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Ancient Tree Forum

Feb 14, 202516 minSeason 2025Ep. 76
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In this episode of Talking Trees, we explore the work and mission of the Ancient Tree Forum (ATF), a UK-based organization dedicated to the protection, management, and conservation of ancient and veteran trees. Established in 1993 by a group of arboricultural experts, the ATF promotes best practices, supports research, and engages with policymakers to ensure the survival of these irreplaceable trees.

We delve into ATF’s strategy for 2022-2027, which focuses on:

  • Diversity and Inclusion – Expanding accessibility and engagement in veteran tree conservation.
  • Research and Best Practices – Supporting scientific studies to improve tree care methodologies.
  • Public Awareness and Advocacy – Educating communities and lobbying for stronger legal protection.
  • Collaborations – Partnering with conservation groups and government bodies to enhance protection efforts.

Ancient and veteran trees are vital for biodiversity, providing habitats for fungi, insects, and birds. This episode highlights how ATF is working to safeguard these ecological treasures for future generations.

Join us as we discuss the significance of ancient trees and how the Ancient Tree Forum is shaping the future of their conservation!

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Roger

Talking Trees with Lillian Jadd , we'll explore ATF's mission , its history and its strategic goals for next years .

We'll also discuss why ancient trees are so vital for biodiversity , carbon storage and as part of our cultural heritage , and how ATF is leading the way in raising awareness , promoting best practices and shaping policies to ensure their survival for generations to come .

Jad

Let's dive in All right , ready to dig into something kind of special .

Lilly

I'm all ears .

Jad

Today we're diving into the Ancient Tree Forum , the ATF .

Lilly

Okay .

Jad

And I think well , as arborists , we all know how important trees are . Right , but the ATF takes it a step further . They're the leading voice for ancient and veteran trees .

Lilly

Yeah .

Jad

Specifically in England and Wales .

Lilly

Interesting .

Jad

These are those living legends that have seen centuries of history , you know .

Lilly

Wow , that's incredible .

Jad

Yeah , and we're going to unpack what makes the ATF so special , how they actually do what they do and why they're such a vital resource , especially for well for professionals like us .

Lilly

You know , when you think about the ATF , what's really fascinating is how it all started .

Jad

Oh .

Lilly

OK , it wasn't some top down initiative , you know like from the government or some university Right , it grew organically from a shared passion , really back in 93 . A group of experts who , well , they were all united by this deep respect for these ancient trees . Yeah , they decided to create a space where they could pool their knowledge .

Jad

Oh .

Lilly

And really advocate for their protection .

Jad

So it wasn't just another boring committee , huh .

Lilly

No , not at all .

Jad

It was people who were really passionate about this .

Lilly

Absolutely Driven by a shared purpose .

Jad

Yeah , and that word forum . Yes , that's a really interesting choice .

Lilly

It is significant . It highlights that collaborative spirit , right Right . It's a space where scientists , arborists like you , historians , conservationists , anyone who loves these trees really they can come together , share what they know and work towards a common goal .

Jad

I love that , yeah , okay , so we've got this group of passionate experts Right , but what are they actually trying to do ? What's their mission ?

Lilly

So , at the heart of it , the ATF wants to protect the future of ancient trees . Okay , and they do this in a few ways . One big thing is promoting best management practices .

Jad

Okay .

Lilly

For caring for these . Well , they're really complex ecosystems .

Jad

Right . You can't just treat them all the same , can you ?

Lilly

Exactly . It's not just about preserving them , but about sustainable care that ensures they can thrive for years to come .

Jad

That makes sense .

Lilly

And they also get that effective conservation needs more than just hands-on care .

Jad

Sure .

Lilly

So they push for stronger legal protections for ancient trees . They work to influence policy .

Jad

So they're not just tree huggers . Oh , no , not at all they're getting into the politics of it too .

Lilly

Absolutely . They're working on it at national and international levels .

Jad

Wow , ok , yeah they're pretty savvy . That's impressive .

Lilly

And they also understand . You know knowledge is power . They encourage and support research that can deepen our understanding of ancient trees and how to protect them .

Jad

Makes sense . The more we know , the better we can protect them .

Lilly

Exactly . The more we know about their biology , their ecology , the threats they face , the better equipped we are to ensure their survival .

Jad

So it's like a three pronged approach yeah , care , advocacy and research .

Lilly

You got it .

Jad

But they also know it's important to involve the wider community , don't they ?

Lilly

Oh , absolutely yeah . They have a bunch of resources and programs aimed at educating and engaging the public .

Jad

Like what .

Lilly

The Ancient Tree Hunt , for instance .

Jad

OK .

Lilly

It's a great initiative . Encourages everyday people to help map and record ancient trees all over the UK .

Jad

Wow .

Lilly

Yeah , it's a fantastic way to get people involved and contribute to this nationwide database .

Jad

That's a brilliant idea .

Lilly

Yeah .

Jad

It really gets people connected to those trees and feeling a sense of responsibility for protecting them . We've talked about their mission , their approach .

Lilly

Yeah .

Jad

But I'm really curious about the people behind it all . The ATF wouldn't be what it curious about the people behind it all . The ATF wouldn't be what it is without the dedication of these people . You're absolutely right , who really put their heart and soul into this work .

And when we talk about the ATF , there's one name that always comes up oh absolutely Ted Green .

Lilly

Ted Green .

Jad

Yeah , I've heard whispers of this . Well , this legendary figure in the arboriculture world , he's more than just a name .

Lilly

He's a force of nature , a true visionary really , who's profoundly shaped the world of ancient tree conservation . His deep knowledge , his unwavering passion and his remarkable ability to connect with people from all walks of life have made him well the driving force behind the ATF's success .

Jad

Because he's not just an expert , he's a leader .

Lilly

Exactly , and an inspiration .

Jad

Before we get into his story .

Lilly

Yeah .

Jad

I'm curious about what the ATF has actually accomplished . Have they had any major wins over the years ?

Lilly

No , they've had an undeniable impact .

Jad

Okay , Tell me more .

Lilly

One early success was their key role in the Veteran Trees Initiative which ran from 96 to 2000 . This was really instrumental in raising the profile of ancient trees .

Jad

Okay .

Lilly

And highlighting just how urgently we need to conserve them .

Jad

So they were putting these ancient trees on the map .

Lilly

Precisely Making people aware of their value and the threats they face . Right , but they realized that raising awareness wasn't enough .

Jad

Makes sense .

Lilly

They needed to equip people with the knowledge and the tools to actually care for these trees .

Jad

So they went beyond just advocating .

Lilly

Exactly , they started providing practical guidance . I think , Played a crucial role in producing a series of guides . Oh On ancient tree management Mm-hmm .

Crucial role in producing a series of guides on ancient tree management publications like Veteran Trees A Guide to Good Management , veteran Trees A Guide to Risk and Responsibility , and Ancient and other veteran trees further guidance on management .

Jad

Wow , that's a lot of guides .

Lilly

Yeah , and these books ? They become essential resources for anyone working with these trees , including arborists like you .

Jad

I bet those guides are a lifesaver for people in the field .

Lilly

Oh , absolutely .

Jad

Having access to that kind of expertise and practical advice . That's going to make a huge difference . It does , but it's not just local impact , right ? No , you're right , atf has a presence on the European stage as well .

Lilly

That's right . They played a leading role in the European-funded VTREE project , which ran from 2012 to 2014 . Right , this project produced some incredibly valuable resources and training courses .

Jad

Oh , wow .

Lilly

That are still widely used across Europe and the UK . That's impressive . Oh wow , that are still widely used across Europe and the UK . That's impressive . It really helped establish the ATF as a leader in ancient tree conservation , not just nationally but internationally .

Jad

That's amazing .

Lilly

Yeah .

Jad

It's really inspiring to see an organization like the ATF making such a global impact .

Lilly

It is .

Jad

But it's also remarkable that so much of this work was achieved through volunteers .

Lilly

That's right . It really speaks to the power of passion and commitment .

Jad

Yeah .

Lilly

For many years , the ATF relied heavily on the contributions of professionals and experts who generously gave their time and expertise .

Jad

That says a lot about the respect the ATF has within the arboriculture community .

Lilly

It does .

Jad

Yeah .

Lilly

And while they've transitioned to having a small staff team to handle the administrative stuff since 2016 , volunteers are still crucial to the organization . Oh wow , they're the heart and soul of the ATF , really bringing their knowledge , their enthusiasm , their dedication to every aspect of the ATF's work .

Jad

It's a beautiful mix of professional structure and passionate expertise , absolutely . Okay , I think it's time we finally delve into the story of the man behind the ATF's vision .

Lilly

Right .

Jad

The one and only Ted Green .

Lilly

Okay .

Jad

What makes him such a legend in the world of ancient trees ?

Lilly

Well , ted Green's journey is just as fascinating as the ancient trees he's dedicated his life to . His story isn't a straight line , it's more of a winding exploration driven by this insatiable curiosity .

Jad

I'm intrigued .

Lilly

You see , ted , he didn't start as a typical academic . His fascination with trees it began in the forests , not lecture halls . Oh wow , he worked as a woodsman , a forester Okay , immersing himself in the practical side of woodland management .

Jad

So he was getting his hands dirty , learning from the trees themselves .

Lilly

Exactly that hands-on experience . It's crucial to understanding these ancient trees .

Jad

Yeah .

Lilly

They're not just specimens in a textbook , they're living things .

Jad

Right .

Lilly

With unique histories and complex needs .

Jad

It sounds like this approach really shaped his entire philosophy .

Lilly

Absolutely . Ted realized that these ancient trees , they hold so much knowledge , not just about the natural world , but about our own history and culture as well Interesting . They've witnessed centuries of change , you know .

Jad

Right .

Lilly

Recording those stories within their very structure .

Jad

So he saw these trees as living libraries .

Lilly

Precisely , and he wanted to share that knowledge with everyone .

Jad

Yeah .

Lilly

He became this passionate advocate for their protection .

Jad

Okay .

Lilly

Recognizing their ecological , cultural and even spiritual significance .

Jad

I see .

Lilly

He saw the need for an organization that could bring together experts from all these different fields to champion these trees , and that's how the ATF was born .

Jad

It's amazing how one person's passion can create something as impactful as the ATF .

Lilly

It really is inspiring .

Jad

But Ted's influence goes beyond the ATF , doesn't it ?

Lilly

Oh , absolutely . He continued to be a driving force in the field even after stepping down from his leadership role at the ATF .

Roger

Wow .

Lilly

He's been an advisor to organizations like the Crown Estate Windsor and he's been instrumental in projects like the NEP Rewilding Project .

Jad

So he's sharing his wisdom and expertise on a much broader scale .

Lilly

He is yeah , and he never stops learning and exploring .

Jad

That's great .

Lilly

He's known for his Thinking , arbs talks and field visits .

Jad

Oh yeah .

Lilly

Where he engages with arborists and other tree care professionals .

Jad

Yeah .

Lilly

Sharing his insights and fostering a deeper understanding of ancient tree management .

Jad

I've heard those talks are legendary .

Lilly

They are pretty special .

Jad

It's incredible that he continues to inspire and educate the next generation of arborists .

Lilly

He's a true mentor to many in the field .

Jad

And his contributions haven't gone unnoticed , have they ?

Lilly

No , they haven't .

Jad

He's received quite a few accolades .

Lilly

He received an MBE for his services to conservation , particularly his work with ancient trees and fungi .

Jad

So he's getting the recognition he deserves for his lifelong dedication to these amazing trees .

Lilly

His legacy goes beyond awards and titles , though .

Jad

Okay .

Lilly

He's instilled a deep appreciation for ancient trees in countless individuals , inspiring them to become stewards of these living monuments .

Jad

It's powerful how one person's passion can truly make a difference .

Lilly

It really is .

Jad

But I'm curious about what the ATF is doing now . How do they put Ted's vision into action ?

Lilly

They have a multifaceted approach .

Jad

Okay .

Lilly

Combining scientific research with practical conservation efforts and public engagement .

Jad

Okay , let's break that down Sure , what kind of research are they involved in ?

Lilly

They support a wide range of research projects that aim to deepen our understanding of ancient trees . This includes studies on their biology , their ecology , their role in the ecosystem and the threats they face .

Jad

So they're investing in the science behind effective conservation , and they don't just keep that knowledge hidden away .

Lilly

Oh no , not at all .

Jad

They share it .

Lilly

They translate it into practical guidance for arborists , land managers , anyone involved in caring for these trees .

Jad

That's so important that bridge between research and real world application .

Lilly

It is crucial .

Jad

They're also involved in pushing for stronger legal protections , aren't they ?

Lilly

They are . They work with policymakers at both the national and international levels .

Jad

To make sure these trees are recognized and protected by law . So they're fighting for the long term survival of these trees .

Lilly

They are and they understand that the best conservation efforts involve collaboration and community engagement . They work with landowners , local communities , organizations like the Woodland Trust to implement conservation projects on the ground , recognizing that protecting ancient trees requires a collective effort .

Jad

And they're always looking for new ways to get the public involved , aren't they ?

Lilly

Absolutely . They offer all sorts of educational programs , workshops , events designed to inspire and educate people about the importance of ancient trees .

Jad

It's all about fostering that connection between people and trees , building that sense of wonder and responsibility .

Lilly

Right , and they recognize the importance of Building that sense of wonder and responsibility . Right , and they recognize the importance of reaching out to the next generation too .

Jad

Yeah , that's crucial .

Lilly

They have programs specifically for schools and youth groups .

Jad

To instill that love and appreciation in young people .

Lilly

Exactly , it's all about planting those seeds early on .

Jad

We need to inspire the next generation to be stewards of these ancient giants .

Lilly

Absolutely .

Jad

And they're always trying to connect with new audiences , right ? They ?

Lilly

are particularly landowners and practitioners like you who play a vital role in the care and management of these trees . They're developing resources and training programs specifically for arborists .

Jad

So they see arborists as key partners .

Lilly

Absolutely . They understand that arborists are on the front lines of ancient tree conservation .

Jad

Makes sense .

Lilly

And they're committed to giving you the knowledge , the tools , the support you need to make a real difference in your work .

Jad

That's fantastic to hear .

Lilly

It's all about empowering the people who have the most direct impact on these trees .

Jad

And they're open to feedback from arborists , aren't they ?

Lilly

Oh , absolutely . They're always seeking feedback from people like you to make sure their resources and programs are relevant and effective .

Jad

It's a great sign Shows they're committed to constant improvement , exactly and staying responsive to the needs of the arboriculture community .

Lilly

They are and they're always looking for new ways to collaborate with arborists , recognizing the wealth of knowledge and experience you all have to share .

Jad

It sounds like they're building a really strong network of professionals .

Lilly

They are .

Jad

Dedicated to caring for and protecting ancient trees .

Lilly

They are , and they're doing it with a deep respect for the legacy of individuals like Ted Green , who really paved the way for this whole movement .

Jad

It's inspiring how his vision continues to guide the ATF .

Lilly

It really is .

Jad

Thank you for joining us on this deep dive into the world of ancient trees .

Lilly

It's been a pleasure .

Jad

And the amazing work of the Ancient Tree Forum . We hope you've gained a deeper appreciation for these living monuments and the vital role they play . We encourage you to keep exploring .

Lilly

Keep learning .

Jad

And keep advocating for the protection of these irreplaceable trees .

Lilly

They need us .

Jad

Until next time .

Lilly

Until next time .

Roger

That's all for today's episode of Talking Trees . We hope you enjoyed learning about the incredible work of the Ancient Tree Forum and the essential role ancient and mature trees play in biodiversity , carbon storage and cultural heritage . If you're inspired by their mission , consider supporting their efforts or implementing some of their best practices in your own work .

Don't forget to subscribe , leave a review and share this episode with others who love trees as much as we do . Until next time , stay rooted and keep advocating for our trees .

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