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Talking Talmud

Yardaena Osband & Anne Gordon
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Bava Batra 169: In the Absence of a Guarantee

A case study of two documents for each party in the context of, for example, the sale of a field -- where two copies increases the risk of fraudulent practices, even though it sounds like a logical plan. Namely, the same business could be done twice, at least plausibly. Also, a story of one who appoints an agent to purchase land - and then the agent does so, but without a guarantee, which was clearly not the intent. So the agent has to fundamentally make up for that -- by providing a guarantee. ...

Dec 11, 202410 minSeason 23Ep. 169

Bava Batra 168: The Selfish Trait of Sodom

When the document to be scribed is a bill of divorce, the husband pays the cost of the scribe -- with a rational for why he does, and also why that responsibility was later given to the wife. Plus, in other pairings for documents that need writing, the determination of which party pays (eg - debtor vs. creditor, seller vs. purchaser, and so on). Plus, the worry about the selfish trait of Sodom... Also, the risk of exchanging partial payment for the document, which can allow for the debt to still...

Dec 10, 202412 minSeason 23Ep. 168

Bava Batra 167: How Far People Go to Commit Fraud

More on the tips and tricks in documents to avoid the possibility of forgery or fraud -- beginning with not leaving too much blank space for someone to sneak additional text into the document. With the example of a toll collector and the attempt to get out of paying the toll. And an example of doctoring a letter in a document as an easy means of stealing property (in a deed). Also, when the two parties involved in the transaction of a document need to be present at the scribe who writes the docu...

Dec 09, 202419 minSeason 23Ep. 167

Bava Batra 166: The Need for Lawyers

If a document has terms such as "silver" or "gold" in it, but without more detailed specification of the amount, the Gemara establishes the bare minimums (including for plural terms, including for currency exchange). Plus, the focus on the language is both precise and imprecise in the effort to draw conclusions. Also, the placement of statements in the lower portion of a document are determinant, so why write anything in the upper portion to begin with? Plus, the possibility of a letter missing ...

Dec 08, 202417 minSeason 23Ep. 166

Bava Batra 165: Terms of Agreements

Rabbi Shimon ben Gamliel prepared documents occurring to the practice of the land - regular or bound/tied - but did he have to? Certainly, the different kinds of documents are available as options. Plus, an agreement for kiddushin, based on a dinar of gold -- that turns out to be silver, with all the ramifications (except it seems to be approved). And the question of how precise people are with their words, when specifying details or conditions of a document. Also, a regular document with one wi...

Dec 07, 202417 minSeason 23Ep. 165

Bava Batra 164: New Ways of Forging: Erasures and Dates

A document with signatures - on erased parchment - is considered valid, though it was erased. One erasure was identifiable, as compared to repeated erasures. Note that witnesses need to attest to the status of the parchment (new/used). Also, the need to date a document with specifics that make it harder to present fraudulent accounting. For example, the reigning ruler at the time of the document being used. Plus, another interpretation of the word used to mean "ruler." Plus, the way they would h...

Dec 06, 202415 minSeason 23Ep. 164

Bava Batra 163: Empty Lines Invite Forgery

A gap of two lines of between the text and the witnesses' signatures invalidates the document - but does it include the air above and below those lines of text? Also, a gap of even one line is a problem if it's between the court's ratification of the document. But why is a gap of one line acceptable between the text and the signatures - better to sign on the line of the text!

Dec 05, 202412 minSeason 23Ep. 163

Bava Batra 162: Empty Space

More on documents and the implications of establishing all kinds of things on the basis of a document's authority. Including an important regulation that the last line of such a document cannot have new information, so nobody can mess with its content to add new details there. Also, what about a line and a half is left blank? When 2 lines and more is invalid and 1 line is valid... does 1.5 lines follow 2 or 1?

Dec 04, 202410 minSeason 23Ep. 162

Bava Batra 161: Room for Fraud

The Gemara raises concerns about the potential for fraud via the document that has been witnessed, if text were added to the document and a new signature were added to confirm it - as if it were all part of the original. And likewise, a practice of signing designed to prevent this kind of effort from working, both in terms of the direction of signing and cutting off the extra room. Plus, what if one signs in his father's name? Or uses a symbol to sign instead of a written name?

Dec 03, 202410 minSeason 23Ep. 161

Bava Batra 160: Securing Your Land for the Babylonian Exile

Chapter 10! A new mishnah - on the way documents are formally signed the details of their contracts within confirmed. With 2 kinds of documents - "regular" and "tied" - the signatures need to be as required for the details of the document itself to be valid. Plus, the need for 2 witnesses vs. 3 witnesses. Also, a discussion (by Jeremiah) of the Babylonian siege of the destruction of Jerusalem (the first time), God promises the return to the land - and the encouragement is buying land with docume...

Dec 02, 202419 minSeason 23Ep. 160

Bava Batra 159: New Parameters in Inheritance Cases

The laws as established in the Land of Israel.... when a son borrows against his father's property, and then the father dies -- a text that is then emended (if a son stole, instead of borrowing, and then the son died, instead of the father, what can the grandson do?). Also, a dilemma that was brought to Rav Sheshet - a son who inherits from his mother and wants to bequeath to his brothers who are not his mother's sons? He answers by way of analogy of a case of one who is taken captive and the im...

Dec 01, 202420 minSeason 23Ep. 159

Bava Batra 158: Collapsing Case Studies

New mishnayot! A case of a house that collapsed on a husband and wife -- apparently, a second marriage, as the heirs of each deliberate which of the two died first. But there's no way to be certain which died first. Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel dispute how to divide their property. Also, a new mishnah: A case of a house that collapsed on a son and a mother -- Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel agree that the estate should be divided (presuming that he's an only son and she's a widow). Plus, the extra ...

Nov 30, 202416 minSeason 23Ep. 158

Bava Batra 157: The Order of Inheritance

The Gemara follows on yesterday's mishnah, explaining the dispute there. Plus, a new mishnah here! On the order of deaths, which determine heirs, of each generation - and the implications for collecting by heirs vs. creditors. With significant implications for a loan, the lien that extends on property, and then the question of whether the creditor can go after the property with the lien. But doesn't that involve future planning - for things under terms that do not yet exist? Which heightens the ...

Nov 29, 202420 minSeason 23Ep. 157

Bava Batra 156: Old Enough to Get Married, But Not to Sell Inheritance

A difficult opening case - checking kids for signs of puberty to b sure they're old enough to get married (and for divorce and chalitzah and a girl refusing marriage). Though why this age needs a formal check for marriage and so on, while the property transfer requires the age of 20... is an open question. Also, 2 mishnayot: Bequeathing via oral declaration, and the consequences of that being a deathbed declaration vs. the statement of a healthy person (where an oral statement doesn't work). Plu...

Nov 28, 202420 minSeason 23Ep. 156

Bava Batra 155: Old Enough for Business Sense

More on the case of a possible minor as the heir who then sells the inheritance property. How old must one be to emerge from the "minor" status in this context? Physical maturity? 13? 18? 20? 35? Also, does a 14-year-old girl know the ins and outs of commercial dealing? If she does, her property transactions are valid. But why is this case about a girl? (Because it happened with regard to a girl). How much vested interest goes into the concerns of whether a sale is valid, beyond the individual's...

Nov 27, 202418 minSeason 23Ep. 155

Bava Batra 154: Sick-bed Giving (Or: Not Every Ill Person Is on His Deathbed)

What happens when it's not clear whether a person was indeed on his deathbed? In the aftermath of determining whether his gift was valid, it becomes a matter of dispute - hinging on whether the rule of the burden of proof being on the one making a claim applies in this case. Plus, what happens when witnesses and a certification document contradict, and the person himself undermines his initial claim? Also, more on the dispute - specifically, the opinions of Rabbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish of the ...

Nov 26, 202420 minSeason 23Ep. 154

Bava Batra 153: Cursing Rava

More on the debate between Rav and Shmuel and the possible kinyan (formal act of acquisition) on the deathbed gift. Which leads to a case of a deathbed will that implies bequeathing property, regardless of whether the person recovers -- or really only in the event that he dies. Plus, why Nehardea follows Shmuel's halakhic decisions, even when they weren't necessarily more accepted or better argued. Also, how a woman came to curse Rava, and in such a way that he couldn't get out of it. Also, a ne...

Nov 25, 202417 minSeason 23Ep. 153

Bava Batra 152: Deathbed Changes to a Deathbed Will

When a person on his deathbed includes a formal act of acquisition in his gift under those circumstances, when that formal act is not required, given that he's on his deathbed, he's strengthening the commitment to the gift. Note that transfer of property via "shtar" - deed or document - only works while the person transferring property is alive. Also, the case of a deathbed will, and then a second one made too - the second will is the final authority. But does that make the first one "revocable"...

Nov 24, 202413 minSeason 23Ep. 152

Bava Batra 151: A Soap Opera Daf

The mother of Rav Zutra bar Tuviah wrote a deed giving her son all of his property, to keep it out of the clutches of Rav Zevid, whom she then married. And then they divorced. And she wants to reclaim the property she deeded to her son. But can she really get it back? Also, when one on his deathbed and bequeaths part of his property -- his gift is similar to that of a healthy person in some ways and like that of one on his deathbed in other ways. The implications, of course, especially pertain t...

Nov 23, 202413 minSeason 23Ep. 151

Bava Batra 150: Some Significance of Movable Property

A focus on the formulation and phrasing of the deathbed scenarios, including what is specified, what is implied, and what is excluded by implication. Plus, vocabulary that includes a slave in the context of movable property. Also, the 5 gifts that have specific halakhot that require written stipulation, perhaps even on the deathbed.

Nov 22, 202414 minSeason 23Ep. 150

Bava Batra 149: A Convert, a Slave, Rava, and a Man on His Deathbed

The case of a person on his deathbed who admits to owing money -- but maybe he doesn't really! Adding the complications -- the case of a non-Jew who converts to Judaism, and fathers a child who is born after the conversion, but whose conception had taken place prior to the conversion. Which may mean that the parenting link is not present from a halakhic consideration. Can he make a gift to one who is not eligible for inheritance? Apparently not. Plus, a case of money left in the possession of Ra...

Nov 21, 202417 minSeason 23Ep. 149

Bava Batra 148: Where's the Miracle? Deathbed Recoveries

Another deathbed case - if one signs away all of his property, without reserving anything for himself in case he would recover, what happens if he seems to be rethinking his decision -- if he then dies? If he recovers? Plus, more on the cases where the person on his deathbed recovers, and the ramifications for the gifts he has made, and so on. What about one who consecrates all his possessions to the Temple on his deathbed? If he recovers, do they revert to him? Also, if he declared all of his p...

Nov 20, 202417 minSeason 23Ep. 148

Bava Batra 147: The Farmer's Talmudic Almanac

When someone makes a gift from his deathbed, no formal act of acquisition is necessary for the gift to be acquired by its recipient. Plus, a discussion of the biblical sources of deathbed gifts - Hezekiah or Achitophel, with Achitophel's 3 points of advice for his children. Also, let's talk about the weather - and its implications for crops, as they follow from the Jewish holidays. Where the smoke from the Temple blowing one direction or another carried with it predictions about the upcoming sea...

Nov 19, 202417 minSeason 23Ep. 147

Bava Batra 146: Gifts to the Bride's Father's House - Temporarily?

A new mishnah! With more on the bridal gifts -- she received gifts after kiddushin, and before nisuin, so they were sent to her father's house, because she hadn't yet been fully married and moved to her husband's house. But then the gifts are not collected in the event that they never reach nisuin. But if the groom eats with the bride's family, the groom gives up his claim on the gifts (even if nisuin doesn't happen). Without that meal with the purported "in-laws," he would still have the claim ...

Nov 18, 202419 minSeason 23Ep. 146

Bava Batra 145: Wedding Presents

What happens to gifts that are given in advance for an upcoming wedding, and then either bride or groom dies? (or perhaps less dramatically, if wedding is called off for other reasons - but the Gemara's case is death). Plus, what about returning bridal gifts - the kiddushin money, for example. Also, on the groom/groomsmen gifts - the reciprocity is presumed for each wedding, but that also depends on the location of the groom in his expected presence at his groomsmen's weddings, for example. Plus...

Nov 17, 202419 minSeason 23Ep. 145

Bava Batra 144: Forced Service to Rome

If one leaves heirs some of whom are minors and some of whom are of age - with various stipulations - what is the halakhah? Plus, if one married a child off in a "wedding house" - the son acquires the house, at least under the right conditions. Also, if one writes his estate over to his wife, she is then an administrator of the estate - with other halakhot which are each established according to the tradition. Also, a new mishnah - brothers who are partners in business, and then they are "called...

Nov 16, 202418 minSeason 23Ep. 144

Bava Batra 143: The Donkey and the Five Women

When one doesn't respond to a stipulation of inheritance that would go to a person and a donkey... To understand this case, a somewhat parallel case is introduced of five women, two of whom were sisters, who were to be betrothed with a basket of figs - and those two sisters cannot be betrothed in this way, because, as sisters, they cannot be betrothed to the same person. But are the other three betrothed, and if so, why? (Which is then lined up with the donkey in the first case). Plus, the case ...

Nov 15, 202415 minSeason 23Ep. 143

Bava Batra 142: The Fetus Does Not Inherit

More on the powers of acquisition (or lack thereof) of a fetus. What is the timing of a person trying to bequeath property to a fetus, when that person than dies? And most importantly, what changes once the baby is born and is only one day old? Also, given the conclusion that a fetus cannot inherit, the Gemara's focus shifts to the nature of the dispute and the hierarchy of the sages responding (including pinning authority to age-order, at least briefly).

Nov 14, 202416 minSeason 23Ep. 142

Bava Batra 141: It's Surely Worse to Be a Woman, But Go Support Your Daughters

When a man commits to giving an unborn child a set amount of money - regardless of the gender of the child, which apparently makes a difference in terms of the amount given - what is the halakhah? If a girl is supposed to get double the amount than the son, is she more valued than he would be? But the Gemara indicates that one who fathers only daughters is not in God's good graces. At the end of the day, providing for one's daughters in inheritance is upheld before one provides for one's sons. A...

Nov 13, 202419 minSeason 23Ep. 141

Bava Batra 140: Those Poor Disadvantaged Males

A new chapter! Chapter 9 -- with a mishnah from the previous daf (as the beginning of the chapter) and a second mishnah on this daf as well. Firstly, the case of a man who dies and leaves both sons and daughters -- depending on the size of the estate, either the sons or the daughters take priority in terms of getting that inheritance. [Who's Who: Admon]. Secondly, the case of a man dies and leaves behind sons and daughters and a "tumtum." The value of the estate matters in this case too, but the...

Nov 12, 202416 minSeason 23Ep. 140
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