The Letter (S03E20)

Enjoin the game. I think you better take off the Orioles cap. Yeah, I better. No, no, no, seriously, you're in the owner's box. I don't think it's a good idea. You're not serious. Yes, yes, yes, I am. Didn't he say that? No, no, but he gave me the seats, and I don't think he'd like it if you wore an Orioles. Yeah, well maybe you should ask. I don't have to ask him. Now, you're gonna take the hat off or not? Oh, I'm not gonna take it off. Why should

I take it off? That's ridiculous. Let's just take the cap off? What George? I am at a baseball game? This is a marriage. Look, look, either you take the cap off or you leave. Well, I don't care. I'm not taking it off. Just take Oh I might get your hands off of me. I'm leaving. Wait a minute. We look, we just got here. Do you want us to go with your cap? George? Yeah? Day? All right, all right,

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it's talking Seinfeldt at gmail dot com. We'd love to hear from each and every single one of you. But mister Davis, how's your week been. It's been eventful, one might say, in good ways and bad. I'm still just enjoying the aftermath of last week's anniversary with the love of Louise Yes, and then Valentine's Day was like a week later on. I didn't

really do anything for it. You know. We although, in my defense, Lou and I said good morning to one another, and then middle of the way through the day, she said, oh, way be Valentine's Day's Valentine's daw, I forgot about it. Boy. You know you're in the right relationship or in a good relationship when Valentine's Day doesn't matter, because every day should be Valentine's Day. That is correct. But having said that, I was sort of a bit paranoid last night. I'm like, should I

have done the traditional Valentine's Day stuff? Should I mean, I'm gonna, I'm saying, of course, Luke tonight, So I mean, I'll probably take over some flowers and all that kind of business, just to say for you because I care. But you're getting those after Valentine's Day half price discounts, Mamma Davis didn't raise no dubh. Yeah, there's that as well. There's something our special today about today, mister Davis, what is it?

I have to say happy anniversary to my wife Nicola lyon recording this on February fifteenth, two thousand, or twenty twenty three, because you say twenty twenty three every fifteenth ten year wedding anniversary. Yes, he made it. That was me clapping my hands. By the way, it feels like the first milestone has been reached. You know, ten is a big deal, and congratulations you made it. I mean they everyone talks about, you know,

the seven year itch and all that kind of nonsense. I don't know how much stock you're having that, but ten years it's a good round number. It shows you're in for the long haul. Congratulations. The seven year itch was fine. It just got a bunch of cream, just you know, coming up those spots. No, no, no, indeed, I was literally he said to Nikola this morning. I was just looking at it and I was just like, actually, and this is not me bullshitting. I

find it more attractive now than when the day I met it. And that's just what happens when you're in a good, good relationship with a good marriage. I'm sure you're the same with the love of Luise. That is correct, sir man. You know who's not necessarily good partner, Nina. We're here to talk about the letter, right, very jealous of Elaine. I mean, I get the jealousy. It is a kind of a weird situation where it's not just that their friends. Elaine's always over. Yeah, that

would kind of be this like, really is that really normal? But I can but she just seemed very paranoid Nina. She did indeed something I noticed from well first thing, and I was like, Hey, that's actor Katherine Keena, who I quite likely have been a bunch of a bunch of good movies, a bunch of good shows, are very very good actor. I first saw her in the forty year Old Virgin. I reckon forty year Old Virgin being John Malkovich. I'm not gonna look out by m dB. You

can do that, but she's not. She's the wife and get out she is. Yes, she's very good and get out. You know who I always getting confused with. I always getting confused with the mother from Step Brothers, cal Mary Steen Virgin, because she's like an older version of this actress. But they kind of similar. They've got a similar Lukie, right, and you know who else? She's a bit similar to Julie Louis. Yeah, to an extent, That's what I thought when I first saw a lankier

version of her a little bit. But when I say, hey, that's Catherine keenan and then looking at the way she's sort of styled in this episode. Maybe it's an early nineties thing or what it's like. She looks a bit a Lanish jildish. What's going on here? I like it a pledged Springfield, But I was wondering if if they actually styled her in that fashion, if they cast her because of that. But you know, it's interesting, But you're right, not a good partner. But Jerry also not necessarily

a good partner. It's very Jerry this story in the sense that he's in a relationship where he's openly saying, yeah, it's not gonna last long. Yeah, that's just about sums up Jerry. Though he's just he's very he's against commitment. But have you ever been in a relationship like that though you're sort of you're in one, and you've been maybe in it for a few weeks or even a couple of months, and you realize, I don't think

there's got staying power. Yeah, but it's but it hasn't reached that sort of critical mass stage where it's like, nothing bad enough has happened for me to say we want to pull a pin on it. But but there's nothing there that's enticing or exciting you to come back. Yeah. Yeah, it's not necessarily going to explode. It's more going to implode. You know, I'm just going to run out of the ties, are just going to run

out of air. I didn't think that they were both sort of almost made for each other to an extent, but but yeah, what I did like about the Nina story though, was the George angle. I thought George was very relatable in this, the whole I'm not I're going to buy anything, right, That's how I would be able to I'm coming. I'll come and say hello. Ain't buying ship though, because I don't get art. Me

personally, I don't get art. And as we're discussing our latest guests, we record a couple of nights ago, our review of Brushed with Greatness from season two of The Simpsons with David B. Cooper, a Simpsons artist, and he was saying that art is, you know, ten percent, your idea, nine percent, the person buying the art telling you, telling you what it means, and you're just sort of nodding here, You're absolutely right,

that's one hundercent one. I meant, great episode, and well, great episode of the Simpsons, great episode of four fingered discount, great guest So yeah, ball means get on that listeners. Yes all the way from season two of The Simpsons is always great going back and reviewing those early episodes. One with Ringo star Hung It on Me Wall Gear episode Yeah, Yes,

I'm not gonna lie. I thought Michael Richards in the first act of this episode was super creepy, like when he was asking Joey's girlfriend taco clothes off. Huh. I mean, I know you're kind of kidding, but are you my exact note Cram, are you inappropriate flirt? Because yeah, I mean one gets the feeling that, yes, he certainly is joking, but it's that joke where it's like, but if you did just just casting the road, so seeing I as any nibbles about me, that's a really

good way of putting it. But yeah, I just thought Besides that, though, I thought Michael Richards was very funny, but it was just purely there sort of for the physical comedy really, and this one wasn't. He isn't really have much of it besides the paint obviously, but Michael Richard himself wasn't really adding much to the story. He was just sort of He was there a lot, but he wasn't necessarily and he was vital I guess to it in some way. Oh no, I actually, no, he wasn't.

He was there the baseball one. He wasn't necessarily vital, but he was there for the comedy. I think. I mean that George had some funny lines, but yeah, Cramer was just sort of. No. Maybe it's just because even Kramer being the subject of the painting, that's not necessarily important. The painting could have been anything. That's true. Yeah, but

you know that. And it feels like the stuff that they did around the painting, particularly with the old couple who were sort of looking at it and having their various opinions about it, and then so taken with the Cramer that they spoiler for the end I have him over for dinner. That that wasn't it didn't have to be crame and that wasn't necessarily the case. I mean,

it was good that it was. He made a meal of it, But I get the feeling there was maybe not a lot for Michael Richester work with here, so he really hammed it up, slash amped it up to Yeah, but they when you've got a gifted physical comedian like that, you might will just let him let him off the chain a bit. What do you think about the other baseball angle that apparently really happened to Larry David.

Howard Weston, executive from NBC got Harlowe David some tickets too a out to a baseball game and his friend was asked to take off the Yankees cap andhen he thought it was absolutely ridiculous, So he worked into this story. Even though the episode is called The Letter, that's that's almost a big I guess it's kind of even even footing with them with the letter story, but I feel like that was a big part of this episode, the baseball story. I am on team Elaine here, like, fuck off, you can just

leave your hat on, that doesn't matter. I guess she's in the owner's box. But for example, if we go to an AFL game, he's showing us football. You can go anywhere. If you're on the opposition jump of people just like ah, if you do it, you just got to expect to cop something in return. In regards, it's sort of like tongue in cheek banter back and forth, but no one's going to be actually angry

at you. Forgive me, I'm being a bit ignorant here, but is Baltimore actually playing in that game that they go to or is a lane just sort of rubbed any camp? I don't think, so I will double check, but I'm pretty sure they're not. Yeah, So I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I think if you're a half like decent birthday, if someone rocks up with a cap or a scarf or a jumper or whatever,

that's not your team of choice. And even if they're in you know, the cool box or the cool seats or whatever, it's just like just roll with it, well, you know, just poke, have a little bit of fun at their expense. Like really, okay, fine, but yeah, don't be that much of a tool about it. So, yes, I'm I'm I'm team Alane, as I am in many things. And like George, though, do you want me to come as well? No? Stay fine. I have never never emphasize, empathized more with George than

I have at that moment. Have you ever been in situations like that where you know you may see any three out of the nightclub. It's like we just got in, mate, mate, and it does go through your mind like, he'll be RIGHTIO get home. Just check at the cab we find I'm staying, mate, I'm staying. Yeah, it's worse if it's your partner. If it's your partner, then you've got to go, even if you don't agree, even if you know your partner's fucked up. It was

like solidarity. Not that not that Nicholas ever been thrown out of anywhere, but you know that is a good one still. So what were your favorite moments of the letter, mister Davis? Um, Now, I should be a bit more prepared when I do this podcast. I've got pages and pages and pages, by which I mean two pages of notes about this episode. But I didn't look up the names of the actors playing the sort of older couple who are debating the merits of the cramer and then decide to buy it.

But I think they do a very good jobs. As I mentioned earlier, I just I like there to and fro they both realize they've got some nice, meaty lines to sink their teeth into and can really sort of make a mean of So yeah, I think they did a very good job with that. Something else I enjoyed. It's a little dig at Nina actually buy your dad, who I think realizes that his daughter's probably a bit of a

flippity gibbet. You know, she's doing her art and all that kind of stuff, and he's obviously living off that his money he's bankrolling, and he's saying it was cheaper for me when she was an actress. I don't know, I've I think I've got kind of a soft spot slash. Yeah, I've got mixed feelings about people like that. It's like, you know, it would be nice to have a patron even to even I is your wealthy parents. But at the same time, I know some people like that.

What's that American saying you're born on third base and you feel like you've hit a home run or something. Well, it's kind of how I feel right now. I'm just like Nicolas bringing home the bacon right now. She's working at the full time job. I'm doing this this podcast thing. It would be nice if we had more supporters, but we paying the bills. But yeah, that's just there's just not enough for you. Extra tirees on a Thursday night, like they used to be extra tied inners on a Thursday night.

It used to be because like build down, I can't buy anymore neckties. I'm running out of my fancy neck is my Thursday night ties. Come on Bedron's chip in Dan don't need a cravat. No, no, I know what you mean, but we want to buy the extra mic from for Nicholas. Don't have to keep borrowing the mic from your place back. That's one of the things we do here on the on the network where I'm backing forth from guys as Brian mics. We'd love to buy a better equipment and

have better cameras and just better shit. So we're not all buying like fancy neckwear here. No, we're investing in the four fingered discount infrastructure. And if you like, you've got a listening Yeah, we would appreciate if you did want to hear support the show. Yes, we would appreciate you. Do you want to support its it? Literally a dollar a month would all go a long way if you'll did that. But anyway, enough about complaining.

But yes, I enjoyed that as well. I enjoyed cramers are taunting at the baseball I'm like football, there's nothing wrong with just when you when you're at the game, you just you just yell shit out. Don't take it two shis. Don't be racist, obviously, but you don't mean what you're saying to the player. If you see them in the street, you're gonna be nice. If you don't actually hate them. It's just for that two hours you know they're they're the enemy, and you just shot up.

You don't mean it. Yeah, or even your own team. You can get a little vocal about Bronx cheers. Yeah, yeah, I mean, oh you finally got a touch, buddy, Yeah, you get on your mate. I have startled certain people that i've you know, watched football matches with me because I don't think I'm self spoken and warm heart and all that

kind of stuff. And then Tom Hawkins will be lining up for a goal and it's like, oh my god, Tom, don't think just kick Tom, come on, yeah, don't ever think this, mate, he's ever thinking it. Look at him, Look look at him, look at him over thinking it? What you doing with what's you doing your big Frankenstein monster looking motherfucker? And then when you know, he gets one on the run and sort of does it from in paste. Oh you handsome statuesque Cam's were

there's God, you fucking legend. Why can you do that all the time? Yeah, but I mean I think I think the first time I watched you know, the footy with lou, like you become a slightly different person. Yeah, that was the thing. Nicholas said. I'm glad that when you first brought me over to your house to meet your parents. It was like, you know, two weeks into the relationship, and I just knew. Nichola was like the one and Geelong were playing Collywood that night, and

at the time, Gelong and Collywood were heated rivals. And she's like, I'm glad I went there that night because you guys, like your family become a different family, but I got to see the real family because She's just like it. No, it wasn't just a nice dinner, nice to meet you, blah blah. I was just like, no, you guys were just like screaming at the TV fair or footy fans. But she liked that.

She's like, Okay, these guys are comfortable being themselves around me and she has it worked so and from that night on because Geelong beat I remember, beat Collywood by like less than the goal. From that day on, she was a football fan. Oh god, imagine a Collingwood and one different story and Nicholas like, I think I like Collywood better. I'll be like goodbye and a farewell. I also really enjoyed. Before we get into add trivia, George just not wanting to buy the art just and the crameras like

you're gonna buy something, and Joe's you can have a look around. It's like, oh, fuck me, you got because I completely agree. I just don't understand art at all. I'm not what you'd call an art connoisseur, but I know what it's that old saying, I know what I like, and I don't hate this. You know, you'll find bits and pieces around around my house, and not necessarily art art, more like pop artum.

But there are times when I sort of looking home. Yeah, I think I definitely have a thing that I like or a style that I like. I like artists interpretations, or like movie posters and things like that, or like that's drawing their own posters of something I've seen from a movie or things like that. I've got several of those, like a Gremlin's one and et one and jews one. Got some Simpsons ones as well, which I need to get framed. It's one of those things. I'm gonna get these

framed because like, do you need all these art prints? And I need them framed. But it just costs money, it really does. Framing. Framing costs a bomb. But I interrupt you before, what are you going to say, mister Davis? No, No, I was gonna say that George is very George here in the yeah, sort of being peer pressured into I guess buying out or certainly showing that he's interested. Mind you could you could just say, look, it's really nice, but I'm just a bit

kind of I clearly can't afford this stuff, you know. And you it's very easy to sort of pay them comp saying well this is clearly out of my prize range. Um, they go, oh, thank you so mad, and you say, yeah, I'm not paying money for your damn ard. So how do when you go out when you great with your mates who you know, you know, and they know they own more than you, and they're talking about like the new Lettuce golf clubs are going buying whatever,

they will buy this, We'll get this champagne. It's like, motherfucker's no, I can't afford this, but you know it's worse when they go, I don't worry, we'll pay for it. I'm like, that's even worse not watching charity just they suggest it in the first place. You know, just go get a beer. Could you spell that? Please? No? Next question? All right, it's time for some trivia here. I'm talking Seinfeld for the letter. Before then, though, I've got some names to

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So let's welcome a few more into the phone, come join us, to join us as a full thing. It just game patron, just for a single dollary, dude. All right, So, mister Davis, what's your first question for the letter? I don't have that many. But during the Jerry's first bit of stand up, he talks about art gallery security guards. He says, give me that what painting? Oh no, no, says says Ramber. At the end, what does he what does he say?

The other artist is Seazar? Give me that season that's the one. Yes, I liked the stand up and this I thought it was really good. We only had top and tail though, none of them we did. Yeah, yeah, but they It suited the episode though. But my first question is what page of the sports section? Were they on? Page two? Correct? Done? Yeah? Um? Now that the thing that we've already sort of talked about a few of the things that were my trivia questions,

like you know what team is Baltimore? What is the name of the Baltimore Cioles. Yeah, so that's a fairly simple one, okay. And also you know where were they seated? Yankee States second row from behind the dog out. Yeah, that was great, that wasn't it. It's like I wanted the first row plans my feet up in the dug out. You can't get better sets and it's by bad by bad George endercartment. But just yeah, like just complaining the second row it's not as good as front row.

No, but the fact that his second row is still complaining about it. George, come on, all right, m yeah, that were my There were some questions which I knew you'd get, but yeah, you give me one. Okay. My two last questions will be where was Litman going to? What was his trip? Oh? Yeah, because it's Texas. It's in Texas. You go to Houston, Houston for a publisher's convention. Yeah, that's correct. And my final question is whereas Elane from Elaine is from

Baltimore near Baltimore. Oh, it's actually Tawson, which is near Baltimore. Says the same things, the saying, oh yeah, yeah, you're good, You're good. I did have one more question for you, all right, hit me ye, what are the incorrect names that Kramer gives both Elaine and George. Mike is one of them and Carroll is the other. Wow, that is great, Which that doesn't even really go anywhere in the end. Not really, No, it's just a little throwaway. That is trivia

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episode kicks off with some stand up about the museum guard. It's kind of how how I feel about the shopping more guards as well. I'm like, you feel like you're a cop. You're not really a cop, but you know, I don't know, do we get to do the payer bills? Man? True, but even getting in the being the focus of the mall security guard's attention, even if they've got no real power or cloud or even if they some there's some old dude that you could probably get away from without

breaking a sweat. Stilled that, you know, authority, you've got to respect that authorit hart but true. Also, I feel like they're more unpredictable than the police. True, they might have been drummed out of the police force for being like a loose cannon or something. But you look at me, like, this guy hasn't gone through ten years of vigorous police training.

This is just the doodage sign of security company and he's just, you know, standing at the fucking game at Kmart, unpredictable, not here to serve and protect, is here to guar the snickers. There was one of them that got really angry once because Elliott was I was about a month ago.

He walked in with this toy into Kmart and you know, he's this old guy and as we're walking out, he's just like, oh, you got a receipt for that toy, so I know we walked in with it, and he goes, ah, he sure, I said yes, and that's my toy. It's like, Alliot, don't yell at the man. I don't know what he's gonna do. That's like, it's my toy. And then he's like, okay, it gets me his little walkie talkie. Yeah,

I've got a gentleman at the front. Here. He says, he walked in with this, with this toys want to make sure that it's it's all covered or paid for. Girls like, well, have you walked in with it? How would I know? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. You said you definitely walked in with it, So I'm like, yes, I walked straight past you with it. Yeah, no worries, I've got this covered. I'm like, fuck off, mate, you do. You've haven't got shit

covered? Now you've got this covered, no worries. Funny, but he's it's not enough to earn your money. Sometimes you got to feel like you are ruining your money. You wanted to feel like a big man, But Aliot's just like, it's fucking my toy. Mate, you back up, you come near my little gu jitsu. But Kramer here, he's getting painted by Nina, keeps moving his face and I'd be a horrible um what's the word, I guess Subjay subjects yes, yes, because I'm constantly fishing.

I can't. I can't still fishting my feet, my toes like my hands like Nicola's horrible. Nicola cannot keep her feet still. We're watching TV. Her toes are constantly wriggling. It's like it's a no CD thing for her. She can't keep still. It's weird. But you know, he asked her to take her clothes off, or he says, you want me to take my clothes off? I can do it. She says no, it takes her to take hers off. And I was just like, I'm a

little creepy. But as we're saying earlier, he's joking, But you want to, yes, Cramer, would you hold still? I can't do this if you keep moving. Are you sure you don't want me to take my clothes off? I'll do it. No, that's the last thing in the world I want you to do. Well, why don't you take your clothes? I don't know. I don't think Jerry would like that. Well, it'll be our little secret without the apartment. And George is complaining about the

button fly. I don't think I have any pants button flies anymore. I think I've got a couple of pairs of Levi's five O ones that I've got the button fly, and that was a very back in the dawn of time. Um yeah, there was a stage when five O ones were really who It's like, are you still doing your your fly up? Still done up a zipp? I want your button them up like a cool dude. I'm

like, I'd better get in on this action. So yeah, I think I've got I think I might have like one or two pairs of believe it's five O ones that I've got the button fly, but otherwise now it's zips all the way. I don't mind the sharp interlocking metal teeth. Being my winer doesn't matter. You've got to I think you'd have to be first of all, commandoing and secondly pretty bloody careless to you know, get the old chap caught in the caught in the zipper due the Ben Stiller. Yeah,

I think I've done that exactly. I don't think I've actually got a court, but I certainly had it. I've got a hag it caught once and it's like, oh that's not pleasant that, yeah, that's very unpleasant. Yes, but I remember after that's something about Mary came out for a while that came out. I was every time. I was just so conscious. I'm like, pull it away first and then zip it up slowly. Get that layer of protection provided by boxer shorts or your or your trunks or whatever

the Yeah. Joe then asks George you want to come to Nina's studio. He says, you know, he doesn't want to because you know, he doesn't get art, doesn't want to be sucking to buy anything. Yeah. I completely agree with what he's saying. Yeah. And then he says, oh, she's painting Kramer. She sees something in him sort to wive,

I wouldn't hang it on a wall. We're now at back at the studio and Kramer is pointing out that he's got no rich Columbian coffee brown eyes, and this is where Nina questions him about Elaine, and I agree with her to an extent. It is weird. I mean it, we're so used to it because we watched this show and we find it funny and we love

these characters. But it is a weird kind of setup. You can be friends with you, I mean, if your ex wife was constantly staying at your place and can't be able to visit you even when Louise wasn't there. I can imagine Louise would be annoyed by that. Oh yeah, at least be going really like, what what are you sure? Like, what are you sure nothing's going on here? You'd have to be questioning that. Oh

yeah, I think so. Like I said, I'm very fortunate that I've got, you know, a very good, you know, friendship with Libby. But you know, there's also a couple of thousand kilometers between us. Yeah, but yeah, we talk on the phone, sire regularly and all that kind of stuff. But I mean, if we were constantly in and out of each other's houses and all that kind of business, she was popping by, popping in, yeah, oh yeah, pop might announced or what

everything. I think your current partner good would be justifying, going, what's all this about? It's a man raid. And that's why I sort of thought Jerry here him not understanding that. I'm just like, yeah, you need to really put yourself in her shoes. Oh buddy, If her ex boyphen was coming up to the student just hanging out all the time, you would be bothered by it. Tell you, I'm a little nervous, why, you know, the friend meeting the new woman. I feel like I'm

getting fixed up for a friendship. I don't know how long this is gonna last. Really, yeah, I thought you lark. I do. She's got like a jealousy thing. I mean, she doesn't like me having fun with anyone but her. You know, it's a miracle you're not married. Hey, I'm not obligated to buy anything, am I? I mean this is my friend George. Hello, nice to meet you. I've heard a lot about you. Look at this guy. I brought George up to see some of your paintings. Oh are you interested? Yeah? Sure, sure,

I'm interested. You're going to buy a painting? Yeah? Sure? Are you an art lover? I am an art adra? You, Dora, I'm an art adra. It's like, why are you digging the hole deeper? Mate? Yeah, it's very George digging himself a deeper and deep behold. Yeah, but I guess you didn't want to offend her by saying I'm not interested in art. When you're around an artist, you almost feel like you have to give up the give the impression. Then Oh, yes,

I'm into this. I I'm completely understand the art, the art scene. I don't know. I think I'd be inclined to say, oh, I wish I knew more about it art. You know of course that you know it can lead to a trap of well let me educate you like that was not meant to be an invitation. That was meant to be a career. I mean a conversation. Stop it. She tells him to go look

for something that he likes. Jerry then pretends to paint all over the Cramer and then she gives him the four Yankee tickets to the owner's box behind the dug out or he can't do it because he's gonna be away like Cramer. You want them? Yes, it's just straight away, Yes, I want these. George can't believe it either, says that her dad is the accountant and yeah, and then he's holding it painting all you like that one.

Apologies own listeners that you may have heard a little cleft clatter clutter um. That was basically Cat back again. That was basically Cat jumping up on the desk wanting to hog the mic. So get out of here, pal, Sorry about that, folks. So at the baseball now, I really love George's enthusiasm. Look is where we are. He's not stopping. He just keeps going and going and going. We're not in the first roll. I don't know. These are your feet, she said, first roll right behind

the dog. Go wow, it's a second rows. It was all prine for the first roll. I was gonna put my feet on the dog. Shut up, he's you can't get any better than that. Well, there's better right there. That's better. Right. There's something about eating the food from the stand. It always taste better. It gets your sort of into the mood. You want to get to the footy. You want a pie,

you want a beer? Yeah, well, particularly when you got to Continua Park and well, you know, either footy or a concert or whatever, kransky usually get a Kranski. Okay, you love your Kranski, don't I do love a good Kransky. Cran's gonna be it um, you know, and you're paying like an obscene five percent markup or something like that,

but it's worth it. I remember we went to the Young Footy when it was like pie day would have been last year, I guess, and all pies are only you two dollars, and I was like, sign me the fucking One of the best things about being my father's son was occasionally we get to go up to the members booth or what are the big members were second

road behind the bench essentially. Yeah, that the local football stadium's version of that, and you know it would be a little bit fancy, and but three quarter a time would come the platters of party pies and party sausag drawers and you could have as many as you wanted. It would was so delightful. Yeah, man, I'm so jealous. That's awesome. Of course you could just go to the market get his own life box of four and twenties probably cost you less than a tire dinner. And I've just sat him up.

It must be of Nikola. We went to Ratley Is the local bakery, and I wasn't different with different one down here on Thompson Road and Nicholas wanted to get some party pies for Holly and Elliott. And Nicholas like how much the party piers now? Like two dollars ten and Nicholas just slamed her hand on the desk. You're joking. I was like, Nicola, two dollars for a party pie? Two dollars ten each for a party pie. Nicolas like, you're joking You've made an Australian. Yes. I was like,

I've never been more proud of it. The little girls by the canter was just like yes, and then we ended up getting a couple. But yeah, he said he'd paid like ten bucks. He's like a box of thirty six. But yeah, as we're saying Cramer Arris with the food, Elaine mentions that she's skipping the brists Sloman's Brist that she invited um that he invited her too. What a great day I could have been in my boss

his son's breast rate. You were supposed to go to back. Yeah, what makes him think anyone wants to witness a circumcision to go to our hanging? Is it that unattract is they have to take it off? Have you over seen one whip it? We wouldn't even know what it was. Anyway, I called him back. I told him I had to go visit my father in the hospital in Maryland. You gotta catch your head because just say Philadelphia. I just thought that was so awesome, just the yelling and then

everyone around him just being like just accepting of it. And that's the kind of crowd you want, because sometimes I go to the football here, the Australian football showing your football, and I yelled something out and look there's people around us that just go I'm like, I tell her to shush. But the football. They sit there with their little earbuds in listening to the radio commentary of the game. They're watching, like you're there's the game there,

Brian Taylor is not going to take you that much more about it. And there's one old guy has a little earbuds. He's like, there's three minutes left, and I'm like, I'm aware of this, mate. The clocks on the big screen. You need to tell us anymore. We realized that your eyesight's not that great, sir, but yes, they're big clocks. There's three minutes. Yeah, And this is where her dad arrives, and his dad arrives and everyone's all happy to meet him, and blah blah blah.

And he mentions that George mentioned he's getting the painting frame, and we get the as you're discussing earlier ship when she was an actress. Then he tells the land to take off the Orioles cap and she is just refusing. This is America. I immediately thought of Randy Marsh but he goes from zero

to sixty very quickly in the whole take that cap off. Yeah, just sort of maybe makes his suggestions like it's a there's a thing though, and that this is one don't like going to like the social club at the AFL and things like that, because it's just it feels very much keeping up appearances. I'm like, you guys are no better than me. You're at the fucking footy. You're in this box with your jacket on, your scarf, and like I remember I got invited to the social club a couple of times,

and you know, the window was open. I like yelled out and they're like the woman's like, we don't yell out in here, And I'm like, Jesus Christ, you're at the football. You watch you got on TV. You're there, Why are you watching on the TV. Anyway, I prefer to be with the people. I'm a man of the people. You are, indeed a man of the people. I'm a cramer. I am not need his dad, That's that's for sure. But as you're saying, he he goes from zero to one hundred. It's definitely not not happy

at all, but it's very much keeping up appearances. The boss got me this year, and you can't wear that cap. She refuses, so she gets thrown out. George tries taking the cap off her as well, so she throws his cap away and that's what leads to Kramer going to get it and he gets hit in the head with the baseball with out of the apartment, and Elane's telling Jerry the Cramer story and Jerry just thinks it's insane. He can't believe it that he was telling her to take the cap off.

And then Kramer arrives with the bandage on his head and he says, Hi, Carrol, and he shows him the newspaper. You guys made the paper. We made the paper, he says in that Elans just can't believe it. She's like, oh shit, now Litman's going to know that I was that I was likely. He's a big sports nut. And now she's in his office and she sees the sports section on his desk and he questions her how's her father, and she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, the

father, Yeah, yeah, you know, he had various things. What didn't he have a new writers yes? Yeah, and she gets she mispronounces boyd. I thought she pronounced it correctly in all honesty. I mean, I've I've always said Boyd. Maybe it's different in America, like he says booie buoyed, But um, I always said Boyd. Our American friends, God bless him. We love him for a lot of reasons. But they're responsible for so many good things. But they say things like aluminum and Caribbean

caramel and carmel and Craig like it's Craig. Yeah, Craig played James Bond, not Daniel Ring. I listen, Joe, Judy, I've got on Craigslist and what the fuck is Nicola Google Craigslist car e k r E doubleg Craigslist. Um, Craig, it sounds like it sounds like one of he Man's ad the series. I love a good JLD fake laugh when she's trying to distract him what she's hiding the newspaper. I think she's just fantastic at that fake laugh. And he he asked for it back. That was the

third time I've done it today. Just clinging onto the newspaper, he saise he wants to read the sports section on the plane on his way to the auge of the convention. We then get the old couple admiring the Cramer painting. It feels melodramatic and over the top, but you can kind of see an old couple to standing in a museum saying this carn't ye oh absolutely again, I thought that you're saying that you looked him up? Did you? Did you say you looked up their names? Have they been in anything else?

He's this couple? They are not on Wikipedia. Okay, they'll probably be in the credits, but I just thought that the woman in the in the couple really did a great job. Just love it. Meanwhile, by the way whist they're admiring it, we have Jerry and Nina arguing and debating over whether she should have taken the cap off or not, and he's sticking with the lane, which she gets jealous by, and then he says, well, maybe we should just end this now before it gets out of hand.

She said, well, you're you'd like to remain friends, well friends with the people I'm friends with, and I'm just like a bit of a dick Jerry sometimes. But still it's a line you'd like to kind of say, or that's something you'd like to be able to get away with it when you're exiting a relationship you feel has gone a bit toxic. If they deserve it, If they deserve it, certain yeah, Jerry's Joe's just any it. So they do, and then she says she gives me the painting and

says, I tell George you owed me five hundred bucks. George, immediately I'm not paying this fire bucks. Why'd you take it for I wasn't thinking, oh, you weren't thinking, well, I'm not paying and I'd be exactly the same. It's but just quickly lines we'll paid five unte of dollars for this. Not happenings when you when you get art like that, that's

very um like that. Literally Aliot could draw it abstract. Yeah, it's like people are paying seven eight figures for a rothco that's yeah, basically just a big thing of red, big splider red. But to me, I've always seen abstract as so he just winged it, eh, no planing process. You just went for it. As we said when we were talking to our pal dB Cooper that's David B. Cooper. Art is well, I come up with the ratio that it's fifty percent actually doing the work fifty percent.

This is what this means yea. And if it's about just squiggly lines, you say, well, it means such and such. Oh my god, it really does. I can really see that. Oh my god, this is amazing. You can't believe this. Listen to this. I don't know what you expect to find out there, Jerry, you know what you want better than me. But there's one thing I do know. I know.

I can stand here watching you try to destroy everything I've ever wanted in my life, wanting to smash your face with my fists because you won't even make the slightest effort to op for happiness and still know that I love you. You mean so much to me that I'm willing to all your abuse and insults and insensitivity. She's step because that's what you need to do to prove I'm not going to leave you. I'm sick and tired of running from places

and people of relationships. You want me, then fight for you, because because I'm sure it's how fighting for you, I think we're both You know, Jerry, sound like a poet. Boy. No one's ever written me a letter like this. Maybe I was wrong about it. Get up, get in there and give her a call, pick up the phone and call her. Should I Yes, you're damn right, you should fight for Jerry's should how fighting for your whole life? I'll call her Chapter two good feel.

I don't think I've ever saying, or if I did, I saw it when I was a young man, because I think it's from me the late seventies, the early eighties. But it does star around man the late great James carn Um, Missus Kay's Missus Kay's date. Yes, so people do say, some people like to like a challenge me, Jimmy rest in please. So we get um, Yes, we get the letter and and and Jerry reads it out and I crame of blowing his nose over it and then just wiping it. But again, even that scene, this thing kind

of ends with um. So like obviously Cramer Tom to go call Corny and blah blah blah, and she's she's fine if you're got to fight for her. But when he's wiping the other Framemork, George just sort of look at him, it just feels like it goes on like a few seconds too long. It's like you didn't really have anything to do here. No, yeah, it's it's um. Yeah, you guys are stretching of a time a little bit, Yeah, trying to make something out of nothing. And then

Nina and Jerry obviously together again, they're having another shot at it. They're in Jerry's apartment and they're hear the gunshot on the TV. Don't go in there, you get a shot. And do you like to do that? When you're watching shows that you know are very predictable, call the shots before they happen every once in a while. But my dad was terrible at that.

He would alway, oh, this is going to happen, and then I did you know, well, stuff that either, stuff that he watched, all stuff that was very predictable, and it was partly endearing and partly shut up dad. My dad's the same if he's seen something and you haven't seen it, He's just like, oh, this is when this happens. I'm like, why are you telling me? Really, I'm clearly watching the

movie. You've just ruined it and I'm ninety second into it. Or if if if I'm watching a football game on delay, I mute my phone. I turn it off because I know that if my dad is calling me, it means we won. If I and if I don't hear from him, and then the game's over and I don't hear from I know we've lost. So I'm like, I don't want to know because if he always calls, and if he doesn't, if he doesn't ring, I'm know we lost. I'm like, I don't want to know the result. I need to put

my phone away. But my dad would say, he'll be like he would call you. I'm not. I'm not telling you the score. When I don't tell you, SCO, don't worry about it. I'm not. Are

you watching it though? I'm no. I read this great twet yesterday by someone said when I was when I was a kid, I was watching Plane with the Apes with my um, mom and my dad, and you know, when I first landed on the plane of the Apes, my mom said, wow, that looks a lot like Earth, and my dad said, when we find out at the end that it is Earth, And then he pretended the whole time like he hadn't said that at all, go to the ends. I no, I never said that. What are you talking about?

Hello, George manh Hi, owe you some money, don't well? I really love that? Peace? Yeah? Oh meet cho met cho boy oh boy, oh boy. You know, in fact, I've been thinking about it, and uh, you know, I feel like I'm stealing from you five hundred dollars. It's gonna be worth thousand soon. I second thought, I can't even accept it. No, no, no, no, George, tal you know I want you to have it. This could be in a museum someday. It's not safe with me. Should really be in

a dormman build. Honestly, George, the money's not important. I don't saying anything about money. Yeah, Lane, Yeah, this person does not believe in telephones, does she? She likes the popping. I've told her how I hate the popping. He likes the pop in too, just popped in. Now I'm the big popping guy. Yes about framing, Oh huge popping guy. Well I was leaving anyway, so uh one for tomorrow.

Yeah, okay, okay, bye, hello Jetty Gal. I mean, I love the fact that George is trying to get out of it that way. It's it's quite a clever way. Really, It's like, no, no, no, that's not it's not it's not you. It's mean. I guess I just can't accept this. If you have to keep this it's gonna be w too much money, or always use the strategy what's in it for me? Or you know, look at it from the other person, but what's in it for them? You know, And that's how they get

a benefit. That's how that's how a good con works or a good scam works. Again, No, Nina bringing up the whole. She just likes to pop in it like, yeah, yeah, Cram a huge popping guy. We just like to popping. I'm a popping guy. I've never been that kind of person. I've never been a popping guy. I'm always just like, is it okay for me to come over? I never pop up unannounced? Have you ever been that way? I try not to. I think I've done it on a few occasions, although I then have to think

about do I like people dropping by? No? I don't not at all. No. I mean I love my friends, I like people in general. At the same time, I'm going to need just a little bit of notice before we come into my house because then you'll see how I live and then you won't like me anymore. Yeah. But then Nina obviously she leaves, and Elaine she says, chatty gal, and then they're all here Lane's worried she's gonna get fired, and Jerry's he's a fast clicker. I used

to be this way. I feel like I'm not anymore because we don't really change channels that we used to do anymore do. It's it's like the streaming service. You find something you want and you watch it. I guess if you're flicking through the menu on Netflix and stuff, you can consider that's the

modern day version of this. I guess, yeah, although I mean flicking is kind of like, oh, you're you're running along the information super highways such as it is, whereas yeah, if you're on the Netflix main menu or any of any other stream once, it's like this that I don't know, not tonight, yeah, yeah, I mean, god knows, I've had this so many times with the level of the ways where it's like, all right, let's go to what's new and upcoming on Netflix that's not until

Wednesday this one, Yeah, it's time. And then this actually happened last night. We were about to start watching this movie on Apple and enough time had gone past, said hey, how long does this go for? Oh it's going to run till No, I'm not gonna make it I'm not gonna make it. Let's find let's let's find some only goes for an hour as opposed to two hours, because Nicholas got obviously Nicholas to get up early for work. Sometimes when she has to go to Melbourne, she's like, I

can watch half of it. I'm like, I don't want to watch half the Millville. I want to watch it now. I'd like that if I'm in thrawed in, like if i'm you know, if a movie has captivated me, I'm halfway point. And then Nicola goes, I'm gonna go to bed. I'm like, I don't want to push stop. Yeah, I honestly think. I mean because you look at there are so many streaming series, particularly Netflix ones, where you look at here. You started as a

movie, didn't you. You didn't have to be a six episode thing. You were a two hour a movie that got stretched out to like, yeah, six hours or something, and I think they did that. So it's like, oh, I can't commit to two hours, but I can commit to an hour, and then I can break that up into six six things savy people. But yeahs he said, so George, I like the fight over here over the remote and George snacks at time. I'm a great click

out. But what's great about it, though, was Jerry's life. He doesn't had to click in Georgie's life, motherfucker on it had it clicks the back and he clicks them onto chapter two Neil Simon, and this is where they realize that she has copied the letter. It's Lenny West, my account, who is a hell of a guy. And he handles the Yankees too. It's as big as the account. So every once in a while they throw him a couple of seats, and last weekend he gave him to his

daughter. She's an artist, by the way. Anyway, her daughter gives them to some friends. You know. One of her friends shows up wearing a Baltimore cap from Baltimore. Right, Oh it's Towson and that's near. But you're an Oriole fan, right, you know my father. She refused to take the cap off. She goes the whole big scene. Yeah, yeah, so impudent. Yeah. So he gave me the tickets for tomorrow night. I'm inviting Frank and Marcia. Want you to come. I've got

plans, though, missus. He missed the Prince. I want you at the game. Okay, okay, good okay, mister and the lane. You know the Baltimore cap you got in your office, wear it. I'm gonna have a little fun. That will be fun. Now there's a mistake here, Lipman says. Lipman saying, talking about what Elaine did, he doesn't know it was Elane. And he goes and her daughter gave her tickets to her friend. But he was just talking about Lenny or was Lenny the

why Lenny? No, because he's talking. He's talking about the dad Lenny. His name is Dad, Yes, and he's I'm sure he's talking about Ny talking Nan his dad. Could He goes, yeah, it could, goes because he's a gizy accountant. And he goes and then it cuts to Elane and then it cuts back to them, and he goes, well, anyway, her daughter gave the tickets to her friends, is what he says. Her daughter. Oh okay, so he actually said her instead of his

daughter. And they just ran with it. And I was just running with it. Maybe they didn't pick it up when he said it just happened. It's just it's even in the subtimes. He goes, well, anyway, her daughter gave the tickets to her friends, and then one of them wouldn't take the cap off. Eagle eyes. And what's not sensitive is dog is rabbit? Is doges dog? Yes, anyway, donkey is dog dog ear

Dando? Yeah, dog ear Dando. So he tells the story and you think aim it as a viewer, you think she's getting caught in the lane. Thinks so too. She's like, oh yeah, yeah about that. Yeah. Anyway, he says he wants Elane to come to the game next time. Oh, bring the cap. I think I'm gonna have some fun with it. Oh, yes, that will be fun. We're now at Nana Studio and Jerry's all smug. He is smug Jerry because he knows he's

got a got a court. So I'm gonna actually discuss this when he discovers them that she's copied the letter from the film or the rant from the film and put it in her letter. I've mentioned this on one of our podcasts in the past. Back in Primis, you remember the book Contest, The Scary Story Contest where with a Girl. I was like, that's the fucking book. I'm like, but I remember, like at the time thinking it was my one of my best mate, sisters, and I'm like, what's

more important my friendship with my best friend or winning that scooter? I think winning the scooter is my And I was like, yeah, I remember being how Jerry feels. Here is how I felt, going, well, principle, what's your face? Guess what I've got for you. You're about to fall out of your fucking chair. I took the book to the because I remember telling the teacher. The teacher didn't believe me, and I went and found a little book at home and throughout that desk and I'm like, read

it. Read it to the picture Dan just swaggering like a boss. Yeah, read that, read that. You better reading this book one by default, which was fantastic. Two best words in the English language. And Joey's about to sort of confront her as the old couple arrived by the Cramer for five thousand dollars, as we've learned from George. As we're now in Joe's

apartment, and then they're watching the baseball baseballs on the TV. A way to incorporate the lane situation that's about to happen, he offers to sell his painting, the one that he got from the end of fifty dollars to Joey. He's still on some one for fifty. Then they see a lane getting thrown out on the baseball and finally we see Cramer having dinner with the old

couple talking about hopping on a steamship to Sweden. So all wrapped up there, I'll get some stand up as well about the sneaking down to better seats, which I think is my favorite stand up. He's unto date the best seasons to the starting. I'm very excited about that. Did you ever sneak

down to better seats at the game and get clived by the usher? When you're a kid, it doesn't matter because you always getting chased from out of place anyway, So when you're an adult it's really embarrassing again, but you have to pretend like there's some confusion put on this whole oh act, you're looking at the tickets. I don't understand how this quot have happened. Let me see, Oh, I see the problem. These are very good seats.

I have very bad seats. That's the misunderstanding. It's true, though you get caught doing it, you're like, oh really, oh sorry, my bad. This this is this is row ac I'm in row triple R four. You never balls the other side thirst seats are empty, yea, even to me. Well, Nicola and I did that at the Alton John concert. I would have been like twenty thirteen or maybe twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. It's the end of the gig rod Laver Arena, which is for

anyone overseas. That's where they played the Australian Open finals, the Indoor Center. Their most concerts have played there in Melbourne, and we had floor seating, but we're like twenty roads from the front. So it was just like, oh, he looks too small. And remember it was the end of the gig. And I'm like, let's just walk up the big open aisles to walk up and down because a lot of old people there, so then big white spaces. I was like, let's just walk into the front.

What they're gonna do like throw us out? It's the last song, Like, let's just do it. And we walked down and we stood right against the barricade about I reckon six feet away from Elton johnnys. He played your song and no one threw us out and it just that was it. And then we got to stand out and give him like the standing ovation at the

end. It was literally I couldn't have touched him because they had a bit of a gap between the barrier and the stage, but he was like literally six feet from me, and I'm just like, imagine if we just sat in our seats, that never would have happened. But we just took the punt and he sang your song six feet from us. It was awesome. That does sound very nice. It was very very good because I think the chorus for your song is one of the best lyrics for a love song ever.

I just think it is lovely. Does it get any better than that? Not really, No, it's the Elbe's a lovely. I mean your song is just a lovely It's one of my favorite Elton Yeah. Yeah, how wonderful life is when you're in the world. That's just the greatest. Like, I just can't think of any better lines. Anyway. That is

our review of the letter. What do you think, mister Davis? I think overall I didn't see Jerry as more so much of a negative before doing this review, but the more I've gone through, I'm just like Jerry was kind of a douche in this, but so because like you have to be able to understand from leanness perspecting. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's One great thing about about the show, Seinfeld is that, you know, I was not afraid to make Jerry or any of the characters a

bit of a dick every once in a while. I think, you know, well, I go to prison for being bad people. That's true, that's true, but it's gambles on the fact that you find these people interesting enough and inherently sort of likable enough and recognizable enough that you're going to stick with them even when they behaved badly. There's like, oh, you know, I want that behavior sucks, but I think I might have done that once or twice. Yes, all right, guys, hope you enjoyed our

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