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3 - The REAL Work: Keeping It Off

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Welcome to the Talking Nutrition Podcast! Since we didn't get to touch on fat loss maintenance last week and because we believe it's actually more difficult than losing the weight, we wanted to dedicate a full episode to 'keeping it off'. 


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Transcript

0:30

welcome to the Smoke show all right


0:40

I love that name though like all right welcome to the Smoke show


0:46

what's up guys welcome back to another episode episode three today where we're going to talk about fat loss maintenance


0:51

last episode we touched on Fat Loss versus weight loss kind of like the differences and also the importance of


0:57

muscle building Etc now we didn't really get into fat loss maintenance which in my opinion is


1:03

probably even more difficult and more important than actually losing the body fat


1:08

so we wanted to dedicate a specific episode to just that


1:14

so a common mistake that I see a lot of people including my clients make from time to time is thinking that once


1:21

they're done with a diet then that's it I'm good right um I'm sure that you see there's a lot


1:27

too Christine but like this really must come from you know the the fat loss


1:33

challenges the six pack in six weeks you know the very restrictive like X week


1:39

diets whatever where it's kind of like this mindset of I'm just making these changes just for now I'm losing a whole


1:46

bunch of Weights I'm gonna cut out all my favorite foods I'm gonna hate life for a couple weeks but at least I'll lose weight you know


1:52

and then that's it and that's really a big mistake and like I said in my opinion like what you


2:00

do after the diet no to keep the weight off is crucial it's something you can't


2:06

neglect and that's really why we're dedicating full episode to it because once you're done with the actual


2:13

fat loss phase you're not actually done yet right the real work has just begun so what many people don't know and it's


2:22

just for most it's a lack of knowledge as to what happens to the body when we


2:29

are in a fat loss phase or or doing a diet or a challenge or something like that


2:35

um we touched on it before I mean we'll probably touch it on a million more times but it it's the metabolism


2:42

um down regulating right and so many people will think of that as a plateau


2:49

but it's just your body adapting to that lower amount of calories it's a normal


2:55

process often people look at it as a negative thing but it's it's part of it it's our


3:01

body again it's that survival mechanism kind of thing happening


3:06

so what happens is you're done this diet and say you're at a very low caloric


3:14

intake and you've been there for a period extended period of time the body is going to adapt to that


3:22

amount of calories so a lot of the time why we see the weight


3:28

rebound is because people are well the diet's potentially


3:34

too restrictive so they end up binging and eating everything back but it's it


3:40

just happens too quickly and we don't give the body enough time to essentially up regulate so just as it


3:48

down regulates the body upregulates and when we don't give it enough time to do


3:53

that we don't increase calories in a controlled manner this is where we end


3:58

up gaining the fat back sometimes worse right


4:04

um so that's just something that many people don't understand they think when


4:10

the diet's done it's it's done but that's where a coach actually can help


4:16

immensely um is that reverse diet back up


4:21

into a more sustainable Place increasing metabolism metabolism as we increase


4:27

calories that way you can essentially maintain


4:33

well we'll talk about how to maintain but you can maintain most of those body


4:38

composition improvements at a higher caloric intake but again it just takes


4:44

time A little bit of time to get there some stuff that a lot of people don't know is first of all as you mentioned


4:50

the metabolism has slowed down right so that's one now second


4:56

hunger is through the roof usually but it's time you know so we're very likely


5:01

to overeat to overshoot calories now on top of that we might even be


5:06

better at storing body fat in those situations where the body can actually add you know


5:12

new fat cells so we might even Just Bounce right back actually gain more body fat again


5:19

so a lot of good reasons to not rush it right and not thinking hey I'm done


5:24

already but instead hey let me just stay on point still just for now I'm almost


5:30

there but you know we still got to do that transition and then maybe you know taking the food


5:35

off the gas and just kind of slowing down and enjoying more flexibility right yeah so the the first point was talking


5:43

about being done yet essentially after the fat loss phase second point is like not


5:50

increasing food too quickly because again that's when the fat loss or the


5:55

the fat gain can happen it's essentially called a reverse diet that's what we


6:01

call it in the in the nutrition industry Fitness industry um it's going to look different for


6:09

different people depending on the situation again this is why it's so important or helpful to have someone


6:16

help you along the way um but that's a really important


6:23

factor to to focus on is not increasing those calories too quickly


6:29

yeah because it's very exciting right you're like oh you know what I planned my cuts


6:36

all the way down till the week before I'm going on my summer vacation you know right or whatever it may be your wedding


6:42

Etc like that's cool like don't get me wrong it's fine but we we don't want to go from


6:50

being deep down in the deficit you know low calories to all of a sudden just going all out right that's where it goes


6:57

wrong yeah so when you mention not increasing food too quickly where would you start people


7:04

off I know we do this the same but for the listeners yeah so typically at the


7:10

end of a fat loss phase I will bump them from where they are where they're ending


7:16

I will bump them up you know 15 20 to just get them out of that lower range


7:23

and then from there based on like well biofeedback you know how they're feeling


7:29

in general what weight is doing I would say a general recommendation is


7:36

about a hundred calories bi-weekly


7:41

um I think that's a safe place I have myself when I have a first diet like I


7:46

can reverse diet pretty quickly like I can do it every week that's not the case for some people right so again it


7:55

depends but I think that's a safe area to be in


8:00

I think it's hard too um especially figuring this out without a coach right because


8:06

I mean honestly there's three scenarios you'll gain weight which can happen right away it's maybe


8:12

not gonna be body fat but you'll probably gain weight from food water Etc which might you know make you free cars


8:18

a little little then you might lose weight simply because your body might respond by


8:25

burning more calories or you maintain that's kind of like what we expect right where you increase food


8:31

but your weight loss stops you know that would kind of be what we're aiming for right the reality is you don't know how


8:37

it's going to go you don't know if you're going to gain maintain or lose


8:42

and how you're going to respond to 50 calories or 30 or 100 or 200 whatever


8:47

right with that first step right which is why I think trying to not rush


8:54

it is at least a little bit safer than adding too quick but now that we're talking about like increase in calories


9:02

this is something I literally talked to someone about um last week where they got quite a few


9:09

extra calories but I went to the fun stuff right


9:14

which is cool I'm all for flexibility we always talk about flexible dieting 80 20 Etc however


9:21

the fact that we're gonna eat more doesn't mean that that's just gonna come from the fun stuff food quality still


9:27

matters you still want to focus on the good stuff yes sir


9:33

so common tool um that I use with clients is the 80 20


9:39

tool right so I'm thinking eighty percent of time we're eating whole sources of food real food uh 20 of time


9:49

we have those fun Foods um and this can help keep those calories


9:54

in control so what does that look like you know it can look different so we


10:01

could have you know all horse whole sources of food one day Monday Tuesday whole all whole


10:08

sources of food have some cookies at lunch or at dinner


10:13

um you know something like that but again like 80 percent of the time you want to be eating those whole sources of


10:19

food um me I what that looks like for me is like my breakfast my lunch my dinner my


10:28

snacks pre-well a whole sources of food that's a mouthful


10:34

um and then I'll add like some sort of processed food in there like after


10:40

dinner everyone knows I love desserts I'm always posting it on my my Instagram like I'll do


10:46

something after dinner um and then the next day I'll have a little bit of that in my lunch but the


10:52

majority of the time is real foods that are basically one ingredient right so if


11:00

we have that mindset that can really help to keep things in control


11:05

um following a diet face and guys so we're not going to like


11:12

calculate your 80 that you're 20 right yeah I know or at least I don't do that


11:17

at least yeah but it's it's more of a mindset like it's making those choices most of the time right and I think


11:24

that's really something you can apply to anything you know training uh sleep you know if you sleep like [ __ ] every now and then okay cool I'm not the end of


11:31

the world but back to food we want to mostly make those whole food choices you know the stuff that we kind of know of


11:37

that is healthy food right yeah and I think along the lines of that I'll touch on


11:43

um like balancing meals right because when you're going out for dinner whether


11:49

you're at home you can implement this anytime so when I'm focusing on my plate


11:57

I am thinking of a balanced meal and what I mean by a balanced meal is getting a protein a carb fat fiber


12:05

source so I want you know chicken uh vegetables like like protein and


12:10

vegetables are going to be the main portion of my plate and then I'll have like potatoes or rice


12:15

or something like that and I'm usually cooking with oils and or like the the fats from the animal base protein and I


12:24

take that same mindset when I'm out for dinner so I'm looking at on the menu


12:30

what meals here are protein based that have vegetables some sort of


12:37

carbohydrate I keep it fairly simple if there isn't you know a veggie Source in


12:43

there I'll I'll ask for a side of it right and just to make sure that I'm


12:48

getting a balanced meal because that is going to help with overall hunger


12:54

throughout the day it's going to keep you more full and again that in return that is going to help to keep calories


12:59

more in control totally I think it's just something to keep in


13:05

mind right like we're always in charge of the food choices that we make I think when we go


13:11

out for food you know restaurants they tend to use a little bit more fat you know oils Etc so maybe you don't


13:19

necessarily have to look for okay am I getting my fat Source you probably are getting your fats you are yeah little


13:25

side tip but making those food choices um that's really going to set you up for


13:31

success I think it's also gonna even like keep you from maybe overshooting calories while you're going out for food


13:37

because those Foods aren't necessarily super dense in calories right


13:43

and if you don't want to combine that with a drink okay cool at least your meal is not going to be like this huge


13:48

calorie bomb right you can make modifications like


13:54

really with anything right so if I if I'm looking at like a salad and there's


14:00

a bunch of fat sources in there I will remove the cheese right and it's not because cheese is bad is because I'm


14:07

just focusing on trying to keep calories in control right and there's other times


14:13

I won't do that but most of the time I am um or like if there's cheese and then


14:19

there's the salad dressing and then there's what candied walnuts you know


14:25

again all of these are very calorically dense so I'll swap something out you


14:31

know modify it or like have the dressings on the side things like that so I can modify how much is going on on


14:39

the meal so these little things again can help keep the calories in control


14:44

and that's what we need if we want we want to keep those calories in control especially at this moment right right


14:51

after a fat loss phase right we really want to just jump back to maintenance and honestly


14:58

reality is not everyone needs a reverse diet man but it's going to be very difficult


15:04

to know your maintenance carriers at that point right so it's probably a good idea to


15:09

transition to slowly bring yourself up in terms of calories preferably with a


15:15

coach hey I'm a little biased here we're both coaches you know yeah but but I do


15:21

really believe that that's the case personally I've had coaches and you have you know also in terms of mentoring it's


15:29

that accountability right yes and I know for myself personally in those


15:34

situations I'll probably let myself get away with too much you know we're human we really sometimes we make


15:41

those decisions based on emotions and that could be a whole another episode but like yeah what I'm trying to


15:49

say is it's easier said than done right oh we're just going to increase with 50


15:55

calories or 100 and then a little more applying it to someone's life like


16:01

that's where it gets tricky once again with accountability hey at least there's someone checking up on you at least


16:07

you're having someone on your team who can say hey you know what okay maybe this time we learned that maybe this is not the


16:14

right way to do it right and then next time you go out for food you can then make better choices and really find that


16:21

balance between you know keeping weight off while also making you know the better food choices


16:26

as well as enjoying because that's super important too right totally that being said I think


16:33

at that moment you know after a weight loss made it's probably a good idea to keep tracking


16:38

very common mistake once again which really comes from this mindset I


16:43

think of okay I've lost weight I'm good now it's probably still a good idea to keep


16:49

tracking and I bring this up with my clients a lot too and I will already tell them beforehand Hey listen like


16:55

we're almost there but it does mean that we're going to stop tracking I know you're gonna really want to it's probably gonna be for the


17:02

best if you keep doing that for at least a little while yeah so


17:08

what I do um with my clients is we end the fat loss phase we start reversing calories


17:15

back up and we're tracking that whole time but once we get to maintenance


17:22

that's when we start to step away from tracking or I like to call it loosening


17:28

the grip a little bit um it depends on the client to be honest


17:33

with you what we do here because some clients love tracking their food like I'm one of those people I love seeing


17:40

the data right it creates more flexibility more freedom for me


17:46

um that being said I do believe we all do need a break um so in some capacity so I'll have


17:54

clients we get to maintenance and we track three to four days a week


18:01

instead of seven right and then you know maybe we knock it down to two to three


18:08

right and we give them that break you know they don't need to be tracking every single day


18:14

another situation that happens within my my nutrition coaching is


18:21

when a client finishes a reverse diet or at maintenance okay they step away from


18:26

coaching and I give them like the kind of exit strategy um and if they're not going to track


18:32

macros in that time I tell them to check in on themselves like once every couple


18:41

weeks and track a day or two and just see where they're at and see okay do I


18:46

need to adjust my eating you know how much I'm eating whether it's up or down


18:52

just just to kind of have something to see um and that works as well and then you


18:59

know once they're done their maintenance phase they come back or if they're still with me we will ramp the tracking back up in


19:08

the maintenance phase and then we will drop back down into the fat loss phase where we're tracking now seven days a


19:14

week because we have a lot less leniency in the deficit let's be honest foreign


19:20

I was laughing because as you explain that transition right from seven days a week to like three to four


19:27

I was like that's exactly what I do too yeah yeah like we like I know that tracking is always like


19:33

this thing where you know how I mean how often have you heard like I tried tracking calories but


19:38

it didn't work for me you know many times a lot of people including myself


19:44

um have had shitty experiences with tracking because typically


19:50

we don't know how to kind of properly do it going into it like I told you


19:55

in the first episode I I thought quote maximum weight loss you know maximum


20:00

rate of weight loss 1200 calories I guess that's what I got to do yeah I


20:06

didn't know you know right so that's that's the thing I think uh tracking can be a great tool when it's


20:13

applied correctly it can really benefit you a whole lot you'll learn about food portions right what's in certain foods


20:20

and you can also really control your weight loss or weight gain Journey or even maintenance


20:26

but it's equally important to be able to do without tracking yep but when the


20:32

time is right and that's not while you're still in the deficit no


20:38

so if you're at the end of a fat loss phase are you listening to this you are not done yet make sure to


20:44

transition first and then maybe step away from tracking and


20:49

that maintaining also goes for most of the things that you've been working on


20:54

you want to keep most of your habits that's why I brought that up you know with the challenges and stuff and hey I've done challenges too I think they


21:00

can be great when they're set up the right way but the changes that we're making you


21:06

know to get healthier to achieve your goals are not temporary


21:11

we want to maintain most of those habits right that's why when a client comes to me I


21:17

will not put them into a deficit right away we work on building those basic


21:22

habits because those are what help to keep the fat loss or even just


21:29

not everyone's coming for fat loss but like even just to maintain their body


21:35

weight you know stay healthy down the road if we don't have those we don't have those fundamentals we don't have


21:41

that solid foundation it's more likely we are not going to succeed at that


21:48

so moving on neat I love talking about neat


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um so when we're looking at our energy burn throughout the day calories burned throughout today


22:00

neat so non-exercise activity is the second largest aspect of that okay so


22:07

I'm always on top of my clients about keeping this High I don't care what phase they're in


22:14

um I guess in a reversed eye if someone's doing like 20K steps I'm going to tell them just to lower those lower


22:20

those steps but this is really helpful in keeping energy expenditure up


22:26

um when you're in a maintenance phase or your your revert you're coming out of


22:31

that phase or you just want to maintain your fat loss um this is going to help you burn more


22:37

calories throughout the day without like the added stress of more exercise so getting in your steps walking very


22:45

impactful on body composition I mean body composition but Health in


22:50

general yeah I mean so right so yeah probably one of the easiest things you


22:56

can do for your health and just any of your goals in general is bring your steps up I think getting to that range


23:02

of maybe around 10K or at least closer to that range it's probably something that a lot of


23:08

people could benefit from just making that little change right I was just talking to someone and they were trying to figure out their


23:15

nutrition so I asked them about their step count which is not related to the food side but they said hey you know it's about 3


23:21

000 right now I'm like okay cool you know what like for the next couple weeks let's actually bring that up first


23:27

instead and then we'll talk about nutrition and stuff but let's get into that healthy mindset let's get you moving a little bit more because


23:33

throughout your whole journey whether it's for fat loss or muscle gain or even just health or whatever steps are going


23:39

to be huge and it also plays into yeah keeping the weight off yeah for sure


23:45

um and then the last couple points here that I have are to


23:52

not skip meals um because this can backfire


23:58

and you can end up over consuming at the end of the day I think a lot of people they try to


24:05

they think that they're saving calories by not having a meal or skipping a meal


24:11

and then at the end of the day they're so hungry they end up binging and now they're eating twice as many calories as


24:16

they would have if they just would have had that meal right so not skipping


24:22

meals is very helpful and keeping calories in control keeping fullness and hunger


24:29

regulated throughout the day balancing blood sugar all of those types of things


24:35

um and then I say to keep snacking to a minimum


24:41

um because calories add up very quickly when we are snacking right especially


24:47

we're not typically not snacking on protein okay like we're not stocking on chicken breasts we're snacking on trail


24:53

mix different things like that that are really calorically dense so having you know bigger meals across


25:03

the day can actually help again keep those calories in control help with


25:09

fullness um so for me what that looks like is I have breakfast


25:16

around like 8 30 that I have my lunch and they're big right they're like 500


25:24

600 calories like just depends right I'm that being said I'm eating a lot right


25:29

now but that the caloric intake will change based on where you are but


25:34

um I'll have my breakfast at like 8 30 and then I'll have my lunch around 11 30


25:40

12 and then I'll have my snack around three and then I'll have my dinner on


25:46

like 6 37 and it's it's pretty structured like I'm not eating exactly at that time those times it kind of


25:53

depends on my day but I'm trying to have about you know three to four hours in


25:58

between when I'm eating and I'm making those meals nice and voluminous and


26:03

balanced that way I'm staying full and now I'm way more in control of my


26:09

calories over the day versus like having a small breakfast and then a snack and


26:14

then I'm hungry right after and I'm having a small lunch and then I'm hungry right after I like picking at this and I'm picking at that right and that those


26:21

calories will add up really quickly versus if you just make a nice balanced voluminous meal


26:28

so keeping the snacking to a minimum um and trying to have a little bit more


26:34

structure with meals can help most people again everyone's going to be


26:40

different um but I find that helps my myself and


26:46

my clients totally I think this is even something


26:51

that's helping me right now like in the middle of a cut is actually having that framework right


26:57

that structure yeah these are my meals um I like pre-logging everything already


27:03

which I did yesterday for the whole week I'll change it up from time to time but in general I'm repeating a lot of stuff


27:09

but I'm focusing on exactly that right yeah filling foods but not just like


27:14

snacking all the time because I guess a lot of people would have this idea of hey that's going to keep me


27:20

satiated yeah maybe in the short term right but what


27:25

happens is from all that snacking you're already like you're already spending some calories here and there you know


27:31

what happens then is your meals are going to have to be smaller if you want to stick within your calories right


27:38

now if we have smaller meals we might not feel very satisfied after that if you really want to support keeping full


27:44

I'd say you know same thing like you said stick to your meals your meal frequency


27:49

pick like I'm gonna have four meals a day or five whatever I just stick to that make sure that those foods are


27:56

built from a protein a carb fat the fiber source you mentioned and you're


28:02

gonna support your goals you're gonna get a lot of micronutrients you can stay full


28:07

and just in general if most of your meals like even the whole tracking thing aside like if most of your meals look


28:13

like that you're literally doing most of the work already right you know yeah you don't even need to be tracking and that's


28:20

actually something that I often start people off with you know if tracking is kind of like a thing where hey we still


28:25

have to kind of learn and figure that out okay cool let's at least decide on our frequency and food choices because


28:32

that's something that we can always do right if you're snacking a lot


28:44

like you're on uh blood sugar roller coaster and that will create more hunger


28:52

it will create more Cravings you can end up feeling lethargic it can mess with


28:58

your sleep we want to regulate blood sugar and that's going to happen by you know


29:05

spaced oatmeals balanced meals with protein fiber fat


29:11

um and so in return again that's going to help keep calories in control


29:16

yeah great awesome so I hope that was useful guys I think


29:21

we've covered mostly most important factors right I think I can't really think of anything


29:26

well exercise yeah exactly so don't


29:31

exercise just to lose weight right like um we'll talk about this I'm sure but


29:36

like that's maybe actually let me let me talk about that for a sec because


29:42

a lot of people would few exercise as in that's one of your main you know ways of losing weight sure


29:49

it helps we might have to crank up the cardio from time to time but it's not going to be the number one


29:55

factor leading to weight loss that's going to come from your nutrition


30:01

that being said training is just something that we should be doing anyway yeah right a


30:07

couple times a week hey not every day but you do want to keep doing that because Health


30:12

it goes hashtag health

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