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Episode 73: COVID-19 Summer Surge & Variant Updates

Aug 14, 202435 min
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As we cruise through August we are amidst the middle to end  of the COVID summer surge. With each new surge comes a new variant.  And with each new variant comes new info or old info updated.

Today we discuss the nomenclature of the newest variants, symptomatology, PPE, ongoing discussion of airborne vs droplet and updates on the vaccines.

In this episode:

  • COVID-19 newest variants KP.3.3.1, KP3, KP2 and LB.1
  • Most common symptoms of current variant 
  • Droplet vs. airborne definitions 
  • Update on vaccine 
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Understanding COVID Variants and Symptoms

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So I wanted to jump into some information about the new COVID variants , because we are back in the middle of a summer surge and you know , I think it's important to stay up to date on the new variants , just even be comfortable with the names and see if there's any changes in the pathophysiology of COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2 .

And this was actually a little harder to find . I don't know if it was just me , but it felt like it was a little bit more difficult to dig into some of the detail this time . A lot of the pathophys that exists on SARS-CoV-2 is still from 2020 , although there are some updated articles in 2022 , and I even found one from 2023 .

But a lot of the newer research is actually in relation to the long-term problems that COVID has caused , whether it's long COVID itself , issues with atherosclerosis , issues with brain fog , fatigue , autonomic dysfunction , that kind of thing .

So I did a little bit of digging and I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any drastic changes in the physiologic process , because that is important for us to understand how things are being transmissed Is that a word how the transmission of COVID occurs , and if there's just any changes , because that will also lead to potential changes in symptoms .

So I don't know if it's the good news , but the good news is there really isn't a ton of change on the big picture of COVID . I have some notes in front of me but I just want to kind of have all my stuff out in front .

But the actual virus itself is considered a positive sense single-stranded RNA with a spiked glycoprotein , the S-protein and we've heard a lot about the S-protein even in the media versus actual research articles and such .

I think we're all sort of familiar with some of these words and essentially the S-protein binds to the ACE2 receptor and that ACE2 receptor basically breaks down wherever it is and will enter the bloodstream . So the primary place that this occurs is actually the lung . So it is spread via respiratory droplet and aerosols and it is obtained via breathing it in .

So the alveoli is really one of the primary places where transmission occurs essentially , and so basically once we breathe in said particulate it's going to enter our system , bind to ACE2 . At the alveoli it will break down type 1 and type 2 pneumocytes . This will create vascular permeability at the alveoli , increase fluid potential and it enters the bloodstream .

And once it enters the bloodstream it has the ability to basically spread to other ACE2 sites . And , as we know , the symptom list is long and varied and I think this was something that really threw a lot of people early on as to why there was so much variability in COVID , its symptomatology and things like that .

And I think the easiest answer really is to say it's because ACE2 is very available throughout the body . So we have the systemic response , because ACE2 is located in the brain , the esophagus , the nares , the heart , the lungs , the GI system , even the reproductive system , so and vessels right Like .

There's just so much variability in the immediate symptomatology as well as the long-term problems that occur , and so , basically , wherever the virus binds to the ACE2 is likely why you develop certain symptoms .

There's still a lot of unknown as to why , with one variant , one person might have more of the runny nose cough , while another person might have higher fever or have more severe shortness of breath .

There's still question about you know the individual response and I think we keep learning more and more and we keep seeing some changes with the variants and it seems that some variants tend to have more of that , you know , congestion , sore throat sort of thing , while others are more high fever , chills , and then of course we have the no smell , no taste In

this current summer surge . It seems to be fever , fever and chills seems to be high . Cough seems to be high . It seems to start with the runny nose , sore throat sort of thing . Fatigue and body aches is still on the list . Headache is still on the list . Headache is still on the list .

I'm hearing and this part is anecdotal , I'm hearing less of nausea , vomiting , diarrhea , and I really haven't heard much about no smell , no taste . In this most recent surge I've been hearing more fever , more chills . I hear this quite a bit , usually kind of throughout is I thought it was just allergies .

I started with a runny nose , sore throat , that kind of thing , and so that kind of brings us to different times of the year . I think this is going to be one of those viruses that isn't just a winter virus . It seems to have this yearly summer surge .

There's some theory behind that , whether it's because we've had really high temps and people are indoors more to get relief from the high temps , versus maybe people are traveling more and interacting and being in more crowded places .

There's still a lot of question as to what the summer surge thing is about , but the virus exists pretty much throughout the year and so you can get it at any time of the year , and I think that's part of also having a little self-awareness about how you feel . Midsummer , july , august isn't really a high allergy time .

So if you are starting to have that runny nose or throat congestion Maybe you are in a high populated area or traveled recently it really is no harm in testing versus assuming that it's this and then all of a sudden you know , realizing it once you have the high fever . So that's , you know . Just a personal commentary on that .

I think it's better for the people around you , less risk of spread and also there's something about knowing that can be super helpful too . The winter is definitely harder . Right Winter you're going to have flu , covid , rsv .

Last year those three were like big high hitters COVID and flu being more than RSV , but still available or still a possibility and I found that last winter there was less overall testing when you went to get checked out . I'm not really sure what that's about . I think they're really clumping together a lot of the respiratory diagnoses right now .

It's like , well , you either have COVID flu or RSV . In my personal opinion , they shouldn't be treated as the same because they're not the same and how they spread and such . But it's sort of leaning that way , even with some of the recommendations .

So what I have seen , actually just recently , is that they're doing some more home tests with like three in one type testing , so it's COVID flu A and flu B . I would love to see one with RSV as well . That would be just a great way to either articulate to the docs or just to know for yourself .

Either articulate to the docs or just to know for yourself . Right , I think it's important to know if you have COVID , especially for the long-term potential consequences . Like you know , in two , three months , if you're having this extraordinary fatigue and brain fog .

But you don't have a documented date of COVID , that can be a little bit tricky and , you know , maybe figuring something else out . So I personally think that it should have its own diagnosis and although you do very similar things in helping to prevent spread of multiple types of respiratory diagnosis .

I think they're different in the sense of like timeframe , of how long things last . So that's my opinion on that . So just for some knowledge of variant names they do not make this easy , I'm telling you whoever's in the naming department of COVID I think we need like a marketing check up in here .

So JN.1 was the primary variant pretty much throughout the winter , so like right around Thanksgiving last year , december , january , february , march are all in this like JN1 variety . That was the primary variant and so now they have these like additional cutesy names attached to them to show their mutations .

So JN1 is considered a slip and the slip is a capital S , capital L , ip , and what that is showing is that there is a mutation at site 455 of this variant and it switches the L for the S . So SLIP , s-l-i-p . This is what I'm saying . It's not easy to keep track of these names .

As you can imagine , this has now mutated more , and so the most current variants at this time are KP3 , which is the most prevalent at the moment , kp2 , and LB1 . And there's also KP3.3 , 3.1 . Hold on , it's right now in the US KP3 at 20.1% , lb1 at 16% and KP2.3 at 14% . So we have a couple of variants out there .

The long and the short of it is that they are sub-variants or descendants of the JN1 , which are essentially sub-variants of Omicron . So there's all these lineages , there's like a whole map of these variants that exist , but essentially it is like the grandchildren of Omicron and JN1 are the parents right now .

So these new variants that are currently out are considered the FLIRT variants , f-l-i and then again capital RT , and so it's just showing where the mutations exist . Getting into nitty gritty , this is definitely not my area of expertise area of expertise , but there's a mutation at position 456 for the F , for the L , so that's the FL part of FLIRT .

And then there's another mutation at 346 , where there's an R for a T , so there's like flipping flop , and so you know , the important stuff about this is that the virus is still mutating . It probably will continue to do this forever .

In some situations it might become less contagious , in some situations it might become less transmissible and in other situations it can become more hardy , more what's the word ? More severe in its presentation . So at this moment it's not more severe . Pretty much most of the COVID cases are considered mild .

I'm putting that in air quotes because mild still feels like crap . And so if we remember from , like the really early COVID , mild to severe . Like mild is like all of the you know big regular stuff fever , chill , sore throat , body aches , fatigue , and then severe is like intubated . So quite the variety . So mostly mild cases .

What is interesting with this most recent variant is that the mutations that are occurring are making it easier to bind to ACE2 , however , it has mutated itself and everything that has descended from the JN1 is more efficient in immune evasion .

So immune evasion essentially means that if you've had prior COVID , if you've had prior vaccines , this will evade that protection . So higher risk of transmission again . So they are expected to come out with the new vaccine in the fall they're predicting late September , early October I think last year was October , like second week in October .

So I would guess it would be the same thing or around the same timeframe and essentially it would probably be beneficial to wait for the new vaccine .

If you're intending on getting vaccinated to help prevent the newer versions of the variants , you'll have better protection , basically because the new vaccines will essentially help to combat the new variants , combat the new variants and from my understanding based on the literature , the monovalent COVID-19 was more specific to the XBB15 , which was one of the primary

variants last year , like last summer , last fall . So it's going to keep evolving . There's going to continue to be changes with the vaccines . From what I'm understanding , the COVID-19 antigen tests as well as the PCR tests , are still being effective in catching the new variants . Last year this time they were talking more about test evasion .

I'm not hearing that this year . Apparently , the tests are doing a good job catching it and very anecdotally from you know friends and family who have had COVID . They have even checked themselves on some of the expired tests and some of the expired tests are even catching it .

So you know people will get PCR tested or do an appropriate not expired test and then they'll just check themselves with the expired . Some people like to check see if these things are still working and a lot of people said yeah , it just lit up right away . So there is a link on CDC that has dates for extension of expiration dates per each antigen test .

I can link that below just for some quick reference points . I still have some old ones . I probably should check to see if they have extended the dates . Anything else ? All right . So we talked about the variant names . We talked about the symptoms .

Oh , one thing I wanted to talk about was the updated isolation precautions , or lack thereof , and just kind of talk about what exists in recommendations . So the new guidelines are very vague and open-ended and I think it's meant to do that for a number of reasons , as I talked about on a previous podcast .

It's meant to do that for a number of reasons , as I talked about on a previous podcast , but it's really putting the onus on the person and essentially there's one real objective measure . And then the second one is kind of where the you know subjective nature comes in .

So the objective measure is that if you had a fever , you have to be fever free for 24 hours without medication in order to go back to regular activity , and that can include work , school , what have you . And then the second guideline is that your symptoms are overall getting better , and that's as open-ended as it comes .

And so they basically allude later on in the guidelines that you can return to regular activities for the next five days at you know , once you decide to go back . So you're going back to work for the additional five days

Aerosol Transmission and COVID Precautions

. Basically , it would be recommended to wear a mask to decrease your distance from people and large groups , and obviously washing hands is super important . Also , you know , rechecking your testing can help with that . But we also know that you can test positive for weeks if you're very symptomatic .

So that's not always the best option but it can be helpful , especially if you're in that early period . We do know that you're most contagious the first day or two before you show symptoms and the next two or three days after showing symptoms . So you know kind of keep an eye on how many days you have been symptomatic .

Obviously , if you're still coughing and such , if you're still coughing and such , definitely wear a mask out in the community . So a lot of variability in that I can 100% understand , especially with the five-day rules of having to take off from work .

The hard part also , if you have kids who are sick and those five days turn into 10 days , turns into 15 days as it makes its way through the family , it can be very detrimental to , you know , regular life and I 100% understand the give and take of that .

But it does put a lot more onus on the individual and so I just hope that we're all respectful of each other when it comes to this . They are essentially lumping in flu RSV with COVID in these protocols .

So basically , if you have a respiratory something going on , they're recommending that you're not out in your regular day life work , school , gym while you're symptomatic , or you should at least be improving and not having an active fever . There was also talk about rebound COVID . I didn't dig super deep into it .

I actually haven't heard a lot about rebound symptoms outside of Paxlovid , so I'm going to give that a little bit of a dig next .

But basically , if you start feeling worse again and or your fever comes back , you should then go back to isolating and so they're just a little looser with some of their terms and definitions and things like that and again puts more onus on the person themselves .

The last thing I dove into a little bit because I haven't in a while was actually looking at the size of the droplet right , like we're four years into this pandemic . I want more information for teaching purposes and just like general understanding , so that when rules are made or recommendations are made , we can have more of a conversation as to why .

And so very early in COVID I was digging into this stuff . I was doing . I was assisting with PPE management at the university doing presentations on what we knew at that time , and so I did a presentation summer 2020 , when we first got back onto campus . You know what the diagnosis is , how it's trans I'm having a hard time with that word .

What is the conjugation for the transmission ? Is it transmissed ? How we , how we spread said disease . English is hard , but back in , so that must've been June , june 2020 , when I was looking at transmission . There was a lot of conversation of is it droplet , is it airborne ? Is it droplet , is it airborne ? And just kind of as a blanket statement .

The WHO and CDC characterize respiratory droplet diagnoses as greater than five micrometers and aerosols which are smaller , particulate are categorized , defined , as less than five micrometers . Back in June 2020 , and I have a link to my article here they were talking about SARS-CoV-2 as being less than 100 nanometers , which is equal to 0.1 micrometers .

So back in June 2020 , there was conversation about size of droplet and it was stated that it was 0.1 micrometers which would fall in the aerosol definition , making it an airborne disease .

There's still been a lot of controversy on respiratory droplet versus aerosol since this time and early on I could really understand lack of PPE , not having enough N95s , essentially making do with what was available and utilizing PP where it was needed . I get that this far out . I feel like we should have a better understanding of this .

So I was surprised , as I was digging again , that there still isn't a ton of data research on size of the particulate . And even on the CDC website it's kind of it's like in the middle ground between droplet and aerosol and they actually had a name attached to it Novel air precautions was the terminology wrapped around it on the updated PPE recommendations .

So you know , I'm just like well , how big is it ? It shouldn't be this difficult of you know information to find out and was a case study and it was actually a super interesting case study .

I know we can't put a ton of weight on a case study , but it was a case on one person who had just been diagnosed with COVID and then they followed that person for I think it was four or five days and they had them talk , speak , breathe , sing for 30 minutes in a room and then basically check the air and particle size .

And in that specific case study there was a lot of interesting information and I think if this was done on a bigger scale would be a great study . So they basically measure the particulate of one single person with known COVID . They were able to track when they were diagnosed and then like how many days out , and the range of particulate size was between .

In total the four days was , the majority were less . The average was less than 4.5 micrometers , which again fit the definition of aerosols . In their introductory conversation they talked about other studies where the range ranged from less than 0.25 micrometers to greater than 8 to 10 .

So 8 to 10 would put you over the respiratory droplet amount and the 0.25 would put you well under the aerosol . So there seems to be variety of particulate size .

And again , I am no expert on how they are measuring it Wild study , reading the methodology they like extract it it almost sounds like they dehydrate it , take the water vapor out and then they assess it . That's well beyond my scope .

But the other piece that was super interesting about this in this case study the range was from 0.94 , hold on , let me back up . The total range was 0.34 to greater than 8.1 over the course of four days . But what they were showing was the concentration of the RNA in the particulate size , which is also something to consider .

How long does said particulate stay infected ? Stay infected because time that it's suspended and infected would also increase transmission . So that was interesting . They looked at the amount of concentration available in the particulate and the highest RNA concentration were in the 0.94 to 2.8 micrometer particulate 0.94 to 2.8 micrometer particulate .

And then the other thing I really liked was that they looked at the concentration of the particulate as well as size in each consecutive day , and the concentration was highest on day of symptom start and decreased every day thereafter . So obviously there's a high variability between people on level of infection time .

But if we could make this case study on a bigger scale , this would be great information . You'd get particulate size , you'd get concentration of said RNA , which would equal infection . You know transmissibility . That would be awesome . It would help with the . How many days are you really contagious , right ? So I think there's still four years in .

There is still a lot to be determined . The general consensus on the world of PPE is that it seems to fall somewhere between droplet and airborne , and I think you have to respect the airborne .

In my opinion , based on the things I have read over the last four years , it seems to be a smaller aerosolized particulate , which would make me lean towards the airborne precaution . So N95 plus eyewear . And it also can be transmitted via fomite .

So if I cough on a pen , remote doorknob , you know what have you and I was then going to touch that , that would be able to spread said infection . So hand hygiene is super important . High quality mask , super important . Eyewear because the eyes are another mucosal organ super important . So I think that's going to be a debate for a long period of time .

How long we should be isolating is still kind of this guesstimate range . Again , I have my original lecture up here and the amount of viral shedding was typically two to seven days , which can be as long as 10 to 14 , with the incubation period being average five to two days .

So in June 2020 , that was the information , I don't think it's changed that much and I think five days is probably that close marker as to how that virus is shedding , depending on how severe your symptoms are . So still a lot of variety . In my opinion , if you are still actively coughing , feeling crummy , please wear a mask in public .

You don't know what other people have around you and their level of risk and you know it's just spreading and all that stuff . So do your due diligence , do the best that you can and when in doubt , you know high quality mask is super beneficial . So hopefully this was a good update . The long and the short of it is that we have lots of variant names .

It's going to continue to mutate . The names right now that are around are your KP331 , your KP3 , your KP2 , your LB1 , which are descendants of JN1 and Omicron . That is the summary of the variants .

The symptoms are pretty much the same Fever , chills , cough , runny nose , congestion , sore throat , fatigue , body aches , headaches seem to be the big picture right now . Less of the nausea , vomiting , diarrhea , and no smell , no taste this time around . But again , a lot of that's anecdotal , based on what I saw on CDC and there was another , oh , it was some .

No , I can't think of the name of it Wasn't the WHO , wasn't CDC , but it's another tracker for . Covid Also alluded to more of the fever , chills , cough , runny nose as being the primary symptoms and , as we know , cdc changed their recommendations I believe it was March 1st and it's giving a little bit more freedom , a little bit more onus on

Summer Surge and Mask Recommendations

the person . So basically , you shouldn't have a fever for 24 hours and you should be decreasing your symptoms before returning to work , school life , that kind of thing , and it is recommended that you wear a mask for about five days outside of that time once you start leaving your house and such .

So much less restriction , but a little vague pros and cons to both . Again , I 100% get it , but definitely if you are someone who is more at risk and you are concerned about a summer surge or anything . High quality mask in crowded areas , especially if you're traveling or going to , like small venues . All the same stuff exists .

So you have the information and then do with it what you will . Hopefully this is helpful , though , because I know it's hard to . I know it's hard to keep up with this stuff and , to be quite honest , I thought this was the hardest time , or I had to dig harder to really get more updated information .

I guess the good news is the stuff really hasn't changed a ton , but there is some mutations that are either dampening the response or making it more evasive in some ways , and so I think it's important to know , and I think we're going to be living with this for a long time , probably forever , and it's just going to become part of our routine and you know

we'll see how it all goes . So hopefully this was helpful . Hopefully you don't get hit with the summer surge , including myself and new , updated vaccine should be coming out sometime in October which should help with the new mutations . Just some updated information there . There's no date out there . I looked , can't find anything and I think that's all I have .

So if you have any questions , please reach out to me . You can hit me up on Instagram . Shoot me a text message , an email I'm a little slow with the text message would be great or Instagram messaging , and that's all I got for you today . So I hope you all have a wonderful day and whatever you have to do , get after it .

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