The Ultimate "On Their Day XI"

Hello and welcome back to another episode of Talking . A Load Of Bulls , hell yeah . How are we everyone ?

Yeah , not bad man . Yeah , it's been a hectic weekend and stuff , but apart from that , all good .

You're living the dream . Joe's a bit of a shell .

Slight shell . Yeah Went to watch West Ham Ipswich on saturday , which was uh good fun , and then , um , yeah went to the nfl yesterday . So new york jets versus minnesota vikings . So yeah vikings won , which we were disappointed about because we were we were jets fans for the day .

But there you go , my knowledge of nfl is not not very good , I'll be honest yeah , me neither .

I do love it , but it's taken me like years almost to get into with all the rules and everything like that , so it's good fun , but yeah , I just can't deal with the stop start .

It's so stop start yeah .

I get that all the advertisements and commercials , all that malarkey and bollocks .

It's just a bit ridiculous but to be fair , the atmosphere before on your story looked pretty mad , to be fair yeah , it was class , but I do get how it wouldn't translate as well to Europe .

It's obviously getting bigger , but I get why people would you've just got to like you've just got to live with the adverse and everything like that and embrace it . But I get why , like a first time watcher , archer would be like this is a bit of a nausea .

Mate , how did Sam end up with a flare there , by the way ?

So we jokingly said because we went to this tailgate with the New York Jets fans before , which is good fun . To be fair , they were like , oh , should we all walk together to the ground ? And I thought , well , it's probably not going to be that lively , so I'm not really that bothered . But then they were like , oh no , come on .

It was class .

Singing songs . It was really good actually .

Fair play , then they gave it a good go .

Yeah , big time . So the Jets only have one song , which is J-E-T-S .

Chelsea , Chelsea , Chelsea .

Yeah , they're the Chelsea of the NFL . It's J-E-T-S Jets , jets , jets . Yeah , it actually is . Then yeah , literally . But we were obviously a lot of Brits there , so we were making up our own songs and stuff . The Americans were mind-blown by it .

It's like what , loving it by it ? Pretty funny . So what , yeah , loving it , that's class , I love it . Good stuff , though , and Chalks .

You just had a busy one yeah , man , renovating the house long good vibes , stupid panelling just take about a billion years .

All I'm going to say is more on that later . Oh yeah , gosh . Right then Chalks , what time is it ? It's bars above the week right , they are getting better Chalkalks as we go . So , Joe , tell me , talk to me .

Yeah , I'll kick things off because I imagine there's going to be a bit of a biggie coming up . So mine , to be fair , it was a biggie in itself . So Friday night , sunderland versus Leeds maybe not literally top of the table , I don't know , but definitely top of the end of the championship clash Two really good sides .

I still don't understand how it happens Sorry . I don't understand how it happens .

That's 999 times out of 1,000 . He gets that , that and he's at one . He's fluffed it . But I also didn't like there was a junior furpo left back for lead , stormed down the tunnel and I felt that was . I think everyone should be going up to the keeper there because he's generally pretty decent .

That's poor sportsmanship . I think you want to console your team . I guess Made a mistake . You didn't do it on purpose , or did he Exactly ?

Or did he yeah ? But , rumours are he had Sunderland's or draw . I was going to say check your bet slips .

Double chance , yeah , no , that's bad that , joe .

I was surprised I didn't know Sunderland were doing so well , you know yeah , they look a real side , to be fair , so we played them in the week . Derby got quite comfortably turned over 2-0 . Not that that's like the big test for them , but I did watch them and I thought they looked pretty good .

He's got a screen ring as well . He was linked with some I think it was Brentford and Brighton in the summer .

He won't be a championship player in the next few years , whether that's with Sunderland or whether that's a move away , because he looks like a real player .

Solid player . Fair play to him . Yeah , that is 90 plus 7 . That is howlers , mate Howlers .

Is that how he's feeling as well , man ?

Well , it depends if he did have it in his bed slip or not .

I've had stinkers as a goalkeeper when I was younger , and I'm pretty sure I've had stinkers as a goalkeeper when I was younger and I'm pretty sure I've done something similar like that and it's not a nice feeling .

It's not . I watched the overlap with Peter Schmeichel in it and he's talked about actually the best players . It separates the good and the great how you react to a mistake . So , yeah , that'll be a bit of a mark .

But I'll be honest , I think he's had quite a few like howlers in the past and he seems to keep going .

So I think he , I think earlier on he did . I mean , obviously I'm not a leeds fan , quite the opposite . But the um , I think at the start he was a bit questioned and then actually he was pretty solid . I think even the premier was a goalie . He was a bit questioned and then actually he was pretty solid .

I think Even in the Premier League he was a goalie . He was 19 years old when he started playing for them , so he was a young goalkeeper .

Yeah , yeah , for sure , do you know what I mean . I'm , again , not a massive Leeds fan but to be fair , he's a pretty decent goalie overall , Decent enough .

Still a ball's up enough . It is still a ball . It's a big ball though . It is Right , chalks onwards .

Yeah , man Right . The next one is young James Ward-Pras against Chelsea on the weekends , which I didn't realise . He played for Nottingham Forest . When did that go through ?

I think it was deadline day . I think it was deadline day , I think it was deadline day .

I think it was deadline day . He's on loan now , isn't he ?

Yeah , yeah , mental he's dropped off boy Should never have left Southampton . Mate Grass is not always greener , do you see ?

Yeah , but you know Good , sign in for it . I know obviously messed up this week .

But overall , annoyingly , it's a pretty decent sign in for Forrest

He was not happy . So what he'd done was he kind of slipped and Nicholas Jackson was on the way , looked like he was through at goal , and then decided to snatch the ball with his hands .

Literally just grabbed it . The best bit about it was he just stood up , walked off the pitch , he didn't even look .

Yeah , because he knew , he knew , and fair enough . I think he didn't even like it . Yeah , because he knew he knew , fair enough . I think a lot of people would do the same and look , they got a point out of it still , because they were able to firm it .

But Gerrard should have learned mate Taking tips Too soon , straff Too soon , too soon . So I didn't actually see this . Obviously , I was out and about on Saturday . What was the score in the game and what minute was it ?

it was 1-0 in like the 68th minute , I think . Let me check . And was he going one on one , jackson ? I reckon there was cover , I reckon cover .

I don't think so .

He and he's rapid he is rapid , he is rapid I reckon he would have been through and gone and probably missed 78th you had a good 12 minutes and extra time to try and squeeze a goal . I don't know how we didn't win that .

But I tell you what Cole Palmer's turn Did . I flick , oh , flick , that's it . Oh , my goodness . Mate obscene , Obscene I don't know how he does it .

He's so good , but I just oh , I don't know how he didn't win . It's two points dropped for sure .

But , mate , for us to look decent this year I don't know if you can cover your ears , but for us to look decent this year , like some good annoyingly , they've got some really good players that Maria centre-half really good Gibbs-White Surely Gibbs-White's pushing for a move , maybe because he's such a good player , mate there was one bit with Gibbs-White .

he literally just ran straight for our team and I was just looking at him . I was like what , yeah , he's close . I was actually mugging Forrest off when they spent so much on him , but he's actually turned out to be a good player for him , to be fair yeah , absolutely .

What happened with all ?

the , the slams , oh mate referees oh my god , right .

Nico Williams , yeah , kicks a ball past Cucurella and runs after it . Cucurella like blows him and he gets the ball's going harmlessly out of play . Cucurella's in front of him . Nico Williams just pushes Cucurella into Maresca . Maresca's flying over Maresca , falls over Cucurella's on the deck right , so it all kicks off .

Cucurella gets booked and Nico Williams gets booked wait , why didn't Kukere try and help up his manager ? He literally just started complaining immediately .

He was on the deck , to be fair .

Then he jumped up and started moaning and screaming and whatever . And then you just see Colwell just stomp over and start gripping him .

I rate that though , back your teammate , you know .

Yeah , for sure . I mean he got shafted , but it's fine .

No , he did not . He got shafted .

I think it was actually that Mitch absolutely just went and he was trying to move and he weren't moving .

I couldn't believe it . I was fuming . But yeah , no it . But yeah , nah , it was definitely points dropped , definitely points dropped . But moving on to more points dropped , yeah , it's not good . It's not good , mate , is it ?

like I said , I'm glad I didn't get to watch the game because I know I'd have absolute head loss .

So I honestly yeah , the first half I was actually fuming how comfortable it was for you . I was like this is mental . Brighton are actually a decent team and you actually did a job on them .

Yeah .

And then the second half came out . You could tell straight away it was like a bit of a different game , but still you were in control .

And then what was the turning point ? Did the players look complacent ? Or they were just because , like I'm not being funny , like defensively , if you go through it , like individually , I like maybe I'm being biased , but I think they're very good . But what I'm hearing is that obviously Udogi was the problem for two of the goals dead .

I think the first goal . I kind of felt a bit sorry for him because , like I think the ball got crossed in and I don't know who it was there was a defender in front of him and it looked like he was going to clear it , but he didn't , and so it kind of just came at him and he's just not connected at all .

It's just one of them ones . I think it's just like Mate the thing is you lot .

Go on , it's like inevitable , Like a goal goes in and you're just like they're going to crumble yeah , it feels like a bit of a mentality , I think , because what immediately came to mind for me was that did you both watch the Leicester game ? Was it the first game of the season for Spurs ?

So that's five points dropped there , and it must be so frustrating as a Spurs fan oh , 100% the same breath , where we're so used to it kind of being that way for quite a few times . It's like we'll play , we'll , we'll battle teams and then it'll just come back and then bite us in the ass because we think we're so good and then bottle it .

mean it's so annoying , just you're just numb to the pain now honestly , man , and the thing is doesn't make it Obviously .

I think the way we do play and when we play well , it's exciting and it's fun to watch , but obviously it has its downfalls .

I think Sandra's wrong man to say this whole second season . You win the trophy .

I was going to say that as well , but you've got to believe in your own source in the day .

Yeah , but just feels like putting a lot of pressure on though , doesn't it ? Are you still in the League Cup ? Yeah , I think so yeah .

Yeah , you nearly lost that . You nearly got knocked out by Coventry , didn't you ? That's it . Yeah , it lost , though you nearly got knocked out by Coventry didn't you that's it .

Oh yeah , it feels like you get to later rounds and it's going to be like well , if you lose , he's going to get questioned straight away . Oh , you've got two trophies , now you can win , or do you know ? What I mean so yeah , I don't know if it was the wisest thing to say personally , but I get what you no way .

Europa League , maybe , maybe who else is in ?

who are the other top teams in the Europa League ?

well , the only thing is oh Christ my mind's , do the ? Do the Champions League clubs drop down anymore ?

no , no , hmm , I could so we're favourites to win the Europa League . How mental is that ? By the way ?

I'm just checking what teams are in it .

So my mentality is , joe , is that if we win at least one trophy , if then we're up in life .

Yeah , it's a successful season . Yeah , 100% Shall we ? It don't matter , we're like where we've been in life .

Yeah , it's a successful season . Yeah , 100% Shall be . It don't matter . We're like where we've been in the last what 10 years of like , like getting close and then dropping off and then getting close .

A bit more than that mate .

Yeah , maybe more you know yeah .

Right , mate , to be fair , the teams aren't good . Mate . To be fair , the teams aren't good . There's Lazio , lyon , spurs , I don't even know FCSB , stalbukarest Okay . Anderlecht , ajax , frankfurt , galatasaray . Ozyman's going to kill you . Midgetland , slavia , prague .

Midgetland .

Athletic .

Bilbao . Decent team . To be fair , what's ?

his name Inaki Williams no , joe's going to kill you . Fenerbahce , mourinho's going to do it .

I don't know .

I don't know what I think Lyon are good as well actually they are and they aren't .

They're a weird team man very weird like that 8th in .

League 1 . They feel like they could hurt you , though .

Yeah , one off for sure , let's have a look . Who have we got ?

Yeah , I mean , I can see why Spurs are favourites , united 21st at the moment .

So we've got AZ Alkmaar , then Galatasaray , then Roma , then Rangers , hoffenheim , elfsborg and that's it .

Mate , elfsborg and that's it mate Elfsborg just beat Roma , to be fair yeah , but Roma are poor man .

Yeah , they are yeah .

Porto not bad yeah that's a winnable competition , to be fair and then the FA Cup is kind of down to how hard will the top ? Well , really , how hard will the top couple , how hard will City and Arsenal go ? Because really , if you play City in the semis and the final you've got to say they'll probably beat you .

We said that about United last year in the final .

We do , but City should have still won to be fair . But no , it's a good point . Look , spurs could win . Any could beat anyone in the Premier League on one given day . Proved that over the last few years beating City at the Etihad and obviously United away the other day . So you absolutely could . I just let's see .

Basically , yeah , no fair .

I just think at the moment Spurs are like they're just inconsistent , Because that would have been our sixth game in a row , but we won .

But obviously Sure . It's a question what would be a like , realistically , what would be a really successful season , like league position and obviously , which trophy or trophies , maybe , or maybe it's a bit ambitious Charmy , yeah , maybe it's a bit ambitious .

Charmy . Yeah , maybe it's a bit ambitious , one at a time . Yeah . So you've got to think about progression , really , don't you ? So like from where we were last year , was what fifth or sixth , fifth ? Fifth , yeah , fifth . So naturally , if if we were , obviously we're not going to win the league . So if we got one , we got better than fifth this year .

I don't think anyone could go .

Spurs are underachieved there because there's some good sides obviously in the league still exactly , or even the league still Exactly , or even for me , because , yeah , I mean , even if it was fifth again and a Cowboy Cup for me , personally , I think that's still . We're still like we haven't dropped from the progression in a sense of the league .

I agree with that .

One of the lot was sacking Mourinho before final .

I'll never never understand it me neither , but really and truly we weren't going to win either way mate , you got a chance with Mourinho , with Ryan Mason .

You've not yeah , I know , I know , I know what you mean .

It's just it's just mental . I don't understand why he done it no , I don't either . I've no idea probably just like a . What do you call it ? Just getting the excuses in early yeah , or getting high and mighty , you know chucking Mourinho off his high horse .

I don't know yeah fair . Do you know what I mean ? It is what it is Right .

Can we also very , very quickly give a shout out to DatGuyWelbs , because Absolutely flying by the way 34, . He's hit a right purple patch and he's a fair man .

Absolutely flying you flying that ? Was good yeah they're saying big up to them fair play yeah , absolutely alright , joe , we're going to move on , who can we have another shout out yeah for Brendan Johnson 6-6 .

What a bloke hit form to be fair to him what a bloke good finish I've been in my ultimate team on FIFA gosh , I like him now .

he's what a bloke . Good finish . I've been in my ultimate team on FIFA . Gosh , I like him now .

He's at Spurs as well , yes , get it . Idiots galore , right , joe , we're moving on to your .

Villa . I like that , so my would you rather player is Emi Martinez .

Emi Martinez Chalks . Obviously we're allowed to chip in as well , but Joe gets first dibs on the answer . Yeah , okay , Right , we're going to start off quite slow . And I've got to get his name up . It's Georgie Mamadashvili , you know , I've got to get his name up . It's Georgie Mamadashvili , you know the . Georgian goalie , so we've got him first .

I actually think he's a bit of a cat , to be fair , but look , Martinez , there's not that many better than him . Actually , in my opinion , he's a really good goalie . Well essential to the World Cup as well , yeah , has he won back-to-back Copa Americas as well ?

and he's been like . The thing is , he's not just like oh , he's there , he's been like pivotal as well , so absolutely and obviously for Villa Villa .

He's a big part of their success . So yeah , for that , definitely , martinez , but shout out to the Georgian goalie .

What's the name ? Mama Delechili , mama Dashvili , mama Dashvili . What a player , by the way .

Mate out of the Euros . He was insane , he's great Liverpool manager . He becomes a top goalkeeper there you go , liverpool fans are hoping he does as well , you know .

Yeah , man .

So , George , are you Martinez ? I'm still with me . I'm still with me . Agreed , Right moving on to Premier League goalie Nick Pope .

I think it's easy , but Pope is Pope should be better than he is now , shouldn't he ?

Yes .

Yeah , maybe I think he's still a good goalie , but it's got to be Martinez .

Yeah , I agree . What I found mad was when he was doing all these bits at Burnley and then he got the move to Newcastle . I didn't realise how old he was , I thought he was like well , I thought he was just a youngster at Burnley , kind of came out of nowhere , but he was actually like I think he's now what , 28 , 29 ?

Oh yeah , but for a goalie , that's still .

Yeah , it's one of those ones where , like now , it's normal because he's quite big and stuff and established , but no , he's 32 actually , to be fair , but still young . But I think when he was at Burnley I was like , oh , this is like he's . I think he must have been about 28 , 29 then .

Then , to be fair , yeah , in fairness , I thought he was like 22 at Burnley . That's what I mean .

yeah , yeah , yeah so it's mad but fair all right , so we're taking Martinez again yeah , chokes , correct , correct , correct .

Right that's true , and bad .

I think Nick Pope is just a bit lethargic .

I think he's too big , he's got a mistake in him .

You know he's been injured as well . To give him a little bit of slack true , true , right .

Number three is a weird one because not the most well known name , but come off the back of an insane season and it's Lucas Heradecki , from Bayer Leverkusen yeah , I actually think he's probably been quite good for quite a while , yeah , but just not very well known , is he ?

Do you know what ? He's maybe been at a level not at Martinez's peak . He's maybe , weirdly , been at a level for longer than Martinez has in his career , and that is a maybe , because I don't know that for sure , but I think he's been a really good performer for them for quite a while . But it's got to be Martinez .

I'm just thinking through , like how long I've played ultimate team and how long he's always been at Bayer .

Leverkusen as well sure yeah , yeah , and they've always been like a solid enough side . So shout out to him , because is he Finland's goalie ? He's finished yeah , 34 okay , yeah , he's a really solid keeper , right .

So he was at Frankfurt in 2015 . Yeah , played there for three years and then went to Bayer Leverkusen 2018 . So seven years not bad . This is his seventh season no , really solid , martinus . Martinus , still that makes sense , right , a bit of a weird one . We're easing up to the big ones , yeah yeah .

Vicario from Spurs easily , martinus easily , probably the easiest one . Yeah , really I think Vicario's a little bit overrated , to be honest fair enough , fair enough that's wrong .

He's not overrated at , to be honest , fair enough , fair enough , that's wrong . He's not overrated at all At all . Shot stopping unbelievable when he wants to . Distribution is very good as well , much better than Lloris , than we had before . No , he's pretty good . You don't even know how good his distribution is .

All you know is he's a shit-ass very good at shortstopping as well , by the way yeah , I think Vicario's better than him . Sorry , that's mental what shortstopping guaranteed he's better than Emi Martinez yeah , for me absolutely 100% are you saying you take Vicario over Martinez ?

no , because all round Martinez is better , but shortstopping 100% he's better .

You said shortstopping because all round Martinez is better , but shot stopping 100% he's better . You said shot stopping and distribution Vicario is better so Martinez is just no .

I said distribution , he's very good , I didn't say he's better but you said you don't know about Martinez's distribution yeah , I don't know .

We were just talking about Vicario you're waffling no , you haven't right , so you would take Martinez . So you would take Martinez no , I'm taking Beccario . Joe's frozen because he's about to leave . He's not even frozen , he's just disbelief .

I mean , listen , I think we're all entitled to our opinions in the day , lads , and you know we certainly are . And I think we're all entitled to our opinions in the day , lads , and you know , and I think Joe's yours wrong , so you may go on , is Vicario a top five goalie in the Prem . I'd say he's top five in the Prem .

to be fair , He'd be pushing it if not . Yeah , I'm just trying to think . I can't really think off the top of my head , right now .

I mean , maybe I'm probably doing him a disservice here . He is pretty good , but I think , Martinez , is comfortably better .

They're not even on the same level , in my opinion , anyway . So no , yeah but it because I think he's a loser .

His head's absolutely gone .

No , it hasn't actually Right . What can you do to talk waffle ?

Right England's number one , jordan Pickford .

Oh , it's got to be Martinez For a split second there , Joe , I thought you were going to go for Pickford there . I didn't .

I was about to leave . No , that would be fair for you to leave now . I actually think . Pickford for England . I think he's been really solid . But even internationally Martin has been better because he's won stuff . He's won stuff , yeah , and contributed , so it's actually just a no-brainer .

No-brainer , no-brainer .

I do quite like Pickford yeah fair , fair , fair .

Alright , I was going to go down another one , but let's do one more , because he's a very good goalie , jan Sommer .

I think he's a bit underrated . He's very underrated . He's a very good keeper . He's an absolute cat . I do actually like him . You know , martinez is just probably . He probably is like in the top five goalies in the world at the moment . Though , yeah , honestly , right .

Yeah , ganes is just probably . He probably is like in the top five goalies in the world at the moment though , yeah , honestly Right , yeah , I mean I would still do that , but I think Tomer is very underrated to be fair .

No , he is , and he never got like the big move . He went to Bayern for a bit when Neuer was injured . It was a bomb , yeah , so Killed him , yeah , but he had another one like at a high level for a lot of years .

He was at Inter now . Wasn't he Inter now doing well yeah ?

Okay , that's closer than we think , maybe , but I think it's still Martinez yeah yeah , agreed , right interesting , now we're spicing it up a bit Okay .

David Rea yeah .

David Rea , I think it's still comfortably Martinez I mean I agree , but you've got to admire it . At the moment he's doing it for Arsenal he's not done it for long enough to be better than Martinez . But tell you what , right this second he's not a million miles . Right this second he's not a million miles off him . But I would still go , Martinez .

We're doing this now . This is like current .

Yeah , I would still go Martinez . I still think Martinez is performing well , but Raya has actually been unbelievable this season . I think he's better than Vicario .

Yeah , fair , yeah , he is Fair . Wait a minute Chalks . What do you think ?

I agree with Joe .

I got it from there .

Thank you , and everyone else can see it now , so it's not me just nodding to you , fair , fair fair Right , psg Gianluigi Donnarumma .

He's got his PSG half-zip on as well , so I quite like Donnarumma Won the .

Euros . Yeah , I do think he's pretty good . Actually , Would Villa swap him Probably not . I'd say no yeah . Would , PSG swap . Maybe they'd consider it . So I'm going to say Martin is based on that logic .

I like the logic .

Yeah , that's good logic , yeah , but I actually think Donnarumma is like he might be a tad underrated .

Actually , I actually think he was like this yeah , when he was younger , and now he's kind of just like Blassoed a bit . I feel like he hasn't hit his full potential .

I think he's overrated . Personally , I think I agree with the whole like the hype that he had when he was at Milan and then , as soon as he went to PSG , fallen off .

Yeah , was out in Milan and then , as soon as he went to PSG , fallen off . Yeah , do you know as well . I think he's at the wrong club . Yeah , I agree , it's hard to cooperate with PSG that club are just like .

They're just done .

Now they're finished honestly man yeah , serious rebuild , isn't that needed mate , but they they're missing all these youngsters and they've just died .

I mean now Mbappe's gone . You look at their team and you're like it's not as good , yeah you do think that I think they've got really good potential youngsters like Barcola . I like him yeah good potential , but you've gone from having Neymar , messi and Mbappe to now Barcola , dembele and Colomwani .

Yeah .

They might have the best full-back pairing in the world , though . Just saying .

Nuno Mendes . And who's the right-back ? Hakimi , hakimi , hakimi . Yeah , good player .

I watched them with Arsenal and they looked like a real threat , those two .

Mate Mendes . I think Mendes is so underrated .

Yeah , he's quality . Yeah , he's absolutely electric . Yeah .

Yeah , fair , all right then . So we're still on the Martinez track . He's not lost one yet , is he ? No , he's not . This one's interesting because I actually think he's just generically more hyped .

I've never actually really watched him play that much jan oblak um well , I don't know how good he is right this second , but at his peak he was better than Martinez . I think he was the best goalie in the world .

he's won the league but or black , but it's yeah . I mean internationally you can't really judge Paul Barth , yeah he's been on the biggest stage , though .

Martinez , you know what , all time I'd go , I'd go all black , to be fair , because I think he's probably a little bit underrated . He's loyal to Atletico , yeah .

Been in a couple of .

Champions League finals . He's actually got a really good resume . To be fair to him , yeah , fair .

fair , it's not like the goalie can only have a certain impact of course Fair , it's true , right , we're going quite a dramatic jump now , up , Up , yeah , manuel Neuer .

Manuel Neuer now . Now , honestly , I'd probably go . I really like Neuer Like kind of changed the game a bit as a keeper . Got to go Martinez , though currently I don't think Villa would swap him and I think again , I think Bayern , just based on age , age , might consider swapping . Yeah , but all time , look obviously Neuer .

two think it's mad because it was like similar to last week with the part . It's mad because it was like similar to last week with some of the Palmer things like , as it was coming out of my mouth , I was like it just doesn't sound right yeah .

No brainer , obviously , but yeah it's interesting because we always seem to go back on the whole . You know the winning things and obviously it's a team game , but if you think like individually , as like a player like what we were saying before , with like Jan Oblak , it's a team game .

So it's kind of like , but I just think , I personally think Martinez is like amazing , I think he's top .

You know , like Joey said earlier , I think he is top five in the world but also I think Oblak's peak is higher than Martinez's peak well , we don't even know if Martinez has hit his peak quite possibly not , but right now , like yeah , but I'm saying again , I'm saying like Oblak at one point probably was considered the best goalie in the world .

okay , now we are really . This is the big three in my opinion , yeah okay so big three in my opinion . Yeah , okay , so Edison .

I would take Edison City , would not swap Edison City wouldn't controversial .

Edison's main trait is his passing , yeah , and his ball playing ability in general yeah , I actually don't think he's very good at one on one saves and his ball playing ability in general yeah , I actually don't think he's very good at one on one saves no , he's got .

He has got a mistake in him as well .

But the mistakes because of , like , the way they play . It's just like so high risk . But I think , like , if it came down to it , edison doesn't make that save in the final against Kodomwani .

At Martinez .

Yeah , no , no .

I think he does to be fair Nah .

Sorry , edison , wouldn't make that save . Wouldn't make that save . Yeah , I think he does . I don't know .

You see , I really rate Edison a lot , but I do think I think if you put Edison in another team , I don't think he gets the same plaudits .

I actually think that's right . I probably actually am going to take it back , I think , just as a goalkeeper , martinez probably is actually better .

I'll take Martinez over here .

I'm going to change my mind and say Martinez , I'm a bit biased towards City . I like City , so maybe that's why I originally said it , but I actually think you're right , shroff .

I think Edison is insane as a goalie . He's a brilliant goalie , yeah , but I just think Martinez gives you more .

As a goalkeeper .

I think you're right .

Martinez gives you more . He's a goalkeeper .

I think you're right , I disagree .

Well , he's a penalty saver as well . Like you've got to say , he's proven as a good penalty stopper . That's a big thing , 100% , and I'm not saying anything's bad , but I wouldn't say he's renowned for it Is he .

He's not known for that is he .

It's not the only thing . Obviously it's a big thing , but penalties aren't the main .

I bet it can when you're a World Cup , my bro .

Yeah , but he's everything else as well than Martinez . I'm just saying that's one example . I think he's everything else as well . He probably can play out of his feet as well .

Yeah , I don't think he's bad with his feet at all .

No Fair , so it's 2-1 there yeah , yeah fair , so there's 2-1 there , yeah yeah , so technically he's still unbeaten . Martinez , technically he's still unbeaten right , courtois yeah , courtois , yeah , I'd say , I'd say Courtois .

Actually it's closer than you'd think , but Courtois is amazing very interesting because , look , you've gone on the basis of you know right now and surely you know you would kind of go with Martinez , I thought both of you really , because I mean like if , if you know , regarding if Emi Martinez was playing for Real Madrid .

We had a lot of shit players .

He was amazing at Chelsea and he's been consistently amazing for .

Real Madrid and he dislodged Petr Cech .

What about that Champions League final performance against Liverpool ? That was incredible .

I mean , they're still , they were still a top team . Do you know what I mean ?

yeah , but you're part of that right , but if you're Madrid again , like we've been kind of judging a few of these if you're Madrid , are you swapping Courtois for Martinez ? Nah , probably not , whereas I think if you ask Villa if they wanted Courtois over Martinez they'd say yes , I think they'd pick up the phone .

at least . You know what I mean . I think on some of them you'd be like nah , but I think they did pick up the phone on this one .

I think it's very interesting considering , you know , like the whole notion of like Edison at man City , where they've just dominated the league , they've won the Champions League . Do you know what I mean ? Like it's not as if .

Like but with the Champions League , a lot of those games Madrid weren't like .

Yeah , I would agree with that .

Interesting and also that final being number one example . To be fair , he was obscene .

To be fair as well , the best teams also want the best goalie , so it's not like they're already considered good because they play for the best teams . They are also amazingly talented because otherwise they wouldn't sign him in the first place .

Yeah , it's true . It's true , Fair . I don't know if he's disconnected . No , he's not .

It's just more of a sense of You're saying the best team needs the best players , then why did you ? Even choose Martinez over Edison , because clearly they're the best team In the league . No no , what I'm saying is they're not mutually exclusive .

Just because Edison doesn't have as many saves to make doesn't mean he's necessarily good or bad , it's just . It's just the nature of the beast . Yeah , and then , but also in the same breath , he's a really good goalie . That's why he plays for City . Yeah , I'm just not so sure it doesn't mean like obviously they're an anomaly . I mean like Cole Palmer .

I don't , I don't fear a small margin . I'd take Courtois pretty comfortably over Really Fair Martinez , and I really rate Martinez . But I just really rate Courtois as well and that says a lot , because I think he's an absolute snake , snake . So yeah .

So , chalks , would you be having Martinez though ?

yeah , no , no , I was just trying to be devil's advocate and seeing why you would choose Courtois over Martinez but not Edison over Martinez . But yeah , fair nice I feel points are clear as day . Really . I was just seeing if there was an irregular . What were clear as day , really , I was just seeing if there was an irregularity , irregularity .

Irregularity , yeah , irregularity .

Irregularity , irregularity , irregularity , irregularity . There we go Bash .

You should have got Chalks to do the Georgian goalie as well .

Yeah , what was it again ? No , mamadashvili . Mamadashvili , but see right and lastly , alisson .

I think Alisson's the best goalie in the world .

Yeah , agreed but he what he's prone to making mistakes as well yeah , so's Martin , so's Martin , I mean Martin it's not as much as Alisson .

I think Alison's the best in the world . Man what ?

I think Alison's really really really good what better than better than Courtois ?

yeah , probably I'll take him over , courtois yeah that is mental .

That is so mental . I don't understand your reasonings at all , why I just don't get it . I don't understand your reasonings at all why I just don't get it . I just don't get it so you'd take Martin as in , I probably would Fair , fair , I probably would .

I actually , I also . I actually think this is closer than someone might think as well .

I think the Martin is that good the thing I can't believe , yeah , is it's taken me four seasons of doing a podcast with you to realise you're deluded .

That is mental no , the fact is right , and I find it even more crazy that you would think that you would have any slight of more of an opinion than me . As you know an ex-semi-professional footballer as a goalkeeper .

I can't believe it .

Yeah , no , I'm guessing man , so you're having .

Martinez , yeah .

Yeah , yeah , 100% .

So , chooks , where's Martinez for you In terms of best goalies In the world ? Is he number two ? Yeah ?

Yeah , I feel like he is Considering , considering I'm going off Of right now , and as well as your guys Opinions as well , over Over everyone else that you've said 100% .

Yeah , I wouldn't like die on the hill of arguing against you on that .

to be honest , I think he's amazing the thing is I'm not saying that Alisson's dead , by the way .

You are , and it's calm , bro , it's calm .

Don't backtrack now , mate . Yeah , but he has a mistake in him , like every other goalkeeper that we've mentioned , and I think Martin is less likely to make a mistake than he is . Personally , I can't tell you when he made a mistake . Maybe it was in Arsenal , but at Villa .

I mean , the one that stands out to me is against Liverpool last season in a massive game , but Martinez had an absolute clanger for them to go 1-0 . That's just one mistake , but that's just standout to me .

Well , you know what it is , Joe , is that I say a lot of things and I don't remember a lot of things .

That's why you're so good to do a podcast with , though , because you'll chuck out every opinion , which is class .

Yeah , it's how I'm feeling , joe , I mean in the moment . Yeah , it's how I'm feeling , joe , I mean in the moment . You can't deny how I'm feeling , absolutely not , and anything that goes against Struff is right , but Facts to be fair .

Right , Enough of that . So fair point . Oh my God , my mic is all over , oh this is a good setup , yeah what I did for this chat . Oh , this is a good setup .

Yeah , I know You're going to have to cut the mics for them over mate .

I'm going to hold it here now .

Okay , nice .

So what are we thinking for the next section ? It is the On their Day 11 .

I think we do the On their Day 11 and then a few controversial opinions , yeah yeah if you're happy to have you got them prepared .

I've got mine prepared well on the day 11 yeah oh , I haven't got mine prepared . I can I ?

thought that might be the case we've literally been speaking about it all day listen here , guys .

I'm a busy individual and a very high intense job , so unless I have to , I can think them off the top of my head .

Actually , how long did you play football manager for today ?

Good question , this can't go out to his employer .

I'm joking , I'm joking , You're a snake .

I'm going to call you Cordova mate , right , right , right , the chalks is . It's alright , it's all out there for you , isn't ? It yep right goalies , wait how are we going ?

yeah , sorry , go on .

I was going to say we're going 4-4-2 yeah 4-4-2 and on their day can be crossed over slightly with streets , won't forget kind of , but I think on their day , like 11 on like yeah , could be considered not like the best in the world , but like was just insane on their day like these men , proper barclaysman I've got an old premiership .

I have yeah , I have as well , yeah , yeah yeah , fuck it right trough .

Do you want to kick things off ?

yeah , I've gone a bit rogue . I have as well . There's a couple that I'm going to say , but they're lucky to be there , because there's two positions where I'm like these are proper . Like when we're saying streets , don't forget , these are staples . But I just wanted to go a bit different . But Goalie isn't one of them .

So , goalie , I've gone . You see , askeleinen , yeah , that's a good shout , that's a bit Streets , won't forget , because he was quite consistently good , to be fair .

Yeah , true , that's a bit of an RG , but I think as well on his day he was insane , so I'm actually going to match you on that .

And someone else I want to say who's not prepping Ochoa , the Mexican goalie ? Just World Cups , world Cups . Turned up , absolute cat and then don't know what he did for the rest of the season .

I have no idea what he's done . He's probably good for four years . Yeah , it's true .

I swear he's got like six fingers or something that .

I'm pretty sure it was six fingers that's getting a googly , please .

Be true , I'm pretty sure he does please be true .

I'm checking , throw a six finger . You could be right here , by the way no way am I right , jocks ? That is an unbelievable shout . Yeah , he's got six fingers . That's why he's so good blush . Unbelievable shout . Yeah , he's got six fingers .

That's why he's so good .

Mush Mad , isn't it ? I'm absolutely gobsmacked by the way I am what .

Isn't it ?

That's obscene knowledge , Right for my one , though . It's so bait what I'm going to say , I think I'm absolutely speechless .

You're going to say Paul Robinson , aren't you ?

no , I'm not , but I was thinking about him because the streets won't forget when he scored against Watford . But no , mine's even better than that . Mine's going to be Brad Friedel .

I was actually thinking him to be Brad Friedel . I was actually thinking him too fair , but again , I think he's very consistent yeah , and he's so bait as well yeah .

I think , Mark Schwartz is another one . He was , he's been about but get it like I .

I think that's two streets , won't forget , but even that , like he was in the Prem consistently for number one for 15 years . Yeah , it's true , it's true , yeah , fair .

But Brad Friedel was , yeah , top tier , but yeah , fair .

Oh , another one . What's his name ? Rob Green .

The guy .

What a guy , rob Green .

Rob Green . But again , yeah , like like Joe said , he's been about .

I have a feeling a lot of my Barclays men are going to be . Oh , it's first place probably Jolt only because they're crease and on their day they were , on the day they were sick yeah , fair and I that's all I can say right , we'll see , we'll see .

Alright , left back left back .

I am absolutely going to that archives here . Royston Drentha who played for Everton . Real Madrid . He played for Everton and Sheffield Wednesday shout out and he scored just occasionally an absolute belter , and then , other than that , it was pretty , pretty shit . So I'm going to say on his day he was an absolute baller .

I agree . The only thing I will contest you on with that , I think for Everton . I think he was a winger , what ?

do you mean A winger ? Yeah , so I was struggling a little bit with defenders . I put a hold in mid who did occasionally play centre-back Right . No fair .

So you're going in a marauding fallback .

Yeah , for sure , and I think I've got like basically a left-back playing centre-back as well . Fine , yeah .

Fine , fine , fine . You're going to slag off my centre-back big time , but there's method behind it . There's method behind it . My left-back talks . Actually you go first . Karl back of talks . Actually you go first .

Karl Eric .

Edmund , who is that player ? Don't even know who that is . I thought you were going to say Tim Bonda , to be fair .

No , no , he's a right back darling , no . So , eric Edmund , if you want to , if you want to look up his goal against Liverpool , probably , one of the three goals . I've ever seen . Is he a Spurs player ?

he is , he was a Spurs player yeah , so so you've put him in left back because he scored one good goal because it's the Barclays .

What is it ?

yeah , the streets won't forget that , bruv no , but yours literally is on , yours is literally on his one day yes , because he scored Scorimas .

Actually no , can I take it back ? Yes , yes because he scores scrimmage Actually no , can I take it back . Yes , matt Taylor , fair Respect . That that's actually a shout .

I respect that . That one I respect a lot . Yeah , nice Trough , I've got Maynard Figueroa .

Maynard , I've got him centre-half Wait .

I've got him centre-half .

That's a great shout . He's calling up from the halfway line .

Yeah what about Eric Edmund that's ?

oh , he's over for one game no , no , figaro was like he's a goated player man yeah , he played like for Wigan consistently in the prem but he won his game . Iconic , iconic Wigan team , by the way yeah , big time .

But that yeah , so I've got him centre half there you go love it .

I respect it right on to centre half .

Chilts . No , you've got to give me a minute now this is my rogue one , yeah all . I can think of sorry . All I can think of is Spurs players .

So I need to be I need to be sensible here fair , this guy was like he played at the top level for a long time but I feel like underrated and scored so many screamers . And it was alex for chelsea great shot .

I actually like I like that shout of it . Look not , it's not all just like average players . No , yeah , he was actually like quite decent , but on his day he was actually a bit of a world beater , to be fair , wasn't he ?

the thing like he doesn't get the respect because of Carvalho and Terry were our main partnership , but mate Alex played . He was a beast and he loved a screamer as well , so Love that . What have you gone for ?

Well , I've got Figueroa , and then , shall I say , my other centre-half , and then Maddell , who played for Cardiff and for Cardiff . He was absolute dogshit , but then in the World Cup he was a beast .

And into Milan .

And then he madly got a move to one of the biggest teams in Italy .

That's obscene as well .

Yeah , he was a big on-there-day lad . Fair play , I like that one . That's a in Italy . That's obscene as well . Yeah , he was a big on their day .

Fair play . I like that one . That's a good one . Chokes have you got one ?

The one I kind of remember and he seems to always do . Well , what's his name ? Matt Upton .

Matthew Upton . Matthew Upton .

Upton , not Upton . Yeah , Matthew .

Upton Heored against Germany , by the way , yeah in the Lampard game .

He was a centre-back , and the other one is going to be a Spurs player , but I don't know if it's like .

Ledley King . No , I'm joking .

I was going to say Ledley King , really .

Oh , because he never played . Yeah , fair .

Because on his day , that's actually low-key .

A good one , because on his day he was actually probably like one of the best centre-backs in the world , but he was amazing . Everyone raves about him .

He just never played , yeah off the charts .

You ready he consistently played for three top London clubs with his , with his , with his , with his , with his , with his , with his , with his with his , with his with his , with his , with his with his .

That's a good one I think he was a bit too consistent , though I do like I think yeah .

I like that a lot . That's the idea . Fair , fair , fair , yeah , but that's the thing . Yeah , I agree , my other one's a bit rogue . Go on Christopher Samba , qpr .

Oh , what a shout . He got bits at .

Blackburn as well , didn't he Mate , absolute mate , absolute unit , by the way yeah , oh mate , that's actually a great show .

I think his purple patch was at Blackburn , then he went to QPR for the .

It was when QPR like spent a load of money on not very good players as well when they had like Julio Cesar in goal .

Yeah that would have been a great show as well yeah , yeah , nah , he was , he was just amazing .

Win the Champions League yeah .

He was a goat , yeah , goated , right , right back . I've cheated .

Okay , well , I kind of cheated with Royston Drentha .

I've cheated , but go on , I'll go last because I've cheated .

Chalk . Shall we go first ?

I'm going to say Ivanovic , because I've cheated Chalk .

shall we go first ?

I'm going to say Ivanovic .

Definitely not .

I'm not On their day , mate . He was amazing . Yes , on their day , let's not talk about the game .

No , he was Mr Consistency .

I'm so confused what we're supposed to be playing .

So this is someone who generally probably isn't that widely considered to be that good , but occasionally they were just an absolute world leader on their day .

They were amazing . Paul , stelteri , stelteri fair enough ? I don't know when we beat West Ham 4-3 . He scored the winner at the very last minute and it was just unbelievable . Him , him and Steve Malbrank link up Bush .

Steve Malbrank . Steve Muldbrank link up Bush Steve Muldbrank that's a great shot .

By the way , right , I've cheated because I've gone .

I think he did maybe occasionally play right back I thought occasionally he did .

Maybe occasionally play right back , I thought . I thought occasionally he did , but mainly he was a midfielder played for Derby as well .

Shout out , did he ? Yep fair is , you know , liam the lap , who's been pretty good , that's his son and he was from Derby's Academy , but we got rid of him when we were yeah he moved to City , didn in the mud , yeah , that's mad .

So there you go . But yeah , rory , the lap had to be , he's got to be in there .

I quite like that to be fair . But again he , so he was actually like probably a bit underrated actually , like for his football ability well , everyone thought about his throws .

That was it yeah for sure .

Nah , it's a good shot . He did occasionally score a banger as well .

Right , that's a solid defense . I like the defense there . Well , mine is . Oh , you always draw a choice .

No , no , no , it's all good . This is maybe a bit of because he probably was just quite not a bad player . Glenn Johnson , I'll rate it . I'll rate it . He scored screamer .

He did play for England as well , so maybe that's not like no , I rate it because when you think of the best right backs in the world , you're not thinking , you're probably not thinking Glenn Johnson no but he got an England call up .

Got England call ups from occasionally just being an absolute baller and he was good for Liverpool as well . So I rate it .

I think that's a good one . Nice right Chalks , left midfield we're going to move into midfield now , yeah .

Let's move into midfield , yeah .

All right , I've got so bait .

by the way , my midfield is just criminally bait .

Yeah , mine is just like the most standard shoutouts , I think .

So for me I think he played left mid . From what I remember , he played for Chelsea actually and Middlesbrough Gronkier .

Gronkierbrough , gronkier , gronkier , jasper . Gronkier Jasper Gronkier now on his day he was a baller mate , that is a great mate it was between that one and Romadal from Pochola the only Romadal is an obscene shout yeah mate . That is that Middlesbrough team , by the way , with Romadal was mad , yeah , that's a cracking shout . Matt .

Hollands , scott Parker mate Romadal .

Now you're thinking you're getting confused with Charlton now , mate yeah , I am damn it but Romadal is such a good maybe he was for a bit he might have been to be fair , yeah might have been to be fair . Yeah , that is an amazing shout . I wasn't sure between them two well , gronkia scored the goal for Chelsea .

There was a few left mids that I could have gone for , but there were two that stood out for me , that kind of like .

Joe , who have you got ? Because I think Chalks is about . I think you're about to say one that I'm thinking okay .

Well , this is the the captain of my team and easily the most on their day player .

Giovanni for Hull awesome yeah , he's on there as well , he's , he's on there as well ?

Have you got him as well ?

I had him or the bait . I think he's one of the most bait as well .

He is for sure .

Yannick Bellassi for me as well , it's a good shout . I thought you were going to say him next .

No , I was going to say Pedro Mendes , but he plays more centre mid . Oh , Pedro Mendes as well .

Pedro Mendes , the shout man .

But Giovanni mate that season for Hull when he scored like screamers , didn't he obscene ? So I couldn't work out between him and Benassi , basically that was mine .

Yeah , benassi's a shout , to be honest my two yeah nice obscene right .

What do we want to do next ? The centre mids or the right mids ?

let's go centre mids .

I've also cheated slightly here , because I don't actually think they were more like flair players , like attacking mids .

But yeah , I've got a few of those as well , to be fair .

The beta as well . I've got three . Two had to obviously go in Morton Guns Pedersen , the beta one to go .

He plays left , mid though .

Yeah , that's like . This is where I've cheated .

That .

Yeah , this is where I've cheated .

That's quite a great shot there . Do both for your Straff .

Right Ben Arfa has to be done .

Straff , you've cheated there . I've got Ben Arfa right wing .

But there's another right winger that is even better than Ben Arfa , okay , fair Right , I'll take one out , I'll take Pedersen out and I'll go Alano for man .

City . I was debating him .

I was debating him .

I'll go Alano . He's got like one of the most aesthetic free-kick goals ever , ever , like a postage stamp .

Unbelievable . Yeah , fair , fair , fair . Yeah , I cheated there , but I'll go Alano then . Fine , right , chalks , have you thought ? Yeah , okay , okay .

Who else wants to go next ? Juninho for when he was at Middlesbrough .

Middlesbrough . Yeah , nice Screamers .

Screamers galore .

Screamers .

And then I was going to say , technically , on his day I think he was unbelievable and it was Stephen Ireland .

That is a shout , by the way . It's a great shout . That is a shout , by the way .

It's a great shout , yeah , but then again he kind of played that kind of attack of him all as well , so I wasn't too sure .

Yeah , but it's like We've got to squeeze him in , you know .

Yeah , yeah , you know .

Nice . I was trying to think of a defensive midfielder . That is obviously not Mr Consistency , but on his day was good , because obviously you've got players like Gareth Barry . You've got there's like a throwback of John Ovi , mikkel . Yeah , do you know what I mean ? And they're just really and truly they were ballers .

Yeah , barry's got the most appearances in Prem history , hasn't ?

he , yeah , he does .

Yeah , yeah , yeah .

So he couldn't be lacking an on their day for sure , because like this is going to be a rascal one , because it's not a throwback , but , like on his day , he was unbelievable and , I think , unstoppable , and that was Moussa Sissoko .

I thought you were going to say Moussa Dembele , because on his day he was maybe like the best people say , like he's the best player they've ever played with .

I was going to say if you'd said Moosey , then , bella , I would have been fuming because you can't be on their date no , because he is unbelievable and he's up there with my favourite player so yeah , he would be like he was actually just really good to be fair , like so many professional footballers say how good he was .

Yeah , literally , he just probably was too lazy and just could be asked , so he stayed at Spurs .

Right , Joe , who's your other one ?

Well , so I've got Bonar for right mid to be fair .

Oh , you put him right mid or centre , mid .

sorry , I'm going to give an honourable mention to . Was it Michael Johnson who played for City ? He was meant to be the next Michael Johnson . He played for City . He was meant to be the next . Yeah , the next best thing . And then he kind of fell off a little bit . Well , massively fell off .

He found booze , yeah , but my two Raval Morrison Right okay .

Because he was actually unbelievable on his day .

He was my laptop's about to die , but keep talking .

No worries , and my other one is Adel Terapt it's such a difficult because like he's more of a right winger striker , but then yeah , I know what you mean like he is a baller and I don't know he's a minor as well , to be fair yeah , because he was .

He was actually just consistently really good , to be fair . So it's a bit of a was he on their day , but on his day he was actually like amazing , wasn't he ?

yeah , well , mate , he was the nutmeg king . What ? What did you say ?

did he ? I'm talking normally . What did you say , did he ? I was trying to get your mic back .

I'm talking normally .

That reminds me when you said about Milan .

Yeah , I actually think he was . I think he was a baller , though , like , but he does fall into that on their day as well .

I think he was . I think he was a baller , though , Like but he does fall into that .

On his on their day as well , I think . I think he's on their day , yeah .

I think so , I think you're right .

I think you're right . But right wings , big one then . Oh right , yeah , right wings , I was saying yeah .

To wrap's mind , david Bentley was a shout , great shout , when Derby had that obviously worst season ever . I went to quite a few of the games . David Bentley was absolutely amazing and he got an England call-up as well .

He was top tier , to be fair .

Yeah , does that mean I can say Aaron Lennon ?

Yeah , is he one .

I'd say yes , yeah , no you probably you could just be a more rascal then go on on their day again . Ex-first player soz Andros Townsend .

I was gonna do him because actually on his day it was just like incredible yeah that volley against man City is still probably the best goal I've ever seen , by the way , yeah , it was incredible .

That's actually . I think that's a good shout . And then of one another honourable mention from midfield Oscar . I don't know what you think about that , sean .

No way .

No way , he's not an on their day , nah .

Fair . The thing is he's a baller , so like technically , on his day he's unbelievable , but like he was just awesome . He's one of the ones , like the ones that you forget , like what's that yeah , no , the ones you forget .

I've got an honourable mention . Go on , seb Larson .

Yeah , that's a shout , great shout .

James Ward-Prowse has posters of Seb Larson on his wall , mate that's what I'm saying , yeah yeah right , the big ones striker can .

I just say before we go on here .

Yeah , I think Mitch , who is like the one .

No , he's not because he , he , I , he had one good , amazing season , but I don't know if you'd be on their day because I was thinking the same . Okay , I didn't include him because on their day , because I was thinking the same .

Okay , I , I didn't include him because I was . I thought he was just the one you've always pinnacle for that was it like I've gone proper rogue and I've got three honorable , no two honorable mentions . Sorry , yeah , love it right , I've got roddy agar ciao yeah I've got bubbles again . Why do bubbles keep appearing ? Roda Yeager and Papi Sisse yeah , papi Sisse .

I wanted to do the yak . I didn't do the yak .

I left him because I was like he actually was quite good I think that's actually harsh to call him that .

Yeah , so I I left him because I was like he actually was quite good . I thought that .

I thought I think that's actually harsh to call him that . Yeah , so I've left him right . Who do you boys ? And then I'll do my honorable mentions after uh , try , ghost rocks , go on son .

So I've gone again archives there .

Johan Almander from Bolton oh , you see that goal , that from Bolton . Oh , you see , remember his goal , that goal that goal Wolves away was quality . Yeah .

And then the other one is actually my vice-captain , because I think he was so on their day . I don't know how he got such good contracts . Nicholas Bentner .

he was an idiot , mate . The Paddy Power pants were the funniest thing ever , by the way honestly , guy's a clown . But on his day baller , baller .

Chokes . Well , the players that I'm I'm thinking of or I've thought of , are players that you probably like what you just said earlier about people were to the pieces of how shit he was , but he actually was actually a baller , and that's Emil Heskey , but on a day technically I can't underrate that , to be fair , I actually just think he's underrated .

I don't know if he was . I think he was actually consistently really good . That's why he played so consistently . And then you've got Obafemi Martins . That is a great shout .

That's really good .

Obafemi Martins is an unreal shout . Won the League Cup for Blues .

That's really good . Actually , I rate that a lot , and it was his partner as well Foebeck , zigic .

Zigic . Zigic could actually be a shout for this as well . He once scored four goals away at Leeds .

Zygich mate . I forgot that I've got a good honourable mention Kevin Davis from Bolton .

I was thinking , and I thought it was actually harsh , I thought it was actually consistently not bad for him . It wasn't bad . But do you know ? But I thought he was actually harsh . I thought he was actually consistently not bad for him . He wasn't bad . But do you know what I mean ? He was like he's just there .

One England cap . One England cap and what's ?

that choice . He's weak for Bolton . Oh my God , that's Stapelopoulos .

Yeah , oh my God , stelios Stelios , yeah , stelios Stelios , yeah , stelios mate mate . He was so good , he loved to go against Arsenal as well . He was so good that Bolton team is obscene . Kevin Nolan as well , oh yeah oh yeah top tier .

I have another one but you've got in my head , joe , about Michu Amizaki yeah , I was thinking him , but yeah , it's tough , isn't it ? It's like , oh , what does on their day actually mean ? It's like the streets kind of won't forget so . I'm glad they've all been mentioned .

It was incredible yeah , but then he did fall off completely , so big time , yeah , mad though oh that was . I enjoyed that . That was throwback .

How did I not think of him , by the way . We'll try and think of another 11 to do next week that maybe no one's done before or something we'll have a think yeah , I rate it a lot .

All right , a lot right . What is the time ? All right , we've got time , I reckon , for a quick controversial opinion section .

Yeah , let's do it . Alright who wants to go first ? I can kick things off Word of way . This is a real Huh .

I'm far away .

This is a pretty common one , so it might be really quick . Neymar is closer to Ronaldo than Ronaldo is to Messi .

That's too controversial .

It depends what you're talking about . If it's legacy , obviously not , ronaldo is the second best . Well , I think Ronaldo is the second best player of all time anyway , but I don't know .

In terms of ability . Do you believe that statement ?

In terms of ability ? Yeah , I think Messi's . So , in terms of ability , do you believe that statement ?

In terms of ability , yeah , I think Messi's so far away from Ronaldo Interesting , I think he is but I also think , they were both so far ahead of everyone else .

Yeah , it's definitely a controversial one . It is yeah , I can't get my head around it at the minute , because who do you compare with neymar ? Then like below , like oh , how far is neymar to like hazard , or something like that . I don't .

No , that's a good point and , to be fair , Maradona , you'd say , was obviously one of the most technically gifted players of all time , but you wouldn't make that comparison . It's a bit of a weird one . It's obviously just trying to show the gulf mainly .

I'm not having . I think that the gap is definitely like it's Ronaldo Messi . I think obviously it's definitely Messi , but like it's much closer than Ronaldo Neymar . Obviously I'm going to say very controversially in my own opinion Neymar is technically better than Ronaldo , like technically technical ability , but obviously everything else .

I just think Ronaldo and Messi are so far ahead of everyone else yeah , fair , I'm not going to argue .

I could kind of see where they're coming from to show the point , but ultimately Ronaldo's actually probably been a bit underrated there . Like , let's not forget , like the guy's fucking amazing . Second best player ever is pretty , pretty big . So , yeah , cool , I thought that would be a fairly swift one .

We actually received another one , and it was Pep Guardiola has killed football as we know it .

I strongly disagree , right ? So if think , if you do , you agree with it .

I don't know why do you think ? No one would say that I think it's become too robotic . Yeah , so you think now how rigid it is . You've kind of lost all those players we're talking about now . Yeah , like before , like the streets won't forget , like they were , just like mad . How often does City score like ?

screamers . I think we're being a bit nostalgic , I think , but that's . I think that City are very individual in that sense .

I don't think everyone's playing like that they're the standard , though , like Arsenal now , they follow the blueprint , chelsea follow the blueprint .

I think Arsenal , chelsea and Spurs , for example , are really excited to watch . I think their wingers have a go , so they don't actually play exactly like City . Like Martinelli , for better or worse , to be fair , loves having a go at the fullback , and so does Saka . Saka , saka actually cooks players all the time .

I just think that obviously I agree with Joe in a sense of the nostalgia feeling of it and where they want to win . So trying to score screamers is it's like the more you do it you're going to give the ball away . So it's more calculated . The demand to be better is so much higher . It's so much more competitive .

So , yeah , I think it's just this whole inverted fullback stuff now was obviously started by Pep it's bloody clever , if you ask me it's clever , but it's also like it has in a way . It's also like it has in a way , he's not killed football , he's killed football the way we knew it . Do you know what I mean ? So , yeah , he probably has .

But also again , Jürgen Klopp . I know they only won it once , but that was so exciting to watch . You used to watch those City-Liverpool games . Actually , Klopp's football at Anfield was prevailing , was it ? last season like they were all over them . It was so exciting . You had balls over the top , you got Trent spraying it around .

Oh yeah .

I'd agree to be honest and so that that contributes towards it . So yeah , I think it's a bit nostalgic , but I kind of see where you're coming from .

I mean it's not , it's not mine , to be fair .

Oh sorry , I can see where this person's coming from , but I quite like watching City . To be fair , I find it quite entertaining watching them dominate teams with possession .

It does get a bit boring though .

What them winning .

No , no , their style of football is just a bit like .

The thing is , though , like if you had Chelsea doing that and winning consistently , you would be like I wouldn't be complaining , I'm just saying as , like a football fan , yeah , but you wouldn't . If Chelsea were doing those numbers and things , you wouldn't be complaining about how football's dead .

You'd be like no , I'd be backing it up , but Exactly this is the way it is , isn't it ?

No , I agree .

I think , to give City some credit as well . They've actually been involved in some seriously exciting games over the last few years .

The Arsenal City game the other day was brilliant , to be fair .

Look at the City Squares game , when we won 3-2 . Yeah .

So I think they have actually been involved in some exciting games . I think when you watch them against I don't know you watch them against Leicester , for example , or Ipswich . That probably isn't the most entertaining to watch , but probably . I watched Arsenal versus Leicester the other day .

No , it's true as well .

That is true as well , yeah .

Yeah , you're not wrong , fair , that is true as well .

Yeah , yeah , you're not wrong . Fair , so it's a controversial opinion . Yeah , I would say so , chucks .

I agree .

There we go , there we have it .

I agree .

Nice Right , Bosh . What do we want to do , boys ? Do we want to call it there and resume next ?

week . I think we call it apart . I've got a couple up my sleeve a couple actually , that got written in that we can save for next week , though , because they'll easily pass over . So , yeah , I think we call it a pod perfect love it , boys love it .

That was entertaining . I really enjoyed that on their day 11 yeah , it was good .

you know what I like doing the Wood Giraffe as well . Maybe we'll come back with another Woodgerava . Yeah , we'll do one each . We'll go back to maybe Chalks next week .

I like it .

And then another 11 as well .

Let's do . It Sounds the plan Right . Well , we'll be back again next week . Hell yeah guys . Bye-bye , bye-bye .

Thank you .