Talkin' Cowboys: Will The Cowboys Spend Big?

how are we doing? Guys? Rob Phillips in the house. Hello. Miss You're gonna talk about your trip yesterday. You want to save it? Save it? Well, save it? Hello, mister Aggie. Rob Phillips, Hello, Hello, and mister Graybeard. Mickey Spagnola is still not shaving. No, absolutely not. It's only March, that's right, That's right. I mean you're keeping it so New Year's Eve, huh. It is New Year's like the Chinese calendar or whatever that is. It's the NFL. New Year's starts tomorrow, you

know that. Mickey Spagnola. And this is I this is sort of like amateur hour. This this uh, legal tampering period. It's amateur hour and the real stuff is tomorrow. You know. That's why I look at I look at it like the real New Year's Eve when you're when you're a drinker, it's amateur on New Year's Eve. You don't go out. You don't drink on New Year's Eve if you're a real drinker. Yeah, Why there's anything going on out there? Bill? A few things going on? What's caught your eyes so far? Um?

How much money other teams are about to spend starting Wednesday's right? But again, I mean we do this every year, right, Why it's amateur hour? Why aren't the cowboys doing more? Who says they're not looking at getting things done? You know we're not. You know, we don't know what they're trying to do right now, but we do know they have a cap on how much money they want to spend. They always do that. But because say they're not going

to do anything. Um, I wouldn't go that far. No, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm amazed, Well, not really amazed. I'm the way the safeties fell. I didn't think the safeties would fall this way, as far as the order than which they went in. So the fact that the one safety that I guess I want is still available and when the music stops, I don't know if he's going to have a chair. And so I'm okay with that, you know, and I'm hopeful and if you know, if that's the case, then that this it gives them a

chance now whether they go that direction or not. As a whole other thing, I know, talk to some folks that, you know, the money was always going to be a consideration there. So if the money is the right thing for them, then maybe they can go that route and add a player for what they thought they were going to be able to pay him. So I see that

as a real positive right now. That's the thing I'm really really focusing on because if you can get that done, then now it'll allow you to do the other things you want to try and do with the defensive end. But it also allows you to focus on the draft as well. Seven by my count safeties have been signed. Ye are agreed to excuse me, contracts, none of which named Earl Thomas. Why do you think that is? That's

what was going to be my next question. I think age and injury probably has something to do with that and the fact that his agent is his agent is the same one they just got the deal done in Washington. I think that he probably saw what was going on, you know, with the combine. We get there and everybody kind of has an idea of what the market might be. He went with landing Collins first as a push, and now is now they're having to play catch up with

Earl Thomas. So I think that he probably saw where this thing was going to go with the other teams. I think the team you still have to worry about is Atlanta, and Atlanta cleared some space again, I'm talking about if the Cowboys are interested in the sky. I think you have to worry about Atlanta. Atlanta has their former You know, Dan Quinn was with him at Seattle. He knows the player. They cleared some space, so we'll see. That might be the one team you have to dodge left.

Other than that, you might have a clear run at this thing. Man, twenty four hours ago, it seemed like a different vibe because when he saw what Collins got and then he saw what Tyrn Matthew is going to get from Kansas City, It's like, yeah, world, Thomas is going to get what he wants. He's gonna get fifteen million. Yeah, and now those guys are fourteen million in a year. Yeah. Yeah, he's not getting fourteen million a year. So I understand

about the aging part. Yeah, but none of these other teams didn't sound like they made a run at him. Now they're probably again they scared. They're probably scared of injury history, and they're probably scared of age. So should the Cowboys be scared? Nah, not at all, Not at all. Shouldn't be scared him? Who at all? Because because the guy is a veteran player. I think if you get him at the price you were able you wanted to get him, that he could come in. He could help

your team defensively, create turnovers. I think he could be a leader in the locker room. I think he could provide a lot of things. If I'm getting in for the money I want and not fifteen million dollars a year, sign me up. And if it's a two year deal, sign me up. I have no problem with that for a team. If you're telling me, if you're telling me, I'm trying to have to do this deal for five six years, Yeah, he's not a fifteen million dollars year

a player? Is he an eight million dollars year a player? Two years, two years, twenty million dollars guaranteed? Is that? Is that what he is? Mickey? Are you? Are you not agreeing to that? I would when you mentioned eight million, I think I would. Okay, look at that? Okay, yeah, because what would you offer Cole Beasley to come back? How many million per year would you pay him to come back at thirty years old? So to your point, but he hasn't had two broken legs in three years.

He's been hurt though too, Yeah, but he hadn't had two broken leg the same legs. Are you broken? Yeah, I'm just to me, to me the leg When you're talking about breaks, that's a different story. That's that's that happens in football. Breaks happened. Yeah, if you told me he had blown out his achilles. They gave money to bury Church after he blew out his achilles. You know what, what are we scared of here? Let me just throw this out there. We're not buried. They didn't give Barry

it's ten million a year. Yeah, but they but they But I'm just saying though they paid for a guy that they paid Shawn Lee. Shaun Leeds hurt more than anybody in the National Football League. Let's not let's not lack like that that we don't have hurt players on this team. He's I'm just surprised we haven't heard anything about him elsewhere, Like San Francisco they wanted they they're out, they're out. Let me just throw this out there, and this I could be way off. I'm just throwing it

out there. Do you think teams might just assume he wants to come here and we're not gonna let him drive up the price against us to try to get raised Dallas's offer Das Dallas is not gonna play in a bidning war. But yeah, I know that they have a number in mind. If they can get their number, they need to go with Tayshaun Gibson signing with Houston's out big play. Yeah, they're done, They're done San Francisco.

Atlanta is a team if you're if you're into the Earl Thomas market, Atlanta is a team you're gonna have to deal with potentially. I don't know. They're off the top of my head. Do they need a safety bad Yeah, well they have they have They have a situation where again their coaching staff is big. You know, they see an opportunity to add a veteran player. Right. Second, Gibson supposedly has agreed to three years twenty two million with

the Texans. I don't know the numbers on Gibson. I just saw that three years twenty two so that's just over seven millions, so totally can I get that? Probably not? And who who's going to give him more? Adrian as Atlanta. Adrian Amos with Green Bay signed four years thirty seven. That was a big deal right there for him because he's a he's a down safety as well as Adrian Amos. Yeah, nine million, are you? And thank you? Look at the first two years of his deal though, two years twenty one. Yeah,

with his three interceptions. Landon Collins is at six years eighty four million, fourteen million a year, Tyron Matthew three years forty two million, fourteen million a year. Eric Berry is at thirteen million Yearney. It's just bet on himself and went well too. Although I just saw where Collins the first three years two million, that's real. So see what's happening now with these these numbers is that those are agent inflated numbers, and no one's talking about what

the guarantees are normally. Sure, you look at the life of the contract, because there's no landing Collins is gonna make eighty four million in sixty Probably not, and he'll get cut after two. Let's focus on our team here. No, I'm just saying, though, you gotta be better. That's that's These guys that are all getting signed are going to be gone in two years, three years. They're gonna be the cap casualties in twenty twenty one. Get ready for that.

That's that's generally what happens, right. So do you want to play that game? Oh? I want to play. I want to play the game of adding a safety. I'm not playing the game of adding players for sixteen and seventeen million dollars unless their names or Lawrence and people

like that. I'm with Brian on this, Mick. I mean, if you're trying to take that next step this season and you can get a deal with him that's a couple of years, and go for it and get a guy that can help you back there, help your help your depth, help your takeaways, leadership. Now, what I will say is if you just look at the defense, the whole defense. To me, the biggest need right now defensive

defensive line. But why aren't we talking because it's a shout talking about safe because you named all those safety it's a deep class. If you listen to the draft show, Mickey, I can give you one hundred names about defensive tackles and defensive ends. I'm going to focus on the defensive line in the draft, is what I'm gonna do. So that guy's gonna come in and and and be your starter at right defensive end. Who the draft guy, Well, you're you're well, but this market, you're right, you start

right defensive end? Is Crawford? Am I wrong about that? But you didn't want to improve that? Well, I think it was gonna be Randy Gregory, Right, that's an issue. And I don't know tanks status with the tag and the surgery and all that. When he's going to be healthy back, that's that's an issue for me. But what I'm saying is the free agent market at that position, it's not it's not a deep spot. So yeah, you might have to look at the d Somebody just signed

Sheldon Richardson for like three years, thirty nine million, Cleveland did. Yeah, Zeke Jans is out there if you want to have a run at him, very similar to mean you talk about injury history and problems with him, talk about injury history justin Houston. Yeah, but you just committed twenty million dollars to trying to sign Lawrence Exactly. I'm drafting, drafted.

I'm drafted a defensive tack or a defensive ent' I'm double dipping both, and I'm try I'll try out take a run at Earl Earl Thomas here if it's my number. And then and because you don't have a first round draft pick, you're getting those guys second, third round, fourth run whatever it might be. Might they work into a rotation.

I'm might get the polite kid from Florida that's a top fifteen talent, you know, but off the field stuff, you know, questions about him might drive him to fIF fifty eight, if that's you want to If that's what you want to do, if you want to get a defensive end, and maybe you get Gregory that before with Randy Gregory, Oh sure, and maybe you get him back for week one, but you certainly can't count on that, So I wouldn't rule it out totally might get him

back week one, but he's going to be there week eight. How about Tasher playing better? That would help? Yeah? Would you want to bet on that? You know what, Mickey? I mean, I have no really no choice right now. And then you got Dorin's armstrong as well. It's a defensive end. Yeah, candidate, I have a better chance at helping my team in the draft at that defensive line spot than I do potentially as safety opinion. You know there's a couple of names, all right, Brian, you mentioned

something relating if they were able to secure an earl Thomas. Sure, how that would affect the DeMarcus Lawrence situation? What I think that you alluded to? That? Not really? Okay? Now I know how would it affect who plays and who's a backup? Put Jeff Heath? You play, you play. You can interchange the two guys as far as would And I'm playing Woods. I'm sorry, he I'm making you. I'm putting you back on special teams where you you're do me the most good. So you're playing woods. I'm playing

playing Woods. I'm interchanging. If I have to play one down, I play one down. If it's to play one back. I play one back. I think there are interchangeable pieces there, all right, if you let's explore this Earl Thomas and how it works from a salary a payroll standpoint on the defense. And with Byron Jones coming open next year, you got to sign him if you're going to keep him long term. So would signing an Earl Thomas affect what you do with Byron Jones going forward? Don't think so.

I think they have the money to sign all these guys. I do. That's what I've been told, Nikki. If they may told you different. I think what Bill was referring to is next year. Yeah, I was talking about next year. I'm talking next year two. I'm talking about next year because there's a ramification because they're not going to have as much money available next year as they have available at twenty four million this year. Well, then that's why they need to sign the quarterback now. And you know

in the wide now counts next year you can't. It's not just this year. I understand that projection. I understand that that receiver market just got interesting, by the way, ironically, with the new guy that Oakland has and what they just paid him. So how does that affect you know what you gotta pay Amari Cooper coming up? Well, Cooper's gonna get seventeen million a year. You try to give sixteen to a bad player? What are you going to

give him? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know where you know where you're at, right, I'm not I mean trying to give sixteen million to Sammy Watkins. Come on, Actually, it's probably going to get closer twenty million a year. Yeah, it's all about it. It's all going up. You're right, because he can get fourteen this year, so he's not going to settle for anything less than that, right, point yep. And and the and the the franchise tag next year,

who would go up to about sixteen or seventeen? So he I'm in what all kinds of going numbers are out there? So take twenty million, you know, I mean, I know, I understand how things are structured, and you can get it. Sure, you give a spot, you give m a huge signing bonus and keep his number low, right, And that's that's what you have to do. That's how they're gonna do. They're gonna do that. Get ready, all those guys, all those guys are gonna get dak Zeke,

DeMarcus Lawrence. They're all gonna get huge signing bonuses and then the numbers. The one thing this owner has is deep pockets when it comes to signing bonuses. I know it counts for stuff and things like that, but he can. He can. He's got other businesses where some of these guys don't. He's gonna go from being worth five billion to four billion. No, there's a reason why he's a billionaire because he can create money. And now inside linebackers

are getting seventeen million a year. C. J. Mosley just got five years eighty five million, seventeen million a years the average. So you can worry about Jay Smith. Well, that's what I'm saying is a couple of years from down to Jay Smith has entered that market. He's what he's restricted next year. Ye you know you take down the road you talk about you know Byron Jones. Cornerback is a sneaky need for this team. If you look

at twenty twenty and what they've got. You know, with Anthony Brown, I think also too with Lewis Woozier, I don't think they're up. But Anthony Brown is up. Byron's up. Byron's up. Your Cavon in the secondary cavn. Frasier's up. Okay, that's not gonna bother me. Up, He's up. Okay, it's not bothering me much. But you got I mean, that's I'm saying. It's kind of sneaky knee down the road if you look at it. And Detroit, Detroit just agreed with a nickel back Justin Coleman. Four years, thirty six

million nickel back must be a pretty patriot connection. Yeah, yeah, Mickey's not down with all this money flying around. This is like paying a second baseman who hits two twenty five ten million a year. It's free agency. It's becoming baseball. I don't think anybody is. I don't think anybody is is. Maybe the fans are, you know, I applaud what they're doing. I would rather draft and sign my own than be bad like we were back in the day and sign guys that suck. You know, I would, I would, I would.

I would feel much better about signing Zach Martin's and Travis Fredericks and DeMarcus Lawrences and those kind of guys then I would the crap that we did back in the early two thousand. Well, and typically the teams that are doing this, they're doing it because they're trying to fill a need they couldn't fill through the draft. That's why you're overpaying. And you've got salary cap space because you're not resigning your own. So there's a reason for it.

But and I do think if there's a way there is a team that can improve largely from within. Wrote about this today on our mail bag, it's this team. Because you've got like a dozen or so starters from last season, they're twenty five years approve absolutely, I mean, and that a lot of that's coaching. You know, you got to you gotta help them get to the next step. But it's a young it's not like it's a veteran team that's kind of topped out what they can be, So that that's got to be part of the hope.

Mickey's the anti fan. He wants to just draft and sign, which I don't disagree with. Fan wants to fan wants to sign everybody. Fan wants to pay Nickel cornerback thirty five million dollars. I kind of see the fans view guys because they say, all right, this team got, they're not gonna get any better. They got to the second round with the guys they have. Yeah, this isn't new. These guys aren't new. DeMarcus Lawrence hell of a player, he's not new. What else can we do? LA signed

somebody that the other team didn't want. I get Mickey's gonna hate me for saying this, but it might come down on the coach. If you feel like your roster is really good, this might come down on the coach. Well, and maybe that's the decision that they made. Yeah, that's you know. Okay, let's see if the coach can pull this thing together. Sign a defensive end for eighty million dollars and then two years later, Oh, I gotta trade him because I can't deal with that on my cap.

Olivier Vernon, Yeah, everybody wanted Olivier. Now it's because you don't have a defensive end. Yeah, we can trade them because we can't take that cap charge. They hate Crawford too. Denver. Denver signs Keenum to two years thirty six million, two years thirty six million, and then we got to trade him. Well, how about how about Pittsburgh taking a twenty one million dollar hit on Antonio Brown. Yeah, that's unbelievable. That's just not the way they do things usually. Crazy. They got caught.

That's just how bad of a situation it was in Pittsburgh. And you're really fortunate in this locker room here at the start you don't have that problem that you have guys that are just gonna standing out. Maybe this defensive end will be a problem if it doesn't get done the right way. You know, maybe he's gonna say, you know what, I gave you everything I had there for

all these years. You know, where's the where's the you know again, he's looking at a situation where, you know, and maybe we need to research this a little bit more. Maybe the Cowboys were thinking about him as a defensive end when these these other high priced guys are getting paid like outside linebackers. Look at Khalil Mack, look at Miller, Look at what position they play play linebackers. They just restructured his contract too, by the way, Well, hey, they

flip that mechanism they do with all these contracts. Give me ten million, here, give me eleven million. Here, one of those things and I put those in this. I put to Marcus Lawrence a defensive end, a rush defensive end in the same boat as a rush outside linebacker. Would you great four defense? But myself I do. Okay, maybe the put him under those are edge rushes. Yeah,

maybe the Cowboys don't. Maybe the Cowboys don't feel like that that right, that he's the same level as Khalil Mac because they play a different position, and I don't I would not pay him. What what Khalil Mack's getting? WHOA? You just said that? You think I know. I didn't say they're the same player. They're the same category a player. Okay, I'm not saying. I'm not saying to Marcus Lawrence is Khalil Mack. I wouldn't pay Khalil Mac that kind of money myself. That's kind of the day and age we

live in, though, boys, Right, you know it's not agent collusion. Yeah, let's not. This is this is what you know. You just pray to God that you take your cap and do it the right way, you know. But we talked about it last week. Now, Daniel Hunter, what do you get He's seventy two million over four years or was it five five year? Seventy two million? I mean, that's a club friendly contract. Right there. And I'm sure the Players Association went nuts when he signed that, But there's

a lot of them probably are Smith. Yeah, that's right, there's a lot of them. Now. Those edge rushers are signing for fourteen million a year. Who probably the only reason they're getting it is because it's this um the time that they're we're in right now where there happened to be in an edge rusher class that there's not a lot of candidates there. And that's where DeMarcus Lawrence is right now, where he's the top guy in this

edge rusher class. And that's that's the quandary that the cowboys in de Marcus Lawrence are in right now because Okay, he's the top guy, unquestionably, right and so how much do you pay him? And that's what his agents think right now. Because he's not here, he will not be the first one to be signed of the five franchise rushers. I'll guarantee you that couple those cats might get traded, I think so, yeah, but they still got to get signed,

right Well, that's something. Yeah, they can trade him though, they can trade him, negotiate with an eighteen and he could have signed the tender. Yeah, but again, I mean that's how the Mac trade happened, you know. But if you're the cowboys, right, can you afford to let this dragon in MIDI? Well, does his guy want to sign? And what would you would you give up to? Just say? Okay, fine? Twenty three million a year? Because that guy is not going to be the first one to sign his edge rusher.

I guarantee you that you don't think he wants his money. You don't think he wants to get this done unless he unless he tells the guy that guy doesn't want to get beat on a contract. I get that. But what Trey Flowers got seventeen million a year, five years eighty five, so out of this class, I believe that's the the highest price of the edge rushers right there. Seventeen million, So that's the low we've already tendered this guy twenty better. That's where you're better start. It starts

right at five years, one hundred million. Yeah, now he might again the guaranteed money, that's a whole other thing right there. You know, depends on like I said, I think there, I think there's some validity to what I was talking about. I mean, you he what position does he play. Is he a true? Him? And Hunter to me are similar guys right the way they play, you know, the way they play. Both play the run, both rush the pass, or both get sacks. You know, that's what

you know. They have very similar numbers in their career. You're gonna have to guarantee three quarters of the total to get him to say, Okay, I won't take as much, but if you give me three quarters of it, that's seventy five million on one hundred, one hundred million contract. Yeah, all right, we will take your phone calls here. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to sound off. And I got a question about what does it do to locker room chemistry if you don't

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with football. You can do it because you got you know, you're playing in the fall. You got the spring semester. Yeah, but he said Brian Wansley helped him out. Great. Yeah, absolutely. So Yeah, we need to have him on maybe when we get to a kind of a slower period. Yeah. He's got a lot of camps coming up too. Yeah, all right, very good, we will do that. Let's go to Becky and Magnolia, Texas first up here on talking Cowboys. Hello Becky, Hello, mister Jones. Hello y'all. Guys. Hello, I've

been listed into YA for years. Thank you. Appreciate all the hard work you do. Appreciate that. As far as DeMarcus Lawrence goes, I love him. He's a great player, but he also disappointed with some suspensions. He has to remember that. And I listened to Brian the other day. You talk about trades. Okay, he's if he wants to hold this tape for ransom, which is apparently what they're doing,

why not trading get something for him. I know it won't be an immediate help for whoever we bring in, but at least we won't be hamstringing ourselves with that salary cap. Hell, we were in for so long. Becky, can ask you a question, Yes, sir, Rob, that's Brian. That's okay, No, no, no problem, no problem. Do you feel like, though, that Lawrence deserves the contract that he's seeking though? From all I mean, you know you mentioned about the suspensions and stuff like that, but as a fan,

do you feel like he deserves that? The front off should address that if he's reasonable? Yes, okay, right, so twenty millions a lot of money? Sure, their idea of not much is beyond my scope of thinking. Sure, but he's it's a game, right, and they're being played to play a game. Sure, and it's entertainment. I understand that that's the goring, right, But I mean, and I understand he played hurt the last two years, and he played hard and he played well, and I want to reward

people for doing things like that. He's become such a fine young leader and I'm proud of him for that, But you can't hold up the whole team. It is a team sport. Well, thank you. Yeah, no, absolutely, that's a good view of it, because most people are saying, Okay, pay him, let's get it done. Just keep thinking about Anthony Spencer back in the day. Two years in a row. Yeah, what did that turn out to be? Was that over twenty one million dollars for two years and he only

played one of the years? Well got them at right about that? Eleven million kind of a thing the second franch in both years. Yeah. Yeah, he never got to a long term deal. Never did. You never did. And he was another guy who those last couple of years, he if you went back and looked at the coaches filming on that, he played so hard to Anthony Spencer did, Yeah, you know, just like de Marcus Lawrence has the last couple of years, Cowboys have to do it's best for

them business wise. Um, but this does concern me. It just it just does, because I'm picturing the death situation in twenty fifteen where Dez didn't need surgery that offseason, but it dragged into the summer, it affected his conditioning in his training camp and he got hurt. And that was a team that was trying to go all in and win the Super Bowl that year. And so it's a it's a fine line. They're having a walk with the situation because they need him. There's no question they

need him. And the caller Becky mentioned it was Becky, Yeah, yeah, twenty million. That is the going rate. I mean that's what you're gonna gonna pay him guaranteed for one season if you don't get a deal done. Twenty million. So you feel better about him than you do a lot of other people, though, don't you in regards to paying him twenty million dollars? Yeah? Yeah, And you feel like if you paid him long term, he might be a

guy that actually earns the contract. You know, the past supposed to being a cap casually in twenty twenty one, there are things out of your control like injuries and stuff. Absolutely, absolutely, and he did. He had one suspension, right, Jess, Yeah, fifteen mentioned of suspensions and it was one four game suspension one twenty sixteen. And if you ask people around the team, after that, he dedicated himself to being a better leader on the team, you know that he took

the ownership of that, right. Talking about locker room chemistry, what does it do to a locker room when you in a case like this, like a DeMarcus Lawrence who's got respect from members of the locker room, and you don't take care of him and you sign somebody else instead from outside? What do you think that does to teammates in the locker room when that happens? Or is that a concern? You're asking us to play doctor Phil And it's only a concern if it involves you, I think.

But I think in the back of guy's minds, they're sitting there going, so what about me? When that comes up? Am I doing all this? And then I got to go somewhere else? Yeah? I think that first and foremost, I think these guys understand it's a business they really you know, Becky was talking about its entertainment and on I just much you're saying, I was thinking about, Yeah, I wonder about these actors that get twenty five million, thirty million a movie, you know, far less stressful, but

they get that they're in a part of entertainment. But to me, I think the locker room, it's it depends a lot on the type of players you have, but I think I just think overall coaches, players, they realize that, you know, tomorrow is not guaranteed, especially in this in this day and age, with the way that the salary cap and stuff like that is. You know, it's just one bad year and then boom, you're on the street. So I applaud them for making as much money as

they can. But I also feel like though that they also know they have jobs to do. That like Mickey said, you know, it affects you know, that's the way it goes. But you know, that's a tough thing to have to roll with. I don't think you'll see and they step up and say, you know, now, you know, you could say, well, if they if they you know, if they if they cut me or cut somebody else, like cut Dez Bryant.

You know, then you're saying, wow, well, if they're gonna cut Dez Bryant, what are they gonna do to me? You know, so that maybe can elevate your awareness a little bit. Yeah, well, I mean, and there are guys on this team they've made clear they want to keep, you know, so there is that. I mean, we know that dak Amari kind of go down the list, so they want to bring that security to a lot of these top guys. Just as Lawrence one just has got me not confused. But I thought this deal would be

done by now really did cast you something? Yeah, So what we did on the draft show just as an exercise, not saying that we were we were just talking about it. If it came to that by the time of the draft, would you be willing to move on from him that way? If you can affect secure a deal, if you can secure it, if you can secure a deal for him, would you trade not a deal of an extension, not an extension. It's you feel like this thing is gonna go along again, This is an exercise we're talking about.

We're not We're just talking here. We're not trying to immediately say, oh, talking cowboys, just trying to get rid of Yeah, for the aggregators out there, but I mean, you know, just for just for that, you know, you you seemed the most most well worried about that. Yeah, because I want to keep him, I really do, because I think their pass rush starts and ends with him. I mean, especially with what's going on with Gregory, but that's just a defensive line play in general. Yeah, just

what he does for those guys. M No. I mean, I want to try to get something done, but I'm also trying to project this labor surgery, how many months it's going to take him to get ready to play football, and I want him a training camp. So I'm holding out hope that they can get something done in the next couple But said, you're surprised they haven't got something done. I thought that it might get done by the March

fifth franchise tack deadline, and it didn't get done. And you know, they made an offer that combine week, and they talked a couple of times and it just didn't get there. For whatever reason, Nick, I told you the reason the agent didn't want to do the deal. We want to even want to be first in. He's not gonna be. I hadn't thought about that, honestly, I really hadn't, because I because Marcus wants to get paid well, Soddes Bryant.

But when did that deal get done the same time, the same time Damarius Thomas's deal got done, same exact deal. They got done within twenty four hours of each other. Bill you trade, if you, if you if you feel like you can't get there, Oh, I got it. I gotta figure out how am I replacing a replacing the production. That's my issue, and that's the biggest issue I have. I don't have a problem if if there you you see an impass here. As long as you're not, your

team is just as good, if not hopefully better. Your team's probably not gonna be better. Get rid of him. But if you say you can add two picks, so you can add a first and a second, that first better being the top ten, it's probably not gonna be.

Probably not going to be. Because think about this, they were average when he came to sacks this year with him, with him, with him, they were average, right and the and the guy ranked second with six Gregory is suspended indefinitely right now, or the highest value, So you basically almost have taken if he's not there, and assuming Gregory, I don't know, but that's almost half of your sacks

with those two guys. The deal, you're, the best deal you're going to cut on something like that is going to be after the draft, next year's picks because those picks, those draft picks, as you get closer to the draft, those those draft picks are more valuable. Yep. And then that would go against everything. That's why Khalil Mack they got as much as they did. One of the reasons they got as much as they did for Khalil Mack was because the timing of when that trade took place.

They would not have got that if it was a Draft day trade or you could take a third and a fifth. Well, there you go, there's a third and a fifth for Antonio Brown. Unbelievable. Well, that's just your team wanting to move on, right Yeah, I understand that's trade him to a team that probably can't hurt you. But you're kind of in that in that boat. If if you reach a contract impass with DeMarcus Lawrence, the team basically is wanting to move on and trying to

get as much as they can for them. You know, yeah at that point, how did how did the Patriots get away with it every year? Is because of Tom Brady and the head coach. That's the feedback I get on Twitter when I'm just I'm I'm just asking because

I did it with Chandler Jones exactly. They move on, you know, and and I'm surprised that more teams don't look at that and say, you know, we're not going to pay this guy, but we're just not not just him, but any any type of player that they have like that. And it's a fascinating way to operate. But you know, I guess idiot reaction. Oh they got bell and Jack

and Brady. We don't have BELLI, Jacko Brady. So yeah, but there may be that may be one of the reasons Bellichick and Brady are so successful is because they're able to all right, instead of having Chandler Jones for the last three years, they were able to sign I've listed it last. There's no question ten guys and guys yeah they have been signed over the last three years who have contributed. Who are they weren't signing during the legal tampering period. It was a week or two into agency.

So should you be turning your players into more players? Should that be a should question? Well, I mean I'm not I'm not advocating that. I'm just saying, should you should you take? If you do, if you're drafting players like the Cowboys are instead of resigning them, trading them into more commodities, is that is that a better way to operate unless you have Unless you have a Breeze, a Brady, a Rodgers or somebody like that. I mean taking taking to Marcus Lawrence and turning him into three

players in the top, say, the top fifty nine? Does that help your team more? I mean, I'm just I'm just I'm throwing it out there. To Bill's point, I don't know if it helps you initially right off the bat, right, you know, and and so, and to me that that against it goes against this next step philosophy. They're trying to get to the super Bowl. Yeah, but the fan will tell you by not signing anybody in free agency,

they're not they're not getting any better. But if I'm with you, though, but what the Patriots do is they take instead of spending that money on a Chandler Jones they're spending it. They were signed a restricted free agent Chris Hogan. Okay that year. They I can't remember the other names that they've they've signed. You know, they traded for Kyle van Noy. They picked up veteran guys who they knew would fit their scheme and fit their locker

room and so forth. And that's why they study. They study the draft, and every team does this or needs to do this. You study the draft not for just that draft, but for when those players might come available four years from now or less than that. Yeah, and I'll do I'll due respect of the Patriots, they draft well, but they draft well in part because they get so many picks. You know, they don't hit on all their picks. No, no, if you if you look at their picks, they really don't.

They don't draft well. Imagine if you're the Cowboys and you keep and you do draft well, and you keep turning your players into kimanis just keep going on and on and on. It's that secondary market on free agency was where it is where they hit their jackpot. There you know, they're filled their deeds and it doesn't and it actually doesn't take away from their immediate team Okay, yeah, you know they're drafting. I mean they're they're getting those players for now, you know, and what they can do.

They've just lost that. They have the two highest paid offensive linemen in the last two free agency periods have been in New England. It's amazing, both of them. That's why. And and and the one guy certainly wasn't worth the money, which when Browners sold our Solder and Trent Brown either But and there they goes to, we got a great offensive line Scronekiah and then they've got and it's that

quarterback getting rid of the football so quickly. And then you know, and it got Trent Brown four year, sixty six million or whatever it was, Giant Giant Giants. It was terrible. It's hard to use them as a model because they're not here. And that is where those who Brady, that's where maybe they're just better. Maybe they're just better than everybody in the National Football League. The way they think that the patients that they play with. You mean,

they're not interested in signing. I mean, yeah, would you talk about having a plan can't play, you can't pay. What you can't start doing is paying good players like they're generational players, and that's what they do. They have good players, but they don't pay them. Is the Marcus Lawrence a generation? Okay? And that's where I was going. So for this team, probably so yes, because they've been trying to find that guy since where got injured. The

ward had to play that that seat. So it's been almost eight nine years without having that guy your quarterback. What do you mean pay him? Well, I don't know that you got to pay him like he's worth twenty five million a year going right. I know it's the going rate. I'm just saying, but did you earn it about the Nick Foles contract? Ridiculous? I didn't see it. How much? Eighty eight four years, eighty eight million with a chance to get it up to one hundred and

two million? Yeah, going right? Super Bowl MVP jatty two to twenty five million a year. And Jacksonville went from a AFC championship game to you know, having a bad having a bad year, and now you got a coach that's kind of you know, in trouble there. So I and for a guy that has not played and been productive for an entire season, this has got Matt. This got some Matt Castle written on it. This guy's what a super Bow, But you can't say that. I shouldn't

say that. But he has been great in that system with that coach. Yeah, and so yeah he's gonna go outside. But everything outside the system, he hasn't been great. Right, he got lucky, he tried to quit, played good against the Patriots. I think he got lucky, Mickey, But he found the right situation. Yeah, he won a playoff game, what was it, fifteen to fourteen? A right way that won the super Bowl. I know he's a Yeah, you're right,

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Jake ben Wat chimes in on Tom Brady, Never mind the discount. Tom Brady gives that New England franchise a contract stamp about ten million dollars worth a discount, right, that's a good point. Discount. I just saw his thing. Just he's gonna rocket, He's gonna sign a new one. I think I think he's got another. No discount, Well there has been in the past. Well, yeah, because he got his money up, it's still count I believe it.

He still counts like twenty seven million against cap. Yeah, though his pay is Oh, we don't have to guess bill, let me look it up. Yeah. I think I looked it up last week, and no discount. That's that's the thing about even guys of his caliber, but Rogers, it's like it's a little bit of a burden man to have to work around that number. You better draft well because if you don't, you're not fielding the right guys around him. His base salary was fourteen million dollars. He

was pro rated twelve million dollars. He's got a one million dollars roster bonus. His cap number is twenty seven million dollars ago it is what it is. Discount Yeah, family dollars story. Yeah, you want to guess who the second highest paid players on the Patriots, Um Gilmorehead Gilmore, that's right, Stephane Gilmore. Yeah, yeah, fourteen million dollars captain on him. There's there. Their salaries are amazing for their guys. They're all like seven eight now they did what does

mccordy Devin mccordy. Devin mccorty is at thirteen for safety thirteen there's a safety that they pay thirteen four two. Yeah, absolutely, high tower, high tower, Billy. You know this team pretty well. High towers at ten nine. Yeah, what's birkhead guy? He's going to the last year steal Bill. That's a family friend for Bill. I'll try. We had him on our show the other night. He's got a great by the way, for you who live locally here, um, he has a great h It's the Team Jack Trifecta coming up on

April sixth in Plano. It is a five k and a youth camp and a three on three basketball tournament and it benefit pediatric brain cancer research. You recall he a friend of his from his days at Nebraska. They won an sp for the story of the kid Jack Hoffman at the time he was seven years old and in the spring game at Nebraska that he ran for a touchdown. And it's just a heartwarming story. And he's now thirteen fourteen years old. Jack is and he was at the AFC Championship game. He was also at the

Super Bowl. Anyway, that event is coming up April six. Let's go to Rob in Las Vegas. Your next step on talking Cowboys. Rob Hey, you know, out of the big four, I call him, you know, dak Is, meet Lawrence and Cooper. I think Lawrence is the most unproven. I mean, Cooper's first two years with the Raiders was really good. And last year if we don't get to the playoffs, you know, Zeke is a two time Russian

Champ's gonna get suspended. Would probably be three for three and Dak say, which he does, played a position at four and he wins. So when I look at these guys, I agree the salary, we lost you and we got some breaking news here for me and Rappaport. Yes, Cole Beasley Buffalo bills seven point two five million dollars a year for four years. There it is. Yeah, the Cowboys and that whole thing they were unwilling to they agree to. Yeah, I agree, Yes, the Cowboys run willing to go over

six million dollars. I was told there they kind of kept their number. And all hell Beasley wanted was guaranteed money. So that's so that would be four years, twenty nine million dollars gold Beasley to be Buffalo Bills. And they just signed John Brown as well, three years twenty seven million. So there you go. And actually you'll get to play third Banana. You get to play him next year then, right, Yeah, basically let's come back here. Yeah. He wanted to get

whatever he could get it. Yeah, and he got it. Yeah, Cowboy Colboys just didn't want to go over six million dollars a year. That's what you get due to math on that contract. Then the Cole Beasley, Yeah, what kind of math would you like on it? It's seven point two five a year. Moving to Buffalo, Okay, all right? Paying state income tax? You know, I've never heard anybody, you know, we talked about state income tax. I've never heard a player an agent talk about that. Well, because

they don't know. I'm just saying though, I'm just saying that people talk about it as a negotiating until I think there are four states in this country that don't pay state income tax one of them. Yeah, And so I never hear an agent talk about that he can learn of Texas because where does the agent d C. Where does the agent live? Well, that I'm saying, though, I mean that's that you never you never hear about that. I mean, to me, it would make sense. But to

some players. The other thing to make it never was going to work out with him. He wanted to be used, utilize more. How he just went where John Brown went. Well, I'm just saying, we no other plans. He just doubled his pay. He doubled his pay. His contract was for here it was four years, thirteen point six million dollars and he just signed for four years twenty nine million. More than doubled his pay. He had a four million dollars signing bonus, and he was guaranteed seven point three

on that contract. It's good for him over four years. How many years you say it was three four? This contract is being reported as four years twenty nine and a half. That's all the details we have on it right now. Cole Beastly, you know the Buffalo Bills, he didn't Josh Allen the quarterback. Yeah, the guy came in from SMU, undrafted, all those things. You know, you got good years out of him. Thirty years. That's the that's

the thing. Now you just move on, you know, you go and find so Yeah, so you go find a guy you're doing. Yeah, you go find a guy, you go draft a guy. You know, you got a good pro department. They found out the human log for you. You know, you trust what they can do. Maybe come maybe you got some guys on on on current on the roster that could do that money. Randall Cobbs gonna

get that's a good question there. That is a good question for if you did, like a one year deal with him something like that, I would kind of like what Oakland did with Jordy Nelson. Sure. Sure. At this point, the projection would be Hearns in the slot. Yes, you know, you could play Cooper in the slot too, though. Jerry on the bus and Indie talked about how we're gonna

move him all over the place. You should, you should, you should make it very very hard for him to for people to cover him, is what you should do. And they moved him around some last year. Ye, yeah, they did. Um. And by the way, Hearns he's starting to work out. Oh yeah, he's out there in the captain's days. Yeah, so's he's back on the field running. Do you guys have interest in bringing back Tabon Austin.

I've seen him around the complex a little bit here too. Um, now that you've lost Cole one year deal, veteran minimum thing. Absolutely yeah, let him be my returner, let him get in camp. Yeah yeah, let him be that guy. I'm telling you this. The draft has got guys in there too. If you want to sit there and look at you

got an extra competite story four. You know that'd be a good spot to grab one of these kids right there, you know, And and to me, you know that's that's you know, you got what you had at a Cole Beasley congratulations. You know, move on, try and get a little bit better there if you can. And you got the guy coming off ir right, Um, the wide receiver. Yeah, yeah, he's not a slot guy or outside. He's outside and playing a little in college, but he's not not that

shifty guy. Exactly what the guys they have on their roster potential slot guys are. Well, you could say Alan Hearns would be one guy because you watch Jacksonville. That's kind of where you evaluated him right there. You look at Cooper would be a guy. What about Lance Lenore? Yeah there's another guy, you know, I mean they love Lance Lenore. Yeah, maybe he's not. Now Lanceloor practice is really good in the game. Sometimes he stinks, so you know, we got to figure that out. But yeah, I mean,

I trust me. You listen to the Draft Show on Thursday. We talk about slot players all the time, guys that can do both because like it, and Isabella is a but you think he might be actually fifty eight or yeah? Watch him? Why I love I love studying slot guys. Well, watch him play against Georgia. He holds the all time record against Georgia that they're at Sanford Stadium. If he call like fifteen balls in a game, I'm I'm like, did he drop one here? It's like no, you know,

can't do it. A great job of producing on the fly right here, that's Andy Isabella right there. Kind of a short guy. How high is he gonna go? You know you might have to grab this guy at fifty eight. Now again, would you take a slot player at fifty eight? You probably wouldn't. But that's kind of where this is at. And like we're talking about a Hearns or a Cooper. You don't have to typecast yourself. You can try to

find out both. If you're If you're gonna take a guy wide receiver at fifty eight, I take the Samuel Kid Mickey's guy from South Carolina because he could play in the slot devot. Mickey's guy should have kept Switzer bottle. Yeah, a pretty productive sea Pittsburgh. It wasn't bad. Yeh, that's right. Johawk Ward's working out though, so we're good. Yes, that's right. That pass rush, that he thing that worked out produced you look good. Note tas he looked real good. Was

all OTAs it was about the pads. So when are the Cowboys going to sign somebody? What's what's your over under on? When they're going to sign this sweek him outside the building this weekend? Yeah, this week in position. I think they're gonna sign the safety, the safe. I think so, whoa, we've saved the best for last year. I think this brought us the safety, you know, the

University of Texas. We live in a day Adrian Phillips, but we live in a day and age where you know you're you're wrong for ten minutes and then that somebody you move on. I'm gonna tweet that Brian brought us says this weekend, Earl Thomas, I think what's gonna happen. You have to survive the next couple of days and then you're gonna see, You're gonna see you know, you see. Okay, what do we need to do to Yeah? And again this is I'm just I'm I'm speculating that the Cowboys

actually want to do this deal. If the Cowboys don't want to do this deal, I'm gonna look like a fool. That's okay. So what kind of money I think they they will, They would do it if it was for their number, that's exactly. Yeah, I'd say, what do you think? And if he doesn't find another landing spot, he's see that's what I'm saying. If you survived the Atlanta thing, it give me today, give me tomorrow. By this weekend, we very well could be talking about Earl Thomas signing

with the Dallas Cowboys. He needs to. He needs to move on a deal though, doesn't even for how much month before the chairs run out type thing? Right? Oh no, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's running out a team, but they've run out almost he Okay, if you're Earl Thomas and you and you're playing now for and you didn't get what you wanted, don't you want to go where you would be happy. He's got Chris Rochard here, he see you know, he feels like, oh, that's a good

scheme for me. They'll take care of me. Heck, they just did a survey on where agents did a survey about where do they want their players to end up? You know what the number one team was, Alice was the number one team and he just moved. I heard Austin Austin, right, Yeah, he's Austin. You know. Let me say this again. This is just I think that by this weekend, I'm I'll step out on that limb that they'll they'll get a real time because I don't think he's gonna have a place to go. I don't and

I think he's gonna come hat. Doesn't that scare you? Nah? You know what scares me? Nobody else wants him. You don't be saying Patrick's Day parade it will be you know what. You know what scares me? Nikki is given eighty eight million dollars to Nick Foles. Yeah, yeah, I can I can live with paying sixteen to twenty million. I can I can live with that. Sixteen to twenty million guaranteed two years. I can live with that. You gave Cedric Thornton twenty million a couple of years ago.

Thank you. How will it be packaged though, I mean, what will You're gonna have to probably guarantee it. You have to. You can guarantee the whole thing if you want, or you can. They talk about injury, you can announce it is three years, forty five million, sixty to twenty years. There you go, and then and then he doesn't have to swallow his pride, you know, or just give him. Yeah, put up the deal like Tyrn Matthew, three years, forty two years. You know, you're not competing against anybody now,

it's it. It will maybe Atlanta, but he's gonna come hat in hand. I'm just shocked by this when Tying Tyron Matthew couldn't get a deal last year and then he gets this monster deal from Kansas City and Earl's still out there, and I'm surprised because of age and injury. That's because he wants to be a cowboy. Well that's what I said. The teams just as soon. Maybe go with me on a signing. I mean, you don't go

for it. No, no, no, it doesn't be Earl. It just could be anybody, anybody out there you like, Well, that's the guy I want, Okay, rob Anybuddy, Yeah, yeah, I am. I'm signing Jeremy Parnell. Okay, one year? You want Cam flemingback, Mick, No, he doesn't one okay, one year. That's not a bad name, by the way. Parnell absolutely good. Okay. And jack it was not bad at all. Shouldn't he get a lot more than and he got cut? Yeah? Then a backup role here. Yeah, he got a pretty

big deal from Jacksonville. Yeah. Yeah, it got's back when they had all kinds of money. Yeah, now they don't have Now they don't have any money. Yeah, they needed to pay a quarterback. That's my point. Doesn't mean he's a bad player. Restraints I am, I'm Mickey, gave Earl Thomas. Let's do it. I just you know what, I just think this weekend again, we need to figure out though. We need to get Atlanta out of the way and

make sure that and then and they have Keanuneil Demante Kazi. Yeah, and Ricardo Allen and Kazi was just he was a reason why they lost the other when we played him always hurt. Yeah, that's another reason why. Yeah, they just need to They just need to structure the contract with a lot of incentives in it. If they do it, he's play. He's missed nineteen of forty eight. They need to do it like they did the Sean Lee contract. Yeah, but yes, yeah, but you know those games that he

does play, he's a badass. Yeah, nineteen nineteen forty eight, the last foot for three years, three years, forty eight six, Britt Brown, Jim Mara. They'll take care of him. He'll be fine. Journalism math, all right, I think we've run over our time. No Cowboys go wait, wait to talk about the Earl Thomas signing. Next to it was Beasley's fear on talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.