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What before I get to any of that, let me let me be cause I'm I need to slowdown, gym shop. I am. I am a little excited. I'm here with my brothers, my usual suspect, my guy who has his own island. Here's Rob pe trn of that pe all gold everything. Yes, the island. Rob Phillips uh and my guy always to my right are in front of me. Former Cowboy and Super Bowl champion and Jim owner Champ is here. The Champ is here, Isaiah Stanback brother, how

are you guys doing today? Well, we're good, We're good, and you know what, Kyle's doing his thing out of town. Why but he's in spirit with us right now. They just passed the postseason overtime rule for Kyle just now at the spring meeting that they do exactly what he was asking for it. It's probably gonna make everybody. I don't know the total ins and outs, but it says both teams now get a possession in the postseason ot not regular season. Somehow, I think that's gonna change after

next season. They're not gonna be pleased with that either. Yes, and Kyle Yeoman's is in New York visiting his fiancee's family, who's probably threatening him every thirty minutes. So good luck with that, Kyle. We will make sure that we do a good job in your absence. But guys, let's talk about it. Had an opportunity to hear the interview from owner a general manager Jerry Jones in Florida. He was holding court with the media and had some things to

say about how he is putting this team together. But I thought what was most interesting was his discussion on evaluating but ten to eleven players and the harsh, well, the difficult decisions that he had head and p I'm gonna start with you, but what were your thoughts on the interview? Man? Well, you're right, we got some insight on why Amari Cooper's not here anymore, why Randy Gregory is not here anymore. And it does come down to

what you just said. He talked about how if you've got ten or eleven guys taken up two thirds of your salary cap, you gotta get your bank for your buck. Now we can we can debate whether, you know, like an Amari Cooper is featured enough in the offense to get the bang for the buck. That's a whole separate discussion with a Mari. But that's he feels good about what their cap situation now is, and actually scribbled this now with some chicken scratch, we are better with our money,

with our resources, we are better. We're in better shape than we were this time last year. So basically, and I mentioned this last week, what they did with Randy's money, which was going to be roughly I think fourteen a year, fourteen million a year, they resigned a bunch of guys and brought in Dante Fowler and James Washington and fit that under the cap because they do have a lot of needs. Quantity. Quantity is kind of what they've been

going for. And look, you can debate whether that's the right strategy or not, but that's that's that's where he's coming from. And in the words of Steven Jones, we got three players for one player. So Isaiah, I turned to you, and I want to ask you philosophically, as as a front office, with the substitutions, the addition by subtraction that they made over the last couple of weeks, where are you as far as the way that this thing has started to shape up roster wise going into

this season? Are you think you think they're making the right moves? These are tough decisions that they're making. Are these decisions that you would have made if you had that hat? No, no, no, they're not decisions that I would have made. But I understand it, you know, And I always, I'm always understands that you don't have to like the decisions that are being made, but you have to understand that, I mean, you gotta respect them. And I think that's where I'm at right now in Cowboys Nation.

I think that Jerry Jones and the rest of the squad are doing a great job. I think I said that last week in terms of creating value, they are doing a great job in that people don't like to hear that because the superstars have left the building. Some of the superstars have left the building, and I understand the attachment to that the big name players, guys with big contracts that followed, guys weren't being utilized to the value in which they were being paid. And that's the

angle that he's speaking from. I don't believe he's speaking from the standpoint. I hope he's not speaking from the standpoint and saying that these players weren't worth what they were getting paid. I do believe that he's standing behind the scene. At least from my perspective, they just weren't utilizing them. So if you have a Duly truck, right, you got a Ford, you know, F three fifty and you know you got you got the Duly, you know, and you're putting gas in it. Yeah, but we're great sponsors.

But if you don't, if you're only driving to the grocery store, what's the point of having a big boy truck, right, If you're not if you're not putting anything in the back of the truck, if you're not pulling anything, there's no point of having a truck. Or get a golf cart, right, or go get some go get some small They weren't utilizing their big boy you know, in terms of Coop. He was capable of so much, but they weren't utilizing him. So if you're not gonna utilize him, get rid of

that and use that money elsewhere. And I think that's exactly where Jerry Jones is coming from when he was speaking about the speaking on those matters. And I think they've done a great job of finding value with those funds that they were going to have tied up. And Randy's a little bit of a different story because that deal, it was damn near done verbally not signed, but but they wanted and I think they went up from what they were offering initially to get that done. And then

we talked about it last week. There was whatever happened there that I think obviously Randy Side was not happy with some language in the contract whatever, and but Jerry talked about how there was still some discussion that it might get done. He spoke to that yesterday and then ultimately said El Paso, we're gonna pass on that, We're gonna we're gonna move on, and we're gonna fill holes with that money with multiple players and and and Almari.

They just wanted they clearly they just wanted to move on. From Mikey Wise and I'm glad you bring that up, man, because when I read the word el paso, I'm gonna use that and everything and then I do from now. Wouldn't met the butcher block when they offered me passo at this I mean to me, that was just reading in between the lines that that was, you know, hit the road, Jack and and Jerry's terms. And it seemed like Randy Gregory was the one with all the beef

by not signing. We heard so much from him basically saying that, look, you know, these guys tried to cut in language and stuff like that, but but Jerry just made it seem like I just wasn't gonna do what they were asking me to do, especially if they wanted more money. Is that the take that you got from it? Or did you think that it was just one of those things where it got contentious and he threw his

hands up. I haven't. I have not asked anyone since I heard that, but I my first thought was it probably had something to do with the structure of the the language, like maybe maybe if they taken some of their standard stuff out, then maybe Brandy would have come back. Um that apparently that was that's not part of the Denver's offer, that that language wasn't in there, about forfeiture language and all that stuff. And Randy said, well, I'm you know, nah, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna move off

of that. And and that's that's the weird thing about it was after the start it came out that this is language that is universal. Everyone sort of has that in their contract and Randy just obviously wasn't having it. But guys, if you've paid attention to the fan base, they are pissed off. Hey, there's no other way to put it. They're disappointed in years past. I don't think I've ever seen in years past the Cowboy fans just pissed off at the front office by moves that they're making.

Are not making free agent acquisitions and all of that, and they haven't done that in a decade or so, not making a splash. Do you have faith up until this point that there will be some type of big trade happening in a free agent acquisition or do you think they are fooling themselves by thinking that they can get everything that they need in the draft. I don't think they're done. I don't think they're done. I don't

know how many more big splashes. I think if you're gonna get a big splash, I believe that it would come in the form of like a Bobby Wagner. I think that's what And I don't think that they have the money to spend on Bobby Wagner, so that would be a big splash. So I think that they obviously have some key areas that need to get shirt up. Some players are no longer available on the office of line front. Guys are being in scooped up left and right, so it doesn't seem as if they're that aggressive in

that nature. But you've seen some of these numbers also that guys are getting, and the reality is their salary cap situation doesn't allow for them to go out and sign the big boys that everybody wants. That's the reality. Everybody that is that you have circled on your list that you want on this team is going to demand big boy money. I mean, we're talking at least probably fifteen million dollars a year for most of these guys.

Do they have that, no, sir, Rebob. So the reality is the Cowboys are going to have to build this team through the draft or through some trains, which the trades are problem not likely at this point in time. So you're gonna have to go find some talent that's sitting around at the house that didn't get the big money that they were hoping for. Right, free agents, you don't like like Vanders, Right Vanders, They say, hey, go out there and test it out. Oh there's no there's

nobody out there. Okay, yeah, come on back home. Right, So they don't have to look for some guys like that that are just sitting around hoping for the big opportunities, and then scooped them up on some some very friendly deals. But that's how they're going to have to add some veteran depth as well as adding some players through the draft. But there are some very key roles and positions that have to be addressed, and those are very risky picks

in the draft. You started talking about tackle positions, you start you started talking about you know, you know linebackers. You know the key guys in a linebacker rush guys. These are guys that you can swing a miss. You can swing a miss. If you hit it, you hit it. But that's a high probability, you know, even in baseball. Three hundreds are good batting presenters, but you still missing seven out of ten. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, I don't.

I don't think they're done either in free agency, but I don't I don't see a huge swing and a big game changing guy come in through free agency. I think they're draft meetings start Monday, and I think that's the larger focus will shift to that pretty soon. Um. Mike McCarthy was on a conference call with the media. He did not go to the spring meetings in Florida this week. Dave Hellman was on the phone with him. Shout out today for helping us out there. Um. And

and they're going to Bama's Pro day tomorrow. You know, he's he's gonna be knee deep in draft stuff. But I think they've still got things to do in free agency. They got to get a kicker. They were hopeful to resign Greg's rline on a more probably more team friendly deal. That did not happen. He went to the Jets. Um. He acknowledged that that interior offensive line, guard center or wherever is a spot where they could use some help in free agency if it presents itself. I know, you know,

but like you said, who's who's out there? Will Hernandez just signed with the Cardinals. He was a guy that could be kind of you know, I think you could view him as a as a stop gap, a cover, cover yourself guy, bridge player and then going to the the way they do this, I mean, that's James Washington, perfect example for the receiver position going in. Um, those are two spots that stand out right away. And but but yeah, I think the heavy lifting at this point's

got to go through the draft. But we've got a Pro bowlers signed since we has met? Correct, didn't we sign a Pro Bowler back? Which Pro Bowler? Yes? Freaking Anger? I'm sorry, Yes, you got? I mean we got. How are you just gonna just disregard a pro two of them in the whole league? My bad? Yes, Anger is back. Anger the kickers back right, three millions. He's one of the top two players in the world. I'm sorry if I didn't just either. Yeah, that's hey, I know. But

he changed the dynamic of this defense last year. He helped them out a ton. Tell you what, there are some games in December I'm thinking New Orleans and they just couldn't get anything going consistently. Offensively. He was a big part of with him winning these ugly games down the stretch. But feel position ball control, we did a lot of that. But nothing sexy so far. No, no, nothing sexy. And it's one of those It's one of

those times in the off season. I got a picture of the night professor when his wife trying to come out on sex. He said, what are you doing that, Curtin role? Nothing sexy happening right now. And I think from the outside looking in, everyone is kind of like, how do you think you're going to fair with this? And it going to coming into twenty twenty one, no

one had the expectations, especially with the defensive line. I think you still kind of had some confidence in your offensive line that was probably misplaced, but I think that's where you had the most confidence. But just from the outside looking in, it just seems as though status quo may not get the Cowboys where they need to be, because if you look around the NFC East, they're getting

other teams are getting better. I mean, they have the cap space and they are bringing in players that that doesn't make you nervous to think that, oh, we're just staying status quo right now, and not making any stride. No, it makes me nervous. It does. It does because and while they have signed a couple guys to fill some spots, and it allows them to be a little bit more

flexible with their cap like they want to be. Like okay, like to your point this time every year, fans playing on Twitter and especially my mail bag inbox, I'm kind of doing this when I'm opening and because it's it's tough.

But I think you're right, Like I think, I think fans are even more frustrated, at least a group of fans that we see on social media are because you throw in not only their strategy, and you can debate whether it's the right strategy to have in free agency, but they've they've lost Tomari Cooper, they lost law Collins, they lost Randy Gregory, and and there have not been signings or additions that make you feel like, well we upgraded, certainly not upgraded. You filled the spots, but you know,

but like Jerry said, we weren't better yes yesterday. He said, we weren't better before the draft, until we got Michael Parsons, or until we got Ceedee Lamb two years ago. I think they're saying, wait and see, we're not We're not done yet. But no, I mean they're It's hard to look at this roster right now and say, well, they're they're better than they were last year. I don't see that on paper. I don't see. And some of that frustration also stems from the fact that you see how

other teams are getting more bang for their bucks. And I'm just saying, like the Trek Tyrek Hill trade, I mean, think about what Miami gave up for him and what we got for Amari Cooper Adams. That's a whole a nother subject. I'm just saying, why did we why did we give up so much leverage pe in that situation,

even with Leo Collins. I mean we basically let this guy walk, and we gave up a first for Coop, got a fifth for him, and I mean literally like, we're not And even with Randy Gregory not able to get anything if he's gonna leave, We're not. Even this is not a sign and trade. He basically essentially goes and we get nothing. Well, Randy's different, yeah, because he's unrestricted and he could just he could just walk. Um

diamari one. I think people look at that one eye opened right now because the Tyree news that happened with Miami, um Davante Adams goes to Vegas and and they get a nice haul of draft picks, right. I mean, I think those guys are I think the differences. Those guys

are top five like game changing players. And this is this is gonna probably sound like a knock on a Mari Cooper as not because I think they should have kept a Mari Cooper, but those guys are have been game changing players for teams that have won Super Bowls, are competed for Super Bowls lately, and I think that's that's where the difference is. Um And it's kind of a what have you done for me lately? League? You know, and and a Mari he didn't have a big year

last year. We can debate why, but I think it's I think those guys are considered at a different level. Plus the Cowboys, it was well known the Cowboys were probably gonna move on from Amar if they heard, you know, and I don't there wasn't any report out there that, oh, there, you know, the Chiefs are gonna cut Tyreek Hill. I mean, I don't think that was gonna happen. I think the Cowboys gave up a lot of leverage by letting that

information kind of leak out. And Isaiah, I guess my question to you as a wide receiver, and you if the Cowboys already knew they were going to move off of Amari Cooper, why not get something bigger for a guy that you put a first You traded a first four, and then you see later that teams are getting you know, first, second, third, I mean future picks. And I like what you said. You know these guys are game changing receivers, But I'm sorry when we got Amari Cooper, wasn't that the thought

process that he was that game changing guy? And if he's not, he was twenty eighteen. Hem was the reason you got to the playoffs. So I mean, let's say three through five, where is Amari Cooper in the list of great wide receivers in the NFL? And I kind of look at it just just to finish up to me, there's it's like talking about quarterbacks, like there's a difference

between like Dax and excellent. I think he's an excellent quarterback, but there's different levels, Like there's guys, there's Rogers, Brady's you know, and then to me, that's where a Mari is below those guys and what they've done the last couple of years. I think that's when the Cowboys obviously feel the same way, because they didn't they weren't willing to push money into future years on Amar's deal and

say hey, you're gonna be part of our future. They felt like, based on the production, we're gonna move on. I agree. I think Tyreek Hill is obviously he got what he should have gotten. I mean, he's that dynamic of a player. You look at DeVante Adam and say he's that dominant of a player. Amari Cooper is very capable. I'm not putting him in that same conversation with them simply because those guys just single handley can disrupt the game. I think Amari Cooper can too, but they can in

any system. So to that point, yes, I feel like the Cowboys still should have gotten more value for him. Now, should they have been able to get a first and all these other No, but they should at least been able to get a third round pick for him, A couple of third round picks, you know, But I think that it would have needed to happen during a season, because as soon as the season ended, we're got out and everybody's looking at their salary cap issues. Amar's chances

are he's probably not gonna He's not being utilized. It doesn't seem like killing more cares for him, you know whatever. All these rumors about what he possibly said about Day, all this kind of stuff that started coming about, and you just realized that you were losing all your leverage in terms of your ability to actually trade him away because teams were like, oh, we'll just away from him

become a free agent. Yeah. I agree mainly that, but but I also wonder maybe if his contract has something to do with it, because he's got three years left on a deal that a team, some team has to absorb. Davante Adams is on the franchise tag, you can rip that up and sign him to whatever you want, and Tyreek was on a very team friendly one year left on his contract too. I think it's a little different when you look at financially. Maybe Cleveland's happy. Cleveland's very happy.

Yeah they are, And obviously they're gonna use Amari Cooper a lot differently than we did. H And I like what you just brought up just the details of how those guys's contracts were expiring, and obviously on the franchise tag, and those guys were completely different our guys, meaning the guys that were here. But I love what you said as well, when you led off by saying that, Look, it's like having a dully that you only used to go to the grocery store and now you send it

to Cleveland and it's a car hauler. It's doing all the hauling horses and heat, showing you how basically showing you how to use this thing. And I think that's exactly where things are going in and for us, I think the fan base is really ticked off about the lack of compensation that we could have gotten. What are you about to say? Do you think I'm Mary Cooper is happy right now? I think he is today. I think he is. He probably. I mean, Deshaun Watson's a

terrific quarterback. He's I mean, they're gonna be a good offense. I think he wanted to stay here, though he did, and you know, you saw the Cowboys or the Browns restructure his deal as soon as they brought him in. It wouldn't have surprised me. If Marie would have been willing to do it, Tank did to stay and get a new, restructured deal, maybe you take a little less at you don't think that was presented to him. I think they were ready to move on, honestly, and it's

not that they don't think he's a good quarterback. But again it's it's a value and all that stuff. And if you look at if they were to restructure. We talked about this in the mail bag today, Nick and I. If they were to restructure and push more money down where his cap figures ballooning in a couple of years, well, then all of a sudden, Ceedee Lambs deal is up. And so how do you make that that work? And they're willing to say, look, Ceedee Lamb can be our

number one guy. Whether we're skeptical of that or not, we've we've covered this, but they're willing to do that. And they I think they think they can go on the draft and find another Michael Gallup and Mike gets healthy, he's your number two, and then we develop another young guy because they've done it. They've done it in the past. They've drafted two receivers that they both feel good about well they feel, they feel firmly in their beliefs and

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Everyone is letting their true feelings be known about how the roster is being put together. But coach Mike McCarthy was not at the annual meetings, right, and they took the pictures of all that they had coaches, And was he hanging out with Taker? He was noting missing in action? I mean Taker was here. No, he wasn't hanging out with taking later he was here at the middle of honor. Oh not here, but okay, yeah, yeah, I'm just imagining, like at the training table, just I saw the excitement

of your eyes. He saw that it's a twinkle and he didn't even call me. Yeah, damn it. So Mike McCarthy's missing, Yeah, all right, not missing. He's he was on the phone today, he said he was yesterday. I wrote my notes down. He said he was going back through the red zone offense today and so well, not at the meeting, he was. He's watching film man, trying to get better. There was only twenty eight guys in the picture, so there's four guys missing. There were four

guys missing. It was four guys missing. If you go back to the picture, there's twenty eight guys in the picture, so four guys were missing. Can you identify who those who? Little bit Chris Belichick? I know three of them. Yes, Belichick was one. Belichick skips the breakfast usually, Yes, he never takes the picture. Okay. Dan Campbell, who just got announced to be on Hard Knocks, was not there. McCarthy. I don't know who the other one was, so okay,

tweet Rob if you know who the last one. Yeah, everybody's only talking about Mike not being there, you know, But there was four people that weren't in the picture. So Let's talk about Mike. Okay, Mike, about Mike. Let's talk about Mike, because Mike wasn't there and everybody's concerned, and obviously coach Belichick has it has you know what you want, infamous for not being at any of these

things and skipping them whenever. But for coach Mike McCarthy, it kind of gives you the, I guess, the twinge of man, I am coaching my butt off. All right, look at me. I'm busy out here looking at red zone tape and I am on the road. Is this a man that feels is though he is coaching for

his football future here in Dallas? Because if you turn on the radio, if you read any of the articles, he is basically lamed duck and that there there are other guys won't say his name, that are going to be a TV this year that are waiting on him to just for his demise. So why are people so

comfortable with disrespecting coach Mike McCarthy. Well, I mean, the way the season ended, there's I mean, like you said, there's as much frustration with the fan base as we've seen in a long time, because it's just another year on top of the year since ninety five when they got it done. I think, yeah, I'm sure he feels pressure. I mean, this job you do everywhere. I don't know who doesn't except for maybe Belichick because he can kind of do whatever he wants. He's a made man. But yeah,

I mean I think he absolutely does. And I think he is trying to show. He spoke to it on the call this morning. This is the biggest class draft class in a long time because of the COVID rules. They're trying to dive in. Man, he's trying to be do whatever it takes to get back to where they were not fall short. So or he realizes that he doesn't have any salary cap money. It's been our free agents and he has to do his home work to find some some jewels in the draft? Does that too?

And for I mean just asking you, based off of your experience, is that something that most head coaches do instead of their assistance scouts, that they're out there boots on the ground making these things happen. They're all working. I'll just say that all coaches are working. He didn't miss that meeting because he was watching film. I'm not sure what the reason was, but I know for a

fact it wasn't because he was watching film. They have these things called tablets nowadays, this crazy technology, and they said they give them to you go on road trips and you have access to cloud. There's a thing called a cloud and you can pour down all the files that you really want to watch. So he can do that anywhere he wants to. I don't, So I don't

know why he missed that meeting. Why are people hard on him while he's a head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and the Dallas Cowboys haven't won a championship in a very long time, and that was probably the most stacked roster they've had since I would say that I played here back in two thousand and seven. So the fact that they missed on a huge opportunity, Yeah, people are gonna be all over his head, especially when you're

in the limelight like he is. So at the beginning of the season with the roster that we saw, you your expectations for the Dallas Cowboys were what oh, I mean, the NFC championship was supposed to be just a sea walk. There's a sea walk through that and then get to the playoffs and take care of business. I mean, I don't, I don't, I didn't, I don't can't remember exactly what I said at that point in time in terms of I didn't have super Bowl written on their forehead, But

I mean I expected him to get passed the first round. Yeah, at least or to have the buy. I think for me, it's it's really weird to hear an NFL coach that was Yeah, I was sorry. That was a huge that the buy is where a lot of my weight was. Yeah, I was very disappointed. Probably get that by right, they needed the buying, but but just hearing the disrespect for him, um from from media, media from media, just basically saying that, you know, this year obviously wasn't the result that he wanted.

As a coach, everyone sets their expectation on the Super Bowl.

But let's just say, hypothetically, if Mike wasn't the coach of the Dallas Cowboys and it was Lincoln Riley, a coach like that, right, and he comes in, he goes six and ten his first season in the COVID year, You're probably giving him some grace because of the COVID year, but then coming back and getting a twelve and five winning the division and going to the playoffs having the same results, disappointing your expectation would be a lot different

your I guess disappointment would be a lot different. Mike McCarthy is the fifth winning this coach active coach in the NFL, and no one mentions that at all, the number of NFC games that he's played in the Super Bowl that he has. Everyone else gets that mentioned besides him,

And I think that's the disrespect that I'm talking about. Well, that goes back to you know, Green Bay and playing with Rogers, and you know, when you have a quarterback who's a first ballot Hall of Famer that's kind of running things like you do you get enough credit, you know? Or is it just Aaron doing most of the work.

So I think that's probably where it comes from. But yeah, I think the frustration too, Like you just said, he's got he's got the resume, and that's they didn't bring in a young guy or a Dan Campbell to build with its to win now because and part because of his history, I can get teams to the super Bowl and that didn't happen. So yeah, I mean that's and that, like Isaiah said, I mean that is part of the job when you coach here like that, that is the expectation.

He he understands that he's coming from Green Bay. It's just a bigger market. And people call for mister Jones to step down all the time. He got five dog on rings, you know what I'm saying. He got rings on rings, and you know, but when was the last time he had one. It's been a minute. So people are calling for his head and they're like, oh, cowboys,

cowboys aren't doing nothing. And he's the greatest greatest owner in NFL history, right, So I mean, people are gonna call for your head of success doesn't follow, and it's coming off a roster as stacked as this one, and for them to lay an egg the way in which they did, yeah, there's gonna be a ton of scrutiny,

and very deservingly so. And maybe he's trying to send a message to his team by not coming out here, because he did say, like we saw the overtime rule, but there there's not much that the coaches are doing this week. There's not a lot of voting going on this week, and compared to pass spring meetings, and maybe he's trying to send a message like, I mean, we got captain's workouts going on. I hear that the offseason voluntary program starts next month. I'm here. I'm busting my ass.

Let's go, okay, Robbie. I'm just oh, well, yeah, I'm here. I'm not promise you that, but we needn't clip that. Please, I'm here. I'm busting my heart that, Chris. Please. So aside from obviously the obvious days he's out, he's out on the road, he's finding guys, he has his tablet out at all times. He's looking at the red zone. Alabama tomorrow, Alabama tomorrow. This guy is living out of

a hotel room, private jets, which that's not unique. By the way, I've gone to that meeting in Florida and I've run into Jason Garrett ten years ago in the gift shop and he's like, yeah, headed down to Tescaloosa tomorrow. We're flying on the way home or flying stopping there. I mean, that's what you do. It's Alabama. Who doesn't go to that protay. But but no one ever questioned

where Jason Garrett was. There were those were never tabloid front that was that was never Newsworthy What Jason Garrett? What clapping convention? The clapping convention. I'm just I'm just saying, I mean, think about the difference. Right now, everyone's asking the question, where's Mike, Where's Mike? Where's Mike? No one ever asked why Jason was at dude getting you know, clues in from Sachski. No one ever asked what was happening. I'm just saying, like, why is it so different for

for this guy? And what do you guys? Nothing is it? Is it? Nothing short of a super Bowl that will save him? Is that? Where we are? That's the expectation. That's the expectation every year. But I'm just saying, like, literally, if we're sitting back, hope, that's the hope hoping expectations.

Roster was set and people saw the product on the field and saw the culture changes specifically on defense and how that it really rolled over into the offensive side of things, and saw the early killing Moore who still had gifts in his bag. I think the expectation rose to at least second round of playoffs, first round of like NFC Championship and first round playoffs, and okay, now we need to start talking about Okay, now we're talking

about the NFC championship. Now we're talking about possibly going to Super Bout. That was the expectation once those first couple of weeks kind of went by, because you saw what this team was capable of, and you saw how, how, how how the continuity was really coming together with those guys. So I don't care who the head coaches at the

Dallas Cowboys right now, I don't. You could you could say any of the names that you know that we know are out there right now, and I don't care if Sean McVay, it still would have been the same. I mean, if if it was a failure, it was a failure to launch only home team to lose in the first roup. Yeah, and that, yeah, that's probably where it stems from mostly. But I look, I didn't I did not have I didn't have Super Bowl expectations for

this team going in the playoffs. I I really did not not expectations because I thought this was as balanced and competitive as NFC as we've seen in a while. And San Francisco has championship medal man and they showed it, and they came within an eyelash and beating the Rams two weeks after that, they went to Green Bay. I didn't feel great about the Cowboys if they had to go to Green Bay. I didn't feel great about them winning that game because they couldn't run the ball effectively

up there and down the stretch. They couldn't run the ball. I can't get clapping convention out of my head. I don't even know it's a good one. A lot of technique of off, a lot of technique. So over the last couple of weeks we have seen coaching vacancies get filled and the Dallas Cowboys brought in Brian Schottenheimer, a guy that you were familiar with. I can't wait to hear what you think about that higher who's coming on.

He's replacing Ben McAdoo who left for Carolina to be the offensive coordinator, and also ran A Stewart who is the special team's assistant UH taking the place of Matt Daniels who is now with the Vikings. And so just kind of giving giving everyone some some information about those coaches UH and why those UH spots were actually field robot, I'll come to you. Well, yeah, I mean, like you said,

Stewart comes from Green Bay. So there's a history there, UM, and you know Fossil has had a right hand guy and UM in the past, so they were going to fill that spot. Matt Daniels was highly regarded here, so wish him the best. UM. As far as Brian Schottenheimer, I think it's it's going to be similar to what Ben McAdoo here did here, and people were making a big deal out of this. Look, it's it's not Kellen

Moore dan Quinne need help. No, I mean, it's it's it's a game planning addition, it's a guy that Mike McCarthy worked with from the moment he got in the NFL. I mean, he knew his dad, Um Marty, and worked with him in ninety eight in Kansas City, and it's an opportunity for him to come here and help out, I mean, and be another set of eyes for to help out some of the younger guys on the staff, to help with the weekly game plans, looking ahead, stuff like that. Not a big deal, UM, So that's that's

that's behind it. It's funny that you mentioned coaching and the pressure on Mike McCarthy, and I do think part of it is because it's gonna have to come through coaching, Like we said, like we they've they've made some some solid editions, a couple of solid editions in free agency, but they still got holes to fill. It's not looking like it's going to be as deep as a roster. Coaching's got to bring that together. We saw what Dan

Quinn did on defense last year. It's got to come through coaching and coaching guys up and guys taking another step forward at ceedee Lamb taking another step forward. That's where it comes from on this roster that they're going to be better than they were last year. And these aren't coaching vacans. This isn't a coaching position that they created.

These were vacancies that they field and so I believe, and so Ben mcadoo's position was basically following league trends and game planning and so making sure that the team was if there's a Sunday Thursday game, that they are already up on who they're going up against next. That was Ben mcadoo's job. What is it Isaiah? Isaiah has this look? So yes, there's an assistant to the assistant. So this is the way we're putting this together. And this is the guy that's going to help Kellen Moore

right the ship and get this offense clicking. Baby, really, OK Yeah, I mean there's a lot of jobs in the NFL now, they just kind of make things listen. He has a great resume in terms of places that he's been experienced, He's had quarterbacks, he's had the opportunity to work with. So I hope that he can come in and add something to that quarterback room. I hope that he can bring an element that Dak needs to

help him with the development of his game. And maybe that that's a key portion to the putting them over the edge this year. You know, to your point, you know, that doesn't look like they're gonna have the roster depth that they need, but maybe they have the coaching depth. Maybe the coaches are able to have that much more of an impact and it affects the product on the field. But I'm just I'm just baffled by these coaching positions

that just keep getting created. What you just described, every team has that without having that position as of a coach, Every team had these the offensive you know, assistance and

all that kind of stuff. They work weeks in advance, weeks in advance you could be in week one, they're breaking down week six like that's how far off and these guys are because by the time yet game actually approaches, they're handing you a folder that has all way too much information in it, that has analytics broken down by personnel groupings on down a distance third and third and one to three versus down in four to you know, third and four to six when this personnel versus this

personnel grouping. This is the percentage they blizz this like it's so much information. I don't even know how they do it. Let to sit in and just learn for a second with a check. Uh. But so, I mean they just figured they just found a role for him, They just wanted them on the staff, and they just created something. Now with your experience, you obviously being a Seattle native, what do you what are your what have been what has been your observation of Shottingham. I don't

have anything to add, honestly. I mean, he wasn't there when I was there. He was there later on in a you know, twenty and eighteen somewhere around there. Um, he's had an opportunity to work with Russell Wilson. So I'm hoping that there's some things that he could take from that, um, you know, to bring over to help with Dak's game. And that's I mean, hopefully that's the element that he brings. I would assume that that's the leadership aspect that they're hoping to bring into that room

to try to take some of that off. Maybe there's needs to be a buffer between Kellen Moore and Dak, whatever it may be. But hopefully he can be that guy that can be the dog on angel on Dak's shoulder to help him make good decisions and that angel that he definitely needs, that good angel on his shoulder. But the thing is is that when you look at Brian Schottenhammer's coaching record in twenty eighteen when he was with Seattle, that was the year that Seattle was leading

the league in rushing. I mean, which is a passing coordinator guy and all that. I think that's kind of a you know, action team man, absolutely a play action team. And I also like what you said about Russell Wilson. I think if I've always had the equivalent of a game like comparison has always been between Dak and Russell, which I think Russell obviously has the incredible arm. But at the same time, I think that that's the correlation between the two. He also had a stint in Jacksonville.

But nothing about this bothers you guys from a bringing in new coaches just status quo. You're basically saying that, Look, this isn't anything new, this is what you know guys do anyway. But but does that set the table for what we've been talking about for Mike McCarthy, as you alluded to before, Like, look, this is going to be a coaching challenge, and just like Dan quinn, Uh, these guys are gonna have to bring that level up, uh, in order to keep I don't want to say keep

their jobs, but you know, obviously elevate this team. Now, look at the offensive line. Look at look at I mean, they're gonna have a new left guard, whether it's a draft pick, whether it's a stop gap veteran. They're gonna probably try to bring us in competition at center. Um, they got to still got a young guy and Terrence Steele, who's the right tackle. Like that's they've got to take a step forward. And that's you know, that's largely on

Joe Philbin too to coach up that room. So um, it's a it's gonna be a huge factor and in whether they can take another step forward because I still think there's talent on this team. We talked about, like Jerry mentioned the ten to eleven guys, it's a fifty three men roster, and they were they were fortunate last year to have as much health as they did down the stretch. You can't count on being as a healthy as they were. Dream yeah on January for a future year.

And so I love the question also that was asked h Jerry about what you know we're doing in the draft and his thing was, yeah, I'm doing offensive line unless there's a Micaul CD sitting there, which which which I don't believe any of it because you know they're they're going heading in a whole nother direction. But Michael, I just just off the cuff. I gotta ask at left guard, why hasn't Connor McGovern been given much consideration

there at left guard? I mean everyone was was was, you don't have the pump poems out for a mid mid season and now that's all dissipated and going away. Come on, I say tell me something. That's your guy, that's your guy. C. Matts n I have done it against McGovern. I think he's a good player, but I think I think you have to bring somebody in who's just either just was a complete dog in college, like they're just like he has an attitude like I'm a dog and I'm McNasty and I don't care who stands

in front of me. I don't care everything. They've been in the league for teen years and I'm a rickie. You got to either bring in that type of guy that's just physically imposing, or you have to bring in a veteran who's a sure thing that can add to what you have going on. Um to the left of him with with with a big, big tyrant and you know, to the right of him, which will be obviously, UM, I just blanked out, Uh, what's our center? Be honest?

So be honest needs help. Be Honest needs that. I don't think that we're gonna see a replacement of be honest. I just think that they're gonna try to add somebody that's gonna support him. Right if he has somebody, he got a little limp to him right now, right, I think he didn't need somebody to thank you very much. I appreciate that. You know what I'm saying. Now he'll

be stable. You know, it's kind of like this, kind of like the old school table at the house that you had to put a little he had to put a little piece of paper underneath because of wobbly You know, if you go to a restaurant and you gotta put the little poldo, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, here you go. We gotta fix our wobbly table. But now I'm gonna always see him as a wobbly table. Thank you. He works, He just needs a little support.

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as Will Smith. We've been slapping for about fifty minutes already, and come on, let's just get it out of the way. And was strong. It was a strong hand strong, very strong. Let's let's just get it out of the way, the walk up, Let's ask this question and we can move on. Who was more in the wrong, Chris Rock or Will Smith. It was so embarrassing, period, I don't you know, it's really hard for me to kind of place it and

pick aside. I just it's embarrassed. It's an embarrassment. It wasn't embarrassed complete, you know, but his disregard for Chris Rock's face at that point the Batman followed through. Yeah, but that's what could mean though, that is that's that's Chris Rock. Chris. You assume that he knew she had that, Yes, very much. That's fact. No fact, you don't know he did. You know that the word is the word is he didn't even write that. The writers wrote it. Oh he

got slapped for something somebody else. That's insultant Toffy's so upset about it. Hey, but the technique was flawless. If you're gonna slap somebody, that is the proper way to slap somebody. As I've seen that in the hood, grown up. This is true. This is a thing that has happened a lot. But here's the question, Pete. Has anyone ever walked up and slapped you in your face? Um? Have you ever been slapped in your life? Ra? Not slapped.

I've been mushed, not mushed. I've been boomed. Oh you got a boot since we're on them, since we're on the super side, since we're on the super bad train. Here, Oh beat somebody in the big mood. Boy, I need to dump this. It's from Nick, it's mclovin. Now, it's not mclovin, it's the other two guys. I mean, how does that go? What do you do after that? I mean, that's a loving thing. That's not that's not that's not fighting. No, the boopy, but the boop might be more disrespectful than

the slap. Actually, one time I accidentally slapped the guy playing basketball. It was an accidental slap. I went to go upside the head, kind of like whoops upside a hit, Yeah, kind of like Billy Hoyles style, you know, And I went low and the guy just laughed at me. He just laughed. I thought I was gonna get my kicked, but he just laughed at me. I don't think I've ever been slapped, so he didn't boop you no boop, no boola boop is love he wow, have you been

have you been slapped? Man? Let me tell you you somebody will need a doctor and I will need a lawyer. Don't that's not that's not the business. That's not the business. And I think, you know what, that's what I'm just saying, like, that's I've been man, not that's I don't even I don't even know. A finger in the face, a finger in the face to get your finger dislocated. But you know, that's just one of those things where you slap somebody. It's so disrespectful one to slap anybody. But we knew

he was a slapper. We need a slapper when he was on the red carpet and in the in the dude trying to kiss him. He slapped that guy and he slapped somebody and he slapped what's your name in hitch. He's a slapper. But I didn't know that. I go back and check that ou individual slapper the guy who kissed him in the mouth. He yeah, it was a

backhand slap. Yeah, it was like it was a backhand I mean that's the guy that you hey, that's you macloving too, right, there baby, because that's not a bo I mean, I just look, man, I will say this and end it all, is that Chris Rock showed a lot of restraint by staying on code and still handing out the award after that was last. That was impressive.

You could tell, like right in the moment people thought was this is this a joke until you could talking, But yeah, you could tell with his reaction like it wasn't. But we talked in the break like they gonna take his oscar away? Yea, they will? I man, I hope not they will. I mean it was gonna suck, but they will. They have to setting an example. And speaking of setting in example, we have a guy here in

the building that has man an undertaking. He has with probably the biggest number on the team, wearing number eighty eight, and the pressure is right on him, especially now with Amari Cooper being in Cleveland. You alluded you talked to it, talked about it as just saying that, look, the team was going to make this decision to move on from Cooper anyway to allow for Cede Lamb to have the

opportunity to be a number one receiver. But Isaiah, I've got to ask you and your observation of Sadarius Lamb and the job that he did and obviously his coming out this year being an eleven hundred yard receiver, do you think he is ready for the weight of being a number one receiver? No, picking my words wisely, I don't think that he's ready to be a number one.

I'm not sure if his confidence level is there yet, not to say that he won't be there relatively soon, but also don't believe that anyone anyone, and I don't think CD. I'tna say this now at this date, on this date as of right now, okay, but tonight it was twenty nine, right. Yes, I don't think that there will be a number one receiver that will sign a big contract here in Dallas with this leadership. Reason being, they just prove to you what they do with number

one receivers. Number one receivers don't have value here. Number one receivers don't have any rain here because we're not gonna feed you like a number one, We're not gonna feature you like a number one. They just showed you that there was no conversation about Coop's inabilities at any point in time. There's been no discussion about what Coop can't do. Coop can't run routes. He does amazing job with routes. Coop lost a step, He definitely didn't lose

a step. Coop can't get off the ball. He definitely gets off the ball. Is he dropping balls? Nope, he caught the ball. So oh, isn't that what number ones do? So if you're a number one, that's what Coop was a true number one. They just got rid of you, right, So now what's the incentive now for anybody to honestly be titled a true number one. I think he's gonna be a highly valuable player for the Dallas Cowboys. He's gonna be somebody that's very dependable, somebody that they're they're

relying on heavily. But to say that he's a number one, then at that point in time, I had to put him in a context of a Tyrek Hill on a Davante Adams back, And I don't think he's that. You don't think he's think he can get there. I think with his physical skill set, I think he can just not here because of the way they run off that. Yes, do you think they'd be willing because they got to

take out. I mean, Mike's here, he's working. Do you think they're taking a hard look at this potentially and being like, we have to change what we do schematically. Schematically we feature receivers, and like I spoke earlier, okay, we're not gonna pay both guys. We think CD can be that guy. That's why we're making this transition away from a MARI. But we need to in the future.

If we think CD can be that guy, we have to feature him more that When I see as of right now, CD's really good receiver, okay, but when I think about number one receivers, you have to do something exceptionally well, you have to be exceptionally fast Tyreek Hill, you have to be exceptionally quick Tyreek Hill, renfro Right or route runners. Okay, you start talking about you know, the Cooper cups at these world where he's just exceptional

route runners rather or not. They don't have any other amazing, crazy attributes, but they're gonna run a heck of a route and they're gonna catch the ball. Yeah, the guys like this, right, there's not one attribute that CD currently possesses that is that dominant. Now collectively, he's a really good receiver. He's not gonna blaze by anybody off the line of scribbage. He doesn't happen to just he's not just an amazing route runner at this point in time.

He's a good route runner, He's not an amazing route runner, right, he doesn't. He hasn't caught the ball consistently. Right, so you start looking at the attributes of a number one receiver. He hasn't put that together yet, and I think that he will relatively quickly. He's going to figure it out. But again, I'm not sure if that's going to be the opportunity here in Dallas, just because of what they're telling you right now. We're a system team. You know.

It's hard for me to wrap my head around, is what you're saying about him not being here or not getting paid here. When Amari Cooper got paid here, he paid he signed a large contract, and obviously the door opened up just for Ceedee Lamb to get signed and all of a sudden, it's why receiver room is crowded. I guess where I'm coming from from a scheme standpoint, with the way that Kelly Moore is calling this offense, and there won't be an opportunity now for teams to say,

we're gonna bracket coverage on one of your guys. How does that open up the offense now? Being that you look, Mike g may not be back for the beginning of the season, but Lissa to say, hypothetically he is, you have James Washington, and you have a draft pick and other guys that will be there as well. You don't think that he can carry the weight in a scheme where it's not even calling for him to be quote unquote that lead. Do ask you guys this, and I'm

you guys know I'm a straight shooter, straight and no change. Yeah. Do you guys think that you have the double team CD lamb right now? No? No, I mean it hasn't been proven like like a Marie, although Marie didn't get a ton of double team which is why it is why the production was surprising if they would have threw him the ball. Yeah, you better double team a Marie Cooper, right, Tyreek Hill, you better freaking double team him. Davantae Adams,

you better double team all the number ones. You better double team him, otherwise they will single handedly recue. CD hasn't stepped into that circle yet yet. And I know, I know it's just training camp. And I know I've told myself personally, like don't overreact everything you see a training camp, but I just know, you know, thirty days in ox and are just watching him every day, it was like, man, this guy could be a yeah, he

can't be. And and it hasn't shown. Although these numbers, and I know they're just numbers, but they do jump out at you. I didn't realize this is from Mickey's column. One hundred and fifty three catches in his first two years or a franchise most. And he's the first Cowboys receiver to get at least a thousand in each of his first two seasons. I mean, he's put up numbers. It's just there's consistency. He's had some drops and he hasn't been asked to He hasn't been asked to be

the guy corect yet. So but now that the opportunities that he has had to be the number one guy, we didn't see the weird there's a couple opportunities this year where we're like, all right, this is this is it and then and all of that, all of that I think has been overshadow, overshadowed by how they have used these guys in concert with one another. But the numbers don't lie based off of what you're saying. And this is a franchise that's been a hunt raund for

a very long time. For him to set those first says a lot about his talent. You asked me the question about him being double team and I say no, because, like Rob said, I just hadn't seen it yet. But in the game, like they say, for instance, in the Patriots game, the overtime, the walkoff touchdown, you see right there. I mean he's by himself. There are your route brand and touchdown we saw in his in his rookie season. When you use him at the slot position. What he's

able to do. Slot position is one where, man, this is a guy that can expose your defense if you put him in the slot. Do you think that that's where Kelly Moore is putting his attention? If if there is, If you're gonna use this guy to his full potential, that's where it has to That's the question. Will Cede Lamb reach his full potential here in Dallas and currently under this regime. Because I know everybody's gonna sit out.

THEAH said CD can't. I didn't say that. I'm saying where he's not yet, all right, I say I can see CD is fully capable as a player to be a number one receiver in this league. Absolutely within this system, he's he's restricted. If you're Kellen Moore, are you saying to yourself it's time to change? I hope so? Yeah, Okay, I hope so, because imminently that's where the rubber meets road, is in him changing his philosophy on how he uses it. But if you, if you, if you're willing to change

your philosophy, didn't why you let who go? You don't say? Because I think so, I'm saying, like I think, well that was that was my kind of hypothetical or whatever. Devil's advocate is that can we just if we're just gonna pay one, let's go with the younger guy, our draft pick, and but moving forward, we need to change

how we do things. And he's got to be featured, because I don't I don't think you can run it back the way they did it and just kind of try to spread it around and work underneath with Scholtzi. And that's gonna get it done. I mean, especially if you can't run the ball um. I don't think that they've got to They've got to find a way to feature the top guy bar. I'm with you guys on

that one. Well look, speaking of that, I mean and closing this whole thing out, guys, this is going to be the first time that we go to Oxnard where our offensive line isn't the strength of our team and so talk about news flash and so much work to do. There are still gaping holes left to be filled for the Dallas Cowboys as the offseason rages on. We'll be back in the building next Tuesday, and Kyle Yeoman's this will be your spotty. We'll be waiting for you, brother.

So Lorena's family, please don't put him in the Hudson all right, but we did our think today Balling tct baby. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.