The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the Star in Frisco. Et No. Your hosts Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. We got a full house inside the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco. Mickey and I are dressed like twins. Yeah, it looks so cute. Rider cub rider cup, full house, four races
right there you go, There you go. He's back on the little little midgic guy. What's his name? Twins? Those twins? Right? Was not the name of the movie? Swins? Been a few weeks, right, it had all been here it has Yes. By the way, Kyle Yeoman's our producer, did a Yeoman job last week. Then we ever sudden, Mickey, we're both out. We've been two dad jokes off the bat. Thirty seconds. We are back. Show is back. My ears were burning all while I was on the crew and ever Sin
was cruising last week. How was that? Because it was okay, you know, little super Bowl cruise, black man on boats cross the ocean not quite my thing. You know, where were you? Never ends? Well? Where are you cruising? We went to East Caribbean, uh, not pointing, but Dominican Republic. Uh. And of course the first stop I love was the Grand Turks. Oh really yeah, yeah, I was shaking hands with the fishes. They were cool. You can see him clearly.
They talking to me, coaxing me out to the deep ocean. I had to come back. It's fine, man, very good. Fine. I thought about you guys, not once. That's good. You should not once. I think about you. Nick you where were you last week? I was in Colorado's skiing. That's right, that's right, yep, that shave sense? Yeah, following me right, man, there's a little Shannon. Channon had the best line here.
About five minutes ago. He saw me and he saw the beard, and he goes, oh, your beard matches your shirt, dude, there's a little bit more white than that beard. Every still, well, yeah, and I won't be there testing are you protesting the product that you're sponsor me? It won't be there for long. This is his pre Blitz beard. Once the Blitz comes back on TV. Okay, he shaves, but he looks very distinguished. He needs to keep February, so it may go by
the end of the week. I'm not sure. All I have to do is work out once and sweat and it's like, okay, I'm gonna tranquilize you in shaving myself. Well, anything happened since we last convene? Less well for Robin I last. I'm trying to think, Yeah, we talked. Notice I've got my super Bowl cap. On the road to the super Bowl starts now. Dallas won the super Bowl, right, super Bowl that Dallas did wear the super Bowl. That was dad joke prediction in past week. Ye. And by
the way, this is my CBS super Bowl cap. Next year's Super Bowl is back on CBS in Tampa. Tampa. Great moments for me. I'll be there, Yeah, a few but still tamp Do they have enough hotels? No? I didn't think so, because the last time I covered the Super Bowl there, we ended up staying about ten fifteen miles north of the city. You were blessed. Yeah, that
was good. That's and it was one of those hotels where the door opens on to the to walk away through it's raining hard, then put the towel down in from that was a strange trip. So you have a pretty good memory from that Super Bowl. I do I do. First thing I did was dice and I we got there, like, hey man, forget these guys. They've been to the Super Bowl before. Let's go check this out. Man. We went
to the stadium. You know, it was closed, of course, it was like got like eight o'clock at night, maybe later, and I talked to Guarden to letting us on the field, and you know, we went out there and just started just reminiscing. Man, you know, like, hey man, we finally made it here. We were on a sorry Dallas Cowboys team and years was two and fourteen last year. I went through that season and then the one in fifteen, three and three and three and thirteen, and we had
four games, about four games and two years. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, you know, here we are. And he had gotten there first. So you know, we're just realizing just how unless we were to be where we were. And he just looked at me and said, hey man, don't you screw this up? Okay, So what are what are the Kansas City Chiefs feeling right now? Man? They're feeling so good. They're feeling so good, especially after fifty years of not even being in a Super Bowl,
and now here you are. Not only did you win it, you went you wanted with what second African American quarterback in history, right on the heels of God, the long heels of Doug Williams. And then you had a comeback. You both came in comeback fashion. Doug had to come from behind against the Broncos in a major second quarter of like four touchdowns and Timmy Smith running all over the place. Timmy Smith, I remember that guy. Oh. I
was there when he tomorrow's national signing Day. I was there in Hobbes, New Mexico, and Timmy Smith signed his letter of intent with Texas Tech Us. Now were not to be Hobbs with Mexico. And go back to the beginning of football, and we'll see Bill sitting there leather helmets or no helmets. And Timmy Smith, by the way, we're talking Cowboys, he was at Dallas cow here's the story about Timmy Smith. Okay, Timmy Smith did not have an academic scholarship to Texas Tech. Okay, Okay, it was
definitely a football scholarship, all right. Well, when he was with the Cowboys, my brother in law who's a Texas Tech grad. Okay, it was. He was down in Austin at training camp. He was just uh, guests for the day whatever, and so he's sitting there watching the running backs.
He wanted to check out his Texas Tech guy, Timmy Smith. Well, Joe Brodsky's a running backs coach, and my brother in law, Billy Breedlove to this day, still tells the story, says, I can just remember that coach barking it Timmy Smith saying Timmy, this is your left and this is your right, almost Super Bowl MVP, right, and disrespecting him. And that was after he had played in the Super Bowl too, exactly. Yeah,
we had one of those running backs in high school. Oh, we've had a bunch of running backs like that here and not just had to take here, had to take which was which? All right? So what was your takeaway from the Super Bowl? I think, speaking of my homes was he not? I think I saw this stat the first quarterback ever to overcome three straight double digit deficits in the playoffs on the way to the Super Bowl. Interesting. I think I think I saw that. I think you
didn't make sense. It's incredible. It's increat he has something else and he's twenty four years I think he has thirty six starts in his NFL career, and he's a Super Bowl MVP already, And the thought is this is the first of many, but this is always like the first take reaction the day after the last couple of years. Oh, the Eagles are built for the long haul or the rams, or they'll be back. Aaron Rodgers hadn't been back in ten years, so you just never know, so you got
to take care of your opportunities. When you got him, I thought it was just so weird because you've got a player that really, I thought was an average defense and you don't really win in the Super Bowl with an average defense unless you're quarterback in your offense is
really clicking. And for them to be able to overcome that lack of defensive assistance and with twenty four year old that to me, that that that's what really spoke volumes for me in the Super Bowl was just how much poise he had in one of the games where most people just choke and even down ten, Okay, you're down ten with seven minutes left in the game and you're facing third and fifteen. I was how at least he opened? How is he How do you let that happen?
How is he open? He's wide open. He's not just open. But that's when you realize, as a safety, you'd better have some cornerback skills, because that was especially drawn up for that safety to attack it isolated one right away. Here he's thinking he's comfortable fifteen yards back in his in his position, in his lineup. As the ball snap, that gap was closed on him so fast and now here he is isolated basically one on one coverage. I
think it was an option route. If he would have covered him to the outside, they were gonna throw the post. He covered him to the inside. And what pressure that that guy failed at that time? Thank god, thank god. The past wasn't that good. Otherwise he was running with it and and he got and Mahomes got hit. He was after he delivered. That's the thing with Mahomes. Mahomes
has such a strong arm. You know, he's starting the shotgun and he he dropping further back, and it just by being having a strong enough arm where he can throw that pass. And when he got strength, that was timing as well. Yeah, because he didn't wait to throw a hard he had he knew when to throw a hard, so you he knew as he was retreating, the best time for me to throw this is now or never, because he has a strong arm all you want. If it's not on time, then he's still gonna be picked off.
And so fluttered up there. That's why Tyreek had to wait for it to wait. But that's how wide open he was ye to trade. So what about the corner underneath? Okay, he took the um the underneath guy and uh there there was some criticism on him that he should have dropped, but I don't know what coverage they were. Well, it was thirty fifteen, So yeah, you need to go. You need to start back. Mentally, you need to start back
and then work your way up. Prioritize why and he could I don't think mentally he was at the sticks, so he was you know, they ran and who he was taking. He ran across almost a bunch route mentality had one across, one out, and of course you had the iso from the guy in the middle, and so he, like you said, we could have gone either way. But they designed it. They designed it where they could be isolated on that safety. So if it whether it's in man to man or zone, the safety is now in
the man to man position. Cornerback is the one with the least amount of pressure on him. So yes, it would have helped if he could have dropped back, played more conservatively third and fifteen and that flutter, Yeah, that would be away for him to make the play, probably of his entire career. That's why the Chiefs deep I'm sorry, that's why the Chiefs of the Ninets defense is known for being the best defense in the league. They don't
make those mistakes in the seasons. Why the Super Bowl creates pressures, as you know, best pass defense in the league and make a simple mistake like that on third and fifteen, and that's that's when it's made to make tunnel. Oh right, I was salivating when it was thirty fifteen. I might get a duck. Just give me a duck. I'm going to pick it off. That was one four and then they didn't take advantage of it. Best quarterback
in the league, one out, best best pass defense. Because of that front, they put pressure on quarterbacks and then all of a sudden, in the last seven or eight minutes they couldn't get to him. But for three and a half quarters they that's why they were struggling. You know, I kept hearing, well, my home's not playing well. No, he's not playing well because he's running for his life too many times, and they would get they were coming after him. Yeah, they couldn't get to him. Right, So
that's the difference. He was able to make the escape. That's when the quarterbacks escapability, that's when that X factor becomes very important doing the game like this. But then the Kansas City defense steps up. Where did that come from? Right? Last last day in the league? Now, last day I supposed to be the best by the way I saw this quote from Andy Reid. It was Monday morning after the game. He goes, this is our first year with Spags. He's a creative mind as anybody I've seen. So I'm
cousin Steve right, that's right. Well, mister Walls was one of the fastest people in the world. Is it ever soon? A hooky? Kay? You know I was coming back from the past, rob you know of herky Walls right over my head. Okay, you only explained to everyone else who herkey is. Well, my second cousin, and he was God could have made the Olympic team. I think that's what I remember. He was left fourth in the Olympic trials behind Carl Lewis. The entire Houston track team beat him.
Lee Burrell Bwell was second, Herky Walls was in first place in the two hundred meters and boy, they sucked him up like this one. The baby drawed him. But he was almost there. Oh man, Texas, he's a long horn. His nineteen his senior year in nineteen eighty I believe he scored eleven touchdowns for the long Lost Bias. Eighty two was his last year. I'm looking at his Wikipedia now. He was a seventh round draft pick the Oilers in nineteen eighty three. I had to guard him in preseason. Yeah,
he had me too. One Moon missed him. You guys playing Olympic speed huh? You guys played at Philadelphia. It was around eighty five, eighty six, somewhere in there. And my other cousin, Spagnola, the tight end for the Eagles. He was having a big day the first half. Yes, you remember him, Yes, And so just so happened. Our sports editor was on the trip with us, and he comes up to me at halftime, he goes, okay, Philadelphia wins. We're gonna have your name in the headline and the byeline.
You do a story on that night. And he came back and won the game. Spoiled my opportunity to have my name in a headline. Can I give you another little tidbit on Horkey Walls. It's a lot of Southwest Texas Indoor Track and Field Championship in nineteen eighty, finished first ahead of Curtis Dickey and Carl Lewis in the sixty yard days. Amazing and a member of the Arena Football Hall of Fame. Really and that's why right now, and he is now pastor Hooky Wall really, yes, and
he is the dancing pastor. He comes out, he comes out. You gotta see it. Check out Facebook. She probably played, He played for the Orlando He probably played for Jay Gruden. I don't know if probably did. Yeah, guy was probably he was. He was the He was the attraction, you know, because he was so short, short guy and just mighty mouse man. That was mighty mouse. That's what he was.
He was amazing. All right, I guess it's time. Last thing. Okay, his father, uh we call him Joe boy father is in the Garland Hall of Fame with Bobby boy Bobby boy he made it right after body right. You know why I know Bobby Boyd because he's an Oklahoma And we continue with more talking cowboys at just a moment. I'm Jay Novachek, former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys back in the day. I was a guy who always got the tough yards and that's why I run with
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through the eighteenth at at and T Stadium. Used to watch that one, it was on Wide World of Sports. No, the bull riding, I did not. It was a great I did too, Yeah, I did, just to see people fall and get her. I mean we were young at the time. Nobody there was nothing when we were at that age. All right, you got anything else on the Super Bowl? You want to move on to the Cowboys? Um, yeah, let's move Did your team win? Who picked? I picked the Chiefs at the beginning of the season. Did you
did you? He's lying? I know you picked out I know you picked the real Dallas team, right. I don't think I picked that Dallas versus Dallas, the Cowboys versus the Chiefs, Dallas, Texas tex I think he's like pre Dallas Texas. Oh that's right. I had the forty nine ers because I thought top the autumn they were a more complete team, even though Mahomes is just out of this world and he proved he's out of this world
at the end of you thought you thought so. He thought the team that went four and twelve last year was going to win the Super Bowl? I did. What's wrong with that? Okay? Come on, they was good. They had he didn't say at the beginning of the season after improving, Jimmy, I don't know. He's not saying. He's saying that he picked him on Monday. Have been listening while you're on the slopes, you know what. It occurred
to me for about five seconds. Then I saw what time it was, and I said, nah, they're on their own. Almost got Wally pipped last week because Kyle Yeoman's was a terrific replacement for you, Mickey, How do you know he wasn't replacing Everson because he was sitting there Jack Blackery. He did the Jack, Yes, he did the Ready. It wasn't as good as Mickey's though, but and I sent it to you guys, and when he said it wasn't as good, I was thinking bad. It was right, it
wasn't as Channing. Right, Yeah, that's right. I got one more thing about the Super Bowl. This can tie back into the Cowboys. I guess. I just got curious and I counted it up. Since Brady won his first Super Bowl and that's about twenty seasons ago, how many quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl in this league since then, in the last twenty years? Oh wow? Not many? If we if we eliminate Brady's well, count Brady. Count Brady. Oh,
count Brady because he's won multiple He's just won. Not how many he's won, but how many different quarterbacks have won the Super Bowl? Can you want to run him down? Roethlisberger. I could be wrong here, but let's guess him. Let's guess him. Okay, okay, I'm not naming the Brady, Brees, Rogers, Roethlisburger, Wilson, Wilson, there's five right there. I can't believe Eli Manning, Yeah, Peyton Petting, Nick Foles. Yep, Brad Johnson got one former
Cowboy and Pat Mahomes. So there's ten. There's ten over twenty years, over twenty years. And how many of these guys are going to the Hall of Fame? Pretty much all of them for Folds probably, and they're not Brad Jones and Pat Mahomes as well. On his way and it is over and well I started it season after when when Brad started his runk over since Okay, it's a eighteen years. Probably not Flacco either, probably not Flacco. But it is a man, is it a quarterbacks league?
Russ Wilson's going to Hall of Fame? I think, so you got to have a great one. And they're already touting the Philadelphia Eagles and costs them wins? Am I missing something? They're they're not winning the division. They're looking for them to go to the Bowl. They're not going to fifteen years with you, William, trust me, I'm with you. But this is amazing how this is the same thing that happened last year. They would think Couston wentz the whole time. I mean, he hadn't even had come off
of an injury. Still they had confidence in he in the Philadelphia Eagles, not just him, but how this team was built. They are already tulling them as the new Super Bowl champions for twenty twenty one. I just think that is just sounds thirsty. You know, It's like somebody just loves Philadelphia so much. Not somebody somebody E'SE. You guys are out there and that John, What the heck is going on out there? Why they Why do they feel this way? I haven't I haven't gotten that sense,
but I'm sure. I'm sure it's out there, because there's no doubt it's out there. Yeah. Well, they took a step back a year ago, but then they kind of withstood them things this past year and and made a run to the playoffs. So you're always looking for that next team to welling the Cowboys what they're doing. Reason why Steve Atwater can go to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and Deverson Walls or Woodson think about that. Steve Atwater. It was a box safety. More safeties are
getting in now, though, Cliff Harris, I'm still man. Brian Dawkins beat me out when I was there, so we gotta get over. You can keep on going, I mean, we can keep on going, not just me, I mean all the other dB they thought the Brian Dawkins before Cliff Harris. Yeah, let's think about that. I mean, come on, how many free agents are in the Hall of Fame. I deserved to be in the Hall of Fame. He sure did. Brian Dawkins was no free agent, been tuted
his whole career. No surprise that he did well. Yeah, Cliff Harris, now that that's a story. Six Pro Bowls. Come on, this guy, captain Captain Crash took this long, took this long. Yeah, took the extra ten guys. Okay, So, Rob, you said that the quarterback Super Bowl thing might tie into the Cowboys Wayne, because you've got to have am I making your prediction right now. You've got to have a really good to great quarterback. I think that's obvious. You got to have players around him. I think it
just speaks to the Cowboys. They are sold on Dak Prescott. I know he hasn't been signed to a long term deal yet. I think everybody feels like eventually it will get done. I think it speaks to once again, why Mike McCarthy's the new head coach here, because they are sold on Dak and they found a veteran coach who has been around Hall of Fame quarterbacks and they feel he can help elevate Dak to another level. That's that's a big reason why McCarthy, who was also sold on
Dak in the interview process. Yeah, Stephen said that he had a video reel of Dak going back to his combine workout when he met with the Joneses on that Saturday and throughout his career and showed the progression and where how he's evolved in this league. And I'm sure that that played a huge role as well in them connecting, you know, absolutely. So the Sunday big news drop on Super Bowl Sunday was well, looks like Cowboys are gonna be franchise tagging y Yeah, if I see that one
more time, it's fired up. It's like, of course they're gonna If they don't get them signed, they're gonna franchise him. And then there's the crawler every day and every day I'm on vacation, I said, oh, I guess I missed something. So that was are they going to sign him? Well, if they will if they don't have a contract. But they don't have a contract. I mean, what are the odds of them going franchise versus you know, signing him
to this big deal. Well, you can start franchising guys on February twenty fifth, and I think you have to ten. So yeah, if it doesn't get done by them, they'll franchise. And there has been rumors out there saying, well, Dak wants more, the Cowboys are really holding out. What is the truth is he does he want more than what
the what's offered on the table? Is that to hold up? Well, if you listened to what Stephen Jones said, dude and mans they were going to put they they said and I didn't have to come out and say it, that they were going to make him a top five paid quarterback and it wasn't enough. But what you haven't heard is what they're asking for. That's one thing, and we's been out of this whole narrative. What are they asking for?
It must be crazy because it seems like they had an impass right and even more so now when Dak basically spoke up at the Super Bowl well basically saying yeah, go ahead, Mick. What he told the morning he sounded you know a little frustrated this hasn't been done. And the question was to Dak, what would you show up for the voluntary program without a deal, and he said, we'll just cross that when we get to it. But also and so they also said it's time for them
to pay me and you can print that. Wow. So so you get away from the from the comfis you know what happens. Number one, there's an agent telling you, Okay, here's our stance. At number two, the NFLPA puts pressure on you to make sure you don't give a hometown discount. And so because they want to see everybody making it much and you reset what the quarterback market is. So he has an obligation to all other players to get
as much right he can get in the NFL. And you know, you're there with all the NFLPA guys at the Super Bowl and specifically all other quarterbacks. He has that r yeah and looks so you know, the last four years and the Cowboys know this, he's been one of the best bargains in the league in terms of his salaries a fourth round rookie contract versus what he's done in the league. The Cowboys want to get him signed. The report came out ever since I think Sunday morning
ESPN saying it's likely heading that way towards the tag. Well, okay, fine, but there are still six weeks weeks until they have to make a decision whether the tax. You know, so six weeks to try to get something done, A lot can happen. And it reminds me a little bit mick of the DeMarcus Lawrence thing last year, where we felt like players don't like the tag. Okay, they don't want to be tagged, they want the long term security. That's
that's fair and natural. And we thought, we sat here, and what if they don't get this thing done with the Marcus He's got to have shoulder surgery, all stuff. It got done, and it got done, and the deadline on that was basically when they got it done, because he had to have that surgery in order to be ready for the start of the season. Yeah, by the draft.
He basically had to have that thing done otherwise, you know. Yeah, and even after you tag him, you still got five months to get him signed or you can't sign them to then of course, you know, but again the voluntary program, you got a new coach and a tweaked offense, and that's where than normal because it is a new coach.
So then who's in the driver a seat? Then? Yeah, because based on bad information right there, then you would say that's in the driver seat if he wants to go that route, which is a route he has never been shown to take. Right. He's always been the company man when it came to the kneeling and the Black Lives matter. You know, he was in lockstep with Jerry Jones. The entire team was so man, this is different for me to hear him being so bold and sounded like
Everson Walls or somebody. Right, I love him, you know. And it's not the Cowboys fault that he got drafted in the fourth round, right, that's sort of you know the argument. So you were gone Alexander Wright from the Cowboys draft wide wide receiver nineteen ninety and he was a twenty eighth pick in the draft, but there was only twenty seven picks in the first round, so he was technically a second round pick, right, And his agent was saying, no, he's a first round pick. You got
to get paid like a first round pick. And the Cowboys like, sorry, it says second round here first pick, and that he didn't go to training camp along with Emmett and he signed first, and then Emmett got done the week of the season, but he missed because that was their argument. So you're I think the dilemma now is, Okay, if we go down this franchise tag route, will Dad be that guy? Will he be the one that choses
to be defiant? And even if he does, and they still don't get to sign him and he's he has to play the tag out for the whole season. I really don't think it makes that much of a difference. Twenty seven million guaranteed for the one year tag. Yeah, but I mean he wasn't gonna do come in and tank. He's gonna do yeah right. I mean I'm not saying that he's stuck. I'm saying that's just how he is as a player. I'm not gonna come in and let
my team down because I got tagged. No, I wouldn't think so either, And so to me, as much as we want to see him get I want to see him get paid. I think it would be only fair. You can look down, you know, Bills probably can look up and see some stats on all the amazing stuff that we could say that, Dak, did you know that would gold well in negotiations. You know, it really doesn't matter when it comes down to it, whether he's tag or not, you're going to see the same Dak Prescott. Yeah,
I don't think it matter. So I don't think it's going to impact the season none whatsoever. Whether he's on, The only thing it'll impact is him not being there in the offseason if he chooses not to be there. Right, But you get tagged and you go to training camp, right, you got to make up for lost time. And Alexander Wright and SEC sprint champion, tied with Bojackson, the sixth fastest sprinter in Auburton's school history and more talking Cowboys
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keep on talking like you were done. There's nothing better. You want to finish your story from last segment? Oh yes, do you know what Alexander right to do in these days? No, he's a preacher in San Antonio. I thought herky Walls was appreciate. He's just making stuff. No, no, yes, using Jack Black too. Yeah, we need to get the preachers. We need to get the preachers. Herkey Walls and Ace right to get right and have a preacher preacher content dancing,
dance printing. Yeah, there you go, that's right. He was awfully fast, Yes he was. I got my cousin, jim I got yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy at one point after his first year a second year and was like, well, this guy doesn't catch the ball very well. He goes, well, you know what, with his speed, they got to cover him because you never know when he might catch it. I was kind of a book on Bob Hayes when he first came here too. Yeah, he turned the other round. Ye all right, Um, why else on the Cowboys? What
are you thinking? Um? Trying to think? What other days to the next other? Jason Witten saying at the Super Bowl coming back, don't please don't. You can start resigning players with expiring contracts on February eleventh. So is that before we do the next show? Or what are we at? The third? Fourth? Fourth? So next Tuesday, Next Tuesday, you can start signing guys with expiring contracts. Two guys. Why receivers? Cooper a right number two priorities behind Randa Randall. Cob
You gotta get him signed. You gotta get him signed unless you're sitting creating the draft and you got one of these studs whide receivers coming out that you can really count on. I say you stick with these guys. I think Cobbs more likely to come back because of
McCarthy here, I am. Yeah. I think. I don't know if it's I don't know if you're probably a tip him over Cooper, but yeah, I think if he was leaning towards leaving now he's he's running towards stage not just leaning to McCarthy might have a saying it too. It's like, of course I want because because not only did he want his own assistant coaches, he probably wants somebody that has been loyal to him in that locker room. And when when you think about it, Jason Witten's return,
if if it's a return, would clearly affect Cobb's output. Yes, yes, and and that is not good because I'm pretty sure last year there were many times when Kyle was saying, come to me, it's my this is my time of the game, and we were not because we were trying to get it to one of our tight ends who just happened to be a former commentator. Which, by the way, you know, Jarwin's restricted, so they've got to give him
a tender at some point. And you would think of all the time you've spent developing him, you want him back and say he Wit did the media car wash at the Super Bowl, and I think one of the things he said to one of the state maybe Rich Eisen, was you know, I understand there's a new coach and we've got to have open discussions, and you'd love to end it here as a player, but it may have to be somewhere else. You never know, so I don't really know where it's going to be exactly. I gotta
say he's you know, just form a player's opinion. I guess I'm a pundit now. I just I think if he's going to come back at all, it would have to be under a player coach type of situation. I just don't see how he can help this team going forward when we need to start thinking of getting younger and have more consistency. I think if he's going to come in, it should be clearly to just be just in the mentor type of status for these two really upcoming tight ends that we have in Cheltzon and Jawin.
I think those two guys are NFL. They're ready to be NFL capable tight ends. They are ready now. Okay, So Jarwin a restricted free agent, if you don't have a deal done with him, what kind of tender would you give him? First round? Second round? Or he's a free agent, so the low tender I think the second second he was he was a college free agent and were undrafted. So if you don't, I mean so. And the way that works is if a team were to
sign him. They would not if if he does not have a first or second round tender, that team can sign him without giving up a draft conversation, whereas if it was a second round tender, that team would have to pay the Cowboys a second round pick. I'm thinking way back here, but I think like when Miles Austin was coming up and they wanted to keep him, but he hasn't had been really established it, I think they put the second round tam. I mean that that kind
of adequately scares teams off. I feel like from I think if you if you really like a guy, because it's basically a one year deal and I don't know the second what it's going to come to. Probably last year and a half million or so. Last year, three second round tender was three point one million, first round was four point five million, and the low tender was
two million. Yeah, so you got to do the second and I'm sure this year if it was that three over three, then probably getting closer to four and a half something like that. But it's going to be your starting tight end. When do they have to make that? Is it by mid March? They have to make that decision? Restricted qualifying offers. I think it's by March eighteenth or something like that. Right, well, start which is the eighteenth or so, you can start doing it at some point
this month, right, you have to have it. No one can give him a bid, like I think it's like within two weeks of the draft, right, that's on the back end of it establishing the tenders. So you have to do it. Yeah, by time free and they've got a couple other guys, right, I think Cooper Rush is restricted, but yeah, jar one's the one that really stands out what they do there, got a lot of work to do,
a lot. We look at all the free agents, I mean, Everson named Randall Cobb, Maury Cooper, that's I mean, that's just scratching the surface. You look on defense. Let's get into Byron Jones, Link Collins, Everson, Everson on the Year in Special. I was thinking about that coming in Burry Church and it's you can watch it online. It's in
bits and pieces on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. The Year and Special with Michael Irvin and Everson and Burry Church, and we were talking about free agency and then the needs and Burry Church said that secondary was the biggest needed upgrade and they started talking about safeties and Everson say, well, say what Biban Jones to safety? I said, and your Church went off because he's experienced that. And then I
just start talking my way at cornerback. You've got your best corner that I think, I said, can't catch a cold in Alaska with ice cubes in his pockets or something like that. And I want to say more because of course I think we've all heard it before. The ice cubes can go anywhere on your body and much deeper, and that would be a little bit more graphic, but either way, I still can't catch it. So that's kind
of where we had. So you had a governor on you, yes, so, and you know, I think, and I still think this guy's I think Biben Jones, but at his experience now based on his experience with Barry Church because obviously they had a big impact on Barried Church in the psychic
because he went off. When I suggested that you put Bivan Jones at safe, I actually retweeted that, and as I quoted, you said, your best quarterback, I can't catch a cold in Alaska with ice cubes in his pot He can't, he can't, And we're real about this guy when the last time Byrn's got an interception of his career, and he had he had had two in the last
two years. But when you're talking about the person who was so athletic coming out of the combine, it's not hard to take it from cornerback who it's a very demanding position in regards to immediate contact with a wide receiver to where you're going back ten yards back from the line of scrimmage. Now you can use that intellectual and that athletic ability to read plays, sniff out bad passes, and make more of an impact in the ball game. We have not had a safety that can do that
for us. Heath was doing his best. Heath is about to come out with both arms typed behind his back next year because that's the way his labors are going to have him feeling. And now you're talking about needing someone physical, you need someone intelligent in that defensive secondary and the safety by and Joe to be the guy.
He had Jeff Heath playing for them, that Sorensen. When one Thornhill went down, then Sorenson got the opportunity and that would be the role that you would be looking forward for Jeff he but Byron Jones had that role, right, and he didn't do anything. And that's what that's why Barry Church went off on him. Yeah, and Mike don't do that. And let's consider this, Mike Nolan when he was asked about cornerbacks, he's or dbs, he said, I
want ball hawking defensive backs. And when Jones did this his rookie year, right, it was his rookie year, did both. But I'm saying he played safety his rookie Yeah, he dabbled at corner, but I think he was mostly a safety. He's got to be having more experience. Now you're telling me he didn't learn from his years. He's gonna be the same guy that he was his rookie year, maybe second year too. But it was a better cornerback than he was a safe. But here's no doubt he can cover.
But I'm talking about making plays on the ball. And Al Harris, you put him in the position of that number twenty for the Cassidy Chiefs last night. I'm sorry for the forty nines last night. Right, you can't him on the wide receiver like that. You're getting the different UH outcome as opposed to a safety back, then what do you need that ability to cover? Yeah, in your second day. Here's the thing though, he's he's unrestricted and
usually corners make more money. Does he He has the option to go somewhere and play what he wants to play. Now we'll see what is what his market value is if he tests the market, if he's a game change of safety, he can he can make all the money. Okay, he may not, he may not want him place. You know, he's true. You know he kind of had his coming out party as a corner. Here's the bottom baking. Either I wanted to sit back there and look pretty at cornerback,
but you can't do at safety. You gotta go out there and make some plays. And now that's what you had to do. Here's the bottom line on him. Because everybody's saying the Cowboys can't afford to resign him, Well, my next question is why can't they afford to resign him? Because if other teams are looking at what you just said, why are they going to pay so much money more
than what the Cowboys would offer him? Because he's still two interceptions, right, But the problem they look at him but a Pro Bowl, I mean you use that reference. Was your analogy was Terrence Williams a couple of years ago where it felt like, oh they Cowboys can't resign Terrence at wide receiver. Well the market cooled and they brought him back. It is different, I think with Byron because he has proven to be a Pro Bowl caliber player,
but he's the interceptions are still the same. Right at corner, at corner, at corner, you put this man at safety, he can roam, he has the ability. Guy. You remember when he came out, he was the best thing the Combine had seen in years. Amazing athlete, amazing. Everything he did was was jaw dropping. Well then if if they do that, then you're in the market for a cornerback because I ain't trusting Jordan Lewis out there for sixty
plays a game. Have you ever heard of before they before we saw Minnesota, before we played Bfalo, maybe you guys had I had never heard of any of their cornerbacks, not one of them. And man, which seems Buffalo Okay, you can go, Well, I got kid from LSU White at corner. Yeah, you got You had guys back there making plays not just on the Cowboys but against the Patriots. I mean, the a formidable secondary. These are not big names back there. You just gotta go find some dogs, man,
they don't have to be names. Just go find some dogs. And that's what being the defensive back is all about. A guy that's determined. Not necessarily the best playmaker, but you got to be determined and put me behind a good defensive line. And you're talking about a guy not just I'm not just talking about basement bogging basement things. I'm talking about guys that can make plays that you
can depend on. That's all I'm talking about. Al Harris, I guess in his interview when I went back and listened to it yesterday, said I'm big on touching the ball, touching the ball every day. So well they judge what they're looking for. I know. I mean, they drilled the hell out of no he means in the game and well, of course, but somebody that can do it. That is the biggest thing holding this defense back my opinion, they've been middle of the pack to lower pack. Taways always good, right,
yeah for you. I mean they've been top ten I think in total yards and all that stuff, but they haven't impacted the game takeaways. Here's you mentioned Indevius White. I know for a fact the Cowboys love Tredevious White. They did, Okay, Taco Charlton in that draft in twenty seventeen was a twenty seventh pick. Tredevious White was taken by Buffalo one pick ahead of them. Second round, the Cowboys took Cheetawawoozier, and then they took Jordan Lewis in
the third round. I bet you if Tradevious White had not been taken by Buffalo one pick ahead of Taco Charleton, the cow Boys would have taken Tradevious White there. Yeah, And that's just kind of the way things work. And I'll take it a step further. I also know they love Juju Smith Schuster, Okay, and who was taken right before Juju Smith Schuster in that draft, Cheeta A. Woozier. So let's let's say Buffalo doesn't take Tradevius White, the
Cowboys take Tradevius White. So they've got their cornerback right there, and then they can and then they could have taken the wide receiver Juju Smith Schuster in the second round. I've talked to guys scouts before, not about those guys particular,
but just you can play that game. Yeah, I know, and it can drive you crazy if you do it, because you could just go back for years and it's always, you know, there's a clump of guys and you're not you know, but we know that they because they had them in for visits and they love those guys and it's interesting. Yeah, things could have played out well if you go back to was it twenty fifteen when they took Martin was a twenty fourteen fourteen fourteen mark, right,
so you know who they wanted. They wanted the linebacker that Pittsburgh right, try Shasier, Shasier and it was like, oh, now, what do we do? Pittsburgh took Shasier and that's when the whole thing with the A and M quarterback came up and then it was like him, yeah XFL quarterback l is he in? The L is not now? But by the way, anything, guys going to the game next. I'm not going to the game, but I'm gonna watch it.
As the Dallas Renegades opened the XFL season at four o'clock on Sunday, Coach Bob Bob stoops coach fifty yard line seats, not you know, very healthy enough, to start the first game. I don't. I don't think that Landry Jones is healthy enough talking to renegades here. Maybe try Land stud Yard playing by the way, talking an interview with Lance Dunbar. He's got some dreads working night. Okay, okay, yeah, do they make him cut their hand before the game?
Can talk? If you do todos for years and years? Okay. So here's how nerdy I a might look at the schedule because I don't. I don't think I'm gonna be back in time for that game on Sunday. But uh, they're on the road the next two weeks, and then the next game they're back at home. I'm gonna go, yeah, sit and stands. Hey, there's there's guys on these rosters that I've heard of, which is different from that Spring
league last year. The Alliance of American Football, and of course Darryl Johnston is the director of player person Get ticket. You can get some tickets here? Yeah, I try, all right? I think that does it? Yeah, Okay, that do it? We talked cowboys, so who else? So last week I had to bail out early other free agents, other free agents that we need that we really need. Well on the cornerback front. Anthony Brown is a free agent. Would he be a priority to kind of protect yourself for?
He missed half the season and I can't imagine he's got much market value. It's just hard because with a new staff, what they're looking, don't know what they value. And when we talk to him last week, I know, skip pizza. This is about the running back. So I love Zeke and Tony Pollard. But but I was going to say, but we haven't really gotten into the personnel side of things as of last week. It's more talking, you know, philosophy and so good. He's under wrapp. We
have no problem with him. Yeah, now, and then on the defensive line, you got MALIEK. Collins and Robert Quinn. Can you get one of them back? I gotta have Quinn back, right, Michael, And I'm restricted, I think restricted thirty five, going on thirty six, maybe retiring. Do you think so at thirty four? He turns it turned thirty five? Yeah, I don't care how I'm looking at the outcome. I'm looking at what he did. I don't really care about the age itself. If that's right, Brady should have been
gone a long time ago. I'm talking about if you're talking to the age. Yeah, that's one thing. If you know, I'm not saying retire him. He may have that in his mind, is what I'm saying. Well, I hope not. Yeah, I hope. I hope that he feels rejuvenated with a new coach. Sometimes that makes a big difference. And you guys are thinking one thing like, okay, if Jason Garrett comes back, man, a lot of you, you know, right, you're thinking things like that. Then all of a sudden,
you got a new coach come in. Oh hey, guys, you know you just thought to feel a little different about your chances, and you say, why not roll the dice. Here's your defensive line free agents. Michael Bennett, Malie Collins, Christian Covington, Kerry Hyder, Robert Quinn, Daniel Ross is restricted and Antoine Woods is exclusive rights, which means so everybody, he's not going anything everybody. It's a long way. And then you gotta add, will Tyrone Crawford come back after
dual hipster? No? Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, I promise you. I'm still a worried about Vandress, I really am. And Crawford has a year left, it's at a high number. But if he can be if he comes back, he's coming at a different salary. Okay, but coming off the if you if you're trying to be a multiple defense with Mike Nolan, I think he could fit that if he's healthy, because he can kind of do whatever you need him to do across the front. Yeah, and he's
a leader. Man, there's this time if he's willing. Yeah, yeah, you have to manage his time, you know, somebody coming off with those injuries and replace me as you got them. Well, yeah, you know, we sit here and talk about the offense and talk about DAK. The problem is the defense because they did not win a game when they didn't score thirty points. Sometimes you gotta win twenty four twenty one,
you know, and and they never did it. The Super Bowl should have been won, what twenty four twenty right until the garbage touchdown? Right? Correct? Well, and if the Niners, you know, are able to get some first downs at the end of the game, they won at twenty to seventeen. What's going back to that. Shanahan's taken a lot of heat. He's taken a lot of heat. You know what I think I think Atlanta Falcon's Patriots Super Bowl is feeding into some of that because they twenty eight three all that.
But I went back and watched the game again last night, Nerdy me, and you know, there were things that happened that were out of his control that it wasn't his fault, like well, he didn't run the ball enough or he threw the ball too much. We're back to the whole thing. Whatever works, is right, you know, this whole thing about the half that you know, and you know in Troy kind of started it by saying, oh, they're not going
to call time out. You know, I thought the same thing. Okay, But as I told you yesterday, it's like, here's what it would have happened had had they left they called time out, and they don't, and they got a punt. How close did that guy come on the punt to throwing the ball back and getting it down at the
two yard line? Right? And now now San Francisco's got the ball at the two with a minute to go, and Kansas City's got all three timeouts, so you're gonna have to come out otherwise you're punting and they're gonna call timeout, timeout, timeout, and they're gonna get the ball back at the fifty forty yard line and now, And I'm sure that's what he was thinking. He wasn't thinking, Oh, I got to take the ball and score. He was thinking, I can't let them score. I can't score. I think
you're you're onto something. Everson talked about how the defense didn't make the plays. That's not that's not Kyle Shanahan calling plays. Jimmy Gee's got Emmanuel Sanders deep. He's got me right, I mean, play the game. That's to play the game. And then he got criticized for throwing the ball in the fourth quarter. Well, if you go look at their last possession, I counted up eight passes they
had they threw after it was twenty four to twenty. Well, of course you're you only got a minute or so left. You got to throw the ball every down. So it wasn't like he abandoned their game plan in the fourth quarter. If he hits the receiver, we're not even having this conver and he's wide open. Wow, were replaying Montana to John Taylor. Highlights from that game. How was I went down just to see the end of the last drive I did? I was comfortably remember, Yeah you see, yeah,
you see John. It's a great Yeah. All right, we're back with more Talking Cowboys next Tuesday. Yes, this has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
