Talkin' Cowboys: What’s Next On Defense?

the s WBC Mortgage Studios. Virtually as always, or at least what it's been like for the past ten months, but we're continuing to break down this Dallas Cowboys team and a lot of breaking news that hit the fans since well, I guess Friday, but we are technically the first show that gets to talk about it. But we're gonna break down an entire coaching search, a coach firing, and really an overahaul in the span of an hour. So buckle up, ladies and gentlemen and come along for

the ride. We're excited to bring you along with as Kyle Yeoman's alongside heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and Isaiah stand back and gentlemen, let's jump right into this. Mike Nolan. As of Friday afternoon, it was officially reported and released that he was let go of his duties as defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. Jim tom Sula was also on that list, and really twelve months almost to the day that we were hiring Mike McCarthy last year, you

turn around and you fire a defensive coordinator. Initially, Mike Nolan wasn't in Dallas long enough to the fact that if you go in you google Cowboys defensive coordinator, the first pictures that pop up are Rod Marinelli and Chris Richard at the first pictures that pop up on Google if you go in google Cowboys defensive coordinator. But Rob kind of tell us how this went down and what your thoughts of the move are for Cowboys Nation. It

was a move that wasn't necessarily surprising. No, it wasn't. Kyle and I know we've had our discussion on the show the last you know, a couple of weeks, like what were the chances that he could be back if they continued on an upward trend defensively, and obviously the takeaways went up the last four games of the season. I believe they had twelve takeaways, which more than double what they had or close to it early in the season,

but they just didn't see enough improvement overall. And you know, I kind of got the sense that by mid December, after that Ravens game, I think it was pretty clear that they were at least looking hard at making a change. And while there was improvement down the stretch, the Giants game in the finale last week really was kind of another step backward in terms of yards given up, points

given up, big plays given up. And I just quickly looked at the stats during that four game stretch, guys where we talked about where they made some progress, they felt like they were more comfortable in the scheme. All of that, they still gave up an average of three hundred and ninety five yards in those four games where they won three out of four, and that's and that's that's actually more. That's actually more per game than they'd

average for the season. That was three eighty six. Now, the run defense, which is the big, one of the biggest reasons why they made the change, and obviously Jim tom Seula d line coach, not back either. They gave up one hundred and thirty one rushing yards in those last four games one hundred and fifty eight average for the season. So I don't think they saw enough improvement down the stretch guys to really make a difference. Heck, Rob,

you're so nice man. I'll tell you, man, the way the two word it is you put it at love. I love that. But you know, all of those things, and you talk about the Ravens game actually being the indictment on him as a coach, and this whole defense from just start to finish, you look at them if

you're gonna take the last four games. Okay, that's just a sample size, but you go back to games like the Cleveland Browns game where we were just not able to stop anybody, and I think this defense and whatever scheme they were playing too gap Reid for the D lineman,

the secondary. No one understood this defense at all. And that's where you had those anonymous sources that leaked reports to James Slater saying that this defensive coordinated staff, where the staff didn't know what they were talking, what they

were doing, and it just started early. It started early, and you you know, and for guys like Jalen Smith, who I could say it's probably one of his worst years as far as you know, statistics say that obviously he made a lot of tackles, but just the eyeball test was saying that man fifty four did not know where he was. And you saw a lot of that from guy's just trying to freestyle this doing their own

way because they were lost the whole season. Then look, if you tried, you know, those those turnovers may have been where people started to talk about, Okay, is he is there a chance that he's saving his job? But nah, it just it just wasn't enough. We could protect the boundary and we darn't sure couldn't stop the run. You know, you guys are hit it out the park. I mean pretty much. When it comes down to it, it comes down to not allowing teams to score and not giving

up yardage. If you give up yardage, you allow teams to be in position to score. So obviously we didn't do a good job of any of that this year. Then obviously if the scheme was not getting across as well or you saw early on, you know, we brought guys in to the organization that we thought were going to be huge attributes in terms of veterans and they weren't. Were they not because they weren't good players, or were

they not because they didn't fit in his scheme. That's a question that's gonna be asked now, Right, maybe those guys weren't good enough players, but maybe just his scheme didn't allow for them to be great. So now that's a question that gets raised. And then you start looking at the fact that they now have released a defensive line coach. Well, typically defensive coordinators, yes, officeer coordination, Yes,

they have to take the fall. However, as soon as you start releasing position coaches, now there's a communication issue. Now there's a connectivity issue. Now there's guys that apparently don't like that particular individual and obviously have an issue with the system. So there's a whole lot of things obviously that might be underlying factors as to why these decisions got made. Rob you already hit on it in the fact that turnovers, Yes, turnovers helped you in terms

of potentially helping you save your job. But at the end of the day of the yardist who's killed you. That's what was consistent, that's what never went down, and I think that's what was frustrating about this defense ultimately was you need turnovers to make it go round. You need turnovers to make it work, and through the first twelve weeks of the season that didn't happen. You didn't

have turnovers except for maybe Week eight against Philadelphia. There was not a single moment in that season where you felt like, hey, this is a momentum building type of game for this defense. Well, you finally got that down the stretch, But once again, who was it against. It was against Cincinnati, San Francisco and Philadelphia Again, I mean, those are the teams that you forced turnover against. So whenever it comes to the body of work, ultimately it

wasn't enough to keep Mike Nolan around. But Hetman, you alluded to the system and how just complex it was and how different it was. Last year. In the offseason, we were excited for change because we were coming off of the Marinelli days and coming off of let's get scheme players not the best players type of mentality, And that change happened. We got better players, at least we thought so, and we put them into a scheme. But

the scheme ultimately didn't work. So where do you sit on the fence or where do all three of you guys sit on the fence whenever it comes to scheme versus talent on this Cowboys defense, because ultimately neither one of them worked well. I mean, I think that the coaches when they put a game plan together and they have a base that they like to play, they want certain types of guys, whether it be body style or what have you, and previous defenses that they've played in.

It just seemed like from the beginning that this defense didn't sink in. And I don't know if it would if these guys had an ota or preseason, if any of it would have stuck because of how bad they were not only bad in the turnover differential, but on third downs, you know, they could not get off the field. And there were games out there, the Seattle games and

the Brown games. I keep going back to the Arizona game where yeah, true, you're not getting turnovers, you're not even presenting that pressure where you can get those scoop and score sack strip fumbles, but you're not able to get off the field. And just all of those things were just indicators of that this defense was not gonna have any success whether you know. Look, that's that's why I think it's very important that we go ahead and get a higher on our defensive coordinator asap, because what

scheme is that guy gonna be looking for? What is he going to want to play? Is it gonna be a one gap read two gap system? What is that gonna be? And so whatever the Cowboys do going forward, they're gonna have to get the personnel together to be able to have it in success, because if you look at twenty twenty, man, this it just wasn't it. Yeah,

I think it's a great combination of that. Heck, And I kind of want to pose a question and just imagine if we had our little number two lat pieces right at a little number two pencils that they give you, right, no no race run it just to just to cut off little short ones, right, And they gave you a piece of paper and they had two circles and just said do defensive coordinators create turnovers? Or do personnel create turnovers? Right? And I think that's a question that you have to

ask yourself. Right, So when we started talking about you know where those where those turnovers going to save his job potentially? And I think as a general manager, as an owner of organization, I think you have to look at that and say, I think those are our players that were forcing those turnovers are not so much as the scheme, So why should those turnovers save his job? Yeah, And the other factor there is your offense played better

down the stretch too. You finally got your offense kind of rolling a little bit with a patchwork offensive line and Andy Dalton with some time at quarterback, and when you put up some points, now now your defense can can pin their ears back a little bit. And it does go back to what Kyle said about the competition the final four games of the season. Competition was not nearly as good as some of the teams they played

earlier in the season. But it is a complex discussion because you know, you can certainly question the Mike Nolan higher from the beginning and say, well, based on his track record, defenses that he coordinated in the past did not have a lot of success. But I do think this was in large scope, you know, a mistake by the organization in terms of Jerry has spoken of this, trying to implement too much change in a crazy offseason with no in person offseason program. They Jerry said, look

the other day on the fan, that's on me. You know, he signed off on that, and they were, I think so excited about trying to shift away from those Marinella years and trying to be a little bit more multiple, a little more different pre Snap that they crammed it all in. It didn't work. And one thing Mike McCarthy spoke to on the fan last week is part of these exit interviews, he's getting a lot of a feedback on we need to do a better job of our

virtual communication. The install was virtual in the spring and summer, you know, and then they had three weeks to get on the field and try to put it on the field. So it's it's a complex discussion beyond Mike Dolan didn't

do a good job. I think there was a lot of reasons why it didn't work, But ultimately he's the defensive coordinator, and the final stats are I'm not gonna be too nice here, heckma, I mean, the most points allowed in franchise history, the second worst run defense in the league, and just a gaggle of big plays allowed. It just something had to change. Hey, Rock, can we go back and look at whatever Cleveland did for their install this past week? Can we go back and just

just copy right. And you know what I was gonna hit on that. That's a that's a great point. Did you guys see Baker Mayfield's post postgame interview last night where he talked he talked about, you know, patchwork offensive line, and he said, you know, this guy stepped up and there's a guy named Zach or somebody that I introduced myself to in the locker room pre game, and he

stepped into a great job at left guard. You know, like that now, that is the definition of adversity, and that's why you hear it from Team brass like you cannot, you know, stick those COVID excuses for too long because other teams have made it work. That was another team with a first year head coach as well, and a whole entirely different coaching staff or new coaching staff, and quite possibly Kevin Stefancy's gonna win Coach of the Year. I mean, at least if he doesn't, he should be

in that conversation. I think he does end up winning Coach of the Year. But with that's a great point, Rob, because you can make all of these excuses. Excuses are easy. It's always been that way. That's the cheap man's out way out whenever it comes to two mistakes. And I don't think Jerry made excuses on one O five three to fan this past week whenever they were talking about kind of the coaching higher and kind of the season that went along. I don't believe he was necessarily making

excuses because there were challenges along the way. But Isaiah, do you really look at this as maybe the biggest regret that maybe the front office had this past year was hiring a guy like Mike Nolan and trying to switch things up as emphatically as they did going into a year like this. I say, no, I just think it's I think it's just another guy that they just swung a miss on. Unfortunately, you know, and unfortunately that

one guy controls everybody else. You know, they swung they swung a miss on the safety obviously, right they on han haha days they swung a miss on on freaking uh poke right, I still right? So yeah, so haha, you swung a miss, you know, and the pole swung a miss and that strike two, strike three dog gone. A defensive coordinated right, But unfortunately the defensive coordinator has a lot a greater effect over the result of your defense.

So it's just if they just swung and miss this all season, you know, and they have to go back and have to reevaluate. See, hey, what what is it that we that we use as analytics as reasons to pick to select somebody? And how can we differ that going forward? Because obviously what we did this year did not work for us. And you guys have heard the same hindsight as twenty twenty, you know, and so you can look back at it. It's it's so good right now.

But coming in Mike Nolan to hire, you know, we were talking about his dad and the lineage of coaching and all of that. Man, So you know, it was just a failed attempt at bringing a guy in that did not have a grasp on the personnel that he had to try and play this over the top defense that he was, you know, trying to implement. Look, the Cowboys right now are in a situation where they have got to figure this out up front to get the personnel that they need to play the style that they want.

What is that right, Are we're gonna stay in three? Four? Are we're gonna go to a four? Three? Because if you look around the NFL. If you look at a team like New England Belichick, Belichick will play whatever defense he needs to beat you. If you got a problem with the Folly three, We're playing Folly three this week. But you have to have players virsatil enough and smart enough to be able to play that. Now, I'm not saying that how players were are not smart and willing.

I'm just saying willing, we didn't have the guys to play it. So let's not try and make something out of these guys that they aren't. Let's get the guys in here that we need that can actually we can change these schemes and use words like hybrid as it relates to players in the positions that they play. You got it, Yeah, go ahead, now, I was gonna throw at one point in there. The one thing I would say I would add to that, heck, is the guys

have to be willing. You know, all those stings you say are absolutely correct, but you have to have you have to have the right personnel, the right type of personalities on there, and right character that say, Hey, I don't care what I normally would do, I don't care what type of scheme I would flourish in best. I'm doing this for the greater good of the team, and I don't know if we have all those guys on

this team. Yeah yeah, I mean based on those um, what was it the unnamed sources early in the season, it sounded like there was some pushback at least somewhere, and then three veterans they parted ways with mid season, Worley Poe and Everson Griffin. But you guys nailed it like that's That's another part of this discussion that makes it kind of complex, is the personnel part of it. You know, they did Isaiah, they swung and missed on

some some free agents, and they didn't multiple guys. Yeah, you know, And I think, you know, I disagree with people that say, well, this is the same defense that was middle of the pack last year or the year before with with Rod Marinelli in charge. I disagree with that because I don't think, you know, I think they missed Byron Jones. I think they missed MALIEK. Collins in the middle of the defensive line especially, And you have to factor injuries. You know, you lose Tristan Hill, you

lose Joe McCoy in camp. They could have used Jeff Heath at safety. They could They definitely could have used Jeff Heath at safety this year. Those positions were not filled adequately, and you had some injuries on top of it, and then you had whatever confusion disconnect with the scheme itself. It was just kind of like a perfect score storm of The result is one of the worst defenses the

Cowboys have ever had statistically. And when you talk about the guys and not having the right guys, I think that's a great point because I think one of those right guys was Byron Jones. And I think that's the biggest loss from last year to twenty twenty was not having Byron Jones because even though he didn't have the interceptions, everyone's going to look at the interceptions and say he

didn't have the picks. I don't want to hear that, because he locked down thirty three percent of your field, So that way ten other guys had to feel the rest of the sixty seven percent of the rest of the field. Two thirds of the field were where ten guys were, and then one took care of a third

of the field. That's exactly what Byron Jones did, and you didn't have that out there this year, but outside of the personnel, Rob, do you feel like Mike Nolan got a fair shot from his first year in his only year in Dallas because you'd, like you said, you could have questioned the hiring from the beginning. So he got a shot. But was it a fair one? Yeah? I mean I think so you had you had a full season to try to put it together. I think you know, as we mentioned earlier, the COVID excuse lasts

for a certain amount of time. But when you see other teams having success, and I think the Cowboys officials have said this, you know at a certain point you can't you can't use it as an excuse. And I don't say it's an unfair shot. I do say there are other reasons besides Mike Nolan for why this didn't work. And look, and I'm this is it's a really good, fun office that does a great job of evaluating talent. But there you know, there's some moves they made that

didn't work out, that didn't help help matters. Now, would Mike Nolan have had more success with a full offseason to implement his program, I have no doubt about that. But this is the way the world is, right now and something had to change. And the other part of it too is there we're going to find out what the salary cap is. Odds are they're not going to have a lot of room to make a bunch of big changes to upgrade personnel. So what do you need to do? Then you probably need to get a new voice.

If you're going to change something, get a new voice, new scheme, whatever you need to do to try to make the players that you do have better. Isaiah, I'm still laughing there wanting to say something. The nice Rob was like, yeah, no, I always tried, but yeah, you can't. You can't. Y repeat the question for me, So, yeah, that's that's funny. It didn't Mike Nolan get a fair shot here in Dallas. Uh. Fair is such a subjective term. UM,

so yes, fair, yes, absolutely. He had all the resources, he had, all the opportunity to all the support, um, and he had talent to work with. Initially, boom, a fair shot. Get in there. You try to get your system in. Everybody had the same opportunity, try to try to, um, you know, teach their system via virtual uh this year Um and then guess what guys that he brought in you know along with Will McClay and everybody else. Guess what,

they didn't work out. They didn't work out. Your your guys that you had your mark on did not work. As if he was supported. You have say in the type of players that you want, and you can best believe that he went to Will McClay went to Missus Jones and say, hey, I want Griffin, I want Pole, I like Worthy. These guys work for what I'm going to try to do. They definitely they definitely talk to him about that. So you can best believe that he had a pardon that. So guess what he swung a

miss on those personnel. Then he had injuries. Crap, guess what. Injuries suck? They suck, right, They suck for the players, They suck for the for the guy, for the for the defensive coordinators and I out there trying to figure things out. So but as a defensive coordinator, guess what, you have to adapt? You have to adapt. You just heck me, you just talked about coach Belichick king of an adaptation, right, he just figures it out. He doesn't care whatever personnel he has. He got his butt kick

this year. But do guess what he had what ten or eleven starters that decided to to sit out this year? Right, But guess what, you still play competitive ball. You still figure out a way to go out there and try to put your best foot forward. And the other notice is he was coaching, Nolan was unable to convince his guys to play for him. Yeah, and that's just a respect factor. Guys play for people that they respect. Were we in the locker room, not at all? Were we

at practice this year not at all? Right? But for whatever reason, there was a disconnect there. And at no point, at no point did it seemed like these guys were playing for their coach. And you could take that same correlation and look at other teams and it appears at certain times, most times they're playing for their coaches. Um. Last night was a perfect example for Cleveland. Cleveland come out and busted Pittsburgh in the mouth. Their coach wasn't

even there, wasn't even there. You could best believe they're playing for their coach. You could see the difference. Hey moa like sixty years of cowboy football and Mike Nolan's defense gave up the most points and second and most yards. Heads were gonna roll you knew it. I mean, and I don't mean to say that about mean coach. Coaches have families and this, you know, I'm I know all too well that that that you know, you don't want to see guys have to uproot their whole families and

things in this situation. But something had to give. And for the historic numbers that this defense put up, there was no way they were gonna bring him back. And it didn't matter aside from making a playoff run that I mean, they had to make a significant playoff run for him to keep his job. But but yeah, the numbers and the writing was on the wall, especially like you said, Rob after the Ravens game. And the other

part of it too is looking forward. You know, we talk about the challenges of a virtual offseason, it quite possibly could be the same situation by the time we get to April. We'll see. I mean, he well, I hate to break Brandon. He referenced that last week that that it's you know, we've got to improve that part of our off season training in the event that we

have to keep doing that. So they did not do well with that last year, and so that's going to be a challenge for the next defensive coordinator whoever that is. And we'll get into that soon, Kyle. Yeah, And I feel like we all learned a lesson in the point of let's not throw a party until we know a free agent's going to work out, because ever and haha, Clinton Dix and Dontarre Poe and Brandon and car I mean, there were so many different signings that we were like, Yeah,

this is gonna be great. We're gonna go win a Super Bowl because we finally have a defense. No, no, no, didn't work out because hey, everything is great until you put it on the field, and then you got to actually play the game, and that's why they do end up playing the games. Now, I want to take a moment here before our first break to give a special shout out to one of our favorite Talking Cowboys listeners.

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Monday morning. But of course we're talking about the defensive coordinator and Mike Nolan out after one year as the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. And there's already been reports and quickly moving processes whenever you talk about hiring a new defensive coordinator, and that's kind of what it needs to be. Whenever the Dallas Cowboys fire a defensive coordinator,

you'd need to hire one pretty quick. Well, I've got seven names that could potentially be the next defensive coordinator as of the Dallas Cowboys. Now, there have been two that have been really rumored around interviews and one that is apparently flying in rob and that's Dan Quinn. Tell me about what the latest updates are around Dan Quinn, the former head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, and what is the potential with him coming in. I want to

hear these o their six names. Yeah, okay, you want first, Yeah, I want the sixth first. Okay, So I'll go down the list. Dan Quinn is number one, and I think that's the most likely option. Number two on that list, it's George Edwards, number three, Matt Patricia, number four, Joe Barry, Gus Bradley is my fifth name. Winston Moss is the sixth name. Actually I miscounted. I only have six names, so I thought I had seven, but I have six. So that's disappointed. How about this, I'll throw Isaiah stand

back in there. That's it'll be the seventh name. You're welcome, everybody. So seven names to replace Mike Nolan as as defensive coordinator. So dan Quinn, George Edwards, Matt Patricia, Joe Berry, Winston Moss, and Gus Bradley. And if it's none of those names, I will I'll, I don't know, I'll don't do it. I'm not gonna make another bet. I don't. I've already gotten in trouble. Run to the Star. Well, I'm not gonna run to the Star and back. It's not gonna

happen if something else happens there. But tell me about dan Quinn, Rod Phillips. Well, there's two names that you didn't have on your list that the Cowboys have actually talked to you already, and that's Joe Witt Junior and Jason that was the other name that I forgot to rote right down, both of them Green Bay, both of whom worked with Mike McCarthy's on his staff in Green Bay. They are currently the passing game coordinators slash secondary coaches.

Joe Witt in Atlanta, Jason Simmons in Carolina. So obviously there's familiarity there that's always important. But with dan Quinn flying in according to reports, I mean, that's that's a pretty good sign. There's there's good interest on both sides, and so um, whether that gets done, we'll see. But at this point I would have to assume he's the leading candidate, and based on resume, he probably should be,

you know, Yeah, I mean a former head coach. And by the way, Mike McCarthy's, there's a pattern there, whether it's intentional or not. He has hired former head coaches as his defensive coordinators in the past. It was Dom Caper's for many years in Green Bay. It was Mike Nolan last year. Yeah, and I've seen him on list too, just kind of guessing who he might go to here. But Quinn, I mean, his resume speaks for herself. Guys.

I mean he's been two Super Bowl as a head coach, He's been a two Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator, and arguably was the defensive coordinator for one of the top I don't know Isaiah three four defenses that we've ever seen with the LEAs ever. Yeah, ever, Yeah, Now, Dave Qui is a good dude. Man, He's a good dude. Gus Bradley, obviously, I have favoritism towards both of those guys because I've obviously been with both of those guys

at any given point in time. Gus Bradley was actually my head coach when I was down with jaw Jacksonville. He was a defensive coordinator when I was with Seattle. Both of those guys are a great, high energy individuals. They're all about positive energy. They're all about competition. There is no favoritism at all. You earn your key every day. They're going to bring more fire than you bring to the job. It's a it's a positive work environment. And

they're both just awesome and they're both creative. They're both very created there that they adapt very well. It's not like they're stuck in their ways. They learn on the goal, They adapt on a goal, They adjusted their personnel. One thing that they both do really well is they put their guys in position to be successful. Guess what if you're if you're thinking about like a Bruce Irvin, if you're Bruce Irvan, you're an undersize your undersized defensive end.

But guess what you can get to the quarterback? Guess what you are. You're a dog on defensive end. You're not a linebacker today. You play d n because we need you to get there, We need you to get home. We don't care what the stats said, what it says you're supposed to be, you're supposed to be this big, and you're supposed to have as much weight. We don't care.

As long as you could do your job and do it effectively and bring energy to this team and help everybody else do their job well, then guess what, I have a role for you on the squad. So that's what both of those guys bring. And I'll be excited

if either one of those guys are coming in. You know, I really, I really don't have a problem with if the potential of a dan Quinn higher It's just you know, when I look at his coaching history twenty thirteen with the Seahawks, man he inherited one hell of a second for the leading the boom. I mean he inherited some dogs. I mean, yeah, you better have some positive energy you got, Earl scherm Cam. I mean, you know, it's kind of hard to come to work upset when you got that

many goons in your meeting room. Right. So, and also going back to him as a head coach, I think just the wills fell off of his of the team once they lost the Super Bowl to Tom Brady and the fashion that they did, so let's talk about it, right. Also, the numbers in the Atlanta they're passing defense is worse than hours, So okay, I mean, look, I think that's cool.

Like I understand hiring head coaches and all of that, but you know, I think that this team, I think that when you look at coaching in general, going with these names is all right, But this defense needs a shot in the arm. We need someone to come in here with that energy, youthful energy to get these guys up for it. And dan Quinn may be a master at hitting guys in position to do what they do best. But what if you inherit a bunch of guys are

that twenty five percent of them just can't play? All right? So let's just come on. I just like, I don't want to be the Debbie downer in this whole conversation, but I just believe. I just believe that right now, if you're talking about a Jason Simmons, a guy that right now is a secondary coach, the guy that is a name that is rising aunch amongst future defensive coordinators.

You have guys like Rahey Morris that's out there. And also on staff, you have George Edwards, a guy that is known that has that same kind of pedigree that you're flying guys in for. And let's just throw a wild card name out here. Guy by the name was Scott McCurley. He's your linebacker coach. He's a guy that

comes from the Don Caper's defensive school of thought. He is a guy that Don Capers, if you don't know, aggressive three four caller, Like, there are people out there, there are names out there beside those household names that we just want to go to to just say that these guys are gonna be the next up. That's it. You want, you want a young guy, you want Kelly. Do you want the two coordinators to combine have Mike

Nolan's age potentially? You know? And I do. And I think if you if you look at the Stefanskis, if you look at the Stefanskis of the world, the Los Angeles head coach, those young guys, they get an opportunity to inject their imprint on their team. At some point, we just can't go through this whole Oh you got a name, so you could come in and be a coach. No, man, let's let's try something different here. And maybe that try something different isn't the mantra for a lot of these coaches.

But at some point, Scott McCurley has to get an opportunity to be a defensive coordination. He's put the he's put the work in. Hey, heck, that's interesting because just on my list, it's my list. But I Marvin Lewis was a guy that I'm thinking, man, you know, great resume, interviewed for the head coaching job a year ago. I think he's getting some head coaching interests though from Detroit.

But I mean, he's obviously a really, really good coach, and you mentioned you mentioned George Edwards, and it's my understanding that Mike McCarthy has planned to talk to him as well, and he's on Kyle's list, and maybe he already did you know, maybe maybe they already had an in house discussion. So and he's you know, he comes from a Mike Zimmer program, and we obviously think a lot of Mike Zimmer. So that's that's another good name too. Now, heck,

you bring up a good point. And I'm glad you kind of played Devil's Devil's advocate here because I like the dan Quinn signing. I mean, there's there's part of me that that thinks he could I mean, you said he's flying in he could jump out of the back of the plane like you're in call of duty war zone,

dropping in really hot going straight into superstore. But there's another part of me that is a little bit of a tap the brakes sort of guy, because I think there's there's whenever you look at his time in Atlanta specifically, what were the Falcons known for. They were known for offense. They were known for Julio Jones and Matt Ryan and the running backs, and they had a lot of success on offense, but it wasn't their defense that was really the identity. And that's what kind of scares me a

little bit. Is he inherited the Seattle defense, then he goes to Atlanta and those defenses weren't anything to write home about. Does that scare you at the same level that it scares me as because I think dan Quinn would be a great hire, but there is still kind of that that uncertainty that we might have had about let's say, Mike Nolan a year ago. I'm right there, and that's what I'm saying. If you have Xavier was as a far cry from Earl Thomas. So it's all

good when you get players like that. But the evaluation for dan Quinn, if he is the defensive coordinator, is going to start immediately. And not only that he's gonna happen, it's gonna be a blood letting on some of these positions because he's gonna recognize that this guy just can't get it done. Don't matter if the two gap, one gap, couple of four, couple of three can't get it done.

So that's that's that's where my for me, Like I said, I just want a defensive coordinator that can get these guys attention, get the personnel that he needs to be successful, because right now we just don't have it. That's that's it, man, Isaiah. Yeah, I mean I hear you heck, and I respect I respect your point of view. Um, Like I said, I can only speak to those two individuals that I've better. No. No, I just sounds like I'm just setting up just so like I really do everything, I do a great job.

But I'm digesting everything that you're saying. Heck, and and everything that you're saying is exact reasons why I would go with August Bradley or a dan Quinn simply because I like, like I said, I personally experienced the energy. I personally experienced the confidence that they instilled into young players, how they build up guys from the ground up. And yes, he may have been hearing in some some talent, of course, but those guys didn't walk in just amazing. Not all

those guys didn't just walking amazing. I saw some of those guys world from when they first walked in the door to the time that he built up their confidence. Right, he was the first one getting up. They're giving him a chess bump on the sideline in practice, right while the DJ's playing music at practice. You know what I'm saying, Building those guys confidence up, working on their communications game. Absolutely, both of those guys bring the energy. Gus Bradley has

energy out the wazoo. I don't know where he gets it from, right, But both of those guys, like I said, I have seen it and I and I know what they do, and I know what they do with young secondaries, right, especially younger secondaries. But then they also see how they have fun just in practice and how they create this culture. We talked about the lack of culture that are that are that our entire organization has. Right now, both of

those guys bring a culture. And then you talk about, you know, those guys's lack of lack of success on defense in Atlanta. Well, to my knowledge, Raheem Morris was calling the place last year in Atlanta, right, So it's kind of like it's kind of like us, you know, indicting you know, Coach McCarthy with with our offensive woes when there's really Kelling Moore calling the place right. So we have to look at that that you know, from from that, from that glass for a side of things

as well. But you don't like coach McCarthy off the hook for what's going on either, No, no, not absolutely right, No, No, they head coach less stuff comes through or they don't allow things to come through. But they obviously in both situations, they weren't making the calls, right, they weren't making the calls. So that's all I'm saying, looking at it from from that standpoint. And Isaiah, you were there with him, correct me if I'm wrong. Oh, nine, in Seattle, I wasn't there. Yeah,

well no, I came in two nineteen years a year. Yeah, and that was I mean, that was before they were the legion of boom. Really absolutely, you know, that's when they those guys first came in. I mean, I hear you guys, Kyle and Heck, I mean, I you gotta have players, you have. I mean, it's a players league,

there's no question about it. Um. But I do think I do think he's probably willing to adapt his scheme to what he has on the field, because you know, in Seattle they were kind of just a four three defense. They played it up pretty straight up because they had the talent too, you know, where they didn't have to do a lot of crazy. They did more of that in Atlanta because they didn't have Earl Thomas and Chancellor and Bruce arv and Michael Bennet and all the guys

you mentioned. So I would imagine he'd be more adaptable. I just think from a resume standpoint, he's as good if anybody that's out there, you know, well, he's the one with super Bowl pedigree on those on the resumes. I mean you look at even Gus Edwards, he doesn't

have super Bowl pedigree. He played, he was with the Bills for a little bit, then he was with the Vikings, he was with Washington before all of that never even got close or really even sniffed the super Bowl pedigree that Dan Quinn has brought to the table in terms of his resume. So, I mean there's there's positives and negatives for any candidate out there. You just got to figure out which one's out way which, And I think that's what the front office is doing right now. Now.

Rob kind of clarify this for me. I know, last year Mike McCarthy had a ton of say as to who his staff was going to be it was a McCarthy made staff. Is it the same this year or is there going to be a little bit more input maybe from the front office, a little more oversight after what happened a year ago. Um, I think it's yeah.

I mean, I think there's gonna be a probably collective decision here, but I think I think ultimately the Joneses are still going to let Mike McCarthy make a decision on ultimately who he thinks the best candidates for his staff. I really, I really believe that. I think, Um, why do you guys laugh? What do go? Are you guys saying that that Nolan was too much of a like a buddy hire? Is that? I'm all I have is dig my tail in my head right now. It is

not so fast, my friend. That's that's that's lead Corso. Oh yeah, I don't. I don't think that they're gonna give him the full full control like they did this past officeason. I think they really wanted to respect him as a veteran, you know, established of you know coach in this league, head coach and you know, super Bowl winning coach. I think that they wanted to give him that right Hey, let's you know where did joneses. We're

gonna step back and let you do you. There, we don't tip we do this, but we're gonna let you do you. And now they're like, oh, whold on that. No, listen now, now they're not gonna pull a full Houston Texans in and just disregard him like they disregarded Deshaun Way. That's what that's. Yeah, they're not gonna They're not gonna

do that. But I think that they are gonna go with the people with the guys that they feel are the strongest candidates and then come to coach and be like, so, what do you think The reason why I hesitated there is because I think over the weekend because the reports were Jason Simmons and Joe widd who had been with him in Green Bay. It's like, Mike, don't just hire who you worked with in the past. Well, I mean number one, that's not really accurate. I mean, look, and

sometimes it works out great. Joe Philbin was a trusted assistant for Mike McCarthy and Green Bay for years, and he was probably the best assistant coach they had last year in terms of the job he did arguably and he is. And look he he came in here. Let Kellen Moore continue to call plays he hired eyes outside of his tree on other positions on the staff, John fossil Um, others. So you know, I cap the brakes on that. That's all he does, is I guess what

I'm saying here. Yeah, I wanted to cast the water net I want, That's what I want. I wanted to

look at some guys. There are some up and coming coaches that can be looked at as well, but we don't know the whole involvement on whether the Jones, you know, the Jones family is vetoing every guy that he brings in and if he has to get a larger list of guys, so whichever it is, at this point, we have to get a defensive coordinator in here pretty fast because this is the musical chair time in the NFL anyway, everybody's interviewing for positions, head coaching jobs, etc. And you know,

just going back to this, you know the coaching tree. You know, I look at the coaching tree of like Bill Parcels and all the guys that Sean pay and Belichick, all of the coaches that and I think everyone's trying to emulate or get in the line of certain coaching trees, but it doesn't always work. It doesn't always work. And the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, it's going, we want to play an aggressive style of defense. We have the personal the guys up front, our edge rushers, gossip

to come after them. We can't sit back and put our one technique in pass coverage, you know. We gotta get down with this thing and make it look and have something that's that looks something like a defense. Last year twenty twenty, just throw all of that away. It didn't matter the last four games, the turnovers, none of it because it was garbage, the yardage, the rushing. I mean, it turned into a track meet. It was a track meet. Okay,

So your buddies aren't helping you. And if you want to save your job, if you if this is what you're in it for, to win a championship, you're gonna have to get somebody in here that that can coach this up. Because it ain't happen. I'll tell you right now, say hey, I can tell you right now. If I had Gilbert Brown as my one technique, I'm dropping him off in coverage. I'm just saying I'm dropping him off and coverage all three hundred eighty pounds, not Gilbert Brown. Please,

anybody interested in Chris Rashard here? And I was just thinking that, I was just thinking that Chard. Yeah, he took a year off, obviously, I think you throw his name in the hat. But again he comes from that, from that Seahawks tree, right, I mean that'll be three three guys from the Seahawks from Pete Carroll's lineage now, so it's just Pete Carroll. It's just pretty much Pete Carroll's go get under the new Bellichick. Is that what it is? No? Shoot, I know, I know, trust me,

I don't know anymore man after last week. But no, I mean you have to look at everybody into Heck's point. If I if you're if you're mister Jones, Heck and I hear you, I hear you want a young buck, you want to spring chicken that that nobody really knows about it up and coming right and s. But if you're miss, if you're mister Jones right now, can you afford to do that swinging? Miss can't do that? Where I am too, You're missing but but but you can't

miss this time. You can't. Can't. You can't miss on a guy that's unproven. It's one thing to miss on somebody who who's I'm just saying. I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm saying it's one thing to swing and miss on somebody who's proven in this league versus somebody swinging to missing on somebody that you were hopeful for has two different swinging misses too, totally, because you could just you could justify one. This guy's been

a head coach, this guy's won a super Bowl. You just that's the reason why you brought this head coach in, right, Or you can go with the Hey, this guy was assistant to such and such assistant and he's up and coming, he has great energy, guys who are talking positive about him in the organization. Let's go with him. You can't there, that's not enough to lean on. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying that those guys aren't worthy. I'm just saying, if you're mister Jones, you can't afford to swing and miss on somebody who's unproven. Now, one difference would be one difference would be hecked to your point. To your point is Joe Witt and Jason Simmons. Mike McCarthy has seen him work. He knows them very very well. So there's a difference there than maybe hiring a guy who's, you know, thirty years old, who you never worked with

but becomes highly recommended or whatever. How does things ever change? You know, it's it's ingenuity. You have to find a better way to do things. And Sean McVay, Sean McVay in Los Angeles, he wasn't a household name, but he is now and someone took someone took an opportunity on him. And so when do we do that? Because I tell you what, I don't understand these guys that feel their way to success like Dan you know, the Dan Quinns of the world. I mean, you you just got fired, bro,

your your your defense was last in passing. And I know we put this on Rohey Morris, but he's at the helm of all of that. So you're supposed to be the defensive guru, right. So I'm just saying, sometimes times you have to look outside of the box and maybe that's the thing that changes or changes the trajectory of your success as an organization. That's all I agree.

And Sean McVay is an extreme case. I don't know if you can compare any young head coach or any young young coach period to a Sean mcvagh because that was a special case, something that worked out perfectly. And right now I'm past the point, and maybe this is because of Kellen Moore, but I'm past the point being the Dallas Cowboys and having one of your three most important positions on your coaching staff learning on the job.

That's what I'm scared of. I'm scared of having another learning on the job moment and I get wanting to change things up. I really do, and maybe you have to, and that's where maybe your position coaches and your special analysts and things like that come in. But I think if you're gonna swing at a defensive coordinator, you need to swing at someone with pedigree. Maybe that's Dan Quinn, maybe that's somebody else on my way. I'm not saying the game about more points than any coach kid sixty

years Mike, no one talking about this. Petty didn't even have a beat in your hand. Mike Nolan didn't have a good resume, or nearly as good of a resume as a Dan Quinn did not nearly. Hey, heck, what would you heck? But what would be your sentiments if they just said, Sean Lee is a defensive coordinator in Dallas. Cowboy, Oh my gosh, that's not what I'm talking about. Isaiah, Okay, that's not what I'm doing. Only thirty four. You know

who he is. You know, you know smarty is you know this guy's best you that's not Oh I love it. I love it. Heck was so flustered, and that's when I did. That's what I have the best spot on this show. All Right, we're gonna step aside. When we come back. We're gonna talk about one of the best mic drops in the NFL's history. And then also we may give you a cheat sheet on free agent, so we might talk about the coaching staff a little bit more.

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the Dallas Cowboys. Welcome back in final segment here hecma rocking those bows Quiet Comfort earbuds as all as always, But I wanted to kind of go into a moment that happened yesterday in the NFL playoffs and Jimmy Graham, tight end for the Chicago Bears. Excuse me, and what could be his final season and maybe his final catch of his career, had one of the best mic drops I might have ever seen in the NFL. He goes

over the Middle's the final play of the game. Chicago's already losing and New Orleans has wrapped this thing up, and he goes over the middle and he makes a fantastic one handed grab. I believe we have the clip here of Jimmy Graham going across the middle and going into it. But does it have audio? Chris, does this have audio on it? No clip? Okay, yeah, let's go and roll that clip. It's rolling right now. Okay, cool, So whatever, you look at this. He makes the grab

one handed. Touchdown times expired. He continues and just runs straight into the tunnel, just runs straight into it, kind of I mean, Randy mosses it. I mean, goes straight up the tunnel. Just a fun way to say goodbye to Jimmy Graham, who of course had his career in New Orleans. But Isaiah, as somebody who has played in the league and had some mic drop moments yourself, is this the best mic drop you've ever seen. It's pretty

dug on good Man. That's a heck of a catch obviously, is it, you know, garbage time, But if that is his career inning catchman, he hats off to you. I know he had a bumpy, a bumpy roll in terms of his career, but I think he's pretty dug and well respected around here. So um, if that's how you send it off man and shoot, put that on replay, put in a dog on case and just rolled it over. He should have kept the ball though, he should have got Yeah. I don't know why he dropped the ball. Yeah, yeah,

I don't know. That's probably guess that was a mic. You know, that was a mic drop, but that was the drop of the mic. Yeah, uh, Rob, I mean, I know you've gotten the cover Jimmy Graham before and kind of his career. I mean, is he one of the better tight ends in NFL history? Yeah, I mean, I I've watched a lot of Saints football just because that's how I grew up pulling for through family and stuff.

So yeah, he's an amazing tight end. He's he's one of the tight ends that kind of changed the game in a way along with kind of kept it going in terms of what you know, Tony Gonzalez and Jason Winn did a different type of tight end. Gronkowski best mic drop I've ever seen in any sport when Damian I mean a little hit that three pointer to beet wave goodbye, Wave goodbye. That's the best mic drop. I

don't think he can ever be topped by anybody. Wow. Man, I think I've loved Jimmy Graham since the you and since he was his Miami days, and Miami has a thing for turning those tight ends into superstars. And man, that's just another one of those Jimmy Graham moments had. He's had a fabulous career. I really hope that this isn't the last that we see of Jimmy Graham because he showed this year that he had something left in the tank, and so just Chicago and Traubisky and there's

just the quarterback struggles that they had. This may not have been the best year for him, He's still had fifty receptions. Like you said, I mean, he was somebody who had a legitimate impact for Chicago. Eight touchdowns. I mean that's the most Yeah, Yeah, that's like one. Now, Rob's got me thinking I'm trying to think of other

mic drops. One of which was against my favorite team in the MLB and Major League Baseball was a Jose Bautista bat flip and the a l DS back in what was that twenty fourteen twenty fifteen U and Jose Bautista had the bat flip where he threw it up in the air. Um, he got punched in the face for that too, didn't he He He did get punched in the face for that, Thank goodness. Yeah, Rugi o'dor came up and stepped up. But I'm trying to think of

what are some Cowboys mic drops if we had any. Um, I think Brad Sham had a really good one with the move over Sweetness make place for Emmett call. That was kind of a broadcaster mic drop, even though he didn't necessarily retire after that. But rocket Ishmael against so Uh then the Washington football team in overtime, Troy Egman rocket rocket Ishmael. That maybe one. That's a long time ago. That's a good one though. No, I like that. That's

a good one. Isaiah, you have a favorite anywhere in there. Could the Cowboys could maybe not be not like just like spire off walk off. I mean, obviously I think to my times of Seattle and watching watching King Greek Junior and the Kingdom was it in the playoffs and he hit that dog on inside the marker. You know he was he was, he was rolling. So that was that for me? Is this big moment. But other than that,

man nothing crazy. I mean yeah, without Michael Jordan, I think Michael Jordan has the best walk off the gatorade hand to come on, that's just like you know, dog getting no better than that. So the push off on Russell that what he escort. Yeah, but then but then he went back to then he came back again, which that never happened. The Wizard. The Wizard has never happened. Yeah, well, what are you talking about, Rob, I've never said any of that. I'm trying to think Cowboys, Mic drops, and

I can't. I can't think of any on top of my head. Might be a good might be a good list of put together though? Yeah, maybe we maybe we need to look into that. Now. Well we will get into free agents and things like that. We kind of ran out of time in this show, so I think we might save that for next week to kind of talk about which free agents are most likely, uh to go back and forth. Oh, Douglass just sent me a mic drop on my phone, but I'm unable to look

at it at the moment. But I mean, we're gonna look into coaching stabs and free agents along the way whenever it comes to the Cowboys off season. I mean, they're plenty of guys, especially in that secondary, that could potentially go elsewhere here over the next couple of months. And I mean there's a lot of overturn that's gonna happen, especially whenever a new defensive coordinator comes in here. But I want to each of you guys to give me

a name. If you had to say, one free agent on the defensive side of the football that's staying this year, who would it be? Who would be your number one guy to stay? And we'll start with you, Rob oh Man, I'm trying to pull up my list. Yeah, no, I need to see money too. There's a couple of them. Heck, save me, Jordan Lewis, Why there you go? Why Why is that dack Zack? For sure, we DA's not on the defensive side of the football. But Chris just yelled

it in my ear sou But Jordan Lewis. I think Jordan Lewis, you know, when you talk about what he can do from the slot position, especially if you give get better safeties, I think he's service. The boy's a tough guy for his size. I mean, he had the penalty that made him look like a knucklehead, but he can make it back from that. Other than that, man, I don't see anyone else that I would want to bring back, just skill set wise and what he has in this wheelhouse. That's why I say Jordan Lewis. Okay,

that's a good one. You ready down there? Yeah? Who I would want? I would say I'd bring Alton Smith back if I could. We'll see what the what the cap situation is and what he might get on the open market. I don't know if it's gonna be a Robert quintype situation last year, but I think I think in terms of a rotation, he can certainly help you.

But I like the George Lewis one c J Goodwe does he count because I am definitely I am you know, he played like eight snaps on defense this year, but I am definitely wanting to bring him back to captain my special teams. Yeah, I would like that as well. Isaiah, y'all know I'm a Joe Thomas fan. Yeah, Joe Thomas fan. I think he's assistant man. Yeah, he's I think he's just gonna say. I like guys that you can rely on. You know, you know, you know, he's gonna be there,

He's gonna be where here supposed to be. He's gonna play hard, he's gonna play fast, he's gonna hit you. That's I mean, that's something that you could that you can lay your hat on at that position that we may not have been able to do most of this year. Yeah, he doesn't have a high ceiling, but his flour is a little bit higher than I think maybe even Jalen Smith's is. Whenever it comes to that linebacking position and uh, talk about you guys, Mike. You know you guys know

how I feel about about that position. No, we don't tell us some more. Do I need to say it to hear this? We're saying it with my chest. Yeah, whatever, h we'll talk about it next week. We'll figure it out next week. But that's gonna do it here for us. On Talking Cowboys, presented by Geico so glad you've been with us here over the last hour. Be sure to join us next Monday, same times, same place, eleven thirty

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