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Cowboys and there's so much to talk about. Kim Garrison taking your phone calls. I'm Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Brian brought us and Brian just got in here in the nick of time for the start of the show. And Brian, you've already missed a lively discussion between Mickey and Rob. It's a shave five minutes ago. We didn't start this show. What we got going here? Oh? A lot of safety talk? Yeah, is the bearded one? Is he acting a little a little violence today? This is

a carryover from upstairs yesterday. Oh yeah, okay, So it's my time we bring it to the air. Yeah, and we will over the course. That's a great show too today. Then that's right, Dan. We are now less than a month away from the NFL Draft. You're ready for it, Brian, you know, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I'm a little nervous though. I'm a little nervous because I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to have any extra picks. You know, I might not, I might, I don't know.

We'll see, but yeah, buying them now, you know, I'm just trying to see. I'm just trying to see what's gonna happen with this, uh, this defensive end. You don't want just six picks. Huh. Oh, you're talking to a guy. Give me as many picks as I can get. Yeah, yeah, but no, I am ready, Bill, I you know, I still think there's some guys though. Again for the draft show,

we'll talk about the down the line guys. We're kind of into that mode right now, looking at six seventh round guys, but you never know that's those are guys that come in and you get a Xavier Woods or you know, Anthony Brown or somebody like that that you have a third round grade on. They grabbing the sixth round and seven round. Yeah, and there's a lot of guys. This is a pretty good draft for depth throughout the draft. It's okay if we talk about the defensive end. Jerry

said he couldn't talk about it. Yes, and we will talk about the defensive end. I was talking about the other defensive end, not the defensive end you're gonna have to try and trade for. I was talking about the defensive end you're trying to sign. Yeah, that's what I because you're you're well, you alluded to the fact that there's a possibility, you know what, they could acquire a pick. We floated a lot of ideas and it's probably again it's but you're just trying trying to cover all your bases.

You know, you're trying to cover all your bases here. And I don't know. I mean, I thought initially you probably could grab something pretty high, but this talking to guys around the league, there seems there would be a market. But I don't know if the market is exactly what you want it to be. And I think a lot

of guys are worried because of the shoulder. That's where I think that I think they're worried about this player the most, well, this player, like we can you can talk about Laura, No, no, no, you can talk about Lawrence.

I'm sorry, you can talk about Lurred. But guys, I was trying to get a gauge about you know, because we we we mean are the draft show floated some ideas about, you know, could you get a one in a two and so you know there's people they're saying, well, you probably couldn't get that, but there there does sound like a market for him, but not at the one in the two. And but I think the biggest thing is the concern and Jerry even said this yesterday, was

the shoulder injury. You know, the surgery. That's a concern. So I think that's going to limit what you probably could get out of this steal. Well, I like the way Jerry put it, because everybody thinks DeMarcus Lawrence has the hammer on the Cowboys because he's got to have shoulder surgery, and that if he doesn't get it done until the contract gets done, then boy, we better get

the contract done. And Jerry pointed out, I thought quite accurately that a lot of money in these deals goes into the first year and you would expect the player to give you a full first year and if it doesn't, if he doesn't because of lack of the surgery, that depreciates the amount of money you get in the first year.

So how much of a recovery time is there for a surgery, like doctor Spagnola, doctor, I would guess three months, a couple of months, at least three months, yeah, three or four months maybe, But again it you know, he wasn't going to do much in the OTAs he never had, so he would need in order to be ready to play the opening day the regular season by first of June. First of June, he would have to have the surgery. Yeah,

and the July fifteenth deadline on the franchise tag. So yeah, it's um So if you waited until July fifteenth, he'd missed the first six weeks of the season cost himself some money. We got Dave Hellman out there in Phoenix talking about it, Jerry's quota saying it's in the works. We're communicating that's what you got until you actually meet to sign the contract. So I mean, he's pretty tight lipped on it. I don't know. I wonder if this thing is going to drag all the way to July fifteenth,

like the Dez thing. And I'm not saying, oh, you gotta hurry up, Mick and get it done because he's got the hammer, But I mean the Deaz thing did not work out from a standpoint of him missing offseason workouts, not being around. I don't know if he was in tip top dead shape when he got in there. And I know Lawrence is different because he's gonna be coming

off a surgery and injury. But I know I would like to think the Cowboys want to get this done quicker than later because the agent, well that's the other That's exactly. It takes two sides, no question. I think Mickey is onto something there because none of those guys have signed yet. No, but I I think Mickey, I think you're on the the age and I think there's some legitimate I think there's some legitimate uh hate there that's I use a word, that's a strong word, that

is a strong word. Well, they're reaching for the moon. I think there's I just think that there this this David Canner is a very difficult guy to deal with, and you know he's trying to get the best for his guy. But I think there's some legitimate hate there with this organization. And again this is you know, has Clowney signed yet? No? Right, when do you think that's going to happen? Though? When's Clowney going to sign? Somebody's gotta who's gonna do it first, somebody's got to break

the ice. This guy's not going to do it first. No, he's not, because he thinks he's got the best guy. Yeah. And if you think about it, when you see the little I'm so tired of seeing the crawler underneath my screen ranking the top free agents, and number one is

the Marcus Lawrence all the time. Yeah, that's why I think there's some people that would be interested in trading for him if he was if they didn't have to deal with the injury, but they would also have to deal with the contract, which you know they're comfortable doing that. They're willing to trade. Let me ask you this, guys, ye, is there any chance they resend this tag no and just let him become a free agent? Yeah? I don't see that. Okay, Well, the only way is if they

can cover themselves. Okay, That's what I'm saying is the is the cover Okay again, hear me out on this is the covering. Is the covering doing the trade for Quinn and then trying to sign a cheaper Ziggianza. That's what I've well, and you know, the draft again, this is something we're just thinking about here. This is not

I'm not advocate. I'm just saying, if we're going to look at all the possibilities if it comes to an impass, if it comes to an impass where they absolutely were Mickey's guy won't get won't get it done if he if the agent won't get it done. Do you look at a possibility of saying, okay, if we can't get it done, when do you and then take that money, the potential savings and try and get Dack done, Try and get Zeke done, try and get Mary Cooper done.

You think you cover yourself enough by doing that well. In the draft, By the way, it is pretty deep on the D line, right, They're deep on the D line, But where you're gonna get at fifty eight, you get a better shot of getting a defensive tackle than you do a defensive end. And even at twenty seven that was going to be a stretch. It's more tackle than edge rusher type. Well, yes, in heck, they drafted a defensive end at thirty three and twenty fifteen and DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah,

and how much did you contribute the first year? I mean any defensive end that yelbody got hurt exactly, but but still how much did go How much does a Tacos point Tacos another listening to the show, how much does a rookie defense of in contribute this first year? You've got a better chance if you were looking for someone who's gonna make up for the lack for the for the sacks that DeMarcus would give you, it's got to be a veteran guy coming in or even the

second here. Yeah, the last rookie d n they had really or pass rusher stand up linebacker was d Weare and you know he had some struggles too his first year learning that three four defense. So yeah, eight sacks, yeah, which is still less than what Lawrence said. Nobody's thinking about this, this possibility. I've been begging about it for

three weeks now. Yeah, about going going that route. If if you can't get it done, I have I just still have the optimism and maybe I'm maybe I'm a SAP, but that they know you should have optimism because it's because all I hear is next step, next step, next step? You got it, then you need to sign this guy. But did they also tell you they were going to sign their players? Did they also tell you that you know that hey play another year? Prove it? Prove it

to me again? Yeah? Hasn't he proven it to you? Yes? Yeah, But I just I just think you're gonna pa. But it's got to be done within reason, right, I mean, I've got to figure out it's more than twenty million, dam more than mac No, No, no, it's more than twenty million. But then we're If you're in twenty million dollars, then what's twenty one or twenty two? That's what That's why I'm asking you that question too. Yeah. I don't see that it's gonna be twenty for sure. There's no question.

They've already said they're gonna give you twenty because that's what the tag. That's what the tag is. It's gonna be five years, one hundred million, with seventy five percent guaranteed. I think if he got seventy Yeah, I'm gonna see how quick your math was you that that might be more than they're willing to go. I think it maybe you mentioned something maybe last show Brian about how he's such a respected guy in the locker room. Sure, I mean you think that could locker room takes notice of

stuff like this or do you guys? Absolutely? Guys, coaches do too. This is this is a business though, this is part of it. Yeah, I mean coaches coaches jobs on the line here too. Now think about that. That's something you don't think about it too often when you got a coaching staff that's on a one year deal, Which is another reason why if you do reach an impass with Lawrence, you have to have something right now to take the place of Lawrence out there, and they

Quinn trade could be that start with. In addition to other Yes, I think you have to look at all opportunities here, and it's looking at like what if you lose or your left tackle. You have to have a backup. You have to have a Plan B. So I think the team as they are negotiating with Lawrence, they have to be considering Plan B at the same time. What if it doesn't work out? I'll tell you what, though I'm not saying this is an all in this is it boom or bust year? But we had a male

bad question about this today. Sure, all these guys on one year deals, and this is not unusual for the Cowboys in the second wave to sign guys to one year deals. But they have a lot of guys in twenty twenty up a lot, and I know some of them, they these Pro Bowl guys. They want to get resigned, and probably will get most of them resign long term, I think. But they've got well, I mean at least a couple, right, I mean, there might have to be

one odd man out. Lord, Yeah, exactly exactly, But I mean I just did the math, and they've got over thirty guys right now that will be up in twenty twenty, like thirty four thirty five guys. Your team could look at hell of a lot different a year from now. This is roster, I mean, this is this is a big shot to go and go win it this year, you know, and this is your best defensive player. Now, I'm with Mickey, it's got to be. The deal's got to be within reason. Why have they not got it

done well? Because his rights and if he wants to make twenty million dollars on July fifteenth. He needs to sign the franchise tag, no matter if he doesn't like it or not. They do have the ultimate hammer, by the way, I would just like to know and they and the shoulder surgery is the X factor on this thing as far as when the team's deadline is on this if he hadn't had the surgery done by you, as we say June first, is that where just play with it again? Yeah, I mean, I guess you could

play an entire season, right. He aggravated it in the Houston game. Said I was like, weekstead of eight sacks, he might have fifteen if it's fixed. That's a good point. Brian's a good point. I don't know. I'm not very smart, but I just kind of that kind of popped in my head a little bit. Well, Taco got his fixed. Yeah, good for Ty. Yeah yeah, he's gonna get too now and Nantoine Woods get the same thing done. So yeah. Well, it's very interesting and it's something that in fact that

the outset of free agency. I brought it up when I talked about what the Patriots do with Chandler Jones, you know, and I think it's intriguing myself. That twenty million plus a year, what you can do with that for the next five years? Also, I mean, I love Martin Lawrence and what he's done the last couple of years, but if you don't reach a settlement, uh, you know, a contract agreement with him, then there are some there is a good option out there. However, a lot of

those guys have already been signed. Yeah, So this year, how much would you give up for Quinn? What what next years? Next year's four? Four? Yeah, that's what I was. Yeah, next year's four because what would you pay half that base? Sellary? Oh sure, what's his base and a half? Twelve million? Yeah, six million dollars. Yeah, and it's going into the last years and maybe maybe think about ye in another year

if you if you could. So when he came here where they checking out his back to make sure that he was okay, check out you get a full physical, Yeah, And it was that more so than if he wants to talk about an extension or something like that. I think the agent, I think that he would like to do something like that. But to me, it's Miami gave up for him from the rams right for four right, right, right, I just to me, I, I'm just trying to think of ways to if this, what's the worst case scenario?

Then let's think about this. I think you need both of them. No. Oh but okay with that the Quinn thing doesn't mean you're ruling out Lawrence. I mean, what's the worst case, what's the worst Well, what's the worst case scenario? Let's think about the worst case scenario? Well with Lawrence? With Lawrence a Levion Bell situation right that? Yeah, could it be get fixed and not play? But ten games? Could that be another bad situation? If he gets signed and he well yeah, I mean we are we gonna go.

We can we stomach that? No, I'm just asking our team or can we stomach not? I'm not asking them, I'm asking art little team. Can we stomach that him? Because I'm assuming because okay, let's say he hasn't got the surgery done. Yeah, and they get all the way to July fifteenth, I think he signs it then, okay, sure, and and any seven surgery, and so he's out till August fifteenth. At October fifteenth, sure, okay, unless you resent it, but you got to do that before he signs it.

So yeah, I'm trying, Mickey. I appreciate you being honest about that, because that's what I was thinking. I was thinking, if I get to this thing and I can't find suitable trade. Now I'm thinking, can I take the hundred million dollars that I was going to spend and spend it on mont Rob gave me thirty names basically that I've got to deal with here within the next year.

Can I get those guys done? But can I also help Mickey with a trade on a four next year to get his defensive in And can Ziggy Asa who will know in the middle of April about his shoulder, But maybe Ziggy ons will on a one year deal won't cost me. You know, I'm just trying to hear you. I hear you. I'm trying to protect myself, But I'm also I trust me. I want Mickey's plan. I want Quinn and I want Lawrence. I want both. I'd love to have both. But if I can't. If I can't,

what's the best next thing for me? If I can't get a suitable trade? You know, is it better just to take his money and try and do something else? If if you can't get a trade a suitable trade in the way trade compensation. But that team, in order to get that compensation, that team's going to have to agree to a contract with Lawrence, and they're going to have to probably give him a physical. And if they give him a physical, you're surely not signing him back.

Am I right about that? What do you mean if you if you allow a team to visit him on a physical, you're basically telling him we we it's done, all right? Would you guys be objected if he tries to find a team to trade for. I mean if if if you let Cantor, if you let Cantor try and shopping, would you guys be objected to that? I don't think you want another team to give him a physical. They might find out too much. Then if that's the case, then what we need to do is you're talking about

Oh no, Mickey, you're being smart. No, no, you're being Smart's the shoulder? Yeah, yeah, Well you'd have to do that though, right No, no, no, I'm saying, but yeah, you would want to do that all before the draft, right because you want you want to pick now? Yes, yeah, see, and that leaves you with a gun to your head for don't say that. Please, Okay, I don't like that thought hammer, thank you, that works, that's better. I hammered here, please for your fingers. I understood you the first time,

but thank you. And you've only got thirty days now, right, Yeah, this, I just want my man back. I want I want to load up and go win this. No, no, you guys do want them. I don't. I mean, it's got to be within reasons. That's a hard question, that really is. But it's got to be north of twenty million dollars. Yeah, but that's what I I'm not privied all this stuff obvious, none of us are. But to me, it's like maybe they should that we could spend this the right way

for work. But that's twenty million bucks, right, that makes sense. That's you know, that's the tag. That's twenty two makes sense? What's what's mac something? Twenty two makes sense? Sure? Okay, yeah two time pro ball give him twenty two. But then he didn't get as much guarantee. There we go, Mickey, take a little sixty and I'll give you more guaranteed sixty guarantee. Yeah, see, I think it's more than that. I think you know, if you offered him sixty guaranteed.

I wonder if that would sounds pretty good to me, you know what I'm saying. Maybe they're worried about the guarantee, like because of the injury history. M H. Twenty guaranteed sounds pretty good to me. One guaranteed. But let me ask you this, though, do you think do you think they're do you think the problem with this maybe okay, probably some of the agent, but maybe the injury history. Do you think the injury history bothers him for a

long term deal here? Well? But I thin on the guarantee, it probably gives him a little bit of a pause, could be except he you know, they franchise him last year and it's basically said go prove it again and he did. Yeah, and so what Brian brought us screaming at him? So they they don't know maybe this now, but now there's a shoulder thing. Those things are pretty common. You got two guys on the day line that have

already had the shoulder thing. It's a labor hum. Those things happen, um when you're pulling and tugging on guys for sixteen games. He has a good player, though, so if he has to. So if he has to play on the franchise tag, he would have ended up with a guaranteed two year, thirty thirty seven and thirty eight million dollars contract. So that's nineteen a year. See, if he plays on that tag, he's gonna play ten games for you? Am I right? Wrong? Yeah, because he's gonna

have the surgery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's gonna play ten games and then were and then he's gonna walk. I don't like the sound of that. I don't like it. What do you think he would have gotten two million dollars a game? What do you think he would have gotten if he uh Oklahoma math hit the market? What could he have gotten on the open market this year he's hurt, Well got ninety million. Yes, I still think

he would have gotten paid right to some extent. See, That's why I think my idea about trading was really good until it and then I started people start saying, now he's hurt, he's hurt, he's hurt. Everybody hurt's hurt, you know. So, I mean that's and it seems like to be the hold up of the Cowboys right now

that he's hurt, doesn't it. Jerry pointed it out, Um, But that's also you know, that's a that's a response to the to the narrative that or the notion that day've got all the leverage, which you know, right, I don't know if it is accurate. You've got the tag. I think he said Trey Folowers five years, ninety million, fifty six guaranteed forty million, it's signing and he got twenty eight point oh seven signing bonus. So that's the

bottom end of the market right there. Rusher in this league, and he had all of twenty one sason three years in three years, three years, three years and seven and a half last year, which was his career high, and the Marcus has had twenty four in the last two years. Right, Well, if he wants to go play for Detroit, then he should have gone negotiated with them. Brian, you have another point to make or no, I'm just sitting there thinking

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I just wanted to do it for Scotch cook for myself. I love it. Where where are we? Bill Well on Twitter? Stand to Junior says Quinnon Williams, defensive tackle Alabama. I heard we love him? Well? Who doesn't love Quinn Quinnon Williams. Do we give up our next number one and a fourth or a guy who can change our defense right now? That would be if you had that pick where you were when you picked Ezekiel, that'd be a great spot to grab Quinn and Williams. You meant, like the twenty

twenty number one is that? Yeah, no one's doing What if the team in the top five really loves him too and wants to have a good player this year instead of maybe next. When you have no idea who's out there, there's you have to up the anti considerably. And since you don't have a number one draft pick this year, you ain't getting quinnin Williams all right, and Mark Bristow says, sign Ansa Quinn and either Sue or McCoy trade Lawrence if you can't sign him soon. You

know that sounds like a hell of an idea. They're they're they're looking to unload McCoy. M's he's and he's from Oklahoma, of course, Oklahoma City. And I asked him I would saw him on the red carpet at the NFL Honors And I asked him specifically because that you remember that weekend Super Bowl weekend, the reports came out that Tampa Bay was looking to unloading new staff, and I said, wouldn't you just love to come play for

the Cowboys? And he just smiled and said, I'm going to stay politically correct, but he would love to play well. When they asked the GM what's his name, Jason Light Light, he said, I can't say definitively microphone front of face anyone. I can't tell you. He's a great player and ideally we would love to have him here. Okay, so ideally, okay that we're lying playing out Mark Bristow's tweet. Right here, Quinn and McCoy, Mark Bristos yes, McCoy has some financial

situations there because he's got a thirteen million dollars base salary. Yeah, all right, and so and he's still getting three years six. I'm just trying to take this twenty million dollars allotted to Lawrence and we're going to allot at to McCoy Quinn and ANSA would will twenty million dollars get that done.

I'm sure ANSA doesn't agree with it. Yeah, I would think that if you could take, yeah, the money that you could, I would start on the quarterback or the run or the receiver, you know it, depending on what you think about the runner. I mean, but I would start on the quarterback, where the or the wide receiver. Yeah, I think I would. We're hearing now about quarterbacks about to get extended. Guy in Philadelphia potentially get extended. Guy in Seattle, how about the guy in Atlanta? The wide

receiver getting extended? When you want to kind of jump in there quickly before that one turns into a twenty million dollar deal. Maybe, And they're talking, I mean at the combine, they had negotiation. I mean they you know, it's it's early, but they had talks with the agents for every guy, top guy, that's up for an extension here? Sure? I mean you know they can multitask. It doesn't have to go I don't think it has to go Lawrence

and then wait on everybody else. So it sounds like the Edge Rusher might be a bargain maybe compared to maybe dollars they're gonna have to absolutely, guys, absolutely right Logan in California, you're on Talking Cowboys. Hello Logan, Hey guys, how are you doing? Great? Good? Okay, So I have a couple of questions and I'll try to make them

as quick as possible. Thank you. One one, how how likely is it or how good of the relationship between the Joneses and the Raiders organizations that maybe you could trade Lawrence for that fourth pick and get Queen Williams. Can I ask you a question real quick? I kind of like Brian's idea trading him to Indy. Would you then maybe get yeah? Would you do that? Well? He will? He just said he would know if you were the Raider, If you were the Raiders, would you do that well?

I mean they just lost while they traded Kleix. Why did they Why did they get rid of Khalio? Mac too much money. Welcome to the party, my friend. Okay any Napolis, Yeah, go ahead, Okay, Okay, So well if you trade him to Indie, then this is all best case scenario, by the way, So yeah, Indy's not gonna either. Fantasy maybe maybe yeah, in my fantasy. Okay, So if you get Quinn and then you could trade Lawrence to Indy. We Indy just signed justin Houston. Yeah yeah, Okay, Well

this isn't working very well. I don't have a great tame a friend. We appreciate it, but IM glad you're thinking. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean I have no problem with people thinking I love the outside the box kind of thinking Indy, you know, the more I dive into with with their GM and stuff like that, he was going to keep those picks. I mean, Indie made sense because the defensive coordinator, money

and multiple picks. But when you talk to people about Chris Baller, what he's done at Indy, he's gonna stand there and make picks and he it may also made sense him signing up how Houston because he's from Kansas City. Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly. But I appreciate the call though, But yeah, Oakland, he's a great relationship to Joneses have

a great relationship with the with the Raiders. But they they traded away Mac because they didn't want to pay him, so they're probably not gonna want to pay your guy. And frankly trade away Mariy Cooper because they didn't want to pay him. The Quinn thing, I don't think it's a fair trade off not having Lawrence and bringing Quinn in. He had all of six and a half sacks. That's Jeremy Mincy numbers. I would rather have him as a possibility than I would anybody else. Yeah, that's fine, but

you're not helping your team problem. It's not helping me either. That my best player won't helps me if I get him and Lawrence, because the problem is for me is Randy Gregory. Now you're missing six sacks on top of the Lawrence situation. Quinn would help the Gregory situation. I still want my best defensive players signed. I don't want to take a step back defensively going into next season. If we're all in, try and take the next step. I'm trying to get a deal done. That's that's just me.

How's it working for you right now? It's well, it's not working. You don't have late March tomorrow, it's late March. I'm not there yet. We're doing the show once a week in July and it's still not done, then I'll care with you. I'm with you. I'm not I'm not trying to I'm not trying to get rid. I'm just trying to say, if this thing turns into July and we're doing shows once a week and we're taking that break,

you know, we take that break in June. Whenever it is, that's true, we will be taking a break in June. And then and then all of a sudden it gets to where we're getting on an airplane and it hasn't you know that hasn't happened. I agree, Well, then it's too late. Yeah. Okay, let me ask you this, Mickey. Because you're not trading them then no, I know when you're not getting anything to replace them? Okay, what what is your narrative going to be? And I'm asking this

in a respectful way. I'm not trying to be a jerk. What is your because I can do that, you know that what is your What is the narrative going to be? If this thing does go to July fifteenth? What what is it? What are we gonna? What are we gonna say then? Did we do? We are we gonna call it missed opportunity? Or we're gonna call it, Oh it wasn't enough. What are we gonna? How are we gonna? How are we gonna spin this for the fans? I'm not spinning, but explain it? How are we going to

explain it? Then? How are we gonna explain it? If this thing comes to July fifteenth? But see, here's where we're at. A We're we're hamstrung because we don't know what the agent's thinking. That's right, that's fair. And he ain't gonna talk to us. That's true, right, Our own organization won't talk to us sometimes. Yeah, well the agent certainly not, because he's gonna look at you as an agent for the team. Sure, so until we find out what he's asking for, then that'll help with the explanation.

If he wants twenty five million a year, ain't gonna happen. Sure, got other things to worry about, got other guys to sign. Uh, So then you just say, okay, go play on the franchise tag. But again, we're gonna get surgery when we signed the tag, and we're gonna play ten games, right, and we're not gonna have anything to show for it other than those ten games probably, and we hope, we hope it's good enough. Then if you get your dander up,

you resent it on July fourteenth. That's why I think the deadline is more draft time rather than yeah fifteen. That's where I'm at, Brian. I don't disagree with any of you. I'm not trying. I'm not trying to be argumented if you I'm just trying to. I'm trying to. I'm going doomsday here. I hear you. I hear you. While college hoops is still on, I'm not. I'm not panic boat on it yet, but there will be. As

the Master's teas off, though, I'll be there going. You guys arena have to do a Tuesday show without me, all right, you know, because it's it's like, why do you think Tampa Bay is kind of floating the McCoy thing out there? Sure, he's costing thirteen million hours. And the last thing I saw what they had left on the salary cap top fifty one, top fifty one was three point two million. So they can't even fund their draft.

Oh that right now on periscope, Mickey, you're preaching right to him because that's exactly what they're saying on periscope about Tampa, and so the fans are and so you get into a situation like that, there's only so much money you can pay, and we don't know what they're asking for. Is he your best player, best player on defense, best player overall, best player on defense? I think Zeke is your best player and Zach Martin you could put them one A, one B, but he ain't far behind.

But we're gonna have to pay him like our best player, am I right? Yeah, you're gonna have to play him like one of the best players at his position in the whole league. Yeah, which is for what the decision he plays, you gotta pay for that. You know, there's left end well war Daddy pass Rusher. Okay, so what's the discussion in Houston right now? And hen their best defensive player. There are people that I think so, I

think because of the Watt injuries and he hasn't signed. Now, see this is I worry about this being I worry about this being ten games. I hear you, I hear you. That's what I and maybe and maybe that's the best ten games he can give you. Maybe that's maybe he'll come in and give you everything he has, you know, but I worry about that. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't think this was gonna be easy. But I didn't think this was gonna be I didn't think it was

gonna be that's tough. Yeah, I mean, I'm I thought by March fifth, it might be done. You know, well, Chandler Jones Arizona's best player, defensive player or best player

probably Patrick Peterson is up there to sacks one year. Yeah, I think Patrick Peterson's their best defensive You think the Patriots are better off with Chandler Jones or with the five veteran players they've signed the last so they've proven because they have the coach and the quarterback that they're capable of plugging me and winning, right, But are they Are they a better team with Chandler Jones or with the Okay, let me ask you a question. Players they've signed.

Perry Mason, this would be called leading the witness. And you're leading the witness because I think you want it. You want to take that money and do something else like, right, but we're five veteran players every year for five years, but we're back to comparing everybody to the Patriots the pay we're in. No, let's see he's doing. He wants he wants to move on. He wants to move on. You want to sign, Mickey wants to sign. We all want to except Bill. Bill wants to move on. Why

do you want to move on? Because I think that this team will be better equipped to contend for super Bowls if they can take that twenty million because of what you have also having to pay your quarterback, your running back, your wide receiver. You also have a cornerback due Yeah. Um, I think over the next five years you'll be better equipped to contend with five veteran players that you can pick up in that you say every year,

that's fine? Are you okay with saying then in twenty nineteen we're not at the same contending status that we were in twenty eighteen. Yeah, because that's what you could probably have to sell to the fans if you're gonna if you're gonna make this a volume thing to try to like moneyball style, Well, right now, my committee was, I think you can come up with enough in the

next month, but you've got a month deadline. Yeah, try, You've got a month deadline here, or you can come up with enough to offset the loss, which is going to happen first him signer come up with enough depth. I mean, that's that's what has to happen in my mind. Which do you think is going to happen first? You know? Do you feel like if you feel like he's gonna sign then Mickey, do you have a hope he's going to sign right now, like in a month? Yeah? I

have no clue. It's stands it rob at this point. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it dragged into the song I think does Yeah, I mean I don't think he does. But I also thought earlier this month that would get done and it didn't get done. So now the deadlines make deals. The deadline now is July, you know. So where does the

anxiousness come from in March? In late March? I don't know if there is as is there a team out there you think that would be willing to give up a first round draft pick Lawrence in the next month. I would hope, I would hope. A team with a first round draft pick, who Yeah, and they would they would have to all they would have to agree to

a contract with Lawrence. You'd have to give cancion, you'd have to give cancer permission to negotiate, and you'd probably have to give that team the ability to Maybe they say, okay, we'll we'll do the contract, we'll do the trade. We'll give you a second. Well, we'll give you a first. The cow was just saying, but they'll say, but we want a physical. Would say, no, okay, if you don't give us the physical, then we're gonna give you a

second without the physical. You do that deal. As I can work my Quinn deal and sign another guy, yeah, yeah, I can have as long as I can spend my twenty million dollars because without Gregory right now, you have to find two guys who can really get after the quarterback. I mean, and that at this point in late March, that's not an easy thing to do. But if you could trade for Quinn and we've kind of seen Ziggyanza Ziggy the last couple of years. Again, that's what's his

health situation. It's his shoulder. When in like the middle of April, we'll know it's he should be. I don't know what this defensive ends, but but you know now you're throwing Quinn. If you could do it, Quinn ansa. Okay, who else with you? You know? If you when you say taco, people laugh at you. You got Tyrone who can cry out there? Yeah? Exactly do you have enough? Do you have enough to to play that way? Not as much as they want, not as you know, it's

not the same. But are you? Are you distraught right now? Rob? I don't like I don't like the idea of not having him next season. I know we talked about it. It just it bothers me. I think you've got you've got a young defense. Guys would promise in linebacker, back in the secondary, but he's the guy that kind of sets the tone for you, you know that. Yeah, that does make me destroy their defense coming out of Oxnar. I don't think we were giving that defense a lot

of credit. And and you asked earlier, did does the the injuries that he had earlier in his career and in fact the shoulder now but he's played through the shoulder. Does that impact the Cowboys as they look at this contract and it impacts my thinking on it. I mean, if he if he had the shoulder, if he in

the back, is what concerns me. Yeah, sure, if he had played the first five years of his career the way DeMarcus where not missing games you know, although and where wound up with back issues and sure, but not on but not until That's what you get beaten on these guys all day. So do you put DeMarcus Lawrence in the same category as Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Olivier Verden,

J J. Watt outside channel, the same class with Vernon? Yeah, outside line So he got he got paid seventeen average of seventeen m h. Von Miller got paid an average of nineteen. Yeah, so you have to you have to determine is he closer to von Miller or is he close to Khalil Mack? And again, both of them play as outside linebacker, right right, Yeah, but their hands on the ground on probably seventy five sixty percent of the play. They are more speed rushers than what Lawrence. Yeah, they

don't play the run, right exactly? What was that Daniel Hunter deal again? Do you have that one down? Eighty six million averaged fourteen point four million, five year, seventy two million. That would seem to be on the low end. Yes, that was, and I guarantee you the Players Association was going nuts when he signed that deal. Yeah it was undermarket value. Yeah, clay As Campbell averaging fifteen million channel

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are into March madness. Not anymore, Not anymore? Got one I got one right, yeah, one right. I don't know what the one that was. But you didn't pick Oklahoma to win? I did not. What about Jack Black? What's up with? There are some winners at Jack Black and they're experiencing their own March madness right now. Think about this. If you spend sixty dollars or more, you get to

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and stuff like that. What was that was the boss? Right? Boss? What a great game? That's awesome? Yeah that is? Is it really pitt Boss? We're just making that up mess anti persprint and deodorant. All right, we're back. Okay, let's go to Tim and Buston. You're next up. I'm talking cowboys. Tim. Hey, guys, thanks taking my quality. Appreciate it. Sure, Um this Democrats. You know, part of me wants to keep uh, keep

him in sign him. The other part of me is thinking, you know, he's twenty seven years old and you talking about what the Patriots do all the time. It's true, they're not married to anybody. They let guys walk in this still successful quarterbacks. They're married to Brady. Yeah, I get it. But you know what happens. God to vis On Hamptons. You law next year with an injury. Now we're back in salary cap hell, we got guys coming

up next year. It just it scares me to pay somebody that kind of money because it seems like we're going back to the days where we used to do that and then we'd end up in salary cap Hower. So I don't know if they're doing that because they're not spending on the first week in March. They're not spending on free agent guys. I mean, I wouldn't say they're they're being cavalier with their money. It cares to

deal with the comparison to hate the injury. Comparison to by the word comparison to New England is they don't have, and haven't had over the last couple of years, a really good defense, but they had an offense that can overcome their defensive deficiencies. So do you think this Cowboy team has an offense that can overcome a defensive deficiency when a defense last year finished number seven in the league.

All right, So how far can the Cowboys get with their current set up with an offense that can't overcome the defenses? Well, turnovers? Can I just take exception to that? We just saw one of the best defensive games we've ever seen in the history of the Super Bowl. Yeah, but wouldn't say they're deficient defensive. Well maybe the Rams were deficient offensively in that game. I don't know. They scored thirty against this team. Well, the Cowboy they couldn't.

The Cowboys offense couldn't overcome their defense in the playoff game, they lost, right, so now we want to get rid So now you want to get rid of to Marcus Lawrence and you're gonna say, well, that's the way you

know the Patriots do it. Well, the Patriots have Tom Brady. Well, the Cowboys have saved a lot of money because they have signed their new starting safety to a one year, nine hundred thirty thousand dollars contract that will only count seven hundred thirty five thousand dollars against the cap ninety thousand dollars in bonus money two hundred ten thousand guarantee. George Iloca is a Dallas Cowboy. Is he you're starting safety? I don't think so, not necessar Sarah. But Toby just

better than the last safety. That was the narrative I saw on social media was that he was the new starting safe. Couldn't even he couldn't before the numbers came out. He couldn't start in Minnesota. They got a couple of safeties that are pretty good there. Yes, Zendejo, they loved him so much they didn't resign him. He's got he's got concussion problems too, But he's why he only started

five games. He couldn't replace them, though he started three games after Zendoe got hurt, and then some guy named Anthony Harris I think took over. They rotated their safeties when they've had three good safeties. They've had a little three safety rotations. He only played a hundred and sixteen snaps in sixteen games. You were just standing on a hilltop about George Iloka and saying this idea that, Okay,

they've taken care of their safeties. Nobody said that I would rather them draft a guy I have not said add depth. I have not seen the narrative that he's Darren Woodson. I'm sorry, I haven't seen it. That's where you and I disagree. What did he just say? What? What did you say that everybody was saying that he's their new starting safety. I said, I said that the narrative on social media is that he's replacing Jeff Heath as the starting strong safety. When do you pay attention

to social I don't. He's a lurker. I'm trying. I'm trying to educate him. I don't think this precludes them from drafting the safety high You follow the money on this stuff, and that money does not say that he's the starting safety. He got a ninety thousand dollars signing bonus. What does that tell you? He tells you he's on this team for right now. He's going to come in and compete for snaps. We'll see what happens, right. I wouldn't say Jeff Heath is strictly a special teamer now, No, right,

I'll see what happens. In three games he played a hundred in three of his hundred and sixteen defensive snaps. Three games. Yep, he started six years in. I know. So can we turn back to clock a couple of years. You think it's a bad Yeah, I think it's a great signing. I think it's a depth signing. And he can play special teams. That's where he that's what he did from Minnesota. Yeah. See, that's but that's what I'm saying. I mean, you get a guy here that has got

some at least he's play lined up and played. I don't I think that if you're expecting him to be a great cover guy and all those things, he's absolutely not. He's a terrible cover guy. He's a really good tackler. He's physical, he's got size, if you play him down in the box of the linebacker spot, when he gets to plays good enough to finish there. So when they let's say they don't add a second round pick, it's safety or move up and take a safety in the draft.

With what they have on their roster right now, when they go out for OTAs in the first unit goes out there, who are the safe two safeties? I think it's Heath and Bethan Woods. But you know, when Cabon Frasier has played well or when Wilcox they've they've they've earned a little package of plays, and maybe this guy can do that, you know, maybe he can be part of a little rotation to say. I hate to say this,

I'm still waiting on Cavon Frasier. Yeah, and I think there's a reason why Georgia Looka got signed because they're still waiting on Cavon Frasier. I'm saying in past years. No, no, I'm just telling the move. I'm just telling you right now,

Cavon Frasier is you can talk about special team. So I think they're waiting on Cavon Frasier to kind of you know, if you want to be critical of somebody, be critical of Cavon Frasier because if he would have played with any type of if he would have played with any type of promise, you're not signing Georgia Loca. You're not even talking maybe you're not even talking about

drafting the guy. And it gets back to what I said earlier about Okay, you've got to figure out, Okay, if the starter goes down at this position, what do you have coming on next? Well, Minnesota did that last year by and Zimmer was very familiar with Iloca because he had him at Cincinnati. Sure, okay, and they knew if they if the safeties go down, this guy can fill in, plugging in play three games. They did, right, And when you look back with Cowboys, when they lost

the safety, Cavon Frazier had to come in. They needed to upgrade at that position, get more depth there at the safety and that's what they did, right. Depth, that's right, special teams right, and he can compete and you know, and he's been a starter in this league. Who knows if he I think this game the form of two years ago, three years ago. I think this is more

about Cavon Frasier than it is about Jeff Heath. That's right, and that was kind of a narrative out there, is that, Yeah, well, no, everybody wants to get rid of Heath, and I get it. I get it, But you know me, personally, if Jeff Heath could focus just on special teams, the special teams unit would be better. Yeah, you know, I mean he plays one hundred plays a game on defense and special teams.

I'm thinking more of the end of the I'm going back to twenty seventeen Byron Jones didn't get benched, but they gave some snaps to Frasier and and kind of work three guys Like that's a possibility if you see enough from another safety who can step in and help with Jeff Heath there. I think that's a possibility. But yeah, Mick, I mean, I'm not nobody's saying I don't think anybody's saying this guy's you know the answer, and it's going to end up being a pro bowler. I've read it.

They found their safess what they do, they cover their needs in the second way. I understand. Okay, I'm just trying to put perspective on I suggested you go study the safeties in this draft. Guy's not going to be a walk in st all right, final old minute or so here at the league meetings are talking about a rule change on side kick side kick? Do you like the prospect of a rather than an on side kick?

A team in the fourth quarter it gets one opportunity to run a first and fifteen play from its own fourth, fourth and fifteen one play, Yeah, I hate that for from your own thirty five yard make it fourth and twenty five. These guys convert fifteen yard passes like it's nothing. Yeah.

On side kick, yeah, aren't very good. If you get me too, if I get you to an onside kick, I've I've still got a chance to win this from the white yard line, you think twenty five through it from the twenty five yard line, a first and twenty five, fourth and twenty five, four and twenty five. Yes, if you convert a fourth and twenty five, keep playing. I kind of love it. It's very xfelish. So that's what they're doing in the it's fourth and fifteen at the

thirty five. Now you're gonna lose be fourth and fifteen at the thirty five. Is what they're doing in the spring league. Yeah, right, so you would get it to you'd have to get to the fifty right, right, and if you hit an on side kick and recovered it at the forty five, so you Yeah, so it's that's what they're thinking. Now, Well, how about how about okay, hey, let's go back to the Seattle game real quick in

the playoffs. Okay, what if you? What if you? They they got you on the ropes a little bit in that game. All of a sudden, you give up a fourth and fifteen. Now they keep going, and all they needed was a fuel goal to win that game. It was a two point game, win't it? Yep? No, fourth and fifteen and you're playing miserable defense at the end of the game. Yeah, you're beaten down. Yeah, yes, you

could have back off fifteen yards. That's what I'm saying, though, you you let somebody, somebody can convert fourth and fifteen on you. Yeah, for sure, fourth and twenty five is a little bit different ball game there, I think. I mean for the average fan, that would add some extra intrigue. Though. No, you're gonna lose a lot of games. You're gonna lose games. Well, have a good The problem is, but put you with the new cut, right, exactly. So what I want to

win the game. If they're kicking onside kicks to me, they're trying to recover those, that's probably I probably won that game. This won't pass, right, I don't think it will. It might well, see, they just need to worry about the replace stuff they had. They had. It happened in the A game the other night, right, they had somebody convert a fourth and fifteen or fourth and whatever it is. That was an overtime. Yeah they got. I mean, yeah,

how about Brandon Silver's overtime win for Memphis. How are you holding off Johnny Mansel? That's right, starting quarterback, quarterback for Mike Singletary's day as everybody was chatty jotty chatty, and then he put in Silver's after he got his one or two possessions. So you're watching, huh. I was, as a matter of fact, no March madness for Mickey. Now I was flipping then probably was between gay got

the madness part? Right? Yeah, all right, that doesn't for talking cowboys for this week, and we'll talk about DeMarcus Lawrence signing next week. Here I'm talking cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys Dot com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club