Talkin' Cowboys: What's Missing?

Talking Cowboys. Welcome into the s WBC studios here at the Star in Frisco. It is our first offseason edition of Talking Cowboys. Boom. That's exactly how everybody feels at the moment. But we're gonna have some fun here over the next hour because we have until twelve thirty today before Chris Beam knocks us out of the studio kicks us out, so we've got some time to kill today. Rob Phillips, Isaiah Standback, heck Ma, Harrison, Chris Beam, I'm

Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us. Gentlemen. Was it nice having a week off not at all, exactly. It's you guys. Did miss you? Guys haven't had a show since Tuesday. Wish we were still in it, but hey, reality is reality and that's where we are nowadays. Yeah, anybody had the Real Realities the show just before us. That's the reality. Oh the Draft Show, when that starts up, you know, it's it's church. Yeah, that's when it happens. And Draft

shows started up today. But we do have Talking Cowboys every Tuesday throughout the off season from eleven am Central Time to twelve thirty Central Time, So Talking Cowboys. Heck, did you have the heart to watch FRO football this weekend? All right? Yeah of course? Yeah? Yeah, man, I'm gonna miss it a second, man. And what a weekend of football it was. Yeah, I'm still basking in the after glow of Sunday's games. That Kansas City Buffalo game was

absolutely incredible. It's just best game you've ever seen. No, I wouldn't say that's the best game I've ever seen. It's up there, though, it's up there. For me. I would say yeah, for me, it was a conversations for me, I think. As far as playoff games, the Houston Oilers Tennessee Titans game the Music City Miracles something like that was probably that that was one of the craziest players I've ever seen in the football game. So, I mean,

but that was exciting. I mean, look, that's as far as coaching goes, execution, goals, quarterback play goes, all of that was like everything was on point, uh in that game. I mean I'd asked you when you walked in, I was like, man, is there any games that you saw, any teams that you saw that you were just left you green with envy? Uh? Well, Kansas City always Kansas City, Always Kansas City. Okay, because anytime you can score a touchdown and will score in thirteen seconds period that yeah,

who who don't bring that up? What I have to do? That? What human can do that? Because they were fatty mahomes and he had three timeouts. But also what about anybody? What about you? Anybody that you just watched and was like, oh God, I wish I had one of those. No, this game was that the game was pretty exciting for me just because of the standpoint of the execution on both sides right both teams, Uh, they were just it was a head to head combat and it was what

you expected out of those guys. That was That was the AFC Championship Game. I don't care if nobody has to say, um, that's really the super Bowl and everybody wanted to see just can't happen. But Josh Josh Allen and freaking my Homes, their their ability to go up there, handle deeds of the line of screamers, get the ball out, make plays by time, move their team down the field, move the chains, m using their feet tough. Isn't it

just crazy how important that is? Did you see the way that Josh Allen leader pressure had to run the football, but also just buy time because Kansas City got after him. There were pressure after pressure after pressure after pressure. Chris Jones blew up the middle of that line of scrimmage. Sound familiar, Yeah, sound familiar. I mean, but he put them on skates even when they even when they did their job coverage wise, guess who they didn't account for.

They didn't account for freaking Josh Allen and his ability to do what simply run down the field, get down, move the chains, new set of downs that literally wears a defense outs you. If you ever want to see a defense disoriented and discourage. Let a quarterback make a couple a couple of first downs using their feet, It will frustrate the crap out of you. And I think, um, you know, the Cowboys nation might have some of that frustration. And see, and there's a reason why we're talking about this.

There's a reason why because I wanted to back at it, wanted to th throw this questions a week but never left. I wanted to throw this question out there after talking about this and after watching those games you you asked the question of who who did you envy? But did it change the way you thought about the way your Cowboys expectations were tempered throughout the season. That's my biggest thing because I looked at it and I'm I'm not

gonna lie. I was as out of the cake as anybody this season with the Cowboys, and I still am. I still think this team, talented wise, could have done similar things to what you saw this past weekend. But man, the execution, like you said, the quarterback play, the way that things kind of worked out and still the Bills lost. It made me look at the Cowboys and really say, maybe we weren't as close. Who do you guys think

about the coordinators. What do you mean just just from the display of coordinators between being and me and I don't even know who calls the plays for for Buffalo, but it was it was great. I mean to me, that game was And like the Green Bay forty nine er game. You could say the weather affected a lot of that stuff, sure, but that was next level in terms of execution, scheme, whatever you want to say. I mean that that might have been the best two teams in the league, you know, just going at it in

the second round. It's just the way that the schedule held up. I think. I don't know how you could say anything different in terms of yeah, it was better than what we've seen here, especially down the stretch. Yeah. Did it? Did it change the way you think about Cowboys expectations? Yes and no. Like I it's weird talking about this team. It's been weird talking about this team because I think we all picked him to beat the forty nine ers, but a lot of that had to

do with what we saw six games into the season. Yeah, what I saw last ten games made me feel like, yeah, oh kayle picked him to win this game. I don't know about the next games because they worked as efficient. They were not as in sync offensively, and and they relied on take ways a lot to get that done, which you can't count on all the time in the playoffs. So no, I mean, I think where they ended up is not, like, to me, not the biggest shock in

the world. It's the way they came out and played that is so frustrating to fans understandably, and to Jerry Jones as well, who talked on the fan last Friday. I get it. That's and that's the thing, Like you know, when I asked the question about being green with Ivy and you talk about the coordinators, like all of that goes hand in hand of seeing coordinators like Eric being amy in the game that he called was masterful in

that last thirteen seconds point take in Isaiah. But for me, it was it was a young guy in Joe Burrow who had a horrible offensive line, oh awful, who was sacked nine times, but that boy kept delivering the bacon. I mean, he stood in there. He made throw after throw after throw, and obviously if you have a receiver like Jamar Chase, that should makes it a hell of a lot easier, does it, Yeah? It does, Yeah, it us They get him the ball. They got him the ball.

But Jamar Chase, Let's just be fair. Jamar Chase is a whole different specimen of wide receiver. He' isn't that What's what Amari Cooper and clam are supposed to be? The oof oof? Okay, let's just just would you confuse Jamara Chase with Cede Lamb, Aremark Coop? Different styles? Different different styles, both all dominant? Uh huh? Would you? Would you not put them all on the dominant category? They have the talent to be dominant. Yeah, but I mean

one of those three, we only have one year. We only have one year of Jamar Chase, and so I'm just I'm just basing it off of what he did in one year. I just hadn't either of those guys done what he did. So I just want to peel this back here. Just come on, Jamar Chases dominant? Would you we all agree? Yes? Dominant this year? This year, that's all we seen dominant. Look at the touchdowns Amari Cooper, Cede Lamb or beneath Jamar Chase. Is that where we're stating.

I'm saying, if we have absolutely yeah, if we have cars on the we have cars that we're looking at. I mean, let's Ferra reports as like whatever the top up that's with jam So Jamar Chase is a Lambow and Coop and CD are kind of Yeah. As I was coming downstairs, I was talking to Danny McPeak I love McLarens. They're actually their home is I like McClaren's. Hey, give me a shout out. I was talking to Danny McRae, who's if you checked his instagram, he was getting He

looks like he's in the gym. He's getting ready for some type he is getting ready. Yeah, it's unfortunate he's gonna put all that work in for nothing. But but we were ironically we were talking about foot race and he said, I would like to see Jamar Chase and tyreeking you. No, Jamar Chase is fast, tyrekis a cheetah. But I think what you were saying like different types of skills. Yes, those two guys have different types. Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah,

they're they're in a category of their own. However, what I wanted to highlights, and we've talked about this numerous times, it's just the ability, and we've had this conversation, the ability of these officsive coordinators, that what they put on display this weekend to get their play makers the ball. That's what I'm talking about. When you when you ask that question, Robbie, when you ask that question, Kyle, that's

what goes into my head. No other team in the debate comes into in conversation in terms of, hey, well you can't just force feed your guys, because if you force feed your guys and you can stall out your offense and you don't get the other guys the ball. These other teams aren't having that issue at all. Green Bay lost the ball, But who who who do they make sure got the ball? Adam he made He almost caught almost every pass from them, right, Okay, Um, we

go to Cincinnati who got the ball? They're number one? Correct? Okay, Let's go to La the Rams. Who who got the ball? Cooper Cup? Cooper Cup, no question about it. Who else played this weekend? Um? The forty nine ers, who's their guy? Debo? Did they have any issue getting him the ball? No

running back and receiver? So so this I can't I can't comprehend now that the conversation is now coming up that the oh Amark Cooper just wasn't on his game this year, and now all of a sudden there's controversy. Is he's gonna be on the team, should he get aided? Is he getting paid too much? You didn't get him the ball? Is it possible that the fact that maybe Amari Cooper is just not as good as Amari Cooper used to be? That's always I mean, I would imagine

that's what the case for most guys. I mean, I think guys kind of dwindle off. There's a peak in there and then you start resinding. So I think that's the case. But I don't think we could sit up here and say Mark Cooper wasn't getting open. That's a totally different conversation. Yeah, that's that's that's a totally different conversation. If he wasn't getting open, we could sit up here and standing on a on a hill all day long and say, hey, Coop, you Cooper, you're not the same

as you used to be. Hey, you know you're not justified to get paid this much. You know, maybe we need to trade your way, cap space, all that kind of stuff. That's not the conversation. A conversation simply is one sight and saying they didn't get him the ball, but every other team that has a number one gets their guy the ball without compromising their offense. No, you make a great point. And my whole thing was when I'm watching football and I'm seeing guys like, wow, that's different.

Jamar Chase was just a difference maker for the Cincinnati Bengals, And no, we didn't give our difference maker as an opposite. There were points in the season where our office offense was inpt installed out and you could put that on Kelly Moore. You could all this mystery calf injury or whatever it possibly was. But look, man, season's over with. We're here. I don't want a railroad to take this thing off the rails too. No. No, I'm just saying to be a dress going into next year. No, right,

And I absolutely get it. And I don't want to be the one to think that Almark Cooper he's a baller. I see CD Lamp, he's a baller. I'm not looking at these other guys and saying, oh, our guys just can't pull this off. I know they can, but I've gotten accustomed to our coordinator not calling plays specifically for guys, but scheming plays that he thinks will work in games. I've already said it is he calling plays for players or is he calling plays? Which one is it? You know? Definite? Right,

So I mean, look, I can't. I'm hitting my head of cement to try and make this thing change and it's not. I mean, and this is just the way our coordinators work. But you look around the league. You're making a great point. What is Eric be Enemy doing when it's when it's crunch time. He getting the ball to the people that he know can stretch to feel and everybody knows who's getting it right. And there's no

question about it. And we and we talked about Amari so far, but Troy Aitman's on the radio local radio last week and talking about Ceedee Lamb in that game where it's single coverage, why not you know? And the flip side is, like we're talking about these other games. You watch the Bills and Stefan Diggs is taken out of the game. Okay, So Josh Allen chucks it up to Gabriel Davis for four touchdowns. So that's an example of hey, we'll take what they what they give us.

I think I think there's a balance between the two like because the Cowboys have always i mean, going back to Jason Garrett, We're gonna take what the defense gives us. We love our balance, we love all the different options we have, but hey, continue to find ways to get your top guys open, you know, and get it and get and get the ball to But when they take Diggs out the game, did their off install No? No, no,

And that's that's the puzzling thing for me. It's like, well, you can you take that side of the Argument's like, well, damn they should have won that game. Is Gabriel Davis better than Ceedee Lamb not a no? Yeah, there's no way, no no, not today. Yeah, receiving four touchdowns, he followed out and we're all on the same page here. It's all it's all coming to a head. And what is that head. It's the offensive coordinator. I mean that's that's what it has been. And you it goes back to

the conversation. I feel like we're broken records in this studio, but it goes all the way back to he was in the bag early and then the bag ran out, and then he didn't have anything to refill the bag with. And that's exactly what happened all the way through, and there's no reason why an offense of this caliber, an offense with so many weapons. And that's the thing. We're not knocking Amari Cooper and Ceede Lamb as players, but we're saying the execution was not there and it's partly

their fault. Sure it's it doesn't all fall on Kellen Moore, but a good junk of it definitely does. It does, and it a good chunk of it all so false on your offensive line there, I mean, look, after watching the forty nine Ers, another team that left me green within on their offensive line. I mean they came in here and I think for all that we were talking about them, that offensive line has been overlooked. I mean they are mowing people down. That's why Deebo can do

what he does. Do you see the motion with Trent Williams and the way that should be illegal? It should be illegal. It's assault. Should mean the way that you have that man rolling downhill with a head of steam and then just chop walking on the edge rusher. So you said green with MV. Do you feel better about the loss to them now after watching at Green Bay? No? You know what I look man, I feel like physicality watch after watching it a few times, they just came

and they blunched us. They did a really good job. I mean they up Bob. Yeah. I mean it was like that we got fopped in the mouth, Bro. It happened, and it was it was from the beginning. It doesn't matter if you were nerve, whatever, jittery, or whatever it was. I think physicality wise, they showed you that that's who the forty nine ers are. You saw what they did to Green Bay. They mowed green Bay down. They didn't have to score offensively because the game was pretty much

won in the trenches. Him how physical they were in their special teams. I mean, come on, man, whatever you can say about them, they deserve all the accolades, but they're just a physical ass team and they don't go away from what got them there. I think a lot of teams what happens is you have early success, you try and tinker with some other things, and then you get in trouble and you go, oh my god, who are we? And he can't go back into that bag.

I think, Kellen Moore, that's what's what the problem was. What got you successful? And also the injury to Ezekiel Elliott, you got on one through whatever that Panthers game was, and the running game went straight down and there was no more production outter that. We understand that Dak needs other pieces around them to come on now to be success. It's sorry like that. I definitely because I'm seeing I'm seeing very clear right now. Is the what heck was

trying to say. Listen up, come on, he's lifted the chin up on that, Mike. Yeah, I lifted it. Listen up here, Bob, I hear you, I hear you. Heck, but I'm not listening. Okay, Okay, all right, I'm not listening. The reason being again, Jimmy Kansas City leading rusher was who Patrick Mahomes Buffalo's leading rusher was? Who Josh Allen? Josh Allen? Do they have more weapons than the Cowboys

at the receiver position San Francisco? Or seems to me, Kansas City, Kenn City's right there, Yes, Kensey's right there, right, Okay, they're right there. Running backs, neither one, neither one of them has a better backfield than us, even with a Zeke that's injured, correct, and yet they still find a way even without their running backs involved in the game who ran the ball for them. The receivers, you gotta worry about Pringle, you gotta worry about Tyreek, you gotta

worry Abou. You know, Harmon and McKinnon. They find ways to run, quote unquote run the ball. There's not an excuse. I hear you, but there's not an excuse, even if it comes in the form of stepping outside of tradition. They have to find a way as a coordinator to utilize your best players to get what you still need to get done and get it accomplished. And that's what these other coordinators are doing. I'm not taking any of

the responsibility off deck. We're not talking about Dak right now because he has his own things he has to work on this offseason. But the coordinators, I'm just looking square and eye. Coordinators, they find ways to get it done regardless of what they have available to them, real quickly. Because I know you will have a rebuttal to this, but I do I disagree with you here because of the way you just pushed Dak aside like that. Because look at the rushing attack from from the Bills on Sunday.

Ten carries twenty six yards for Devin's singletary and a touchdown long run of seven. That's a similar stat line to what Zeke had the back half. I agreed it was not impressive, but they gave them carries. Still didn't have that efficiency. And then they had McKenzie who had three carries for fifteen yards and as long was eleven, So it's not like he had any success quarterback has that one true punch eleven for sixty eight. That's the thing though, is Dak Prescott wasn't able to do that.

Those guys. Those guys were special Sunday capability and scrambling and yeah, that was but that what attribute does Dak not possessed that he can't do the same thing. Please help me understand. But he didn't do it, then that's a decision, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but he's capable. So see since the injury is capable, he's healthy. On that. Well, we saw a little bit more of it as the season went on, but yeah, I think he was obviously more selective in doing it. And I don't really blame

him for that. I don't either coming off the two injuries. I mean, look, he was trying to get through the season and get to that point the playoffs. I mean, he was and he talked about it like there's a time and a place to do it. He did more of it late, so I think he's still capable of doing it. But I think maybe we're expecting too much from a guy coming off that type of injury to just be the same scrambler. That's thing, you know, you're saying when it's nut cutting time, do what you do.

If you if you if you gotta running, and if the running game is hurting, then be the difference. All right, But the two quarterbacks that you're talking about are different. Different whoa slow down? Hold on, gym shoes, hold on. I'm just telling you. For Dak Hit, what what is in his secret sauce is a running game that completely disappeared at them in the middle of the season. The running back that we're talking about that at the PCL and also the second team running back that with Plantar right,

all of that, the running game just completely tanked. Kansas City has so many other things that they can go to. What else did we do we have once our running game goes away, Because at that point your rhythm is gone. Teams that can pin their ends back and come after you because of where your offensive line is. I know what this is. He just read the stats. But their backfield. He just read the stats at their backfield. The difference is there's no invisible force field for Josh Allen and Homes.

You stay a quarterback making the difference dog on right with everybody, there's no right game. If they want to cover, I'm taking the first I am taking it, sliding, getting my butt up, walking back to the huddle. First day, I'm moved to chains correct that. That's what those guys did. They took They took the bull by the horns and said, screwed his dog on bull. I'm moving my team forward regardless of what I'm comfortable ball doing well. He did

do that to some extent against Sanfray. He led them in rushing. Absolutely absolutely did that guy when he wasn't getting But that's what you're asking for. But that's but there was plenty of other opportunities what I'm saying in the San Francisco Gay in San Francisco game, he only had three carries for twenty or no ten yards prior to the seventeen yard or at the ends. But he could have been. That's what I'm saying. I'm not I'm not asking for Dack to come out here, and you

start saucing cats up like Mike Vick. You and I'm on the same page. We're on the same page. You're saying it's a decision. Yeah, But there's also the argument that maybe, well, no, I no, maybe it's no. I think he did do more of it late in the season. I think you can argue what we saw Sunday, Mahomes and Alan are better at doing that than Dak. I mean that they are more dynamics scramblers that have been from the beginning. But yeah, doesn't mean he can't do it.

It doesn't mean maybe next year or another year removed from that injury, maybe we won't see more of that. I don't know, But yeah, I think that that was less of his game this year coming off the injury, no question about it. But you want him to see him do more of that. I want to see him move the chains by any means necessary. I have a tattoo army to say, by any means necessary, you a one this morning. No, I'm just I'm just I'm all about I don't like you know, I'll try to I

try to take all excuses away. There are plenty of opportunities for Dak to move these chains he did. There are plenty of opportunities for killing, but you're killing the beginning of the seas right. You've been saying right and moved to chains. I'm not asking you to run nobody over. But why don't you think he did it? There's an invisible force field Star Wars what it was like, made the decision. It was a decision not to run. He made the decision not to run. The whole field of

booty button that get open, right, everybody's covered. He's like, ah, who's still down there? Who's still down there? But there's that I can't put my finger on it because I'm not deck, But all I can see is that there's

an invisible force field. I can know that he didn't utilize his feet the way he could have to help the team the way he could have, and Kellam Moore didn't do him any favors by not getting his other guys involved in five sweeps and red birds whatever everybody even whatever, whatever being he's doing, go watch his film.

He figures it out. Another thing, another added element to this that both Buffalo and Kansas City have, and I'm going to take it to break off of this because I think we'll all kind of agree with this, is the fact that they had an added element to help Josh Allen and help Patrick Mahomes run the football, and that was a sturdy offensive line for the most part those two guys. Maybe not Joe Burrow and Kansas and

Cincinnati that's a different story. But the offensive lines from Buffalo and Kansas City are phenomenal upfront, and they allowed those guys to move down field by holding their block longer than Dallas had throughout the latter half of the season of their offense. It's one of the biggest things I got to look at this office, absolutely, So when we come back, let's talk about that a little bit.

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Oh my god, dynamic, I just feel my back a lining back into places still quicker. You're four five? Yeah, who needs feels good? Who needs a chiropractor? Or whenever you got a wallet chain? Nice man? Yes, that means my chiropractor says, get rid of the big rid of wallet in the back pocket. Yeah, maybe maybe. I guess now I'm the one that has the biggest wallet because I've got a stack. Wow. No not no, no, no, you said it. Don't We're not Trayvon Days read dog

on Ezekiel Elliott. You go forward, no back pedley. You said you got a fat stack in your back pocket. That's what you say, cards because that's all I live. Clip that. No, I gotta fatta, I gotta fat, chill chill downs. Got sorry Kyle yourself, bro, Bro, thank you for that, Jim. That just happened. No, no, no, I walked right into that one, Rob. All the references flying around in this room are unbelievable. UM defensive coordinator Dan Quinn. Yeah,

will he be the defensive coordinator next year? It's a great question. I I wouldn't rule it out because because if I'm him like he's he may very well have options here. It might be Denver, it might be more than one team that really wants to hire him. Do they? If I'm him, do I? Is there a quarterback on that team where I feel like I can go win as a head coach next year? And if you don't feel that way, maybe you run it back here with some of the young talent you've got on this defense

and be more jobs potentially next year. I totally would not rule it out completely, but it sure seems like he's very interested in being a head coach again in twenty twenty two. He has interviewed in five different places that we know of, and reportedly a second interview with Denver Cumming, the GM who he once worked with. So there's a lot of smoke there. But I wouldn't say it's a hundred percent that he's gone. So that's good.

That makes me excited to hear. I know you're on the bandwagon of you think he likes being here as a coordinator. Has that changed over the last couple of weeks. I believe that dan Quinn is fully comfortable being here. As a coordinator. However, there are I think there are two opportunities that are available that will be intriguing to him. One in which is the Chicago Bears, and number two is which is the Denver Broncos. And the reason why the different Broncos is to the same reasons that Rob

he just brought up. But also I think he the reason why he has not made a decision yet to this point is because he I think there's some quarterback by the named Aaron Rodgers who might have just end his season, and I think he's waiting to see which team has the most leverage in terms of trying to acquire him. And I think if Denver has that upper hand, and I don't think that he would be too far behind, that you'll see dan Quinn signed. But I think those

two have to be tied to each other. And the Broncos are also interviewing Green Bay's offensive coordinators, so like, it's just very interesting to see where the dominoes fall, or does Rogers retire, who knows and does Watson go. There's a lot of questions out there that still have to be answered. But you know, there's a lot of ego that goes into coaching, and there's only you know, there's only thirty two of these jobs, and dan Quinn obviously deals an ego like the rest of us man

and he wants one of them. Why not you do all of this to get to the mountaintop. He's a proven commodity in the NFL. I mean, I love him. You were talking about him when he first got hired. I didn't obviously, just knowing about him from Afar and not understanding like how culture changing he is as a coach. His even an oldtas man out there with boxing gloves on getting down in the muck with the defensive linement. I think teams want that, especially with the psyche of

today's player. I think dan Quinn speaks directly to that that's not enough to be said about guys like Tom Coughlin can't coach in this NFL because team that guys are so much more fragiles true than the way that they used to be. And just dan Quinn and that he's a I don't want to call him a player's close coach to make it seem like he's lax in any way. I just think he speaks directly to the level that's a great point, because Mike has said that after the game, kind of just what you said, that

that it's more than just football with him. He cares about you and and so he really connects with players. He's a culture builder. I think that's what teams see and that's what they like. That's what he brought to Atlanta. They just didn't quite get it done. You know, he should have a Super Bowl room, he ring. He really should. Um One more thing I want to say about that though, if he goes to Denver, let's just say that happens. That's six games against Pat Mahomes, justin Herbert and Derek Carr.

So you they have some talent on defense. Man, we saw it here firsthand. But you need a quarterback in this league. That's the biggest takeaway I took from the past weekend of game, especially in AFC. Yeah, and a lot of people think that Denver is a quarterback away from being a legitimate roster again anyways, because of how good that defense is and because of some of the weapons the young guys that they have on the offensive side.

But with dan Quinn, it's I agree with you. I think the quarterback situation is certainly what's most intriguing because right now you look at the pool of candidates, I mean, look at Doug Peterson, Jim Caldwell, Kellen Moore is in that list. I mean, he's been interviewed by four or five teams already, Byron Leftwich, Todd Bowles, all these names that are out there. Dan Quinn's towards the top of that list, if not the top of that list, because

of what he did as the defensive coordinator here. So he may have those options, and he has an opportunity to be picky. So maybe he's picky enough to say none of these intrigued me. I'm going to come back here for another year because he does have a good situation in Dallas. But if he were to leave, how much concern does that have for you on this deep with some of the added youth and the talent that

you have on that side of the ball. Man, I just feel like he has to strike while the iron is hot, and he's hot right now, and in his position, I don't think that. Obviously, being in Dallas and the digs that you got here is not a bad deal, and also having one of the premier defenders in the league to coach for the next hive along is another thing.

I think this defense obviously if you go to last year to this year night and day, and it definitely night and day with the personnel that you bought on, and that made the bigger difference also. But I just believe that I believe in dan Quinn. I believe in what he's bought to the system but to Dallas. But I just don't believe that he's going to be here. I just well, I know, and my question was how hard is he to replace with the pieces that he has put in a place now? But that I mean,

I guess we don't know until we get there. But I think when you have a question, when you have a coach like George Edwards, you have other guys that are on your staff. You have twenty coaches are twenty eight coaches after McAdoo is left, I think you have coaches on staff that also helped that. So I don't know if it's as impossible as you think it is, or you have to go out and bring in just for a name, a Zimmer or someone like that. You know, you don't have to go out and reach I think

you have someone on staff that can help you. Maybe Joey Jr. That's who I was thinking of because he's worked with Dan, similar scheme foundations there great coach, Players like him, respect him regardless though Asaiah Man like from a personnel standpoint, whoever's running this defense. We talked about offensive free agents. There's a lot of guys on defense that the depth as it stands right now is not what it would be this past season at linebacker, on

defensive line. Obviously Randy Gregory's a priority in the secondary as well. They're going to have to get creative in restocking this defense and trying to resign guys, but might be having to go elsewhere for other guys. And why would guys sign back to Dallas? What would be the number one reason why guys would re up here on the defensive side of the ball. You're close and he's here. Yeah,

if san Quentin's here, that second part dan Quinn. Even if Dan Quinn's not here to play with Trayvon Diggs and Michael Parsons, I would throw that into the mix. Players would want to play with them. I'm not saying that they wouldn't. I'm not saying that that's enough to bring them back. Dan Quinn a defensive coordinator, who's gonna put you in position and make the most plays. Who's gonna put you in a position Jay run curse. Yeah, I go wherever I'm in his back part. I'm linked

lint in his pocket. I didn't even mention him. Yeah, And like you go from being kind of a special teams guy start a few games in your career to the leading tackler on the Dallas I walk into that, mister Quinn, I will be there every step of the way. That's so I bring that up because the reality is Dallas is in a bad position right now, that position

that they figured that they might find themselves in. But now that a quarter of the league, a quarter to league's head coaching positions are available literally think about that, okay, and you know that those spots won't be available for at least another couple of years. So you know, and there's probably another quarter, if not more than that, in the league that those positions just won't become available just because those coaches are just that enthralled into their organization.

So there's to your point, right Striking, while the Irons, there's a high probability that he's probably gone just because of just then, when's the next opportunity that I will have the defense, the ability for the Dallas Cowboys to bring back all these free agents, right, all these unrestricted guys, the majority of them are on the defensive side of the ball. You're talking, you know, because a lot of guys were on one year deals or whatever it may

have been. Those guys are gonna be sitting back waiting saying, where's Dan gone? We're quitting? Or DQ, where's he? Where's he at all? Right? As soon as he signs, Hey, DQ, you got room for you, boy? You remember what I did for you last year? Look, and it's exactly what they did absolutely, So now you have that many more guys that are gonna want to piggyback and hopping in, hopping your backpack. So you started, you started talking about

some of these defensive coordinator zimmers. His his personality doesn't matched this team. It just doesn't. You got somebody like Dan Quinn right now, you see positive, you know what I'm saying, Creative, engaging, uplifting, all those kind of things, exciting, high energy, and then you try to bring in a Zimmer that's just it's different. He was about talking about culture that it just doesn't match. So there's only so many of those guys. So I was saying the ability

to bring those guys back. They're all gonna be waiting in the wings to find out where dan Quinn is going, much like dan Quinn's probably waiting to see where's Aaron

Rodgers going. Has anyone had started the argument with dan Quinn that his success in the NFC East was because of the horribleness of the offenses, that he went again, Oh no, don't do that, No, no, no, I'm just asking if we don't if we win and the NFC East and we're saying that we're playing against B team players, can we not use the same argument against the defensive cordinery? You could, okay, but but then you have the factor

in his track record. No, no, I'm talking about what he just he got fired mid season from one from one team, came here and now he's he's a top commodity. I'm just asked to do those things go into the equation as well. There's there are guys that have coached Exammer that you're talking about this had success as a coordinator. You can't take that away from them. So how do you factor in that. I would I would throw into

that argument. The only thing I would want to bring up as well is even in the losses against big teams, did the defense play well in Kansas City? Yes, absolutely, they totally did. Did the defense play well against Arizona in Week seventeen for the most part enough to win enough to get the job done? Did they play well enough against San Francisco to get a win if your offense is remotely okay? Yeah, Like, even in those games, he still did the job to a level that you

expected he did, and the turnaround was remarkable. But Tax's point, I mean there were issues. They leaked big plays. They leaked big plays at times in the past. Game run, game yards after catch I think was tops in the league against them. So it wasn't perfect, But what from what they were a year ago to where they are now? And you have to credit players on the field too. Micael Parsons is a big part of that. Trayvon digs a big part of that. Um. I will give DQ

credit for bringing it all together though. Yeah, and we've kind of put that on there as well. Do you believe that that's the case, No, Pok, like you have to you have to take that into consideration. You absolutely have to. You want to talk about how bad the nfcast is, you have to talk about, Okay, about his success against them versus other teams. I get it, But I do believe that he performed well enough to put his teams in position to win ball games. Defense, obviously,

the run defense wasn't where it needed to be. At the end of the day, guys gotta they gotta drop. They gotta drop the dropped a minute section, you know, and and and be able to stop the ball lost Brent Urban. People don't talk about that enough. That was a major loss, major loss um. Obviously, Gallimore came a long way. Also, Digazoua did it a good job coming a long way. I feel like this guys still left a lot on the table. I think they left a lot on the table. They're not We brought in, We

brought in an offseason acquisition to stop the run. Yeah, and he got hurt. Yeah. Now, now you like to have more guy behind him, But the reality is he was our Chris Jones. He was our big boy in the middle that you know what I'm saying, That really just shut things down and he got hurt. I want you to just be able to clarify this. You're not comparing to No, no, no, no, no, he's ours ours. I just wanted to you sure I didn't. I could

have said I could have said, whatever, Rady, he's our version. Yeah, that role, that position, not the player, not the player of that position at all. But but when you think about Dan Quinning, you have to take into account his history. Why is he still a highly touted guy. He's not highly touted simply because of what he just did this year. He's outside because his history says so. He led his team to the dog on Super Bowl in atl Onufourtune was one of the worst losses in history of the football.

But guess what they got to the game, something that this the organization hasn't done in a very long time. He got that organization there. You go back, why did he get that opportunity to be the head coach in Atlanta? Well, he just happened to win a Super Bowl by being a decordinator in Seattle. So his his history shows him that he's consistent with this in terms of changing cultures, in terms of highlighting players and getting guys in position to make plays. He elevates the play of guys, just

like everybody talks about Jordan. Jordan elevated the play of guys. Lebron scores more points, has all these different stays. But guess what, he doesn't elevate the play of guys, right, So that's the difference. Okay, So dan Quinn and everywhere he's went, he's had good defenses, he's elevated his play of guys, and guys have become superstars simply because they've been in position to make plays and he's gave them

the confidence to do so. And any team that's going to hire dan Quinn is going to be excited about getting dan question because of the exactly what you just said, the resume, the caliber, and the person that he is and the kind of players coach that he is. They will be excited to have him in their locker room.

So credit to him, credit to what he's built. But also this could either be a great thing or an extremely scary thing for Cowboys fans is that if dan Quinn's not available, whoever is the defensive coordinator heading in the twenty twenty two because of the free agents, because of the holes on that defense, they're going to have an instant opportunity to leave their stamp on that defense moving into this next season, which could either be terrifying

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At least another week at least. I'm next Wednesday. That's when you're allowed to do it. Next Wednesday. Next Wednesday, February first year allowed. Jesus. Okay, welcome back to Talking Cowboys. Hope you're having fun, Presented by Tostito zec Ma, Harrison, Isaiah stand Back, Rob Phillips, Chris Beam. I'm Kyle Yeoman's having some fun here. Hey, it's nice to smile again. Goodness, smile smile again. All right? Should the overtime rules be

changed in the NFL. That's a huge topic of conversation. Now, oh man, the Cowboys haven't necessarily fallen victim to this, but certainly the Bills did this past weekend. I feel so bad for Josh Allen. He never got a shot anything. And that's really kind of the opera or the conversation. The single game of the Chiefs and the Bills shouldn't

be enough to change the rule. However, the changing of the rules should be the fact that ten out of eleven teams that have won the coin toss have won the football game throughout this season or I can't remember exactly when that When did it used to be? It used to be sudden death? Who score? Yeah, field goal wins it. So they have tried to adjust to adjusted it, but it's still not enough. It's still not giving both teams an equal opportunity. But at that point when does

it in? I was gonna say, don't you think TV probably factors into this a little bits in the regular season? Yes, and I don't really I'm okay with if you wanted to compromise of just keeping the regular season the same and then the postseason at least allows an opportunity for a team to get back and forth. But again it

goes into the question of when does it stop. Let's just say this, the Kansas City game was the only game that you saw that you said, man, this they to change the rules because it was an instant classic that you did not want to see. Stop. Yes, but it has to stop. It's like I tell my kids, the rules are the rules for a reason, and that's

why we have them. But I understand, like we're trying to make pro football into college football, and if the scheme is going to change to more of a college football, let's let's do the same thing. If they did that, or if they put on the twenty five and just go, that would actually be awesome. I love college football. I mean, that's what I'm saying. That's what everybody is clamoring for us. So let's do it. Here's here's the ball in the fifty yard line like the xfail and just freaking go

at it. That's the thing that I want to talk about, though, is because you mentioned at some point it's got to end rules or rules. That's fine, but why is a coin toss deciding ten out of eleven games that's the biggest. It takes no skill whatsoever to walk up and say, heads, oh we got it. Let's take the let's win this football game to fair tales, by the way, because it never fails. I agree completely to be fair. I mean,

you still gotta go. You still have to go out there and play defense, right, I mean if you get a field goal and then you get the ball back and you go out there and score touchdown games over you. So I think that the overtime rules are actually relatively good. Is just that when you face these explosive offenses like that, it just sucks and your gased at the end, and both of those defenses played out done. What would you

what would you submit to change? Would you go the full fifteen minutes and then then what what if it's still tied? I would I liked that idea that that had been thrown out. I was trying to find the list. There's a bunch of them. But yeah, play ten minutes, play a quarter. It's the closest thing to real football to try and decide a winner. That's that's my thing. I mean, look at soccer. Soccer does it that way, and soccer is not perfect either way. The penalty kicks

and whatever. But going on, But soccer is a two hour game, no commercials, ten minute halftime, and it's a lot more TV friendly. It's the reason why I didn't play soccer. So it's a big talking about hockey. It's so cool. Playing a ten minute game of overtime wouldn't be TV friendly. That's it's my thing. TV friendly. A ten minute overtime period where each team gets an extra time out and they went to it that way and nobody scores, then what then? What? Then? What do you do?

Then you go back to sudden death and then people are still fit and it's a four hour game. I think the rules are pretty dark. Penalty kicks. Let's just get both field goal units out there and just kick field goals until you lose. You just have to stop that first drive. And then doesn't Josh Allen have the number Buffalo Bills? They didn't number one? What are they

on the defense? They were last yea Leslie Frasier, Yeah, defense, Hey, just squip the kick the squip kick the ball, So give it to Mahomes at the twenty five, mamie, Yeah, with no time off the clock. So that's where they messed up my opinion. Don't don't agree if you didn't want to give him a short field either though, who was returning? If it's a squid, it doesn't really matter, right and it don't if you do it it, don't kick it to the wrong person. He will squib into

the house. Who's old boy from Mchanse City back in the day before Tyreek Hill? Oh God, I can't think of his name, but yeah, who is he? It was the Tyree Hill before Tyree Hill. I know he went to Florida State return man. Somebody got to know it. Yeah, I know. Ber you know who it is? Not Peter Warred, No, no, before Peter Ward. Now he was cold blooded. Anyways, you just abod like him, or even if it was Tyreek Hillbeck, Yes,

you get somebody like that the ball or Tyree. I don't know if Tyreek might have been back there returning to the gig man. You see what he did on the return Oh my gosh, I don't know. So you guys would not change the overtime rules. Do you think it's a domino that it just sucks? It's a snowball that goes all the way through. Your defense has to just step up in that first series and hold him to a field goal. Yeah, it's all you can ask. That's all you ask is did your defense I need

just don't let these boys score. And that's a lot to ask. That's my one thing, though, is is this day and age, offense is rule. That's the case. Teams win to themes off of offenses until they don't get an opportunity. Okay, well, I guess you could change it and say both teams get a chance for both teams get a possession and then it's sudden death. But I you could do that. Yeah, they already tried to adjust it once, so I really don't have that much of

a problem with it. Remember it, it sucks for Josh Allen first time, just the first time, because the Saints beat the Vikings. I remember it was Brett Farve that was sitting on the sideline watching the Saints won the game with the field goal, and they change the rule because you know, God forbid, Brett Farve didn't have an opportunity to touch the ball exactly. So I mean, like I think you, the most fans in the NFL are

like you. They want to see both quarterbacks have an opportunity in a situation like that in over time, the rules stipulate that, hey, you score a touchdown, it's over. So it puts the onus on your defense, and we cannot separate Josh Allen from his defense. The Whales lost. What if you kept the rules the same except you had to score eight points to automatically, it would be fun. That would be fun, So then you would you would have the same rules. But it's the first to eight.

So then you you you go all the way down the field, you score a touchdown, will guess what, it's not over? Then you got to turn around and score two point conversion. And if not, then you get the ball right back. How much you have a sudden death on the f the yard line? You put the ball and all your kickers have to go out there and make it greg the leg go do it. I read a suggestion that the ball teams would get the ball, the first team could kick a field goal or kick

the extra point. The second team had to go for two. Now we're trending into like arena league story here, but it's fun. You want to get even more arena league. Here's another Oh I've had all weekend to think about this, sitting here waiting on this to happen. What about this one? Whatever team wins the coin toss gets to choose where the ball starts, or like where the drive starts. You spot the ball, and then the other team gets to

choose whether they receive or they kick. So you could put it at the one yard line, but then the other team gets to receive it. I'm telling you there's some gadgety things you could do with all this. But you want to put it at the fifty maybe? Or do you want to put it at the twenty? Where were you when you were coming up with you? Thought about this when he was on a toilet drinking. Definitely on the toilet. He was on a toilet. He looked

at it right, he didn't see no toilet tissue. He look behind him to see no baby watching, said shit, my phone, that dog? I mean, how's you call it? Spot the ball? Have some fun with it, all right, let's talk about these championship games. Cowboys unfortunately not a part of it. Team that beat the Cowboys arms. They will be taking on the La Rams in the NFC Championship game. Who you guys got in that one? We'll start with you, Isaiah, just in that game. Yeah, San Francisco, La, La, La.

I've been saying LA for me. You have been on that bandwagon for a while, even back when they were struggling, you said LA and Casey baby, who you think? Man? Shanahan lives rent free in mcveigh's head man all day long. He owns him six six in a row. I believe what's going and he had They spotted him seventeen points last time at home and still had more forty nine of fans in the building. They don't even have a home field advantage in this situation. I'm going with Shanahan.

I just think that I believe the forty nine is gonna Did you see the defensive line of LA. I did. Did you see the defensive line of San Francisco? It was lady ever, replay ever, replay and von Miller couple. This is why we're here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris brings up a great point. He still came back in that game.

Tom Brady, Still Tom Brady, I hear you. But he's gonna. Uh. What do you guys think about the fact that the LA was limiting ticket sales to the Greater LA Area for a split second, they were like, yeah, we're just gonna we're gonna keep it regionalized in our sales. And then did they They did that for a for a hot second, and then they I think the NFL probably I was like, yeah, yeah, you hit it, so they opened it right back up. But they put out him

traveling who you got. I'm gonna take the Rams as well. I just think going back to the final week of the regular season, you mentioned the spotting of seventeen, they let off the gas. I think the Rams are a better team all the way through, and I think they're on a mission. For Matthew Stafford, for Sean McVeigh, for Aaron Donald and company, I think all those guys are

on a mission. OBJ has been playing really well. I just think they're more explosive and being Even though it's going to be a probably a sixty forty Rams crowd, it's not going to be a true home field advantage. I still think there are you factoring in Deebo Samuels debo is great, but he's also banged up a little bit. George Kittle was banged up in that game. Jimmy Garoppolo is not as good of a quarterback as Matthew Stafford, even on any day of the week. McVeigh doesn't have

a problem getting his guys the ball now, doesn't. Cooper Cup is a legitimate monster. You can't take away all their weapons now and they get all the way as a ball. I can't believe I've rattled off all those names and I didn't mention Cooper Cup for cam Akers Higbee, Uh you got Cup, Jefferson O b J. Pick your poison, their ballers, all of them, I honestly I think, and I'll put this out there now. If the Rams win this game, I'd picked them over the AFC team, even

if it's the Chief, I still would do that. I'm saying it right now. I would do it no kind of with you, like I've been on them too, dependent on how Stafford plays. When he plays well, I think they can honestly beat anybody, and I think I think they're due. I think they're due to win this game. But heck could be right, because we very well may look at it next week and say the forty nine ers were this year's team that got hot at the

right time and surprised everybody. Compared to your giants, Giant. They do have that formula, and that's honestly what the Bucks did last shoot him up. I think. I mean, I get you, I gets you to a certain point. But I just think La La traded away their entire future kids. It's to acquire all these players, and this is why they did it. They truly have everything they are. Stafford doesn't give the ball away if he doesn't get a ball, or they're dropping balls and are fumbling balls.

So who are you picking? I'm picking the Rams, picking the Rams too. Okay, what about the AFC Bengals in the Chiefs. Yeah, I'm taking the Chiefs all the way. I think they're on a mission again too. Yeah, Chris Jones is going to show up in this game. But you whoa what it's a twins in there. I saw it. Well, no, no, not really. I think it was just thinking, yeah a little bit. I mean, you can't discount what Joey Burrow

is doing right now. He's awesome. But him and Jamar Chase Spoth, but heck mentioned the nine sacks, and I just think back to when the Cowboys went up there and Chris Jones just wrecked the game. I just think I just think it ends. Here's a great run for Cincy. Fantastic of my childhood. Ikey was and Cherry Rice in the Super Bowl. I mean first Super Bowl. I remember, Yeah, people about the same age, right, yeah, no, I'm definitely going okay, but first game I remember, Yeah, I mean,

but that would be good. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna being crazy here. And the last time I said that, Cincinnati one, Oh, pick them, they're not beating pick them. You were different on the NFC. They beat Kansas City already three weeks ago. They beat that in a regular season. Yes, wasn't a fluke either, Cincinnati. I think I'm gonna put two on the ten on this one. I'm gonna pick the catch up. Boys ain't going Oh yeah, you switch its corso that whole thing. Oh man, Well that's gonna

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