Talkin' Cowboys: Trey Wingo 1-on-1

ESPN host of Golicking Wingo. You've seen him all over the NFL Draft NFL Live Sports Center in the past. Trey Wingo joins us here on Talking Cowboys and Trey, first off, thanks for joining us, and I kind of want to get into this quickly because you're a busy man. But first off, I've heard a little bit of a rumor that you grew up a Cowboys fan. Kind of is that? Is this true? And kind of tell us how that became to be after somebody who grew up

in Connecticut. Yeah, Well, long story short. My whole family is originally from Texas. My mom's from Texarkana, my dad's from San Antonio. I have relatives all over the Dallas Fort Worth area. Cousins and aunts and uncle's, you name it.

But we lived overseas for a while and we came back to the States in the seventies and the first football game I ever watched on television was a Cowboys game on Monday Night football, and I liked the star on the helmet and I I was a young kid, and my parents were like, yeah, we're from Texas, like okay, and that was a really good time to be a Cowboys fan. So really that's how it got started. I mean, it's all sort of happenstance, but yeah, I was very

fortunate through the nineties. I took my dad to all three Super Bowls that the Cowboys won, and that was a lot of fun. And so yeah, that that's how that all got started. It was it was just sort of a weird connection, but it's been a lot of fun sense. So it was the uniform and then just geographical happenstance that kind of turned into you being that

Cowboys fan and kind of growing into that. But what about your love for football, because it seems like you've always kind of had your your your foot in the door of pro professional football. Has it really kind of been that way from the get go. Absolutely. When I was a kid, I used to subscribe to this thing called Dallas Cowboys Weekly, and it was like, you know, like a thirty page in house magazine that the team would put out. But I, because I lived in Connecticut,

I was getting a week late. So the game would be played Sunday, and Monday or Tuesday it would arrive in the mail from the previous games week and I would, you know, just pour over every page or that day. I used to collect, you know, football cards. I used to try and draw plays as ASA did, like Okay, what if this would work? And how would that would work? And it's like I've been a sports fan my entire life, and I enjoyed playing sports. But there's no doubt that

football and specifically the NFL. And when I was a really young kid to Dallas Colbert ball. It was always my favorite sport, always my favorite team. And you know, I just I loved everything about I still did this day, love everything about it. I think it's the truest team sport there is. You know, in any other sport, you can have one or two guys. For example, let's say in the NBA you have a couple of guys that are a confessed of what they do, you're more than

likely he's gonna win. In soccer or hockey, you can have a really good team, but if you have a hot goalie, that changes everything. Baseball is really a one on one confrontation between a pitcher and a batter, and then everything else happens based on that. You don't have eleven guys pulling on the same side of the ball at the right time on the right play. You don't have anything in football, and that's what I love about

it more than anything. And of course, being up in Connecticut, you're still nearby the NFC East Country, you were near the Giants, you were near the Eagles, a little bit up there in the northeast. But kind of explain what it was like being a Cowboys fan in that region of the country even as a youngster. Well, those teams sucked,

so it was awesome. H No, But you're right, it's weird, like a lot of people like, why are you a Cowboys being in financy because I grew up in a town called Greenwich, Connecticut, which is literally the first town over the water from the university. It's like a bedroom community for people that commute into New York City do go to work. I mean there were many of us, but the Giants were terrible, so it didn't matter. But yeah, it was. It was weird, but I enjoyed it. I mean, look,

it was a lot of fun. And you know back then, you know you were born in what ninety six? Ye funk? You know? We got we got two games on a Sunday afternoon, and I would just live for the updates to see what would happen, you know, on the Cowboys.

And it was my favorite thing that they used to do an old NFL film show called This Week in the FFL that would airline on Friday night on local stations about previous Sunday's games, and I would just I would wait to see the highlights of you know, Billy Joe, Dupree, Tony dors Said, Roger Starbuck, all those guys and the things that they were doing. It was just a lot

of fun. Duke Piercing, Golden Richards, Robert Newhouse, Bob not Bob Lowly at that time, but you know, Randy White, Harvey Martin, who Tall Joes, how I could do, Ralph Neely, John Didzgrell, the entire offensive line from the Dallas Cowboys in earlier in the nineteen seventies. It was great. It was a lot of fun. Cliff Harris, Charlie Waters. You just loved being that antagonist even from an early age, just because of the success that the Cowboys were having. Overall,

I love that. But you ultimately did end up coming back to Texas. You graduated from Baylor in the middle of the eighties. What brought you back to Baylor, by the way, just being a couple hours down the road from the Cowboys. Well, you know, everybody in my family went to Baylor, my mom, my dad, not I mean not everybody, but like almost everybody. Sister and I went down there, and you know I wanted to do I wanted to go someplace different for college, just to get away.

And I applied to five school My first choice was University of North Carolina. I did not get in, and then I applied to Syracuse and University of Colorado and University of Missouri, and eventually I just I decided to out of those four, I wanted to go down and go go go down to Baylor. I wanted to go someplace warmer and have a good time and had a blast and and be closer to some relatives in place I needed to get away off campus. It was fun.

I had a great time. To this day, I still have a bunch of friends that I we w on a golf trip every year that I want my buddies in college and still get together once a year. We had to cancel it this year for obvious reasons, but we've been doing that for about ten or twelve years now, so it was just it was a great experience. I had a great time, and we went up to Dallas

all the time. We wore out I thirty five. Most weekends we were either head north to Dallas or south to Austin, and a few weekends we stayed in wake Tho. We managed to find ourselves a good time, but we went We went north ninety minutes in south ninety minutes on I thirty five quite a bit. As somebody who grew up in Waco, I can attest that I thirty five has had the burning rubber back and forth for youngsters throughout the course of history, I guess since Baylor's

been there. But you then got your first job back in broadcasting up in the northeast. You went back up to New York and you were there kind of bouncing around a couple of different spots. But what was it like going from Connecticut to Baylor and then going to the big city of New York City and then kind

of being around that area since then. Well, you know, my dad worked in the city for the community from Greenwich for thirty plus years, so there was a lot of like teacher and service days when I was in school where I take the train and going to my

going to work with my dad. He was He was a reporter of Your Chief for Life magazine in the sixties and seventies, and then when Life Magazine folded, he and two other guys created their magazine called People Man ended up being the most successful magazine launch ever and probably retired that title because nobody's launching a magazine. So it was fun to go in and see him work and do that kind of stuff, and it was a lot of fun. So getting back into the city I

enjoyed very much. I was a page at NBC at thirty Rock and like literally, if you've ever seen the TV show thirty Rock, you know the guy in the blue blazer, that's who we were. We gave guided tours of the Building or Saturday Night Live and a bunch of other shows that was fun. Then I made a demo tape and sent it up to a bunch of stations and got a job in Bingham to New York

and there for two years. And I got a job in Allentown, Pennsylvania, where I got to do my first play by play as well as some local TV broadcasting for Lead High University football basketball. And I was there nine months and got a job in Saint Louis ruin Saint Louis for six years, and then moved back here in nineteen ninety seven. Would have been here ever since. Now.

You I believe you started your career with play by play at least up on air and kind of getting into that area, like you said, of Pennsylvania, and you started doing some play by play, and then you kind of peeked up into the ESPN realm of that what kind of led to show hosting because since then it seems like it's been less play by play more so the show hosting side. So it was my first My first few TV jobs were all were show hosting or poscaster.

I just got a chance to do some uh, some play by play during that job at Allentown, but I've done you know, here at ESPN. I've done play by play for uh the Arena League for a while when we had that, But mostly my job is studio hosting. What do you like more? That's a great question. Um. For the longest time I really even think about it, it it was like, Okay, what can I do? What do

I really look? For fifteen years I hosted NFL Live, and hosting the Draft has been just so great, so I really enjoyed it, Like, uh, you know, I've been very fortunate at ESPN. I covered UH the PGA Championship. I've covered US Open and Golf and British Open and golf, a US Open and tennis Wimbledon, been to the Olympics, I was our correspondent for the two thousand two Winner Games and saw Lake City. It's been unbelievable, but by far doing NFL I've and doing the Draft it's just

been great. It's just been so much fun. And the Draft is the ultimate reality television show, right, you know, you can't script for it. You have no idea what's going to happen. And this year specifically it was nuts. But you just have sort of ride or TuS you bucked you off. I guess these a rodeo parlance, and it was fun. I mean, it's just you never know what's going to happen, and that's the best part of

a plan. But as my friend Herm Edwards likes to say, any planned to camp be change is a bad plan. We've had to change plant a million different times during the draft, so that's been fun. Now you mentioned the draft. You mentioned this year and all the challenges around COVID nineteen and it being virtual. You were tabbed with the task of being the sole host for ESPN and the sole individual that had everything kind of ran through you. What was that challenge like and what were some of

the toughest parts of that job. So I have to say I do appreciate what people say that, but to think that it was just me is just you know, there are so many good people behind the scenes that really had did the heavy lifting, especially this year. You know, our overall producer Step Marking, our producers Ramadanski and Brian Ryder, and all the tech people that put it together. Now, it was different. It was different, Don't get me wrong. It was weird and it was unusual. First of all,

normally we're on location with them. You know, we had last year in Nashville, close to seven hundred and fifty thousand people downtown Nashville for the three days of the draft. It was nuts, unbelievable. We were expecting close to a million people in Las Vegas this year and fifty three days before the draft, we pulled the plug on that, and somehow we were able to put together what was an incredible virtual experience with so many people working together.

So like for me, the preparation of the draft didn't change at all. Like it didn't. It didn't change one iota. The only thing that changed for me was how we were going to present the information that we had prepared for. And the people behind the scenes did an amazing job.

Like I was the only one in the studio. We had Hurt Warner and Michael Irvin and Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL network along with our people Lewis Ready, quotram acardem mel Kaper Jr. And they were all remote So I was in the studio and there were literally two other people with me in the studio and they were all set up remotely, and we had Commission. Goodell wired in obviously and had I think two hundred potential draftees or one hundred potential draftees wired up with remote units,

plus every general manager, every owner, and every coach. And it went off without a hitch. And as we were getting ready to do this, we had some glitches before this began. The fact that we basically did that for three days with really minimal interruption was unbeliefing believable, and I was really proud of people that pulled that off

together and Dad it a lot easier. And I've said it since we hosted our own virtual draft, everybody behind the scenes needs a substantial race throughout the course of this COVID nineteen pandemic because it makes those on air look a lot better than they actually are. Just be based off of the fact that the technical side has taken care of even more. But now you're going up a Cowboys fan. You have to stay neutral with your

national television audience. But do you keep an eye on how the Cowboys did during the draft because there's a lot of excitement around those picks. Yes, I mean they kind of reverse engineered it on in my opinion, but they got it. I mean like they weren't expecting the CBO to be there, and if he was sixth on their board, I think he was sixth on their pre draft board. And you have him, what at seventeen, you gotta take him. So you know, obviously a lot of

people thought that was a luxury item. But you now have Michael Gallup, Mary Cooper and CD Lamb, which is an unbelievable Creo wide receiver, and then to still have Digs on the board when you go in the second round get him was remarkable. Like in any scenario, would you have said to a Cowboy team, they're gonna get Gigs and you're gonna get CD Lamb in the first ture ends they'd be like, oh yeah, all right, so

they get those two. And quite frankly, I like a lot of the other picks as well, especially the kid Neville Gallimore out of Oklahoma. I thought that was a steel where they got him. I thought the Cowboys sort of out of luck in happenstance. And also when the players were there to take the right players, I thought

they hadn't that really did. Now with that kind of paired with some of the other offseason moves, that they've made Dontari Poe, Gerald McCoy haha, Clinton Dicks On the defensive side of the football, What are you kind of thinking going into twenty twenty and how is their season going to look assuming that it is a full season. Well, we just did a list this week on Golik and Wingo my top three ish teams that are super Bowl or bust this year, and the Cowboys were number one

on my list. Because again, I want to be clear, it's not they're the number one team that I think to win the super Bowl. It's who are the teams that are all in on. If we don't get to the super Bowl, it won't be a successful season because

I think they have everything that they need. Now. You could question whether or not they're going to get something out of Aldon Smith, who hasn't played since twenty twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, from the pass rush, Tim that's gonna make up for the loss of Robert Quinn and others. But you know, they've sort of managed to make this work. Now, I would have signed a quarterback first before I signed everybody else. Jerry, I'm just saying, I mean, I like

Jalen Smith. I like Yale Collins, I like all those players, I like Zekiel Eliven. Normally you take care of the durable quarterback first. Now they've got him, he's going to be there this year. But the reason why this, I think is so important is there's still a real divide over years on what Dac and the Cowboys are willing

to agree to. They can't go into next year with him on the franchise tack it over thirty seven million dollars because at the best case scenario over the cap is gonna stay flat going into twenty twenty one and it might take a dick. You can't have a quarterback taking a thirty seven one million dollars or in cap space, especially if it's not going to go up into twenty twenty one. It's a big year for them and they need to make it work with all the pieces this year.

So that's one of the reasons why I put them as the top of the teams that are super Bowler bust. And you talk about super Bowler bust, and I'll get your prediction or maybe not prediction, but your favorite. We'll say favorite coming up here in just a little bit. But talking about Dak Prescott, and staying on the topic of the what is the franchise quarterback right now? For the Cowboys? You go and add Andy Dalton. You have a little bit of an insurance policy with him backing

up Dak Prescott. But what is your opinion of Prescott himself as a player, not necessarily the contract negotiation. I think he's the most underappreciated quarterback in the NFL because the first of all, look, I'm not a huge quarterback wins guy. I'm sure you've seen the teams win games quarterbacks helping them win games, and yes, they have maybe more of an influence, but at the end of the day, if you don't have everything else you can have a

great quarterback doesn't matter. And we've certainly seen that throughout the cases in the history. It's a little more skewed now, but I'm not a huge quarterback wins guy. But he is a winning, durable quarterback in the NFL, and durability it may be the most important ability in the NFL. He hasn't missed a game in four years because of injury. He's a big, strong kid who came within one yard of Hie Tony Romo's franchise Rector for most passing yards in a single season. He has all the weapons at

his disposal. You have a running game that I think is going to be fine, or offensive line isn't what it was when it was a rook year in twenty sixteen, but it's more than good enough. And you have a defense that I think is going to be okay. I don't understand the back, Kate, I don't understand me. Oh,

he's just an average. He's not like if you really want to be honest about it and talk to people who know what they're talking about in terms of people who I mean, if you will put this way, if you really want to find that out, let him be a free agent. Watch what happened. Watch the twenty teams that would run to sign Dak Prescott, because that's exactly

what would happen. So for all the people that consider him an average to above out a quarterback, I suggest you take up a hobby because football watching is not your strength. Hey, I like it. You're antagonizing even now talking about Dak Prescott and some of those that are out there that I just don't get it. I just don't get it. I mean, looks for example, I think Carson Wentz is a great quarter front I really do.

He's not durable. That's a that's a thing. Now we can talk about maybe he's a better you know, you like some of the skill things he does better than Dak, But when you put the the ability with durability, I mean, one guy's there all the time, and that's kind of a big deal, you know, especially in this day and age whenever you have to have quarterbacks that have to do so many different things with the weapons that are around them. And now Dak Prescott has those weapons, he

has the three receivers we mentioned earlier. He's got Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Pollard, Blake Jarr went on that offensive side. How much pressure do all these weapons actually put on Kellen Moore as the offensive coordinator to make sure that things are taken care of or even Mike McCarthy an offensive guru, taking care of the right way. Now, you know, Kellen had a very interesting year as the first year offensive coordinator. Came out of the gate strong obviously those first three wins.

But if you notice a pattern late in the season, and I'm sure you guys talked about this. Let's take for example, a Thanksgiving Day game against the Bills. They went right down the field on that first drive March March March, Big doses Zeke Elliot in the running boom, They score a touchdown, and then you look at Zeke Elliot's carries per the rest of that game as opposed

to the opening drive. Then there was a Thursday night game against the Bears in Chicago, right down the field, boom, boom, boom, great run past combination mix in there, they score a touchdown and then what happened in the rest of that game got away from the running game. Look, obviously, this is a passing league. That's the way it's going. It's

way it's going to be. But for the Cowboys to be successful, especially the way the team was built in the position they paid first in Zeke Elliott, they're going to have to feature that running game. I felt at times last year, and Andy Reid has gone through in his Hall of Fame career, you forget about the running game. My god. Just go back a couple of years ago and Alex Smith was still the quarterback and they had a twenty one or eighteen point lead against the Titans

at home, and then Kareem Hunt got hurt. No qureem hunting gator at Travis Kelsey got hurt, and they went away from kareem hunt. When you have a weapon, use it and mix it in. And I think that that last year Kelln at times during stretches forgot about the running game. And you know, you script those first plays of every series, for every game, and then sometimes I felt like they threw away the script for those are minor things that can be tweaked on, because there's one

thing for you. There's two things, right, there's game preparation and there's game manager. I've always said Mike Marx when he was the offensive coordinator in that Coach of the Land for the best game errors I ever saw in the NFL. And then the game would start and he'd go crazy. You know, he just would he would throw away challenges and he would, you know, do things that just didn't make any sense. You have to manage the game.

And you can go back to the Super Bowl. You know, Kyle Shanahan's got a ten point lead in that fourth quarter and then it's cut to a four point lead, and then the first thing they do is they run on first down and then they throw it on second and third down. Now you could say George Kittle was wide open and Chris Jones doesn't bat the ball down, that's a first down. Yeah, But you know he was there before with a lead twenty eighth to twelve and Super Bowl fifty one on third and one with eight

minutes to play. Even if you don't get the first down, you probably run out enough clock where the Patriots can't have to come back. Stick to what got you there, And Kyle Shanahan made a living during the postseason out of making sure Jimmy Garoppolo didn't throw the football if you look at what they did during the playoffs. So you have to stick with the things that matter. And I felt like at times last year Kellen got away

from the balance that made the Cowboys very successful. Now, the term putting the training wheels back on Kellen Moore's bike has kind of been loosely used throughout the facility since the hiring of Mike McCarthy. Do you think McCarthy can bring an added element of maybe some maturity and game management to Kellen Moore in his offense? He asked, Tom, you know, like I was mentioning the Mike Marts when

Dick Formal is the head coach of the Rams. Every once in a while, like you know, he let Mike call the game, but every once in a a while he get on the headsets is like, give the ball to twenty eight and I would be Marshall Fark because you know Mike Marts, Gretti show on Term, you know Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Oza, Keen. They had everything you could possibly want.

I also had the best player in football that was not a quarterback in Marshall Fark, and Mike Marts forgot and every once in a while Dick Formal get the ball. And I think at some point this year might have to have Mike McCarthy say to Kellen, we got a

good running back. Let's just make sure we because even if it doesn't work, you have to make the other defense defend the run because if they're not, if they're just if you're not ever running and they're always just going after the quarterback, you're making it easier for them. So I get it. It's intricate, it's not as easy as as I'm stating it, but at the end of the day, you still have to make them think about

the run as well as the pass. Now, what is your biggest concern going into twenty twenty Because you talk about the concern of the game management side, but is there anything on the defensive side or overall that you really are worried about? For the Cowboys, you know, Byron Jones was a very good player. Now he wasn't the player he was a couple of years ago for the Dallas Cowboys, but he's still a very good player. I

think they have a lot of young secondary players. But you know what makes a good secondary is a good pass rush. And you know every secondary is a lot better when that quarterbacks got to get rid of the ball faster. So the biggest thing for me is can they generate enough heat? I mean, Tank Lawrence had another good season last year. Thinking about that pank because people don't look at the sacks. He defends the run as well. Like he's a really good all around defensive flair and

he's good at set in the edge. They're going to have to find a way to bring a little pressure. And you know, with a contract that they gave Alden Smith, that wasn't just they here's a minimum and let's see what happens. They gave him some money, which either means a there was competition for Aldon Smith or they really believe that he can contribute. That is something that is you know, I'm gonna need to see that, right. I mean, he hadn't played in a long long time. No, when

he played, he was really good. That was a long time ago. So if you're asked if you're expecting like a massive amount of production from Alden Smith, that might be a little bit of a stretch. So we're gonna need to find a way to get to get to the quarterback that I think that's the biggest thing from the Cowboys on the defensive side that I'm going to

need to see. You're echoing what both Isaiah stand Back and Rob Phillips have echoed on our show throughout the course of the off season is let's not rely too heavily on that right defensive in spot. Let's just stop the run, help our linebackers out, us helping out the secondary. Now i'd tease this a little bit earlier. Super Bowl favorite who right now not a prediction, but who is your favorite going into twenty twenty to win this year's

Super Bowl? Well, look, it hasn't happened since Super Bowls thirty eight thirty nine, when the Patriots repeated, but try and tell me how you're gonna stop Patrick Mahomes. He's the best player in football. He's going to set the market whenever he signs that contract. He's the ultimate weapon, I mean, his super The best way I can describe Patricks, or as I refer to him Hall of Famer Patricks, is that that Super Bowl was the worst game of his career until he decided it wasn't going to be

the worst career, you know. I mean, just look at their playoff run down twenty four to the Texas, no problem, down ten twice in the AFC Championship game to the Titans, not a thing, down ten points with seven plus minutes to play to the forty ninety third and fifteen. The audio clip of the year was Patrick Holmes on the sidelines during that review of the drop by Tyree Hill, looking Eric at the enemy, the offensive coordinator for the Chiefs,

and said, do we have time to run Wasp? Oh my god, they run Wasp and he is so wide open by the way that throw on I think you dropped back eleven steps to get that ball to avoid the rush that throw was the longest air yard throw of the entire season for Patrick Malomes to Tyreek Hill, and that changed the entire game. That dude, is incredible. And it's not just the plays and the offense that the Andy re runs. When the machine breaks down, Patrick

Mahomes can do things that no other quarterback can. Now you add that team coming back almost intact both offensively and defensively, and to get the perfect running back in the first round of the draft, Clyde Edwards Hilaire and the things he was able to do in college at LSU. I mean, it's like God came down and said, Andy, take this get and so to me, the Chiefs are by far the team that I think has the best chance to win the Super Bowl. Now it's interesting on

the NFC side. Look, I think the Niners are a very good team, but it took the last play of the last game of the regular season for them to get home field advantage. And the NFC West didn't get easier, it got tougher. You could legitimately make a case for all four teams in the NFC West making the playoffs.

Seattle is always going to be there. With Russell Wilson look, I know people think the Rams are done because they lost Todd Gurley in a bunch of other players, But even with Todd Gurley being a non factor last year, under the current playoff format we're going with this year, they would have been the seventh seed and Kyler Murray

just got DeAndre Hopkins outside alongside Larry Fitzgerald. The NFC West is going to be a tough out this year, and I think it's going to be harder for them to make it back based on the division, even though they're a very good team than it is for anybody to upset or up end the Chiefs as the AFC representative. Now, final question before you before we letting you go. You mentioned the new playoff format. That's just one of many

new changes coming to the NFL. And you've got the longer season coming up in a couple of seasons, you've got the new playoff format, the most notably this year, COVID nineteen and having to deal with that pandemic. What exactly do you feel like the protocols are going to look like and what is this you're going to look like?

If you had to make an opinion today, when when Rudy Gobert tests are positive for the first time, when the first NBA, first professional player that's positive, and then you know this teammate TESTI positive, and you about a few more going through it. I think the way we deal with it now is okay, like Malcolm Brodgit just tested positive, but I'll be fine. I made symptomatic. I'll be final to be joining our team. The question is going to become not what people have positive test that's

going to count it. We're seeing that the universities and all the baseball players. The question is going to become a house serious does it affect those players that are tested positive? And how can you contain the spread? Like for baseball, for this restart, they basically have a thirty a sixty man taxi squad we're talking about that they can bring under the regular season. The NFL is gonna

have to adopt that model. I mean, you're gonna have to wave whatever we think our normal roster exclusions or limitation because as Herm Edwards, my good friend says, if you're practicing social distancing, you are a terrible football player. There's no way around that. So we can have all these provisions about training camp and doing this and doing that better. Today, one offensive line is gonna have to run into another defensive line. All that's out the window.

So when there are tests that show up and test positive, how can we effectively take those players out the test positive until they're okay and bring in someone else to build that position. Because the last thing we can have is a team that suddenly has ten players out of a forty six man roster that test positive. They're going to have to find a way to keep the fluidity of the roster going forward as long as they're playing football.

I think that's the biggest challenge because those tests are coming. There's no way around there's no way around it. A question then becomes us, how do we keep the roster fluid so we don't have players or teams forfeiting games because we can't field enough players, And hopefully we stay safer than normal, but we also stay ready and willing to be able to adapt. It's kind of like what you were saying early on, you got to be able to adapt in broadcasting with this COVID nineteen, it's it's

a whole big thing of being able to adjust. And hopefully that's better said or easier said, than done. Moving forward, But Trey one of the thank you again so much for joining us here on Talking Cowboys. If you ever make it back down or whenever you make it back down here to the lone Star State, you got a middle of the the lighting in a tour of the Star on us. Have you ever been to the Star as a Cowboys fan? I have not, you know if obvious have been the new stadium a bunch, I have a

bunch of friends I've not. I have yet to see the facilities. I will absolutely take you up on it sounds good. We'll welcome you down here to Frisco. Of course wheneverything everything blows over, But until then stay say thank you again for joining us me I'll no problem to take care. So for Trey Wingo, I'm Kyle Yeoman's thanks so much for listening and watching here on Talking Cowboys. We'll see you next time.