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in Frisco. It's been I see around the Star this last couple of days, and we're finally back on the air. Glad to be with you. Kyle Yeoman's, I say a stand back, Patrick, No, see Walker, We've got Chris Beam in the back. Guys. Um, I've been out of town for a couple of days. Did I miss anything? Yeah? Yeah, I mean you missed this weather. Kyle, Okay, there's where the heck are you? I was in Mexico for the invite? Did you get an invite? Getting I did not know

you didn't get enough. I wanted to run around Booty Button on dog on Beach. You know you were definitely commando. A visual wasn't prepared for this. He definitely Commando on the beach. Whoa, now we have to picture Kyle Hammock. Hey, there are worse things to think about, all right, I mean, come on, what else? What else happened around this Cowboys to a couple people, first, first and foremost, Um, dan Quinn is sticking around. Hey, that's a good one, massive

massive keep for the Cowboys. Dan Quinn went on his round of interviews with the Cardinals, the Coats, Um, the Broncos, and as we all know, he was a front runner to land that Broncos position last year before they went with Nathaniel Hackett. Thank you for making that mistake, denver Um. But dan Quinn is sticking around, so huge keep for the Cowboys. But on the offensive side of the ball, Oh,

there's this guy named Kelvin Moore. Oh yeah, he was the offensive coordinator keyword, was the offensive coordinator for the Cowboys. No more from twenty nineteen to twenty There's no more. He is in a Cowboys uniforms, no more interesting doing m O r E. Did you see that coming? I saw it coming. Well, whenever Mike McCarthy said it the way that he did in his first conference, how he responded to the question about him right the riding was on the wall at that point he seemed very hostile.

That was a hostile response. And there was a bit of clarification with another thing that happened this week, which was the Senior Bowl, and Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones spoke during their time down in Mobile and Stephen Jones said it was a difference in philosophy between Mike McCarthy and Kelly Moore that led to the parting of ways which are we are we shocked by that? Though I didn't.

I didn't think not so much, um eyebrow raising, but not not shocked, not shocked under anything like the great way to put it, eyebrow raising is perfect. And and having some conversations with some folks after the decision was made to mutually part ways with Kellen Moore. My understanding of it is no, it was mutual. My understanding of it is I can't confirm. My understanding of it was that even when McCarthy stood on the podium in and said that Kellen Moore is no different from any other

any other coach and that he must be evaluated. He wasn't saying that maliciously, he was just being matter of fact with it. And my understanding is when when they got down to the evaluation process, we're kind of taking

a half step back. I think McCarthy kind of expected more to still be around, but there was going to be some in depth conversation in the evaluation process as far as direct where the offense need to go in twenty twenty three, And in that conversation, I think that's where the reality hit for both sides, where it's like,

you know what, we're we're apart on this. We're apart on this um And just from my opinion, this is my opinion obviously, but as as it relates to Moore's acceptance of the Chargers offer, that happened so quickly that logic dictates that it might have been in his back pocket already. There's some murmurs going around in terms of potential tampering. Well, I'm not going to go that far. I'm not saying there's murmurs I'm tampering about what he had a relationship with with La beforehand. I mean, we

just haven't have joint practices this year too. Yeah, I mean let's just put it this way, because we're they were hanging out. Yeah, we're definitely not um providing if something happens, this is this is just murmurs. I don't. Let's just say the tea leaves say what the he

leaves say, and I drink. I would be hard pressed to believe that that an offer for the offensive coordinator position in a program like the Charges, who have such a level of talent offensively that that manifested in fifteen hours. He was because he accepted that offer in fifteen hours. I should say. Let me, let me put it this way. That offer became public and final and official from Los

Angeles in fifteen hours after the decision from it. Probably accepted it in the first seventeen minutes, so I see. But is it also possible, kind of along those same lines, that the decision was made around Kellen Moore far before it was released, right around the start of the second championship game on Sunday. He probably was. I mean, we were talking to Mike McCarthy on Wednesday, and it was a matter of time until that news came out, or at least it seemed like it was a matter of

time until the news came out. Now, I just my opinion. I think Kellen Moore is gonna be really good in that I believe. I think, I think that system, I think that scenario resources the resources there. I wouldn't say that because the resources here are great, they're good resources here. If you're talking about personnel, that's different. Are you talking about like Freed, You're talking about like I'm talking about the personnel? Yeah, the personnel. Okay, So personnel, Okay, we

can we can have an agreement on that one. But I think he's gonna Yeah, that's why you're making that face. He's gonna fit that that's mold better. He's gonna fit that mold better than he did here. And honestly, I think Dallas is better off without him here. It's just a fit, I really do. I think this is going to be a good fit for both parties. Could be which is possible. That happens all the time, and I

think that. Look at the Super Bowl right now. Andy Reid left the Eagles and now the Eagles are still there again. They have a chance to go back to another Super Bowl. Andy Reid's on the Chiefs. It's a

good fit both ways. And I think from a Mike McCarthy standpoint, when when you look at Mike McCarthy having set out a season after his from the Green Bay Packers, and his whole thing over the course of that season that he was out was he was trying to advance his coaching style with analytics and things of that nature. Fast forward to today, and I think that he's going to try to take the best of what Kellen Moore did and then merge that with what he knows how

to do. And then we'll see who the OC is that comes in. Because Darry Jones said in Mobile that is basically a foregone conclusion that Mike is going to call the plays, but they're still going to get an OC, and I think that OC would be more than of an advisory role. But if it's if it happens to be certain individual from Los Angeles, the other Los Angeles team, if you get where I'm going with this, ye, then that would be very interesting because that person comes in

with McVeigh knowledge, right. So if you can get McVeigh knowledge mixed with the best of Kellen Moore mixed with the best of Mike McCarthy, get your personnel right at wide receiver and yeah, and hopefully you can keep the band together with polit and Zeke. But that's the discussion as well. You played in a system with Belichick knowledge,

you played in a system with Pete Carroll knowledge. How how much does it it doesn't matter to have different inputs because if anything could be said about the Cowboys offense this year is at times it was stale. At times it was mediocre to a concerning degree. Okay, but now you have a chance to spice it up a little bit and go get some different input some different knowledge. And you did so with minor roles like Ben McAdoo a year ago. You did it with a couple different ways.

But how important is it to go out and get a veteran guy like that to come in as an offensive coordinator to kind of sprinkle in what Patrick's talking about? You have my real opinion? Yeah, I think they just say, with your chest, it's a Friday, it is Friday. It's been a while. I think they just let the best thing they could have had to go. Kely. I really

think so. I think they should. That has some grown man conversations, and I think they should have figured it out because I think Kellamore is one hell of an offensive coordinator, and he's continued to grow. He's continued to grow, he's continue to develop what I see and what I saw in film, you know, I watched a good amount of it, and you do as well. He had a complex, very diverse offense in the beginning of the year. Sure, they couldn't run it. They couldn't run it's quarterback, couldn't

make the reads. Receivers couldn't read read the coverages. So because those guys were unable, incapable at that point in time of making the correct reads based upon the defense that presented to them, and running the correct routes, going the correct ball, going to the correct concepts, all those things, he had to dumb it down. He had to dumb it down. And even once he dumped dumbed it down,

we saw what happened at in the last game. There were guys still running around booty button naked open and the ball still wasn't getting to them. And that was the most simplistic Jason garrett ish offense we had. We had all year long. But look at go back to the film in the beginning of the year, look at the concepts that were out there. Look at the read routes that are out there right, all those combinations, and then go to the end of the year playoff games

and look at that offense. Look how boring and stagnant that offense was in comparison. He had to adjust. If your personnel can't facilitate the offense, you have to adjust so that you can give them something that they can handle. And again that's just being real and watching the film. To your point, the offenses that I've been in, I've been in some very complex offenses like New England, which was absolutely insane. Okay, I've showed y'all some of that stuff.

It was read routes on everything, and you better knowing what the heck you were doing. You better knew what the coverage was, You better know the leverage and all that stuff of the defenders so that you can run the correct route. We saw some of those mishaps earlier in the year where Cede Lamb was unsure about coverage.

I might remember my taking the top off am I coming underneath, and we saw Dak compound those problems by throwing the ball incorrectly to the certain guys that was them trying to figure out that complex offense which required you to be high intellects and be able to make

the correct reads. When you don't have the ability to do that and execute it properly, you have to bring it back down to the grade level or high school level, which is mirrored routes on the outside, read routes on the inside, super simplistic, read the basic coverages, and make the correct decision. And those things still weren't happening. So now you take a Kelly Moore going out to an offense that has more veterans, that has more events, and I would say those are high intellect players that he

has over there, they're gonna they're gonna kill it. In terms of what Dallas is gonna do here, I think you're gonna see it dumbed down a lot more. You're gonna see it dumped down to what you saw more towards the end of the year. Now that doesn't mean that you can't be successful with that, because I believe that you can. West Coast Office, Pete Carroll, you brought that up West Coast. Super simple reads for the quarterback, get the ball out quick, that's what he does right quick.

Three step drops were from the gun catching throw you know what I'm saying, catching one, gallop one some of those things, right, there's gonna be easy decisions, but you're not gonna see that complex stuff, and you're not gonna see the ball push down the field nearly as much as you saw early in the year with Kelly Moore. Now real quickly, I just want to ask this as a follow up, is the fact that it had to be so simple toward the back half and it had

to be dumbed down in the back half. Is that an indictment on the personnel specifically or could it be an anictment on the Monday through Saturday comparison and the preparation from a coaching staff. It could be both, right, and we don't know. We never had it, We'll never know. We just see the result. We see what they were trying to do concept wise, and we saw the execution of it. So where the ball was dropped in between,

we don't know. But we do know that in the beginning year he had read routes, combination routes that were adjusting based upon coverages. We do know that Dak had certain reads where he should have been looking off coverages and coming back to certain concepts that he wasn't doing that correctly. He was trying to force the ball. Those are the things we do know, So we don't know what's being taught, if they're being taught the proper reads

and all that kind of stuff. The adjustments, we don't know. We just see the lack of execution on Sundays. I think until your point, it could go a little bit more vanilla, with the exception being if they bring in

someone who is from a McVey tree, for example. If that person comes in and they're the offensive coordinator, and although McCarthy is playing calling the plays, that doesn't mean McCarthy is dictator over the game plan, right, So it's still going to be a collaborative game plan over the course of the week. So you're still going to get those ideas from a McVeigh branch or whomever else might be being Brian Shottenheim or whatever the case may be.

So I think that is going to help keep it from becoming vanilla, and we'll see if that's the case. But I would lean more so on it being a personnel issue, because if we're comparing the Charger's wide receiver corps to the Cowboys wide receiver cords. Okay, well, we know that CD dam has ascended to the role of wide receiver. One around him, the discussion is no more.

But Michael Gallup, he just recently had his right knee and right ankle scope which is opposite right, which is the opposite knee for those that need to be clear on that. He tore the ACL in his leftknee. But that also goes to let you know that he wasn't one hundred percent himself as he was trying to return from a torn ACL. You didn't get what you needed to get from Jalen Tilbert, who is mostly inactive. T Y Hilton came in later in the season on the back end of December, so you didn't have a ton

of reps with him. If you fix the wide receiver equation and Michael Gallop is one hundred percent healthy, which now I have no um no reservations about it happening because you got an entire offseason. Now you're not coming back in season to try to figure it out. Now you have an entire offseason program, So figure that out with well, ceedee Lamb is there. Let's assume Gallop is healthy. Wide receiver threes, which you really got to figure out. They're going to talk again to ob J who presumably

is healthy. Now he's starting to release those workout of clips out. Yeah, now they're starting to come out to see no coincidence. So two things real quick before I know you got go on. We got so many topics. Yep. I don't think it's personnel. I don't think it was personnel in terms of la thereof this year. I think the personnel was there. It was good enough to get

the job done, right, I think you could. Obviously you always wish you had more, right, you wish you had more weapons, you know, like say France, like Philly, like oh you know all those teams that were that we saw progress. We wish you had more, but you didn't. But that's my point. When they had more no pun intended. Yeah yeah, but when they had more than the hydro coop Lamb a healthy gallop. You saw what the three

thousand yard receivers the top, it was the top. So the defense in the league drop Cooper out via trade. Now you're it's not healthy. Lamb does what he needs to do, but from there the personnel doesn't match up. I agree, I agree, I do believe that t Y Hilton during his time here was underutilized severely, a whole year underutilizing. If you go back and watch the film, in that last game, this dude was open the whole game. Simplistic offenses because cold and a lot of people are

gonna kind of jump on the ship. Oh that's not fair. Simplistic offenses in the NFL work if everybody's on one a court. I ad the forty nine Ers. The forty nine Ers don't run a complex offense at all. The fact that you can go down to quarterback number three and be very successful, let you know that that offense is not complex. Those guys are running very simple routes.

But that offensive coordinator was just our freaking genes in terms of keeping everybody in the same page, taking the same things and motions and personnel groupings and all that jazz. So that's that's an opportunity for everybody to understand that McCarthy can do two very similar schemes, okay, and be

very successful. I'm just saying that Kellen Moore brought it from up here and had to bring it down, and that happened over the course of the season, not just this year, but you could say it happened last year as well. Correct, happened at the same time. Oh, lots to talk about nuts. But there's Kellen Moore. We'll talk plenty more about that as the off season goes along. I'm sure we're gonna talk about him to more and more. All right, let's take our first break when we come

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that he's coming back. We'll save that the majority of that topic for later. Jayron Curse headed for surgery, right, yeah, several several of the players are. And let's preface it with this. This is um this is get right season, correct, Ladies and gentlemen. Typically immediately after the season concludes, whenever that might be a usc guys starting to get cleanup procedures, and these are cleanup procedures. Michael Gallops his right knee

and right knee were scoped. That's a cleanup procedure. Jayron Curse is finally getting that shoulder issue situated via procedure. It was scheduled for yesterday on Thursday, but we've had the winter ice storm here, so we'll see if it happens in the next couple of days. But for those that might have forgotten, he entered that shoulder on Thanksgiving and he was playing through whatever since and then of

course he was playing through the knee issue. But there's no procedure schedule for the knee, so that's that's a good sign there, um, and it just goes from there. Tyron Smith is having clean up work done. I mean, the list goes on and on. They're like six or

seven guys. Luke Gifford. Luke Gifford is the only one that's not being deemed quote unquote clean up because he's having surgery or had surgery if it's already occurred on a core muscle, so you know, the core muscle is a little bit more serious, so he's going to need the time to recover everyone else. Let's see who we got. We got cursed clean up, Tyron, clean up, Um Gifford. Let's see bear with me, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, I mean my spoil. Let's say you got four or five guys.

Nothing serious. The most serious would be Louke Gifford with the cormu. So it's just it's clean up procedures. But Jay Ron curse back to full health. Relea cooker, That's what I was looking forward. Dislocated thumb. He was playing through dislocated thumb. He's getting that tightened up, so yeah, he'd be good as well. Shout out to the whole training staff. They don't get much time off. I don't know if people understand that. They do not like the

majority of their work. That's a year round deal. Yeah, the majority of their work starts now like now now and then like they have to nurse these guys back to health always and through camps. Get right. So I mean people need to put some respect on Jim and Bread and and Gee all those guys. Could They do one heck of a job throughout the year. Throughout the year, but a lot of their rehabilitation starts now. They try to keep guys healthy during the year, and then they

have to get guys healthy in the all season. And it's definitely it's a well it is known thing that this is an incredible training staff now. And that's why when you said resources earlier, I was like, maybe not like, but you were talking personnel, but with the way that this training staff is and we're not just saying that because they're in there, done it, wait too much with them. So I know you were with five for your training staffs, and I've been with some good chis chaffs and these

guys are amazing. Yeah. Yeah, So, and it's a well known thing throughout the league. There's why there's reasons why people look to the Cowboys training staff whenever they're in the Combine and they're at the Senior Bowl and they're doing all this different stuff. Some of these guys on Clark big big thing for that. So outside of the injury report, which we just gave a little little w w R D we rob do, but let's talk about some personnel changes that could be on the horizon for

the Cowboys, starting at the running back position. We miss some of the other coaches, Kyle Oh, go for it. I mean, who were some of the other coaches. Number one, Doug nust Meyer. Yep, he's out quarterback coach. Quarterback coach, and we those go back to the previous episode of Talking Cowboys and we spoke about how it was time to move on from Doug nust Meyer. So he's moved on. Um, Skip Pete. That's a tough one. That sucks. That's a tough one to sap an agreeance with that. UM running

backs coach, Skip Pete. He saw what he did for Ezekiel Elliot. So he did in the breakout season last year with Tony Pollard. Um. Yeah, that's so we'll see where the Cowboys go with that. Um. George Edwards another big loss. Yeah, that was big. Another big loss, George Edwards. Was that happened before Dan Quinn came back and we thought that that was writing. Yeah, we thought that was gonna Quinn was Quinn was gonna see that and say,

you know what, I'm gonna move on. Rob Davis, Rob David, another one, Rob Davis, which is the right hand man Mike McCarthy. Yeah, quite literally the right hand man and Mike McCarthy and McCarthy was actually fighting back some emotions talking about some of these coaching losses, in particular Rob Davis, one who's really close to him personally. Um so Rob Davis, the assistant head coach, Doug nuss Myer, Skip Peach, Skip Pete.

I'm sorry, George Edwards. Joe Philbin offensive line coach. Now I'm torn on Philbin in that I and we talked about it. I love what Philbin was able to do in the face of adversity multiple multiple years. I love what he was able to do in the progression of Terrence Steele and in the first year of Tyler Smith having to move him around but still seeing Tyler Smith for the most part excel at either position. Still got some growing pains, obviously the penalties would talk about down

the road. But Joe Philbin did some really good things. He did that said I, I could also see why they'd be looking to bring someone else at attitude. So I think it's it's no knock to Philban because we said we were fine with philby remaining but then moving on from him, much like the Kelly Moore question, are we shocked, No not? He was. He was the hood mechanic. Oh yeah, yeah, Joe Philman was the hood mechanic, I know where go? Yeah, you know, like the hood mechanic

would patch it up. Yeah, he gonna can you gonna get it running, right, he gonna get your running. He's gonna run a tip top shaping, but it'll get you to the crib absolutely, and he'll patch that thing up called the hood mechanic. He'll make it work. That's what Phil was. You know, you handed something terrible, you know, an old school car. He patches it up to get you home. So shout out to Philman, A big those

to him. He had to work through a lot of ton and he gave Dallas an opportunity to win ball games when everybody thought that they had zero chance. And let's leon Lett also part of that's a long obviously, And when we say long term relationship with the Cowboys, we're talking about pre coaching as well. So Leon Lett has a long term relationship with this organization as a player and as an assistant coach, assistant position coach. So he's out as well. So so how many coaches in total?

You said eight? Um about that? About that, it's a lot of people. It's a lot of turnover in a short amount of time to the ball. Yeah, and they they've already hired a new offensive line coach. Now they're still looking for a bunch of these other guys. He came from Seattle and he's been here before. Coach way back when tell him who was the coach, didn't go and get get my monk. One guy named Tom Landry was the head coach whenever he was on the staff.

Was that the guy with the fed Yeah, that was familiar. Eighty five to eighty eight I think he was here. Yeah, I think it was like eighty six, eight eighty eight or something like that. Uh crazy. Hey, if we're talking about getting some mctain knowledge, I mean we're gonna get some Tom Landry knowledge up in the There's nothing wrong with getting some time. I ventured to say that lander shift isn't going anywhere. Yeah, Yeah, safe to say that's gonna stay, gonna keep keep coming. We'd like to see

more of it. Yeah, I know we're gonna play a personnel, But I didn't know we had a lot of coaches. We know. I'm glad you hit that. I'm glad you hit that coach. There's a lot of guys. Best of luck to all the guys that are no longer in the building. Those are tough ones. Yeah, both those guys were great while they were here. All right, let's talk about Skip Pete's position, running back Ezekiel Elliott, And this was quoted by Jerry and Stephen absolutely a player that

was that the Cowboys would like to bring back. They were both on the same page when talking about the running back returning. They want him to return. However, here was the quote, you always want Zeke, but do the numbers work. You can't define what Zeke does for our football team. You could probably define it, but he's just saying stat wise, statistically, which is you know, that's always what I lean on. He doesn't show the whole picture,

That's what he's saying. He's saying, the statistics don't show his value. He's what he does in the locker room, what he does on the fields, off the field. It's all how he's embraced the change of the position with Tony Pollard getting more reps and and basically saying outright, he's like, hey, yeah, he's he's the explosive guy, and I'm the guy that's going to pound you into the ground. And when you talk about prior to lack thereof this

that's unbridled maturity for Ezekiel Elliott. Compare those kinds of comments that we've been seeing from Ezekiel Elliott when incessantly asked the Tony Pollitt question over the course of this past season to the twenty sixteen version of Ezekiel Elliott. Though, this is a grown man right now, and this is one of the leaders of the locker room, much like Dak Prescott, is much like de Marcus Lawrences and Layton

vander Est. So that's what Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones mean when they say it's hard to quantify everything that Zeke brings to the table, and it's easy to look at this, you know what he's doing statistically and say, okay, well there's a little bit of a downturn there. Well, it's it's also fair to say there's a little bit of a downturn on Zeke because there is a lot of an upturn on Tony Pollard. So the question becomes, can they retain Tony Pollard? And how can you do that? Well,

it's really easy. Tap again, Yeah, the easy button. Yeah, HiT's the easy button. How much gonna hit him? For point one? Ten? Point one, which is not bad for a guy that impacts your offense as heavily as Tony Pollard. Is he more impactful? Straight question? He more impactful to adult shows? Absolutely? Then that's what you're paid, not even close, not even closed. There you go. You paid Dalton ten point nine? Okay? Did is that your salary? Oh? God?

I wish. The problem with the Zeke dilemma right now is the money that will be owed. It's a seventeen million dollar cap hit next year, followed by fifteen million, followed by seventeen again, followed by sixteen point six. So right now is the best time to restructure this potential out. That's the middle of this contract. Who's been talking about this for two years? What podcasts on this network's been talking about this potential out for two years? Now? Cowboys,

this is this is the time to do it. If you don't restructure it, all of your leverage is gone for the most part, because right now, if you were to cut Zeke, his dead cap for one year would be about twelve million. So instead of sixteen plus fifteen plus seventeen plus sixteen again, it would be twelve million. Done, You're out. So the leverage is on the Cowboys side. Now, if you don't do it this year, you're going to be in trouble. What number are you comfortable with bringing

Zeke back? At anything less than probably the franchise tag per year? If you're giving me a per ninety year right now, what's your what's your comfort? Too much? What's your comfort? Both of y'all? Give me six or seven? Okay? I would do that. And that's a lot for what he's turned into, which draw, third down, back, short yard and situation red zone? Guy, what do you think? I'm just doing a math in my head. If I tag polar, which I'm willing to do, that's ten million off the table.

How much am I willing to commit to the position? Is what I'm thinking about. If you're the cap just got raised, the camps got raised by almost twenty million dollars, that's a huge message. That's am Cooper on the roster. I know that's as salt in the wound, but that's twenty million a year, and that's what I'm already made. I wouldn't do ten to both. So if I'm doing ten to one, I gotta go down on the other and seven and a half. Let me. See that's I

was thinking. I'm thinking five when when he was bringing up how much you commit crossing over into disrespect, Well, I hear you, I get it. And that's why that's why I bring the question up, because there has to be a discussion between hey, we value you, got patty, you got you got rubbit shoulders. We had this conversation, Yeah, hey we value you, we love you. It's his agent, but it's his shoulders and five million ain't got the con I hear, I hear you, But I mean to

your point, we'll get to more personnel. There's a lot of other guys that have to get taken care of fair and what his agent is going to point out, fairly enough, is what we just pointed out. There's almost a twenty million dollars salary cap bump. And then you get to point in other positions and say, you know what, you could go ahead and extend your quarterback. And if you extend back, you you could save almost thirty million dollars in cap this year alone. That's our next topic

of conversation. We'll get to that. So so if I'm Ezekiel Elios agent, yes, I'm amicable to a pay cut or a restructure, but at the same time, it has to be a respectful call. He's supposed to get how much this year eleven the cap hit is sixteen point seven that's what hitleven point eight if they cut him, if they were to if they cut him, it would be a dead cap of eleven twelve million. Let's just

say twelve. So if you're if you're talking eight, if you're talking eight million, nine million, thanks for reserving to thank you, Thank you, Ezekiel Elliott. I'm willing to with all the all else that can be done. I'm willing to commit seventeen and a half to the running back position. A lot it is, But when you look at what you're committing too, though, look at what you're committing to. You're committing to a tandem that's arguably the best RB

tandem in the game right now. And you're not over committing just yet because ten million of that is the franchise tag for Tony Pollard. That gives you a chance to revisit this whole situation in twenty twenty four. That was gonna be my next question. That point where Mollie Davis in this equation with it being seventeen million, wouldn't

you rather just extend Pollard? But I see what you're saying, No, no long term commitment for the running back positions, and you absorb a lot of that with the bump in the salary cap over last year, you could absorb even you could free up that much more money with a restructure on Zach mar and DeMarcus Lawrence. You could restructure or just outright extend Dak Prescott, which will get to there is no shortage of triggers that can be pulled

to make that easy. And not only easy, but power like seventeen and a half for one year is very very palatable. If that's going to keep this duo in tandem on that in the roster in a season where you're also switching play callers and offensive coordinators. How much change are you willing to take on. I'm willing to pay seventeen and a half million dollars at the position, So that part of it, the point of it, I don't have to worry about because I'm still working out

play calling an offensive coordination. But lost Skip Pete. You did lose Skip Pete. I don't think people understand how valuable he is you did. I really don't. Well, he understood that scenario better than anybody. Yeah, gosh, and he's a real one man. Yeah, there's a shortage of real ones out there, Kyle. He knows both of those guys like the back of their hand. Part of the reason why the whole turning over the position was so well received by Zeke was probably because of Skip Pete. Yeah.

I mean, it's the words that Skip Pete we're telling to Zeke, telling to Pollard that that's why there was no animosity about each other, the raids, the names, the tandems that he had worked with. Everywhere he's been, the running back room has been solid successful. And I mean I don't know the conversations that happen behind the scenes, right, I haven't spoke with Skip and understand, you know the

complexities asked to why he's no longer here. But that's that's a valuable piece that people out there need to understand that Dallas Cowboys just lost. Whether they lost it, whether they got rid of them, whatever, however you want to however you want to place it. He is a real one in the sense that he holds guys accountable.

That was my issue with him. Leaving. That was my issue with Rob Davis leaving, leaving and Edwards leaving right he they all those guys held guys accountable, and I hate when locker rooms, in front office and coaching staffs lose guys that are outspoken and that will call out bs and hold guys accountable when they see it, because there's a shortage of that. So many people are concerned with keeping their jobs nowadays that they will go hush

when something needs to be said. They will they will be mute and reserve themselves from saying the things that need to be said to keep everybody on one accord and keep everybody at a certain level of expectation. Those those three guys, especially Skippet, because that's a guy I'm closest with out of those three. He would not hold his tongue if he saw some mess going on. He would call you soft, if you're playing us off, if you need to old school ball, old school old schoolball coach,

gosh period. He's going to be a very difficult one to replace, So I'm all lines on seeing who they bring into replace Skip Pete. It's just phenomenal human being, good, good old fashioned, old schoolball coach and just really really good at what he did. I just hope they don't bring in a yes man. That's my biggest thing. Yeah, just don't bring in a yes man. So we've already gotten one response. It's like two or three million dollars

tops the heck out of here. But here's the thing that's that's what the value might be for what he brings. But there's no way that conversation would even start. No, there's no way you would even get the conversation. Person doesn't love the coun they like the Colnboys, they don't love the coupun number one. But that's what I'm saying.

It would it would have to take. I'd probably say four to eight anywhere in that window the conversations have agree because if it's over eight, the Cowboys aren't interested. If it's under four, Zeke's parties not interested. So that's where that's where you're at with I really think, I really think the numbers five. I personally think the numbers five. I could see five. The good news is, I feel like both sides are willing to have the discussion. Nobody's

throwing the hard line on the sand right now. Cowboys where he's at in his career. Yeah, he knows where he's at. You know, somebody's aren't drawing the Amari Cooper line in the sand, saying, you know what, we could

restructure and move this money around and save. But when you're just going to go ahead and part ways, when you're not there, and Zeke isn't saying, oh well, if if we try to reduce them, he's The thing is, when you're at that point of your career and you understand the value you have with that organization, the last thing you want to do is try to start jumping ship because you know that you'll never be that guy again. So if I'm never gonna be that guy again, then

I just stay put listen. And I said, I've said this all season long as it relates to and again, I'm not speaking four Ezekiel Elliott speaking about Ezekiel right.

I've said multiple times, even before reports came out that Ezekiel Elliott would be willing to take a pay cut, I said, I could see why he would be willing to take one, and I believe that he will be willing to take one because he understands and he said it, he understands that if if I Ezekiel Elliott and willing to take less to remain in Dallas, and that less allows you to keep Tony Pollard, I just extended my career. You just in the point that you just brought up.

And this is when the brotherhood comes in. And I know a lot of people are saying, hey, you know, everybody's selfish. You're talking about themselves when you care about the other guy that's in there room with you like

he cares about Tony Pollard. I'm willing to take a back seat, right and whether I'm forced to or take a back seat or whatever, like, I'm willing to humble myself and put myself financially right in a disadvantage to ensure that my guy gets the bag because he's been riding with me for a minute, being in the shadows, and now I recognize and I'm now taking a step back. I want to keep this thing together. It is your time, You're time to shine. They will extend each other's career

absolutely if they stick together. If they stick together, that's a good point. Which if that's the case, the leverage would I think fall in favor of Zeken in terms of excuse me in terms of the Cowboys, in terms of that that contract negotiation. So maybe it would be a lower number, but no two or three million. Ye, he'll walk before you even have a conversation. I think I think it's four to eight is the window for the topic of conversation to even start. Ideal number probably

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Put it on your calendar. I need to put it on mine for this upcoming Tuesday and throughout the rest of the offseason. Patrick no c Walker, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam, I'm Kyle Yeoman's let's talk about the quarterback

position looks. So of course, both Jerry Jones and Stephen talking during the media session or at least a quick media session during the Senior Bowl, would ask if he would if the Cowboys would be interested in contract talks with the QB again, which would include an extension and lower his cap hit. They said, Dak is going to

be our guy for hopefully the next ten years. You say that it's a long time because he's already played six or seven, but I think Dak will play is long or play that long because he takes care of himself and he's driven to be great, and we fully expect him to be here for the next ten years. So if they want that to happen, they've got two years left on his contract. Of course, Dak's original numbers

were some of the top in the league. If you haven't taken a chance to look at where he ranks, now take a look, because right now, the media or the market for a quarterback position, Daniel Jones right now is expected to receive a contract of about four years, one hundred and sixty million dollars. That is exactly the contract that Dak Prescott was given. And that's for Daniel Jones. So even though it was the top quarterback contract in

the league for a split second, it's not anymore. You're actually saving a significant number of cash on his contract right now. But you can even do better than that, and you can extend him while his value is lower, and you can try and pull that out over the next five or six years instead on the next two or three. So, Isaiah, when you look at Dak, are you confident enough to extend him? But are you also you're kind of hedging your bets bets by extending him

at a lower contract. Hit, I'm not extending him based off of performance. If that's what you're asking, I would extend him for organizational structure right in terms of the salary cap, hits and all the things that you were starting to starting to touch on the thought of extending Dak right now. I don't like it personally. Now, kudos to him, he gets extension and all that, Jazz, I hope the best all that, But business wise, in terms of performings and getting this team to where you want

them to be, I can't give him extension. Not me. I'm all about performance. If you're not putting out, you're not putting out, and I'm gonna get somebody here to compete with you. Either you they're gonna get pushed into that position that I want you to be in, or this person's gonna ascend and hopefully take us there. I don't see. I don't see the benefit aside from a

salary cap and extending him. That's about as blunt as I can beya, salary cap wise, it's it's obvious if the Cowboys extend him, and this is per overthcap dot com, they get twenty three point nine roughly twenty three point nine million dollars in savings both this year and twenty six point two million dollars in savings next year. We'll hold up twenty nine this year if they were to re extend. If they were to extend him twenty three point seven, that is a lot of extra cast of

extra three ballers a ton. That's it's I mean, look at the guys that they signed with the twenty million from Amari. They signed Anthony Barr, they resigned late Vander esh Darnce Armstraw. I believe jay Ron Curse was probably into that mix as well. I mean, they got guys MALIEK. Cooker there that's a lot of it just off one player. That's one triggers wise, it makes more than sense. It's

just it's right there now production wise. Here's why I'm fine with it, because you've seen what a help with a healthy Dak Prescott can be almost five thousand yards only a few shots a single season passing yards record over Tony robot Um MVP conversations a couple of seasons ago. Now I understand what is said is saying, hell, it's the sciences and my articles he struggled last year. I

also put in because something popped in my head. I'm wondering if not only we know that he was pressing, we know he was pressing right, he was playing hero ball. He shouldn't have been playing hero ball in twenty twenty two. But I also wonder because keep in mind that the fracture thumb was on his throwing hand. Yes, yep, I wonder if that slightly altered his feel for the ball

in the release. And I say that to say I could make the argument in my mind that with a full offseason, he'll get his timy back, his field back, his release back, or he will adapt recalibrate to what I should say, But more than anything, for me, it's it's the QB's coach variable, because when our beloved John Kittna was in the building, Dak Prescott turned the corner and he became that MVP caliber quarterback who was flinging around when he also had the personnel to do so

at wide receiver and the offensive coorded was unleashing that all things were working and were humming. I've seen that Dak Prescott. Again not saying nus Meier did a poor job, but we can't ignore the obvious and the objective fact is under Nusmire, Dak Prescott became an interception machine. Nusmire's

no longer in the building. So if the Cowboys can bring in a quarterbacks coach who can fix that part of Dak Prescott, then there's nothing that tells me that he's not worth an extension that would not only guarantee you don't have to revisit the quarterback market because you got a twenty sixth overall pick, you don't have a

top pick. And if anybody who follows the draft and Kyl runs the Draft show, so you know, when it comes to draft capital and moving up, people say all the time Oh, I won't you just move up to the top five from twenty six. Nope, that's a whole mortgage. That's like a two or three year mortgage to do it, So that's not realistic, and you might lose Cooper Russian free agency. You don't know just yet what you got

in Will Grier as a QB two. That's too much change, it's too much even for the next two year period. Go ahead, get a new QB coach in who can help Dak fix the interception problem that just cropped up over the back half of last season. Wasn't really here before then. Coaches, don't go against your cap, and go and doesn't go against your cap, and you'll net roughly fifty million dollars in cap savings over the next two

years as well. Do it. Do it. It's the popular opinion, but it's just the right thing to do right now. In terms of average salary per year, Dak Prescott is ninth out of the quarterback position. Some of the guys in front of him, yeah, right, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Derek Carr, Derek car just got cut by the way, he's gonna

not be on his team next year. So that's the thing is, those are the eight guys in front of Dak Prescott in terms of what he's getting paid per year. This isn't total value total value. I think it's even more so. I think he's like tenth or something like that. Let me see, I'll give you total value in two seconds. He's eighth in total value, so a little bit higher.

So if you take the link of this contract and you're able to restructure it or extend him, you take that average per year down, take it to like what would be a good number, like thirty four or thirty three, which would be less than what you're even gonna pay for a cap hit this year he'd be paying. He'd be paid less then Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford on top of that list that I just gave you, So he'd be middle of the road contract average per year.

Why would you not do that and take a guy who's still correct in his twenties and take him and extend it out for a couple more years, four or five more years, and you extend him. I think it's a great move, especially right now. Like I said, when the value is low. He's not coming off of an MVP caliber season. Recap wise, I'm in total agreeance with y'all. But you just don't think the performance is there. Correct. Here's the hedgings. So I think there's two reasons why

you extend somebody right we're talking about him. Either the performance and you're like, hey, hey, Gail, we want you here around here for a long time because you're just killing. We can give you more money. Yeah, absolutely, and you're gonna go here, or it's just like, okay, you're about to kill our capt's, let's figure out a way to save and get us some savings. It's definitely the second one. Absolutely,

absolutely the second one. Also, in that same conversation at the Senior Bowl, what did they say about the possibility of drafting a quarterback. We're going to hit that on the Draft show coming up on Tuesday by or Wednesday, by the way, But they said, we are committed now to drafting a quarterback now, and we probably should have done one previous. It should have took the New England approach. And it's funny you said that because we were talking

about that offline and not a few days later. Jerry Jones says they regret not taking the approach of drafting every single year because it gives you insurance and a developmental guy that if it turns out your franchise guy continues to trend upward and the rookie contract comes up to expire on the on the developmental guy, you trade him, you get some assets, you draft, you've got another one in the pipeline. So it's the Belichick style of drafting.

See it's not even just Belichick now too, though. But who were the last two quarterbacks that beat you this year? Brock Purdy, He's a rookie drafted as the final pick of the of the twenty twenty two draft. Brock Purdy beat you with San Francisco. Who was the second of the last quarterback that beat you? Washington Washington, Sam Howe rookie quarterback. Both of those teams had two quarterbacks already.

Washington had both of their guys ed Carson Wentz, Taylor Heineke, but it Sam how the beach here in the final week the regular season, just in case. San Francisco Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance. Yet it was Brock Purdy, who's now sending them to an NFC championship game. So you drafting these quarterbacks not a bad thing. It's insurance. Go out and get one. If you're walking around here without insurance, you know you're living life on the edge. Dallas Cowboys

have been living life on the edge. Yeah, just call it what it is. Call it what it is, all right, that's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys. It's been a fun one today. We had a lot to talk about. We'll be back on Tuesday, ten am Central time, and we'll be on tuesdays from here on out. Hopefully the ice stage more ice storms. Yeah, let's keep all that out of here. Next we could be eighty two degrees. Yeah, it's bed sweating. Believe you be on

the beach next week. Commando Kyle, Kyle, everybody make that. Somebody's gonna make another another video on Twitter for it for Chris be Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Nose walk a round, Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you on Tuesday, ten am Central time. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.