Talkin' Cowboys: The Week 4 Win

Can it be a victory Monday at the Star? Welcome to Talking Cowboys, Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, Rob Phillips, Hello everybody, billow Jones, how are you going very well? At a late night last night on CBS? Yeah? Why were you guys so late? Because we CBS had the late game yesterday and it pushed us back, had Giant Saints three twenty five, and so we go on late anyway at ten thirty and then if the game

runs over. They showed the end of the San Francisco Charger game after that, and so we got done at eleven fifty last night. Soon game. Huh, that's right, neon game and you're done eleven fifty right? Yeah? Yeah? On a pregame show exactly at the stadium nine o'clock in the morning exactly. But it's great to be here. I hope everybody wasn't like me when you finished with the Cowboys stuff, I went to bed. Well, the Cowboys stuff went all the way to the end of the day.

Now you started with golf and baseball, and don't start with no no, I said, you started when you started doing it. I started start with it. You'll start with ring Cowboys. That isn't want a Cowboys Sunday. I mean even the Ryder Cup. Of course, the Ryder Cup, there was nothing to report on from an American that we gave that twenty seconds at the very end. That's when I left. You know how much time the Rangers got mention, we got a farewell to Adrian Beltrey, and we got

fifteen seconds of the Rangers on man. I'll tell you what. The ratings were much better last night than they have been two of the first three weeks of the season, because if the Cowboys win, they'll stay up to midnight and watch you and they'll tune into talking Cowboys absolutely too. All right, So what's the big take away from Sunday. Let's start with the junior member of the four junior member congratulation. It's higher than the good they Congratulations to

your aggies. You survived against the Hogs on Saturday. They were they were mad, but thank you, thank you. Get a buff to Jimbo Fisher. Welcome to Alabama this week. Yeah yeah, good times. Right, um my takeaway, get that breakfast spoon out, man Zeke eight and ate some more and did it on a bad ankle and a sore knee, as he said, And if they were gonna win this football game, they needed a game out of him like

this one. And this, in my opinion, that's the best game I've seen him play as a Dallas cowboy when you factor in how banged up he was and how much he was limping in the locker room after the game with you know, whatever was bothering him. It seemed to happen sometime in the first half. He missed a couple of plays. But when you see what he did running the ball and especially receiving the ball, and I know we'll get into that. He just showed these complete

running back and they leaned on him. No, but we haven't seen him that dominant yet this season. And a lot of it was opportunity said, hey, look what happens when you get a two score lead in the second half, you know you can kind of lean on him a little bit, and sure that boy, they had to lean on him in the last drive as well too. May I heard it in his voice last week in the

locker room. There was passion in his voice that I hadn't heard, and he was bound and determined to not only get his season on trap, they get this team on track. I think. Yeah. Dak said the same thing that when he called them up after their warm ups, that he could tell the excitement in his voice, and he said on the postgame TV show that he basically told everybody this game is going to define our season.

We're are they going to be one in that attitude they needed to have going into that and if we win, we're two and two and things will be a lot better. And I think they kind of played that way listening to him. It's not often the game week four of the season is the crossroads point of your season, but I think that was yesterday. So if anybody thinks they wanted to dismiss that it didn't matter when he missed six games last year, just circle this performance. Yeah, I

tell you what I love what Rob said that. I love with what we saw with the offensive line. Yeah, I thought that. You know, when you look at their ability to run, block to hats on hats, you know, the tough running they got, they got help from the wide receiver. They're tight ends actually helped in the running game this week. You know, that's something that they had to do. Everybody the buzzword was about wrinkles. It really was about more about getting back to what they do well.

This team. We've talked about it a bunch. They're not the Rams, but they have an identity when they run the football, they could be very difficult to defend. They put the quarterback in some situations play action wise where it helped him. He made some quality throws. He missed a couple here and there, but overall, you'd take his stat line every day. The way he played. Mickey got his protection yesterday to throw the football. I think that was a real big, big plus. The thing that it

was a little bit disheartened to me. Oh, another positive for me was the defense. I didn't think they could get pressure on this guy. I really did, and it came early with a slot blitz on third down. It kind of affected the way through. They were able to take advantage of t J. Lange being out of the game at guard. I think that kind of a mess. The lines up in a couple of different ways. My biggest concern though, was the past defense, because I thought that was going to be a strength of this team

in the first three weeks. It really was the strength of this team. But they caught a different animal yesterday. Those three wide receivers are outstanding, The quarterbacks out standing for the Lions. I worried that was going to be a repeat of the Green Bay game where all of a sudden, you know, they get the ball at the end and they just kind of drive it on you

and scored ten seconds left. But you know, maybe maybe a breakdown in the secondary helped you, you know, get two seventeen on the clock so you can finish that thing out. But time right, Yeah, But I just you know, it's a tough it's a tough matchup when you deal with those guys. It's you know, we knew it going in that those receivers are capable of doing that. We're doing radio over here'd be okay, checking your voicemail. I'm trying to turn the volume down. Okay, well maybe we

do that before we walk in. Well we waited for you again. But you know, but anyway, it's it's you know, that's the things that you know, if you look at the game. I said, the things offensively fell for him the right way, and that's good. I mean that they did what they had to do defensively. They've got some work in that secondary to kind of figure some things out.

What do you think I thought it was about execution, execution, execution, and don't make mistakes, like make sure you turn off your phone before you come into a But I you know, I think there's a narrative out there that they fed Zeke. Well, they fed Zeke last week two, but they didn't execute last week. Zeke stepped out of bounds on a thirty one yard touchdown pass, he dropped a third down pass,

he fumbled it a long run. But if you look at through three quarters of this week's game, Zeke had twenty touches and the Cowboys had a ten point lead. I'll bet you anything three quarters of last week's game he had. They had tried to get the ball to him eighteen times. Now, there were miscues on three of those and they were trailing by eighteen points, and so that's why he didn't wind up with the pretty touches

that he had yesterday. I'll bet you anything in Detroit right now, the talking heads are saying, carry on, Johnson. We got nine carries for fifty five yards the average six yards of carry. They're behind in the second half, right, And that's Zeke said it. To your point, Brian, we got back to our old self and a lot of that is building a lead and wearing a defense down. About two penalties for twenty yards, Well, we saw on that one drive. I guess it was maybe in the

third quarter where there was a ten yard penalty. Una. It was maybe their first penalty of the game. They had no penalties that have to had one on special teams, okay, so it was on offense. They had one penalty. They were driving down the field and it was around the thirty yard line. They had a hold or something like that. I can't remember what it was in the back. Was that there was a block in the back, Yeah, and it set them back. I heard Mickey across the press box.

He didn't love that one, yeah, and then had a block knock the hell out of him. Don't just have your hands there. Nothing happened, But that was an illustration of one mistake on the drive, even if it wasn't a legitimate penalty, whatever, one mistake sets this team back and they can't overcome the one mistake. That's what happened in Seattle last week. That's what happened the week in

Week one against Carolina. You get one mistake on a drive, you get behind the chains, and you can't overcome that. This team right now doesn't have the ability to overcome that. Yesterday, though, throughout the game, they were on point and they did not make those mistakes, and the result was they had a ten point lead going into the fourth quarter and they almost blew that. Needed every bit of that exactly,

you know. And and they gave Detroit credit for three sacks, not five or six like they did when they got beat and one sack he was running and he didn't get out of bounds. Then they gave him a sack for a one yard loss instead of throwing the ball away. So really two sacks really well the other one too, he just turned his back right and she just gotten rid of the ball to kick him out of field goal range. Yeah, he pentally spin out when he should have just that was the play with the drive with

the penalty the right. Yeah, and then he only got hit four times instead of ten times. So now you got time for routes developed down the field. And it's like, oh, they threw deep to Michael Gallup. Well, they've thrown deep to him before, right, You know a lot of times they either didn't hit or he didn't catch it. And this was a pretty contested catch he made. As a matter of fact, he bobbled it like twice before he

pulled it in. So when you make plays and you execute, when you protect the quarterback, then you can get two hundred and fifty five yards passing. But when the guys on his butt the whole game, it's really hard to throw for two hundred yards. But if you want to talk about wrinkles, they did take some deep shots early in the game, and some of that is no cuddle. Yeah, no huddle was more of a couple of weeks here that they needed to go tempo. Yep, that was more

of the wrinkle than anything else. They went huntle real quick. They didn't wait to round and as you wrote about, I mean try to wear down those big Detroit linemens. Yeah, I mean they I think it was if the Cowboys would have never substituted, they could have played it a lot faster pace. But you can you saw clearly Jeff rights the umpire. He has to stand over the ball

until the substitutions are made. And so that's where I mean they if they would have Cowboys would just kept say eleven personnel maybe on the field the whole time. Boom there, they could have they could have played a lot faster in that game, though, so, uh, you know, hats off to uh, you know, to the coaching staff. They did have a good I thought it had a really good game plan when you you know, but like everything everybody's mentioned here, the execution, the blocking, you know,

the coreback. Everything about that game offensively was how this team is capable of playing. You know that. That's that's how they That's how they're gonna have to win games. They're gonna have to win games running the football, play action, the receivers making plays when they can make plays, take some shots down the field, throw a screen pass for

a big play. A lineman did a heck of a job of getting out in space, not only on the screenplays and stuff, but running the foot, pulling tackles, pulling guards, pulling centers. You know, if you're gonna play four man front against this team, get ready for number seventy to be on the edge blocking for you. Be ready for number fifty two being on the edge blocking. You know,

those are things that are all very very positive. And if you're able to get teams to spread out and have to defend that, now things are going to happen up for you inside they can't crowd things up in there, and you can maybe take a few more of those opportunities to run the ball inside, like what they were doing with the readoption stuff. And number seventy three getting out there and blocking two like I know, we call him Jumbo Joe, and he's jolly blocking some stuff for

him yesterday. And god, he was down there at the end zone helping free Zeke to get into the end zone on that screen, all three offensive linemen on their feet blocking, and that's key when you get guys outside and you get linemen use the old cut and on the ground and it looks bad, but all three of their offensive linemen were up and running down the field as that play was developing. Zack Martin said, Joe Looney's

the fastest offensive linemen on the team. He said, don't go to sleep by Joe's speed, But he was down there running quickly. I got to look up Joe Looney's speed. Well, I'm sure, Zach never stop watch to him. We're gonna ask.

We're gonna ask him tuesday, you know. To your point, Thoughbrien, about the defense, and I don't think there shouldn't have been anyone in the stadium that was surprised when the Cowboys go up, they drive eighty five yards in sixteen plays, take eight minutes, and then they have to settle for

a field goal in a six point lead. There should have been nobody in that stadium or watching on TV surprise that Matthew Stafford was able to drive seventy five yards in six plays for a touchdown, and for that matter, or even the drive before that. And that's where I've been concerned about the Dallas defense from the beginning of the season. From that standpoint, when you go up against a potent offense that has to score, can you stop

can you stop them? Because that was not the case against Carolina or Seattle, because of what especially by because of what was happening with Dallas. Offensively, once those teams got leaves, they shut it down offensively, right, and so you Stafford, And also to your point, I mean, the saving grace for the Cowboys is that they scored fast enough that they left enough time on the clock for they left two seventeen. Yeah, they left them two seventeen.

I think the thing that it was the most disheartening to me, you know, with with offensively, if you want to say it, is the fact that you know, the Austin drop costs them four points. And then also too though you look at the you know not you know, the past. You can say what you want the pasta Rico gathers, whether it was well designed or poorly thrown or whatever. You know, you can take whatever opinion you

want there. But that was another opportunity right there. I mean, you know, back in the day, and I was I just again had these flashbacks of Green Bay in my head last year, where you leave you know, you even

quality quarterback enough time, you're not covering their receivers all that. Well, yeah, you're right, you knew going in this was gonna be you know, I just worried about them driving the football and taking the complete time off the clock, and then you get in back with ten seconds left with no shot to win the game. Right, And you looked at those that series and said, okay, run the ball four times there. I mean, I admire the coaches for going

forward on fourth and one. I learned something yesterday that you have to recover the fumble if it goes into the endzone. I didn't know that rule, but you know, I think it's on fourth down, fourth down only well if you get inside the two. I knew that rule. But when one official signal touchdown and then the other three went running in like, oh, we'll wait a minute, bro.

You know, no, you don't know the rule. You know, and you're an official, But I think that to me that that, you know, I give Garrett credit for going for it that particular time. I thought that was the absolute right thing to do, even though his defense was playing with a little bit of peril. But man, you know, we also learned that Blake Jarring can't make a catch in an NFL game. That's true, Yeah, that's true. But the thing about it is, I just wish they would

have just hammered that thing a beautiful drive. You know, all the plays, the yardage, the way they were kind of mixing and matching it, and you know, you just think it just finished this thing by hammering it in four times, you know, and and but you know you get a little cute with it, and and and you know you have to kick a field goal and it puts you in harm's way first in goal at the six that would have been I ended up with it. Okayle the past is swaying. That was way too high.

Did it got to throw it earlier? Yeah, and it looked like Swayin was open. He was open. You gotta throw it earlier. And he did it on the waggle to start the game. He threw the ball. There's sometimes where Dak will he'll drift and drift and drift, and we're and we're all in the box yelling what you know, and he and he, But yesterday, what did he do? He got Swaying kind of swaying. They sold it hard, play action left and it drew everybody. Swaying just pivoted

and went up the sidelines. Yeah, but he got him the ball quick and then they allowed Then you got some blocks down the field. If he throws the ball on that play the way it was designed on the on the goal line. He's got him. He's just gotta gotta go with it. He just can't keep drifting. You run out of space. So I'm wondering if if he knew he was late with it, and it can be a dangerous pass, right, all that thing could be clanging

around in there. So he tried to put it high where Swain was the only one who could get it, and it just sailed well. He had he had an had somebody behind swaying the other thing. Gallup was behind him, and I'm thinking, oh, Gallup, you know what. That play was destined to fail because they had to call time out before they ran that play. And I saw him going tap Tavon Austin on the helmet because he was lined up like the shovel play slot slot back or

whatever they used to call those guys. And and then he lined up there again and I said, oh, they're going to give it to him on a round And they didn't, Rob Rob. I mean all that said, like Brian said, first and goal at the six, zeke average six yards of carry, Just run it four times. This is just this is just me. It's just me too, but hand it to him. I couldn't stop him. I'm thinking, every time you throw the ball it's incomplete. The clock is not moving, and you did a hell of a

job to get it to that point. Just keep the clock moving, you know, you know, run it okay, it's another minute, keep it, run it again, it's another you know. Just don't leave them any time to do anything. And then if you score now, they're they're in harm's way. They can't come back and win that way. Stand up throwing it twice right and there was five left. You had run run, give me a kip, made a been down to three fifty. Exactly exactly was Zeke? Did he

come off on that drive? Well he was getting spelled a little bit by Rods for one minus one. Well he took the first carry first and goal at the sixth, all right, he ran for two. But I wonder if he was hobbled a little bit where they that might have played a role in their thinking that he did. I'm Gary Brown. I look at him and they're like, bro, I need you right now, I need you to go in there and score me a touchdown. I've got to, you know, you've got me to this point, just please

finish this thing off for me. Although they only needed two twenty two to go down and score. Oh I know, but but if you maybe, if you score the touchdown, put a little more pressure. You put a little bit more pressure on them to have to make Yeah, all right,

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Tomorrow night. Yeah, yeah, Tuesday night, six to seven Concrete Cowboy in the Entertainment District at the Star in Frisco. All right, I like it? Okay, Now, what happened on the Golden Tate second touchdown? Handle this one? Mickey? Um, I think they had another busted coverage. Man, Well, clearly that a busted coverage TV broadcast. On the TV broadcast, Charles Davis was doing the game, and the blame was laid squarely on the shoulders of Anthony Brown. He didn't

enough depth. Yeah, yeah, but if you saw the way he played it, he was playing it underneath. Yeah. It wasn't like it thought he had deep help, right, but I should have because they were in a cover three right and uh Chitabewoozi for some reason bit on the

guy in the slot. It was a galla day. Yeah, and there was there two there, Tate and Galad right there and Tate brand what basically was a like a wheel out and Galla Day went towards the middle, and and Brown was supposed to get depth underneath and make sure if the throw was over there, it had to go over Woods. Was side deep safety in the middle right, Yes, yes, And so that's what should have happened. And a Woozier

should have moved over. And I think you can tell by the body language of Chris Richard afterwards when they were on the bench, he was directing his ire kind of in a Woozier's direction, not the with Frasier. I think it was Fraser. I think it was Frasier there. But if I remember, because he got caught short, Yeah,

it's Frasier. Wouldn't worse in the middle. Woods had enough problems, But I mean it was it was Frasier got By the way, are we starting to develop a deal here with when Jeff Heath's on the field, they don't play very well defensively. Oh, when Jeff Heath is not on the field, not on the field. Yeah, I don't know if Jeff played his best game now, he missed a couple of tackles and he ended up with a stinger

on the shoulder. I thought he got concussion. So, hang on, did we not call that penalty when the running back lowers his head? Just gonna say that that helmet goal? I mean that includes the running back righting to initiation content and it was intent, right, I just those both the goal line. I don't think they're gonna call that. I just don't. I don't. I just don't think they're gonna call it in that situation when a guy's trying to score. I just that's that's one of those things

I excited understand when what you guys are saying. And a matter of fact, Nate and I even talked about it in the studio when it happened. I said, he lowers his head there, and Nate looked to me like, and he trying to score? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, right, I guess they'll see intent. Yeah, is he trying to I don't know. I don't know the rules anymore. A matter of fact, the catch that was ruled a catch, I think Tate with the ball looked like it was moving.

He really didn't have control. We still don't know what to catch it but it was a catch. Yeah, And then I'm thinking, Okay, that doesn't look like a catch. But okay, now it's a catch, all right, I get it. So yeah, I don't really know the rules. At least they got one of those, right. Yeah, when the guy trapped the ball on the ground, that's true. They challenged it. And the next one, his top hand came off the ball.

That's what I thought myself. Yeah, I mean it looked like to me it was kind of moving around there. And so I don't know, but you know, it's I will give Jeff Rice some credit. He got the in the attent of the rule for roughing the passer. He absolutely got it right because he was blowing the whistle, his hand was in the air, and the Lions defender clearly ran into the left shoulder and could have caused some problems for you know, hitting Dak Prescott in the

back that way. So good call on his part. And it looked to me like the Lions defender knew that he had committed a foul as soon as he did it. The way he pulled back heard the whistle. Yep, that's right. He had a chance that he had a chance, but he just didn't stop. So you know, if they don't in the defense, you know, if they had just given up seventeen points, don't give up that touchdown there, you would have said, okay, fine, yeah, right, you know, make

him kick a field goal. Yeah, carry on Johnson for as good as he was. Did you see his final numbers? Yeah, I was gonna explain what was his long run? Two nine for fifty five? Yeah, so I mean for twenty three. Yeah. See to me, that's that's where you know, you look at this and you go, okay, and Blunt had seven carries for twelve yards. I'll take that, and that was

the first play of the game, right, yeah. Right. The thing that worries me is again this secondary and Bill, if you that's what you're talking about that it worries me that they you know that they they allowed some of the plays that they did, and you know it's not all I mean, they clearly had a plan going in to go after a Woozier and go after Brown in this game. Seemed like he was getting targeted constantly the other way? Did they never did go the other way?

And you know, and that's where that's where you know you're gonna have to sit there and a Woozier is a tough guy mentally, he really really is. And you know he can take the punishment that that that coach is gonna Christopher Shard is gonna coach him hard. But he take it. You know, he's he's a tough guy. He'll bounce back that kind of stuff. But it's a little bit of concern. You know what, they played dime one time in the game yesterday. Man, they gave up

a touchdown on it. Hell yeah, everybody's like going, what about Jordan Lewis, Why don't you play Jordan Lewis? And then you know, you see what happens there. And I'm not just picking on Jordan Lewis. I'm just saying, if you want to know overall, that's a tough team to have to defend with. The receivers had two hundred and sixty two yards and receptions. Now think about that, fifteen catches as a group for two hundred and sixty two yards. I believe the number was at the end of the day.

That's a great trio wide receivers. A quarterback they could get it to him as well. And yeah, the Lewis play as as golden take comes out of his break, Lewis balance and then he jukes Jeff Heath down the sideline and makes a hell of a play and eighty three yards on two touchdowns. Yeah yeah, and they basically the guy slips and you have a busted coverage. You know, Woozier what' he was getting beat beat? He was there, the passes perfect, and he couldn't get a hand on

the ball. See that's what I'm saying. If you in that position, you're like, man, just make a play here. And but all right, you're right. I mean there was some minutes justing catches there. Well, I mean, what about on the other side, what could have been a touchdown pass to Tavon Austin. Darius Slay, one of the best corners in the league, is right there with the coverage, and still it could have been completed. Yeah, it should

have been completed. It was right in his hand, right, it was the hand, but it was Tito had several plays like that where he is in great position, but it was like pinpoint. I guess you give him credit, you know, you give him trying for throwing the ball, But man, I think you give that credit for putting that ball to Tavon like he did. Yeah, and then the past to Zeke and then went in crunch time too. I mean it was a perfect throw over shoulder. It

was a Willie Mays catch. It was yes, yeah, all right, let's go to Phil in Louisiana. You are on talking Cowboys. Hello Phil, Bill. I'm glad you're back because I've been waiting a while to call you back with another word of the day. All right, Today's word of the day is compendious. Compendious or the day. It's a synonym for fifthy. Uh, you know, an honor of Brian. Oh, okay, no, just kid, I mean, I'm I mean, I guess I'm trying to have a question. I'm lost, But go ahead, a question, yeah, yeah,

or comment would be good right now? Yeah, when do we get smart in Louisiana, by the way, well, I mean when the water levels lowered. Yeah, I went to school in Louisiana, so I can make that comment. He must be a northern Louisiana all right. But the word, but the word was compendious. Spionn't containing or presenting the essential facts of something in a comprehensive but concise way. I think that pretty much describes Brian brought us and

analysis of cowboy yames. But go ahead, weren't talking. Cowboys are just about everything. I talked them on the game itself. But I guess I'm segueing into our guy Earl Thomas. I lost a bit of respect for him yesterday when he did that flip job. And I guess this ducktails into my question about player contracts. I wanted to know

what you guys were at on that. I mean, they're happy with the contracts when they sign them, but at some point they think I'm say, they meaning that factional player that will not play unless this contracts go to negotiate, and I know it takes into account not maybe not a majority of players, but players like Earl and Levian and some of these other guys that will sit out.

I just wanted to know what you guys were out on stuff like that, because I mean, I know ownership they don't they want to renegotiate if they would need help from a player to for salary cap space. But when it comes time to negotiate a player wanting it, what what? What? What's your guys take on that? All right, we appreciate the call Phil in Louisiana. I don't know. Pete Carroll said it was a big stadium. You know, he could have been he could have been pointed. That

may not have been directed towards the Seahawks sideline. That's one of those Brian m Yeah, that's Look, when you're a veteran player like that and you signed a nice contract like that, you've got to put some protection in that last year, exactly right. You've got to look, all right, here's looking at his contract. Yeah, here's his contract with that he signed four years, forty million dollars signing bonus nine point five million. His average salary was ten million.

Guaranteed at signing was nineteen point seven million. Okay, so he made in twenty fourteen, he was at six point seven million ll four point seven was his base. His base in fifteen was five point five his base in sixteen was eight million, his base in seventeen was eight point five million, and his base and eighteen was eight point five million. If he did not want to go the distance on that contract, then his salary in that last year needed to be seventeen million or whatever. Right

he needed to negotiate that. At the beginning when he did the contract if he wanted to get out of the contract, but he's some option that was a very club friendly contract on the backside of that to keep him for the duration and Seahawks won. Then the contract deal there, I mean basically, yeah, but they lost their safety and injury, right and now you know they're they're just like the Cowboys there, and they lost their safety,

they lost their safety mentally. Yeah, even yeah, so if he is a if he's a player that the club really covets and wants to keep on his team, you want to keep them happy too. He will rehab somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, he will have his surge and he will and he will rehab somewhere in that area, and he might even come back to Texas to rehab his stuff. But the lesson learned for Earl Tom is he should have taken care of this at the contract when he signed the contract.

Is agent or whoever should have made sure that he had an out at the end of that car or what you need is a roster bonus in March right that says, Okay, if I'm here, cover yourself for the next year. Make that bonus big enough that they've got to make a decision if they're keeping you, and if they want to keep you, then instead of paying that bonus,

they'll renegotiate the contract and extend you. And that's what's got to protect yourself because because and I'm sure they looked at it, it's like, Oh, this contract's gonna finish when I'm twenty nine, so I get another contract. Well, okay, but now you're gonna be thirty, and is everybody gonna pay you? Now you're at the mercy of your rehab and you know, does somebody want to trade for him for a seventh round pick? Well, you know, he's got a situation too where it was a bone. It wasn't

his knee or ligament. Yeah, yeah, it's just a break that he can heal up and be ready, so that shouldn't affect him for free agency. I have a feeling though, guys, in a few years we're going to see a big, big, big fight for guaranteed contracts. I think this is going to be a big hold up twenty one. Yeah, I think so. I think that we will all probably be need to be doing something else in our lives because this thing is not going to go forward with the

way that it currently is. They're going to fight for their their drug policy. They're gonna fight for guaranteed contracts. They see what's going on in the NBA, they see what's going on in Major League Baseball. This is the only professional league that doesn't have guaranteed contracts. They happen to a point. We've seen some guaranteed money with quarterbacks.

That seems to be the one. You know, the Kirk Cousins got a guaranteed deal, but for everybody else, nah, this is this is not going to be the case. And the problem is it's easier to guarantee contracts when you have fifteen guys on a roster and twenty five guys on a roster. When you have fifty three on the roster, and now you're gonna start with this status thing, Well I guaranteed you this, Well what about me? I'm not getting it right. So that causes a problem, especially

a fight. Get ready, with the level of injuries that happened in the NFL compared to the other sport. You mentioned Thomas at this point, if you're Seattle, you let him go in free agency and you get you get a third round compensitory pick or something like that. John made his bed. So John made his bed. As long as he comes back and plays well, right, he'll sign with somebody. He'll sign with somebody, and he'll get a big deal somewhere. I'm sure they said it's it's a deal,

it's a clean break, and he'll be back. Was it on a shin or his ankle? I don't know that, but because I thought it was his achilles the way originally, that's the way it looked, the way they were treating it. Yeah, he'll get paid. He'll okay, I shouldn't say he'll get paid to his you know, probably what he's making. I mean, they're gonna look at the market and say, okay, this is but he's gonna have to he's gonna get it asion where he would like to go play. I just

believe somebody will take that opportunity to that. He just may not get fourteen million a year. Somebody brought up Seattle franchising him. I bet he'd rather retire at this point than be in that situation with Seattle next year. The way he has talked about and the way that unfolded yesterday with the bird, I mean, wow, that's not a good situation. So what if the Cowboys had made that trade and then the first game with the Cowboys

that happens. I mean that very reminiscent of Joey Galloway. Yeah, that's right there, you very reminiscent. I mean I remember sitting in a hot, tired press box getting my ass kicked by the Philadelphia Eagles and that guy's laying on the field, and then the report is he blot his knee. Talk about throwing up in your mouth the Pickle Juice game. Yeah, they muled our ass, they really really, So maybe the Seattle Seahawks give him a finger back and say we

franchised you. God correct me if I'm wrong, and I about ugly. I was hearing some rumors in speculation. Again, I don't want to make this all about Earl Thomas talk. But did somebody, and I need to ask somebody, maybe you guys know, did he John Snyder come out and say he would trade he would take a second round pick from anybody but Dallas. Is that is that? I've never seen John Snyder talk publicly. Well, maybe there was some whispers somebody brought up a second round pick Dallas

solid second round. Well, if Dallas was one of those sons. If Kansas City wanted him for two, they would give him up, but Dallas had to go to and something else. Oh well, I there was a schefter story yesterday about what Mickey said. I mean, they still want a second round pick for him, right, but but yeah, but the kicker was that he if you the Dallas, if Dallas wanted the player, they were going to have to offer more than the two. That Snyder was willing to take

the two from anybody else but the Cowboys. That's what I was kind of hearing some whispers on well good, so now he's gonna get a three, he's gonna get six now for an injured player. Yeah, all right, Look, you trade a guy if he's on IRR. I don't know. I don't think you're allowed to trade an injured player, but that's we could making sure to look at the rules. Soy Bicky's gonna look that up during the break way back with more of talking Cowboys in just a movement.

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It's what do we open with. It's like postseason basement. It's just outside, you know, this is a bit outside. I was thinking Mickey's reading this just like I would just mess up three or four on Jack Blast. That's why I thought it was Jack Blast. It is. You get a blast from Jack Black. There you go. I like that. I liked reads. What Mickey's reads are the

best they are. You know, Kabo Texas is coming through the twelfth and I'm not going to do the read because I've got to memorized now by ten or twelfth at at and T Stadium, it's Kabo Texas. Yeah, and we're looking forward to that. Yeah, okay, And you can get your tickets now or your passes now early bird passes at Kabo Texas dot com. That is spelled k A b Oo Kabo Texas dot com. Hoping led Zeppelin shows up for that would be great. Yeah, Cabo Town, I'd be there, all right, I said it right then?

Kaboo almost Mickey there. It's kind of to find out when we find out you like your performant at Kaboo Town today? Yeah right, what are you in? You and Dean Mark, You're gonna gets best gets best Monday again. Start spreading the new He's you know what is he is? A vested veteran? Is a vested veteran? I wish I was. I'm a veteran with a guaranteed contract. I wish I was. I liked that. Look there's the rock bat yeh Vegas. How Martino looks like he's come see Dean Martin s

Davis Martini right now? Can we get a Martini at Concrete Cowboy to mar Night. You can't make you a really good dress like that? Yeah? They all right? In fact, is Nate there? Oh, Nate's always there, sweating up a store. Got to wear that with Nate there? With Nate, you remember how Nate used to get on everybody in the video and what they wore on the team chart. To see him in the pregame or the post game show.

He dressed us up nicely in the post. He had a glasses look too that looked good less him and him and Kevin Gogan. He would be all over what the media would wear on the team charter. Call Bill Swanbeck. Yeah, yeah, Bill Swanbeck, who was a TV reporter for Channel four. And uh, who was it Gogen or Nate that made him all over him? When did he had like a nineteen seventy suit? Well, he had these sport coats and

Time of Leisure suits. Yeah, and Nate. Nate would see it and he goes, oh, Swanny, go to the Salvation Army to get that coat. I mean, he would just kill him. You'd see on the charter, you'd see Nate coming down the aisle and I would just bury my head. And he was like, it was like my one month of law school where I just buried my head in the book, hoping I wouldn't get called on to pick

on the guy that was the editor of Cowboys Weekly. Um, oh, spain Stone, because he was quiet, unassuming, he didn't play any thing right. But if there were fifteen stories in the weekly, Ron wore ten of them right, And so he'd come walking by and Nate goes, bye, Ron spain Why Ron Spain. And you know what, Pam Oliver went to school with them. Yeah, at no with n LA. Pam would talk about how he would sit at the fountain where everybody had to walk by during classes changing

and he would do the same thing. They were just calling everybody out that they wore loving buddy. That's just funny, all right. The best player on the field yesterday, obviously was Ezekiel Elliot. Elliott, who is the best defensive player for the Cowboys yesterday, DeMarcus Lawrence. Did you see as he signs? Yeah, eight tackles, three sacks, speaking of getting paid, three quarterback hits, two tackles for losses place the run. Well, that's where I was going. Like Brian was talking about

how they stopped the run. He's a part of that. And only only everybody wants talking about his sack numbers. But that was a big part of what he did last year to get in the Pro Bowl. The guy is chasing down plays everywhere from all over the field, and he's a complete football player. And you're right, he's gonna get paid. Keeps this up. He's gonna get paid. What's he making this year seventeen? Yeah, plus he's gonna

be just fine. Yeah, maybe you don't have a place at the end for old old Thomas at the end of the day. Yeah, I mean maybe Mickey. Mickey will tell me that they could sign everybody, which he's probably right about that. But you know what, I'll give a shout out too too, not just one guy. I'll give a shout out to the linebackers as a group when you look at what vander esh Smith and I even throw Damian Wilson in there a little bit, because what did those guys do they came up with. I'm gonna

say they came up with seventeen tackles. It was seven for Jalen, six for Okay. So with that being said, you were looking for how do you make up for Seawan Lee's eleven tackles? You know, how do you make up for that? And I think those three guys did a really nice job. Jalen Smith I give him a lot of credit, you know, the blitz, the way he was able to kind of fake the blitz and then show up on the blitz and attack the pocket and

help with sack. You know, again, I didn't think they were able to get pressure on Matthew Stafford the way they did. I mean, his numbers were great, Matthew Stafford, but they were able to affect him and some of those throws. And I feel like though that they were looking for a reason. We were all like going, Okay, how do you get by without Sean Lee? How do you get by without Shawn Lee? That was going to

be the biggest question mark. And if those if those linebackers can continue to play where it's six seven four or you know, nine eight three, you know, if they can continue to put numbers together where it makes up for Shaun Lee like that with those tackles, this this team will be all right until they get him back in the lineup. Bender. I'm sorry, Matt vander Esch. He's he's instinctive, he's diagnosis plays, and he's got the physical

tools to go finish plays and defeat blocks. M Lawrence is credited with the only quarterback hits in the game, three of them. Three of them. How surprised Smith? I thought Smith had went on the blitz. You know, they got around him and made him uncomfortable. Sure that was I mean, yeah, twenty four for thirty is still good numbers, it is, yeah, But but I think it could have been a hell of a lot worse. Yeah, I think,

and they did. There were some third downs they were able to get around him and affect the way he threw the football, mat throw him over the top of him or sack him in the pocket. I mean, there was a couple of times I thought when there some sacks they were gonna be able to get the ball out of there. Maybe created turnover, but I think those numbers could have been that could have been a lot higher for Stafford if they didn't have the pressure that

they had. Gregory got some pressure early. Yeah, Brian mentioned Taco Charlton. I'm sorry, um Tyrell Crawford getting us Taco how to tackle for loss. So, yeah, they were affecting him. And and hey, you have David David Irving eligible to come back this week. We'll see what kind of see what kind of shape he's in. Yeah, because we don't know what's up with with Antoine Woods who left with a calf injury in the middle And speaking of uh,

David Irving. So they will get a roster exemption for him, uh, And but he'll is allowed to practice and then by Saturday they have to make a decision if they're gonna put him on the fifty three or not, and then if they don't, then by Tuesday he automatically goes on and you're gonna have to get one week. They they they it's almost like they'll automatically get it. They gotta apply for it, but they'll get it. So one week exemption. You have to go, well, if he's gonna play Sunday,

do you have to cut somebody's Saturday Saturday? But you go through the week of practice, they will not make a decision on him, and until probably after practice there will be an email on Saturday that says that David Irving if he's ready, yeah, right, right, And you know he hadn't pushed against him. You can do all the running you want. He hadn't pushed against anybody, but they might be in such a bad shape. Yeah, because if you know, you get him back now he's going to

play the three. You hope that you maybe get Collins back. You heard anything on Collins Mickey, Uh, you know he it it. They said he didn't practice on Friday, right, but he did some of the individual joels. Okay, he didn't do enough to qualify practicing, but he was moving around pretty okay. It would be nice to have him, because what happens is you lost Woods, who's a one.

You lost a nose tackle there for probably a couple of weeks, and then you're now you're thinking, okay, well, David Irving is really a three technique or an undertackle. You got Crawford who's already kind of playing as the undertackle, not kind of. He's the starter at the undertackle right now, whether a little light is that one technique? So you know, they need to get they need to get Collins back. You know Red. I thought Reid was okay in the game.

I mean he was active. It's clearly they haven't he hasn't worked with the other guy. I mean training camp, he got some work with him, but the stunts and things that they need, how clean that needs to be, where he needs to be, where the other defensive end needs to be, you know that stuff that you know he'll only get with better with practice. But I think they're a little bit of a there's some there's some problems that they're gonna need David Irvin to be active.

I think this week and against the against the Houston Texas. Now when they played read he was playing one time. He was playing the one right right, And it does sound like David Irving is in better shape than he was OTAs when he you know, looked like me, Wait was not good? No, you look great? No thanks, he was not a why he was not in the shape that they wanted him to be in for sure. So now Woods now this morning, Jason thought he and Heath it was encouraging. Okay, it sounds like I said I

was heard from people last night. It was a calf. It was a calf, and he was probably gonna miss some time and he had missing going in. Yeah, yeah, missing some time you know, might mean he doesn't practice all week and let's see what happens at the end of the week. But you know, I wasn't. It was like, oh, I know they're gonna need to do something. Is But that was last night. Mickey and coach talked this morning

on one oh five three. So but he also qualified with Okay, let's see how it is when they wake up today. Sorry, and that was when he left yesterday. Yeah, when you sleep on it, he gets worse. I can vouch for that. And it was just a stinger for Heath right right, I thought he got. I thought he was going in concussion profile. You know, if we were doing talking Lions today, they would probably be talking about, well,

why didn't we throw the ball more? If you look at after that thirty two yard run by Carrie on Johnson to start the game, the Cowboys shut down their run game, is what we're talking about. And if you look at their first two possessions of the game, they were focused on running. On the first possession, they wound

up hunting. They came out throwing on their second possession, but then they got into the Cowboys into the field at the forty five and it was blunt for three, blunt for one, and an incompletion punt, and then when they threw the ball they had success against the Cowboys offense.

But to y'all's point on DeMarcus Lawrence and how big DeMarcus Lawrence was as far as the past defense is concerned, the one stop that they had in the second half, the first possession of the second half was when Lawrence got a sack right and the other two possessions that they had and so also credit the Cowboys offense for helping out the Dallas defense for once this season with the sustained drives they had in the second half. The

Lions only had three possessions in the second half. See, that was that was key to me, and that's why I wanted to finish it off with a touchdown run because I'm I got greedy. If you're gonna say you kill almost with how many the drive kill? Eight minutes? Yes, I was trying to kill eleven minutes is what I was trying to do. And you know, and and it kind of played out that way, and then they got

down there. I'm like, and I looked at Nate and I said, Nate, They've got to run it four times here, don't they And He's like, oh, absolutely, they're gonna run it for you know. And then you just kind of start going and you know what they were doing, and I'm like, and then the pasta rico and I'm thinking, is that really a high you know? Is that a high caliber play right there? Is that the right play? And you know, and it just so many things bothered me.

And again I started having flashbacks to look. I mean, I'm thinking, all this guy needs is one drive, you know, and one drive and let him get in position and he'll milk the clock. Down to nothing and then you're you got and then you got nothing to work with. If they had not won that game, they had not converted on that final drive, And look, Dak needs a lot of credit for the presence of mind he had on that last drive to pick up that ball. And no question, I mean, that was in some ways the

play of the game right there. Yes, um, but if they hadn't won the game, that would have been the whole narrative. It would have been defcon one about the play calling situation down at the line of scrimmage yard line,

why didn't you hand the ball to Zeke? I mean it would have been I know they wanted to figure, they wanted to run the best plays to score a touchdown, Okay, but do you think it entered their mind at all that if we keep running it and we get down to third down or fourth that whatever, you know, we're we're gonna have a decision to make. If it's fourth and a half yard, do we kick the field goal

or go for it? Okay? But if we do that, then the time is down so low that it's down to two thirty left and we're not gonna have time. When Stafford, well, I just I feel like, yeah, you see, to me, the drive is it's a really good mix, you know, of the running and how you know when you get down there. Yeah, they know you're going to hand the ball, but your line is coming off, well, your tight ends are actually getting some blocks. I'm taking my chances that guy is gonna get six yards on

three carries. Well, I'm taking my chance too on the first play, and so he just needed four yards yeah the next two. That's what I'm saying. I'm just gonna take my chance that you know that it's gonna happen. But I'm not leaving Matthew Stafford any time to really work with. Or if you do leave him time, at least you have a big enough lead to where, yeah,

where he can't he's gonna have to score. He's gonna have to onsite kick, he's you know all these things are you know, instead of just making a one score game. Oh oh. One of the narratives from last week is how come we didn't run as much zone read? How come we didn't run zone read this week? We have we not heard that question this week? They tried. Do you know there were some times where he handed it? He handed it. He handed it and there, you know,

he could have might have worked down there. Sure it could sure quarterback draw any I mean we saw a quarterback drawing Carolina down there, you know. I mean, so that drive, shouble pass anything on that drive. They had a third and two, Zeke up the middle for seven. Yeah, they had a third and one. Zeke went off left tackle for two and first down. And when they were at that third and two, I was sitting there and they're at the forty two. I said to myself, Okay,

run it twice, yeah, forty two. If you don't get it, just run it again. Keep running because it's two. You're you're in that no man's land. I punt right, Frank Reich? Or do I go for it? Oh? Wow? Yeah? And then bless his hardy. The ice is the kicker, and the guy misses it, it gets a second ye if

in case y'all missed it. Indianapolis, Frank Reich, they went for it on and in overtime it was like a seventh seconds and so he goes for it on fourth and four at his own forty three yard line rather than punting it away in a tie game with twenty seconds left and so tech, the Texans stop it. They take over at the Indianapolis forty three yard line. They complete a twenty five yard passed the Hopkins got him down into field goal range chip shot basically thirty eight

yard or something like that. And uh and so then reich Ice is the kicker and he misses the kick, hold it time out was called, so he gets a second chance and boots it through, and the Texans snap a nine game losing streak. And that's your Cowboys next opponent. Yeah, Texans gave up seven sacks in that game. Did they really gave up seven sacks? In a matter of fact,

they lead the league in sacks given up. I think they got seventeen now, so the hot Boys that boys aren't far behind now, I think, yeah, But that's again here you are. You're dealing with a quarterback that it's played a little bit better this week with Watson. But man, they got receivers again too. I'm sure we'll get in all that coming here up in the next couple of days, for sure. Brought back memories of Switzer in Philadelphia. Load

load left left. Bad day at the office. Well, it was cold, they wanted to get off the field, you know it was windy too. Yeah. Right. Oh, hey, all ended well though, didn't it. Yes? It did? Right? They won the Super Bowl over here, by the grace of God. It's a lot of heartache along the road to the super Bowl. Yeah, that might have been the hardest super Bowl ever won. That's right, not only to get there,

but then to win it too. I'll never forget. I've told the story the scene in the coach's locker room afterwards. They were all strewn out on the floor. They weren't even sitting in their chairs. They were just on the floor against these benches, half undressed. And I said, it looked like a bunch of boat people that just landed. I mean, they were so relieved to have won. There was no celebration. Do you think it was the same scene in the Cowboys locker room yesterday after the field goal.

I knew one thing. Nate and I were laughing about this, but because they showed the owner's box, so Jerry led up there and I said, this decision affects that group right there. That's the question I had. Okay, before that kick, who had the biggest butterflies or lumping their stomach or wherever? I couldn't drive and nail up the river. Yeah, it was it the kicker. Oh no, is that box the coach,

the Boers box, the owner's box. So Steve and Ja all the owner's boy, all those all those folks up there, they they knew what was on the line, especially the heels of Dan Bailey having a decent game on Thursday night for Minnesota. I think the least amount of pressure was on the kicker. Did you know about that one? Did you see what he said afterwards? Jerry? No, he said, I'm glad I wasn't trying to kick the field goal. I think that's as much pressure as you but some

of it got left out. He was talking about how he had a lump in his stomach and throat. He said, there's no way I could have made it. Yeah, wow, that's the drama. It's just just another sing in the national football He's eight for eight sinstead opening and tell what he's also what they call a flat liner. Yeah, man, you listened to his interview afterwards. He's a lot like Dan Bailey. Yeah, kicker sale just it's just one for one every time. That's a big kick. But he look,

that's a lot of pressure. You go back and look at how relaxed he was on that kick. Yeah. I mean Garrett said he could have drilled it from sixty the way he booted it, but but he just his body his body language didn't. When I saw the replay, I was like, wow, he just looks so relaxed. And then in his interviews afterwards, I said, well there's a flatline. Well there's good. What you need to be will play the game management at the end. I've always been critical

of Garrett in this crew. But they got the ball over on the left hash. Obviously they keitho quinn said where do you want this football? And he said put it on that left half. He saw those kicks last week. Yeah, that we're starting right, so it was clear that the left hash is his faded to the right. Yeah, he hit it straight, that one he hit and Carolina went straight at the right up right, didn't curl. So all right, that doesn't for talking Cowboys for this victory Monday. We're

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