Talkin' Cowboys: The Mac Attack

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As Week six is upon us, the Patriots look ahead, and throughout the next forty five minutes, we preview the Patriots offense and the Cowboys defense and just exactly what the Patriots do or do not really bring to the table in this matchup. But First, we have some updates from Rob Phillips. Where would you like me to start. How about Lyle Collins? Okay, Lyle Collins will not be back this week. What Judge Amos Mazant did denied his request for an emergency tro and junction whatever you want

to call it. He was trying to get back this week, so one more games. He's already back in the building. He's able to do certain things, work out, being certain meetings, but he will be fully back and able to play after the buy. Would you like me to get into all the details of the case or just kind of go very high level pretend on Mattlocke. Let's do that? Okay, Well, I mean it comes down to actually get into the details. I want to know the details. I can't I'm able

to give you very high level details. Okay, Okay, there's a lot into this, But I think ultimately it sounded like he he wasn't sure it was a the NFL was in the right in terms of what the CBA says and what they did in terms of suspending him five games, But ultimately, in his brief, he said the court cannot disregard an arbitrator's reasonable construction of the party's agreement. So I don't understand that exactly. I mean, to me, that's like both sides there. You disagree with it, but

you're you know, but you're upholding the suspension. So it's probably deeper than what I understand. But anyway, he's not back this week, and Terrence Steele will start it right tackle and doesn't get those game checks back like we were talking about earlier, which hurts a la l for a certain amount of time. Those are big game checks too. Things.

I thought the funniest thing about the whole deal was that the judge says, you know, while you have a really good case against NFL, but I'm not gonna get for you. So yeah, yeah, that's that. He's like, you got a really good case, you're coming at me really good, but we're not good for you. Just kidding and with Zeke when he actually is the same judge who you know, blocked Zeke's suspension and gave him that tro And it

comes down to it came down to irreparable harm. Could could they prove that that being gone and losing those game checks was irreparable harm to Zeke? And I guess maybe that wasn't proven in this hearing last Friday. So again, one more game for for LC, one more game for Terrence Steel as well as he's got that final game before the bye week, and it is good. I mean, you look at even just in the on field repercussions

of this. Heck, I mean, Lyle Collins is gonna go into weeks what was that Week eight of the NFL, and he's gonna be fresh. You don't have to worry about the neck that was bothering him earlier in the year. You don't have to worry about the hip, of course. I mean, I don't think we were all really that worried about his longevity and his health issues. But I

mean he's gonna have a fresh start midway through the year. Yeah, I mean we were worried about him, you know, obviously, like you said, coming into the season, hoping that that laboram surgery that he had on his hip had gotten better.

He missed all last year obviously, but tarn still again, we have to give him the props that he deserves because everybody had bubble guts when you figured out that Layelle was gonna go down, and so it's gonna be a situation where you already were worried about him as far as the neck, all of that tern still fills in. You give him a little bit more time to get better, hoping that is obvious the case that he comes back

ready to go. And from everything that I hear about people working with Brett Brown, I need to work with Bret Brown. I need is he if he is the miracle worker like that. I need to get out there on them bands with him, because I mean, just as the way that he turned Chauncey Ghoston who didn't have a training camp, and then he comes in and he's fresh, ready to go, Leo will come back just like that. Yeah, the bands suck. The bands sucked, but they're awesome at

the same time. I promise you everybody who touches the bands wants to hurry up and get back to practice because that session with Britt is much more challenging than it is to be on the practice field. It looks easy. Oh yeah, what makes it look why? I mean, what make constant resistance? The entire time those bands that he walks out there with, it looks like he's carrying dog on. I don't even know what it looks like. The rope from Heil. But those things work, man, and I'm a

fan of bands. Because of my time with Britt, I spent way too much time with Brett unfortunately, so sorry Cowboy's Nation. I spent most most of my time with that dude, but he got me back from all my injuries. Goodness. Yeah, I don't think anybody wants to go through that a little bit longer than they need to. And there are a couple of guys going through it longer than they need to. Nevill Gallimore, Trustin Hill, a couple names Michael Gallop in there as well. Any other news and notes

from yesterday, Rob, I don't think so. I think that was that was the main one. I think we mentioned the injuries yesterday. They do practice today. I'm not sure if it's gonna be outside or inside because we got rain coming, but we'll have a better idea if anybody's limited it all. You know, Zeke and and Amari were limited last week in practice. Randy Gregory too, but everybody was able to go. Zeke was pretty sore after this game.

I mean that pylon thing. I mean, like you said that you think the bands look easy like that pylon looks like a little pillow, but it's not apparently so. Well, the base of that thing is like hard plastic, right, you can see it when it got knocked over. It that thing, so there's no give. There's no give and that no give. Yeah, and he talked about it. Mike McCarthy talked about it. Yeah, we just probably move it a little bit. Supposed to be at the line of scrimmage.

He's like, yeah, let's push you back a little bit. Um. Yeah, let's listen to what Zeke had to talk about with that pylon, because it was it was really funny. Here's what he said about the landing on the pylon after the game. Yeah, I fell on a pylon. That thing. It's kind of hard. Maybe it's a fin spot for it. There you go. That's exactly what he said. Just make it like a hologram or something. Let's take advantage of all this great technology we have, you know, and just

have a fake pilot. He's definitely trying to buy that pylon right now, and so set her to sign it. Yeah. I can see that we're finding new ways that they can improve, you know, the dack touchdown that never was, you know, and put a microchip in the football. We hate to be the poster child for all of this needing uh technology out here though, like you said that the Dack touchdown that wasn't and the pylon. Come on, now, can we what's next? Can we trademark these ideas? You

guys are trademark and then talk about it. Yeah, you guys are going giving this right three. You guys are doing this as an entrepreneur. They like, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? By the way, you mentioned rain potentially today kind of being the deciding factor on whether or not to go outside or go inside.

But what about Sunday? I mean the last time the Cowboys made their way to New England, I mean it was supposed to be rainy or it was rainy and cold and was one of the sloppiest games on natural field turf thing you've seen. And god knows how long, at least at the moment looking at the forecast going into Sunday, there is a minor chance of rain. It was like fifteen percent this morning. So that's a good thing. That's thumbs up if you wanted to talk about the

weather that you would face potentially in Foxboro. So that way you don't look at twenty nineteen again and have a repeat of that. That game was a mess, and it honestly came down to really Brady had one big completion in that game and that kind of made the difference. I mean, that's it was very difficult for the quarterbacks to function in that game. That I say a standback, you would have loved that twenty nineteen game because it was all special teams. Yeah, it was not good for

the Cowboys that day. When the weather acts up there, it gets rough, it gets really weird because of how the wind comes into that stadium. It's swirls like crazy. It's like literally the one ends on it just like a little wind tunnel. It just comes in and it just shot and then it goes out. But hopefully it's not too windy out there, because again it will change the way in which you have to post the game. And these are two very different teams facing off this

week than what we saw in twenty nineteen. So let's start talking about that Patriots offense. And of course the biggest difference from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty is no Tom Brady. I mean he is not a part neither as Julian Atowin is. I guess Rob was already retired by that point. Gronkowski I think he took that was the year. Yeah, so either way, I mean, the three cornerstones of that team are not there on offense. And

we'll talk about the defense more tomorrow. The defense is real still, But what kind of strengths does the Patriots offense bring to the table in this matchup, because at least at the moment, heck, but I don't see a ton of things that they could take advantage of. Well, I mean it's really outrunic, you know, you talk about it, Josh McDaniel as offensive coordinator and Kellen Moore and where he is right now, the parallels between the two, because

Josh McDaniel at one point was a hot commodity. Kellen Moore right now is scorching hot. Everybody's talking about him if future head coaching. But yeah, I think that when you look at the Pats right now, they are in the mold of where they were when Tom Brady first took over as quarterback. They want to keep the game as close as they possibly can. They want to play defense, and they want to get you into a slug fest, and they want to make and want to make you

make a mistake. You know, if you make a mistake, they get a turnover, they can get an easy point, they can force you into that. But there's nothing explosive explosive about this offense right now. They've only scored eight touchdowns in five games, three rushing touchdowns in five passing touchdowns. So not allowed to be afraid of. But what they can do fundamentally is play era free football and they're

not gonna beat themselves. And in the turn the ball over the whole heck of a lot do things stupid, But they still have a rookie quarterback. And you have to force the hand of this rookie quarterback to do some of the things that we've benefited from greatly, and that's the turnover differential. I loved your article about the turnover differential. Man talk about Mike McCarthy when he was a Green Bay dump capers all that. I loved it. I took a lot from that too, But uh, you know,

it's just man, not a lot. Again. I don't want to try and feel as though like we're just gonna run him and knock them out, because it's not gonna happen there well coached team, but as far as the offense is concerned, look, it's just not a lot of explosion. Yeah. Personnel wise is where these guys are a kind of snake bit. They don't have the personnel that they've had in past years, nor the experience and in those positions, right, they don't have the experience at running back like they

did before. They don't have the experience that receiver tight end. They got some dudes, right, they got some dude they but they spent they broke the bank to make sure they had some dudes at that position. Hunter Henry Johnny Smith. Yeah, absolutely, those two guys are real and those are two of the highly talted guys around the league last year, and they wouldn't got both of them. Um, So I think

that that was on purpose. Obviously, not only because of the success that New England has had in the past with their recent with their tight ends, but obviously it gives a sense of security, right, And we talked about the safety blanket for like Dalton Schultz where he is

to DAC right now. Those two guys are the safety blank it for mac Jones and it allows those guys not only sit in and block and give him protection, but also gives him an outlet and somebody some guys a throw to on the interior because they don't have the weapons on the outside. They still have Nelson al Gillard and a couple other guys. But those guys aren't guys that like, I fear the thing that we have. They always talk about it. Right, Identify right, respect, Never

fear right, Identify respect, never fear your opponent. So identify who can hurt you? Well, you got the two tight ends I can hurt you. Okay, identify Also the quarterback. He's young, he's still learning, but he only has two percent less efficiency completion rate than DAC does. He has two more interceptions in Dak, right, but he has two. He's seventy one percent on his completion rate DAC seventy three. So let's not look at this and say, okay, but

this guy's just young. He is their guy, their curveball that we have a watch out for. Is who their quarter offensive coordinator? Yeah, Daniels. As as this quarterback gets more comfortable in this system, they're going to become more of a threat. They will him. Josh McDaniels will find ways to get his playmakers a ball. Mac Jones will get more comfortable with the calls that Mike McDaniels has and those once their relationships starts blending, that's when things

start happening. So I think that he's doing a good job in terms of managing the game. He just doesn't have the weapons that we have or the experience that Dak has to be as explosive as we are. But he's very efficient. Yeah, Jacoby Myers is their leading receiver and he actually his coming out party was that twenty nineteen game against the Cowboys when he had like seventy four yards as an undrafted guy, and he's kind of

their lead receiver. Although I agree with you guys, Hunter Henry's kind of been maybe their biggest threat in the passing game. Damien Harris is questionable. Maybe for this game. We'll see. He's banged up. He heard his ribs in the Texans game, so we'll see. But you actually hit on my point. It's it's kind of like it's almost

a new offense. I mean, the personnel is almost completely different than certainly since the last time the Cowboys played them, And I totally agree with the fact that mac Jones. They'll get better as you already see him more comfortable as we go. You watch that Tampa Bay game and it's impressive how kind of unflappable he is. And he had no running game to speak of in that game as well. And the stats show he's getting better against the Blitz and you saw it against the Houston game.

They'll work the middle of the field on you. I mean, you know the guys with crossing routes, and you see that with Aglar and and Myers, so we'll see it's it's not an offense that is really testing people down the field a lot. But again, yeah, they don't make a ton of mistakes, so you can't do what you did on Sunday and turn the ball over and give him extra possessions, give them more chances to get some

drives going. Yeah, points will be at a premium because if you get into a situation where you start off slow like you did against the Giants, it's gonna be

they'll get you an a dog a dog fight. But I wanted to ask you when you make that comparison from mac Jones and Dak as far as they're completion percentage right now, what do you, I mean, as far as your evaluation of him as a quarterback, being a formal quarterback, do you see a guy that's a bus Obviously, he's a rookie, so he's a bus driver, all right, So he's he's not able to get to that third read yet, but he's exceptional as a rookie in his

first and second read. With them letting go of Cam and all of that, did you think that, you know, they needed that dynamic to their offense because they don't have the explosion or the ability to stretch the field or even him, even him be a dynamic runner. Yeah. I think obviously losing Cam, you lost ability for somebody to create. Yeah. There, um, but I don't think that it would have changed much in terms of their ability to throw the ball more effectively because they just don't

have the weapons on the outside, that is personnel. Have they ever Yeah, I mean so Yeah. The reason I don't think that they've ever had I want to say ever, they've had guys in the past that were dominant, right, but it's usually on the interior. They work you on the inside to your point, right, And so they've always had I've always had Welker they always had Edelman, They've always had you know, the tight ends grown. They've always

had guys on the interior the exterior. They really have never ever been truly that concern with that um setar from my time there when they had Moss. Yeah, all right, so that was it. They like the work the inside of the field because there's more there's more field on the interior than there's an exterior, right um. And that's where they run their offense at and they hurt you with their running backs out the back field. That's how

New England's always hurt you. But to that point, you know, McDaniels, The more comfortable that these two get their relationship, the more tightly woven that they get, the more dangerous they're going to become. Mac Jones looks very composed, very composed as I break down the film on him. He nothing startles him. His footwork is amazing. It's very Tom Brady ish in terms of his footwork in yeah, I mean in terms of guys and how the how guys are

rushing and gets him. He just slides up one step here, one step there. His eyes never come off down field. It's just his guys have to get open. And I think the more confident that Josh, the more comfortable Josh McDaniels becomes with his personnel, the more he'll start getting in his bag. Because we all know Josh McDaniels is getting his bag and we'll break it down in the field room. I got some stuff that Jesus. I mean

the way he draws stuff up. He has two three options in terms of concepts within one play that works against whatever the defense presents. It's amazing. So the more confident that McDaniels gets with his personnel, the more dangerous these guys become. And these guys really want to beat you down. It's always been the case in New England. They physically want to out just outman you. They want

to run you into the ground. Defensively they're big and they're heavy right, but offensively their office ave line, they had two guys they were on the COVID list last year that didn't opted out, so they got they're still getting their feet underneath them in two in terms of continuity on that line. So this is a team that's upcoming, let's just make sure that their coming out party isn't against us. I agree, and I think Josh McDaniels as

a play caller still has a lot to offer. I mean, even though he, like you said, isn't maybe that hot commodity he was at one point for head coaching jobs, he's a heck of a coordinator. I mean, he puts the playbook on the table and it is it is pretty pretty big, and he's got the Super Bowl rings to prove it. Yeah, and you could say maybe he's not a hot commodity, but I think he's just going to be the coach there day. I I just don't think he's going anywhere until Bill leaves and he's the

guy in waiting. That's just I mean, I have notice, and they're most comfortable with. I mean, he keeps going back there, right he left it, he was there, he left, he came back. He was like, I'm just gonna sit here. He's had other opportunities since then. He was just like, nah, I'm a post I'm good right here. I'm a good where I'm sitting. One way you see him create his creativity is in the red zone. Because they especially I was just watching the game last week. They they've struggled

down there, struggle cashing in. I think some of it is they've had some some offensive line issues. Guys have been banged up, so you'll see them go wildcat, um try to do some different things to catch the defense that weird guard. Isn't that weird? I mean they do all of those great conventional things all the way up into the red zone, and then they go it's completely out of I mean they've double reverse wildcat stuff like that.

I mean, when they get down the red that's got to be a worry for them, because if you look at the amount of field goals that they kick, they're just once they the whole offense sputters out. And I think that's a byproduct of having that rookie quarterback that is not able to act, acly dissect and see the concepts that you're talking about. And so maybe later next year, but as long as he has a defense, he's always gonna have a chance. And that's what they have, is

a defense. There's gonna be a trip, there's gonna be a point, and again I hope it's not against us. There's gonna be a moment where it clicks for him and he's like, I got I got Smith, I got freaking Henry, and I got Harris coming out of the backfield or whoever else, right, and those guys are gonna He's gonna figure out how to get those guys into those dog on a little holes. And once he gets confidence in terms of just being able to give those

guys ability to make plays. When you're young, you think that everything has to be perfect. You think that you're when you're a young quarterback, you think that your ball has to be on the money. You think that everything has to be right there on the guys. As soon as you learn to trust your personnel, just liked knows how to trust everybody else that we have on our offense.

Right now, He'll throw it up there and guys will go snag and he's like, Okay, as long as I put it in this area, you know, my guy can go get it. I don't think he knows that yet. He hasn't he hasn't let that go, He hasn't let that control go point to that point. But once he realizes that those guys can make plays, that those are some of the best guys at their position in the league. Oh, that's that's going to open up his his his box. And most of the guys he trust, right now on

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practice today. Heckma Isaiah, Rob Kyle got Chris Beam in the back and we were just talking about the tight ends, and goodness, gracious, I don't know a team that has so much talent at tight end but so little talent at wide receiver. Because even the teams that even the teams that have talent at tight end, I mean Kansas City got a guy outside. Yeah, maybe San Francisco Kittle.

I mean, there's not a ton of guys outside there, but they still got Brandon Eu can some guys that can make some damn it or have rereak some havoc in the on the outside. But man, most of the talent is inside. So I ask you this question, rob who's challenged the most out of the tight ends and what they could potentially do on this Cowboys defense. Um, well, I mean, Curse has been a guy that they've played i mean pretty much every snap in that big nickel

because of his ability to cover tight ends. Um. You know. Micah Parsons is a guy. You know, he was on Gronk and the Opener, and we'll see what he does. I mean, he's they've kind of moved him around obviously, but I think this might be a game where he's best suited at linebacker. I mean, because you mentioned what the backs can do out of the backfield tight ends or the strength of their offense, and having his speed behind the behind the line of scrimmage, um, that may

be best suited to help there. So those are the two that jump out to me the most. While you smiled, this is the Michael Parsons that linebacker argument. Again it sound good. No, it's not an arguments I'm arguing, okay, I mean honestly, it's it's based on the matchup everywhere. Yeah, I mean, and especially when you have a guy that you could do that with. I just you know, look talking about the tight ends, Hunter Henry has got Man.

I loved him in Arkansas. I thought he was a stud there and that was just stud in and when he played for San Diego go Uh. It's not a mistake. But you're right. They they've always done a lot of a ton of great things with their tight ends and they've been the protection for the quarterbacks over the years. And just Hogg in the middle of the field is what they're what their tight ends do. Jeron Curse, I think this is he could take this. This is a

matchup that he should feel comfortable with. Even Neil, I think getting nil into a D third or flat on the tight end, I don't think you could go wrong there. You know, it's just maybe some of the other challenges, maybe the jonal smith you know, a lot more athletic, uh. And so that's there's gotta be some got to pay some attention to guys like that. And we've seen in the past, and the reason why we've even talking about

tight ends is because we've been plagued by them. So I think defensively, if we just stick to what we've been doing as far as applying pressure, jumping those routes, because you know that's where the Rookie's gonna go. He's his first read and he's not checked down Charlie, but he will definitely eyeball his sight ends because they again, they are his his safety blanket. It's very close to what Dak Prescott does with Dalton Schultz. That's not a checkdown.

It's more of a safety blanket. It's more of an opportunity to get the ball to somebody and be confident in that fact. And now you not only have one of those guys, you've got two of them that can make some damage. Yeah, they're both threats. They're both threats. And I think Hooker and oh, we're gonna just blank out Casey, Yeah, Hooker, CAZy, all those guys are gonna have their hands full. These guys don't run normal tight

end rountes. They're not running like the regular okay, check all right, now, I'm gonna get out to the flat, all right, quick out, all right, little option round. These guys are pushing it down the field. Yeah, and they're gonna stretch not only our safeties in our secondary, but they're also going to stretch our linebackers to get more depth. And what is what do we know that new England likes to do like they'd like to use their running

backs as options as well. So if we have these two tight ends running down the middle of the field literally putting stress on our secondary and making our linebackers get more depth, it forces you to now have to pay attention to those guys underneath, because those running backs are going to creep out and get the easy little passes for mac Jones. So it's it's it's one of those things. Man. It's like, yeah, you might be able to shut down the tight ends, but what are you

gonna give up in order to do that? And or if you try to just stay underneath, those guys get behind you and now you're asking your safeties to come up and make big hits on big guys. So, I mean, it's we have our hands for one. I'm looking forward to seeing this is the biggest challenge that we've had as a duel at tight end position. Obviously Week one is one of the best dudes ever do it. Um, But I mean these guys, these two guys work really well together. And then they have another guy and he's

one of the guys that sitting there. He'll put hands on you. Yeah, So um, they have, they're gonna use three. Don't be surprised, um to see three tight end sets consistently, because again, they want to muscle you off the ball and then they want to utilize that to get behind you once they get you coming up. They haven't been running the ball that effectively, they really haven't. But but we know what they want to do. They want to

get the ground game going. Um. And they're and they're very determined in that regard, almost to a fault, almost to a fault, very much so. UM. But if you allow them to get that going even a little bit, that's when those tight ends can really come back and bite you. But to borrow, sorry to borrow a phrase from Jason Garrett back in the day, they were they were persistent with the run last week. Like it wasn't great. It wasn't great. I mean it's like three seven yards

of pop or whatever. But it allowed them to at least get the play action and they had Houston biting on that play action. That's what they you know, they were able to get a lot of things going across the middle of the field based based off the threat of the run. Yeah, and I anticipate Dan Quinn being in his bag in this game because he recognizes where the threats are and when you have I mean, Curse has emerged in this defense as a guy that you

trust in those big nickel situations. But I think all in all, even with their offensive line, they played well together and they have great I mean, this is I'm not telling you something you don't know. They're well coached team. So the thing about them is they're going to play their assignments the best. But what we have is guys upfront that can get that pressure that can throw off those routes when they go play action like that. If Osa's in the face of Mac Jones, that completely disrupts

everything that they want to do offensively. I'm not afraid of that. Hannah Henry and these guys that there's nothing about them as tight as that I feel is dynamic, and I feel like from our from our defensive standpoint, we just stay true to who we are. We've eliminated we stopped teams from trying to run the ball because we've consistently applied that pressure and they can't stick to

their game plan. If we get out on them early, they have to change their spots because if they continue to try and be methodical in their offense, they're gonna find themselves down by multiple scores. Josh McDaniels actually spoke about that this last week or this week, that they haven't run as much too tight end as they want because they haven't been able. They've been behind on the scoreboard.

So maybe the biggest the best defense is for Dak and score that, get three three touchdowns in the first half and make it hard for them, you know, make them spread things out. That sounds great to me. Let's just get it done. Let's touchdowns on the board. Let's just go ahead and get out there. And they're not knocked it down. They're not a team built for coming back. No, they're not built for that. But they if you allow a games stay close, they will wear you out. Because

that's kind of what he was saying, that's the game plan. Yeah, I mean if they if you get away from that, they're in trouble. Yeah, I mean, that's that's one thing I think the Cowboys should be looking at. I want to go off of something you said there. You talked about dan Quinn being in his bag last week or excuse me, two weeks ago, the battle that I was

most excited about going into the Carolina game. Was Kyle or was Brady Joe Brady and then along with Kellen Moore, I mean the two offensive coordinators dueling back and forth, and ma'am, we had a lot of fun with that one. I'm more excited about the direct matchup between Dan quinn and Josh McDaniels this week. That is going to be

fun because, I mean, two guys that are ascending. After having a head coaching stint that didn't necessarily go their way, they go to a place where they have some talent to work with and now they are on the rise again as coordinators. I think this is going to be as good of a battle as you'll see between these two. It's not a bad matchup, man. Those guys are both really well respected in terms of their intellect. I think dan Quinn obviously in terms of how he uses his

personnel and how he'll approach every game differently. And you got Josh McDaniels, where nobody's ever doubted his ability to play call anybody, I've never heard it that dude is. He's very smart to do it as smart and he will put his guys in position to be successful. And if he can't put him in position to be successful, he'll create something, all right, time, he'll draw some mess up on the sideline on them dog on a little tablets and and they'll be all right, here we go

in the dirt boom. You guys got it cool? All right, go out there and run out there. Yeah. So that's that's him. So, I mean to your point called, I think it's going to be a heck of a showdown. And also the fact that these guys, these two coordinators have history. Ye they've seen each other a few times, and you know, and I want to go back to that what you're saying about McDaniel and being how dynamic

he is as a play caller. I think dan quinn coming into this week, I mean, well, I bet you that they are waiting for that bye week because they are having to prepare for everything. Yeah. Everything is not one of those teams where you go, oh this is you're in a whole bunch of twelve or they are running up, they run everything. Was McDaniels the OC in the Super Bowl against them, I want to say he was,

I think. So yeah, so there's history, there's there's a there's a few He is a Super Bowl history, but he's been back there for quite a few years. He wasn't there when they played Seattle in the Super Bowl? Was he? I don't think he was there. Yeah, I'm talking about I know you, I know what you're talking about, but I'm saying, was he there that far back when Dan Quinn was the coordinator in Seattle? He may have been,

We don't know. I don't know why. I got to look at He's been in and out of the New England, so I'm not sure he has. He's been the OC since twenty twelve, so that would be a yes. Yeah. So they got two Super Bowls of going up, so this history, you know, basically twenty two. So it's gonna be interesting. And I think the more pressure that we apply to this team and not let up off of them, we're gonna have to do this for four quarters, you know.

And I love what Isaiah is saying about him. They're not that explosive of a team, but they want to get you out into some They want to muddy the water, you know. And if you can get dirty with them, and you getting dirty mean turn the ball over, have poor execution, then they got you it's gonna to me. It comes down, Yeah, to stop the run, don't give them any threat to be duel and balanced, and you know,

get after him. I mean he has again. They talked about it quick release, and in that Tampa game they actually put side by side Dak and Mac Jones's mechanics with a click quick release, and it is it is impressive. He's been better against the blitz. But what was the staff think? You retweeted it too. Most rookie preussers in the NFL right now, Osa Digizua and Micah Parsons. And with Parsons, you know, it's not just amongst rookies, that's the NFL. Yeah, it's crazy. And we don't know week

to week where Mike is gonna be. He's probably gonna do a little bit of everything. So just get after the rookie man. The best part about that stat is it's been a consistent stat throughout the year. I mean it hasn't been like, oh, week two they were like fifteenth and sixteen. That No, they've been like up toward the top of that list, if not the top of the list for the entirety of the year so far. All Right, when we come back here on Talking Cowboys.

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Patriots offense and the Cowboys defense now Cowboys defense. Of course, we mentioned this yesterday with so many guys gonna come back for Menjurie pretty much in waves after the bye week. I mean it's gonna be one week after the other after the other. I mean, you're gonna have an influx of starters, fresh legs coming in and being a part of the defense. So I ask you the question yesterday. It was about people might be losing their jobs. Who is saving their jobs with the play that they've had

so far? HECMA on defense. On defense, I'm gonna say, Jeron Curse is a guy that you, Yeah, you gonna have a hard time replacing the value that he's shown you. And Jeron Curse is a guy they're probably going into two of days. You probably didn't even think he was gonna make the team because he was looked at as a special team's ace, and here he is just showing up and showing out and making the most of his opportunities.

I think, outside of Terrence Steele, and maybe right there with Terrence Steele, I think Curse is my most pleasant surprise throughout the year. Yeah, like those two guys on both sides of the football, this team would not be nearly as confident in what they're doing without those two guys doing what they're doing. He's basically a starter with the snaps he's playing, and he was a special teams

guy basically mostly throughout his career. Yeah, so the Cowboys saw something fit wise that maybe other teams didn't come off the field the last game did not, did not. That's huge. And Donald will be back, you know, at some point. But I mean he just he helps you in so many different ways. You can play him in different spots, you know, So it's not just one role that he fills. I got a controversial one. But I

want to hear you guys. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, Now come on, tell me who who's your guy that's that's playing into his role or role is safe? However it was pose This is kind of a reach. I mean, that's that that you took my one? A didn't I want to? Yeah? Absolutely, I think that might have been everybody everybody's um hm, So this is my reach. My reach is Jordan Lewis. I'm not Jordan Lewis, but um Anthony Brown, That's where I was going to. Let's go one. Yeah.

So Anthony Brown, I mean I think he was He's obviously your starter just because of his experience and because of what his salary says. He gets. Um. But I think that the plays that he's making and as as week especially, I think that he's securing his spot as that that may have been challenged by the rookie Joseph when he was coming back. So I think Joseph still

would have to prove that he deserves that spot. But I think that they were they were going to be kind of listening and they say, okay, let's let's see young fellow. And if he would show up some spurts, I think they would have just said, here you go. But now a Browns like nah, player like you stay, you come help us. But this is what I do. This is my spot. That's a good one. I like that. I didn't even think about the aspect of throwing the

rookie in there. But you're right, I mean, Calvia, Joseph looked like he was on a fast track to that spot, and that's not necessarily happening. Yet you gotta wipe Tampa Bay from your memory. I mean, as good as that receiving corps is, I mean, look, man, it'd be a problem for anybody. Unfair. He's got the picks. And I think you also have to keep in mind, as good as this cowboy's offense is, the corners are getting tested

more than any corners in the NFL. Digs and Anthony Brown's it's a lot to handle because of the fact that you know that they're upp lot. You know, that's challenging for the other for this this cornerback group, that's a good point. Targeted pretty much targeted more than any cornerback group in the NFL. I would because of the score. Yeah, I would imagine they're right up there. That makes sense.

I would love to go look at that Sunless. So, who's your guy, Rob, You're not gonna get out of this, no, Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown's your guy. Yeah, shake it before you bake it, all right, I want to hear yours. Well, here's here may be my reach and it's Osa Diggy Zoul because of Galimore coming back from elbow Andrew and look, before the season started, you were looking at Osa as a rotational guy, uh, for Galimore. I think now Galimore is in a situation where he's the rotational guy for OSAM.

So when Galimore and Hill come back, they're gonna be watching and coming in to spell OLSA be interesting. I mean, I don't think you're sitting him down. I agree with you there. I mean I actually I think I'm gonna stand with you on this one. I think Osa is the starter when Gallimore comes back, I'm right there. I'm along beside you because and I'm one who I loved Nevill Gallimore coming out of the draft. I was really high on him. I had a second round grade on him.

I thought getting him in the third was a steel And I don't think he's a bad player by any means, but for what we've seen early in Osa's career and his get off and his strength and his ability to just disrupt things in the middle of that line. Never never really did that as a rookie and just tot but it's a big Basically, heals more like Osa than Gallimore is more like us, you know what I mean.

Like Gallimore's talking about the energy. Yeah, okay, that's the only comparison, Like I would I want to see him both next to each other. That would that means you have to take Brent urbanof that. That's That's where I was going though, too, because it's like they're all gonna play like Qu's he wants like a If he could have a twenty man D line rotation, he would have it. So they're all gonna play. But like does Brent Urban

snaps stay the same when Gallimore comes back. Maybe Osa's do, but not Urban, who's been playing more just and adding more context of what you're talking about about Ole DIGGI zoo in his start. Think about this Gallimore when he really didn't even come into his own to like week nine or ten, it was it was a layers game. Was really the first one where he really hit the table. Right now, Olsa is hitting the ground and running and

like I said, it's gonna be hard. I believe to replace that or take him out or not have him on the field. Like, okay, sixty eight snaps in the game last week, Osa had forty one, Watkins had Carlos Watkins had thirty five. Like there's enough Root, there's there's an Urban had thirty. Yeah, there's room for everybody to get in there and play. Bohannah was sixteen in there as well. Bohana is going to be a interesting conversation.

I don't think he's played poorly, but he's just not doing the same things as some of the other guys are at the moment. It's a great, good problem to have. It is. It's great. It's a fantastic problem to have. You've got a second rounder and a third rounder sitting in the wings ready to come back and make an impact, and one of those probably should have been a second under as well. But it's gonna be a lot and man, the challenges and tomorrow we're gonna obviously talk about the

offense and more. That's gonna be so exciting because of that deep pass defense is it's I don't know, one jump ahead, but I'm just telling these guys are for real. But the matchup and what we're gonna do once Gallup comes back. We talk about the defense. What are we gonna do on offense once we get some of these guys back healthy. Yeah, that's a topic of conversation really quickly before we do wrap things up, I want to get your ranking. Where does this Patriots offense rank against

the teams you've seen so far? Is it third? Fourth, fifth, sixth? I mean that's just then a third. I guess I wouldn't rank them up there too high as far as I was. Actually that was higher than I thought it would be. Honestly, Well, you got Tampa and Chargers and they're one two, one two, and then I think better than the Eagles. Do you think so different? Different times? I mean, there's more speed on the Eagles, but they're they're more efficient than Philly was, at least in the game. Name.

That's all I'm talking about them. Yeah, m hmm, that's a good one. I would compare it right at it though I was thinking the same thing earlier. The only thing with the Eagles is, like Rob just said, different styles. I mean, the Eagles have the outside weapons with Raygor and Watkins and things like that, whereas it's all inside

for the Patriots. Better than Carolina's no offense, No, put him at five out of the six that we've four we played five people, right, Yeah, and put them out you would put you would put Carolina's offense, this would be six though, yes, this would be the sixth sude. Yeah, So I'll put them at um. I put them at five. Who are they above? They are above um, Philly, Philly? Yeah? Will they be the last? Yeah? Yeah, so Philly, New England,

Carolina then we go up from there. I would put them dead last, and I'm not afraid of saying that. I think Philly's got more weapons outside. It's a different, different style, But I think I would I would rank them bottom bottom of the barrel, at least, not so much on the defensive side. I think this New England's defense is oh man, they're they're big, that's they're physical, and they were quick too on the back end, more

so than the coordinators we just talked about today. That's that's the chess match that we're gonna get into tomorrow. That's gonna be fun. Yeah, you can fast forward, let's do it. Yeah. Can we just give Chris we got an extra forty five minutes? Can we just cut free and just talk about it now, because we're that excited about it. Nope, good trying. All right, that's it for us. You're on Talking Cowboys for Chris Beam in the back, for heck My Harrison, Isaiah stand Back, Rob Phillips and

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