Talkin' Cowboys: The Kyler Factor

Glad you're with us here over the next forty five minutes, We've got a lot coming at you when where it comes to the Cardinals and the Cowboys Monday Night Football Cup. In just a little bit, we're gonna preview Cardinals offense. Well, they've got some weapons coming to town this week against

this hopefully healthier Cowboys defense. Whatever the time comes around this week, we'll still figure out a lot today where it comes to the Cowboys getting back on the practice field and seeing some injury reports on who will be available coming up on Monday Night. But we are Talking Cowboys. Heck My Harrison, Rock Phillips, Isaiah stand back, I'm Kyle's glad you're with us and guys. I wanted to start

the show with a little bit of draft news. Of course, the NFL Draft still about eight months away, or I guess it's it's still a good amount of time away. But I think there's an emerging prospect of the NFL Draft that's in our very hometown, in our very area. Because I got a text message esway from a close insider whenever it comes to Dallas Cowboys draft coverage, and it was a football game footage in a statline that

I saw from a local game. Heck, my Harrison's son, Oh my gosh, you have got twenty twenty eight NFL draft prospects on your hand. It's my friend, because this guy just went off yesterday. He told me that stout linking man, Chris Beab is too much, man, And I'm echoing too, Chris, thank you. He hates to what I do like that. But my little man had a game yesterday, man, he had a he had a he had a game yesterday. Uh well, three touchdowns, uh two kickoff returns and man

a forty five yard run. Man. So you know, I'm proud. I'm that parent, I'm that parent. Do you know he's not on that deer antler is he He's not on that ray lewis Man, but one of the bringing that up had the kick returns sent in our Talking Cowboys group message and little Hack as we call him, was just, uh, he was being a heck of a ruckiss what it was throughout his game yesterday. So hey, congratul a little heck and he gets a little shallot shout out to

start things off. But let's put into let's get into some Cowboys news and Rob, we talked about the quarterbacks signing yesterday, and uh, there's a couple of injury got injury fronts that we need to kind of address whenever it comes to who is available coming off of IR here in the next couple of days and leading into this week against the Arizona Cardinals. Who is the who is eligible to come off of IR at the moment? Is Cheeto Owoozia one of those games as well? Yes

he is. I believe he's eligible. Right it's a three week mum, so I think he's been out for three weeks at this point. Cam Irving, the offensive tackle who is a possible swing tackle candidate injury training camp. Cam Irving and I didn't say, Flaming, I said Irving, I got right. Yeah, Am Irving and Layton Vanderesh are in

good shape to come back soon. I don't know if it's gonna be this week, but they started their practice window and Vincel Bryant did as well wide receiver last week, so that's a good sign because they've got to be back on the active roster within you know that twenty one day period whence it starts, So you know, vander esh is a guy to watch this week. We'll see. McCarthy mentioned the fact that on extra day, a longer week might help him, So maybe with a strong practice week,

he's got a chance to come back. But I would look at those two, I'm not sure if he's quite ready yet. They yet to start his clock yet, so maybe that happens this week. We'll see. And of course the clock that Rob is referring to twenty one days following being taken off of ir put on the practicield rather, is when you have to put him on the active roster as a part of these new les with COVID nineteen twenty twenty NFL season temporary rules at the moment.

But Isaiah, whenever we talk about adding a Layton vander Esh and adding you know, a Hoosier back into the fold, and even I'll throw a crick Cam Irving in there as well, because that's been a problem spot for the Cowboys at least throughout the course of the season. He may be starting right tackle if you think, uh, Terrence Steele is worth a demotion at least at this point. Even I thought he had maybe his best game on Sunday.

But what do you what does due to a team that is still kind of reeling from the Dak Prescott injury. You want to build some confidence and you get some guys back. I mean, it's it's all a position base, right, So I don't I don't think I'm off as a line I don't think we have anybody that's gonna be coming off of I r M who is eligible to play that's gonna be a huge impact, right, It's gonna be a game change. I think those guys are all

relatively interchangeable at this point. I think they're all competing for the same spots, so that that I don't see too much of a too much of an impact at the linebacker position. It would be nice to have lv N but I don't want them to bring him back, can risk angry too soon. I'd rather than bring him later then sooner, right. Um, I don't think that he is of urgent need at this point in time. If there's nothing that he's gonna provide to this team, now,

that's gonna that's gonna be a big while. Um. If this defensive line doesn't decide to play ball, then the linebackers are all void anyway. So I think the I think they should take their time with him and get him healthy, especially with this schedule getting a little bit easier after this week's game. And then as you go to secondary, Cheeto, if the cheetah's available to play, bring his butt back. Because these boys got some cheetahs out here,

and they got some they got some dolls. I know there's been a lot of talk about d Hop, but these guys don't forget. There's a Hall of Famer on the opposite side of d hop that by the name of Fitzgerald, and you may want to keep an eye on him. So these guys have three very very established receivers um and they have a quarterback who can get the ball around. So if Cheeta's available, to bring him back, everybody else get him healthy. No, I agree with that, Champ.

I think that getting Cheeto would would do a lot for the second there, especially with the task that they have in front of them and DeAndre Hopkins. But you start to see just little signs that the secondary they're starting to communicate a lot better. I think that was the number one thing that we were just questioning, is their ability to communicate pass off receivers to one another in their coverages, and so getting Cheeto back is going

to be a big value for these guys. But LV, I'm with Isaiah on that man when it comes down to the neck injury that he already had dealing with the broken collar bone, where is his confidence? Where is his mental Is he going to be the wolf hunter like we know him to be with those injuries? So I'm kind of on the part sign of caution with that, especially with the Phoenix game. But I know going into some of our NFC East games that we're gonna have after this, he would be an added addition to to

the defense. Yeah, with the cars coming up, I mean you've got Kenyan Drake, You've got even Chase Edmonds in the backfield. These are two guys that I know we'll talk about here and just a little bit that you're gonna have to keep an eye on. But really the containment problem is Kyler Murray. And I think whenever you have both LV and Jaln Smith and let's throw Joe Thomas in there, if Joe Thomas wants to see playing time, I think he's earned a little bit of a rotation

into that linebacking course. So I think overall, having Layton vander esh Rob is going to free up your defense in order to allow them to be successful against Kyler Murray and in containment. Right, Yeah, And I absolutely I had a question for Isaiah on that subject. As I'm hearing myself talk, I think you're on the line the phone, you got the phone and you're being open. Then okay, I just muted myself. Sorry, guys, I'm all over the

place today, That's all right, Vanderesh, Yeah, you're right. I think in terms of you know, when he's health and Isaiah's right, you gotta be ready for him one hundred percent, one hundred and ten percent. You don't want him to reinjure that collarbone. They're not gonna put him out there until that happens. I think that puts everybody back in their spot. You know, if you put him back in middle linebacker, he's calling the defense. I think that does

free of Jalen Smith some. But I had a question for Isaiah in terms of we talked about spies QB spies with Russell Wilson a couple of weeks ago, and I'm just watching the tape of Kyler. Is that even more of a need this week? Because I mean they just run straight draws with him, design draws where he's you know, he's not even thinking about an option to throw, and what do you do with that? Can you do that? At least some of the time. Yeah, I'm not a

fan of it against this type of quarterback. Like for instance, like when I played a quarterback in college, right, teams will spy me and I would look forward to it, right, And when I when I knew a team was gonna try to spy me, actually got excited because I only have to beat one man and that that first guy's not going to get me. So, I mean, when you when you have that confidence, like like I'm sure that

Kyler Murray has, it's almost like a joke. It's like Are you serious you think this one dude's gonna stop me. So whenever you spy like that, you're you're playing man to man coverage, right, So if you're playing man to man coverage, then you have one guy sticking Kyler Murray. Then you really have no man sticking Kyler Murray because you need two guys at least to bring this guy down. So, um, I think you have to mix it in there. But I think you mix it in there along with your zone.

So you play a basis on defense whether there's cover three, cover four, cover two, and then you have to bring I would bring in a nickel defender depending on whatever personnel they have, or extra dB to spy him. You don't spy him with a linebacker. Please don't spy him with a linebacker. Bring an extra guy in from the secondary whose agiles all get out like a brown, like a number thirty. Bring a Brown in and spy him. He has a quickness to really be able to be

agile enough to stick with Kyler Murray. Yeah. I when while going back and watching their games, especially against the Lions, they did a really good job of that, bringing in a defensive back to to do a lot of spying on him because they do the read option and they know that they have the ability one on one with Kyler Murray that he can get out in a hurry and those design draws that he goes on. But it's it's almost like a repeat of the Seattle game because

of their skill set as quarterbacks. So the Dallas Cowperls are definitely going to have to stay gap sound and make sure they get up the field. And another thing, because of his height on those passes, get their hands up. He likes to get out of the pocket to see the field because man, when he's standing amongst those trees,

he can't see his receivers. That's a great point because I think early one of the they got down early against I guess it was Carolina and it was a tip pass for a pick and they kept him in the pocket and forced him to try to see over the trees, like you said. So that's that's that's key. Gotta get your hands up and get your hands on some balls and Kyler Murray will turn the football over. I mean, this is this is another guy who coming in leads the league and turnovers whenever. He's got six

interceptions and eight touchdown passes so far. Sure he has a little bit more offensive success than maybe a Daniel Jones did last week, but he will give you a couple opportunities to take it away. Now, Isaiah, whenever you talk about using a player out of the secondaries seemingly Anthony Brown to come in and spy Kyler Murray, is that something? And this might be the question that really might no one in this entire defensive staff has to

look at going forward. But are we able to do that in the secondary whenever we have to cover weapons like DeAndre Hopkins, Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk out there as well. I think so. I think we have enough. We have We definitely have enough guys in the secondary to fulfill all those spots. You know, you have to take care of your most threatening positions, right and d

hop obviously is number one. And then you go to Fitzgerald because you definitely can't look past a Hall of famer who decides to keep playing for forty seven years. He's still effective. But then you have to be able to you have to keep an eye on Kyler Murray because if you focus primarily on those guys, then you're

gonna get beat. I know he faces a problem along and to say a problem, but he's challenged every week, and with people having the same ideologies that were just spoken spoken upon to say, hey, just stay, just keep him in the pocket and make him throw. He's going to continue to become a better passer, and I think he's kind of evolving that way. He just has to do away with some of those silly, silly decisions to toss the ball up in the area from time to time.

Once he becomes more strategic and and protects the ball better. I don't think he has an issue sitting in a pocket and throwing the rock. But you can't. You can't sit in there and just play zone against him because these receivers are too good and our deepen as a line hasn't presented a problem in terms of pressure, so that doesn't really do anything for you. So you have to try to find a way to add add some

kind of pressure and make him uncomfortable back there. But when you do so, you have to take one of those guys away from coming and blitzing on him because you need somebody to watch him. So it's it's a he presents a lot of problems man, he really does. Um. And I could tell you, you know, as a former quarterback who was pretty mobile, you know, you look forward to those teams that, like I said, that they are going to try to find a way to stop you.

It's almost, um it's a it's a challenge. It's a direct challenge, and it's almost hysterical when you get out there. So he's got these guys got to strap up. You're right in that. Uh, he's a he's an accurate deep ball thrower. And you know he struggled against you know, the Carolina game where they had a two game losing streak. He struggled in that game and I think he only averaged like four yards an attempt but or completion. But um, he took some deep shots and he and they just missed.

And and I think you know when they when they single up in man coverage and played you know, one single high safety there, they'll take some chances down field. Now, Kyle, you mentioned Christian Kirk, and that's another Aggie I've watched a lot. I felt like when he came out, he's a guy that you know, may not make a Pro Bowl in his career, but he's gonna play for ten

years and he's going to be successful. And you know, like Isaiah said, if you tried to zone up and play soft, he's a guy if you watch on tape, he's gonna find holes on crossing routes and beat you that way. So they really do have a nice receiving corps and receivers that are willing to block for each other in the running game and downfield. It's it's a it's a it's a good versatile UH set of skill

players they got. And when you talk about Christian Kirk specifically, I mean, this is a guy who beats you and for Cowboys fans to make it easy. He beats you a lot of the same ways as see the Lamb beats defense. It goes to the open space, uses his speed. I'm not saying he does it as efficiently as see thee Lamb Seede. Lamb has been one of the better receivers in the NFL, A doing so so far this season. However, Christian Kirk does it a lot of the same way

and not as much. But he's somebody that finds open space. And you talk about Larry Fitzgerald, this is an interesting stat that I was looking up a couple of weeks ago, and he just happened to be at the top of the list when you talk about receivers who have had at least one reception in each game of in a row, each consecutive game. He's had two hundred and forty eight straight games with a reception in the NFL that dates back to November seventh, two thousand and four. Yeah, boy

was eight years old. I was eight years old the last time that Larry Fitzgerald swaddled did not. So the next closest one in that streak, by the way, is Julio Jones, and he's had one hundred and twenty one games without or with a reception that dates back to twenty eleven. And so you talk about doubling more than doubling. The second place of terms of wide receivers with the reception, Larry Fitzgerald is the quote the definition of consistency. And

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from the Star in Frisco. Glad you're with us on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Kyle Yeoman's Rob Phillips, Heck Maharrison, the Great Isaiah stand back and guys, we can we continue to preview and break down this Cardinals offense, which undoubtedly is the strength of their team, but we'll preview the defense tomorrow. They've got some strengths over there as well.

One of them was just taken away though. Breaking news this morning, Chandler Jones, the linebacker who really has been one of the best in the league and a very underrated player in terms of his production on that side of the football, is out for the season to have surgery on a bicep injury that he sustained in that

Week five win over the New York Jets. For those Arizona Cardinals and Chandler Jones out for the rest of the season, so the Cowboys do have to play in around not having him on the other side of the football, or at least they don't have to see him on the other side of the football. So that's something that's positive and not positive. You never want that to happen.

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But guys, whenever it talk, whenever you come to talk about this offense, the receivers are where you start. Of course, the DeAndre Hopkins trade that happened in March and really kind of caught the NFL by storm, and you pair up DeAndre Hopkins with a Kyler Murray and Isaiah I know you you've been watching the film. We did a film study breakdown yesterday. It's not just the fact that DeAndre Hopkins is a great football player, but Cliff kings

he puts him in some tough situations for defenses to read. Yeah, this dude is creative, man. Um. I mean yeah, I don't know where he's at. It reminds me of the coach from the Water Boy who had that little, that little green book and was just drawing up just craziness. That's what That's what. That's what I think Kingsbury's doing. Man. He's yeah, he's just man. They're drawing up whatever he wants. Man, these guys are they They're seemingly in some kind of

altered pistol formation majority of the game. And they have a you know, Kyle Murray's five yards deep, the tailback seven yards deep and offset, Um, the tight end is offset the ball. He's offset and off the ball about three yards um. They're running motion, They're running fly sweeps, are running all kinds of stuff. Man. I mean, this is this is tough. This is tough, just even just

from the look standpoint. Um. And I don't think that our defense has done a great job this year in terms of lining up um, the teams that that we've probably done the best with. You know, pretty much he's lined up and came at you. But you know we're gonna have these guys are gonna have to communicate. They're gonna test our defense. And we keep talking about communication.

They're going to test our defense pre snap in terms of communication, and then post snap they're gonna have to find where they heck their assignments, right, because these guys are all over the place. Yeah, I said, you hit it with that, man, Because when I think about the Arizona Cardinals, they remind me a lot of the Rams in terms of their formations. Now, Kingsbury coach Kingsbury does a lot of formations. But when I look at this game and I just draw emphasis on something that this

defense needs to stop immediately, and that's Kenyan Drake. The running game has been our Achilles Hill and just our inability to just get that stop. We did a little bit of We did a better job last week in the second half of slowing down Freeman, but Kenyan Drake is one of those running backs that he just gets

better as the game goes along. Now, as far as their receivers are concerned, for me, Isabella, guys like Kurt, those possession receivers, they just keep the chains moving and the Cowboys from historically, and I don't need to just keep recapping the fact that we've been bad on defense and our inability to communicate and see guys running down the field Scott Free. I think this game gives me a lot more worry because of just recognizing their formation.

So you know, it's gonna be a lot of assignment and making sure that you're playing in your area. But this is gonna be another big test for the Dallas Cowboys defense. Yeah, you guys are right. I mean, I don't know how many times Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan have talked about like pre snap alignment and making sure before the snap we got everything, we're all squared away. And there's been games where they've been good at it, and there's been games where they've been really not good

at it. So it's absolutely that's huge. This week you mentioned Kenyan Drake Heck and Chase Edmonds is a guy they kind of sprinkle into, and not only in the running game, but kind of Tony Pollard like in terms of skills in the passing game too. You might see him together in the backfield, you might see one of

them split out. Uh, you guys, I said, You're right, they're They're really creative, and uh, you know, I'm curious to see from a pass rush standpoint what they do because you know, Bucky Brooks wrote about this on the website yesterday. He thinks they need a blitz more and they did blitz more in the second half against Daniel Jones and had success. But can you do that in this game against these wide receivers, you think so, Yeah,

I think you have to. I think you I think I defense because of how bad they've been, they're sitting ducks if they try and play it any other way. Mike Nolan has got to dial up some pressure. And you saw what we were able to do with Tank and getting that strip sack Um and Anthony Brown is right there as well. We have to do it. If we sit back our defense, our secondary isn't good enough to just sit back in those zones and cover of guys.

We have to dial up some pressure. And it's to the point like if we start saying, okay, our defensive front has to get pressure, well, we hadn't seen that, man, And so it's hard to continue to ask for something that you're not getting otherwise. Man, it's gonna have to be on those secondary blisses. So I hear you, guys, I hear you, um. And I keep thinking about this from the perspective of what I was in college, because I was I was pretty dog on mobile and I

had an arm as well. And can we talk about thinking about the mindset that I had. That's the third time that Isaiah has called himself mobile in college, and I just want to point that out that well, I mean his facts. You know, I'm kind of kind of. I'm just alluding to the mindset. Right when you're going to a game like this, you want to think you teams that teams that want to blitch you. I'm just telling you man kind of Murray's mindset. Teams that blitch you.

Guess they might get lucky a couple of times, but majority of the time, I'm gonna make you pay. Right, I'm going to make you pay. And it's one thing if I don't have receivers that can beat man coverage, but guess what they do. Right, So if you decide to blitz and I make that guy miss, now guess what. Now you're vulnerable. Right now, you're vulnerable. And either I'm gonna take off and I'm gonna run for sixteen and

twenty yards like Kyler Murray did. We showed it on the film room, or or I'm gonna throw this thing up and I got a man a man coverage with Larry Fitzgerald or freaking d hop are you kidding me? We don't have guys if you guard either one of those guys man to man, let's be so. I mean, so you can't you can't, though, chimp, you know you can't just sit back. No, no, no, it wait on it to come to you. And I'm not what I'm talking about it from a situational awareness stand I'm saying

thirty sixteen right, third and sixteen. Yeah, it's all right. I'm not mix it, mix it in in there. Yeah. No, I'm not saying to sit back and never blitz. But I'm saying, don't let that be. Don't be the Seahawks versus you know, versus the Cowboys when they blitz, you know, Jamal Adams eight times on the first drive, like, don't be that because we can't. We can't, we can't guard it, we can't we can't play defense like that. Um. But just know that you want to be very careful about

how you blitz and where you blitz from. If you're going to blitz, blitz internally, right, blitz up the middle, bring bring bring us secondary guys one of our dvs up the middle, bring you know, across dog these things with our middle linebackers. Do it that way. Don't come from the outside because you're gonna pay. And another thing, this is going to be the most challenging game as we talk about l V not being president and what

he brings to his team. Jalen Smith is going to be challenged more than he's ever been challenged mentally in this game, being for the same reasons that we just talked about. He's responsible for the alignment of our defense, and if he doesn't get these guys aligned properly, oh my gosh, there's gonna be some big players going up

going to other direction. Now whenever he comes to what you're kind of just talking about it and you're you're, you're, you're, you're being situational with your blitzes, Isaiah, the question popped in my head, and I think I know your answer to this, But which one would you rather forced to beat you? Would you rather force Kyler Murray to beat you with his legs or Kyler Murray to beat you with his arm and finding his weapons like a DeAndre Hopkins, I'll live and die by his arm. I'll live and

die by his arm. And and that was the most challenging thing, you know, I'd rather, I'd rather have God, I'd rather try to instill some former confidence in my d line and say we need you guys this game, like we are not going to be successful. Unlet you guys go that's the challenge I'm putting on our defensive line. Hey, you know d Law, Griff, you know all you guys. I need you guys to ball out. If you guys don't ball out, we're not going to be successful. I

need to see what you guys have. And we're gonna drop seven. We're gonna drop eight, and we say that's this, that's where we're gonna do because we have to be

able to stop these guys. Now, if he decides to take off running, guess what, we have somebody in there to watch him, and we're gonna keep containment right, but we're gonna force him to be an accurate passenger because, like you said, Kyle, you might have sixty seventy players on offense from the cardinal standpoint, but he's gonna give you those two to three times where you can pick him off right, and you just have to continue to

be predictive on offense. But you can wait him out until he decides that he gets impatient if he doesn't have anybody to throw the ball too, and if he can't get and he can't get out the pocket, guess what, there's a little thing called frustration that kind of tests starts settling in right, and when you have, when you get little bit frustrated as a quarterback, you start taking risks. You start saying, dang it, these guys aren't open. So I'm I'm gonna force the ball in here. I got

a cannon. I could get the ball in there. You can't sometimes, or I guess what, I'm gonna trying to throw it over the head. I got some dudes out there that can go up and make plays. My guys are better than their guys. Okay, let's see right, And then that's when you start having these mistakes happening, and that's where you take advantage. Go ahead, I'm sorry, Ron, I'm sorry. Now he's got six picks on the year, and he will chuck it up, you know, if if

he's in a in a forced outside the pocket. He's got faith in his receivers and he's got faith in his arm, and he will throw it up there. So we'll see. I was I like the way the Panthers played him. They they played a lot of you know, too deep and then said okay, well we'll just take away the short stuff, or we'll give you the stuff. We're gonna take away the deep ball and he had one hundred and thirty three yards on like thirty one attempts. Now, part of that is they had a fourteen nothing lead

to play with early. So it kind of goes back again to can the Cowboys not turn over the ball, get a lead and allow your pass rush to tee off where they're not having to guess what type of balanced attack the Cardinals might might face. So it's part of the offense too to keep put the defense in the right situations to tee off. But but I just gotta say, this guy's like Isaiah, you bring up a valid point, but all of the things that you're appointing

to we haven't done. So if Colin Murray is capable of turning the ball over, we're lasting the NFL and turnover differential. That's just not what we're doing. As far as uh setting the edge, I think we have tape on us not being able to set the edge. So this this is the week, obviously to get all of

those things together. If if Colin Murray is going to sit back and we're going to force feed DeAndre Hopkins, then let's do it the same way like you saw the Carolina Panthers with two safeties high, giving up short, not allowing anything deep. But you know, Kylo will force feed the ball into DeAndre Hopkins and first ballot Hall of Famer Larry Fitzgerald. I'm not saying that he's a

decoy at this point in his career. It's not that he's not the guy that I'm as worried about as I am with Kirk and some of the other guys, and also with Redman the running back, Edmund the running back out of the backfield, and so there's so much there that we know this is the way to beat this team. This is how you doll up pressure, get in those passing lanes, get in a shorter guy's face to make him throw some of those errand throws. But we hadn't seen that all years. So I agree with

you and the fact that we haven't seen it. But guess what, my expectation doesn't change. Yeah, you're still a professional athlete. You're still you're still getting paid money. Huh do you think they'll running reverse on us this week? Dang it, why did you have to do that? Listen, it's a bell I hear you, and listen, Guys in position to make plays there's just better athletes running around them. But this defensive line, like I said, they have to

be called out. Nolan and Dogan McCarthy have to come out and say, you boys better start playing or guess what. This is the rotation. This is the first D line, this is the second D line, this is the third D line. Whoever's the most effective. I'm rotating you guys out every series. If you guys don't ball out on the first on the first series, guess what these young

bucks are coming in here. Oh and by the way, we have a dude coming off coming off a suspension here in another week, in the name of Randy Gregor, who's gonna be hungry for some playing time as well. So d Law, don't show up if you want to. You're gonna get your check this year, but if I take you off the field, it's gonna affect your money next year. So you might want to start thinking about making some plays. And Kyle's ready for fifty six to

come in any minute. So yeah, Bradley and I yeah, Bradley, and I account I'm great. I do want to I do want to point out I think over the last ten minutes or so in this conversation. I think we're all three in agreeance or all four in agredeans started with Isaiah saying, you have to rush three, get some push out of the pass for us, drop eight, and

force Kyler Murray to beat it with your arm. Rob said, that's what Carolina did, held Kyler Murray to one hundred and thirty three yards, and really that's a blueprint to stop Kyler Murray. And Matt Rule and Phil Snow figured it out in Carolina. That's what Matt Ruling Phil Snow were known for, even down the road at Baylor, rushing three, dropping eight and forcing you to beat you with your arm because they're gonna find a way to get things done or they want to let it, let you beat

you with your legs rather. And then you have Heckma saying we haven't seen that yet. We haven't seen the blueprint. Friend happened yet. It all kind of comes together and hopefully that's the same thing that they're seeing across the hallway, and the Cowboys can slow down Kyler Murray this week because it's a tough task, no matter if they're gonna run a reverse on us or not. Heck but I don't I think it's gonna be tough either either way

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talking about how to contain Kyler Murray. And that's the question that I think thirty one NFL defenses are having the same conundrum about. Is how to slow down Kyler Murray in this offense led by the former Oklahoma star and for a little bit of time, former Texas and star rob But I don't know if you feel about Kyler Murray. It's just a little bit of time. But continue to put pressure on the defensive line to perform, and they haven't performed, just like Heckma alluded to a

moment ago. But Heckma, whenever it comes to the defensive line, is it the most important that you have a guy like DeMarcus Lentz and Alden Smith that have the best games of the year against the guy like Kyler Murray. Of course, And I think it goes back to what Isaiah saying earlier is that you have to have a bunch of guys in coverage to off those passing you know, get in the way getting those passing lanes, uh Colin Murray.

So it's important that we have a defensive line that's being up the field and also getting pressure also, you know internally, Terry Pole, Look, we got to have a coming out party for this guy at some point where we see that he can actually stop some guys that max it. Hopefully it made the plays, uh do something, But it's gonna be on our four. Our guys have to get some pressure on this on this quarterback without relegating one of our ebings to be obviously being a

sire or something like that. You would like to see it because when you look at the games that they lost, we have to put into context also that the Cardinals are two and two and the teams that they three and two, the teams that they've beaten, I wouldn't say are are a bunch of your giants, but they were not or upper echelon teams pretty bad too, well, that's what I'm saying. So that's that's what I mean, pretty bad.

So let's just talk about the fact that these guys, the losses that they had versus Carolina and also short, they did a really good job getting pressure on him with just the interior guys. So that's the print to getting it done for our defense ISAC absolutely and go ahead? ISAC no? I mean, I mean, heck, hit on it. I don't think d Law and you know, and all of our defensive ends, I don't think that they're really

key to this game. It's really internal when you're when you're facing a mobile quarterback, you you need because this is what happens if you're If you're a mobile quarterback, you have ability to get out the pocket and run and throw. If a defensive end running up the field, that does nothing for me. All I'm gonna do is step up and step out right, um and I'm gone.

I mean that guy that I'm by you. Um. Where you face issues if you're defensive ends, bull rush, If your defensives bullrush and they push those tas back down on top of you. Now you're squeezing the pocket. And now you're squeezing. Now you're restricting my area. But when guys just blow up the field, you're just out of my view. I'll just slide up the pocket and I slide out and I take off running. When you have internal pressure from your inside, guys, this is where our

challenges right. We need gripping to come in there and present pressure on the inside. We need po to be po be the old po not the new po. We need the old po okay um, and we need the pressure up the middle. Even if he just held the fort, come on, man, hold the fort. That pressure and the inside is causes issues. So if you have a bull pressure, or if you guys are defensive ends, squeeze the edges and you have some form of inside pressure at all. Now I guess what. Now I'm restricted. No, I can't

go anywhere. I don't have anywhere to go. Now I have to do that big you know, Wilson spin out, big bow out. I lose seven yards just to get my eyes down the field. Right, But if you oh buy me, Now I get to keep my step and step up one steps out And now I guess what.

I'm five yards behind A nine trimmage is said at twelve. Yeah, that's that whole keep them in the pocket, keep them in the well thing that Rod Marriley kept talking about with Russell William It's kind of the same concept exactly what I was gonna say, Isaiah, because that middle rush is so important to me. It can quarterback more than than huge pressure because of because you can't step up, you're not comfortable, and these design draws that they run.

He's signing increases between the tackles. They've got to be discipline. They've got to be able to get to push and not have their tackles washed out of the play like we've seen in the running game, particularly also in the pass rush. They've they've got to be able to be more productive inside. That's that we kept harping on it yesterday for good reason. I mean, you've lost now, you've lost two defensive tackles for the season, and they've got to be able to adjust with the rotation they have.

And those internal guys also before he gets going, you can't can't avoid the a gaps, internal guys. You can't take those internal guys and make them rush outside into the bee gaps and the sea gaps and try to run those. You can't run a te stone, right. You have to keep those guys in the gaps because if those those gap void is just like what Colin I

shoot on the film room yesterday. As soon as I see that that gap void right in front of me and my eyes as I'm dropping back, I'm gone gone, I mean, And then with four three speed you get ten yards in no time, right, and then move the chains slide, get up, let's go back in the huddle, Let's move his chains. Yeah, that's his specialty, that's what he loves to do. And once he sees that that red seas, he's out of there. And you guys specifically make a great point about the interior rush, but also

let's the linebackers man Joe Thomas and Jalen Smith. Jaylen Smith has to have a repeat of the last game because Kenyan, Drake Edmonds, these guys are going to be in those screen situations. Teams are going to continue to attack us in things that we haven't yet stopped, and so we're gonna see these things repeating themselves over and over and over again. And they have the running backs that are capable to do that. So Joe Thomas and

Jalen Smith also have to show up. And I know in the past we've been seeing anytime there's been a motion, you'll see Jalen Smith kind of interchange with Joe Thomas, and I believe that's just a strong side weak side kind of a deal. But against the Giants, you saw them go away from that, okay and just kind of slide over where Jalen was the mike and Joe was

the was the will. So all of those little things that they're doing, I don't know if it's just simplifying the defense, but it's working all right, So continue to do that and don't give Kyla Murray the red seat. These running backs are they provide different Yeah, it did. And I saying these running backs to your point, these running backs are totally different styles and backs, two totally different style backs. And then they got two different sized guys.

You got you know, you got a six one guy, you got like a five ten guy who's still stout right. You got Edmonds, um, and then you gotta who is it um? I can't even think right, a drake. And you got one physical back, you got one little little little scat back and they're both productive. So you can't you can't forget about those guys either. And you know they're gonna test us. You know they're gonna test that

part of the game. And if they get that part of the game going good and its gracious, this is the Yeah, you know it's gonna be a it's gonna

be a challenge. The by the way, the over under we're not betting men here, but the over under is at fifty four and a half, and if I had to put a couple, uh couple fake quarters on that one, I would probably say the wow, probably say the over pretty quickly there, because both these teams are gonna put up some points and we're gonna talk about the offensive sign of the football tomorrow when it comes to the Cowboys having to score on Patrick Peterson, Buddha Baker and

this Cardinals defense. No Chandler Jones once again, that was the breaking news today. He's out for the season with a bicep injury, so he is not in the equation for that Cardinals defense tomorrow. But we're gonna talk about how Andy Dalton, Zeke Elliott in this entire offense for the Dallas Cowboys can defeating the Cardinals on the offensive side of the football when we come back tomorrow. But

that's gonna do it today. For Heckor Harrison, for Rob Phillips, for Isaiah Stanback, I'm Kyle Yomen special thanks to Chris Beam in the back. Thanks for listening to Talking Cowboys. We'll see you at nine thirty tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.