Talkin' Cowboys: Talkin' Draft & Staff

Walls not accounted for. He is cruising. He's on a super Bowl cruise this week. He told me the other day it's the first time since nineteen ninety one that he's gone on a cruise. Wow, so lay days. Yeah, that's right, back when he was at a super Bowl in nineteen ninety one, I think, celebrating a super Bowl. That's exactly right. And so you've got me, Bill Jones, You've got Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's is here filling in for Wally Pip. Yes, just pulled out of the bullpen.

That's right. Yeah, you are talking Cowboys family, right, You're just next door on the other side of the wall normally. And yes, you are Wally Pipping Mickey Speckmullman today. You think Mickey will be Wally Pip today? He could be never know, may not be back after this week. He's skiing right now. That would that would be tough shoes to fill, though, I mean Mickey, maybe not the altagonists shoes to fill. That's true. You know, am I gonna have to You don't want to? Yeah, you don't want

to fill those shoes. You'll just be you and grunt a lot. And yeah, I don't know, right he's skiing right now. I think so. He might not want to come back and a cruise and those are the excuses that we've had to miss this show, that's right. What are we doing? Pretty good? Yeah, it's not bad. Someone's got to hold down the fort and we've got a lot to get to over the course of the next forty five minutes. And we got to make it forty five minutes because I gotta be somewhere at twelve thirty.

Now you got TV duties. It's actually an appointment I've got at twelve thirty. This really is the offseason. Is half of our staff is gone. It is what it is. Yeah, that's right, and it's Super Bowl week of course in Miami. We had an opportunity yesterday Rob and Kyle. Were you both involved in meeting the assistant coaches? Just you Rob? I think it was just Rob, just Rob. Okay. We got to get reports on that. Yeah, that was interesting.

I mean it's a large list of guys, and a lot of them have been reported on, but the Cowboys made it official yesterday and it's you know, upwards of twenty assistant coaches maybe a little bit over that that Mike McCarthy has hired, and a lot of them knew. I mean, I think there's three holdover verse when you talk about Kellen Moore as the OC, Doug nuss Meyer moving from tight ends to quarterbacks, and then Leon Lett as an assistant defensive line coach, and Marcus Paul taking

over strength and conditioning. But other than that, I think it's I think it's an entirely new staff and a largely experienced staff filled with guys that McCarthy truss and I think both those things are pluses. And Kyle, you just passed the first test here filling in for Mickey. You did not get distracted by the tour group that

came by, and typically Mickey gets distracted by that. Oh well usually, I mean I've posted a couple shows in here before and so the tour group at the beginning, it's kind of weird because you feel like a fish in the fish bowl. You just don't want them to knock on the glass. You did a good, good job Therecky and getting distracted. He literally does it every time, every single time. Yeah, I try and switch the camera

off of it whenever he does do that. But talking about the coaching staff, I mean, I think David Hellman tweeted it out yesterday, over a hundred and sixty five years of coaching experience between the new staff, and you look at some of the names like a Mike Nolan and guys like that Tom Sula on the defensive side, and it just kind of it stands out. It stands out,

maybe more so than we've seen in the past. And it's been really impressive to see McCarthy and what he's been able to do and kind of a short period of time of being able to go out find not only experienced guys, but guys who he knows that can bring something special to the table and something unique to the table in their own individualities. This has come together quickly and the last time the Cowboys went through this a real search, if you want to call it this

as search. I mean they interviewed a couple of guys. Wade Phillips and Bill Parcels didn't step down till Senior Bowl week, and I don't think it was that late. It was because they've had a playoff game. It's a wildcard game in Seattle, and then he took another week after that, that's for sure. Yeah, and it's stunned Jerry. I think Jerry was expecting Bill to go on that trip and be back for a fifth season in Dallas, and it didn't happen. He wanted to step down and retire,

and he did, at least from coaching. Um Skip Pete is on the staff now is running backs coach. I got to visit with him a little bit, and I think he was hired to Wade staff like mid February that year. Everything and which you know, it speaks I think to McCarthy's relationships around in the league and guys that want to coach for him. I mean another guy they hired recently in the last few days, George Edwards

a senior defensive assistant. That's another guy with experience. I mean, he hasn't been a head coach in the league, but he was Mike Zimmer's coordinator defensively for the last six years and he's coming on just in kind of a wherever you need help role. Um it's an impressive stare so yes, and it's a relatively young linebackers coach and Scott McCurley, and so that's that's exactly what they needed there.

Edwards coop can be alongside that role. That's a good point because that's that's he got into coaching here, coaching dat Win and Coachley and those guys. Well, you look at some of the experience up at the top, but then you've also got a mixture of some solid young guys. I mean you mentioned McCurley, Calamore is only in his second year, and then you've got Matt Daniels in a second year, Doug must Meyer in a second year with

tight ends. Now he's had seventeen years in college. But at the same time you've got two years there for nuss Meyer. But you mentioned this a second ago and you said, hey, he's not a head coach referring to one of the guys just hired. But there are four former head coaches or at least interim head coaches, Yeah,

on this staff. And I think that stands out to, like you said, the way that McCarthy has kind of built those relationships over the course of his tenure in the league, and kind of the respect that I think the league has for Mike McCarthy, and it shows off in the way that he's able to hire high talented

guys like that. And of course those guys starting with Mike Nolan, the defensive coordinator, who was, of course, was the head coach with the forty nine ers and in fact hired Mike McCarthy as his offensive coordinator back in oh five, oh six, whatever year that was, uh, and then he was McCarthy was there for one year before he became the head coach of the Packers. Jim tom Sula was I don't know if you were here the week I was telling my little story about tom Sula

in the NFL Europe. This was no tell it fifteen years ago four I think I think it was the two thousand and four offseason. I did a couple of NFL Europe games in Germany. It was the Rhine Fire. No, it was the Berlin Thunder versus the Cologne Centurions. How hard were those names to pronounce? Well, there are American players, so never mind. I thought you would have some Keith Davis,

former Cowboys safety and played for the Berlin Thunder. Yeah, yeah, But anyway, Jim tom Sula was the defensive coordinator for the Berlin Thunder I believe it was Berlin. Then he spent many years coaching in NFL Europe, and but I was really struck by him. He was the one guy that I met because I did a couple of Berlin Thunder games. One was in Cologne and the other was in Berlin, one with with Steve Berlin and the other with Lincoln Kennedy where the analysts and they were just

getting their break in into broadcasting. But anyway, just talking to tom Sula, he's hilarious, right, He's hilarious. He's got an unbelievable personality in which which he showed yesterday he does not want to be interviewed. In fact, he said during the course of the interview, he said, what I'm focused on more than anything. Is not cussing, just don't cuss. Yeah right, But anyway, but what was where I was

impressed with him was his work ethic. I mean, this is a guy, I believe at the time, in the fall he was a coach at Little Kataba College c ata WBA, Okay, and the spring he would go over to NFL Europe and coach in NFL Europe, and so he would. He was a year round coach. I mean he was coaching football games year round, you know, in

the fall and in the spring. And so it wasn't surprising that just a couple of years after that he was hired on Mike Nolan's staff with the San Francisco forty nine ers and uh and then he none and after Nolan was let go and Harbaugh took over, Hardball kept him on and then when Harbaugh left, Tom Sula became the head coach of the forty nine ers for

a year, Yeah, for a year. And as as he admits his his his deal is he is a roll up his sleeve guy and get to work, getting his hand in the dirt, you know, as Whitton would put it, U that type guy. And so I'm very impressed with him. Uh, you know, Joe Philbin was the head coach of the Dolphins. Who's the other one that I'm missing that had head coaching experience. Oh fo fossil As was Yeah, so um, and that's that's another guy. I mean, he came from

his father, coach of the Giants for several years. But I think he started coaching out out coaching in New Mexico Highlands, some Mexico Islands, the Cowboys, some tiny school and getting paid nothing and has built his way. And this look relatively quick amount of time too, I think, because I think he was at New Mexico Highlands in

like two thousand, two thousand and one whatever. Yeah, and he became he got when once he started becoming a special teams coordinator in this league, he very quickly got a reputation as being one of the top special teams coaches in the league. Rick Goslin loves him, and of course Rick Goslin does the special teams rankings every year. What does he say about him, Oh, he just you know, Goslin's that's his deal. He studies special teams and well it's now it does help when you're the Rams special

teams coach. Well, he was the Raiders special teams coach, and it does help when you have Janikowski and Shane Leckler, Okay, sure during your time there, I think it was four years there, and then since then, Greg Zerline came into the league the same year Fossil was with the came to the Rams, and Hecker was the punter and came into the league of the same time. And it does help when you have Zerline and Hecker got to rank

high on Goslin dranking. It does because because you know, beyond that, with the coverage units and everything, you don't really get to pick your players. When you're the special

teams coach. It's it's you, it's what the roster is, and you have to work with what you've got To that point, think about where the Cowboys are with special teams and obviously as far as the coverage units and everything, it was not good and last year and the year before, and but think about where they are as far as a place kicker, and even Chris Jones is getting up there in years now as the punter too, and so it's going to be a very interesting the player acquisition

aspect of this, And a lot of people say, yeah, well, you got to bring Kai for Bath back now. But you know it's still a small sample that for and it was a perfect sample in his month here, in the last month of the season. But there's gonna be some competition. Is that a bigger big enough sample size to be confident enough to bring him back and to put him back on a roster, Well, it's I think it also depends on what's out there. I think it's

enough to bring him back, but with competition. Yeah, And they signed Tristan vi Kano to a futures deal last week, which doesn't preclude them from bringing back a Kai four Bath or somebody. I would imagine they bring a veteran in for competition, but I think that's probably what they want at this point, maybe create some competition and find the best guy. They stuck with Maher longer than they should have. I don't think there's any question about that.

I don't know if it really costs them games, but it certainly made things more difficult. And Bill's right, I mean there's gonna be change, not just in players, but scheme wise. You know, the special teams are going to change under Fossil. The defensive scheme we can get into that it's going to change here, whether it's even if it's a four man line in base, whatever you know you want to call it. I like the hybrid aspect of that, the potential hybrid aspect of defense. Get the

best players you can get your hands on. And that's what no One said yesterday in open locker room. He said, Hey, let's put the best eleven men out there. It doesn't matter if it's gonna be a four three or three to four. That's just your person Sometimes if you're in a three four, you might want to stand somebody up or put your hand in the ground and make it

a four three hybrid like that. So I like that answer from Nolan yesterday and what he was able to do kind of just talking about, hey, it doesn't matter, let's put the best guys on the field. I love it. I more than like it. I love it so much because it's especially with as much change personnel wise as you could have on defense, why try to step in and immediately say this is what we do and we

got to find players fit. I mean, he's coached in multiple different types of defenses, so might as well just go get players and figure out what you're gonna do. Plus the Patriots and other teams, we're seeing more multiple defensive league is evolved that way over the last decade. I mean, and you've had to the league has had to evolve defensively like that because of what's happening on

the offensive side of the ball. The trickle up effect of what's happened, you know, the college game has infiltrated the NFL. I mean, it was a high school to college and college to the NFL. And you know, he saw it with the Saints a lot this year, which were no was the linebackers coach this past year where their two edge rushers they would put them on the same side a lot, you know. And you know the Packers did that with the Smith so to speak, brothers,

you know. And I think that's that's the way you got to go about your business now in this league. Got to be able to adjust. And in the past, at least under Marin Elliot was hey, you you're a scheme guy. You're a scheme fit. And now it's parcels go back. Yeah, yeah, that's right for I mean, he had the prototype going back to the eighties and probably when he was at Texas tech in the seventies. These are this is who I get for this position, the

prototype player that's going to fit into our scheme. And now you look at it and said, hey, let's just let's just ball. Let your players play. And the Latry days, I mean the flex defense. I mean, there were certain roles that each player had in his front seven. And isn't it kind of reflective of what you see on the offensive side of the ball with this college style of play, kind of infiltrating the NFL and saying, let's let your baller's ball. Let's let's throw Lamar Jackson out

there and let him do what he does best. Let's adjust to Patrick Mahomes. And you see where that got the Chiefs. I mean, it seems like the defensive side is kind of starting to adjust a league wide way, saying, hey, let's let's get to that point where we can put our best eleven men on the field, not necessarily worry about schemes and fits and let that work. It's what

It's magic, no surprise. But the Pats are kind of at the forefront of that right now, because I mean we watched them, we covered them for a week last year, this past season trying to match up with the Cowboys what they were doing. Their top defensive linemen are basically linebackers and some packages where you've got guys who can rush and cover and do all those things. More athleticism across the field to try to Kyle's point, to match which you got on the other side of the field

with different types of offenses. So, you know, I think you had that with the Patriots even going back to previous decade with Willie mcguinnis who you know, yeah, and Bruskie who is a defensive end coming out of college, but they continued that. I guess it was in twenty eleven when High Tower came out and I loved him coming out of the draft for the Cowboys, even after

Sean Lee was drafted the previous year. And one of the reasons was in that Alabama three to four defense, he was used either as an inside backer sometimes as a rush end as well Courtney Upshaw on the other side, And you know, Belichick sees that, and here we are a decade later and high Tower is one guy that they decided to keep, you know, and pay some money to at New England. But that's what makes it exciting too.

I think when you go to look at the draft and we'll get into the Senior Bowl and what Kyle sawl down at the Senior Bowl when we come back in just a moment. But it's exciting because with all the free agency Cowboys have, with all the needs that Cowboys have, and with all the changes on the coaching staff, there's a they can go any number of directions in this draft. And let's talk about that when we come back here on talking Cowboys in just a moment. I'm

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this month. A few changes here in though in the last twenty seven, twenty eighth to day right, twenty eight days offseason. Huh yeah, no such thing as the off season. Things will settle down though, I don't know when, but things will settle down when. Because we got the draft.

We're already talking draft free agency combines coming up in about three weeks, yes, a little over three yeah, about a month now, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fast agency free agency and all of that is fascinating to me, just because with a new staff and decisions and negotiations going on before four all of that. Yeah, well, Dak Prescott get his deal, May Cooper Byron Jones, what are

you gonna do with? Yes, Yes, much decision to be made, and it all factors into okay, what is the staff value and how does that influence the front office and what they do and when to decide to keep players let them go and we'll see not Dak or Amari. They're not going anywhere, I don't think. But you know, a lot of this roster could could look different. It always does to some degree, maybe a third. But you know,

they've got a lot of decisions to make. And we will take your phone calls here since since we don't have Everson and we don't have Mickey, we've got more time to fill. Is that a slight to me? No, not at all, not at all. It's but it's a slight. I've got Spagnola's listening right now. I really yes. I bet he's got his phone up while he's got his skis. He just can't he can't get away. He got his air pods in making a big air pod guy. He emailed me a Jack Black to read after death break watching.

Then Kyle has you to read that though, right, you're in the chair. That's fair. I am do it. Make these spots. I'll find YouTube, but I'm not going to be nearly as good as Makey's are. But Kayden Gates is taking your phone calls, and I don't remember the phone number. It's been so long since we took phone calls and Cowboys five to two ninety seven. That's right. It's on the screen right now. They can see it is on the screen. That production qual right, So how

do you remember that? That Kyle? Eight eight eight? That's that's all. Normally I do exactly what Kayden just did, and I just throw it up on the screen. But eight eight eight that would be Troy and Michael to me, Okay, you could go Troy and Drew, Troy and Das right y eight e. I mean I grew up more in the daz Realm. I guess, but you can go. I would still say probably Michael in that regard, Troy, Michael, Troy again, Layton Vander Esch, MT Smith and Jason Hatcher

former Great not Taco Taco, Charles Taco. See I go Leroy Jordan's okay, Bob Hayes, you know they used ninety seven ninety numbers back in my day? Did they not know who? They didn't have to because the rosters weren't as large back then. Good point, back in my day. And so I'm one Leroy Glover with the ninety seven or no, no, no, no, no, I'm going Jimmy Jones. Oh, Jimmy Jones. Okay, earlier earlier than Leroy Glover. So there you go. All right, So you want to talk Senior Bowl.

Let's one of us was in Mobile last week at the Senior Bowl, and that one would be Kyle Yeoman's And it was Yeoman's work that you did that last week there, Kyle. Yeah, I mean it was a lot of fun. It was my first really really good Yeah, he's great, but he's never never heard that. It's definitely not the name of my podcast or anything, but the uh this it was the first Senior Bowl that I've

gone to. And of course being with the Draft Show, it's been a great month already of kind of diving in, watching a ton of film and really getting to know these guys, starting to see exactly where the Cowboys could be looking in terms of their guys. And we had Bucky Brooks on last Thursday and we talked a lot about the blueprint, well he was on the Draft show, but the blueprint that we have as a as an NFL organization to potentially be successful and to build a

solid roster. And the Cowboys are about three positions short, and we decided that was tight in defensive line secondary, which is not a surprise to anybody. That's really where the eyes have already been. So but there were some guys that stood out over the course of the week and then even on Saturday that that kind of flashed some stuff that you like to see that could potentially fit with the Cowboys. And going back to what we talked about in the first segment, I mean the fact

that it's so wide open and the scheme is so undefined. Man, it makes things fun from a draft standpoint, in a outing standpoint, to say he's a ball or we could we could really use him on the Who's one guy? One guy? That's that you keep coming back to Javon kin Law out of South Carolina, defensive tackle. Where is he going to be picked? What? Hell? High? Probably right

around seventeen, the middle of the first round. And the only reason I would say that he drops is because of the fact that a lot of teams in front of the Cowboys need some quarterbacks, and so I think the quarterbacks are probably gonna be over picked a little bit. A guy like Jordan Love Utah State, I mean, justin Herbert's probably gonna go in the top ten, potentially six to the Chargers. Of course two was probably gonna be picked in that realm as well. So there's already three

guys plus Joe Burrow, so four quarterbacks. That ultimately puts you up position player wise to about the thirteenth best position player. Also, not to mention the wide receivers out of there, Jerry Judy, Cedee Lamb, even Rugs could be in that that conversation. That may be the deepest position in the top Yeah, this this draft is extremely deep when it comes to receivers. And I would honestly say

potentially tackle. I think offensive tackle. It's it's a very deep draft, but I would say wide receiver by far. And I think that was reflected in Mobile. A lot of great guys that were running around. But you take four receivers, four quarterbacks, that's eight picks in front of you potentially that the Cowboys don't have to worry about in terms of the needs that they've got to fill. It's interesting defensive tackle. What type of defensive tackle do

they want? A good one? A good one, but well, and the thing is the thing about kin Law that's interesting is he's not necessarily defined. He likes playing out of the three technique and he likes being that guy, but he can also line up in a one. He could be a guy who could kind of go to the outside a little bit and have some success. I mean, he's massive. I don't have his measurements right in front of me at the moment, but I can pull it up here in just a second. But six six three

ten is what he was measured at. So Bill McClay used that as example when he spoke to the senior at the Senior Bowl. To the reporters, he said, you know about the influence from the coaching staff, how that influences how the front office looks at players, and said, look, we're gonna we're gonna listen to him what they like. And he said, if they want bigger I think bigger defensive tackles, we can do that. That's not a guarantee, but that's that would be a difference from the Marinelli Era,

There's no doubt about it. I like the scheme flexibility because I think that's probably what you're looking for on defensive guy who can kind of do anything you want to do. Yeah, and I think secondary would be a safe pick in the first round as well. That's why a lot of the names like Grant Delpit and Xavier McKinney. McKinney excuse me, out of Alabama have kind of come up. But at least Senior Bowl wise, specifically looking at kin Law, all eyes were on him from a Cowboys perspective, at

least with helpman. And I sat with Nate Newton and he said, man, if if he gets his hands inside and he's able to get inside of an offensive lineman, there's no block in him, he's gonna throw you around. And Nate was really high on him. He did he indicate who he kind of reminded him of. I don't think so. I don't think he kind of gave a comp at least in that regard. Did you hear something. I'm just the size wise, six six three ten, I'm

thinking Michael Brucker's or something like that. I was thinking maybe a Chris Jones from Kansas City, it would be great. Yeah, a little bit like that. Yeah, I think he's incredible. And I think if if you've got a guy like that in the middle of your defense with the linebackers that you have and potentially letting them go down down downhill a little bit more than they have in the past, and man, that's that's a lot of run stopping ability

that you've got. Now. The one knocked to kin Law this week is he kind of struggled a little bit against smaller offensive lineman Lloyd Cushionberry, the second the offensive lineman out of l he kind of gave fits to kin Law and it it elevated Cushionberry stock a little bit, but kin Law kind of struggled to get those hands

inside went to the outside a little bit. But as a smaller guy, it just seemed like Cushionberry had a little bit more leverage and was able to kind of utilize the speed a little bit more in order to slow down a guy like Ken Law who has some speed but still takes a little bit to get going, which is understandable if you're six six three ten. So it's just, uh, it's interesting to see kind of the matchups and specifically the strengths and weaknesses of kin Law.

He did come up a little limp at the end of the second practice and they shut him down for the week. But it shouldn't be any issue. I think he's supposed to be good for the Combine next month, so uh really shouldn't be any lingering stuff. All right. Kyle is from Waco, Brian is from Waco. And Brian, you are up here on Talking Cowboys. Do you know Brian from Waco? What's the last name? Well, I don't know. Brian's gonna have to Yeah, you're not getting at but Kyla,

I didn't know you're from Waco. Man, that's cool. Yeah, man Waco, Brian you panther, No, I am not. Okay, I'm a Baylor Bear fan though, he sim Yeah, how about that. Maybe i'll see a Vtex sometime. We'll get a barbecue. Yeah yeah. Um, so I have a little bit of a thought experiment. I know. Um, I've been kind of keeping an eye. I'm most of the mock drafts have been going around. I'm a web and you know, ninety percent of them gonna have Grant Delpit going to us.

And that's that's all well and good. I would be happy with that. UM And I kind of think Colin, not to disagree with you a little bit, but I think Javon ken law Um, I have a feeling he's going to go a little earlier, like maybe to the Colts or the buck Buccaneers, maybe beforehand. I think once he gets to the combine, I think some of those coaching staffs are just gonna fall in love with him and his measurables and everything else. I kind of feel

like he's gonna be gone last seventeen. Uh. And I know how you were talking about the deep wide receiver class and um, and you were talking about Bucky Brooks earlier and his mock draft just came out and he gave us Henry Ruggs. And that's kind of who I've been on or lately the past few days. I think having him, Amari and Michael Gallup all in the same um, you know field together, him being just such a burner that is to me, if he was there, that would be hard to pass him up. Not to mention that

m Philly picks kind of behind us. They need a wide receiver, so I would want to keep him out of Philly Green Bay as well. They need a wide receiver as well. As I was going to people nowadays, um so you kind of have you kind of have that, and I think there's some really good defensive tackles you can get in the second and third. I think Gallamore, I think has been talked about that, Jordan Elliott has

been talked about. You might have a shot at getting Xavier McKinney in the second round for your safety position, um Aston Davis to a little bit lesser extent, but anyway, just kind of what you guys would think about maybe having Rogues and Gallup and MARII uh a lot enough. You know, who cares about defense when you're scoring forty fifty points a game? You sound like David Hellman and saying that he said, Hey, who cares about playing defense

when you put up sixty? Well, and I mean, in terms of value picks, wide receiver might be the best value you could get, depending on where you know who falls the seventeen I would add one more position to y'all's list of I guess deficiencies where they're at right now, I would say linebacker only because we just don't know.

I mean, they've got four unrestricted free agents to be including Shawn Lee justin March, Malcolm Smith and Joe Thomas, and Layton Vanderesh's having is coming off you know what they term a minor procedure, and we'll be back for the off season program. But you need to cover yourself with some insurance at the very least. I agree with that. I also just don't necessarily see that as a higher priority, and potentially you could attack that in free agency as well.

I think linebackers a position where you could go at in free agency and have better success at saying not saying you're going to hit on everybody. Yeah, and I'm not saying all these guys won't be bad. You could be bad. We'll see um and these other guys. But that's another one, just all all three levels of the defense. I'm just looking at it like, man, just get the best player. Yeah. I kind of want to go back to what he started with about Ken Law potentially not

being there at seventeen. I agree. I mean, with his measurables and the way that he kind of showed out before he got hurt at the Senior Bowl, there's there's a very good chance that he's gone before things changed so much absolutely now and March. I mean once the numbers, the measurables come out, combine and then pro days, then um, who knows where some of these guys are going. Yeah, all right, we come back in a moment and uh, hey there's a little game that's going on this weekend.

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were here a little early this morning. What time do you get up? I got up at six forty five, six forty five. Well, you know what the best way to wake up get your face buff energizing scrub from get Jack Black dot com. It has vitamin C and mint mixed in there. It'll wake you up the right way. If you go online and use the code hello, you can get a free face buff three ounce with sixty dollars or more of your purchase. Go to get Jack Black dot com. I did have vitamin C this morning,

but I did not have it on my face. He didn't have any mint with it either, I know, No I did not. Okay, I love He made it conversational, just like your mixture. You know, I love it. And Kyle expressed some trepidation in the break, saying that there's a lot of pressure, pressure, a lot of pressure, and Rob quickly said, no, the bar is set so damn low. That's exactly what I said. There is no reason for

trepidation as you make that read funny, isn't it, Mick? Yeah, that is so use the code hello, like in good morning, I love it. Yeah, that's funny that you said six forty five because of the alarm clock on that sheet that Mickey email says six fifty five. I thought you were about to say fifty five, and I was, Oh, I was about to be wow, half interesting, even better, But it was a little bit about reset by a

large six fifty five. There you go. The only reason I wake up at six forty five is because my wife leaves her for work at seven am. I will that's the only chance I get to see her all day. So anyway, let's go to Nebbi Nebbi, you're up here on talking Cowboys. How you doing nebbi um um um um Uh. I'm doing well, even though I feel sad about Kobe Bryant. Uh a god buzzes soul. First of all,

I want to make a quick Super Bowl prediction. I think San Francisco is gonna beat Kansas City twenty three, twenty three twenty And I want to know, uh uh among our assistant coaches, who who who do you feel the most good about me? Me personally? UH? I think the fact that we hired UH John Fossil as our special UH team's coach, UH is a great uh uh uh is a great uh uh higher because he's a

great special teams coach. Uh to take care thanks for being patient with me and uh uh uh uh take care of thanks for be abating with me and have a great week. But okay, appreciate it. Thank you very much. And I agree wholeheartedly with John Fossil as he's my pick too that I'm most excited about. I'll go with Mike Nolan and he said something really interesting. He kept harping on takeaways yesterday and to me, that's the biggest thing that's got to change defensively. They've got to take

the ball away, he said. Aikman told him a story one time that as a player, he didn't fear a secondary that just knocked the ball down because okay, that's the worst thing that happens. I throw in completions all the time. It's a Dion Sanders, and you know you're not going to find another Deon Sanders. But guys out there that are a threat to take the ball away or what quarterbacks and Everson Walls and Everson Walls our

guy picks in his career. Absolutely, So if that's the priority and that's what they're going to focus on doing how can they fit the scheme, how can they get more players to do that. I like what I'm hearing. Plus Nolan's experience as well. Yeah, I would probably agree with Nebby and say Fossil, but just for the sake of being different, I would say Joe Philbin over there as well, just a little bit of experience there to kind of help out Kellen Moore in his second year.

I think having a more experienced staff around him, I mean, even Skip Pete in the building as well. I think those two guys are going to help out a lot in the way that Kellen Moore runs this offense and potentially grows. I know McCarthy's going to probably have a pretty solid chunk of say and how the offense is run, but I think those three combined are going to really help Kellen Moore grow and continue to improve as an offensive coordinator. That's why I like that high you know.

And the other thing from Mike McCarthy's perspective, I love that there's an assistant head coach named Rob Davis who's been hired here. There's so much on the plate for a head coach in this league that goes beyond coaching football, and that we don't even think about. I mean we talk about, you know, the media stuff that he has to do, but even just setting the schedule on when they do things and things like. There's so many administrative type things that a head coach has to deal with.

And if Mike McCarthy is going to sit in on those offensive meetings and defense and have his hands all over this team, he needs help in that regard and it's probably something that he decided over the court, and he may have done that previously in Green Bay too, but I would imagine those skull sessions with those coaches that he had at his house in Green Bay over the course of the last year. That's probably something that came up with is you need a right hand man.

And he was in the private sector of the last couple of years, which is interesting and he hasn't been a coach before, but he's going to be a bridge for player development as well. He was that in Green Bay and the Cowboys already have a tremendous staff of people who do that. But that's another addition, a good addition.

I thought he's an interesting hire just because of his lack of coaching experience, but I think he's in a different role than a true XS and o's guy, And he talked about that he's kind of a utility guy for that that McCarthy trust. I mean, you need even just things that you've ideas that you have, you need someone that you can play ideas off of our issues that come up. How do you handle certain things? You

need a sounding board on stuff like that. Randald Cobb was walking past his interview session and it was kind of like an open house at school, you know, all these guys are talking at once, and he came by and he shot he's a legend, you know, and obviously you go cobbs around him for several years in Green Bay. So speaking highly of Rob Davis. All right, Philip in France, you have the final call on this Tuesday here I'm talking cowboys. How are you doing? I'm fine, Hi, guys.

It's been a wine since we first let me wish an epin year and the best twishes for twenty twenty twenty two the Cowboys Nation. Um, maybe you are already debate at museum about this topic, but I mean some homework on coach mcmathy. There's something that bothers me a little bit about him and his system. Exception of Eddie Lacey's a rookie year, his team had never had a dominant grand game, even when good running backs were lining up behind the Aaron Rodgers. The Cowboys roster is built

to run a lot the rock. What all you take on this? And then we have a little a little thinking at the box here, uh say Cincinnati, he's desperate to win. Now, what about them to call for a trade for Dak with pick number one and maybe maybe say your third? What I thought about it, Mike for taking Michael, have a great year, have a great week, and take care by bye. All right, Philly, We appreciate it. Game. That's you know, that's he's right. I mean that's something

that people have harped on with McCarthy. I will say that when you've got Aaron Rodgers, yeah, And I wouldn't say they had and they didn't have a Zeke Elliott in Green Bay. They had decent running backs, solid running backs, but they bond Green probably the best of those, yeah, but not Zeke. And he's right that this offense has been built to run the football. And I don't I don't think that's going to change. I think it makes

so much easier on DAK. But I do think when you've got Aaron Rodgers that that changes the way you probably call plays and emphasize your offense. And they used a lot of the short passing game too with Aaron Rodgers, which can function in some ways as a run game as well. So I don't really worry about that too much. I don't. I don't think they're gonna be seventy thirty pass run under McCarthy. Did they have a first round or even early second round running back during his entire tenure.

I know Lacey was sixty first we're also second round. Yeah, I mentioned Green, he was a third rounder. They didn't have one of those bell cow backs that you could go to even if they wanted to know, without a variety. Yeah, no, nothing, nothing like this. I'm not I'm not concerned about it. I don't know if you guys are. I think they're going to try to have balance, and Kellen Moore is he talked about that they've got to attack in different ways and and and use run action, play action, all

those things off of the run game. That's important. And I don't think that part's going to change, and I think you got to get Tony Pollard involved, sure, I

really think so. Yeah, I think that's got to be something that and hopefully that like you you mentioned it earlier that the barn sessions that McCarthy had in terms of looking at the New Age NFL and evolving his play style, I hopefully that involves maybe a two running backs in the backfields kind of said, and an opportunity for for Pollard to get involved even win Zeke's on the field, because I think that would be something that

I know, personally I would love to see. Yeah, because I think it's an extremely talented back and I think he's we're keeping an animal caged on the sideline if that's the case, and even Zeke more involved in the passing game the screen game works, Zeke's capable of doing more than that. He had almost eighty catches a couple of years ago. You can get him more involved too. The second part of his question, no, Dak Prescott's not going in yere. Yeah, I wasn't even go in there.

Who is their running back? Who is their top running back when they won the Super Bowl twenty ten season. I'm trying to right after Green. I'm not totally sure. Have you got pro reference? I've got it up, yep. Who is it? Brandon Jackson? Okay, okay, had a seven hundred three yards on one hundred and ninety carries. That season. They had James Starks and have memory serves me right, Star starts stars, and I like Starks as a as a second back, and as memory serves me right, Starks

came on big at the end of that season. I think, yes, yes, stand back got hurt. Right. They had so many injuries that year. They had like twenty guys. Was amazing, Yeah, amazing. They were able to make that run with as many injuries as they had. All right, what about this Super Bowl? What are we thinking? You think you want me to go first? Sure? Okay, So I've been on the Kansas City bandwagon for a little while in terms of the offense, and Patrick Mahomes. San Francisco gave me a little bit

to think about. I thought going into it, I was like, Kansas City's gonna run the table. They're gonna They're gonna make this look easy. I don't think it's gonna be easy, but I'm gonna stick with my original pick. I picked him before the season even started. Kansas City's gonna win it, but it's not gonna be a game that you would expect.

You would expect potentially a high scoring affair. I think it's gonna be like twenty three, like police score team or yeah, I will say a little bit less than that. It'd be close to that though. I like what Nev said twenty three twenty, but I'm gonna say twenty three to twenty one. But I'm gonna go Kansas City not San Francisco. What are you thinking, Robert? I love Pat Mahomes this game, so he reminds me of AT five,

But I just wow. And Mike Freeman, one of my favorite NFL writers, for Please Report, he pulled apparently a lot of unnamed executives around the league, people around the league that think the Chiefs are gonna win easily. I just don't. I don't see that. I've been burned by Seattle, Denver and Denver against the Panthers a few years ago. These the teams that have the strong defenses and capable offense prevail a lot of times in these Super Bowls, and I think I think San Francisco is the more

complete team. We'll see. We'll see, but I think it's gonna be a highly entertaining game and maybe I think it might be pretty high scoring on both both sides of the football. We'll see. I'll go twenty eight twenty four San Francisco. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the Texans past defense was like twenty ninth in the league something like that, and the Titans was twenty fourth or something like that. And what is

San Francisco's past defense? It's really good. They first, first or second, I think their first, maybe second, okay, and just their ability to run the ball with whoever say, it doesn't matter who's in the backfield. It's very Mike Shanahan and Denver all those years. You know, well, it's gonna be great. I think it's gonna be a terrific game. And still, did you did you until you pick Kansas City or twenty four? I'm gonna go San Francisco. No,

I'm not. Why would I do that. At the beginning of the season, I said, Dallas is gonna win the Super Bowl, and so Dallas is gonna win the Super Bowl. The Dallas, the Dallas Texans wins Super Bowl season? Are you going forty No, I'm not. Thank god game's not on CBS, so I don't have to go. What's the score? Forty two? Forty two thirty four four two thirty four Texans? Okay, Dallas texanss just insanity, those Sniders. I see what you

did there. Always you switched on, always a bit. Yeah, all right, first time fifty years the Texans win the Super Dallas Texans win the Super Bowl. Okay, all right, that doesn't for this edition of Talking Cowboys. And we'll see if Mickey is back next week, or we'll Luke Earrick once again be in the seat here. We'll talk at you again next week. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.