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Damn Ballo, Rob Phillips, Hi, I'm hi. Is that gonna be our like new things? Whenever I say it? Hi? Hello, I was calling. Not gonna be my thing? But that's cool. Everybody doing okay though? Great? Yeah? Getting set Isaiah, you wake up at like five am every day. I don't know how you okay? Four with it been like, I don't know how you do this. Y'all gonna respect my fat Ruptcy Court two that starts at five in the morning. Man, So you're waking up at five four two. Yeah, So

come on with it. It's impressive. Okay, let's go. I do respect that more than anything. Honestly. Where you are the early show on Dallas publis dot com. But these guys, I think it's early. How do you guys do? I mean, y'all look like I just left the club by y'all to tell me about it the club. I don't dress up to go to the club. I haven't been in the club. I'm just saying, look at you. You got the cufflinks in your pocket. I know. I mean that's a guy. I want to know. The threat count on

that shirt. It's pretty darn high, pretty dark on high. It was a gift. The painting was a gift. Todd shot I'm taking with me. Can't hide money right back there? Being all honesty, man, we're just trying to keep up with you. No, for the first time this year, can can we can we drop this down somewhere for the first time this year? Heckma has won the same watch two days in a row. Whoa oh, I'm just saying, have you seen it? Have we seen it? Double up?

I don't think so. I don't believe so either. He I'm just walking into his household and it's just watching watch Watch. So so what you're seeing right now. So at the end of the day, what happens is before I go to bed, I checked my steps and it's always somewhere around the nine thousand, eight hundred. I'm doing everything to get those ten thousand steps. So I'm not switching watches. Dog. This thing is going to percolate at some portant today and I want to be a part

of it. So you allow yourself to go to bed two hundred steps short of your goal. See, I swear to god it is wow. I would about motivation. Goodness. I love that little bit. Walk to the corner, right around the bit, get yeah, good around the streets, coming back. All right, Well we've we're having some fun here on talking cowboys. Treyvon dis has had some fun over the

last month, wouldn't you say? So? It was coming down that he has been named the NFC Defensive Player of the Month one of the big news lines coming out today and it was like, yeah, there you go, a little flos for Treyvon Diggs. Uh goodness. He has taken the league by storm. I mean, we have talked about it already on this this program, but Rob, I mean, it's been a while since a NFC Defensive Player of the Month has been employed by the Dallas Cowboys, but

Treyvon Digs very deserving. Absolutely. I mean, if you tie your rookie total in interceptions in three games, you're doing something right. And the Cowboys are two when one in large part because of that turnover deferential best in the league, plus five league leading eight takeaways, and Trayvon Diggs has been a huge part of that. So he's on We're gonna talk about him later in the show, I believe.

But he's on the up swing, no doubt, and I'm sure he wishes he could play against Jalen Hurts every week. So especially the pick six that I mean, he's just especially those quarterbacks that telegraph their throws. He's just too good to do that too. And you talk about guys that have taken the leap in their second year, he's done that. And I'm just so impressed with the way that he's playing, the way that he's breaking on balls.

I mean, and dan Quinn is getting a lot of praise, rightfully, So from just recognizing the guys that he has and and putting these guys in position to actually be successful. And look for me as a as a as a former defensive guy, I am used to a defense hunting

an offense. The NFL has changed so much now that offenses are hunting the defense, and I love to see that paradigm shift with our with our defense because they are coming out the teams and I just can't wait to see what the game plan is for the Panthers, because I believe we go We're gonna come out. Though I asked, I agree. I asked Jordan Lewis about Trayvon yesterday and he said, well, he dropped seven interceptions last year,

so yeah, he should be doing this. I don't know if he drops seven, but he didn't say that he did, I mean, just like that rap, but like he did say that in training camp, Like I got my hands on a number of balls and did not come up with them, and he is said thirteen. I think he said he got his hands on thirteen balls in tray or excuse me, last year as a rookie. But he said this in training camp and he was like, that means I should have thirteen more interceptions and everybody kind

of giggled and laughed at it. But it's like, oh, every time he gets a pick, you think about that quote. Basically, Jordan's point was he was in position to make plays last year. He was a ball hawk last year. He gave up some big plays, but he can This is not necessarily knew. He just finished and plays. Yeah, he's

been very good. He's the first Defensive Player of the Month award for the Cowboys since DeMarcus Lawrence in September of twenty seventeen, and then before that it was linebacker Shaun Lee October of twenty thirteen and September of twenty eleven. Those the last three times the Cowboys have had the honor. So if you're talking about company over the last decade for the Dallas Cowboys, that's pretty good company to be in. Okay,

Carolina Panthers on the docket. Three and oh coming up this Sunday afternoon, Matt ruling company in his second year out in Carolina and they've had quite the turnaround so far. Sam Darnold that quarterback. Today we're previewing the Cowboys defense led by Trey Von Diggs against that Carolina offense that has to deal with no Christian McCaffrey. So, Isaiah, what weapons, what problems do or does the Carolina offense bring to the table come Sunday. I don't think it's one particular person.

I'm when I at the Carolina Panthers, I look at their approach holistically. Their their offense in the way in which they attack is multifaceted. They'll they'll run at you, they'll go twenty one personnel, they'll go twelve personnel, they'll go thirteen personnel. Uh, they'll go eleven personnel, they'll empty out the backfield, they mix it up. It really reminds me of kind of killing Moore's approach to this season, to be honest with you, minus the fact that we

actually use the Carolina uses a fullback. Um, so it's really not one person that you have to be worried about. And that's that's a good thing, but it's a bad thing as well. Um. It's the same reason why teams can't key on one particular guy when we're when we're facing them offensively, Um, we can't key on one guy for them. Obviously they're losing, they lost their their number

one guy, but that almost forces them to use everybody. Now, um, you know, everybody used to key in on on Christian McCaffrey, but now he's out temporarily. So now you got Hubbard in the backfield. Now you got you know, their their plethora of tight ends that they have. They have DJ Moore, they got Anderson, you know that you can't sleep on. So they got some dudes, man, they got some dudes. And you know, I think that we need to approach this and say, hey, our guys versus your guy's head up.

We're not trying to take out one particular guy or one particular facet of what you do. We just have to be prepared, be prepared for everything because they're gonna throw everything at us. I love when we have these conversations off camera and you kind of feed me with some information. Yesterday you said that about Joe Brady's offense and Kelly Moore's being similar, and I couldn't wait to get home to look at the tape. Damn, yeah, it is. It is very similar. And it's that college style and

people that don't recognize the name. The offensive coordinator for the Panthers was also the offensive coordinator for LSU, and during their national championship run, and do you talk about

that offense when it's clicking, It is unstoppable. And I just think the things that they do with their tight ends are also very interesting and we're gonna have and we had a question yesterday from a caller that asked us about covering the tight ends and there's going to be a challenge in this game to get those tight ends cover. But I'm again my whole thing is, guys, what do the Panthers do without Christian McCaffrey. And I know, for us, if we were facing the team where we're

looking at taping, we're keying in on this guy. Who else are they going to have? I don't know if Hubbard can replaces as a back. You know what McCaffrey does. But you're absolutely right when you talk about the wide receivers and especially Robbie Anderson and his ability to take the top off of a defense. How are we going to approach that. I'm looking at Sam Donald first, and it's only three games in, but he looks like he's having a renaissance. He needed to get out of New York,

he needed to get away from the Jets situation. Robbie Anderson did last year and had a career season ninety three catches, and it's you know, we're looking at what Matt Stafford's doing in LA and to maybe a little bit of a smaller scale, it's what Sam Donold's doing in Carolina. Get out of a losing situation, get your confidence back, you know, and be around some better personnel. And it's reflected in the stats his yards per attempt

or up, his yards per completion or up. He's only got one interception so far, and that's one of the best things they do is they don't turn the ball over. So I just see, you know, they've got a number one overall draft pick at quarterback who's playing the best ball of his career, with an offensive coordinator who can really do some good things schematically, and it's shown up in the first game even though they don't have their best player this week. Sam Darnold is only twenty four

years old. Do you believe that he's a number one overall pick and he's twenty four. I mean, you talk about a renaissance. I mean, he's been in the league for four years. But yeah, it's it's it feels like ten in New York with the struggles that they had exactly, so he could be a very formidable quarterback by the time he is really getting going in Carolina, and maybe he already is getting going, and that's why they've they've

looked so strong. But kind of to go along with what you guys said Matt Rule said yesterday, Obviously you can't replace the production of Christian McCaffrey, but those other players, they've been waiting for their opportunity. Who knows what they can do when given that opportunity, and he don't. He doesn't think it's fair to Sam Darnold and to the offensive line to go away from what they've been doing.

We've been working on it for a long time. So that to me tells me that they're gonna stick with a lot of the same deal and trying to run Chubba Hubbard, the rookie out of Oklahoma State, just as much as they would try and utilize a Christian McCaffrey. Now huge step down not Christian McCaffrey, but they have a similar skill set if you look at what they

can do. Well. Yeah, so this is the thing. So everybody looks like Christian McCaffrey and thinks that he's just the God's end and he's a freaking amazing He's freaking amazing's no mistake about it. But let's not act as if this offense was unproductive when he's not on the field. That's not the case. It's not like you throw a swing route that would have gotten minus one yards and all of a sudden, McAffrey turns it into hand. It's like, no, this is this is a player that we probably would

have got six yards and McCaffrey turns into ten or twelve. Right, But she's chains are still moving, right. McCaffrey has the big playability. He has ability to break tackles, he has ability to to squire squiggle out of a couple of things. But offensively, they're still productive. So I don't want people to be fooled and think, oh mcaffy's gone. I means, yeah, we're about we're about run off and get on their head. No, no, no,

you still have to stop the offense. You just don't have to worry about the running back now all of a sudden making some miraculous plays that we've seen on highlight rails, you know, friend for him from the past years. Yeah, I think for me seeing Hubbard because we live here in Texas Big twelve that's all we see. So Oklahoma State is always on the twobe and you've seen him. Man, he's a tough inside runner guy that has good hands.

But you're right now, this no McCaffrey is just his DNA is completely different from a lot of running backs in this league. But I want to go back to something that you said about Sam Donald and the renaissance of his career being in Carolina. The look they've played the Jet they played the Texans, and they played a divisional game against the Saints that have hadn't been home in a month, right and missing five of their assistant coaches in the time that they played. I'm not trying

to downplay it. It's certainly is what I'm saying. And I think Sam Donald still has some of those tendencies that we've seen. Man. He you know, when you get pressure on him, he starts to do the macareina and burp the baby, you know, and and next thing you know,

he's he'll turn it over. And I think the defense that we have, we have the kind of hunters up front that we can get after him, you know, immediately, and so that's the number one thing that I want to see dan Quinn established, is pressure on Sam Donald. You believe that or no, I totally I agree with you there, although just watching him in some of these games so far, he will step up in the pocket and make a throw and rip it down the field

and just he looks like it's just a more confident quarterback. Now, you're right, it's it's early and Cowboys have shown they can get some pressure, so it'll be interesting. But I do agree. I think they've got Hubbard looks good. I mean when he came in the second half, he averaged five yards of carry, had three catches at for twenty seven. That's kind of, you know, help supplement some of what McCaffrey does out of the backfield. So they can still

their productive. Yeah, they can still spread it around. But three weeks in you're right, But but I think I do think they're using that as a little bit of a chip too, because I think rule A dressed that, like, yeah, the fact that they haven't played anybody yet, Well, they're about to play somebody. They have two chips. As office a coordinator, you're coming too this game with two chips

on your shoulder. You come in with a chip on your shoulder that you're not you can't do anything without your number one player, So you take that on as office a coordinators like, oh, okay, you know I'm about I'm about to killing mord and getting my bag to show that we got some other dogs around here. So

that's why I say this. It's a good thing that he's gone for against us, but it's also a bad thing because now you're going to see some stuff that you probably wouldn't have seen that the office of coordinator is going to go. Okay, let me Plus you don't really know what's coming either. Take this out since you know y'all think we can do nothing, all right, I

just would be about to do, you know. And and then you have the aspect of, um uh what I was gonna say, Oh yeah, as far as what you just mentioned, as far as that they haven't played anybody, I was like, okay, So so y'all think we can't play, and y'all think that we that we can't do anything without McCaffrey. All right, I got something for you. I guess any competitor is gonna take that approach. Any competitor, any true competitor's gonna take that approach. All right, you're

trying to play me sideways. Okay, I got something for you. Let you know, come on, come on, you already know. Let you already know. Somebody say you that you can't ball no oh yeah, but I understand that. And the thing is, I guess the whole point for me is if the Cowboys are three and tho, we play a rookie to two rookie quarterbacks the first time starters, and you know one to say, it wouldn't be oh, these guys are undefeated, yalla. You would start looking at who

they played like a box. And I'm not calling these teams tomato Tomato casts because the parody in the NFL is real. And that's why when you say, y'all, I was supposed to hint that, it's hey, it's like it's like I say that, it's like the ball Brothers in boxing. I get it, all right, yeah, you you you match them up and you give them credit based upon who they who they face. But at the same time, people, I just want people to acknowledge the fact that this

is a good ball toon. This is a good ball club, It's a good ball club, and they have players, they have some dudes, and just because their schedule, it's no different than like Boise State. Back in the day, people used to try to write off Boysey State because of the conference they're in. But and say that, all you know, these boys can't play, they haven't played anybody. And then they go and they play somebody and then they whoop

on their head. You know what happened. They'll storm to feel and tear your goal posts out exactly, and that's and that's what and I agree with you. And the thing that makes me nervous about the matchup, literally is the fact that just the record of teams playing on Monday night playing teams that played previously in the Thursday night, and I think the record is twenty one and twenty five or something like that. And I won't call this a trap game because they're three and oh, so you

can't call it a trap game. But I will say, but I will say that you're right. You know, this is one of those situations where, because of the short schedule to play on Sunday, we have to come prepared and be ready for whatever they do at twelve o'clock. One of the biggest reasons there's a buzz around this Cowboys team is because of the teams that they've beaten. I mean, maybe not the Eagles, but of course the Chargers and what they were able to do against the Chiefs.

The Panthers don't have that yet because of like you said, maybe their biggest win was the blowout win over New Orleans, and New Orleans is still trying to find their footing under Jamis Winston at the same time. But to your point of production, after Christian McCaffrey, the Panthers against the Texans on Thursday night scored seventeen of their twenty four points without Christian McCaffrey in the backfield. They only had a touchdown going in a halftime and they came out

with seventeen after that. But man, you've gotten me excited, you guys just talking about this, thinking about the duel of the offensive coordinators. Man, two young offensive coordinators up and comers, geniuses if you wanted to call it that. At modern day offensive minds, Joe Brady and Calamore, that's gonna be a lot of fun, yea. And people forget that that's the competition, and two people forget that coaches

heck yeah. People always think about because you watch the players, right, You watch the players, and we bring up Kelly Moore, we bring up you Dan Quinn, right, But people think about them as individuals. They don't think of them as competitors.

These coaches are competitive is all get out. You guys can remember these are These are ex players that go up there and all of a sudden they're in their bag, drawing up stuff, trying to figure out what they can do to gain an advantage over their opponent because they're having a battle. They're in a booth, you know what I'm saying, looking a couple of booths down. There's a guy that's that's over there trying to go against what they're doing, and it's head to head. It's head to head. Now.

Their players are executing what they're putting out there, right. But when you're playing Madden, guess what RAPI If you go out there and you pick cover two, I'm about to eat it up, right, I'm gonna eat it up. And guess what if and if and if I eat it up, guess what you're gonna do. You're gonna change it up. You're gonna come to something MC nasty right now. You're gonna pick the play that you think gains you an advantage, but you're expecting your players to carry it out.

I like that a lot. There's a battle going on within the battle back and Forth and the Cowboys. You're gonna have a battle on Sunday when we come back here on Talking Cowboys. Let's play a game of this or excuse me? Take it or leave it is what I'm calling it, Take it or leave it. I'm gonna ask you some questions, including is Trayvon Digs an elite cornerback in the NFL? When we come back on more Talking Cowboys? Honey, big news? Gary? Are you okay? Oh?

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Isaiah Stanback, Rob Phillips and Kyle Yoman celebrating. Well, we've got a fun matchup on the docket, and the Cowboys also have the NFC Defensive Player of the month, third player in team, his history with those accolades, and it's Treyvon Diggs. So I've got some questions for you. Okay, this is three questions. Is take it or leave it? Which take it means you agree. Leave it means you disagree. I'm gonna start with mister defensive player of the month,

Treyvon Diggs. This statement is Treyvon Diggs is a top ten corner in the NFL right this moment. Heckma, do you agree? Take it? Take it baby? Why now he's showing you he's doing everything that in the league corner would do. He's following the number one corners. I mean, you don't relegate that responsibility to a guy that you don't think is has the talent. And he's paying you back by getting those turnovers. So if he continues on this trajectory, I mean we're talking a pretty seat, a

pretty serious season for the second year player. Isaiah, I can't say that right now. I'mbout to leave it. Okay, he's on a great trajectory, but I can't say he's top ten right now. I can't make that. Why is that we got some really good cornerbacks in this league. Sure, some really good dudes in this league. I think that he's a very effective corner right now. Um, I think when you start talking about top ten, I think you are talking about guys that's shut down corners, like you

said Alexander and green Bay. Um, obviously Jalen Ramsey, guys that have a larger sample, Gilmore, Gilmore, that's top five. But then when you got six to seven, eight, Xavier Howard, that's top five. I'm just here. I'm just award. I would say Byron Marcus Peters, you know obviously he's hurt now schrm, no, you got you got back. He's not a top ten corner. You gotta back that out though, don't even not today, not today, not right this second. There, I'm just going down to list. But I got a

list from PF in July. Okay, top outside corners in the league. Love it. Richard Sherman was a free agent at the time, checked in at number eleven. There's no way this is PF. There's no way we love PF, do we? He referenced them every once in a while, but I don't know if I love them. Some other guys, I mean, we mentioned the other guys that you know, but Trayvon in a top ten before the season, probably no. Marcus Peters checked in at ten, and that is in

terms of getting the ball and takeaways. That's a that's a comp like that, that's a comparison. I think, Yeah, there's there's some there's some dudes, and there's some dudes. You know, Byron Jones is at fourteen. Byron Jones didn't have him. What was his career high here in takeaways like, I think you have to factor that one or two interceptions. Yeah, but we know he was a really good He was really good and they didn't resign him. And I thought

that was asked me at the time. Right now, the trajectory that he's on the way that he's playing, I'm taking it. Are you taking it or leaving it? Pete? I'm taking it actual, Okay, come on with it, um at the moment. I mean it's a small sample, sire, that's three weeks. Yes, that's what I'm asking. Hey, defensive player of the month? Baby, how do you? How do you knock you? He's he's not in the top thirty two. Casey Habert Junior is number thirty two according to PFF

from July. That's yeah, that's before the season though, So yeah, keep that in mind. And I don't want Cowboys fans sending emails to Pro Football Focus about their July list on treyvon Diggs. I would take it as well. I think he at the moment is a top ten corner in the league because you're mentioning he's not locked down, he's not a shutdown corner. I think he proved against Tampa Bay that he is a top or. He's a shutdown corner. I know Keenan Allen got his fill, but

that's okay. I mean even top corners in the league will give up a game here and there against the top ten arguably wide receiver in the NFL. That's exactly what Allen is as well. And then he comes out and he does the same thing last week against and waltha dog on young teams and had to pick six. He's a really good player. No, I'm not. Don't think that. I don't think he's a really good player. I just I can't call him top ten. That's okay, that's it,

that's fair. That's consistency. You want to keep seeing. I have to see I gotta see it. I mean, right everybody can saying right now. I think right now, if you if there's an opportunity to if you put all the cornerbacks in the league on the table and said, hey, who are you gonna pay a bunch of money to, I don't think that he's in that top ten. I think he will be by the day. I think he I think he has potential to be. Yeah, he's on

the right trajectory. All right, what is this Cowboys defense? Real? Yes? Take it or leave it? Take it? Excuse me? Run defense? I meant to say run in front of that Cowboys run defense? Real? I get. I'm glad you said take it initially, but I meant to ask, runs are the odds that my mom would give me from the kitchen? Well, I just knew it was over. I just got set up. Sorry, I jumped the gun. He was like, let me change that. I got white out. Oh oh, run, d Rob? Do

you want to go first? What was the question? Run defense? Is it real? Are you buying it right now? You're buying the run defense? You're taking the run defense? Or you think it's just a short sample size and it hasn't such a greared its ugly head. Yes it is, gotcha, I'm not I'm not buying it yet, but I'm not I'm not leaving it either. Is that Is that a terrible cop out answer? I just think it's okay. I guess I say leave because it's a small sample size.

I think they're gonna be better than they were last year. I don't know how you couldn't be better than you were last year. But they've only opponents have only rushed against them forty five times. By comparison, the Cowboys have rushed ninety times and how many yards in forty five rushes two eleven to four point seven average, which is pretty good but decent. Through three weeks. They've played two elite quarterbacks and Philly was so behind they rushed twelve

times in the game. So it's a very small sample size, but I do like what they've done up front, no question about it. It's in my shopping cart, it's on your Amazon day, ready to buy, It's in my shopping Come on, now, you get something in your shopping carver for and then you say that before before you push the checkout button, you said, let me go do a little bit more research. Let me think about it. I'm gonna I'm a technology guy. I'm a techie, right so

I'll throw something in the bag. But I need to go back and do all that analysis. I need to go back and cross compare. I need to do price checks, I need to do you know, scour the Internet, watch some some YouTube videos and make sure that what I'm grabbing is the right thing. That there's not nothing new coming out. So it's like on the eBay, you can either buy now or you can click the add the card. Exactly, it's it's in my car and then you get an

email the next day saying you left something. There's even like a there's even like a safer later list. Yeah, exactly, exactly, it's on my Christmas list. What about you? Heck one? You know what? This is one of those Leavid situations. And the reason why is I'm gonna go back to Peasworth that he's using this morning sample size. I think of first downs, and we saw versus the Eagles, they had some gas runs. I mean they started they start of the game with a twenty on my yard yard run.

So I think that we're correcting it. I just don't. I don't want to claim it yet. And especially what we did against Leonard Fournette, I love that, but you know, I think Tampa also went away from from the run just as well as we did. So I'm really waiting to see that matchup where we have to face a running back that's going to continue to grind it out just like we do. And I think we're capable. I think you see the improvements on the front front line, but I just don't want to jump out the cake

just yet on the ticket. And the thing is your offense is so much better this year that that can mitigate the run for the other team. I mean, if you keep building up leads with Dak Prescott in this offense, you're going to force teams to get away from that at some point. You know, first half you can be more balanced. Second half like we saw last week, it goes out the window so that that can help your run defense just by what the scoreboard says. Yeah, I agree.

I think I would say leave right now. But there's kind of along the same lines. There's a really good chance to buy it, or excuse me, take it. I'm mixing up my own game. It is in my shopping cart because I think once they get back and healthy, I think it is fixed. I think it is a complete turnaround in terms of the run defense that you saw from a year ago. Right now you're trying to stay afloat with the run defense with all those guys

missing up front. Carlos Watkins Neville Gallimore, Tristan Hill. I mean you're trying to figure it all out. Tank, Yeah, goodness, Dorn's armstrong, Black Bradley, and I last week Kean O'Neill. So I think you have to try try and keep the boat afloat and you were going to have a massive test this week. You don't have Christian McCaffrey, but I think Chubba Hubbard's gonna have a good game. I think he's gonna get his fill in terms of yards,

So it should be interesting. Okay, next question. This Carolina team offensively with their weapons on the outside, is the fourth most talented offense that the Cowboys have faced so far this season? Take it or leave it? What you're gonna put in the shopping car at this time? But they have four games exactly, Say it's the point, it's the fourth most talented. Yeah, it's least talented the Cowboys that face so far. False So leave it, leave it. Why is that this team is this offense is more

talented than what we faced last week than the Eagles? Yeah, okay, why they have more weapons? They have more weapons and their attack is different than what the Eagles attack is. So um they are they come at you from all different angles. Versus Eagles, you kind of know how they can beat you. You really don't know how Carolina can beat you. Carolina can beat you in a lot of different ways if you if you allow them to, they can They can establish a run, they can make you

get eight men in the box. They hit you over the head with a play action once you start to make you commit to that, or they'll just spread you out. They'll go four, four or five wives, or really not four or five wives, they'll go five. How they'll go empty backfield with two tight ends out there, and they'll drop a guy back there to blog like, there's there's so many different things that they do, and I think that they're more their approach is more team oriented versus

individual oriented. Okay, I like that answer, Rob. Yeah, I think they're number three on the list. You know, I think they faced two top ten quarterbacks already, so it's hard to put them in front of that. But yeah, I mean Darnold is dealing right now. I mean he's he's been more productive than Jalen Hurts. And the wide receivers they have are as good as I mean, really almost as good as what they face. So far in terms of their their talent level. And they did trade

away one tight end, Dan Arnold for that CJ. Henderson trade. But you know it still if you're in Thomas and they like Tommy Tremble, So it's a pretty balanced group overall, even without Christian McCaffrey. And there I'd put them at number three. He'll let you know how good they feel about their tight end room to trade away. Yeah, like Dan Arnold, Yeah yeah, Now Tommy Trembell is showing his worth. I mean he think he had a carry versus Houston.

That's the way they feel about his athleticism. But you know, look, man, if I sit here and listen to you guys long enough, especially Isaiah Man, you every week we're you know, we're going up against the biggest test ever, and I don't I don't think Sam Donald is that business. You know. I think that offensively, he's had some success versus some opponents that couldn't get anything going. And I think, just like like you were just saying, Pee that sometimes a

good offense can can help your defense. But they haven't faced any offenses at all, and the defenses have not been getting any help from them. So, like I don't want to put them in the same categories. Offensively, I can't as the Chargers are Tampa. But just relating to your question, yeah, I'm gonna have to leave it on that. But I just don't think that this is as talented as as a team as we're trying to make them out to. You still put them ahead of the Eagles.

I do you have to? I mean, because Sirianni couldn't even get plays together illegal man, do come on, man, this right? I think if the Eagles were to have a quarterback, I would put them ahead of Carolina. But Jalen Hurts proved again that he's not He's not there yet because it's not personnel for me. I really see. That's the thing though, what I like thee I like the Eagles personnel a lot, Nigger, I mean, I like the Eagles personnel. But I'm saying, like, it's not what

everybody thinks about football. Everybody think they think about just the straight up matchups. That's not the whole game. Sure, it's not the whole game. It's not at all. These guys have talent, of course, they have talent. Every team does, right. These guys have weapons on the outside, that can hurt you if you allow them to. They also have weapons on the inside at tight end that can hurt you if you allow them to. Say the same thing last week about the Eagles, I wasn't. I mean, yeah you can,

you can't say that. But again, but to that point, the officer corner, though, is the game changer. I agree, That's what I'm saying. It's not just about personnel, right. So yes, the Eagles has some had some guys that can hurt you if you allow them too. But it all was dependent on Hurts' ability to get out and throw the ball over your head. These guys are patient.

But the last week I said, Eagles weren't patient, right, and that show that show they had, they had, they had great drives and then all of a sudden, they all, let's take a shot interception. Okay, so they not patient. A Brown got to intercepting, Gigs got interception. This team's patient, and this team has not only the personnel, but they have the offensive coordinator to spread this thing around and they will find the holes and all that. So that's

why I'm saying their approach. The coaching is different, Our personnel is different, substantially on our defensive side of the ball. But what's the biggest difference our coordinator. Right. So people need to understand the power of offensive and defensive coordinates as well as special teams coordinators right, and their impact on the game, Their ability to take the talent that you have and put them in positions to be successful really can change the game. Why is Sam Arnold doing?

Why is he balling here? But he wasn't balling up there? Is it just because he did he had no guys around him all of a sudden. No, every team has has has some dudes. But if your officers acordades, it doesn't the Jets. I understand that. But if your offensive coordinatortion put you in a position to be successful, you're gonna suck. No, But I subscribe to the theory of schemes make players, and I've heard you say that before

and I agree. But I believe like for our defense facing them, it just feels like our base defense and what we do can best theirs as far as their scheme is concerned. And that's where dan Quinn comes in is simplifying the scheme and you have a anytime you can play from a bass and going back to Seattle. Seattle would play in the bass. They come out every game and they play zone, but you'd have the best. That's what we do on our base level, and teams couldn't do it right. So teams know right now six

or two percent playing man the man. We obviously we're gonna start. We're gonna play some man. I think from the front line on that's where they're in trouble. So all of the talk about you know, what Sam Donald is gonna do and DJ now, I'm not talking about you. I'm just saying in general, what Sam Donald is gonna do, DJ more and these guys that's taking the top off the offense. I just think our basse is gonna best what they do. He's tired hearing about Sam Donald. I am.

I don't like him, and I haven't brought Sam Donald up, not one time. I'm not. I'm not worried about Sam Darnold. I'm I'm I'm worried about the dog on oc That's what I'm worried about. And helmet then I'm just he got he's talking into the helmet, he got all lives. The twenty second mark, voice of guys, it's gonna be a battle. It's gonna be a hell. I am looking forward to this game more than I was looking forward to the Tampa game and we ran. We ranked them three.

Right in terms of their offense, what the Cowboys have seen so far, I'm not I'm not gassing them up that much, but I and I do think every team's gonna run into this. If the Cowboys are relatively healthy on offense, can you really match what they can do? And I there are very few teams on this schedule right now I look at and say, this is like a gonna be a fight to see who can get to thirty thirty five points? Yep. And I don't. I

don't think Caroline is one of those teams. But I think there are a team you gotta watch out for, especially if you turn the ball over and if you can't, you can't take the ball away from them because they have that has not happened yet. You know, if you get into one of these efficient games, it's going to be a close game because their defense. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Yep. But maybe the after Tampa, toughest challenge

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pay your freaking rent tomorrow. It's also true. Don't remind me we have an announcement to make about Say it with your chess Friday. Etma knows this. Chris Beam knows it because it was Chris Beam's idea, Rob p and I just left out. Yeah, you guys got left out for the first time in a long time. Oh goodness. So as a part of our prediction segments tomorrow on Talking Cowboys and Say It with your Chess Friday, the

fans will get a say. We will have a caller come in and participate from every week of the rest of the season in our pickums. So we're gonna throw out our games. We'll have at least six games a week, five non Cowboys, one Cowboys game, and we'll have our four picks. And starting tomorrow, we'll have the fans as have a representative every single week along the way. I

love that. And then we're gonna have the fans is a part of the standings as well, and we'll have competitions between each of the fans on one percentage throughout the years. It's like college game day kind of a little bit. But our guest picker is going to be a caller and you'll be live on the air with us. So get ready tomorrow, have the number ready. Pretty much the first caller that's back there Chris is going to answer the phone. That's that's the way it's gonna be. Yeah,

first one in there, Bob, get it. But he's going to clear the phone lines before the segment, and he can't call in at eight forty five and expect to be on There're He's going to clear the lines, and then right at that last segment he's gonna pick up the phone. Whoever that caller is is going to be our guest picker for this, Like it's like concert tickets. Yeah, a little bit, be the first sure and roll screenless, rolling screenless, that's one way to do it. But yeah,

so that's a love new aspect. I love that. Yeah, I love that, And I wish there are a few guys that come in on every show that I wish you would call in, like this my hype guy. I can't think his name, but every podcast this guy is on, love him, love his comments underneath all the But I want him to call in and do his own picks. Yeah, and I'm sure at some point he probably will because he's probably listening right now. Of course, I'm just saying

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rapid fire. Cowboys need to get pressure on Sam Darnold. Isaiah. You've talked about it throughout the week of You need that front forward to build pressure, even without guys like Watkins up front, without Dooran's Armstrong, of course, without DeMarcus Lawrence. Still, how do they do that? And can they do that against the Carolina front? The way in which Carolina attacks you is very difficult to get home to them until they empty out the backfield. And they want to empty

out the backfield. They like to go eleven personnel and detach the tight end, which makes it look like four wides, and they still have protection back there in the form of a running back. But as soon as you go back and watch the film, as soon as they actually empty out the backfield. They are very vulnerable. I would

I mean, I wonder, I actually wish. I need to go back and do the percentages and do the math on how many times they get sacked or pressure when there's only five man protection when they go five man, which they will get home because that's when they struggle. When they have another guy tight end back there or running back, they have help and they're okay, they'll still get the ball off, but as soon as they empty

it out, freaking you should be on high alert. You should be happy feet okay, straight, penguin toes tapping, ready to go to go get that quarterback. Yeah, penguin toes. There's a nice imagery there. And they do try to push the ball down the field. I mean I mentioned earlier Darnold is at eight point three yards per attempt. He's trying to push the ball down the field. U We know we talked about yesterday cam Irving as their

left tackle. There was some pressure on from the right side by Houston last week as well, So we'll see. I'm curious to see Modens are good tackle, but I'm curious to see what they do with Michael Parsons. Once again, we're gonna talk about this every single weekend, I think, at least until Tank comes back. Dan Quinn had mentioned on Tuesday, you know, the matchups with the quarterbacks the last two weeks. Mobile quarterbacks obviously hurts, and Herbert to

some extent played into that. How much of it is injuries though? How much because they're hurting up front? How much of it is the matchup? We'll see. He's awfully good at it, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him do more of it now. Dan Quinn has been good with this defense and keeping these guys on the hunt, and I expect him to take the same approach Unlesia dogs.

It makes hunting so much easier, easier, and you know, use that bazuka when you need to continue to get this pressure because I think all of the turnovers and everything that we love so much about this defense come from what these guys are doing upfront. But also get off the field on third down, yea, get off the field. Don't allow this offense to get any confidence to have these slow, methodical drives which the Panthers would benefit from.

Get off the field on third down, you know, and you know, I think Isaiah is he makes some really great points about this offense and how potent they are. I just feel like with the weapons that we have on defense, it's gonna be it's gonna be tough sledding for them, especially if we get home, like you said, and if our intention is to get home, we gotta get them. Can't miss can't miss it. Cowboys Carolina Panthers Sunday,

that'll be a matchup. But tomorrow we'll preview flipping the sides of the balls Cowboys offense with the Carolina defense, and it's say it with your chess Friday. Carolina defense currently ranks first in yards allowed per game, rushing yards allowed per game, and passing yards allowed per game. They are number one, not number two or three or four, number one in each of those three categories. So diles make fights. Let's see, yea, it's gonna be a fat

these guys both both sides of the ball. They be flying around. It's terms of it's gonna be. It's gonna be a very competitive, great game to watch. I can't wait. I cannot wait, I say, even like I said, even more so than the Tampa game, Can I go ahead? Tampa was like, can we compete with those guys because they're so good. This is more like this is two highly competitive teams tests going at it. You know, this

is freaking Lebron and Jordan in their heyday too. I'm just saying, I'm talking about two guys that are just just dog competitors, you know what I'm saying. They'd be going at it and who's gonna come out on top. I can't wait to see what you're pick gonna be tomorrow. You're like, itta leave you just hanging like, alright, that's gonna do it for us. You're all Talking Cowboys for heck My Harrison, Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips and Chris Beam in the backup Kyle Yeoman saying so long from

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