Talkin' Cowboys: Second-Year Jumps?

twenty twenty two. It is the final day of the month of May, which means we are getting closer and closer to the twenty twenty two NFL season, and we'll break down the first week of OTAs and a whole lot more here over the next hour. Back with the usual crew. Heck My Harrison, Isaiah stand Back, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. We've got Jazz in the back running the show for Chris Beam this week. And gentlemen, we're getting closer. You got to see a little bit of

a glimpse of football. You can get that little itch. Its starting to kind of get to that point where you feel like it's it's not right around the corner but it feels like it's getting there. One hundred days. Did you scratch the itch though a little bit? Yeah, it's just a quick scratch, A little tease is all it is. Yeah, But one hundred days to the season,

I believe exactly today? Is it one hundred today? Because according to Adam Schefter that was his scoop for the morning, Oh to the season, Cowboys got one hundred and three games earth days till their game. Okay, how many days do we have to count, Kyle? I don't want to talk about it. Less less than one hundred a lot less days days we're there. I had my math wrong a couple of times because I was thinking seventy days, but I turned that into seven weeks and not the

right man. That's okay, it's more than seven weeks. I'll tell you that much. I guess last time. It was nine and a half weeks last week, so that would make it eight and a half weeks from you guys in some Memorial days too. Oh, it's amazing high quality. Why are you talking about the can of the day blue? You can't get over the fact that it's in a can. Yeah, I feel like stone cold, but like really not smash together. You saw it. You saw the stone cold smash. I

mean this is high quality. I don't know if it's better because it's in a can or Steve Wiser's good stuff. Man, Sorry, he's just trying. Memorial Day deal. This I got down Memorial Day and I l deals it's working its way to the steadfast eligibility. Yeah, how was your Memorial Day? It's good? Yeah, that's good. It's just chilling. You know. I got a green thumb over the weekend. Who rubs? Yeah yeah, down some some trees and such and got completely eight up. But yeah, man, I got rewarded, you

know for all of my hard work. You know, got loo to dinner and all of that. Yes, Nikki, I did a good thing. And that's a show right home. And of course honoring all of the men and women that have fallen in our arm for throughout the years. So it was it was a great weekend, but we also got to keep in mind why it was there. Let's take a look at some of the news and notes from our cowboys first week of OTAs anything pop

out of their rock. Yeah, I mean it was a like you said, it's scratched a little bit of an itch, you know, finally get him on the field, watch some guys in nonpad situations. Um, you got to see a little glimpse of what the offense looks like without Amari Cooper. But it's gonna be a little bit till we see the full core because you got guys dealing with some stuff.

So you had Dak Prescott out there without James Washington, without Jalen Tolbert, without Michael Gallup, So it was, you know, you got to project a little bit, but you know it was it was nice to see guys just back on the field doing some stuff. And they've got two of them this week, only two coming off the long weekend, and man, in two weeks from now they got the

mini camp, then they're out out for the summer. Now what that was going on with Jalen Tolbert, Pee, You gotta give me some information on this because I think that's where Cowboy fans were just freaking out that he

started off with the it's rid jersey, yellow jersey, whatever jersey. Yeah, he was doing some stuff with Britt Brown, Cowboys director of Rehabilitation, which I think it's more fun to practice than it is at work with britt most of the time sounds like he's probably I think it's a little bit of a hamstring, And Mike McCarthy said he might be back on the field this week, so they don't think it's anything serious. James Washington was in a boot.

They didn't really provide much detail on why. But he may be back in the next couple weeks. If not, I would say by training camp. But they may be may be something that they're just going to be careful with up Loxnar. We'll see. But but you're you're starting three receivers during these drills, and they did a lot of situational stuff. It was an installed day. They did

some two minute type stuff offensively and defensively. You had Noah Brown and Simon Fojoko as you're starting outside receivers with the first team, and you had CD working inside, which is what he's done for the duration of his career mostly so far, so had to adjust. And no Tyrant Smith either, at least in that practice that we saw last week, is back tightened up on him. So you had Matt Well let's go and Josh Ball getting

first team reps. Yeah, I think you look at what Heckman is talking about freaking out about Jaylen Tilbert, and it's easy to have that overreaction after the first OTAs

and guys are out. But I think the one where, one place that that's founded is the fact that Tyron Smith already is having some kind of back tightness and there's just something there and it's lingering into this offseason and it continues to be a storyline because I mean, that's what the storyline has been, is how healthy is Tyrn Smith going to be able to stay throughout an entire off season and end of the regular season. And the answer so far as he's still missing a little

bit of time. I got so much to put on our plate already, and I mean, here we are in May and we're talking about back tightness. I'm not worried about it. Good guys, I really am not. Nobody really should be. Let's I mean, here's the thing, because we know he's gonna miss some games, let's just put that in our heads. Last season, I believe he played eleven games, eleven games and six mixed six. So let's say the over under this year, if we get thirteen, we're good.

And I think the swing tackle positioning you just got to insert X Files music right there, because we can't we figure out who the swing tackle is. And it's the biggest mystery going into camp who is going to be the swing tackle? And not enough has been made about it, seriously, not enough it's been made about it because we've got to figure that part out, especially if we've let well let go of some our right tackle now we have still we don't even have them and

as an option anymore to be our swing tackle. So those are just some of the bigger lingering questions about up front. And I know that's something that worries you as well. It definitely worries me. That's a position that you wanted to share up this offseason. They haven't done so yet. There's still a lot of time. We still have a couple of months before camp. I'm as swimming seven eight weeks and running that's something, So there's still time.

And I think that that's a position that they're going to have to address along with some other positions, especially as some of these injuries kind of linger around. It's it's if you're going to sustain some of these soft tissue injuries and things in a nature. First of all,

Cowboys Nation. Soft tissue injuries around this time of the year is expected, especially for rickies seemingly seemingly just front of a standpoint that they're coming off of training for specific drills and now all of a sudden, they're coming out of training for months on end for those specific drills forty broad jump, all those things, and now they're

going to transition straight into playing football again. You're going to sustain some soft tissue injuries because you're moving in multiple facts, right, You're moving in different angles, you're planning, you're cutting, you're celerating, you're taking on resistance from other guys. Now you're going to sustain some of those injuries until your body adapts back into that environment again. So it's okay, Tobra will be fine watching all these guys will be

perfectly fine. However, you want to see what the moves of Cowboys are going to make going into this summer because you want to have that depth, that depth, that that confidence that you had last season. Hey, if somebody goes down, there's somebody else like a step up, or hey we have a game plan. If if Tyrant goes down, we can swing. That doesn't seem to really be in play right now, So I think that's an area that they're gonna have to shore up between now and the

time training camp begins. I mean, we talked about this last week and problem spots and what's your biggest one. I said, swing tackle, just because, to Heck's point, that's a starting position based on history for at least three games over the last five years, and they have not, to Isaiah's point, have not signed a veteran for that

role like they've normally done. And if you listen, if you believe Jerry Jones at the draft, he said, they're out of that market because they have three young tackles that they like and they want to see now based on performance slash injuries. You can change your opinion of that and try to go out and find a guy. But they've invested draft picks in Josh Ball, Matt Will Let's go this year, and then Tyler Smith depending on if he's a guard, Okay, take him out of that,

he's left guard. But they're all in that mix, and I guess they're just gonna see it through. And I'm not worried about Tyrn Smith with the back last week, Like if you've got anything and you're going to be a key role player starter, they're gonna hold you out. Olsa had a little thigh thing that happened in OTA's last week. They held him out of the open one that people don't know you're a back sympathizer. Yeah, big time. I got two herniations back there, So I mean it sucks.

We are we are and like if it doesn't go away, this is this has been a thing for Dak for not Dak, for Tyrone for for years in training camp.

He'll take these maintenance days. So um. But yeah, they they they they've got youth there that they've got to find who's gonna step up there, and maybe it's Josh Ball my fear and I understand that you want to have trust and you want to have faith into your scouting department, into your coaches to be able to develop to talent, give your talent an opportunity to actually, uh you know, to you know, get their legs underneath them and say, hey, we're gonna we're gonna rest assure it

on the guys that we have. I get that thinking and I understand it from the perspective of the front office. However, the worst case scenario is you're going through camp, guys, do okay, Now, all of a sudden, there's three preseason games. Three yep. Correct. You get to the first prison game, you're like, crap, and it's not what I thought, or it's not what I was hoping for, And all of a sudden, now you got two weeks to try to

feel the spot before a season for depth. Right. I don't like that position because there are going to be a lot of other teams probably in that same boat. They're gonna be trying to fish out that same pool, and their fish just may not be there. So I am from the standpoint of I would prefer they secure that now, right. I know what Double Jay said. I would rather secure that now in a very friendly manner

in terms of your contracts and all that jazz. Protect yourself just in case, right, And I guess what if you're young, guys panned out? It's the league, Okay, we understand, guys get cut all the time, fired however you want to look at it. It It sucks. It's a part of the business, guys understand, and you hope that they get up other opportunities, but you at least protect yourself at

all times. Real quick, I wonder if it's salary to in part because they've they've spent up to I don't know, two three million on a swing tackle in the past, whether it was Cam Irving, Cam Fleming, and you know, dollars last year. Yeah, dollars are precious right now for them. And if you've got to I mean, you don't want to play around with this position. But if you've got a rookie that can win the job on much less than that, or a young player like Ball, maybe you

do that. You know, I think when Jerry made the statement, I took it as you know, another jerryism, and that situation is fluid. They understand the investment that they have in Dak Prescott, and you go back over the last season, I think some of your your the lull or when the production started to swing down, was when you had that musical chair situation started to happen up front. Again, nobody's gonna give a give Dak that excuse or the

Cowboys that excuse. But that's the problem that they've had, and maybe the dollars have something to do with it. But I gotta, I really gotta agree with the front office with this. When you put invest those picks you have Ball, y'all. FORNI act, like you just mentioned, you have to rely on the development of those players, and I think they feel like they have those guys to the point where, you know, look, I don't have to go out here and get three million, four million dollars

swing tackle to come in here. And maybe I think the rules that the rule changes with guys that are going to the practice squad. Now, like we talked about last year, teams are now able to hoard all of their offensive line then left tackles. If you look like a left tackle go to the street. It's not happening.

I mean, I would be surprised if it's Matt will Let's go Kyle swing tack right away this year coming out of North Dakota, and he had and I'm not saying this is gonna be his life or his career, but he had a welcome to the Fell moment in OTA's last week where Micael put him on his rear end, you know, and he's one on one passengers and that's

just part of it. But like there's some there's some development that he's going to have to have um and maybe it's again Josh Ball at least has been in the program for a year and they like his ability and maybe that's the guy they're looking to try to seize it this year. Yeah. I think if Matt will Let's Go is the selection for the swing tackle or if he's the guy, then that says two things. One they don't feel super confident on anybody that's out in

the open market. And two that's really it's not a good sign for Josh Ball because, like you said, he's been in it, he's been around, he's been in the system, He's had time to win that job plent times in the past. If Matt wi Letsko comes in as a fifth round pick and it's like, oh my gosh, here he is, Here's he's the guy, that's all a little bit of an issue. I would be. That would be where I'm looking at Isaiah across the table and saying,

they don't feel comfortable with what they've got it. What's you guys his preference? Would you guys rather go into camp currently with what who you have on a roster? Would you like to solidify that by grabbing a veteran specifically specific just in case, I'd love to get a veteran Okay, just in case is mine I lived there? Okay, Yeah, because like we haven't seen we haven't even seen Josh Ball really like he didn't He did not participate in a preseason game last year because he heard his ankle

the second week of camp. So they like him, but we haven't We haven't seen it, so and they haven't seen it. So you guys running just in case, you guys are seeing nixt just in case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I think getting a veteran tackle would certainly

benefit the entire roster all the way through. So that's that's definitely something that'll be on their mind while we're talking about some of the negatives in terms of health and question marks around that offense in OTAs, let's flip it. Here's a positive, the fact that Dak Prescott is completely healthy in this offseason for the first time in two years. Yeah, crack open that ice cold day, Jean blue Water in

a camp, cheers everybody to Dak Prescott being held at everybody. Hey, so what kind of impact does that give Isaiah on an offense on a team when your leader is not only back, he's in the room, he's in those meetings, and he's fully capable of contributing. But also he is fully healthy, and he's looking better than he has in probably two years. It makes you feel good. I mean, stress lovers are low. I just finished watching Obi Kenobi in first two episodes. You know, and Obie's back. You

know he's back. You know did Obi Gonobia the Dallas Cowboys is back. And he's the man. He's the leader of this offense. He's a leader of this organization. And you know, you think Jerry Jones and you think Dak Prescott. Those are the two people when you think about, well, you got w j up top, and you got you got Dack down here on the underground level. And when he's healthy, you don't have to worry about the what ifs. You don't have to worry about all His office is

gonna look okay? Are they gonna have some continuity? Are these guys didn't get the information relayed? How is there? You know, are these guys gonna be in sync as new receivers the tight ends or how is it gonna flow? You? All those worries that you had before kind of go away, and you're able to look at the production that he had last year and identify. Okay, this is what he did well. This is he had some lolls when he wasn't healthy. Okay, So if we eliminate those, what does

his offense look like? Because we understand that this offense can only go as far as Dak's health goes. You can work around a lot of other things in this offense. If Dad's not healthy, you're on the struggle bus. I don't care who the heck you got back there. So it's awesome that he's healthy. It's awesome that he's able to get this work full speed reps with his new guys, his new acquisitions, because they're gonna need that going into camp. No. I you know, I talk about Dac all day. You

hate me to talk about Dad. I mean it's look, I feel as though last season the disadvantage was coming into OTAs that he wasn't healthy. You didn't know what version of Dak you were going to get. So coming into the seventh season, I think you feel a lot comfortable knowing that he has a full off season. Now, he's getting healthier, The ankle should be a lot better. All of the information that he's been getting talking about from the doctors and saying that you'll be much better

from this injury in your second season. So I'm looking for that. The Cowboys need that and so but I'm with you. If his health ain't right, this whole thing ain't right. And I mean, all of your investment is put there in him, and the amount of money that he demands as a salary as a Dallas Cowboys quarterback is astronomical and you have to build around that. I feel I want Dak to go scorched earth this year, I really do. I want him to have the kind of season where he is playing some of the top

tier quarterbacks in this league. He burned them down and that's what he has to do to get to the end of the season this time next year. So for all those nay says, and I know none of the guys they say they don't care about that, but he's got to shut some people up and legit. His numbers

mean nothing. The way that people judge Dak, they judge him in quarters of the season at the time over the last eight games on that first two, you know, whatever it is against teams with five hundred teams with this his record, what's gonna stand for Dak is having that productive season as a quarterback, you know, not throwing

a whole bunch of interceptions. Maybe he's gotten close to the five thousand at once back in the day, but his health his paramount, and talking about the offensive line health and who they're gonna have at that swing tackle and all up front is going to be important as well, because you have to keep him standing up in this offense that's demanding him to throw a lot of balls. So this is his season, that seven in his seventh season,

this is as hot as it gets underneath him. I agree he's the kid of the season because he plays quarterback, and you saw with Joe Burrow, who has some nice pieces players around him. But you know, if your quarterback is balling out and having like a generational special season, that can change the whole dynamic of your offense, your team. You can mask some things that are weaknesses on your team.

And they're in a situation now where they're in transition with their receivers and the best quarterbacks in the league Isai has played with some can elevate guys to become better players just by playing with a great quarterback. And that's that's you know, without Amari that's I think CD has already got a Pro Bowl right, he can be a great player, but there are some questions beyond CD, and obviously CD stepping into a new role. So there's that.

I think him coming back healthy this offseason. It's really two offseasons now where now he's back to a normal one because the whole team didn't even have offseason workouts two years ago. Last year, it's the stuff that we don't always see. It's it's them working out on their own together and building a rapport away from the team that he didn't get to really do last year because he's focusing on his leg. And last year, at least you had kind of your exact receiving core intact. This year,

you don't. This year. You've got a rookie third round pick who's got a lot of talent, but they may ask him to be starter week one. James Washington is new CDs in a new position. He's playing flanker now, like you need Dak on the field, working through all that stuff, and so it's huge that he's healthy. He brought up a great point because yeah, it's been two off seasons since Dak has really been back in this role.

But even Mike McCarthy's talked about it. It's been three seasons now since you've really had a normal off season, and Dak can step into that leadership role in person, in front of these guys, have these conversations, the intent that he has as the starting quarterback to be a guy who elevates the games of others. And you look up and down and Hecka mentioned at a moment ago I was curious to see some of the quarterbacks that the Cowboys play on their roster or on their schedule

rather throughout the season. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Joe Burrow, and a lot of those are at the early part of the season. With those, especially with Brady, Stafford and Burrow, all within the first five weeks of the regular season, you're going to figure out just what kind of moxie Dak Prescott has in year number seven, just what kind of step he's going to take, And

you're gonna find out early on in the year. But when you look at the rest of these quarterbacks, Matt Ryan Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Carson Wins, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Jared Goff, justin Fields, Daniel Jones, and Davis Mills. There's no reason, no reason Dak Prescott shouldn't be better than every single one of those last names I just mentioned. He should be the best quarterback on the field in those games, which in that case provides you with a

great chance to win. Facts. And you know, and I know he's spoken a lot on this show in particular, you know about Heck's Dak. You know Hex Dack. I'm gonna call him. I likes be careful with saying that's uh. But in terms of the respect that he has or like thereof that Dak has around the league, and I and I think that what you're seeing over these past two seasons, they're putting him up against Tom Brady's the

last two years, first games, first game. So I don't think that anybody is looking at dec as lesser than I think. They're putting him up against the greatest that there ever has been to see what he is. And I think there's no quikadink that all of a sudden, the Dallas Cowboys just have Tampa Bay Buccaneers is not divisional WHOA, this is out of out of division, facing these guys, the first game of the season to kick the year off. No, no, no, quikadink there, Joe Burrow

right afterwards. Yeah yeah, So, I mean to your point, Dak has respect around the league. He just has to back it up. Man. Yeah, he's got that national respect. But now it's time to take that step forward. It's not about respect anymore. It's about winning. Is ultimately the case, and you got to do it in the postseason. You can't just go twelve and five again, because we've already seen that's going to frustrate it quite a bit of people along the way. All right, let's take our first

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Slash Home Dash Run Dash Derby to learn more. So we got some news here Dash Dash got some news to two issues of news and I'm breaking this. I haven't even announced this on social media yet. So this is an exclusive for you talking Cowboys listeners out there. Two things exclusive exclusive. The first one is that I will be hosting the Home Run Derby by Baby. I'm seeing the Home Run Derby and my co host for the Home Run Derby. Baby. I'm really excited about this. Okay,

is my fiance Lorina Skumo? How about that she actually holded she she hosted this event. She hosted this event way back whin she used to work for the Rough Riders and she's she's like a live on field on court host. She does like the Texas Legends and stuff. She's hosted this event way back when, and they're bringing her back and we're gonna host it together, so power couple. It'd be really fun. The second one is that I'm swinging for the fences, Baby, We're swinging. They let me

get a bat. I'm gonna put it up there and we're gonna hit some bombs. Don't say I've already got the blisters on my hands. I'm already hit the bat and cage. We're rolling. I got into the back, got that, got that launch angle. Yeah, no, we're going back. I'll go with you. What's your exit like? At least one one tin? That's good. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. What's your walk up music? You know, I haven't chosen it yet. I gotta send an email today. Anybody have

any suggestions, Please let me know. Actually met the text. Heck, I was gonna see what he thought about it. Anything. I don't have nothing, man, I'm just that is that is really it's gonna be really fun. Yes, and it's all for charity. You get to see the Cowboys players. That's the important part about it. But it is fun that I'm I'm gonna win the thing. Oh yeah, I'm gonna win the thing because there's a there's a media session beforehand. I'm gonna go win it. So yeah, and

it's all for charity. It's gonna be a whole lot of fun. I'll let you know what the charity is next week and we'll get the walk up song and everything so it'd be fun all right once again Tuesday, June seventh, for that reliant jacked up for this, dude, I am pumped for this. I think it's gonna be a great night at the ballpark, all right. I'm teased to going into the break as always. Who takes the year to jump here for the Dallas Cowboys. There's a

lot of names on that list. Micah Parsons, of course, he had a great rookie year. What kind of step can he take in year two? Kelvin Joseph can he be a starter? Chauncey Golstons, Diggi Zua, Nay, Shaun Wright, all third rounders a year ago, all need to take that next step. Golston, in his first healthy off season, has put on twenty eight pounds. Is what he told me. They were gonna use him inside, They're gonna use him outside. He's gonna be a three technique, five technique. He'll be

an edge rusher all over that defensive line. Chauncey Golston looking at a new role and then also thinky ZOA. A lot of people think he could be the guy to take that next step and be an impact player. Heckmon when you look at the guy's entering year two, who's the most likely to take that jump for you? You know, I love what you said about about Gholston and I love the way they're using him in his flexibility right now upfront. I mean, as a as A said in your Player, I think he can be one

of those diversified pieces on your defensive line. And I don't think a lot of people are even looking for him talking about because of his length. He's I think he gonna be a really disruptive for us. So I saw a little bit of him last year and OTAs him and Armstrong doing the you know, twisting stunts with each other. They don't keep him all the way inside. They bring him back outside for stuff like that. But that's the way that our defense has really been put together.

So him, Joseph, also dig Zuo, all of these guys, they have to make the jumper. Come on, now, what what's understood don't have to be stated. It's gotta be Micah Puder. The thing is is that as an organization, you I mean, like this or just drop it in their turn? How you got to do it. But it's it's got to be one of those situations with micah Um where eighty four tackles last season, thirteen sacks. The

guy had a monster rookie season. Um the this this franchise needs him to be bigger and better than what he was last year. Now, I hope no one forgets that he's a better edge rusher, that he is a linebacker. We got twenty nine minutes. He's a better edge rusher, and I hope they don't forget that with it's time to start talking about the contract, because that's where he is so disruptive. But I love the way that dan Quinn uses him blitzing from the middle of the defense

even when he is in the linebacker position. Pee, you brought me around to him in coverage and his coverage ability. Going back over the season, you see a lot of his ability to track in space, and that's just I mean, the guy is so talented. Sometimes this is like, all right, how do we exactly use him? And I think this year you're able to hone in. But he's the one guy out of all those guys that you absolutely need to make the biggest jump. What do you think? Yeah, No,

I love it. I didn't know if we could we could use Mike as an example, because he had one of the best rookie seasons we have ever seen in the National Football League already. But I think he's right, like there's another level for him. And I'm reminded of like the hard knock segments when he's working with DeMarcus Ware during training camp last year and then he's thrown into that part of his job and did it so well.

Like if he can refine that, like that part of his game, the pass rushing stuff, like how good can he be? Because I think a lot of it he's not just doing it on He's not freelancing out there, but that's not something he's he worked exclusively or necessarily diligently at last year. He's, like he said, he's trying to do a lot of different things. His first game at Tampa Bay, he's covering four net and gronk out of the backfield or you know, and covering tight ends

and backs. So that to me could be the next step for him. For another guy, I would say, Osa, I think they're very excited about him. Um. I ran into him in the lunch room a couple of weeks ago. I was like, man, I almost didn't recognize he's put on weight strength. You can see the difference. And they were really impressed with what he did in year one and think he can be a long time starter for them. I got two names. Why don't e side of the

ball that's good Neville Gallimore. Okay, technically year three, but I'll give it him to be a dog. He missed it to you. I I need him to be a dog. I think he's in that same category as Oosa for sure. Yeah. Yeah, And I don't mean my other name is not a rookie either. I mean, I gotta go with this is most important. This is that we just I mean, I'm saying anybody, but you just kind of pass. I'm blowing

right through that. I mean, just to what you gotta Yeah, I mean second year, jump third, seventeen years, listen here, I don't listen. Just Gallimore needs to be a dog. Yeah, okay, and I'm jumping to CD. I don't care what year it is for him. CD needs to be a dog because this is really his first year as a number one. So, yeah,

he's been playing underneath it. Yeah, he's been productive in all those jazz but he still has a lot of things that he needs to clean up in order to be respected and regarded as a number one in this league. Not to say that he's not a very productive, really good receiver, but everybody knows the laite that he needs to take. But come on, give it to us, how you know, Like when these cameras is off and these mix is off, you give us something different. Now, come down.

I'm saying how I say it. CD needs to be a dolt CD, And I said that last week. CD is not card it around the league as a number one receiver. It's not to say that he can't be a number one receiver. And I know the question they follow up question is gonna be like, well, what doesn't what does he need to do in order to be that? He needs to be feared by every team that faces him. I don't feel as if teams feel the need to double team him all the time. Yet I see what

heck him is trying to pull out. I know he's trying to do and I'm gonna I'm gonna ask the same question, do you think he can do that? Do you specifically, Isaiah stand back on this table here May thirty, first of twenty twenty two. Do you believe Ceedee Lamb can do that. You want he be that number one? He wants commercial break, Isaiah, I believe the children of stop stalling. Answer question, Yes, I do. I do believe

though I believe he can. Will he is a question, and I think that's a question that nobody has an answered for a set for a CD. Is he fully capable? That dude has the physical attributes, he has the side, he has everything right, he has all the skill sets, he has a quarterback, he has everything that the officer, a coordinator. Everything is in place for him to be a complete dog in his league. I just want to

see him do it. When I spoke last time about his willingness or whether or not he's really take that leap, it was in regards to how he handled himself and how his mannerisms as a leader, from what we've seen to date, doesn't portray what you consider to be a leader. Antonio Brown is an absolute dog, one of the most feared people in his league when he's playing right. But

he's nobody's gonna say he's a leader. Okay, So when you start seeing some of these things where he's throwing his hands up and he's frustrated, and he's walking off the field, and he's sitting on the end of the bench and all these things. He can't do that when you're number one. Those are the things that I'm talking about in terms of that leap. I don't know the man personally. I can't speak to him. I can just only speak to what I've seen. He has to make

those adjustments going forward. He's now gonna have to take the responsibility of not only I have to perform, but also now I have to hold everybody else to a higher standard of performance as well, because it's not going to be allowed for us just to be simply mediocre. Ye, there's a lot that comes with being a leader now. And the thing is that just being around you, I know that you don't judge wide receivers on the curve either you are aren't, And that's just kind of black

and white in that regard. And I think for Ceedee Lamb, I agree with you, he has the potential, he has the capacity to be that. When you look around the league, when you started talking about the top guys, it's justin Jefferson, it's Jamar Chase's Cup, it's Digs, it's guys like that, But Ceedee Lamb fits right at You don't get far after Adams and guys like that before you have to

insert Ceedee Lamb. His first year in the league. I think if him and Dak were able to play that full year together, I think we wouldn't even be having this conversation. He finished with nine thirty five I believe in his first season, which is close right eleven hundred last year in a full season with that well miss one game, but still still the second most yards by a receiver in the first two years of a season, only buying Bob Hayes'. And that's that's different games. That's

the guy they called bullet Bob. Yes, you know, I'll let you so. I mean the numbers, the production, even with I believe his catches, I mean he has catches than any of the receiver up into this point. So he's doing a lot of things for the organization that's been here for a long time. But you're right, when you start looking at the cream of the crop, that's the same thing that we're talking about with Dak. All Right, everybody kind of revers him. That's kind of neat underneath,

he has the same thing going on here. He cd is gonna go up against some guys that that luck man from a defensive backstandpoint, even his contemporaries across from him, he has an opportunity to set himself apart from them, and I just want to see him do it. Yeah, if you get you forget how young he is, because

he's twenty three. And the first when I walked up for his interview, the first thing he was talking about was last Wednesday, was he put on ten pounds of masks lean muscle, and he said he grew half an inch. Which it's like that's he's still growing, you know, like that's that's high school stuff, you know, that's that's He's a young guy who's got room to grow. And there are technical parts of his game. He's gonna be playing a new position. Drops were a thing, have been a

thing for two years. And I asked him specifically, A said, I asked him about leadership, and he talked about that. The importance of that, and I think some of it too, is he's with a new position with new responsibility. He's not gonna be sneaking up on anybody. There's gonna be more coverage rolled to him, probably Um, he's because he's the focal point. And so how do you handle that? How do you how do you adjust to that, prevent frustration?

How do you lift other guys up? Be the guy in the room, because I think what happens in the room is something fans don't see either who who's and that's something guys talked about Amari was. Amari wasn't an outspoken guy, but Amari was a guy who would pull you aside and talk to guys and give guys, give guys help. And so at twenty three years old, he's there.

He and MG are gonna be asked to do that. Yeah, it's a lot to bear and and that's when we start talking about his development, particularly in regards to CD. I think the majority of his development has to come into format between his ears. That's where his development has to come. And that's in term of his understanding of

a game. That's his understanding and his role in this particular offense, his role as a leader, right, the battles that he has within emotionally, his emotional maturity, all those things that I've spoken about other players in the past. That's where his development has to come. It's not the physical the drops, that's reps. Go, get on the juggs machine, whatever it is, get rid of that. Okay, getting in continuity with your quarterback, all that jazz, that stuff, easy boom.

We know his physical attributes will be there. It's the mental aspect that he has to make the biggest leap. And it's a lot to bear. I'm not saying it's easy. It's a lot to freaking bear when somebody that you've been you've been underneath a Maria Cooper for your first few years, and all of a sudden, he's gone, and you're like, oh crap, it's on me. But let me

ask you this. I think for most of these young guys, it's you were talking about the soft tissue issues the guys are having on the field because they've been preparing a certain way. I think it's the approach to the pro game for these young guys when they come in from rookies, that change that you have. Now your time is your own, so are you spending its studying or you know, so approach to the game I think is

what basically that you're talking about. But I don't think that CD views himself as a guy that was living underneath the Mark Cooper. I think he came through the door with the expectation were in two aids that Hey, I'm a man around here. I just gotta show y'all that what I am. And so he has the look.

He has a ton of ability. I believe that Kellen Moore right now, his offense, the passing game, part of his offense, he can expand so much more on because you don't ideally have that one guy that offenses well, defense can say we're gonna definitely take him away. Well, you don't have that piece anymore. You don't have the guys that you know. So you can move Cede Lamb around a lot more. He doesn't have to be the guy on the outside. He can move all the way through.

But you're gonna have to have some healthy pieces. That's where the wide receiver room. You gotta get more guys in and around him, you know. So look, I just believe he can do it. I think his approach to the game is gonna be there. But God, why didn't you let me grow half it? Some guys get all the break. Do you guys feel that he's a mandatory double team status? Shit? Uh No, But I don't think he's far off. Like, I don't think teams like you said, are gonna say, oh man, we got a double team him.

Let's let's go single coverage everybody else he's double teamed on this backside. I don't think he's there yet. But if he comes out and he plays really well the first two or three weeks of the season, it's not gonna be a quick quick trigger. It will be a quick trigger for teams to put him in that category. He showed flashes that he can be that. Like the New England game, you're like, yeah, okay, this this is special. Like so, it's the consistency, and it's also being, like

you said, being the guy. He I know it's just an interview, but he sure sounded like a guy who's super excited, like I've been ready, I'm motivated to do this. Dak's gonna stay on him, I think, because that's maybe day. Yeah, that's where Dax's leadership comes in. He's like, your locker's next to mine. We're I mean, this is this is gonna be the one two punch ship going forward. Yeah, exactly, So we'll see, uh, we'll see where it goes. But but yeah, I mean this is that's a huge key

and CDs a year. I'm excited for him, man, I'm excited. It's a great opportunity. You know that everybody else around him put a lot of pressure on him. I don't know him again to know what his mental state was when he first, you know, was brought on to his organization. But obviously everybody else through that pressure on him by giving him an eighty eight automatic, yep, automatic, everybody else

through the weight of the world out him. Cool. The boy had his jam sport on him, right, So, and then all of a sudden, you know, he puts out a good first season. Boom, that's even more backage. Okay, coming into year or two. All right, now he's bought out again. Boom. Now all of a sudden, maor he's gone. That boy's backpack's heavy, right, his backpack's heavy. That's why he put the sponsors. Come on, man, that's why he put the extra ten pounds of got He got to

stand up. He got to carry that weight. And now it's time to show up and say can you carry that weight? And are you willing to carry the weight. But because I know you watch a lot of the NFL anyway, like when you go to like the Rams, Yeah, you have a Cooper cup that everybody mean, MoMA know he's gonna get the ball. But you gotta have a two that can be qualified as well to carry that. And I think that's been the difference in the one A one aspect of the wide receiver group here at

the Dallas Cowboys. So if CD can be that, then everybody else can eat. Tober can eat, Gallup can eat. All the other guys can eat behind that. That's that's a very valid point that you brought up. The number two, Gallup, Washington, whoever it is starting out Katober has to be dang neared as as productive as as a number one in this offense. Reason being when the defense has decide to roll coverage, when they decide to start changing up what they want to do, your number two has to be

able to act as a as a one. Now he has to be a He has to be capable, right, not just willing. He has to be capable of exploiting the defense as a one B would. And I think that's what the Dallas Cowboys had with an Amari Cooper and CD Lamb. Or you want to roll the coop. Don't worry about it. We got CD over here. Now you're in a position now or you want to roll to CD. What do we have? We got to wait

and see. Yeah, because that's this is a great point because the number two receiver led the team in receiving last year, and that's that is. It goes back to Jason Garrett's time here. It's we're gonna take what the defense gives us. We're not going to force feed things.

And like to Cooper Cup that the last two minutes of the Super Bowl was the example of what people want to see here at times where it's like who cares like we're going to him the seasons on the line, yep, you know, and they have not operated like that really with this offense. They haven't needed to. At some point they might need to, especially with CD at the top

of that depth chart. Whenever we get to the wide receivers and we don't know who's available going into the first couple weeks of the season, it may be heavily on CD moving into moving into that early part of the regular season, all right, when we come back. There's been some buzz around the NFL lately Roger Goodell talked about maybe getting rid of the Pro Bowl, or at

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this week. No, yeah, I was terrified. I had them in my cupholder and I cleaned my truck out and then I came back later and they weren't in my cupholder, and I, legit heart dropped. I found them later. I had somehow put them in, uh, in my gym bag, like without thinking about it, and I found them in my gym bag later, which I never do. Your merse, Yeah, the merse, That's what it was. But UH got them back as you can see wearing them. We love our

friends over at Sachel. It is a satchel, Thank you, Rob. It's not a merse. It might be uh NFL looking to change the Pro Bowl potentially. Roger Goodell spoke on it this past week and it's got a lot of people brainstorming some ideas. I thought we could have a part of this to end out our show in the final month or final show for the month of May, and I wanted to get creative with it. So let's say the game is next. Let's say they go away from this game, which, by the way, Isaiah, do you

do you want the game to go away? Do you want to see it continue on? Like? What's your opinion on that? Before we get into the creativity. I think the Pro Bowl selection needs to continue because it's such a highly acclaimed thing in the league. Like that's something you are going after, right, you're bawling out for your team, but you also that's the self accolade portion of it. And guys get paid off of Pro Bowl based upon

your Pro Bowl selection, Hall of Fame credentials one day too. Absolutely, so I think that aspect needs to continue. I do think we are in a different age of athlete in terms of back in the day, guys played for pride, guys played for bragging rides like and it was no matter what. Pickup basketball was the thing. I can't tell you the last time I've seen anybody even playing pick up basketball. I haven't seen the kids on the street no more so. The game is different, right, the generation

is different. Now it's based upon my salaries and how much money can I make. That's not to say that guys aren't competing. It's just to say that their motives are a little bit different than what they used to be. When you know, you you calling me a punk or something like that back in the day would get me up. Hey, forget that. We are just go head up one on one. Now it's like oh you point, like okay, whatever, or now it's like if I'll pay you, okay, now, let's

talk about it. Now, let's talk about So money is a motivator now and the league has has transitioned to that. I just think that these guys that are playing now aren't motivated by just pure competition anymore. So from that standpoint, I think the game needs to start doing them away. I would be more up to see guys compete in regards to just skills challenges, and they have some of that, But if it puts guys at risk, it at getting injured, They're not gonna do it. Because the motivator is money.

I'm not gonna put myself in a position to lose money. But I know when it changed. It changed back in the day. I don't remember the year. I was watching the Skills Challenge back when Larry Allen those guys should do bench prance and all that jazz. Tony Gonzalez was doing like a little um, a little catching, catching, a little circuit. They're trying to see how many balls they can catch right in a certain amount of time. And he quit in the middle of it. And I remember

watching this. He quit in the middle of it because his fingers started getting jammed up, and he's like, oh no, I'm not doing this no more. He just walked off, and I remember looking at Tony and I lost so much respect for him. For Tony g I don't give him Hall of Famer. I lost so much respect. I'm here in that moment because I'm a competitor. I'm like,

you don't stop, you don't stop. But at that moment, I was like, it's gonna change forever, because now guys are gonna be thinking about, oh, I can get injured all the sudden. And I remember that, I distinctively. I remember that, and now that's what guys are concerned about. When we watched the forty yard Dash, you year, where guys running full speed Tyreek no no, Michael was Michael was haul until he's a competitor, right, he cares about that projec. But other guys were like, I'm not trying

to hurt my hammy. Right. So if you took the defensive guys and had them hit hit up moving those moving bags that they have remote controls now and measure how much power, I think guys would do that. Yeah, I think guys would do that. How HARKing guys here? Who has the sweetest back pedal? You know, things like that. I think there's a way to get creative with the skills side. But in terms of the game, the game is gone, y'all. You're talking about that. The science of football, yeah,

get the GPS on. I like that. Yeah, the physical weight of force or whatever's happening. Yeah, yeah, all of that to me sucks. And I hate to sound like that. It does. I'm sorry, I just I hate to sound

like that. Back in the day, I tell you, I'm on the back in the day train, you know, and I'm I'm used to seeing guys go to Hawaii and play their guts out, and like you said, for pride, and and you know, man, I get in this generational argument with my fifteen year old time, and it just you know what it does, It drains the life out of you because they have they have nearsightedness. They can only see so far. So I'm like, okay, you know, guys used to absolutely love to play in this game,

and now it's not what it used to be. And I think from maybe it's just the athletes, all the information that they're getting on the financial aspect of it, they just feel like, hey, man, I want to make sure that I play for the next however long. And those are certain things that as competitors you don't respect. As you just pointed out. I mean, I just feel as though the hall of that game, the Pro Bowl is so important to football, to the psyche of players

that play the game. You talk about the voting to Hall of Fame and all of that to be respected amongst your peers. Now, I think the voting had the voting change, it changed from the writers to the fans elect. Yeah, it's well, it's it's like a thirty each like it's

I think it's players, coaches and fans. Players coaches and fans, right, and so they brought that aspect into it, and I think that changed a lot of it also for the players because they're like, wait a minute, you're voting for it turned into a popularity contest and not got that are actually out there ball. So you know. But I love the game. So anytime you could get some more football, yes, give it to me. I have no problem with no game.

I have to I write this a story off the game every year and I'm just like, oh man, they're not even tackling each other, which which by the way, I have no problem with. I tweeted about this during the game this year. I said, Twitter seems big mad about no tackling in the Pro Bowl. Player's day job has a one hundred percent injury rate. I always say dead Lea's catch guys and let guys enjoy this without

any real risk of getting hurt. There's a seventeenth game now too that these guys say, long season, and I have no problem because I can't do their job. I got no problem with guys not wanted to get hurt. Ye, and you know I got There were some big responses. Then, don't charge money to view this game of duck duck goose, That was the first reply I got. But I got

no problem. I think a skills challenge where maybe you put some incentive on the line, you know, like that, or why do I keep saying dak Micah Parsons running the forty against Tyreek Hill, it's fun like that. That's something where nobody's probably gonna get hurt, but you can showcase the stars and guys still get a vacation and they still get the recognition. Like, to me, that's easy if you if you made it, if you took just some of the combined drills, yeah, and put them out there,

guys would do it. Bench press they still do. They still do all that stuff. Guys would do a bench prayers, vertical John Brod all that. Guys would do that be fun, that's competitive, that's competitive. Watch safe in a safe environment. Yeah, guys would do it. I would, and I would watch it, and I think the whole world will watch it because everybody and their mom would stay tuned and watches the combine without blinking. Right. They just said, I think you're

gonna watch people compete if it's on TV. Competition, real competition though. But that's that's the reason why I can't watch basketball nowadays. It's hard for me to watch basketball because these tiki tech fouls. And if you ask if the NBA players nowadays and go back to the rules and from the eighties and nineties, they say, heck to the naw, yep, we gotta review that. We got Yeah, yeah, there's an elbow that. Oh God, take five minutes? Is

it flagrant? Yeah? Okay. So I've got two ideas then I'm gonna pitch to you guys about fixing the Pro Bowl. The first one kind of merges what Heckman's talking about and what Rob's talking about. Keep the game, keep the football side of it, but make it more entertaining and less dangerous. It's been a joke previously, but I mean, I think this should be the case. I want it to be seven on seven flag football. Get the skills

guys out there, quarterbacks, running backs, seven on seven. Run it just like you would a seven on seven tournament. Like all these guys at this point have played at some point throughout their career. Go seven on seven. Oh what do you do about the offensive linemen. They're the coaching staff. They're the ones that put everything together. They have you have responsibilities, divide it up, and your your offensive linemen are coaching the skills guys and then keep

it as an incentive all the way through. I love it. I think that would be so fun to watch you mic up all the offensive lineman, so you have them jarring at skills guys, getting into their face and things like that all the way through. I think it would be really fun to watch. You like it. I love it. I mean the tackling out of it. This year's game was there were elements of two hand touch this year. That just was and they I mean, they call it

a tackle game, but that's what it was. And again I got no problem with that, but that's that's kind of what it morphed into anyway. Yeah, so gives them FaceTime, gives the offensive lineman a chance to get some TV. Michael was trying to hit so much shine. What about there gonna do about your defensive lineman? You're there too? Oh no, they're they're there. They're there too. You'll well, edge rushers will be a part of that. It's seven on seven. You can put them out there play around

a little bit. Yeah, what do you think? I like it? Yeah? I like it. Yeah, NOA for sure. I think it's a great idea. And then I've got a skills competition one too that I've been thinking about too. While I was trying to brainstorm how to fix the game, I was like, Oh, this would be fun. I want to what's one of the more exciting parts of just sports in general. How about penalty kicks in soccer where you've got easily made kick right at the beginning, and you've

got a goalie trying to stop it. The goalie rarely gets it, but when he does, it's a highlight reel. It's a World Cup here too, exactly World Cup here. Yeah. I think you put a forty five yard kick, You put a kicker out there forty five yards, you gotta get it in. It's not an easy kick, but it's one that NFL kickers should nail nine times out of ten forty five yarders. And then I want standing at the goal line the quarterback of the opposing team, and I want him to try and skeet, shoot it out

of the air, snipe it with the football. Have the quarterbacks try and target practice to try and keep it from going in the goalpost. Is the worst idea? Why is that bad? I swear to God it's penaltie kicks. It's back and forth. You have the three light if it goes in the X, and then the winner of it, like a goalie backyard, he goes keep shooting the ball whatever. Dynasty. Yes, it's more. It's more of a a way to do penalty kicks for a football. Bubble wrap the whole game

and just take us. This is only a part of the skills competition. This isn't before the actual get mom and throw it over day year. Man. If I could just go back, if I could just go you know what, you're not a soccer guy, though, No I'm not. I'm not, and you know that. You know I'm not. And the deal is too. It's just I just feel I just feel the game getting softer and softer, and I just as you the more you talk, I just started wrapping myself in bubble wrap. I mean, like, how safe can

this thing get? But it's what no, I get it. When Roger Goodell comes out and says we gotta do something, then you know, like Sean Taylor changed the Proboble, it won't happen. It won't happen. I understand. And like I said, I'm on the back end of the day train. I'm gonna get off now and we're gonna go skeet shoot football. Let's do it too. I want you, I want you snip football. I like it, Kyle. I don't know about the steet part. That's kind you don't like trying to

like block it. I'm gonna stick with the performance side of love. Russell down down on the goal line trying to throw it out with Jonathan Garabay after he gets his throw ball. Oh wow, I want I want it. I want Russell Wilson trying to snipe it out of the air. I would watch the skills. Take the punters who can kick it the furthest who can kick it

the highest. If you take field goal kickers who can have the longest field goals, agree the movable field goal like an arena shortened the posts most start you started talking about the defensive ends. Right, defensive end is going to go run to hoops. Who has the fastest time defensive linement and officeive linement. Who has the most most forced output in terms of punching? Bring back, bring back dodgeball? I had dodgeball. That was That was heck, that was fun.

That was fun to watch. Line versus deal. Yes, Yes, what the hell are we doing it? But what are we doing? I like, it's a skills competition. You you line up one team, one team, and then it's like a relay all the way through you do you're each of your love all the way. I just from the science stamp. I would love to see you guys. Who's stronger officer a lineman in terms of force output? Offers A freaking Aaron Donald or you got freaking you know, I don't know Zach Martin, Martin, you know who can

put out the most force when they punch somebody? I want to see those numbers. No, no, I'm talking about the bags, the bag drills. When you when you punch the bags, how much force output you It's kind of like a little punching bag. Everybody wants to watch those numbers go out. Where's gonna stop? Where's he gonna stop? Oh? I got Mike Tyson punch out going boys. Shoot. I wonder if Larry Allen still works out like that. Yeah, you could do like a bat La challenge. You know,

he's he's older than we can take it. You can take his beat his top stat Yeah, Yeah, there's lots of things you could do. He can make it fun, call me, call him, called Kyle to myself, NFL. We'll work. Yeah, we'll make it. We'll make it happen. And we've got the ideas we're brainstorming in here. Heck, but doesn't necessarily like it, but we're doing it anyways. Sorry, heck skeet shooting. All right, that's it for us here on Talking Cowboys. Hope you had something on with us here over the

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