Talkin' Cowboys: Rookie Camp Standouts

player brand. I'm glad I'm wearing my my blinder glasses today because that ring looks so say my forehead is probably today that ring looks extra shiny today. We need to talk about that. Yeah, we all need to get one of those. We need to get one actually. Uh you know. Beasley dropped his Hot Fire album over the weekend and sent out a tweet yesterday and said, that's all I got in the chamber for now. Let's go get this super Bowl. There you go. He's football focused.

I admire people that have a little extra talent to do things. It's helpful. Yeah, as a human being. It didn't you know. We were listening to it on Saturday evening. The album at rookie camp. I was listening with Dave and William. What do you think those guys? Dave had used the word flow. I guess that's how you describe a wide receiver. Wide receivers. Got a little flow to him, got the hair too, flow? Yeah, so was that description of his music? Yeah, that's important. Yeah, you have to

have a little flow and so yeah, good for him though. Again, I admire people. I amire people who use power tools that can, you know, build things. I admire people that can do those. You can cook, I can't. Yeah, I admire that. I'm pretty proud about my ability to cook. Yeah. No one's mad that, you know, Dak likes to go fishing in the season, but we're all mad abusily for writing some heavy rhymes. Are people mad? Is that kind of the No? I think he got the top five.

I think now I'm ten among hip hop and the hip hop album I don't know. Yeah, no, it was on iTunes. I think did you get a listen, Mick? I tried listening when I was working out this morning, but I couldn't get it to work good workout music. Did you really try or did you just kind of have kind of like voting in the Twitter poll like I look for it, like Jesus I had it. I kept pushing the little arrow going to the rock. Some old man in a sauna with a towel around him

taking a bit. I don't take my phone in the sauna. Okay, no more, no more, but no more? Yeah, well, Beasley, you know he's ready to rock and roll for OTA's starting next Tuesday. But we did have rookie Minicamp over the weekend. You brought up being here on Saturday. The two day event gave us a little glimpse at some of the guys. You know, people obviously looking at the first round pick Laton vander ash but there were some

other guys out there. And the one that really caught my eye, at least on Friday was Marquez White, who was able to participate from last year. Yeah, yeah, from last year. You know, a guy that could help in the secondary. We've been looking at it. We've been seeing how this is going to all shape out. Of course, with the different moves of Byron Jones and things like that. Did you guys also look at White and all? Did you get a chance. I'll tell you what, Tan, It's

good eye on your part. What I noticed about that group as a whole is they're all the same size. The second well, the secondary appears to be and this could be very well. The Chris Richard influence here where you look at the and all the guys, even the rookies they brought in White you mentioned, is in a second season here with the team, but they all are

the same height, same length, same build build. So I think this is something that we're going to see going for as long as Chris rochard Is is the secondary coach here. But I liked what I saw from the group. I liked how he was working with him on press coverage stuff, the jam with the one hand am, the sink, the positioning, how to play the routes. I think that's kind of a skill. You know, a lot of times these guys use their just their ability and just say, Okay,

I'm just gonna stay in front. But it takes some technique. That's why you know, you get some guys like he had, like Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman wasn't the fastest foot athlete, you know, they're in Seattle, but he played excellent technique. So if you find a way that you can play. And that's what Brandon Carr. Brandon Carr got fifty million dollars being a press man corner. So if you learn to play technique, you learn to how to jam, to sink, and to be able to redirect, I think you can

go a long way. But I really like what I saw overall with the group as far as their size, their reach, the range in which they were able to play with Mick. You know, last season you talked a lot about the offensive line, and of course they added the new shiny toy of Connor Williams. Were you happy to see him out there doing the left guard? The flexibility?

What impressed you most about Connor? He's got great feet. Yeah, I watched him due to the drill yes day where they were hopping in the different squares, and he did it like he was a wide receiver. He's got great feet, great movement. He wants to do this. You can tell he's he's all in. So yeah, he'll be a nice addition. But again, when they start this thing, he's not going to be the first team left guard. When they start

OTA's you know, he's gonna have to move up. They'll give deference to the veterans that have been here, and then you got to earn your way. You know the thing about the cornerbacks, I like with Chris Richard said about playing man and all this stuff. He and the guy's being bigger. He said, I want to cause a

problem at the line of scrimmage. He goes, because if I cause a problem at the line of scrimmage as a cornerback, that gives the wide receiver something else to think about other than just getting it in his route. Now he's got to beat me. Now again, you better have some ketchup speed because if going to play that single safety high coverage, once you get beat, your beat beat. So but I like the idea of causing problems on the line of scrimmage for the wide receiver. Rob I

was reading your article yesterday. Does anyone loved Chris Rohard more than rodmrnelling. I'm not so sure that that's the case. I think um Rod said it. He thinks of all the moves they've made this offseason, he might be the

most significant guy. And that's a strong statement when you consider about all the things they've done, remaking some of the personnel, some of the coaching changes, they've made and Brian wrote about a lot of this some interesting drill work and technique that we maybe haven't seen before that Ben Bloom was doing with the linebackers, that Sanjay Law

was doing with the wide receivers. But I think I think Chris Roschard brings some instant cred and track record with what he's done with reference at Richard Sherman Legion of Boom. He's got a he's got an it factor. That's That's what Rod spoke to each really good at connecting with guys. You know, he's an impressive guy when you talk to him so well. You got to have the personnel and I think Mickey spoke to that too, though. You've got to be able to you know, to make

it fit your scheme. And that's why Byron Jones is playing corner. They He actually said when he was scouting Byron Jones coming out of the draft, he looked at him as a corny thought he'd be perfect for what they did in Seattle. Big corner Rangie got speed, got catch up speed. But you know it's it's gonna be a little bit of a transition and the way they

play and the guys they use back there Brian. When you guys were in this actual studio and you're watching the war room and you guys were talking about who they might pick in the first round, he kind of tricked you up because he came into the room with Rod Marinelli as they were deciding to choose. And a lot of people forget that. He has also taken on the title as passing game coordinator. Right, how do you think he'll impact that, because of course it was ebra

Flus last year. Yeah, I'd say what I think everything that Rob said about Richard is absolutely true. The credibility part of it. Players understand, Okay, this guy coached you know, outstanding players in Seattle. They had a lot of success. You've got to be able to marry the front with the secondary, and that's where this really comes into play,

because Rod Marinelli doesn't like to blitz a lot. But you've got to be able to take the front seven and say, Okay, if we're gonna blitz here, then we've got to play this on the back end, or if we're going to play zone coverage, this is what we're going to do on the front. You have to be able to have that coordination between and Mattie Raflus did a really nice job with that. You could tell that that Rod Mirnilli really leaned on him a lot. He's gonna miss Eberflus, But I think he's got a guy

in Richard though, again that can bring everybody together. John Snyder told me John the GM at Seattle, said, Hey, this guy makes players accountable. I think that's really all you want from your players. You want ability and accountability, and those are the two things I think Chris Richard brings. I love the quote that Richard had had about that the other day. He said, you know, the big thing about the Legion of Boom, what was accountability? And it

actually was dependability. It was it was okay, yeah, you're accountable. Yeah I screwed up. Well, how about being dependable? How about not screwing up and not making the same mistake twice? And that's yeah. He's gonna hold guys accountable back there. And I think that's important because it's a very young group. I mean, Byron Jones if he steps in at corner, okay, he's a veteran guy, but you got a lot of

second year guys. I mean, I think there's five guys on this roster from last year that are no more than two years in the league. Absolutely, So the other thing I kind of liked about just kind of how he presented things his first time to talk to the media. And one of the things you got to remember about him, you asked about taking care of the second dary and the passing game. Remember he's three years as a defensive coordinating. Absolutely, he did the whole thing. He did the whole thing.

So he's your eyes on the linebacker, he's your eyes on the secondary safety. He started as a cornerback coach, came the defensive back coach, and then became the defensive coordinator for three years. And you kind of get the feeling it. You know, they didn't bring him back just because he did a bad job. They were looking to

get new almost like what happened here. They wanted new voices, right, They got rid of him, They got rid of the offensive corder, and they got rid of the offensive line coach. They kind of cleaned house to start over. And sometimes you got to do that to get everybody's attention out there. And I think we saw that with these rookies, these new coaches. It's like, Okay, the rookies didn't know any different.

But it'll be interesting to see how the OTAs go when they have to step up the bed and blooms all of a sudden have a voice. Oh no, absolutely a new voice. With Chris Richard, the offensive line coach, wasn't there he would at his kids graduation. The comment commencement speech. Okay, so, but but you just get a feeling that there was a different level of attention, and I think we'll see it next week. I was more interested in the coaches than I woted the players. Does

that make sense No, because the players really didn't do anything. Yeah, I kind of focused. Okay, what is this guy teaching here? What is he trying to The receivers went two days without catching a ball. Just gonna say, I think we found our new Mike Pope girls over there. Yeah, and Sanjay Law does some some really some stuff to teach

his balance and route running and things. I mean, that's one of the things that I think I've been really critical about, is give me somebody that could separate, Give me route runners, give me guys that go to their spots and you know the quarterback can find them. So yeah, I was amazed, Like two practices and I didn't see your receiver catch a ball. I really did, and I was like, going, well, this is this is interesting? So until Saturday. Until Saturday, Yeah, I mean it was, it was,

It was. It was. He was all about balance and where you need to have your foot and where you need to turn and where your weight needs to be and all that. So good for him to try and get that started very early. I missed Pope like drills. You know, we need some more of those now. Of course, you know they had the undrafted guys out there as well, and a lot of them will see what happens. They can all have a chance at training camp. But the one that I was looking at, and I don't know

if you guys agreed, Terry Robinson. He was the true safety out there, yeah, and the free safety. To get him out there to see what he can do. If he can prove himself, I think he has room to grow. Yeah, I don't. I Then there's another one, Tay. I think that you did a good job of noticing with Robinson

this team could use a true free safety. And you know he was at Oregon and I had written some reports about him at Oregon and how he played there, in the Pac twelve and you see him play as a true guy, and he was doing some nice things in the in the in the work that he was getting he was actually Jamille Showers and him were working together with if you want to call at the ones, he was with the first group with vander esh and Covington in those guys. So to see him move around.

Though he's got the lengthy's six two, he's two hundred and five pounds, he looks the part and you know he could play the part two. I'm interested to see if if there's a guy and I'll just say it, if there's a guy that's an undrafted guy, and this team has a great history of having one or two of those guys make it make your team. He's a guy that I think, looking at his college tape and now just kind of just seeing how he's moving around, I'll be interested to see more in the OTAs and stuff.

But I think he's got a pretty good idea and he's got a pretty good fit to play as a free safety and a team that needs a free safety. The other guy that's and you wrote about him last week, I think Cam Kelly from San Diego State, there's a couple of guys from San Diego State, but he's a you know, he's listed as a corner six two. Again, it's another tall, rangy guy. Yeah, everybody at that camp

was over six feet tall playing in the secondary. And you know, maybe maybe he has some safety traits too, four seven guys too, so he might they might have to flip him. I kind of thought that they would. The guy they moved they moved into to safety was from safety to linebacker. It was Kyle Quero from Northwestern. You could watch Northwestern tape and he plays as a safety, but the Cowboys are going to try him. He was number forty one as a lineback. Mickey, I got an

idea for you. You tell me what you think about this. Oh, we could have a weekly segment. You guys see what we think we got to keep him on this team. Marchie and Mickey. Marchie and Mickey. It's a segment waiting to happen. I don't know what we would be talking about yet, but Marchie, I think fits um. I don't know. There's a lot of days of training camp. You're looking for some Marchie, Marchie and Mickey come on the podcast. I love it, you know, I did notice forty one. Yeah,

quar I didn't do anything. I mean, they were going, but I saw his size and his movement. Yeah, but there was just basically drills, and I thought it was I thought it was about time they did this rookie mini camp when I didn't want to see guys pull hamstrings and sprain ankles and hurt their shoulders diving for passes, which you know, you sort of hope they back off on the OTA's too. You're you know, you're not gonna

you're not making the Pro Bowl and the OTA. But guys start competing and they're diving for balls they don't have shoulder pads on, and you get hurt. That's that's a good point. There's two sides of it. They're not ready for it. They haven't been working out and they're trying to impress everybody, so they're going they're going one hundred and ten percent when they should be going about fifty. I heard, I can't remember who did it. One of the coaches were yelling and might have been Garrett, I

don't know. It was like, hey, we're going half speed here, kind of slow down. Let's let's just get it right. Well, and you think about the way these guys trained for the draft. It's way different than football at all. It's a different conditioning. It's not fair to them to come out here and be like, Okay, I know you've been doing forty drills for the entire office. He's go ahead and do this. So yep, I think Mickey's right. It's a good way to kind of transition them back into

that get used to it. Although when looking at all these guys, let's not overlook the obvious. The guy that had the two fives on his chest looked like a middle linebacker. To me. It was just how the five stood out on the front of his jersey. Yea, uh, he looks better in a jersey. He looked good in a suit, all right. He looked like a football player in that that jersey. Next, well, I think that with Layton vander esh Again, it's the size, like you mentioned, guys,

is there. It's deceptive too, but it is it is. And the thing about him is, though, let's see how he if the instincts. Because I love the guy in coverage. I think he's going to help you as one of those you know, can he be a three down player. I think he's got that kind of ability to be a three down player where he's gonna have to it's going to be the take on. For as big as he is. You do see some times where he gets hooked up on blocks and he's got he's gonna have

to watch. Sean Lee's got to learn from Sean Lee. Sean Lee doesn't get blocked because he's have the instincts. Sean Lee's got the ability, but he's got instincts. He knows how to read plays and get away from blocks. If Layton vander esh develops that, then you've got You've hit on a guy. You've totally hit on a guy. The only question I have on when they put on the pads, will he be able to consistently get away from blocks? That's going to be his The one thing

you need to keep an eye on. Well, if you keep an eye out for a series that Kent has been working on, and we asked him last week, what does he want people to think of him when he's done playing, and he said legendary. H So he hopes to be consistent for either brand. We're taking a lot of fan calls and questions today. We're going to take our first break. Well, when we come back, we want to hear from you guys. I'm already seeing some great tweets.

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around the jazz festival in New Orleans. Yeah, when it's eighty five degrees you were there, I was, Oh man, I wish I would have seen photos jazz beats. I probably have some million is dread song. Oh did you wear a dread hat? Dread hat? No hat? No hat, no hat. That's why it looks think my forehead. So that's why it looks like a brownie every time you see him. Mickey, please please wear a hat. I want him to live long and and no skin stuff. I

listened to Chris Rochard's cousin, Zachary Rochard. Oh really, No, they're not really. Oh. I was like, wow, Mick going deep dived in over there? All right, Well, you were just telling us, Mickey about how great Layton vander ash looks in his fifty five jersey. Did he get a chance to look at Chris Covington, the guy who ever ends lining up as your will. I did like what you see there too. The neck tats. I can't. I can't reveal my poll vote too early for that. Save it. Okay,

he looked like he could play linebacker. Might have been because he's wearing Hitchin's number. You know. Hitchins was just a baller when he was here. But I watched some of the Indiana Iowa. Yeah, big ten connection. Uh, he had some pop to him. He does drills, he does. Yeah. I liked what I saw from He's got length and he's got size, and he looks like he's strong. He wore number four at at Indiana, which is here here.

He was a what I would say it was a high school quarterback coming in and then they converted him. But you're right, Rob and Mickey were saying this, the guy's got some pop to his hands. You know, when you watch him played Indiana, he was like a kind of a run hit linebacker void and get to the football. But he but the take on stuff. I was thinking, Okay, he's not going to be as good at this, you know, can you when you watch like you watch Kyle quar Quaro has not doesn't have an idea of being a

converted safety about how to strike. You know, that's something that scouts always talk about the ability to strike and extend and and I'll tell you this, Covington's got that. He's got that ability to sink his hips, to to take those hands pushed through and it's got some pop to him. So I was pretty impressed by that. I think the I think Mickey's absolutely right about that, Rob what he said as well, and go ahead, No, I was gonna say, I want to hold your pull, so

we don't have to get into all of that. But what were you gonna say? Well, I just think maybe there's a little bit of an upside factor with him, a little bit yeah, um, maybe just from a comfort level instinctive because he came to Indiana as a quarterback and he actually played. I think some games at quarterback is freshman year, so uh maybe he there's still an elevation level for him on defense as a linebacker. You know, he looks like a linebacker. He doesn't look like a

quarter Yeah. You you you watch It's seriously, you watch the Indiana film and he it's not hard to find number four on the field because he is around the ball quite a bit and he got a nose for the ball, runs really really well. That's something I would you know, going back, if you look at my scout report in Dallas Cowboys dot Com about him, one of the things that the running ability was really really good. I could see why they drafted him the way or where they did.

You're looking for trades, he's got that ability. Yeah. We'll get into more rookie talk soon. But a piece of news that broke last week about the Cowboys defensive tackle Millie Collins, of course a broken left foot. Garrett says he expects him to come back for some training camp. It just feel bad for the guy. You know, this was a guy, Brian. Last year you were kind of certainly as a possible Pro Bowl Yeah, sure, guy, And it's okay because you know, he showed up in training camp.

He had a great training camp. I was I was really happy about him, guys. And you know, I thought, when you watch him, if you could win one out of every four rep against Zack Martin, you're doing pretty good. And that's what he was doing. He was winning one out of every four. And you know, if you talk to Zack Martin, Zack Martin saying, hey's the one guy that gives me problems, and yeah, he's going through that the bag drill. He's making a spin move, he plants

the left foot and bam, there it goes. And so you know, I guess three hundred pound men are not made to go through bags and spin and do all that stuff. But it's it's a drill they do. And unfortunately, you know, we'll see if he's back at health, you're ready to go. He doesn't miss games. That's something to Rod Marinelli said about him. He goes, hey, this guy

gets hurt, but he doesn't miss games. And but he it was unfortunately last year because he did play hurt the majority of the season, and I was thinking, thinking, man, there's gotta be something's up with him. He had a stress reaction in that left foot. Yeah, Nick, same same deal. He got a clean up surgery in January, and obviously, uh, you know, a reinjury. I guess as if you want

to call it, Well, what happened was he? I mean, he fractured the fifth meta tarsol, right, So he fractured the fifth metatarsol his rookie year on his right foot, had the stress fracture his second year on his left foot. They did the surgery, he fractured it again. I was told that they were fortunate that the screw they put in to help with the stress fracture didn't crack. Uh. So this time around, Uh, they're thinking about putting a

bone graph in. They're sort of like they did with Dez and and so they're going to be very conservative on how soon he comes back. Uh. You know, I asked the question about we keep seeing in all these fifth metatarsals fracturing shoes. It's like, what's the deal. So he he he had the fifth metatarsal in the right foot two years ago and the left and left. Dez had the fifth right. Terrence Williams dealing with it right now, Dez did it? Somebody is somebody else on defense? Uh,

fractured their fifth metatarsal. And that's the answer I got. Everybody wants comfortable shoes, light shoes, but they're not good for your structure of your foot to protect it when you roll it to the side. They're also saying, the way this turf is now too as sticky as it is, your shoe hits in the turf and your foot immediately slides in the shoe, and so you have where the where the violence of the going against the shoe will break bones. And it's just stepping. Because wasn't like they're

doing anything weird. When I fractured mine, mine was stupid because I jumped up in the air and I turned around to look to see if the ball was out. What were you doing playing tennis? Oh? The ball went over my head. And so instead of I'd let it go right and instead of just coming down, I turned around quickly point your finger as out, Mickey, don't don't jump up in the air, turned just put your fingers straight out. Foot didn't come down flat, and you roll

it to the side, and I'll tell you what. It's a little bone, but boy does it hurt. Well? You and your Stansmith's that day by Stanish. By the way, those Stan Smiths that you and I used to wear, Yes, they're now like one hundred dollars shoes. Back in the day they were like eighteen bucks leathers. Wear him out, Oh gosh, you get another pair, yes, Stan Smith Terrence Williams obviously. Um, I don't know if you guys saw the awesome photo of him in a tight eye shirt

wearing his boot. You know, what's his update with his foot injury. You know somebody else helped. I just saw him walking off the field today. He wasn't He wasn't in a booth. I think he was walking. You're probably looking at training camp to really get in. They're not gonna let him do anything. Yeah, i'd I'd be surprised if he did a lot this offseason, But they don't like week one. That's what they're looking at. And I don't think there's a concern there for him on that.

And you know, I think week one is what you look at from Ulie Collins too. But I think Mickey brought up a good point. This is two surgeries on the same foot this year, so I would be tentative with timelines with him. I mean, you look at three months or whatever. But you gotta make sure that thing stays healthy. Yeah, these trainers do a heck of a job of putting these guys back together, Doctors, trainers, getting him rehab in all. But let's think about this guy's

fifty three man roster. We're gonna get to the end, and now we're talking about our guys going to be available. You know, is William's going to be available? Is MALIEK. Collins gonna be that's two roster spots right there, right, you know, you might have to Okay, they're gonna have to go a little long here, a little long there. How many tight ends are gonna keep? How many quarterbacks? We think three? So we're already running back, Yeah, you're

now two. You're potentially two in the hole on guys, you're gonna have to keep on the fifty three, you know, because of injuries and stuff. So you don't want to go into a season with that kind of you know, with that kind of bagging down, you're dragging down your roster a little bit. There's a good chance both of them may start training camp on pop right, just a week so they can get them in condition before they

say okay, it's time to have football. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, you know you're looking at the team and overall your knock on wood, like Mickey saying, they're doing the right things with Rocky Minning camp, and we're hoping for the best. I don't know if you guys got to listen to yesterday, of course, the new Monday Night football commentator Jason Witten is on Adam Schefter's podcast and he thinks Dez Bryant

is going to the Packers. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I talked to some folks in Green Bay and did a true story. But they drafted they drafted three, Uh, they drafted three guys that they're very happy with, the Missouri kid being one of them though. So yeah, mister hands more, Yeah, I feel that he drops the ball too much. Fifth or sixth round pick. Yeah, they've got They've got three receivers that they're really really happy with. I kind of

I kind of feel like that they would be. I'm just gonna fight through it, Mickey, And you know, the San Francisco and New Orleans just make too much sense to me right now. You know, it does talks about it's still the wounds of going to Green Bay. I again talking to Green Bay. Folks, they're happy with their young receivers and they've got some veteran guys there. I know they got rid of Jordy Nelson and stuff, but they're happy with the guys they have. So I just

don't see him going to Green Bay. I think New Orleans San Francisco would be in play. Can't please cut that, miss, mister hands hands. Yeah, I thought Baltimore would be a great fit. Actually was. Yeah, And like, I don't blame him for maybe wanting to bet on himself with a one year deal if in fact, okay, they're offering a multi year deal only or something. But you know, strong

head coach, solid quarterback, good organization, you know. But hey, if you say in New Orleans, strong head coach, good organization, hall of fame quarterback, that might work. I think did Sean Pate would have an idea of how to use him. I say that, and I think the guy in San Francisco would have an idea how to use him. He used Julio Jones. If Dez goes to New Orleans, he's Marcus Colston. To me, we all remember Marcus Colston and how he big receiver didn't have to run a lot

of routes. Everything was in the middle of the field. Stuff was going on on the outside, but he was always work in the middle of the field, between the linebackers, over the top of the linebackers, between the safeties, always kind of hitting that middle field. What are Dez Bryant's best routes? Anything in breaking anything. San Jay Lyle even said this about him other day. He says, he an elite slant runner, but everything else is a little bit, you know, a little bit shaky. But anything that was

going inside was going to have a chance. And I think that's where Sean Payton would have an idea about him, how to use him in that Marcus Colston role of a big guy that can work the middle of the field, especially if you're not paying him twelve million dollars base salary. Now, is that that's appealing to most Yes? Yes, now it's got to be appealing to him. Were surprised that Sanjay Lyle said he'd never met with Does Bryant while he was here. Well, I was just timing wise, Yeah, I was,

But if you think about it, wasn't around right. But I mean, if you're Does Brian and your Sanjay Lyle, don't you say, a big fellow, let me, let's let's get together and have some lunch over here at the facility. How about if I meet you somewhere and we just kind of talk a little bit, right, He said he never got a chance to meet with him until the very end, until it was already said and done, and he was hired in January. Right, Yeah, he was one

of the first highest. He was one of the first highest. Sure, it was sure. It was just surprising to me at the time, and they probably made up their mind that they were going to do what they were going to. If I was Dez, I would have requested, Yeah, I would have just walked in and say, hey, what's up, coach? Yeah, I think I think if you have a new coach, you'd want to come in and meet him. Anyway. Myself could be on the player, could be on the organization.

It's two way street. I mean I read something that while he was out of the country or whatever, but you for three months and two months you do kind of get the feeling. I mean, they didn't ultimately make the decision till April, but that they were leaning towards this way back They told Sanjay Lyle. Here, here's Dez's tape evaluate him. He says, okay, elite, slant runner, everything else needs to have work to him, And maybe that's

where they made the determination with that, with that assessment. Yeah, I was more surprised to hear Jason Witten news but Dez bryant writings seemed to be on the wall. But I understand what you're saying, just meeting with your coach. Yeah, well, I think the thing with with Witton and you know, he's got a he's surely he's got some insight. That's what's going on. Like Witnes has sources now like he's

a reporter, I got higher range. It is strange. Oh, I think he just looked at it and said, hey, green he's trying to find He's trying to find back shoulder throwers to him. Yeah, if you talk about you know, let's talk about the teams we've all mentioned. You you show up in Green Bay, you're getting one of the best of the best. You show up in New Orleans, you're getting one of the best of the best. You go to San Francisco, you got a shot at a guy that could be one of the best of the

best it's all said and done. I mean, it's not like he's showing up in a place like Arizona where they don't have an established quarterback that he well, okay, Bradford, But I'm just saying, you know, yeah, yeah, give me somebody that's gonna help me elevate my game and to try and do that. And I think the places that we all mentioned were the ones that make the most sense. Absolutely.

The only thing I see with Green Bay, though, you see some offseason controversy with Aaron Rodgers being mad, he's not getting communicated to, you know, he's not hearing from the front office about the Jordan Nelson decisions, and then of course the whole narrative that's fallen followed Dez is the passionate. Yeah, but they've changed, they've changed general managers in green Bay. That that that is something that Rogers might not have a relationship with with Brian Gudicus how

he had with Ted Thompson. Just gonna take a little time where Brian is going to have to come in and say, hey, listen, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Aaron, this is what we need to do. I'm you know, I'm sure that there was some thought given to about draft picks and things like that. They drafted three wide receivers. Aaron Rodgers has to be a little bit happy about that. Desney, So mister hands except all right, Well, the guy fumbled

the ball through the end zone twice for touchbacks. Okay, running in the open field, Missouri problems do mean nothing to me right in front of him where I was sitting in the state. I'm sorry, Mick. Luis Ortiz has a question for you. Guys. We brought up, of course, Malik's injuries, and they said, do you think price ash Jaheed or my pick d Q? From what I've seen, we'll fill in. Uh, you know, Brian, I've talked about the q DQ. Who are you? I don't know who

they're meaning here? And police tell us who DQ is? Jehad Ward to Clinton? Uh yeah, the kid from Oklahoma Stake. Yeah, I don't know. I forgot his last game. Who he um? Jehad Ward's interesting to me. I don't know exactly what the fit is for him in a four to three because you look at his build and his body type. He's probably more of a you know, a five technique, and that's true four, but maybe he can fit in

as a three technique. Well, actually that's what he played at Oakland, but the Cowboys think he's a defensive tackle. Rob Marnoi said this. Rob Marnoi coached him in the Senior Bowl and he said he was a tick slow coming off the ball, and he goes, then I stuck him inside and it was just became natural for him. He goes, I guarantee they're gonna play this kid at tackle. It too, ninety six pounds, he's a tackle. He's gonna play tackle. He's gonna play he's gonna play the three.

They're gonna try him at the one. Let's always think about this guy, as we always bring this up, if you have one, if you're one technique with three technique traits, they're gonna love you. If you're not. I mean, because Hankins was a name that people are throwing what about Hankins played the Giants, played the Colts. He does not have three technique traits. They're just not gonna do that. So don't If you see a guy that has those

potential traits, then that could be a guy. But they've got to figure out what's going on with that with the tackle spot because they lost the other day, you know, losing us. Yeah, McClain that that that. I think that hurt them a little bit. I've probably felt like that they were going to have an opportunity there and it

didn't materialize that way. One year, four million dollars. It looks a little like, you know, I mean, when Collins was at his absolute best, he was playing with Throll McClain next to him, and I kind of thought that was going to be a combination we're gonna see also with David Irvin playing a little bit inside as well. So unfortunately that's not going to be the case. We'll get to see him down the road here somewhere in Atlanta. Yeah,

my understanding was it shouldn't have been about money. One year, four million dollars, like it was his choice to go somewhere else. I got the point. I got the feeling that they had they were holding him, holding him, holding him that he was going to sign and then, but the conversation wasn't mutual back and forth. So once they said, okay, we know anything done, let's go to Atlanta, and then Atlanta just jumped in quickly with what they were able

to do because he had visited I believe Miami. He had also visited San Francisco Dallas, so he took four visits and the last one he went to was the one he ended up signing. Usually when guys leave the building, it's not a great sign. Who was surprising, Alan Herners? Get deal, got done? Yeah, after he left, All right, well, let's take our funal break here. We will be right back with more questions than of course Rob's Twitter Pool.

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but oh he did vote today. How do you know so special because you tweeted about it as I tweeted back, my heart is full when you thanks vote on the Twitter. Hopefully everybody else did too. Yes, Well, let's let's check your see how smart the people that voted our simple question, which late round selection in the Cowboys draft is a sleeper? We talked about Chris Covington. We didn't mention Cedric Wilson, wide receiver, crowded group, or the final pick in the draft.

Both Scarborough out of Bama, first Bama pick they've had in seventeen years. I think people know most about Scarborough. I think they probably voted. I think people watched enough Alabama tape and they see this, this tank running the football wearing number nine, so I think they probably would vote for him. He does look like he could have been out there with vander esh over the weekend linebackers. For sure. I didn't realize Wilson's numbers were so high.

Press absolutely absolutely, I voted for Covington just from the eyeball test. Fair well, Brian's right bow. Scarborough fifty eight percent, although, hey, you gotta find a way because Zeke's gonna play ninety five percent of the snaps, and Rod Smith's the guy they like, and Tavon Austin might be a running back up We're not sure. And Neil might be your fullback, but hey he might. He's gonna have to. If he's gonna make the team, he's got to play special teams.

And I guess most true, most Alabama guys do play special teams. I don't know how involved he was in that when he was there. Um he's a backup running back when he was there. Actually he's big. Could he be your next Keith Smith? I mean, I know they're kind of doing this experiment with with Louis Neil, but the body time can move Louis Neil back to tackle because of the injuries. Okay, so we're looking at ye any bodies, well they need a nose tackle. Yeah, that's true.

I need you out there. I'll say this though, Scarborough. Scarborough is going to get every Kerry in preseason. Just get ready for that. But I think he's going to

have to figure out a couple of things. Like Rob said, he actually they put him at left wing on the punt team, and I think that's a good start, just to say, okay, young man, you can't take a rest during I'm sure at Alabama he was over there by the water cooler, you know, having a laugh and a glass of water while the guys went through special teams.

So he's gonna have to play special teams. I feel like though that he's going to have to develop a little bit better catching the football, I you know, being a little bit more consistent with the hands the pass block, and he's going to have to learn how to do that. That's something he never really did at Alabama. He's gonna have to develop those two things. But if he's gonna be on the forty six make this football team, he's

gonna have to play special teams. And the quicker they can get him acclimated to that, and the quicker they can see how he's gonna function in that, the better off we'll know. We'll know, like after the second preseason game, whether he's gonna make this football team or not. In my opinion, we will Gary Gary Brown had two guys to coach for three days. Yeah. The other guy's pretty big too. Now yeah Troy running back as a chun

It's Chun. Yeah, yeah, Jordan Chun. Those are big boys now, yeah schun Is I mean Sun When you watch him at Troy, Now there's a guy that you hand him the football. Always say this about backs that they're square looking. When he hits the hole, hits it with some power. But he tore up my LSU Tigers running the football there this year. You know, physical and LSU is supposed to have a good defense, and he was running through tacklers.

He was being physical and all that. You know, there's another guy to kind of keep an eye on it. You know, this team, I said it earlier, this team has a history of having undrafted free agents make it. And you know, he might be a guy that if he if he does well enough in some certain roles, if he in fact does play special teams, you know, maybe he makes it and Bo Scarborough doesn't make it.

We'll see. I left Mike White off the pole. Tayause looks like Blake Silverthorne looks exactly like Blake Silverthorne, like a six five Blake Silverthorne or form producer. Great guy, but he we have a good feeling about him. I think making this football team and being a guy they can develop like White. Yeah, I mean you can look. I mean we didn't see a lot, but you can tell the ball. He's got zip on on the ball.

I think he's got some poise. Just kind of being around him a little bit, he seems like a you know, a guy that can make a transition. We'll see you know how to answer questions. Yeah, that's kind of what I mean, quarterbacks like the way part of the quarterbacks got to know how to handle himself. But you know, we'll find out more as we go along. All right, you're talking about answering tions. I thought Dalton Schultz did

a good job. You listen to his interview. He's obviously getting the million questions about Jason Witton handles it like a pro. But I liked what I was seeing what he was able to do out there, just kind of his body, his movement. I think you guys, look at the guys that have come out of Stanford. It's an obvious tight end university as you'd call it. But sure, I think he's ready to do something and he could help lenahand Linahan hasn't had a chance to really work

with a new tight end in a long time. This is my hot Ti Rico, this is my hot take. He will be your starter opening day. Dalton Schultz will be the starter opening day. I haven't seen anything, but I wouldn't argue with that. Yeah, I mean we haven't seen him play foot. Well, they might open up and might open up in three. Why exactly, But I have a feeling when we get when it's all said and done, we get the opening day, you will have a rookie starter at tight end, and Dalton Schultz, yeah, I could

definitely see that. I think Swain probably his experience gives him makes him probably the most competition for that spot. But the transition, Hey mentioned Stanford, not only are they good at producing tight ends, the system is very very similar to this one. What they him to pro it's a pro scheme is what it is there with my guys. So the transition, the transition for him is not very still. See the thing about it is to be an in line why you have to have the ability to stick

your nose in there and block. And you know, it's not like they're saying, Okay, listen, we're gonna make you a flexed or detached player. Now you're gonna have to block like Jason Winton. No, he already understands how he has to block defensive ends. When you have courage enough to block defensive ends in college football, you can block defensive ends in pro football. And I think that's where Dalton Schultz I think he's got the ability. I think

he's got the athletic ability. I think he's got the temperament. The Stanford kids might be just really really smart, you know all that, but but they are tough. David Shaw recruits tough players. That's why always thought like, if somebody who's next head coach National Football League? David Shaw? Where David Shaw learned from Harball? Well, his dad was a pro coach, chapter right, but harball toughness. The forty nine ers haven't been the same since Harball left there. That

was a tough, hard nosed football team. So David Shaw the same kind of guy. He recruits players that way. Again, BookSmart kids, smart on the field, they're tough, they're athletic. He'll be a great fit for this organization. All I gotta do is listen to Jason Garrett answered questions about him. Yeah, and Jason usually doesn't tip his hand, but you can tell sure he thinks this kid can be a complete tight end. He can be a better receiver than they

utilized a man. Absolutely at Stanford. Plus, Stanford's had some quarterbacks in the past that would have used him better. The last couple of years, though they've struggled to have some consistency at the position. They've had some injuries, guys have been knocked around, but they've had some guys like Hogan was a quarterback they had there for a while. Guy through the ball really really well. If if Hogan had played with this kid, I think you'd have seen

him have some success. Plus, I like what his major was, science, technology or technology science. He wants to develop video games. He said, he's a big gamer. Yeah, and he said that the thing that he hated about video games is when he played him losing. No, they were always the foot like doing the football games. The guys were always better than him. Yeah, he said, he used to make me mad. Yeah, so well good. I mean, Plexity Sports is your new home. He just depends which side of

the building do you want to see. We'll see how those shakes out with the kid at you know, Gil Brandt and I were talking about, you know, the guy that ended up Goddard. It ended up in the Philadelphia Eagles. You know, the Eagles have had a pretty good ye had a pretty good run of tight ends. But it'll be interesting to see which which one because I think that Schultz is a more complete tight end, but Dallas

Goddard is not. A bad player. I know some people were there was like some second round tight ends that Dallas Shirley could have that the Cowboys could have considered. But they kind of had their eye on this guy. They really really did. From the from what Mickey's saying, from the complete aspect of in line, why pass catcher, tough guy, staying in block, do whatever you have to do. Guy. I know you guys don't have Nate Newton on this

show anymore. He's on hanging with the boys. But if he wouldn't be on the show, he would be very upset. We have yet to bring up Dorn's Armstrong's name, because he has called him his pet cat of this draft, were you able to see anything, I know we're talking about a basic walk through practice. Yeah, Horn's Armstrong, the guy out of Kansas. Yeah, and I'll answer sixty three,

two hundred and fifty nine pounds. When I watched him play at Kansas, he was two hundred and forty five pounds, and I would never I mean, he physically doesn't look sloppy out there at all. You think, Okay's fourteen pounds, he's overweight. No, this guy is really really strong too. One of the drills. I like what he was doing is they had a drill where they're trying to squeeze, you know, like you're on the you're on the edge

and you have to squeeze the hole. And so I mean extending an arm and then into the chest of the blocker and pushing it down to squeeze the hole. And he had Leon Lett and he had leon Lett going backwards, and leon was trying to sit and but you know, Armstrong was just kept working in back, working and back working in back and I'm thinking, Okay, the guy's got a little upper body strength to him, the long arm guy. The best thing about this kid is and at Kansas he played with violence. I mean you

watch him rush the passer. He was relentless. I mean he people try and block him. It's swat, swim, it's grab, pull, it's slap, it's I mean, he was always on the move. The way he played no And you know there's some guys that will avoid and get you know, real small and turning all that this guy could chase from the backside to disruptive in the pocket. He's physical. They were going up in the third round. They weren't trying to trade back in for the safety more who we all thought.

We were watching the draft on and full, We're like, oh, they're trying to get back in for to various more. No, it was Armstrong. They were trying to get back into the draft four and then they said, Okay, let's let this thing ride, and they let it ride and they got him in the fourth round. We'll see if it if it all works out for him, but they were really really happy to get the kid. I just saw, like I say, the upper body power from him pushing

it was pretty impressive. Absolutely, he's sort of like Covington. He passed the eye test. Yes, now let's see what you do. He's a good looking kid. Football. Seventy looks like he can do it. Change that number when Yeah, yeah, they're not gonna give him seventy four, right, No one has that. No one should, No, no one should. There are a few numbers that should. Just eighty two goes away now for a while, maybe forever. Yeah, maybe for a while too. I think it's probably gonna arrest that one.

I can see eighty eight coming back one day, but it's just not probably at the Lake Tay when that happens. Yeah, but they got to be careful because those eighties you start using them, I know, and receivers and have a bunch of guys in the teens. Hate to see a lot of wide receivers with teen numbers. And I think that's so weird that coventeen wore four. Yeah, it's just weird to see the college numbers. Yeah, quarterback, he just kept it. Yeah, it is weird. So you know, we'll

see the guys out there. We won't get a chance to really look at ots until Wednesday. Yeah, every Wednesday from every every Wednesday will have an opportunity starting next week. Starting next week, right right, we'll be able to do that. And then of course the three day mini camp and then followed with Cowboys you yeah, you out there. I mean, you know what. The thing, it's always funny, we I know people are ready for this because then we're not because we just kind of keep working. It seems like

it gets closer and closer and closer. But when you get to this point, now it's going to start being training camp or be getting on a plane. Taylor be talking about Toby standing on the tarmact just sweating through a dress, talking about oh hey, here's so and so getting on the plane. You're so and so getting on the plane. You know, it's almost time, That's what I'm saying.

Getting hot. Yeah, it gets you get to that June, that middle of June, and you're kind of like, Okay, it might be four weeks, but it feels like four days, you know, when you do. I know everybody out there is ready for the season to start and all that, but folks, please just let us take a month off here. Let us let us just take a month off July. Yeah. Please, just let us go away, and I promise you will come back, will be better than ever. Please. Daniel says

Bow is going to prove Brian wrong big time. Which way, I don't know. It might be an Alabama Fam special teams guy. Yeah, I hope. No, I'm not against Bow. I mean I don't, I don't quite. I mean, I just been pointing out there's a reason why he was a seventh round pick. Let's be honest. You know, there's other backs that are more The Wildly kid from Iowa was a far more talented overall player than him, you know,

But you know, I'm not against the kid. There's see what he's gonna to do to make this football team. There's no illusions about what he is. And he described himself draft weekend. He's a bruiser, He's a Dallas Hill, I'm gonna hit you in the mouth. Running back he is not. But in the in the in the line of alb Look at the Look at the number of touches he has as compared to Alabama running backs throughout history that have all that have all played in this league.

Richardson and the kid down in uh in New Orleans and all that Ingram. Look at the history of those guys. He has the least amount of touches of all those guys. So the reason he was two hundred and something draft choice. I'm just telling you that. You know, I'm not against the kid. I'm just telling you what his potential, what he's gonna have to do to make this team. I hope he I hope he proves I hope all these

kids prove me wrong. I don't j Yeah. Plus, they know everything they need to know about him, Saban and Garrett. I think that's why they drafted him. I think that's why they took him. Yeah, first time Jason has done that. Draft a Saban guy. But Yeah, he's got They got the book on all the Sabama guys for sure. Yeah, all right, Mickey Ramone wants to know quickly, what is your prediction on the starting old line, starting old line left or right? Well, Williams is gonna win that job

left guard. Yeah, yeah, see will Lele Collins stays where he wants and Cameron Frons your swing tackle, Collins Martin, Frederick, Williams Smith, and he told us that's where he's working so far as that. Yeah, Carl Williams, he's a straight focused guy. Yes, you know, if you talked to him, you're talking about good interview answers. He's just right there, perfect perfect team for him to play on with the way as a young guy stepping in with all those all pros on this team. And you know what the

good thing is, he knows it. Yep, he respects, not like he's coming in trying to big time and everybody. He realized it's all and not to use the word cliche, but it's a privilege to play between Tyrant Smith and Travis Frederick. That will help him so much. If things start to go a little bad for a couple of plays, all of a sudden he's got those guys kind of picking up his slack. There's nothing wrong with having those two guys and helping him out and double team blocks

and you know, scoop blocks and things like that. They'll they'll get the kids. We have to remember he's transitioning. He was a tackle, so now he's moving inside. And and Frederick asked answered the question about what's Oh no, Martin did the transition from guarding tackle going inside? And he goes, it's just the fact that you're going to have somebody bull rushing you every plate. They're coming after

you physically every plate. There's no finesse inside. Yeah. And Dorn's Armstrong and Connor William saw each other a lot in college. Yeah, he did. He gave up one sack in his career, and I believe it was the Dorn's Armstrong one sack. That's a great stat. And how did you find that out? I heard it from somebody. I'm not taking credit for that one, but yeah, someone said the one sack he had they gave up was to Armstrong.

It's like a Dane Brugler stat. Maybe, Yeah, I said that Texas, Yeah might yeah, yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys, for joining us today. Another great episode with these guys just bringing you the knowledge. Will have much more than you. Guys have a Chris Covington feature this week. We do, Kurtis, stay doing that. We will see you next Talking Tuesday for another edition of Talking Cowboys ZA. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.