Talkin' Cowboys: Remaining Needs?

Studios at the Star in Frisco. And it is another triumph of another week of Dallas Cowboys offseason talk. The NFL Draft in the review mirror, the rookie minicamps right on the horizon. As We've got plenty to talk about. And we talked a lot about defense over the last couple of episodes, and deservedly so because the Cowboys spent eight draft picks on defensive players. But guess what, We're gonna talk some offense today. Change it up a little bit and talk about the offense. Glad you're with us.

Kyle Yeoman's, Robbed Phillips, We've got Isaiah stand Back heck, my Harrison as always the world famous shirt. The shirt is amazing. What's that material? What is it? Lt is? What it is? A pack up? No, I got it from the pro shop. Man. You have to check it out. They knew who I was in the pro shop. I'm huge in the Pro shop. Bro, I've never seen that one. It's like him and BUCkies. I think it's custom. This is the kind of velvet painting it on something like that. Yeah,

I don't do to paint it on. You know. You know what Isaiah does do though, that none of us else could do. He ran the one hundred meters before he did. Yeah, how'd you fair? What's your time? I placed fifth in pac tens? Which is U say that I'm not good enough? But I ran a ten four ten four. Let me ask you this, what is it with wide receivers in this confidence that makes y'all believe that you could just walk out on the track and well, to be fair, I was. I was a quarterback at

the time. Heck, oh, my bad, bad, my bad, starting quarterback. I was, you know, not to say I was a fast quarterback in the nation, but anyway, just a double back. M No, I mean I admire and I recognize. Um, I acknowledge what Decay did. UM I respected, I respected. He's faster than I was at that time. I can tell you that you buy by a step or so. So as a large human being running against a lot of fast human beings. Um And like he said, most guys wouldn't do that. Most guys would not put themselves

in a position to lose. You know what you're going to lose, But you're putting yourself in an environment where other people are better than you, so all you can do is get better. So what we're talking about. By the way, just for those who you who haven't necessarily seen this on social media, it's blown up on Twitter and it's blown up around social media. But Seattle Seahawks wide receiver DK Metcalf decided to run the one hundred

meters in attempt to qualify for the qualifiers of the Olympics. Basically, right, he wanted to try and make the Olympic trials and that's what this race was. He ended up running out what it was a ten three six and three six and which is pretty good. He finished that ninth in the heat. That's rolling really good. And yeah, by the way he was racing, like you said, against guys that he outweighed by forty pounds, and that's what they do. That's where I was going, Yes, because Nick and I

were talking about this upstairs. There's got to be some technique stuff involved. He is times of it doing on a daily basis. Right, he had the same struggles I had when you're that size. I think when I was running, I think it was two twenty five, so he had ten pounds on me, and he ran faster. You know, when you're that size and you're most of the guys you're running against number one and like five eight five nine, right, and these guys are light there there. They've been trained

since since birth to run fast in a straight line. Right, He's trained to move grown men out the way, he's trained to cut right. He's trying to do all these things. So he has to work very different, very very hard, all right, on getting out on his dry phase, on his first thirty meters, on all the different phases of the race. These guys don't have to really, I mean they're thinking about it, but like it's natural for them. It's muscle natural. Yeah, it's muscle memory. So respect to him,

man for putting that platform, putting that in perspective. We have the state titles, state tournament track me in Austin, there was a kid ran a nine nine. That's disrespectful, it's unbelievable. Yeah, high school. And so I mean we wanted to just kind of give problems with because he caught a lot of slack on Twitter for what exactly this night. He's faster than Yeah, he finished night. That's probably why because he lost other normal human being that

gets out there car and goes in a grocery store. Yeah, no way. If a pit bull got loose, he's getting loose. He's getting away. You're not. Yeah, that's that's the fact, completely agreed, that's putting it in perspective for real. Everybody want to if a pit bull got loosen, you're going to dug On grocery store, right, You're going to the grocery store and going to Groger's. He is getting away.

Everybody else not me, No, No, I told y'all line Mickey Spagnola up against me, and I'm confident everybody else. I don't have any confident that a race. So what about your time? What do you think you're doing? A hunt? Oh god, I don't even want to know on this fifteen sixteen you do better than that if you're real, I don't really know. Yeah, you would have to. Can you can you beat can you beat CB? Can you beat Chris Be? Yeah? I could beat Chris Beam. Yeah,

that's I could do that. Chris Bean was yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't crime you want to So you want to set this up or no? That's a no? Yeah, the violence, I would see it. What do we really have this conversation on Twitter? Jesse? Wasn't Jesse involved with? Yeah? Well we talked about a combine like yeah, between the shows, we also talked about you guys racing. Yeah, let's do it. I'd be down, let's do it. Let's do it up on the Tostitos Championship

plason and run a race. Do you need to start? Uh, let's do one clean and then then I'll try and do it head. Sorry, we'll do that. How about that? Yeah? Just destroyed me and then yeah that would yeah. Uh So going from more of a sprint to what has been a metrathon for the Dallas Cowboys, and that's trying to find a backup quarterback and at least over the last couple of years, it hasn't necessarily been a place

of confidence for this franchise outside of Andy Dalton. I mean, I guess pretty much Andy Dalton was the best backup quarterback this Cowboys team has seen in a long time. He, of course, is now in Chicago going to battle it out with Justin Fields. Poor Andy Dalton going up there, and then they go and draft Justin Fields. But my question to you guys, and this is actually a mail back question that we'll hit the other mail back question in our second segment, and Rob you got a chance

to answer this. I'll start with you, are the Cowboys confident at backup quarterback? Because they didn't take one in the draft last year. It took until after the draft to go and find a guy like Andy Dalton, So it was right around this time that's when you start hearing rumors like we did last week with Jeff Driscoll maybe potentially coming in, or he at least came and visited, but there was no deal made. Are the Cowboys actively shopping to try and find a veteran backup quarterback at

this point? Yeah, I would say they are. I mean, I don't. They haven't found an answer there yet, and I don't know if they will. It's not the same. You know, there's not an Andy Dalton just sitting out there who's got one hundred and thirty three starts and made three Pro Bowls. But I think they're constantly looking for it. Mike McCarthy said it a couple of weeks ago. Competition. We always are looking for that competition there behind Dak Prescott. And you know, when you look at the number of

starts that Garrett Gilbert has that been. Denucci has one start in his career and it wasn't great timing for him last year as a rookie, and then Cooper Rush has been you know, very minimal playing time behind Dak, and then you know behind any Dalton last year. They just don't have a lot of experience. So Driscoll did come in Friday. He's got nine career starts. No deal was there. It sounded like maybe he's got some options.

You know, maybe it's good to get cut after the drafts your quarterback because the tea teams are always looking for more quarterbacks. If that deal doesn't materialize, I think there's still a chance there's another vet brought in, but I don't know who exactly that would be. And it's not a you know, it's not a wide field there, but he would be an upgrade in terms of experience at least. Isaiah, what would you look for in a backup quarterback here? Because I mean from somebody who's played

the position before. You can always look out there and see the numbers, and the numbers for a lot of these guys aren't fantastic. Jeff Driscoll, Robert Griffin, the Third, Matt Barkley, Josh McCown. I guess Jamis Winston technically is still available, but he'll go back to New Orleans or whatever that ends up being. I mean, there's not great

numbers along the way. But why would a backup quarterback in this scenario where you do have a Cooper Rush, where you do have a Bandannucci, and you have these guys, why would there be a beneficial part of getting a backup quarterbacks? So you need a veteran, You prefer to have a veteran backup quarter the reason being because of

the position that your team is in. Your your team personnel wise, is in a position that you feel like you're gonna be probably in the run for playoffs, right you should you looking at our roster, you would think that we would have a playoff run. Sure, So being that that's the case, right, you have to look at it in a situation or aspect. If we were to lose our starting quarterback, say the week before the playoffs, what type of quarterback do we want coming in here?

Do we want a guy that's that's just a young talent that you know, who has potential, or do we want somebody who's proven, who knows how to handle situations, who has experienced and that doesn't need to do anything extra but just simply needs to guide our team to the finish line. So that's when I think about backups. That's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at somebody, Hey, week one to get hurt. Can he carry us through

the whole season. I'm looking at hey, worst case scenario, right, somebody gets hurt right at the right key point, key point of the season. What can this person do for us? And what kind of experience do they bring playoffs? Giants lose Phil Sims, Jeff Fossetler just comes in and we need to win a couple of games, he gets it done, that's it, and that's that's what you're looking for. Right. So as I'm looking at this list these free agents,

I'm not happy. Um, you know, I think I made it knowing some some time back up months back that I was looking for Blaine Gabbert and you know, he went to Tampa. I think that was probably the best guy that we could have gotten, but Tampa wasn't gonna let that go. But a couch job for Blaine Gabbert. Chilling.

It's been behind TV twelve. But I mean, if you just think about last season and you approach it from a crime crime scene investigative, put the blue light on the quarterbacks room and there were splatters up against the wall. It just did not go well for the backup quarterback. Come on, God, just keep it real cowboys, all right. So it was, you know, we didn't fare well in

that's when when Dak went down. And it's not like we were on a roll before Dak got hurt, but at least we started to see the game started to slow down a little bit in that in the COVID season that we were having. But you know, you make a point, you know, you don't want to find out what you have at the end of the season and you're trying to make a run and then guy comes off the bench and he's not what you thought he was.

And so, I mean, for a period of time, especially after the Washington football team game when Andy Dalton went down, we were just at limbo at the quarterback position. And you think about how many injuries we had on the offensive line and all of that. It's just relative to the fact that there wasn't going to be any success either way, right, and so you got to kind of shore up that position. And whether we stayed with Gilbert, which he has experiences, experience and starts as one or

two couple, yeah, but not a lot. But I mean if you think about the position, the backup quarterback position in the NFL, I mean, if any of these guys were in any position to compete for a one of those thirty two jobs, they would be on that roster to do it. Oh yeah. And it's not the same cap as it was last year where you know they slotted however million many million it was for Andy Dalton last year. And to your point, if Dad goes down

for a significant period of time, you're probably screwed. Yeah, I mean you're probably not gonna you know, you have to, like Jerry said when he went down, you know, they said they had to adjust their expectations. But heck made the point, like Isaiah's idea of Andy Dalton could have been that guy if everything else was perfect around him. The biggest thing was losing both your starting tackles. Yeah,

that changes how you play football. I mean that changes you know, you don't have the things you can lean on in terms of protection and balance that way. And I hate to use this team as a reference Archyle, but you know the fairytale story that the the Boo Eagles had with Nick Foles, right, I mean, WinCE goes down here, he comes off the bench and he only has a few win situations where he has to win, and he goes in and he does it. I mean it's not like he played out of his mind. He

just didn't turn the ball over. And that's what you

need from your back up. So that kind of brings me to the question of Andy Dalton last year, and we had talked about this previously, how the tackles were the biggest loss, and then Andy Dalton was kind of the one that had to deal with that, that heat kind of had to took that bear that on his job, on his back, because I mean he came in and of course that Washington game on the road is the one that sticks in my mind the most where he just got destroyed at the end of that game, unfortunately.

But looking at a backup quarterback situation, now, I mean, the one guy I look at is maybe Blake Bortles, or maybe you could go get a Blake Bortles if you're wanting starting experience. He's got the most starts out there by far. I thought Jamis was back with New Orleans. He is, He's on this list, but when I was going down the list and I read him, and I was like, I don't think that's true. So but yeah, he's back, But Blake Bortles, Brian Hoyer, maybe I don't

really want anybody outside of those two. I think I would rather ride with a Garrett Gilbert or a Cooper Rush at that point, or even Ben da Nucci. He's not a rookie anymore. He's had at least one look at a professional defense. So that brings me to my question, is is this Cowboys team outside of the quarterback position. Where do they need to find or what else do they need to find this offseason? What are those extra needs?

Because you feel a couple of them, some offensive line depth in the draft, you got an actual wide receiver. Where do you see the needs lying on the offensive side of the football moving into the ladder parts of this offseason? And I think you feel good. I think you feel good about Ezekiel Elliott coming back into the season. You last year, I didn't just let's throw twenty twenty away for Zeke because he led the league in fumbles,

everything bad, Everything you don't need. And even in the situation like where you lose your starting quarterback, you expect for the running game with the star athlete like Zeke to at least carry you through some games. And obviously your quarterback is gonna have to make some throws. But I just feel like Zeke is going to be the key to this season, getting us back in the win column and just getting that feel good around here, because look, he has to have a bounce back season. I think

he will. I think you will. I mean, I think we addressed it obviously a ton last year. There's no running back inside from the dude by the name of Barry Enters that would have been successful without they're starting off as a line just matter. It's just not happening, right. So I've been I've personally been in that position where you know, some of your guys go down and now you're in a position where you have to create, right,

and now of a sudden you're trying to create. Now things that were important, like securing a ball aren't as important because you're trying to make something happen, right, And that's what he ran into last year. Is Zeke is still Zeke, Zeke stills Zeke. I know he's working. I've been seeing some of the things. He's been looking good, and he does look good. You know, he's focusing. He's a competitor, right, and we know and one thing about competitors,

they're always gonna bounce back. So um, I look forward to him having a great year, buddy. Everything on his offense, everything on everybody's office, depends on your office a line. I agree Kyle about the backup thing. I'm fine with them signing any anybody that's somewhat of a veteran, like a Drisco or somebody else and just compete. You know, maybe Garrett Gilbert plays better in training camp in preseason,

but just get that competition to see who's better. As far as needs, Isaiah, let me write to it, man. They got to figure out their swing tackle situation. And I know they signed Tyni Seki, who's been maybe a little underrated in his career as a guy that stepped in and done a good job when he's needed to face the Cowboys with Washington and did a nice job there. He's been in Buffalo. They draft Josh Ball, but they

got to figure that out because you know Tyrn. You know he's hopefully he's back to where he needs to be. But even when before this neck deal he was gonna miss three games, you know, where's your confidence level? They say they're confident. If they say they're confident, and the fact that they restructured his deal, that makes me feel confident too, that they're willing to push more money down the road that he's gonna be Okay, do I think

he's gonna play sixteen starts? He hasn't done that and I don't know how many years, So you have to be ready for that. They're trying to be ready for that. But you know, maybe the answer is Zach Martin, you know, and they don't play around with that anymore and say, oh,

two positions. What it now is that wherever there's an injury at tackle, Zach Martin's your tackle left or right, and Connor mcgovernors your starting guard and just fix it that way and don't mess around with young guys trying to come in and play tackle that they aren't ready or aren't good enough to be productive consistently. So still

Steele was thrown to the Wolves last year. I mean the same that you look at the backup quarterback situation if you don't feel that way about Steele in the swing tackle position or Brandon Knight, and they fought, you know, but they're young guys against them, really good rushers in this division and they didn't have a lot of consistent success. So they did add in the SEC and I feel better that way. But do I feel great about it?

You should know. And it's kind of like quarterback. It's like if you're if your cornerstone left tackle goes down, there aren't many of those guys out there, so I don't know if you feel great whenever you lose your guy like that. Tyni Secki by the way has not had a start since Week five of twenty nineteen, I believe is when his last start was, and he's had one start of the last two years, seventeen over his career,

and he's played in eighty one games. So if it's a lot and is PFF, numbers are pretty good, pretty yeah, yeah, not bad. But if you're looking for a guy to come in and be your swing tackle, I don't know if seventeen starts out of eighty one career games since twenty twelve is anything that gets me excited. But it's a luxury. I mean, how many teams have a great backup tackle that just I mean, that's why Zach comes in my mind. It's like with Zachi play anywhere, We'll

put him anywhere. Who do you feel better about cam Irving last year or Tynesski this year? Which is tough to say hindsight twenty twenty seeing cam Irving not play the majority of the year as well miss ten games. Yeah, I would say in a SECU just based off hopefully availability. Isaiah, I don't know. I don't have Yeah, I can't. You haven't. You haven't watched a ton of Dyna Seki tape have not goodness, Come on, what kind of professional are you know?

I mean, the confidence isn't there, and I think Rob just kind of goes that that you have to you know, these tyrant Smiths don't grow on trees. You don't see these quite often. And we just need seventeen games this season, but it's been five years, six years since he's started an entire season, and even looking at Zach Martin in that role to move him away from are just gives me the you know, bubble guts too, because he got

hurt at right tackle. So you know, look, the thing is is that we didn't do a lot in the draft in those earlier rounds to get what we consider those, you know, top tier guys. So we're gonna be relying heavily on the balls and steels and night and all those guys to kind of make way to be that. But you know, we've mcgoverned. We've had so many guys that we've drafted along the way that we have to rely on to at least turn you know the learning

curve be there and see what they have. I think preseason is going to be very important to get a gauge on what the offensive line is going to look like us right now based off of last year, we're not confident and what we saw they needed it last year too. They definitely needed it last year that preseason. And maybe Josh Ball turns out to be Doug Free. You know, a guy that gets drafted the middle rounds and Isaiah's teammate and it turns out to be a

veteran for ten years. Who knows, but right now, you know it just it's like backup quarterback. You just I don't know if you ever feel great about it. You know, well, if you had to choose between getting a veteran right now for a quarterback position or offensive line position, which one you go with? Oh, that's a good question. It's a great question. I think I would probably look at

offensive line. I would because I mean, not adding one in the draft was a byproduct of how bad your defense was and missed first round second round picks previously. If Jalen Smith and Laton vander Esh played up to their potential of a first round pick. In a second round pick, you're not gonna pick Michael Parsons there at ten or I guess at twelve, but you're not gonna pick him there you're gonna pick for shats later and you're gonna ride because you have a little bit of

a luxury room. You didn't have that luxury. You needed to go with the defensive player at that point, or at least that's what they thought, and they went and they took a Micah Parsons there because they missed on some of those picks previously. So I think I would still add a veteran offensive lineman because a tackle for sure. Okay, yeah, tackle. I feel decent about the guard spot with Martin Williams hopefully being healthy throughout. I mean, I feel decent there.

That's an average positions favorite. Oh he's not my favorite either. I tried to replace him with Rashawns later for like six months. But I would feel better there if in terms of availability at the guard spot rather than tackles. And that's why I think tackle would probably be my priority there. If you're telling me, I could find another Andy Dalton to just have have him ready just in case, give me that, because I mean, I'm confident DA's gonna

be good, you know, I'm not. I'm not worried about that. But in the event something happens, your season is just in major jeopardy, you know, in terms of playoffs, without your without your starter. And I think just das you know, his durability over the years kind of lulled us to sleep. And when we saw him go down, go down, and we realized he wouldn't come back, I think we took the glass off the button and smashed it. And without

you know, the guy that was especially Isaiah's coming up. Hey, you know this may be the start of something, but he's just to your question, I really believe backup or the back. I want to be assured of that. And even thinking about the Super Bowl Kansas City, you know, they didn't have a chance in that game because of all of the injuries that they had an offensive line. So you know, it's it's it's a little it's a lot of give and take, and you can't have one

without the other. But I think if we had a little bit of a mobile quarterback last year, maybe we would have a fair just a tad been better because look, man Dag was running for his life. Nay, he was. He was. That's why people liked Gilbert and that one start because he moved a little bit. He moved a little bit. You know and had a little moxy to him a little bit. Yea, more so than Benda Nucci. And I mean Benda Nucci can move too. Yeah, he's got some athleticism too, but he just wasn't ready for

NFL speed. He wasn't ready for that prep speed. Poorn, he just wasn't. Y'all gave a nick name Nucci Man. Yeah, I tried to pump him up. Let's just go make high school Kyle happy and go sign RG three because I grew up in Wake Goo, so second bar was out there. Yeah, nah, go, I'm going with a starting I don't want a guard. You want to guard. I want to start in veteran guard over a tackle or

backup quarterback. I'm going with a starting veteran guard. And then I'm putting I'm letting Cardin Williams get back to what he's used to. Mmm. Oh, you're you're not even worried about a backup? You want a starter? Yeah? Where are you gonna get that with the kind of money that they have, though, that's my question. I don't know. Somebody's gonna be a discount, double check, discount, double closer. You get to the season, though, the guys guy percent

off sticker on the on the flat screen TV. That's what That's what Isaiah's trying to look for. It's easier to find a veteran guarden is to find a tackle, like we're talking about. It's a lot easier to find somebody inside. It's true, bod, easier to find somebody inside. So that's all I'm saying. You just gotta find him. You might you might might have your you might have your swing tackle. Backup swinging tackle on the team is uh okay. So we've talked about offensive line. We've talked

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It's something amazing though it's like twenty five, it's five five. Yeah, whatever it was, it was, it was. It just made us all feel terrible about it. So he's never seen a human with that kind of vision. Movie. I don't even want to hear this. You here here is this is this robo? That is that robo Isaiah robo cops. Goodness? Uh, going into mailbag Monday here of course, on talking Cowboys to do it every Monday throughout the off season when

we have a good question to answer. And this one comes from Greg from the great tropical city of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Great city, by the way. Uh, seems like almost every draft site had tight End as a big area of need. I personally think we're in pretty good shape there. Obviously Dallas would have liked to look at Kyle Pitts had he slipped a little bit, but that didn't happen, of course, but area of need, and you put that in quote marks, I think this team is

much more important area of need. Am I missing something? And I don't necessarily disagree. I saw the same thing on a lot of the draft sides, and I've kind of rolled my eyes a little bit, But you look at it. Blake Jarwin, He's not a guarantee. He had the half of a game before he got hurt last year and out for the season. What is he going to be like in his return? That's a huge question mark to me. You can rely on Dalton Schultz to a certain extent, but we also had very low expectations

for the tight end position last year. He exceeded those expectations, but once again, it was a pretty low bar from the get go. So my question is to you guys, is tight end a little bit more of a need than we're thinking? Are we missing something here? What do you think about that position? Overall? I thought we were done with Kyle Pitts talk. I thought we were done almost conversations saying there's a chance it never ends. It never ends turning into Earl Thomas is what it is. Ah. Yeah,

you could blame David him. I do blame David Hilmoth, and I think I think the national media got enamored with the idea of a splashy draft pick, Kyle Pitts coming in just making this offense even crazier in terms of talent than it was. And I said, you know Todd McShay top need for the Cowboys on ESPN and he had tight end, Like wow, okay, dude, Like I respect his work, but like anybody that covers this team or watches this team on a on a close basis knows you can get by with what you got at

tight end. Even if Blake Jarwin, everything we've heard is he's good with his react deep. Even worst case that doesn't work out, you got a guy that proved he could be a starter in the NFL. And if worst case goes beyond that, they signed another veteran Sprinkle, Jeremy Sprinkle, who can do it. You know he could step in him need be Noah Brown. Heck, I would put Noah Brown at tight end if it really came down to it. I see, you know, saw some plays from him at

the wide receiver position. I think you could line him up and do that too. He's bubbling up. No, I'm just saying, if it came all the way down to it, they they're okay, they can get by. Yes, we can definitely get back. I think I feel good about our tight ends, especially how we utilize our tight ends. That's what people need to understand. When you start looking at personnel on rosters, you have to understand it's not just about the talent. It's not just about what they're capable of.

Like think about Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is a receiving tight end. He's not blocking anybody in the NFL. I'm just no disrespect to him. I don't see him putting his hand on the ground and and blocking for for Matt Ryan. It's just not going to happen. Um, So adding him on this roster does nothing because you just paid Jarwin. We have a we have a Pitts, right, we have a we have a guy who can take the top off. We have Jarwin, and Jarwin's gonna pay

fulfill his role. Unfortunately he got hurt last year. But what we're gonna ask him to do he does well right, which is run right, run straight, right, run straight, put pressure on the safeties and I guess what, we got three dogs at a wide receiver that can that can get open. That's what you're asking the tight end to

do in this system. Show to the heck of a job last year, obviously coming in and feeling in for it for drawing, But you think about the potential having both of those guys being able to come in and run a two tight set, be able to run a wing set, have those guys doing all kinds of underneath routes and things of that nature. They're going to fulfill

what we're asking them to do. They do. They don't need to be you know, zach Ertz or any of these other guys out there, because that's not their role here. And then we bring into then we got Sprinkle. We got Sprinkle. South Bay Bay has his restaurant here, so Sprinkles here now, and you know he's gonna come in and put some hands on somebody. So it's about no different than the Parsons pick. What are we asking them to do at their position? That's what we're gonna put

them position to do. Well. I think that you know, the NFL everyone is admiring, you know, these new offenses. And the Kelsey Kildel argument comes in because you see Kelsey top five and receiving from the tight end position their ability to maximize the middle of the field because they're stretching everybody out on the outside. And so you you admire that, and you say, I want one of those and we don't, and you that's what you would

say would be the need. But we have so many receivers that can do so many multiple things in this offense. And the one thing that I always worry about is how do we utilize our tight ends right now? And so even if we had a pitch, what would we do with that in this office, with the other with the other weapons that we have. What numbers could he post as a rookie that would make him significant nod another receiver. I think if he drafted Kyle Pits, you

would probably deal one of the receivers. In my opinion, I think that's probably what would be the next move, kind of like Atlanta's got him and Julio Jones might be on the move at some point. Maybe kind of thing. But when it comes down to when it comes down to the injuries last year, right, you know, Dalton shows to me, he showed up and we were not looking for him, and there were so many question marks over him.

We didn't even know if he was gonna make it a new training camp once the belldozer came in and there was those were those, there were the questions, and he showed up for he did a lot of good things in blocking run blocking. He showed and that was supposedly quote unquote one of his weaknesses. He was giving effort. He I mean, he doesn't have enough weight in his in his drawers to hold his own in there. But he was given good good offseason. Maybe he can sack up. Yeah,

I mean that's that's little I know. Yeah, but m Jordan said about Kyle Pitts is he's a little lighting, little light, yeah, tight in and like that's that didn't Maybe the one gripe is that they don't have a guy that can do it all at that position, like you said, Blake's you know, he's a stretch of the field guy. Dalton did improve. I think in that regard, Sprinkle can help in that regard. Blake Bell was kind of their guy. But in this system, you don't have

to be a jack of all trades. In this system at that position, you really don't, right, you need you need a guy to come in and have his hand in the ground and be able to run and you know what say we got. We put Sprinkle in the game. Guess what, I don't care if they think that we're gonna run the ball. Once sprinkles in the game, it

doesn't matter. We're either gonna run the ball behind him or we're either gonna have him sit in there, him and the Hito of Collins and block right and I guess but oh yeah, we got those three dudes out there that I can render routes all day long. So you're not asking one guy to be your savior because you have so much already. Yeah, Sprinkle's gonna come in and he's gonna be your blocking tight Yeah, you've got Shults who going to do a little bit of both.

Jarwin's gonna be the one that will attack the hash marks and seems up the middle. So there's there's potential there with that, with the position overall, and I think whenever it comes to the side end position, both of you guys made this point, and I think it's the best way to think about it. With the weapons you have on offense, you don't need the tight ends to be exceptional. You don't need them to be next level. You need your tight ends. You need sholts, you need Jarwin.

You need sprinkle to just be adequate. If you're adequate, your offense is firing on all cylinders. And of course the offensive line needs to be good, but you're asking those guys to do to be excellent at exactly why you're Why did you pay jar one take the top off, because that's it. You're not because he's the most shifty tight end in the world back in the middle of the field. He's got good hands. Because in your system, he's that valuable to you. In your system, what you're

asking him to do, he's that valuable to you. And that's it goes back to our conversation last week when we start talking about the linebacker pick in the first round. He's that valuable to us because of what he's gonna do in accordance with the other guys that he's gonna be playing next to. And that's what you have. That's what people don't understan when they start looking at personnel, people get started losing their mind. All he can't do this, isn't this, Yeah, but guess what what he can do

very well is exactly what this offense needs. But also a better blocker. And so I mean, even when you talk about sprinkle and look, man, these defensive coordinators in the league, if they see any weaknesses and they they come and study you, and you bring sprinkle in, We are you about to hand it to Zeke? We come in at you, you know, right away, and so you

can't divulge what you're gonna do. So and so that's why that was the problem that I had with Bell because you know that he wasn't doing a lot even in Kansas City's offense as a receiving tight end. He was more of a blocker. So the way that this offense, the way that it looks on paper, it looks explosive, looks like we're gonna be able to stretch the field, really looks like there isn't going to be anything that we can do. But right now at the tight end position,

there has to be another question there. Which guy is going to start the season. Yeah, if he's healthy, I'm saying, if he's healthy's come back from ACL so what you don't know, I think he'll be fine. Well, I don't know about that, but it was so early into last year. I think his rehab is gonna be help me there. I don't know if we'll see him at OTAs in mini camp just because that's not how they play do it? Yeah, just getting ready to shoot me down now we'll be

talking about it this summer. He's got an insight track that we don't know about. Sixty three catches from Shultz last year. If you're if you're it is and if but if you're line is healthier, he's probably not getting those opportunities. Probably forty underneath. But that's okay, you know, just just be efficient. I would take what they give you. Yeah, I would rather have Dalton Schultz with forty catches, but

have our offense firing on all. Who do you think who do you think Dak is going to rely on? I mean, he's coming back from an injury. Who do you that first read? Getting the ball out of his hand, not taking any punishment to tight end right, So it's important that that brings up an interesting interesting point. Now you mentioned this a minute ago, but flexibility is something that I think this tight end position has. Is there a chance we add some more? I got to ask

this question on Twitter. Simi Phoko, the wide receiver that was drafted by the Cowboys out of Stanford six foot four two and twenty five pounds, big long arms of four four three forty. Is there a chance that he could maybe be thrown as maybe like an in line tight end at some point. He's a good blocker. You watched him on film. He's decent. Now he's extremely undersized for the tight end position, but I don't think that's necessarily out of the question if you wanted to throw

some flexibility and modern looks into this offense. You played the y you know that they you know, when I was in at the end of my career playing with Mercedes Louis, Mercedes was kind of the you know, the hand in the ground type guy, and I was kind of the wingback. Right that's when the Aaron Hernandez error was kind of kind of coming too a hit. I

could see him playing a role in that. But even then, like I was still treated as a receiver, and I was two hundred and forty five pounds at that time, right, So no matter what if you if you're if you're looked at as a receiver, they're putting a dog, they're putting over they're putting a nickel in there. So basically off you're basically off the line of scrimmage, going in motion, cut blocking on the backside, you know what I'm saying,

running flat route. Yeah, he could feel that need, but they'll they'll they'll probably do it from a four wide set. Um utilizing him in a four white setting, use him in short motion, that's most likely what they'll end up doing. So for instance, when I was playing in New England, I was a bigger, bigger receiver, right, So I'll be out there with Moss. I would motion down and then I would chip on like matthis or you know what

I'm saying, or guys like that. You know guys you know great edge rushers and you know, just hit that and then get into a flat route. So because he's a big, big, physical, you know, physically imposing, they'll utilize him tight end ish, but he won't have his hand in the ground. Ye's not buildozer. Yeah yeah, yeah. It can't go back those guys to your point right two And you said two hundred forty five pounds, that's what

I was. I was getting thrown out the club and I was considered one of the strongest, you know, strong dude. I was getting thrown out the club by defensi alignment Like that's you just don't go in their clubhouse like that's what they do. Like you come in here, I'm no white teas in the club. I'm throwing it out right, Um, I mean, I mean so so unless you go These are grown men, and these dudes are getting more and

more explosive, more powerful. You know, just just in general, were talking about d K two hundred and thirty five pounds running running at ten three. That is insane. It's no different than when you try to go out there and try to put your hand in the ground of two hundred and forty five pounds tight end, try to go in there and cut block on the nose tackle good luck? What is Noah brown Way? I'm going back, come on, what's up with you today? No, he's bigger

than that. It's probably twenty five Okay, I saw it. Yeah, so he's two inches shorter than Phoko. But we tried that already in the Seattle playoff. I believe he played a little bit of tight end. I mean, he was serviceable, but like Asaiah said, he's not going down in that funk area. He'll stay out of there. You want to keep him. I remember I remember getting a chip shot on Dwight Freeney and like how that go? It went? Well?

My my job, My task was what's the chip Freeney on to our left tackle was a big, big vall for New England. I can't remember anyways, chip him and just like boom, buff him enough just to give him an edge so he can get his hands on him, because otherwise you can't. You can't get your hands on Freey. He's gonna go task Manian devil on you, right, so I get give a little chip on him boom and I ran a little flat route and that's my job, just to give a little right two hundred thirty five

pounds receiver and that'll be his role. And that's his role, you know. But then when those guys come looking for you, just you know, gett Yeah, did you see it? Did you see that? Did you hear the shakiness in his voice when you said, like, how did that go? Because Jamie say he hit him down? And you get about the club getting out of there. Uh. Kind of sticking with semi Phohoko just real quickly before we take our second break. I don't think this is going to be

I don't think it's out of the question. He's your fourth wide receiver and just kind of looking at him and looking at what he could bring and where he could be and what he could do outside of maybe Noah Brown. I think he might be better than Noah Brown, like right now. And there's a good chance that you're going to see a lot of that competition coming up in training camp. That's gonna be fun. I'm excited about that.

And you disrespecting some guys. Man, you got Wilson and guys has been putting in work for centric Wilson I would probably put but I'm talking about for that big receiver that that why role that you're gonna see Phoko and Brown kind of fight over. Oh yeah, they're definitely fighting for the same same spot, no doubt, no doubt about it. I mean that's when Noah Brown saw that that draft pick come across. He should have known him. This is this is a show on I gotta show

him my button. Not only do I have to compete at the same level as him, I have to compete at a higher level. Now they have money invested. Yeah, and both guys on one year deals yea. Brown Ann said who But the one thing I would say is you're right. I mean on tape. He looks like better than a fifth round pick just based on his production in college. But white receiver seems to be a position that's hard to adjust to in the NFL. And I know you try to do it from the quarterback position,

but even guys that played and throughout college. Why why is that? You think it's all about systems. Yeah, it's all about systems. So I don't only think I don't think it's just a position in general. I think it's about how the coaches determine how they want to utilize you. And that's if you get in the right system, you'll be a beast. You'll be an absolute dog in this league if you have a coach who knows how to

utilize your skill sense. But if you're a skilled, talented guy and you kind of get wasted because of how they utilize you, you'll get buried and you'll never have the career that you want. And that's why I think Brown has a leg up because he knows the system, you know, and he's been a pet cat of thisist organization for a while, and so it's been a reason why they let him stay around. But you're right, I mean, it's gonna be competition. But that's what we want, absolutely,

that's what we want. So a couple more competition spots that we'll talk about coming up in this third segment. That's a great point though about Noah Brown because we talked about it defensively, there's no allegiance to a lot of these guys Tristin Hill, there's no allegiance to a lot of the players on this defensive side LV Jalen Smith because it's a new coaching staff. The coaching staff on the offensive side is relatively the same, Yes, and so Noah Brown does have some some some guys in

his corner in terms of the coaching staff. It'll be tough for Phohoko to come back and play and Dak yeah and Dac like he just he's a guy near the bottom of your roster that just is always a valuable guy to have you play special teams. He can't block that positions when you get drafted into the fifth round, what can you do on special team? Yea about We asked Phohoko about that and he was all for it. I mean yeah, but I mean, but do you do you expect him to run down on kickoff he hit somebody?

Do you expect him to turn his back on kickoff return run thirty five yards, turn around and get a block on somebody. Is he gonna really put his head? Like? These are real questions, right, These are kind of like, you know, make the roster question, you know, like because it is one thing to say, Oh yeah, I'm willing to do it. In no disrespect, I don't know the man, but you know, when you get out there special teams, like there's guys that you're facing, like that's how they

make their money. So if you don't show up ready to ready to play on special teams, you will get drug and every single special teams coach in the league will see it and you will never get a spot again. What is the biggest need for the Dallas Cowboys this offseason? We're gonna hit that question number one, no, No, Top five, no, top three, number one need for each of our four hosts.

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the various streaming platforms. That's Harrison. That's Isaiah stand back, there's Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Joms. We've got Scott Purcell guests punching in the bank. What how about that indie face? That is a it's Scott and Chris back there, Chris is giving lessons. So I mentioned this going into the break number one need for the Cowboys this offseason. And this doesn't have to be a position, it doesn't have to be a Chris is calling me out. I've got

to get a read. Whether you're listening to music or you're listening to us on Talking Cowboys. With both Quiet Comfort earbuds, you can experience audio at a whole new level. With Bose Quiet Comfort earbuds, you can experience that audio the official earbuds of the NFL and of the Dallas Cowboys. So now that I've said that, and we've got to keep going, I can do reads at the end of the wow you see that? Oh yeah, I'm all thrown off. Heck,

but what do they sound like? Rookie manicamp starts on Friday and it starts like a siving in my head face right by the boys. That's crazy. Crazy. You try to help you. I try Kyle. You know how much I look for There was the exit, and there was Kyle. I'm just exit, Kyle, Steve driving along, I had ways on and everything, and I just didn't even look at it. Well, okay, so now that I've got to just kind of backtrack quite a bit. You're a professional, you can am so

biggest need for the Dallas Cowboys this offseason. Kicks want to get Yeah, you want to give it over here. I'm not I'm not myself whenever I'm hungry. Um doesn't have to be a need in terms of a position it needs. It could be any kind of aspect of this franchise going into rookie Manicamp, going into training camp, and the future of this twenty twenty one campaign. What would be your number one wish list? What would be number one on that list? Isaiah? We'll go ahead and

start with you on this one. If you're wishing for something for this Cowboys team to find this off season, what would it be? Continuity? Continuity? I think I think these guys need to get on the same page. Last year was everything but that and obviously because of so many reasons, right, because of coaching staff, because of you know, personalities on the team because a lackluster effort because of health. But I think that, you know, take all those things

in all encompassing. I think that we need some continuity going into this season, um and I think if we could figure that out in all aspects, right from the coaching staff, from that, you know, the decision makers, the coach of staff, to the to the three phases of the game, I think we'll be all right. Right from a roster standpoint, we talked about backup quarterback, I would say, if they find another veteran that they can compete and they feel good about a little bit of depth there,

that's where I would go. Isaiah's kind nuity. I'm gonna build off of that and just say on the defensive side of the ball, just a better comfort level with the scheme, and I think they're gonna have OTAs as far as we know mini camp, I think that will help. There'll be some virtual components of it. I'm sure there are right now. That's got to be more concise and efficient and the communications got to be better from the

coaching staff to the players. If they get that, then you get into training camp and I think you feel better about it. Last year, McCarthy said that the virtual component of it was not good enough. They had three weeks of training camp, no games, and it showed on the field. Yeah, and before we get to heck Ones, I do kind of want to add on that is because there's probably going to be a virtual component to this offseason. If there is, it hasn't been already. You know,

there's been questions about what teams are gonna do. I mean lots of questions. But the Jets had their rookie mini camp and the OTAs mini camp are scheduled, you know, and I think that that will certainly help. But even then, I mean, for some of these rookies, are is everyone going to be in here? Is everybody going to be working out? Yeah, that's what That's what the plan answers, I think. So so that makes me feel a lot

better about that continuity. It makes me feel better because if there was a virtual aspect, and there might be down the road, who knows. The things change on a daily basis in the NFL, but if there is a virtual aspect, I don't feel as good about it because

I want that continuity. And Mike MacArthur even talked about it in his offseason press conference well before the draft, he said, usually we would go out to dinner and we'd go do this, we'd go do that, we'd have all of these team building activities, and whenever you don't have those, you don't realize how much you miss them. Whenever you go man, I mean, because whenever you're doing it, you feel like it might be an obligation or it's just like a minor thing. No, that's a big thing.

Especially with a new coaching staff. There's no replacement of time is spent together. There's just not and we had none of that last year, and for a first year coach, it was literally impossible for him to build that. So when you know together you're all wearing masks, you know it's not normal and you know nothing about it. But Jess, I mean, if you've ever been in the locker room, ever been a part of a football team, you just

know that. Then guys know each other in and out, and it's that time that you spend with one another. It's the trust that you have, it's the things that you have on the football field, end game that comes from those moments. And we had none of that, and it reflected I mean you saw it, guys who are

just playing for themselves and not one another. Well, and going back to the Jason Garrett era, I mean, Jason didn't do it everything right as a Dallas Cowboys head coach, but one of the things I think he did well was kind of established that continuity. You remember the All or Nothing TV show that the Cowboys had that documentary on Amazon or whatever. So after every meeting, what do

they do? They started like hugging each other and kind of like dapping each other up and just having that like camaraderie and that brotherhood and that kind of feel. You don't have any of that, any of that, you know, you don't have that though at this point. And I'm not saying that's gonna be like, oh, we're gonna go from six wins to a super Bowl because we climb

to say it, say it, say so super Bowl. Not what I'm saying, but I'm saying like something like that would help with continuity and like that quality time together is something of the Cowboys. I mean QT, I mean

no different than us being here in the studio together. Yeah, there's things that we will we will continue to get better at, right understanding nonverbal cues, right, you know, understand pretty you know how we how we transition into certain topics, right, all those type of things, right, you can only get that when you're around here, when you're a person. So just like that. You know, it's even more so when it comes to the locker room. All right, heck, what's

your number one need? Man? You know, you look at the roster even right now, it's one of the most talented rosters in the NFL. We got all the players, even the draft. We look at what we bought in with Parsons Joseph and you see the talent there. But that my thing is attitude. I want to see this team with an attitude, gritty And that's what I mean. You look at if you just look at around the league, at teams like Baltimore and just their culture and what

they are about. We talked about Seattle, what they are about, who they are are, gritty and the attitude. Last year we didn't have that. And I can just go back to the Washington football We talked about when Andy Dalton went down, no one ran to Andy Dalton, no one you know, tipped over a gatorad bucket, no one got ejected from the game something. I mean, your quarterback just got destroyed. But those are just little things that I

think that this this squad is missing. And I know that the football purists will say, oh, that don't count for nothing. But if you get out there and you you're getting drugged by thirty and you don't have one guy to stand up and say, you know, get up, you know, get the attitude, bring it back. You just paying to that Baltimore game when we were getting to blow the doors blown off and they paying to the sideline and it was the most disgusting scene seeing our

guys sit there on the bench just deflated. They had nothing. So we got to bring that back. I wonder how much Parsons can add to that, even as a rookie, because he's got that edge to him. And that's why, like you know, we've debated that position. But if he got that corner too, Joseph team, but if he both of them, But but Parsons in particular has really has

brought that edge when he's been at Penn State. And so even as a rookie, if he could bring some of that, It's kind of like when in twenty sixteen Zeke brought like a physicality and an edge to the offense that really rubbed off on everybody was like, man, this guy is And I think the example too that too,

that that maybe this rookie class can add some of that. No, and I'm I'm going back and digging into crates on this, but do you think about when Michael Irvin was was drafted in eighty eight where the Cowboys were from eighty seven to eighty eight, he bought that attitude too. I mean, although it was a one in fifteen season, but still you knew with Michael Larvin and his attitude and what he was his work ethic that he was going to bring every day. Guys had to match that. And that

was the championship quality just late. That was the brickwork right to lay that foundation to build a championship team. And if Michael Parsons, like you said, he's gonna come in with that bulls out on his back anyway, but if he can come I'm in with that work ethic and attitude and say, look the buck stops now, this is what we're gonna get it. How many players can you guys name last year that played with an edge? How many? How many guys I mean offensively, you could

do something. I mean, as he and Dak, I would say, play with an edge, Zack Martin, that's fine. But on the defensive side, what Tank? Maybe some games and I think Tank, even Tank was a little lost in the weeds. I mean it was. It wasn't good either way for any of it. But I don't think I can I can honestly say that this one guy bought that. Would you say, maybe Randy Gregory was does he quote unquote play with an edge? I don't feel like we had that.

When I when I think about edge, I think about rosters that you're almost on the edge of your seat, Like, please, don't get a personal foul. Like you know what I'm saying, Like like you know, like like like you want that feeling a little bit, you want that like okay, Like I want you to go up to the mine wants you to go to the end of the whistle, not to the whistle. I need you going to the end

of the whistle. I need my office alignment. Dragon dudes through the ground, you think I when I think about office alignment, I think about the center from Tampa Bay. I'm sorry I don't know his name, but he nasty. He's gonna he's gonna drag me. He's gonna drag I mean, he's gonna try to embarrass you. And if you show frustration, he's gonna hype him up. Right, he wants to embarrass the crap out of you. Think about defensive alignment, who's

who's just nasty? And the Seattle defenses under Quinn were like that, and then there's Hall of Fame talent there. But man, there was there was a swag and an attitude in the edge. And I mean Aaron Donald looking forward, Aaron Donald for sure, Aaron Donald. Yeah, Aaron Donald's gonna play hard. He's gonna play hard. You know you're gonna get that. But when I'm talking, I'm talking about like that somebody might but he might punch you. Yeah, I'm

talking a little bit of a screw. I want a little bit of a screw loose like yeah, like like like Sue, you just you never know what's gonna happen. Yeah, right, you're like old old suit, not new Sue, like the old Sue Like you just you just never know, right, you just I mean he's gonna hit you, and then like what's he gonna do after the play, you know, like I want that, but I want that to go

through the whole defense. You think about cornerbacks like like to league, right, like obviously he's out the league now, but like you, that's what he played with. He played with that like he was gonna put his hands on you, and you had to deal with him the entire game. And when you showed him to the stadium, you're like, crap, man, I'm gonna have to fight this due don't wear your change, Yeah, don't wear your changing to do but like you want

that at every level of your defense. Ramsey MICUs Peters. Yeah. Yeah, guys like just a little bit of swagger. I think Chris put this in my ear. But Donovan Wilson, I mean he was close. He came, that's it. That's probably the one guy. Absolutely he came with it. Yeah, that's because he was laying wood. I mean, he's knocking people out. But he also was missing big too. So there's a there's a given take. There's a given take to that. You know you got, I mean, and and it's it's

an often used word. You know, guys played with that dog, but you know, if you're gonna play with that dog, it's gonna have to be one hundred percent all the time. You can't you know, we can't pick it. You start the film and go wow. One of my favorite clips of this past draft class Seth Williams with the wide receiver from a burn. I think Denver picked him up.

I can't remember exactly where he went, but there was a clip of him against Mississippi State and there's this Mississippi State corner up on him and he's talking to him before the play and like just chatting, and Seth Williams didn't even look at him, like not even looking at the guy. And then he like finally gets up to the line of scrimmage and he just burns him

on a fade route. No no double move, no nothing, just straight fade route, beat him, caught a touchdown pass, and then he got right back up in his face and was just yelling at him again. That's one of my favorite clips. But you gotta it's a great representation of both sides of it. You can't just talk the talk. You gotta walk the walk. And there's anson that's a cliche.

There's a super big reason why that's a cliche, because this Cowboys team even whenever they got to the point in the middle of the season against Philadelphia and they started winning a couple of games. You saw the energy. But then you played a game like Pittsburgh and maybe Baltimore where it's like, oh, where did that go? You get back in your shell a little bit. You can't do that in twenty twenty one. Media pumps you up to when you're in Dallas too, you have a little

bit of success. You can't you block that out too and into the negativity because yeah, because it's I mean, people want the Cowboys to be back back, you know. So when you have a little success, you know, maybe you drowned that out. You know how I imagine you when things are going well, Rob and you're writing your articles, you'd like, I'll kill my blinders on, put on my VARSTI jacket. He sees high school jacket. Yeah it's upstairs. Yeah, all right, that's gonna do it for us here, I'm

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