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It's a Talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. As we welcome you in to the SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco following a Cowboys two and oh start to the NFL season with a thirty to ten win over the New York Jets. As sauce staff this morning that the Dallas Cowboys, of course, at two and oh, all six teams in the NFL last year that started
two and oh made the playoffs, So there you go. Now, there were some one in one teams in oh and two teams that made the playoffs, including the Bengals who went all the way to win their division and again back to a conference title game. So it doesn't always mean and doesn't always translate to success.
But off to a great start for the Cowboys.
Back here with Nick Harris, John Machoda, Isaiah stanback, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomens, gentlemen, how we doing, Johnny for the playoffs right now? Oh, you're just fast forward.
I mean at least fast forward to the San Francisco game.
It's like you're playing Madden. You're playing Dynasty Mode. You just whooped up on the first two teams, and now you're trying to sim weeks three and.
Mey two years ago, I wouldn't have said that, But now when you go, twelve wins, twelve wins, I'm ready for the playoffs.
Let's see where this thing matches up.
Let's go.
We just got back to football season. We were excited about Hawksnard, we were excited about training camp.
Oh I'm excited, But you're excited to see is this different?
Yeah, that thing, because that's where it'll be. That is where it will be decided. They win fourteen fifteen games are rare season. They will be decided there in January.
That's true.
That's kind of what it feels like around Cowboys fans right now. It's like a it's a cautious optimism of Okay, they look really really good, right and it feels different. But we've said it before and here we are again.
It's just stay healthy, man.
It's like having your heart broken like a hundred times and you just you just keep coming back ready to go every single year. But we could fast forward to January if it means no injuries and we can just get there. So I'm with you on that boat, John, Yeah, just get us to January. Let's start January tomorrow so we have no injuries. We can go to the playoffs fully healthy.
Was there any anxiety as a player, like looking ahead like that? Or was it truly a week to week game?
Week to week? There wasn't like one point where you looked ahead. I mean no, I mean you really can't in this league.
I mean, I mean, I guess it's natural to look forward, but you can't look past any teams. You mean, you snap yourself out of it relatively quickly, even if you do. Even if you do, I mean my first year here in Dallas, we went thirteen to three, who weren't losing many games.
But you still had to look at it a week to week thing.
I mean, because ultimately you could be out or you might not even have a job the following week. I mean, that's just the reality of this league.
You know.
There's Oh, it's way different for the players than it is for media. I mean, I say that as a media member. If I was a player, I'm thinking every single game, every single time i can get a chance to even touch the ball, or if I'm on defense, make a play like, I'm looking at it as it's going to help me as well as the team to stay in this league longer. So I would oh, man, if I was a player, No, I would never look
at it that way. Every chance I get to be out there like a duce Van duz Von right now, would be fine with them playing twenty five games this season, you know. But from the media perspective, I always like to make that clear. I'm talking about myself that I'm righting, and that's because you I mean, I mean, I started covering the team in twenty eleven, So who's left from then, Tyron? Yes, yeah, you know. So, I mean, I'm just saying I've seen a lot of you know.
A lot of turnovers.
I've seen a lot of good regular seasons. To me, this season will be judged on what they do in January, so that's why. But I am really looking forward to the San Francisco game a.
Lot, Isaiah.
Do the players even know the schedule outside of who they're playing that week?
Like if I if I mention I did, I can speak for myself.
They probably know, Okay, Cardinals this week, and then they probably know the Patriots because of Zeke. I mean, because you have Zeke on the other side at least some of the guys too.
You're just not looking that far in advance. I can only speak for myself. I mean, but I really didn't. I mean, you look at the schedule obviously before training camp and like, Okay, oh it's gonna be tough or whatever. You know, I can't wait to play this person. But once you get into the season, it's there's so much information being conveyed. There's so much as you're digesting. I mean,
you're literally a computer. You're you're expected to be a computer, learn all this information right, and then as soon this this week is over, pushed the delete but in clear space so that you can now upload some more for the next team.
And that's literally how it operates.
So That's why it's funny with Kyle's like you remember when sudden touch happened. I'm like, nah, I literally, once the week is over, I delete the information. I deleted it out of my head. It's gone. I'm onto the next one. Okay, give me more information so I can upload it. I only have so much, so much of a hard drive space. I have it, boom, I execute it all right, then it's gone out my head.
Okay, next week.
Let me ask you this.
Maybe I'm not saying Arizona's a pushover by any means, but you're going into a game against a lot of backups and a Joshua Dobbs, but a Baker's not going to be out there. Would you try to integrate anything new into your game just to see if it works? Like, oh, I got this new release, let me try it out in the second or third quarter once we kind of built a lead.
Would you would you do any of that?
Yeah?
I think you do that every game because, okay, because there's different person there's a different personnel in the field, right, so every player is different. You're always trying to figure out, okay, hey, versus this type of personnel versus this type of player.
What can I get away with? Right? What can I do? Does this work? Does this? Okay?
Now that doesn't work? Okay, all right, that's not good. All right, let's not put that on film anymore. Or I don't want to expose this too early, all right, I don't want to. I don't want to kill him more it. I don't want to empty my my Christmas bag.
Don't make Kellen Moore into a verb.
Absolutely, I don't want to kill him.
I don't want to empty my Christmas bag too early? Right, I got I still got some goodies in here. Let's keep it under wraps. If we don't have to unveil it, let's keep it there. I mean, much like much like coach McCarthy. What he's doing right now on the offensive side of the ball. He's doing a great job. Week one, he put turpet in the backfield.
What does that do? Okay?
All right, I'm trying some things out. Is he capable of carrying this workload? Can we rely on him? Can we trust him?
Also?
Was put the league on notice that, hey, we have the ability to do this the next week. Okay, we come back, all right, we're playing against the Jets now, I'm gonna throw the ball to freaking like eight different people and them you know what I'm saying, Like everybody touches the ball, everybody's capable.
I'm moving guys around.
Okay, guess what. Now I have more trust Now I believe that my guys can do it. Also, the league is on notice, So every week you're going to continue to expel and expand upon what you're trying to do.
But a lot of it is just trial and error. Can I do it? Okay? Cool?
Right?
Boom perfect a Right? That works? Put it in the back. All right? Does that work? Okay? Yeah, you're capable. Okay, cool, put it in the back.
And then when you really need all of that stuff, you throw it all on the table and you're like, okay, cool, what can I make with this?
You know, based upon your opponent.
But you're not going to try out new things kind of to Nick's question. You're not going to try out new things against Sauce Gardner. You're not going to try out new things against Jalen Ramsey. You're gonna do what works because you got to take advantage of all those snaps.
But you don't know what works until you go out there against those guys.
I mean, you could see stuff that other guys do against them that you say, okay, who had as the weakness of him? But until you go against that person, you don't know what works because they're constantly adjusting as well.
Yeah, they're making their own moves. That's interesting to think about because it's not only from a scheme standpoint, like Isaiah's talking about with Kellamore and what he did last year, and you show all this early, but it's a little bit too much and then you kind of have to make up for it on the back end.
It's not just scheme.
It's individual plays, and it's individual players having to fine detail every part of their game.
I would say with Sauce specifically, just because you brought up the name, you're not gonna see length and size like you see with Sauce on the boundary every single week. So you would almost want to try new things against Sauce because it's like, Okay, I'm gonna have to do something different here because arms are a last to grow
over here, you know. But secondly, I don't feel like we're going to see even seventy percent of what this offense looks like until San Francisco, La back to Really that's just me thinking because you know, you go into Arizona, you know, again a really good opponent, especially in the second level. I like a couple of other guys in the second level, but I don't feel like they're gonna have to open up similar to how they've done in
the first two weeks. You go into New England, You're probably gonna have to open up quite a bit there, But then you go into San Francisco with probably like a fifty percent unscouted look, so that would be ideal. I don't feel like you're gonna see a lot until the San Francisco game from this offense.
If when I said earlier about just wanted to start the playoffs, I will give you one thing that I am looking forward to as a season unfolds, and it is how teams react to what they're seeing from Mike McCarthy's Cowboys offense, because there is going to be a lot of differences, and I think we've seen some of them already, and it'll be interesting to see as we get in the later in the season when there is more, you know, film on what did they do in these situations?
Who's lining up where in these situations, it'll be interesting to see what those tendencies maybe are. Maybe those are some things that you can draw off of. But also I was thinking when he said he was as a player looking at the schedule, I was just thinking, Yeah, if you were a player in this team, I'm sure the first thing that jumped out to you is that December game is Buffalo. Every time, every time I schedule, it just jumps out, like, oh man, December, Like you know,
Buffalo is gonna be on the schedule, and Buffalo. You're like, let's do this in September, October or something. You see it's like late December.
Yeah, every time I think about it, I have to put a hoodie on. I'm not looking forward to the weather.
And it's an extra one down here, lay up here in Dallas.
You think about that stuff, like in my time in New England, like literally it was a warm game in comparison to what we were experiencing in practice in Foxborough, Like we were literally practicing in minus was a.
Minus fifteen, minus twenty.
It was one of those conditions. It was zero degrees and it was like thirty miles per gus. That's what the temperature was and coaches like, whatever it is.
Outside, we're in it. And we were like dang.
And then like we went to go playing an indoor we were gonna play a Buffalo and it was like twenty degrees.
We were like, oh, this feels awesome.
That's so interesting to me too, because I mean, you think about it in two ways of One, it's.
Like how how do you ever.
Practice in those type of conditions? But also then when you get to the game, it's like, the game's nothing right.
I'm trying to get through that.
As anybody won the Super Bowl without having to go through that. I'm trying to think of these Rams did like I just I'm I'm a big proponent of Like I think what he's talking about, and I know this isn't going to sound good for the Cowboys, but I think that's ideal. Yeah, So that those are the conditions to be you have to build for winning championships, because I think that at some point you are going to have to go through. But the Rams are the one I'm thinking of right now.
They have to play. They're one of the few teams.
That I can think of because everyone else like you're going to have to go through one of those games. I think of how many times the Patriots had to win tough games like I mean, they had to win tough games at home and weather conditions and stuff like that. But there are just so many games in that Patriots dynasty run that they're not in great weather conditions.
They're not in the you know, the best you.
Could argue, maybe Tampa Bay to Tampa Bay didn't necessarily have to go through anything crazy like that, but I mean Kansas City every time New England won it, Philadelphia, New England again, Denver at times.
Maybe. Yeah, I mean that could.
Probably be one Patriots January Ravens.
Late January and Philadelphia would probably be the one here if the Cowboys don't win the division. So that's even more incentive to win the division because if they do, then they can avoid that.
The Rams had to play at Green Bay on November twenty eighth and at Baltimore on January second, So I assume they got one.
Of those two with with some cold hoodier two.
Yeah, a little bit of chili chili. Okay, that's interesting to think about, but yeah, the elements play a factor into it. The schedule doesn't necessarily play a factor into it, at.
Least looking ahead for the Cowboys.
All right, we did our helmet stickers yesterday. We didn't have John Matchoda, and we're also revealed a fan vote, but we'll we'll let John go first.
So you guys said you already did we.
Had, Yeah, yesterday we did Mike McCarthy. That was mine, right, Michah Parsons was Nick Harris's, okay, and then Isaiah Standback said, d Law.
Yeah, those those are all So you're leaving me basically with Ceedee Lamb real defense and Brandon Aubrey.
Oh, the two good ones.
I'll go with Aubrey. None of these really fit Brandon, man, I.
Gotta give those to you earlier.
Yeah, I would say, I mean, you go five for five and make one from fifty five that looked like it had probably been good for seventy.
That's probably a good good day at the office.
There.
He's exceeded my expectations already. I guess I just had like a low bar. I didn't know what to expect from Brandon Aubrey. So for him to uh to kick that, well, I'm pretty impressed by that.
I don't know.
I wanted to donate last week, So I'm going to don't it again early.
What's the significance, because that's how many kicks he's missed.
The zero kicks missed, it looks like it's got some green frosting on it.
He went to Notre Dame, that's all.
That played soccer a name.
Yeah, we don't count those. That's a kick.
You know.
He hasn't missed anything since then.
Also just makes me look across the rest of the league and just see how tough it is to find quality kicking. And frankly, the Cowboys didn't make that big of an investment in it when.
You think of miss Michel No, Yeah, it is funny.
I do like hearing the backstories of like with it's just very clear that kickers are kind of a sore spot with Jerry Jones and and he can be pretty critical of the kickers, and I just think it's funny how he's come out in the last few days and talked about how like you.
Got a kicker, Yeah, I got a kicker.
You know, we didn't get in the red zone, or we didn't score touchdowns in the red zone, but hey, that's because we wanted to see what we had from the kicker. And then he even made the joke the other day about how they put that hit that was
on Steven's plate, that was for Steven to figure out. Hey, you know, and I think Steven said it yesterday on the radio about how like, oh yeah, now there's a lot of pressure on the owner to for us to find this kicker and because remember they went, it's not like that this has been their guy since like drafted him or something like that. I mean, there was some real uncertainty there about who was going to be all
the way going into training camp. And uh, there were definitely some days at training camp where I don't think that I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, Aubrey's the guy. And to have that game the other day, yeah, no, I'll give it him.
The moment during training camp whenever they had the mojo moment with this Kno was still in the building and Brandon Aubrey and they want to combine.
Like one for eight. Yeah, the media was just like any.
That was a Saturday practice. We were live during that practice and Bill Jones got hit with a football and me during.
That practice, Yeah you didn't catch.
It though, Hey, hey, I don't think it was special coming we were more worried about the ball.
When the ball you know what.
That's why?
Oh that's Brandon Aubrey.
Though, Yeah, give credit where credit is due.
Fourth Cowboys rookie kicker to make at least five field goals in a game in the first one since Dan Bailey did it against Washington back in twenty eleven.
So that was your first year covering the team.
Yeah, times, that was wild though, I mean even that year, like you didn't really know who and then but though the years that followed. For a few years there, man Dan Bailey was like Zach Martin to where you just took it for granted.
You're just like, yeah, yeah, no, I know he's kicking.
I gotta finish right in this tweet or whatever like that, like you're not even paying And then it got to a point where you're like, oh, well, we got to watch these kickers because you just never really know which way it's going to be.
And I think that's more of.
The norm in the NFL than having a guy like Dan Bailey who was so automatic there. I mean, other than Justin Tucker, there's a lot of high highs.
And low lows in the league, no doubt.
If you get lucky and you have one of the maybe five guys at a.
Time that are legitimate.
I mean, you feel good about the kicker position. Outside of that, you probably don't. One other piece of note or news to note from yesterday the Cowboys releasing Ronald Jones, the running back. So moving on from Road Joe Nick, is that a bit of a surprise or is this.
Something that we kind of saw coming.
No, not at all, especially you know, once he had his growing injury during training camp and then I believe it was right after that or maybe right before that where he got suspended for those first two games. Probably just a gentleman's agreement, like hey, we'll let you serve your suspension here and then you know we're going to release you afterward. But there's still an open practice squad spot. If they wanted to bring him back, it's certainly on
the table. They already do have Elie Davis on the practice squad as a running back option, so you know it'd be a little bit crowded. But yeah, it was funny yesterday I asked Mike McCarthy because yesterday was the first day he was able to come back. I'd asked Mike McCarthy, Hey, so you know, have you been able to talk to Ronald Jones? And he was very quick about He's like, nah, haven't had a chance to talk
to him. You know, we'll see, And then not twenty minutes later he was released, and so I was like, oh, okay, let her go.
He must have known something I didn't.
But I'm trying to think if I don't.
I know Jason Garrett had, but I don't think that Mike McCarthy's ever like revealed any breaking news at the podium, so he probably knew.
He just didn't want to say it.
Yeah right there, especially when it comes to a cut like that. I guarantee he hasn't done that. He might have said something in terms of like a trade or something.
Well.
The thing that Mike McCarthy, though, is too, is that he's just done this a long time. So a lot of those things he probably had done in the past, just because there are several things that have happened since he's been the Cowboys coach where he's told us now
in the past. And he said yesterday about the you know, some play calls he didn't love, and he was like, yeah, I used to sit there and say in the media what they were and then you know, obviously people would dive into him and dissect him and stuff like that. So there's like little things like that that he probably did in Green Bay maybe early on, and it was like, no, I'm not going to be releasing any of that stuff.
And then if I'm wrong or if something changes, then you know, there's a video of me saying it at that podium and that, and that's probably a smart way to go about it.
Yeah, And also, in comparison to the rest of the teams in the league, the front office is so involved with the media compared to other front offices, So when it comes to like those business transactions, Mike McCarthy doesn't want to be a part of that. Like knowing Mike McCarthy, he does not care about sharing that info. He's like, hey, I got people that can do that.
I'm good. Well we'll talk to him later.
Yeah, well I don't want to be the source, then don't let me be the source. And he's good about that. He's also been very good about protecting his players and on the podium, he's never going to throw guys under the bus, or at least he's he said that that that's a point of emphasis for him.
Because that opens him up to being like, Okay, why did you release him? And then he has to get into all the weeds of that, so he yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, but Ronald Jones out on the open market. Of course, he hits the waivers this week, and we'll see if he ends up back on the Cowboys practice squad. We're going to take our first break when we come back.
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Brian, Hey, good morning, so I us.
How's it going doing great?
How what's on your mind?
Well, first of all, I didn't get to call any I didn't get to talk to anybody on the podcast on victory Monday. But boy, that was just an unbelievable performance to watch by CD Lamb Sunday, and that was just something.
Yeah, it definitely was. And I mean CD specifically one hundred yards in the first half, and he's looked like that at certain times in his career, but he was dominant and really kind of took over to start things off.
Brian.
Yeah, absolutely.
Hey, So my question for you guys was is I didn't get to see a lot of, you know, offensive line play when you're watching the TV. So if you guys developed any opinions at all, we got to see a Dooga and TJ Bass in the same game kind of give us an idea. What you thought about their performance? We saw the one Big Bus by TJ.
Bass.
Everybody saw that, but you know, just what you guys thought about their performance and how they how they did And I'll hang up and listen y'all have a great one.
Appreciate you very much. And Brian and Kansas City starting us off at the bang, what'd you think about the offensive line, Isaiah, based on what you saw Sunday night.
I felt like it was serviceable.
I think that obviously there's room for improvement, but there's not a lot of consistency there right now, at least at one particular position, the left guard position. So it's kind of hard to expect anything greater than what we've seen some of the guys that are getting thrown into the Mixy two Minion Doga obviously did a good job against the Giants in week one.
You know, he filled in.
There's obviously things that you want to see him improve upon, but he's young and inexperience, and then he goes down you have to bring in another young and inexperienced guy to replace him. So I think both of those guys they answered the call. They answered the call, and you know, for a position, a positional group that relies so much
on chemistry. I think that they were effective enough, but I think to expect more of that is maybe unrealistic based upon the opponents that you're going against.
Like, I'm clear with who the top five are, and I don't think that there's really any debate, no one's those guys aren't coming in and all of a sudden making me change my mind.
I'd be surprised if that happened. We'll put it that way.
So when I look at it from like that perspective, it's the Okay, these guys blowout win are getting NFL reps in game, putting out you know, NFL tape.
I'm I'm happy with that, you know, as.
Long as no one's put as long as you're not putting my starting quarterback in harm's way. I'm fine with just them getting those reps because to me, it just those means so much more than any other reps that they're going to get, and I think that you'll be able to as a player learn the most from those in those situations. So just them getting out there, I think is great. But now if I say that and then they get destroyed and Jack gets hurt, then I retract all my comments.
He didn't say anything.
Yeah, acceptable, job that those guys that came in at left guard. Acceptable. Obviously not exemplary by any means. Tyler Smith is who you want in there. But given the situation, given the defensive front that they had to go up against, Dan quinn said it, Mike McCarthy said it, Brian Schohnheimer said it. That's one of the best defensive fronts we'll
see all season. And for those guys to come in and play forty plus snaps each and you know, keep Dak relatively clean aside from a couple of hits and a couple of rough in the passer calls. But aside from that, acceptable, I'll take. I'll take that any Sunday.
Yeah, it was enough for us to build confidence in the depth. But I don't like, like John said, I don't think it has any anything to do with what they've done.
As as a whole.
Isaiah, since you're on camera here, what would what would Schumadoga have to do to continue to build that confidence?
Is it?
Is it just predicated off of snaps, off of reps. I mean he dealt with a little bit of an a it's not thought to be serious. So hopefully he comes back in the fold, but without Tyler Smith in the fold? Do you feel better now that you Midoga's played the way that he has already phrased the question?
I do? I feel like?
You know?
To Nick's point, I think these guys have both Chu Manidoga and TJ. Bass been serviceable. But again, you have to be realistic. What do you truly expect out of guys who have not been in this position before and working in continuity with guys that they haven't had a ton of reps with aside from just training camp. So I think that what you're seeing out of them is what you can expect out of them.
Now, when you win, you get.
Tyler Smith back, then your your expectations adjust right. Your expectations is just you expect to be able to move guys off the ball substantially more. You expect Tyring and Tyler Biattis to work hand in hand with them to be able to move guy the entire defensive lining two yards backwards instead of allowing and then we get penetration. So you know, I think I just think you have to be realistic about it. I think this is serviceaball man. You had forty plus carries on the ground is the
most recent game. I think you know you kept that clean, no interceptions. I mean, he wasn't rush, he had a pocket. That's all good stuff.
Yeah, they've already exceeded my expectations because I thought for sure when they cut down to fifty three that they would try and add a veteran offensive lineman, whether it be through a trade or signing from another team, and that never happened. So obviously they had more confidence in the depth than I did. And so where they're sitting right now, I mean, if a Oga can play and you can give Tyler Smith another week off, I mean that would be great. But we'll see what ends up
happening with that. It's a hypercent of elbow, I guess, but yeah, we'll see.
Yeah, hopefully he's good to go, and that depth does feel much better than it did initially. Let's go to our second caller, Dominic in Denver. You're on Talking Cowboys. What's on your mind?
Dominic?
Hey, guys, I just said two quick questions for you. I hope you guys Junior wel this morning. First one is who has been kind of your biggest surprise, positive surprise after two games from eb Rico. I think he's done a great job in the back still for us. And the second question is, you know, let's go into your crystal ball. Suppose we're competing for you know, home fielder dan Is late in the season, what's the long position you think they're going to want to grab to
kind of shore something up. Of course, you know, injuries notwithstanding, we don't know what's going to happen. So those are two questions. Thanks for doing the show.
You guys are great.
Thank you very much Dominic for the call.
As always, Nick will start with you what you think about the first question, and then we'll move on to the crystal ball.
Yeah, we talked about in the first segment Brandon Aubrey.
For us to be sitting here after week two talking about Yeah, he's reliable. That's that's wild to think about coming into the season seven for seven on field goals only the first miss Pat and we've kind of heard the background of context of what went into that. Yeah, that would be my biggest pleasant surprise. If I had to look anywhere else, I would say Man, I would say Leydon vander esch In a sense of his versatility.
Dan Quinn has really gotten him involved in a lot of different areas, moving him off the edge, putting him right above the center, and having him go at the quarterback coming downhill in the game was what really impressed me from Sunday from Layton. So I would say certain aspects of Layton's game have pleasantly surprised me.
And then Brandon Aubrey as whole.
Okay, John, Yeah, it's still Mark Eespell for me, same as was after week one.
I guess it all comes.
Down to what your expectations were going into the season, and you see flashes during training camp in the preseason, but it's another to I'm pretty sure he's leading the team and tackles right now.
I just didn't expect that.
I mean I I thought Jabril Cox would make the roster, and clearly they felt really comfortable with Markuspell and some of the other depth that they have there. They can move on from there. So if I'm going back to the start of training camp till right now, man, it's I mean, Aubrey's a good one, but for me, it's it's Mark Easpell for sure.
OSA biggest surprise, biggest surprise for me. I didn't expect him to be as disruptive as he's been. I think that going into the season, I was like, Okay, oh so he's a he's a good.
Like he's gonna be good, But you didn't really expect her. I didn't expect him to be a mauler like he has.
But I didn't.
I mean, I think right now, if you're playing Madden, you have to put some kind of emblem underneath his name, something I.
Don't know what it is, but some factor.
He needs a he needs something underneath his name, and I think there's probably eleven of those doing there on the defense side of the ball, but he needs he deserves that right now because he is truly impacting the game. He's not just a guy. He's not somebody that's just fulfilling a role and just does their job. Like he's disrupting the offenses right now, and that's how that's huge for this defense.
Yeah, he's he and Micah have combined to be that that forefront force. I mean it's it's either one of those two guys in the backfield that almost every play.
Yeah, it's not the name that you would have came up with right. I mean, everybody was talking about the defensive ends. You're talking about this the Sam Williams of the world. You're talking about the d laws, You're talking pol Fowlers. You know you weren't talking about Osa. You weren't talking about Osa.
You always look good.
Yeah, he wasn't the forefront, not as a disruptor that he is, somebody that was actually getting in the backfield and causing causing some issues for them.
So that's that's my pick.
Every every game day, I have an article that goes out right as the clock hit zero. It's called five Takes and basically just giving five takes based off the game, and one of mine from from Sunday was also a Digizia could be the second best pass rusher on this team.
He very well could be.
Look at his pass rush rating through the first two weeks, look at the competition that he's been able to go up against in comparison to what that competition has done against their other teams that they've played, and how much he's.
Getting into the backfield three sacks already.
I'm very interested to see what he kind of follows up with as the season goes on. But DeMarcus Lawrence obviously really good as well. I think he's better in the run game. We saw that on Sunday, but also, man, he's really added to his pass rush game. It's those boxing skills you can see. You can see it being translated.
To what about the crystal ball? Where would Dallas go get somebody John if they were going to make a move and they wanted to make a deep run. Where would they go get somebody else if they made a trade outside?
Yeah, So for me, this isn't close. It's really depth on the offensive line, and that's just like, hey, you're getting close to the playoffs. You need a veteran guy to come in and be a swing tech ec with going off of what the offensive line health is Benz's mikel Arthy's ben head coach, I could see them potentially
having to do that because of a starting position. I mean, you hope that doesn't happen, but there's just been so many injury issues on the offensive line the last few years that it just, Man, I look at that defense and I'm like, there's nothing over there that I even consider. So yeah, for me, it's it's the offensive line.
What do you think I'm right through. Would you I think I'm the same way. There sual line up front depth up there.
I guess if you wanted to add another position, if either tray Von Diggs or Stefank Gilmour went down, I'd be a little bit concern about who would fill in on the boundary.
But you also have Naseean Wright coming back in a couple of weeks, so you know.
That's an option. But I would a veteran presence in that room wouldn't be bad. But offensive line is by far number one.
I'm not saying this is anywhere close offensive line. But another position could potentially be a wide receiver. And the only reason I say that is if you have injury issues there, do you have the next depth piece to step up there? You might, and maybe that develops over you know, the next month.
Or so like that.
But that is one position, kind of going back to the t Y Hilton thing last year, where if it comes close to the playoffs, you know that there's quality players out there that you can potentially add that you know, veteran, experienced type players that that maybe even another spot. But again it's not even anywhere close to where offensive line is, and it really speaks to the depth.
Of this roster.
I mean, clearly the best roster since I've covered the team. And when I think of the offensive line depth, the next thing is just so far down the list.
It's not even close.
I'm right there with you.
I think if if you're going to still point at one spot, it's still that offensive line. The other things would have to take movement, would have to take a certain event for it to be a necessity. Right now, offensive line depth, to me, is still a necessity nor I mean it has it ever been shirt up?
Probably not.
I think there's thirty two teams in the NFL right now that could say that their offensive line depth probably could use a bit of an up tick.
I'll say.
What helps, though, is that, you know, there's a lot of talk in the off season about, you know, West Coast offense getting the ball out quick. To actually see how quick they're getting the ball out that does That does help help with my thoughts on the offensive line a little bit.
Yeah.
Jeremy from Woodbridge, he said, did you gentlemen know that the Dallas defense has combined for more sacks and turnovers than total points allowed?
Wow?
That is true.
That's pretty impressive and it's probably not really close. I mean, what does it get seven takeaways?
I it's seventeen to ten?
Wow?
Yeah, seven takeaways since that.
Ten so okay, so seventeen and then ten points allowed. So yeah. His question was how long do you think that streak can continue.
In past Arizona? At least we can go another.
Week, We'll go one more.
At least you just going to put up a field goal get three? You know, probably I can't.
I can't see it. I can't see it making out of that Niners game though. No, I don't think that would be goes that far. That would be really tough to do.
I don't. I mean, that does surprise me.
That said, don't get me wrong, But I think the thing that surprises me more than that is if you just list who's scored touchdowns for this team this year and who hasn't through two games.
I think would really surprise.
I mean, for Ceedee Lamb to play as well as he has and I haven't touchdown.
Yet, you know, zero receiver touchdowns?
Yeah, that is crazy.
That Yeah, it's pretty wild. Now the two Q won five. Oh, this is Dan from Philly. He says, Adoga and Martin both had to leave the game for a short period of time on Sunday. Hopefully Tyler Smith will be good to go this week, But can TJ Bass play the right side if Martin is banged up in a pinch? Do you think, based off of what you've seen, you'd be comfortable putting Bass on the right side?
Yeah, because left guard was actually unnatural in comparison to what he's been working on all training camp. He's been at right guard all of training camp through Ohta's all of that. That's where they've been working in primarily, so it would be a little bit more natural to pluck him in there. But Zach Martin's gonna play on Sunday. If if I were a betting man, Oh yeah.
I think so too. I don't think it was. I think it was in and out and just a quick thing and then he was ready to go.
He'll probably misspractice a couple of days and be limited and everybody will be wondering, but he'll be on there on Sunday.
Uh Dak or this is a Dak question from the eight four to seven or excuse me, a four to five Dak looks more comfortable in the pocket. Do you feel like Kellen Moore was trying to turn Dak into a pocket passer rather than allowing him to fly naturally into his game.
What do you think about that one?
I say, it's just a faster offense.
It's just different.
It's just totally different.
I said it all the way going back to you know, Oxnart, The West Coast just allows for you to get up to the ball, make quick decisions, and get the ball out your hand. It negates the pass rush and the gates the ability for people to be able to.
Get sacks on deck.
It gives him more confidence, you know, in terms of where he's going with his decision making, in terms of his receivers knowing where they're going. It just cleans up everything. And that's the reason why you're able to get eighty plays in Yeah. I mean it's it's literally that is it. So as a quarterback, I don't have to worry about getting sacked, I don't have to worry about being confused,
and I get to throw high precision passes. I have no reason but nothing but confidence that's exuding off of me because of the system that's in place.
I think the epitome of what this offense is was the first and twelve from their own three late in the first quarter and they come out quick slant of seedy lambne goes off for thirty one yards. I mean, they just came out That's what they were.
Going to do. It was a it was a quick, quick throw.
You saw Dak's and prove footwork on that play as well, and being able to shovel it out that quick.
That's the epitome of what this offense is.
Yeah, he looks comfortable, but I kind of my response to that is similar to Dak's response the other day about the interceptions, like I'm just not going to be one of those people that acts like, you know, this offense was just terrible under Kellen Moore and and and the longer we get in the season and the more success that they have on offense, I just feel like you're gonna hear more of that from from people like Tom about this was needed and whatever like that, Like, yeah,
shaking some things up was needed, But I'm not going to be that guy that acts like it was just so bad before. Just kind of how people act like, yeah, we got to get these interceptions up. It's been such an issue for Dak Preskey, I was in an issue for one year, but to act like all of a sudden, it was just like it's always been so bad, how
can it? Like, I don't know, I just get this this sense sometimes that that people think that Kellen was like working against Dak or something like he wasn't trying to make the best offense to fit him. Like that's what you're doing in the NFL, that's what you're trying to and and especially on a team that has the franchise quarterbacks, one of the top ten quarterbacks in the league who's paid accordingly, like that that's what it's about.
Like you're not going to sit there and go, yeah, yeah, I know he makes a lot of money, but this is the offense I would like to run. Like you're you're not gonna do that, or if you do, you're not going to be in the league very long. So it's two games and everything. Yeah, yeah, Dak looks very comfortable, but I'm not going to sit her neck like man, Dak just looked so uncomfortable last year, like he didn't even know what he was doing because he had the fifteen interceptions.
Like because that's not the way I saw it at least.
No, that's a good point.
I think it's well said because it's not all Tony.
It'll get worse too. They keep winning and he's not turning the ball over. It'll man the way some people will look at these last couple of years will just be like, oh, just Dak was ready to be a superstar and carry this thing all the way to super Bowl, but Kellvin was just holding them back and I just I don't have that.
It'll really crank up if they beat the Chargers.
Well, the Chargers are already going too.
So they won't need to get to that. It'll rut up a bunch of points against the Niners. They put a bunch against points.
You need to hit a espn CA Why Because Brandon Aubrey is one of the few players that doesn't have a profile picture.
I'll hit him up. I got you. He doesn't even have a profile.
He has an official headshot. Yea.
He has some of the highest Fantasy points.
For kickers.
Are you playing Fantasy right?
I'm just looking at him trying to help his raster.
Yeah, okay, I mean Tuesday during the show picked him up.
Man, that's waiver Tuesday.
Get your waiver wire picks in everybody, would I not.
Pick up Brandon Aubrey right now? Who are dropping Carlson?
Okay, wow, Carlson has me team points and Brandon Aubrey has twenty eight.
So when we come back, we're gonna we're gonna dive into Isaiah's fantasy league opportunities and see what's on the waiver wire. No, when we come back, we are going to take more phone calls. We've got ma recent Tacoma on the line. Give us a call eight at eight eight five five two two nine seven. Talking Tuesday continues after this.
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Back You're on Talking Cowboys presented by Invisilne, the official Smile of the Dallas Cowboys. Let's go to Maurice in Tacoma, Washington, up in the Pacific Northwest.
What up, Maurice?
What's carl A Fellows? Tag Tawn? How we do with Seattle? I see you over there?
You know what I mean?
Yes, sir, Hey, just real quick, Fellas, I just I'm not hearing enough about what's going on with Michael Gallup. Like the production there is just not visible I'm not seeing it. I don't get to see the whole field. So you guys do is he drawing double teams? Is he helping Lamb being able to get open? Or maybe we should be thinking about using him as some trade bak and maybe get somebody that could be a little bit more productive because I'm still not sold on Tober.
So let me know what you think about that, Fellas. It's easy.
Thank you very much for the call, Maurice. There was one text message I won't say the name of who said it, but it says, is Michael Gallup missing? I just bought milk and didn't see him on the curtain.
Uh yeah, that was kind of the thought.
Process around Michael Gallup. He hasn't been productive. Jalen Tolbert I thought did a nice job on Sunday. I'm not going to discredit Jaalen Tolbert, but are we looking at a change at wide receiver three right now?
I wouldn't go that far yet, but it has been too many times when we've sat there on Mondays after the game and the offensive play caller has talked about how we got to get gallup and more involved. We got to get up more involved and then you don't see it happening. So I thought this game would be.
The perfect time.
But I think him being lined up excuse me on the other side, and it's it's tough to argue with CD's looks, like how many times do they go to CD where you were like, man, they're forcing it, like
if they're going to leave him open. Michael Gallups he's got he's got great ability, but he's not Cedee Lamb and so h I don't know, but there, but it's it's a great question because it it's been a while now since we've seen him look like the old Michael Gallup and so I don't I don't know if it's just that they're not looking his way as much as they need to. But I have a sense that in this Arizona game, they're going to try and feed him a little bit more than maybe they have, just to
try and get him him going a little bit. But yeah, through these first two games, I just thought we'd see more impact than we have. But with Tolbert, I mean, I just think he's young, Like you got to give him his reps and try and you know, develop him, and like you said in that series three catches more than he had all of last season combined every game. So I think he's trending in the right direction. But the gallop thing, I think has to be a little bit of a concern.
I'm not concerned yet with Michael Gallup yet being the key word there.
Let's look at these first two games.
First game, Rain played a huge factor, jumped out to a big lead, didn't really have to get involved in the past game. You could look at Ceedee Lamb. He didn't even get crazy production in game one. Game two, he's lined up against Sauce Gardner the entire game mostly and basically using him to get CD. On the other side, get CD open, get him double digit receptions. And I'm very curious what you're about to say with the smile on your face, Isaiah, but I'm not concerned yet about
Michael Gallup. If we if we're here this time next week and the production is still the same, then we have a different conversation.
I see a concerned luck.
What did I do if you didn't ask this question?
So I can't say you're a jerk, But what did I tell you?
When camp first started?
You told me that you were concerned about Michael Gallup.
When camp first started, I first got the aux near and I watched the first couple of practices and.
I gave him credit.
I said, just wait on it, on it. It's the same thing. I'll say now, just wait a little bit. I hope, but I'm the same Okay.
My day of reckoning is closing in.
My expectations are what they've been, and it's unfortunately.
I really liked I like really I really like MG. I really like MG.
But unfortunately he's he's not the same guy since the injury. And I hate to say that because I like him a lot. But like I said, on day one of training camp and I watched the individuals, I watch it one on ones, I said, it's not there anymore. From my perspective, I can't as a grown man, he can decide on what he's able to do.
I can't put that on him.
But from what I see from my eyes, it's the MG of the past is no longer there, and that sucks and and unfortunately that does. Think injuries have that effect on guys, whether it's the physical or the mental or both. I've been that guy. I've been through it. I know the mental aspect of it. It's hard to overcome the mental more so than it is a physical.
I'm not sure which one is have an effect on him right now, but what the production we've seen is the production that I expected based upon what I saw in camp.
It's tough to hear because I do like Michael Gallup, and I remember you telling me that initially, and I still think you got to give him some time.
Oh, he can still catch the ball now. Sometimes he can still catch the ball.
His problem is his agility. Yeah, the agility I believe has taken a substantial hit because of his injury. He can still run straight, he can still catch the ball, catch the crap out of the ball. Contested catches, he's the best od He's still the best on the team in contested catches. I believe that wholeheartedly. It's a matter can you get off the ball? Can you get in and out of your breaks without giving away tips to the defensive back that you're about to come out of
your break, that you're about to change directions. I don't know that he possesses that ability the way he once did.
It's also disappointed, just because you know he's paid to be like your number two receiver, but he he doesn't have to be the two here. He could be like your fourth or fifth option on the offense. And if that's the case, you would think if it's the old Michael Gallup, like, oh, there's gonna be some games or yeah, maybe he does perform like his first two, but then there's gonna be some where he absolutely eats because he's just taking advantage of, you know, the coverage in that.
But yeah, I don't know.
The first two games are a little disheartening, but hey, there's a long season ago.
We'll see what happens.
Yeah, just two receptions for thirteen yards for Michael Gallup. Let's go from Michael Gallup to Michael in Savannah, Georgia, our final caller today. Mike, you're on talking Cowboys.
Yeah, time call, a long time Cowboy fan. I'm very impressed with the defense in an offense that's been played for the first two games. But my person is do you think on the offensive side do you think the play calling and making a difference and this year season?
Thank you for very much for the call, Michael, appreciate you listening. First time caller, great question overall, do you think the play calling has made an impact so far in the first two.
Games, No, no question. I think it's made a big impact on them taking care of the football. I think it's made a big impact and just you know, obviously Dak being comfortable in it, and then you know, the running game hasn't gotten off to where I think it can go, but I think that comes with it the
more that they kind of are in this offense. But yeah, I think it's a factor, and I think that it's going to be pretty beneficial because you have a very seasoned play caller and there's a lot of things that he's going to be able to do that opponents just aren't going to know, they're not going to expect from the Cowboys because they haven't necessarily seen it. You know, there's things you can look back on in his packers pass that probably, you know, give you a little bit
of an indication. But I just think there's so much still there that is kind of new that from week to week it's going to be tough for teams to really know exactly where what they're going to do. But there's definitely been you know, a bunch of plays where guys are wide open. There's multiple plays on Sunday where CD was wide open that I'm just like, how did they even scheme this up to get him this wide open? Everybody knows that he's going to throw to Cde Lamb
or wants to throw to Ceedee Lamb. So yeah, I think it's helped for sure. But again, I'm just not going to sit there neck like they didn't have a good offense in the past.
I would say compared to last year, it's much more closed in, much more phone booth type offense in the sense that things happened quick and they're happening right off the snap. We saw it last week with the big CD Lamb gang. It was Jake Ferguson coming in quick and being kind of like a pick route quote unquote and leaving Ceedee Lamb wide open. But overall the offense it's quick and it's designed for Deck to get the ball out quick.
That alone has made an impact on this.
Do you think they ever got too cute on Sunday in the red zone with some of their run plays.
I think overall they've gotten a little too cute with using Turbin in the red zone.
But about what about Peyton hendershat.
I think so I mean, look, you had Hunter Lipkey on the other side, and he's.
There.
It is, there's our one reference to its gonna happen.
I wanted to try and steer it down that route.
Got it?
What do you think, Isaiah play calling uptick?
It's it's different. It's I mean, it's just different. Kellen Moore is a one heck of officer coordinator. I mean, let's not. There's not I mean, look at look at the stats. I mean, look at the stats. I mean, the the proof is in the pudding. It's just substantially different. It's it's a more complex offense with Kellen moore scheme. And that's not to say that one is better than the other. It's just more complex. There's a lot more that goes into it. The routes are deeper, the protection
is greater. That that demands the time that it takes for guys to get down the field. There's more like this is it's just it's higher risk. It's a higher risk offense, but it's a bigger payoff in terms of big plays. So higher risk, high reward. I mean, it is what it is. And then all of a sudden you come to Mike McCarthy, and it's more consistent. It's like what I said at the beginning of the year is going to be boring. It's going to be it's
supposed to be boring. It's supposed to be a lot of plays, keep play, keep away, run the ball, get four yards per carry, three four yards per carry, and then you know, play action, tada, that's your big play and all right, MoU the chains, let's do it again.
The excitement comes from the defense, So that's a big part of it too, Like it's, yeah, they're doing stuff that is shorter or simpler getting the ball out.
But with this the entire time, the way this defense is ascended over the last few years, it would be foolish not to play into the fact of, like, hey, let's put them in the best possible situation. This is this thing over here is what we could look back on a year from now and being like, man, that that helped us get to the Super Bowl. But because they're on that dominant of a level, let's not mess
that up with anything. Whereas to Isaiah's point, let's not like there was not times here where the offense needed to be a little bit more explosive, because you didn't have that in our side of the ball.
So sorry, no, no, no, you're good.
I want to ask Isaiah. Play action was really good last year. Do you feel like it's even more effective?
I can't say that yet. I think that you're more dependent on the play action this year.
I'll say that. I don't think the running game is anywhere.
We're pretty dependent on it last year too.
You are, But I mean you're going to be more dependent on the run this year than you have been I think in recent years. Kelimoria, it is a passing offense. This is a running offense. You just are missing your starting guard. Yeah, so you can't do the things that you truly want to do. You haven't had that opportunity yet, Droe these first two games. So you're making it. You're making it work, right, you're still being successful. But this is not how he wants to play ball right now.
You're missing your starting guard, and you're missing your second wide receiver outside too, at least the last you were. Because Brandon Cooks Tyler Smith both out, hopefully they're able to make a return. Looks like Donovan Wilson could make a push to play this week as well. We'll have plenty more updates more tomorrow when the Cowboys are back on the practice field. We'll also preview the Dallas defensive
preview tomorrow against the Arizona Cardinals. We'll have a bit of a scouting report to look at for the Arizona Cardinals what they bring to the table in week three. But that's going to do it for us here on a Talking Tuesday edition special. Thanks to all those that texted in gave us some great phone calls today. We'll do it again on Tuesday.
And real quick.
Congrats to Jay Lou, yeah jam his way back on the field. Congrats to him. I don't want to overlook that by any means. That took a lot for him to overcome that injury. That was a serious injury. Yes it was all right, it wasn't. I mean Nick Chubbs and you know, respecting prayers up for him. People see those things and they're like, oh my gosh, and it is very much so attention should be paid to that
and prayers up to him. But which Jay Lou had to overcome is insurmountable for most people, So kudos to him. Kudos to the entire training staff for getting him back on the field.
Yeah, that's awesome and he's gonna be even better this week. Played limited snaps in week two. Gonna hopefully see an uptick. By the way, I forgot to do it. But the smelly sticker from the fans is Tyler Biottish. Tyler Biottish got that smelly sticker taking care of There you go, yeah right there on the helmet. Nice job.
He just recovers fumbles.
Yeah, he's a downfield He just Johnny hustle league.
Leader in NFL fumble recoveries right.
As going into Monday night, going into Monday night football.
So there you go.
So Tyler Biottish will give you a smelly sticker on here.
We'll make sure it's read to hustle play.
They need to.
They're gonna need to fumble in the end zone so we can land on it get rewarded.
Touchdown.
We've had a Terrence Steel touchdown before it could happen.
It could happen.
All right, That does it for us. You're on talking cowboys, will see you tomorrow. For Chris bem Isaiah Standback, John Machoda, Nick Harris, I, Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Star in Frisco. We'll see you tomorrow with more Talking Cowboys.
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