Talkin' Cowboys: Problem Spots?

twenty twenty two. Ot a's are officially underway, and we will break it down for you. We haven't gotten to see a whole lot what we have heard some things, and we of course have news and notes. We're gonna talk about some OTA stuff. We're gonna take your questions from Twitter. By the way, you can go tweet at me at Kyle Underscore Yeoman's. Get your questions out there. We'll answer those coming up in the second segment. As always, Chris being running the show in the back, heck My Harrison,

Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. Gentlemen, how are we doing good goods? Swell. Feel a little bit better now that football is kind of back in the air here. Oh heck, yeah, a little bit. Can't wait to hear some pads, you know here in a little while, Pad's clicking, clicks popping. Almost there. When is Pad's get on? When do they get on? Oh? A few days into camp, real training camp. Yeah, so not just yet, but not just got a little bit away, not too far away?

Under seven weeks? Is it really? Actually? I think it's six weeks from today. Yeah, crazy's training. We're gonna blink, man they leave. Is I think it's six weeks from today? I may be wrong. Let me let me double chatty in my hate it was like two and a half months away. No, yeah, no, it's not that far away. I got June. You checked your inbox yet, because it's probably got a couple of emails about training camp dates. It has this. Yeah, I remember, I'm just a country guy.

You know. I'm saying it's just as important to you. Said they divided the room, right, you know what I'm saying? Hey, good, we were Hey, we were all in practice. We were we were we were all in rookie unity camp. We all enjoyed rookie man camp. I definitely was walking back to Robbiella. Wherever rob go, I'm going in your pocket. Who got drafted here? Who played here? And who's just a you know, just a guy. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't buy that. I don't buy. So that's my role.

That's what I do. I connect myself. I carry something, microphone, cam, y'all need me to carry. So absolutely, I'm on my way consolutely. Can I puts? I mean, that's what you gotta do. What you gotta do. Ye gotta do what you gotta do unless your I say it. Nah, they don't know me around here, me for condentials every corner I go. We did the math back here, it's nine weeks and three days. Hey from now? Yes, and happens as well. It was almost That's when I start counting

how many weekends I have left at home? Thanks Chris, Now I know, wow, nine weekends left. I don't know where I got that number. There's anxiety that I didn't need, did you just I'm thinking like vacation. Yeah, as I was saying in my head, I'm like two and a half months, Coles is six weeks. I'm like I don't know.

I don't know where I got that number. Means that means this show starting to wind down a little bit here, Yeah, means we got like four shows left and then it's one, two, three, camcoun pretty much you're taking us to Cancoon yaalk going to rob pee Island. Let's do that. Yeah, Chris, you come to all right? Sound making a five man triple charge to the car. Let's go, all right, Rob? What's been going on? News and notes around Cowboys Nation this

past week? Didn't have you last week? Glad you're back, and anything specific going on OTA is getting underway. We just we just mentioned that. So no pads, but finally some some eleven on eleven we'll get to see over the next few weeks. And I think they're only having eight of these instead of nine. I think Mike McCarthy prefers to after Memorial Day week and just have two that week, then three and then Mini Camp and then it's time to break break camp get ready for Oxen Art.

So we'll see a little bit of a continuation what we saw on rookie Camp. We'll see how the rookies adjust to the veterans, and it'll be nice to see Dak Prescott, I assume doing all the things Like last year he was anytime there was a pass rush, they had him in bubble wrap, so coming off the injury. So it's interesting how like as we dive into this, it's it's shifted a little bit. Like last year was this blank slate for the defense. We had no idea

really what to expect with dan Quinn coming in. Now we have a picture of it and it's it's flipped like offensively, there's a lot for them to kind of figure out and change the dynamics around Dak Prescott this year. So that's something to watch for as we get going here.

It's kind of been those dynamics that have been shifting through the draft process, through the guys that they brought in this offseason, and I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of eyes on guys like Dante Fowler, Junior James Washington because of really the lack of additions from a free agent standpoint, there's a lot of pressure on those guys to come in and perform. But heckma, when you're looking at the specifics of OTAs, you're not going to get to see a ton of these these guys really at

their full potential. But who do you expect to kind of fill that role early and maybe shine at the early parts of these practices. Well, I think all the veterans should shine because they've been here, they know the routine. For the rookies, they're going to be like a fish out of water just trying to figure out the pace of the NFL. So when you mentioned the name like Dante Fowler, these are guys that you know coming into camp, are coming into this season that you know these were

not the moves obviously that you were expecting. The front office is not going to make any hasty decisions. So I think for the veterans that are on this on this roster, uh, seeing the guys like Dante Fowler, seeing Malie Hooker in his second season with the Dallas Cowboys and in this defense, what he's going to be able to do, just getting acclimated to this defense, so to speak.

So you know, there's so many there's so many guys on this roster after this offseason that have to answer some big time questions as far as their productivity, and those are the I mean, camp isn't going to answer that. Only real game is going to answer some of these questions that we have about this team. Yeah, I don't know if there's gonna be like big shining anybody any shining moments, um and OTAs, but one shining. I don't know how this God, I'm starting to turn into me?

How you see that? Right there? Forever all Uh? I was like, damn it, no, not too Isaiah, please, Oh no, I don't know about shining moments, but I do. I'm looking forward to seeing if Dak and James Washington can get some chemistry. I think that's gonna be a very imported an element and gord into this season, that those guys get in sync early and then and then that can carry on and well into camp and obviously transition

to the season. But I think that's going to be a very He's going to be a key ingredient to this office's ability to move the ball this year. So I'm looking forward to seeing Dak healthy early and then him working with James Washington, him adapting to this particular offense and his finding his role. Yeah, because you lose Cedric Wilson in that wide receiver room, and that's kind of the guy you want. James Washington to become special

team's impact. You want him to be that fourth receiver, maybe even better than that, and kind of be that reliable target from a receiving standpoint. That's on the same page as Dak Prescott. If you go on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Over the last couple of weeks, Rob, Nick Dave have all been putting together this this problem Spots series.

It's actually really cool. You go in and it has specific spots that going into the offseason were quote unquote problem spots and what they've done to either fill that or what they expect to do in order to fill that when the season comes around. I want to kind of talk about a couple of those problems spots and Rob, I'll let you start, since you were part of that series, which one do you feel like was the biggest problem spot and what have the Cowboys done to address that

that to this point, that's a great question. We've got we've got six of these, I think, and we're wrapping it up today with slot receiver, So pay attention to Dallas Cowboys dot Com to that. So we've got punt and kick returner, we've got swing tackle, center, depth, slot receiver, kicker and linebacker depth. That's a great question. I would say, man, I might go with swing tackle honestly, Okay, just because it's a backup position, but history says that's a starting

position for at least three games. Because Tyrn Smith is not He's great when he plays, I mean he was, he played at a Pro Bowl level. The metrics showed that, but I mean he had played a full season is twenty fifteen. So they have to be prepared to have a starting caliber guy at that position, at a major

key position protecting Dak Prescott's blindside. So I don't know if I think they're they're happy with what they have in place there, but I don't know if they know who's going to fill that spot yet, because they have three young tackles who have not played a preseason game, much less a regular season game. Yea, And typically that's been a role where they go when they sign a vet to fill that spot or at least compete for

that spot. It's been Tian Sky, It's been Cameron Irving, Cameron Fleming, and now it is Matt Will Let's go in the fourth round, Josh Ball in the fourth round last year. Tyler Smith is a left side player right now, although we feel I think we all feel like he's you know, a strong candidate, likely the starter at left guard if he doesn't lose that opportunity. I almost broke out into col Switt recognizing realizing that we don't even

have a kicker. Well I looked at that when it was like, well, yeah, that we don't have a clue with that one either. Yeah, we know, and the kicker that we have is undrafted, unproven, so that that gives you a little bit of pause. Um, but when you when you put the quote out, I mean the tweet out to all of us about what the rundown was going to be, you know, obviously you go through all of this from Dallas Cowboys dot com and looking through what we have, and I felt like it was the

edge rusher position. Um, when Randy Gregory signed with the Broncos, it was apparent that Cowboy Nation felt as though there was a hole in this defense that wasn't we were not. That's well, the front office hadn't made the steps to try and feel that role, and you had enough names in free agency that came through that Stephen Jones was

just staying hood. He wasn't signing anybody, didn't matter if it was an aging guy of free agent, whatever, And so you saw the philosophy of what this UH front office was going to have going into the season, and I thought that it really I think the what I'm trying to say is that the draft really kind of they played their hand with the draft, with every pick that was over analyzed scrutinized, and they added the depth

that they needed to this team. But I really believe that bringing on Sam Williams and already a crowded defensive front room, bringing him on, I think to me really kind of plugged that hole from what you were looking for for Randy Gregory. Because this guy sixty four two hundred and sixty five pounds, runs a four four, is quick twitch, and he comes into an edge rusher room where the expectations is not all that high for him. All he has to do is be a higher gun.

And so I believe that his production and what we potentially can get from him is one of the things that you gotta be. You gotta look at Sam Williams and say, look, potentially you have definitely closed that gap. Which player has more pressure on them to perform this year. And I feel like I know the answer to this question. But Sam Williams or Dante Faller Jr. Which one has more pressure to produce more here in twenty twenty two, specifically out of that addresser spot to fill that Randy

Gregory role. I mean Sam Williams because of where he was taking in the draft, that's gonna put all the pressure on him. But I believe equally uh Dante Fowler, and you can even say neither. You could say neither because of the way that the rotation is gonna go. I mean work together as a team, absolutely, And it went that way all season long. If you go over the Dallas Cowboys defense in the way that Dan Quinn implemented a lot of these guys, it was completely by

committee committee. It was the only guy that literally got all the burn was our safety and Micah that was it. Kurson, Michael, That's that's it. And so everybody else was was was rotating in and out. And I just feel like, again even with Dante Fowler, and I said when we brought him, when we signed him, that hey, he's gonna it's gonna be uphill battle for him to even make the team.

Obviously Dan Quinn and everything that I've heard in interviews with him, he is he's really high up on Dante Fowler. And if Dante Fowler can't produce anything for the Cowboys, that is a win win situation. But you may potentially end up hutting some really good guys at the end of this and you get past can linebackers still worried about it, still worried about obviously, like the prospect that they drafted. You know, I had opportunity to go out

there and see him, see his size and all that. Yeah, Damon Clark can see exactly how um, you know, how engaged he was in terms of the walkthroughs and practice. But he's not we don't have access to him. It's not healthy. Yeah, he's not healthy. So we drafted somebody who's a future project that we can't get our hands on now. So you're still in the same position you were in before the draft and in terms of impact

this year. So I'm still worried about that position because it takes long behold is something ever happened to Micah? You're then you're then you're relying on vander Esch, who you weren't high on. Obviously, you brought him back out of necessity, and then you got Jabille Cox who's coming off of ACL that's what you're relying on. Yeah, at the linebacker position, or vander Or flipped around and save vanders who who had a healthy season last year, but

his battled injuries. He's had much of his career season he ever got beginning to end through. But I agree, But I also would like to include in that, how many linebackers that they use last year understood at the time as two linebackers and and so, And I think that's maybe why they're keeping it so thin. But as we sit here right now, I think that's the biggest if you recognize that as a whole. They damn sure

recognize that as a whole. And they're gonna make a move in between now in the beginning of camp to bring in a veteran linebacker. I feel. I think they have to because even even rolling with two linebackers, we're not too deep. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, as what I'm saying like and as we're talking about OTA is getting started, Jill Cox is the guy that I would not expect

to be out there. I mean, he's gonna you know, they think he'll be ready for Week one, but they're gonna bring him along and so, yeah, numbers wise, that's a spot to watch as the offseason goes on, they try to upgrade or you know, at least add some depth.

It really reminds me of the safety position last year at this time, because you were looking at the safety positions like, okay, you added this guy curse like you have Donovan Wilson who was coming off of a good back half of the year where he was forcing turnovers, but even he wasn't necessarily one hundred percent healthy, nor was he really a part of the off season program. At the time. You felt really thin at safety. When you got through the draft, you're like, okay, where are

we going, what's happening here? You signed Keon O'Neil, You got some bodies in the room. But then later, even when you got to training camp, you got on the phone and Malie Cooker was on his way to ox start. Yeah, and he showed up a couple days after the practices that started. I feel like you're going to see something similar with the linebacker position because I agree with you

both completely. It is very very thin and if you don't go and get somebody, maybe a veteran, maybe just somebody who's kind of an in between her, in between a contract. Maybe he needs a one year deal to prove himself. Somebody like that, like a Jayren Curse potentially comes in and plays that linebacker role. That's something interesting to think about as well. It's very different from last year when we were talking about this position, like where's

everybody gonna play? Like how much can Jalen Smith possibly play in this group? You know, it's just not nearly as deep as it was last year. We're pretty right asking that question. Huh, we were right, And I don't know what week it was, but that was it for him the middle of the season. Then one other problem spot that I do want to hit on, and you guys wrote the article of finding competition for Tyler Biottish at the center spot, and last year it was Tyler

Biottish and that was it. In terms of the center, you were talking about Connor Williams maybe sliding over playing as the backup that never came to fruition, thank goodness. Matt farniok is maybe that backup center they go out and they add two guys Alec Windstrom out of Boston College James MP out of BYU, both solid collegiate players, both very experienced, had plenty of production in college, but

they were both undrafted guys for a reason. Do you expect there to be any competition for Tyler Biottish Because across the board, if Tyler Smith wins that left guard spot, I think you could maybe look at Beatish as the weak link of the offensive line moving into the next couple of years. I don't I don't know. I don't know those other two gentlemen well enough to speak on them yet, But I think I'm an advocate that every position to should have competition, every single position. I don't

care who's at quarterback. I don't care who's that running back, receiver or whatever. You can go all the way down the line, the whole roster. I think everybody needs somebody to push him because the moment that you get comfortable, you become complacent. When you become complacent, you lose your drive. You lose your drive, well, you don't win ball games. So I think that I hope that they have a plan to have somebody pushing him at that position, even if he is the guy which we all assume that

he is the guy right now. They need somebody to be Hey, go ahead and go ahead and snap one over his head if you want to, you know what I mean, you need you need that. Every player needs that. That's that's the NFL. And if and if you lose that competitiveness, that's the one thing that makes everybody who plays in this league different because you're you're one play away from getting fired. Yeah, you know, And that's that's

what keeps you on your toes. That's one of the things that keeps you in your dog on you know, in your in your playbook and watching film and all that jazz, because if you slip up a couple of times, there's somebody else right there willing to take your spot. I agree. If he didn't have a healthy fear of being replacing, something's wrong with him. I mean, his chair should be hot right now. There's so many people that have been talking about him from last season, him being

tied to Connor Williams. No one was impressed with what Tyler Beardest did and I think a lot of times you felt, especially those games where he went up against those big one texts, that just kind of drove him back, and you're looking at sixty three saying, hey, dog, you gotta do something about that. Uh, Like like week one coming up, Yeah, you got you got a lot of you got a lot of matchups. But that's the thing.

That's the thing in the NFL. All of these guys each and every week are going to go against a bull at the one and guys that are shading that three. But Tyler beodest For me. I just feel as though if your coach fielding, you're like, look, this is your job to lose, and if you play yourself out of this role, then it's all on you giving him the opportunities. Right now, he's over there practicing, letting him know, like

you have to be the brains of this. And I think when he replaced, when you're trying to replace a guy walking the shadows of a Travis Frederick who was a cerebral maniac when it came down to calling the offensive, calling their protections, all of those things, how far is he progressed in his football? Like you is what I'm thinking about, you know, because that's he has to be that guy up front and so look, the added pressure is there, but also the pressure at just making sure

that you have your mind wrapped around this. The what they're doing up front, that's it. That's like ninety percent of the position, right, I mean, there's the physical part, but it's that too. Yeah, I think I agree with you guys. I mean, I think they feel like if if they've got left guard lockdown with more some more strengths and more power, I think he's a better player.

That's the way they look at it. And I think if they had felt like they were pressed at a bunch of competition, they would have drafted somebody or brought in somebody. And Matt Farnioc I know they've they've talked about him a lot. They've kind of dropped his name, like, oh, he said, here's all the time. He doesn't leave. But he's played one game in college at center, you know, so there's not a lot of experience behind Tyler Biotis well.

I mean, and they did. They did sign a couple guys up the draft, as you mentioned Kyle, but Lynstrom smaller player. Uh MP is pretty small too. Yeah, they're both actually undepending under pounds. Probably why you're not getting drafted like that's that was part of the discussion after the draft when they were asked by Nick, I think, what, you know, you kind of passed on the best center in the draft, and you know, maybe they looked at Um linder Baum and said, maybe he's not the right

size to play that position in our scheme. So yeah, I just I don't know, you know, where the competition necessarily comes from for Tyler biotis right now, although last year I think they were looking at Connor Williams and it was odd that they waited till camp to do it. Yeah, but I think they were kind of looking at the best five type thing, like if he could hand They liked McGovern at left guard potentially, and maybe if he

can handle that center thing. That could have been a competition in the middle of camp and it just didn't pan out. It kind of felt like manufactured competition all the way through instead of that natural competition of guys that played center. Specifically, seeing it in hindsight, at the time you were thinking best five, you were thinking that it was going to be something there with Connor Williams Connor McGovern, Maybe both those guys split the playing time.

If Tyler Beiottish were to not be the guy at center. But I don't even think then we were talking about Connor Williams being the starting center. So since Joe Looney was on the roster, Tyler Beiottish has been unchallenged to this point, more or less, more or less, yeah, yeah, all right, let's take our first break when we come back. Who is the best cook in the kitchen in terms

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already prepp. Well we've got we've got a home run derby vet over here, right, I've got into the cages this week. I'll go with you up that. I'm glad you said that because there's a media section to this right too. Yep, And you are going to be part of it. I'm trying. Wait, it's not official. I'm trying to get in it. I'm trying. That's freaking go it made. It's not It doesn't look good right now? It does? Hey, hey, hey, hey in it? Here you go. I need a one shot.

I need one shot? Was here? Hey, I don't know which, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. We need k Y there. It is no jelly. We need k Y in the home Run Derby, He's gonna hold it down for the whole talking cowboy screw if he don't get in there. We're throwing stuff around, throwing stuff around, like the microphones in the studio. Christian's gonna be really upset. But there was a tense moment in one of our

departments a couple weeks ago where I got challenged. He said he wanted to play, and and and nickmas like you kind of scoffed at me, and Nick was like, okay, yeah, and you like I think you stood up and You're like, what I play? Okay, let's go. I would love the opportunity to play. I've got charities thought of and everything. I would love the opportunity to swing the bat. I think it'd be a lot of fun either way. Either way,

I don't stop either way. I will be hosting the event nice, so I'll be down on the field and seeing the event. So come out. It's free emission. It's always a ton of fun. You get to see the play up close. Everybody's just loses. Relax. I don't think he's gonna swing. Usually we don't get votes, That's what I was told. And they're trying. They're trying to finagle one. I'm bringing you guys take us next week for the one man. Yeah sounds good, but yeah, fun stuff with

the reliant home run derby. Let's take some questions from Twitter. By the way, well some good ones and I tease this going into the break. Our friend Tie asked what position coach? But you can't name a coordinator, so no Dan Quinn. In this conversation, what position coach is the best cook in the kitchen? Meaning which position coach will max perform the talent that he has been added to the team or that has been added to his team to his position group. Out of the guys on the list, Rob,

you have one in mind? How about London Wells, Let's steal it. Go ahead, you're a thief. No go ahead, No, no, you go ahead, thief. Um Dalton Schultz last two years with London here playing at a Pro Bowl level, putting up Pro Bowl caliber production and getting a one year bag. We'll see if he gets a multi year bag. But

I think that's a credit to coaching. And now you draft Jake Ferguson in the fourth round and that's you know, that's going to be a key component to try to add to this blocking and I think I think they've got a guy in London Wells who can who can bring that out of him. Okay, why do you agree? Because I mean, from that standpoint, Dalton Schultz is not the most physically gifted individual that we've ever seen in this league. But yeah, he's been productive for this particular organization.

They productive enough for them to franchise him. So you look at that development with with the skill set that he has and it doesn't just show up. You know, that's a lot of a lot of credit obviously to Dalton in the work that he's put in on and off the field, but there's a guy who coaches him every single day, and they don't get enough recognition and I think that London has done a heck of a job.

And I've seen him since my time with the Giants, you know personally, I know personally, but the development that he's put into himself, um, you know, into getting himself in shape and mentally overhauling himself and getting himself changing over from the offensive line side and over to the

to the tight end side. He's done the heck of a job within himself in terms of coaching him and now he's coming He's helping out these guys at the end of the tight end room and then showing up every week and everybody's like, oh, man, Dalton just came up and had a heck of a year. It doesn't just work like that. Players don't just show up and just start playing well. There's a lot of work that goes on the back end. And hats off to him. You know, I can't pick a coordinator, so I'm gonna

go with Al Harris on defense. I was gonna say too, so we al Harris, And for me, I think Al Harris and his influence on these defensive backs. Um, you see the jump that Trayvon Diggs has made and his progression, even progression even Brown UH and his second season under UH with with Al Harris, I think it's it's really something to see how good coaching can change players and

Lewis guys like that. Just there's there was a little bit of a spark to that dB room and that dB group, And just as the season got rolled in the turnover started to come in, you start to see the camaraderie amongst that group. And I think we started to see that in OTAs like we see it on the field, but we see the way these guys operate out here and OTAs and Al Harris man, he has his pants pulled all the way up, he's got tape on me, and then he can still go, yeah, get

that man a helmet. You know, he can still get out there and do it. But I just love the tight knit group that we have with the DBS. But I just Al Harris is one of those coaches that I see him being a chef in the kitchen as I want to say what somebody might have been Treyvon said last year. I mean there's probably some extra weight that's carried with his message because he's bland done it at a high level, a high level at a Super Bowl level like that that carries weight with players for sure.

And one of the images that comes to mind with that is Treybon during training camp in twenty twenty when we were out here, when were socially distant and we were watching from over the top. Every three single rep, Trayvon went straight back to Al Harris. There was that conversation back and forth, and you saw the jump. I mean, Heckma mentioned it a moment ago that, yeah, Treyvon Digs had a jump, but the whole cornerback room had a jump from last year because we went in We went

into the draft last year thinking cornerback, cornerback, cornerback. You didn't add anything specific, but you saw jumps from Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, the addition of Kelvin Joseph, but that was really non existent in his rookie season. Yet cornerback wasn't a top need into this draft this year, and that

to me shows coaching is paying off. And you can't necessarily mention Al Harris Without also mentioning Joe Ed Jr. And the way that he's kind of played an impact as the defensive passing game coordinator, as a secondary coach, and somebody that handed George back and forth. You think about that's another good Yeah. I mean I mean not talk about a player that's just like constantly attached. I

mean Mica. They have a great relationship with George Edwards. Yes, yeah, so I think all three of those guys can buy. And that's a big reason why Jay Wren Curse was successful was because of what Joett Junior, George Edwards were able to do, and then of course Mica being what he was. So yeah, I think those are those are some good names. Old fans understand the impact that coaches have on players. How it's major. You take somebody, there's

there's there's coaches, and then there's there's a system. Right, so the coaches have to understand the players and their their gifts and talents well enough to put them in a position and be successful. But then there's also the development portion of it. So you take a player outside of his organization doctor Cordelle Patterson, right, good player, talented,

return man, cool. All of a sudden, he goes to a new organization with some coaches that understand how to utilize his talent and develop it and give him the confidence. All of a sudden, you have somebody believing in you and showing you some tips at the trade of the trade, and you start bawling, right, same thing with what you guys just mentioned. Tradema talented, young talent, all right, future is gonna be high on him, but no, let's get him with a cat that has on this at the

highest level. Um. And by the way, he still could put him dog on, sweats up and get out there and put hands on somebody if he wanted to, if he wanted to line up on CD right now, he could, right, you know what, he could. He's that guy. He's that listen here, he gonna he gonna get some Honda. He's gonna pull out some Vet moves on him. Okay, he's gonna get hit the chest three times that uncle strength, right Okay, No, no, he might once they start running,

it might be a different story. But he has the tricks and all those and all those little crafty things that he can pass along to those guys that you just can't no disrespect to other coaches, that you just can't get from other coaches. Now, through experience and all that jazz, they're gonna have that in their bag from people that they've worked with but when you're a player that has competed at that level and balled out and been All Pro and Super Bowls and all that jazz,

and then you turn around and coach. To your point, there's such a high regard for you as as as that player and a person that they're gonna look up to. Quick. That's what Jake kids doing for the MAVs to drop in my MAVs reference real quick. I mean, he's done a hell of it. And the season ain't over tonight last that's the last day of the year. No, it's not,

it's not. No. No, I just wanted to figure back off of that because it's so much of that that's so true, and not only in a football sense, but in a person of business senses, you know, not being able to manage the talent that you have. And that's why the great CEO's executives are who they are, because they know how to delegate and make maximize the talent

that they have. I think we came off of a season with Coach Nolan where we saw guys running all over the place, and you have to give coach Nolan a lot of grace because of COVID and all of that, but I just see players not being used the way that they should have been. And now with dan Quinn stepping in, you see a guy that recognizes Michael Parsons, And I don't believe it was until he chased down Justin Herbert that the light came on. He was like,

wait a minute, I'm not using this right. I need to, you know. So it's not until you see that that car get drove the way it's supposed to that you know how to manage it. And so but I absolutely agree with the difference that coaches make. And this provides a great segue into Alfred's question. He wants us to talk about the offensive line coaches because their ability to develop young talent is going to be on display very quickly.

And we talked about the swing tackle position with Josh Ball Matt will Let's go then in the interior of the offensive line with guys like Tyler Smith and Matt Farney Off. Guys that have been drafted or signed in each of the last two years are going to have to make an impact early. So how much confidence do you have rob that Joe Philbin, even though he's been in the league for seventeen years, he's done good things.

He's also had some lows at the same time. But then you've also got Jeff Blasco kind of tag teaming it. What is your confidence level like in the offensive coaching staff offensive line coaching staff. Yeah, I think it's there. I mean, I think you said it. With his experience.

I mean, he's been a head coach, he's he's worked, and I think you know, there there were some issues last year with the offensive line, no doubt, but I think I think you saw guys grow too over the last two years overall, with Joe philbin here and Terrence Steel's the best example. I mean, the guy that's undrafted and is at a point now where they're like, we can let Lyle Collins go and he can step in

and play that position. To your point, though, that might be the most important coaching job on staff, like going forward, if an offensive coordinator, Yeah, well, I guess I'm not talking other than coordinators like and of course Mike, but like just alone, just Tyler Smith. Can he jump in right away as a first round pick and help you immediately like that development because he's young too, you know, if there's a knock on him coming out is that

he is kind of raw from a talent perspective. So that's alone might be the biggest coaching job going forward, just kind of like Michael was last year, developing MICA's skills and finding a role for him. Philbin has done an absolutely amazing job since walking into building here and you think about the amount of players that he's utilized, Yeah, the number of number of lineups that he's had over the past two seasons. This dude has I mean, he's

done a miraculous job. And you're not on an island in this There are people that think he's done a great job, and I think the staff across the way thinks he's had done a great job. But there's a good contingency of people that don't feel that way, that feel like down and I understand why they feel that way. You understand there's two aspects to the office alignment. Office alignemen have to keep your quarterback upright and give him

opportunity to throw the ball. And then the office alignement have to be dog on you know, gorillaz those and get some guys out the dog on mud and drive him off the ball and not be penalized and not be penalized. But that's so much of that. There's technique that it's involved in both. But one particularly has a

different mindset, and that's running. That's running game right. Run blocking, it's different you that takes a different mindset to get underneath somebody who's three hundred plus pounds called two ninety three hundred and thirty pounds and drive them off the ball. Technique alone is not going to get that done. You

have to have a dog out there. So I don't know if they've had those dogs out there recently, which is why I think they made the pick that they made this year in the draft, even though he's raw and he still had some things that he needs to shure up. There's no question mark about about the dog mentality. He's he's a drag. He's a dog in there, and that's what they need. They needed somebody with some attitude who's gonna be out there to be able to go

out there and deliver it. Now, take some of that coaching, take that technique, apply it to that that that dog on you know, tenacity that you have, and move some of these guys up the dog on paint, because that's what this officing life needs. Right now. They need some grit. So Philbin, yes, I understand, you gotta get the running game going, but that's not all on him. Passing game is a little bit easier to coach up, a little bit easier to coach up getting guys moving off the

ball a lot different. Now, you know, when you talk about the island that Isaiah's own giving Philbin praise, there's so many people that just thought he did a horrible job, and we're calling for his job really in a lot of ways. And but I'm I'm I'm on your side on this because here's what I know about football. And if you look at any program worth it salt, you go into the offensive line room, tell me who the offensive line coaches, and I'll tell you the success you're

having as a program. Because if you don't have an offensive line coach worthy're worth the salt, they don't have nothing. And any you look at the pay rate of offensive line coaches, they try and pay overpaid in keeping. We've had some great offensive line coaches here that have gotten things going and filbing it's wanting to be in that

list of it. I have to allow the grace for a filbing as well, because of the injuries that he had to deal with Leo Collins last season coming in and obviously you know the labor room and just the musical chairs of the offensive line and Tyren Smith also going on going down. But I think developing players in the NFL has really became a thing of the past, man, because if a guy didn't work out, it's so easy to call him a bus and then cut him and

get rid of him. And then, like we just were talking about, another coach gets his hands on him and he redevelops this guy and turns him into something, and we're all looking like, well, damn, I thought it was a bus though he was in the wrong system and no one could develop him. The easiest thing and always Nate Newton is somebody that I love having these football come sessions with because as an offensive line he'll tell you, man, the easiest thing to do is a run block, because

most high schools have a sled. You know, you blocking sled. You know he's five on, put five on it, you drive it down the field. That's the easiest thing to get a three hundred pound man to do is go forward. But pass blocking, that's where a lot of the troubles come in for offensive line and technique, and we saw those troubles with the clock and Doc and Dak's head last season with a lot of the injuries that he was having up front. It just changed the dynamic of

the offense. We couldn't play field position in ball control anymore because teams like Vick Vangio who had the blueprint and started coming after us. There's a lot of air quotations because you know what, he's gonna live rent free in my head because of his whole you know how about them Broncos in the blueprint deal. It's too bad he's not the coach for these joint practices and the preseason game coming up, man, just say him and Mike.

That would have been fun because we will see Tyrn Smith versus Randy Gregory again though in those practice that's gonna do. Yes, yes, we will. Yeah, Hey, we know who dominated that those match ups. You know that's why timers haven't Tims Smith back healthy being able to develop the left guard and you're you're right. If he can get this guy already with the what he has and you know he has that dog mentality and just refine what he has already. I expect him to be a

player for us. Just for those who may not know, the Cowboys do have two joint practices with the LA Chargers August seventeenth and eighteenth before their preseason game against the Chargers, and then they also have a joint practice in Denver against the Broncos on April eleventh, prior to their first preseason game against Denver. So that came out this last week. I don't think we've hit that as a storyline on this show. Jake asked which young defensive

tackle do you expect more from this year? No injuries. Let's pretend they're healthy all season long. OsO Diggi Zuoa or Neville Gallimore? Isaiah, who you got Galimore? Why? Because the there of clogging up the middle in this defense last year and the necessity for that role, the reason why they went out and drafted somebody, So they drafted somebody to pretty much, Hey, we just talked about competition, So you didn't get it done the way in which

you wanted to get it done. So here, here we're gonna put another another, another guy in there to compete with you. He was traditionally a three technique at Oklahoma. He played a lot of three technique as a rookie. Do you expect him, because he is a little bit bigger than some of those other guys that are in that three technique rotation, to maybe slide over and play the nose a little bit now that Brent Urban's not a part of it. And you also don't you have

two young guys in Quentin Bohanna and John Ridgeway. However, nevels by far the more veteran of those two, and even he's still a young guy. I don't think, I honestly don't think that this team plans on having a true nose. I think that they stunt so much and they move around so much on the defensive line, and they want those linebackers to be able to flow and get those those matchups on office liniment with half a body, not having to take them on head on, but getting

them half a body. Well, in order to do that, you need your defensive line crossing the front of these office alignment and causing some confusion up there. So I don't think that this team intends to have a true one. So I think Gallimore should be confident in his role in terms of transitioning from what he did in college. But those guys have to be able to move across the front of office, alignement, and get penetration. That's the difference.

The penetration aspect is where this team has struggled over the past few seasons. They need to get somebody moving up the field and messes and messing things up in the backfield. And that's why I take also Diggi Zoo because I think his quick twitch and his point of attack explosiveness is different from Neville Gallimore. Same beast, same animal, just different, you know. And I think also Diggi Zeol just brings that quickness to it that you need when

you talk about penetration. But I just want to take the whole world tradition as it relates to our defense is just bump, just ball it up and throw it away, because there's nothing traditional about what we ask these guys to do in and out of the scheme. Because I think of the position X that we like to enjoy with with our players, and so also is that player that I believe second year coming up for him, Man, it's gonna you should be excited about what he did

in his first year. The coaches are very excited about LSA. I think they feel like, you know, he's gonna be like a ten year guy in this league, just just super productive. They asked him to do a lot early in the season, I mean for a third round pick,

and he I think he delivered there. I would go with Neville Gallimore just though, because um full season healthy, Like into training camp it looked like he was getting ready to take a jump and then he gets hurt and that's a serious injury he was dealing with too, So I think full offseason. I honestly, I think the answer is both. But also, you know, Carlos Watkins is a guy too that can help some of that rotation play a little knows play inside. So yeah, So I

love Gallimore's energy, man, Yeah, I love his energy. Before guys, I think they both had energy, but there was something about for me particularly, there's something about Gallimore. He just like he loves he loves the prime time like he loves the crowd, you know what I'm saying. Like he like there's just so many, so many, so many guys that are liked that, and I think he loves that man.

And when I saw him go down to that, I was like, God, he was bringing so much energy to that group and impact he was getting up in there, you know. So looking forward to seeing him back out there healthy. What about Tristan him? Do you think Tristan Hilly makes this team? You got two young tackles that you drafted. Yeah, of water, that's about it. Last year of his deal, right, Yeah, I mean this is this is it. There's a lot of defensive linement. Oh, it's

crowd They got crowded quick, Yeah I did. There was a tone. It's who steps up. You talk about competition, it's there. That's the most competitive pensive line. It's there for the most competitive room, hands down, as defensive line. That's a good question, is it. Oh yeah, I might have to be not receiver in terms of crowd lineman, not quarterback, not running back. Yeah, it's deal, it's d line. Yeah,

I would agree to. All right. Since we brought up position flexibility, this is this is kind of fun killing Moore, who's a into the show on Twitter. Position flexibility is important for more down roster folks. That kelling killing more. What's that cable? Not killing? Unfortunately, so outside of the mascot position, what would Rowdy play if he was called upon on game day kicker, why because you see those boots. Come on, man said, a necessity would get a necessity.

Perfect way to take us to break, Kyle. I think I think you could go like down lineman, a little edge rusher actions Kidney. He's got those big old hands. You could chop and block and go around. You want to see him in a three point stance. Heck, yeah, dude, I don't know. I'll go with kicker straight kicker with or punter one of the two. Okay, yeah, I don't even Yeah, there's that much flexibility for punter, that's true.

I don't think you can get that leg give him kicker. Uh, somebody said field goal return man, because he's always back there anyway, because he's sitting under the field goal post. All right, let's add the break when we come back. We will wrap things up on another offseason edition of Talking Cowboys right after this new Doctor Peppers zero sugar.

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for you. See more, do more on Talking Cowboys. We have recording a break. We have to We cannot do that. That's not gonna happen. No, no, you're not gonna do that me, he said Derek. I did not okay, No tui us oh final Final segment here talking Cowboy, Chris b mcma, Harrison, Isaiah stamp Back, Rob Phillips, some Kyle Yeoman's. Somebody brought this question up and it was on one of the one of the websites. It might have been NFL dot com throughout the week or something of the sword.

It was just kind of a fun question. This is something we could only talk about, I think in the off season for times time consuming standpoints. However, by the way, this segment brought to you by blockchain dot com. If you can, if you could choose one player in the NFL, the entire NFL to build your team around. I was so confused on this question. Who would it be? One player in the entire NFL? I mean, no constraints or

you can even think of at this point in their career. Yeah, at this point in your career is a salary matter, No soundtrack doesn't matter, contract out the windows to fantasy draft, just straight up fantasy who's your first pick? And do we really want to ask this question? Yeah, it sound like a setup, is like a gotcha question. No it's not. It's just a fun question ahead, pe Okay, if if you guys admit, if you would have said that nobody

would agree with you to a certain extent. I love Dak Prescott as much as anybody else, but he's not number one on that list, right, I'll go, yeah, I'll go Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahomes. And I think like there's some and that's not a knock on Dak Prescott exactly, Dak Prescott, guy, I think everybody knows that. Um. Like, I think there's some recency bias sometimes in sports in the NFL, Like, you know, he didn't make the Super Bowl. Now Tyreek Hill leaves and it's kind of like, is

he are people catching up to him? I still think over the next ten years, like he's going to be in competing to go to the Super Bowl every single year. And part of it is because they have in an organization that does a good and a coach does a good job of surrounding him with talent. But like he's I think he's the best young player in the league.

Like and to me, it's it's hard to argue that although I think that that Bill's chief game, not only was it one of the best five games of this century that we've watched, I think Josh Allen kind of Maybe this is recency biased, but I think he showed he's another guy that can can reach that level too. And by the way, I think Dad can reach a

Super Bowl too. Sure, but if I'm having to pick one guy, Mahomes based on what he's done so far, you know, those are three names that I've I've thrown around Mahomes, Josh Allen, and then you can maybe think defensive side of the football too, But the quarterback position is just so valuable at this point. I'm torn between two names. Okay, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, not Pat not Pat? Why those two? I like Justin Herbert too. By the way, I like their dog they got they got they have

that dog mentality. They work, they work hard. That's not to say to any of us these other premier quarterbacks don't. There's just something in those guys that I feel like it's just like just a fighter's mentality. And I think that they're both so early on in their careers that they have they've been successful to this point, and I think their organizations currently are building around them, especially Herbert Jesus, they just helped him out defensively. Um, but I like,

I like both of those both of those quarterbacks. I'm so disrespectful. I'll disrespect I mean, is Tostitos Championship plaza again? I'm always so those plaza. Come on, guys, you're gonna say this in the Star, Yeah, definitely. But this questions set, there's the second question on the back end too, that we will ask which cowboys should be at the top of that list. No, I mean, come on, now, you asked me a quad. I'm gonna give you understanding. Sure.

Aaron Rodgers, I mean, come on, dog. I mean, it's a guy that's had an amazing career only two years and I believe seventeen going into the seventeen seasons where he's at double digit interceptions. There's nobody's played the quarterback position like this man. He fits the ball into places that I've never seen. He made a throw in a T and T in the playoff game. I've never seen

anybody make a throw like that. Man. He does things on the field that is is like, it's I don't know if we'll ever see a guy that has that kind of placement in touch on his ball the way that Aaron Rodgers does. He is that dude. Yeah. The only thing knocking. I guess his stock in this conversation would be the age, but he still hasn't necessarily shown a slow inkling of slow. He's a back to back MVP Award winner for a reason, so I definitely can

see that. I think I would choose one of the three quarterbacks that you guys kind of mentioned, between Mahomes, Alan, and Herbert. I think I lean Mahomes just because of what he can do from a standpoint of freelancing and kind of making plays on the run. Josh Allen can do something very similar, but I think Mahomes has a better arm for doing that while also moving and as much as he's already done, he's like twenty five. Yeah, he's not that old, which is crazy. Experience, youth, and

talent all put together. That's hard to find, and those three guys all have it. But I think Mahomes is just still a half a step up on Alan, and then I think Alan's a full step up on Herbert. That's how I would rank it back and forth. But as I promised, which Dallas Cowboy would be highest on that list doesn't have to be the It doesn't have to be on the offensive side of the football, if,

if anything, we could split at offense and defense. If we want, um, which which quarter or excuse me, which player for the Cowboys would be highest on that list altogether? Mere you go, you guys would let him go first. I know where you're going da all day or all day or all day. If we're gonna go on the other side of the ball, is gonna be who getting on the bus with Michael? Michael baby, right? I mean that's just it. But I think, look, I even thought

that last segment. I just feel I don't need a shower right now because I didn't say Dak and I said Aaron Rodgers because of the numbers. I mean, you look at the other players that you're talking about. Herbert, he's only done it for but two years in the league and had all had all the yards in the world, but still bounced out of the player. Let mean, come on, I mean, the same thing that you knocked Dak for,

you don't knock these other guys for. And I just feel like that's the people are contradicting themselves right there. But I think that Daks as far as the numbers, as far as the PF when you want to use it to make your point. Qbr yards, touchdowns, double digits, interceptions. I believe three years so far in his career, this this guy is on a trajectory that's going this way. And so I just feel like DA is the obvious answer.

I'm going rain Dakota too, Okay, most important position, And I think, as I said earlier, like I don't think he's far off from being where he needs to go. I really don't. Some of a lot of it has to do with what's who's around him. Um, I just I mean, some of it's just being around him and some of it. A lot of it's what you hear from people about him, Like he's the type of guy, type of person, type of leader. You just I don't see him not succeeding at the highest level at some

point in his career. People people don't buy it right now. There's a lot of people skeptical right now. Yeah. I just think he's only twenty eight. Where there's time, there's time for him, and I think he's gonna get to that level. I'm going with the Bazuka, And I know that's weird because he's a defensive player, but I like his approach. I like his mentality. I like the fact that he doesn't rely on somebody else to go out there and have an impact on the game. He literally

says it's on me. And I like that about him as a player. I like that about any player who has that mindset because it's easy to surround those individuals with people who just want to just feel that some of that energy and who just want to be a part of that. How many people do we see on the defense side of the ball this past year just want to be a part of that. I don't want just Mic out there making plays by him, So shoot,

let me get in on this right. I ain't made play since birth, But guess what, I'm go out there and do it now because he's out there doing it. You want that, and I think that that's somebody that you want, that you want to build around. And obviously I think that they're they're starting to do so. Yeah, And I mean it was a complete overhaul the defensive side of the football, and it started with one guy

that was number eleven on that side. Now, if Dak Prescott prior to the injury, you mentioned trajectory, heck, the true objectory, the confidence, the leadership abilities, all those things were there prior to the injury. You could argue that

trajectory has kind of been a stagnant since then. Do you think prior to that he would be on that that initial list of guys up in that conversation with the Allens and the Mahomes and stuff like that, I think everybody is putting two on the team with Josh Allen. I think his decision making needs to be called into

play as well. He didn't do all the great things, and it's because he's way up in Buffalo that he didn't get the scrutiny in the market because he didn't do a good job with all he had thrown Dak on touchdowns and interceptions as well. I mean, look Dak right now, if you take away the New York and it's his foot turn first the way, okay, and he's sitting there trying to figure out what is his career going to be like? After that, he came back and

he balled. We were looking at pictures of him walking into Luke Casey's and his freaking ankle was the size of a great fruit. But he went out there and balled. And I take to one play, and that's the one against New England to walk off touchdown the Sea lamb.

To me, that was the foreshadow for Dak of the whole twenty twenty one season because he that was his highest high and his lowest low because he got injured on the same freaking play and it took the whole offense with him after that, right, he was firmly in the MVP conversation at that moment. Think about that moment, Think about that one play and what that meant. Because if you walk off from that situation healthy and you go to through the bye or beat Minnesota and going

to the bye, doc, you're cooking with house. You got house money right now, right, And so everybody's looking at Dak in the way that he finished the season and would not give any credits to what we talked about with fielding, the offensive line, the penalties, the kicking game, all of that and putting it on Dak and said, oh man, he's not in that Josh Allen. But you

ain't watching Josh Allen then, you know. But nobody said Joe Burrow, And you know, I would think as far as the other guys, I mean, this is the guy you want to want to start talking about before you even get to a Herbert or Josh Allen. In my opinion, Yeah, yeah, That's why I said recency bias with Josh Allen because I think the last image was like, oh man, he took the Chiefs to the brain, He's maybe the guy. Then Joe Burrow beat the Chiefs. I got you who's

your pick? Who you got? Oh? I picked Mahomesh Cowboys. Yeah, Dak. I would still would pick Dak quarterback second on that list with me, Micah. So I'm right there with you guys in terms of the reasoning altogether. But I think Dak is still the guy here. If you had to pick one guy, one Jersey that's going to be the biggest impact man on how this organization will either succeed or how it would have fail. It is firmly on the shoulders of Dak Prescott, Right, That's exactly the point.

So I think I think he's in that conversation he would be the guy would want to build around, because that's exactly who you have built around. And there's that's where you got to get to some of it too. For me is I got to spend like forty five minutes with him for something else we're doing last week while I wasn't on the show. Sure, and it's just hard to like just being around him. The type of guy is the type of leadery. It's just it's hard not to think there's something big that's he's gonna do

at some point. I just that's just how I feel about it. But but it's hard enough to put Micael there because Mikea just had a season that really we almost haven't seen in the NFL for a rookie defensive player, and it's like, how good can this guy be? So I don't know, you flip a coin, I guess it's a lot of pressure on Mica to perform at a higher level this year. Absolutely, I think he's got to take the next step that you would anticipate for a pressure on him. I think they aintbody on his team.

That's a conversation we might have in a future episode because that's a pretty interesting statement. But that's gonna do it for us. We are out of time here on a Talking Cowboys Tuesday. Once again, Ota is going on all week long. We will break it down for you. We'll get a chance to watch him practices between now and next Tuesday for Chris Being, Ron Phillips, Isaiah Standback, heck My Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's thanks for joining us.

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