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Happy Friday to all of you. We've got a busy weekend ahead as the Cowboys players will not be on the practice field today, but they will be on Saturday and Sunday, and we look ahead to the Blue White Scrimmage on Sunday as well, which you can see right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and on t XA twenty one in Dallas Fort Worth and you can be a part of as well. Make sure to make plans if you're in southern California to be out here on Sunday.

It is a four o'clock start time. Players hit the field starting at three thirty and there's fun for the whole family. How are you guys doing this morning? You're perfect, You're perfect. Way you set things up, I mean, you just kind of go right into that's a professional guy, But no, do it good feel like you know, it's the three days a practice have been pretty good. Off day coming up. You know, players kind of get a chance to catch their breath. We need to catch our

breath a little bit too. But it is going to be a really exciting weekend with you know, with the practice leading into the Blue White, because like with the Blue White, you're gonna get some actual, some tackling and see a lot of these young young guys get options. As a former scout, I appreciate that the most when I'm trying to put this team together. Yeah, it's a nice little preview for preseason game number one. Yeah, because

we'll see me just five days later. Five days later, we'll see some of these young guys, like Brian said, towards the end of practice in a real competitive situation, and then they will probably dominate most of the snaps against the forty nine ers. We had some preseason football last night too. We did Football's game, Yeah Fighting seventeen sixteen win by the Ravens over the Bears RG three

in the house. That's right, Yeah, yeah. Man. Lamar Jackson, though thrown had mixed reviews, but it's the first preseason game, first to five for those two teams. The next Thursday, of course, the Cowboys will be up the road in Santa Clara to take on the forty nine ers and again though on this Blue White scrimmage. In fact, after today, it's four straight practice days for the Cowboys, afternoon practices Saturday, Sunday and Monday, and eleven am practice specific time on Tuesday.

And Brian doesn't like to talk about the weather, but he did mention it just before we came on the air that it's gonna be eighty eight degrees on Monday and Tuesday. That's very hot for this place. It is. But you know, Jason Garrett, if you were asking him, he would probably get a little smile about that. You know, it's not like it's a devastating weather, but you know you can still breathe. But yeah, that's good. They get a little heat, and you know, it always helps your team.

It helps, not not the excessive heat, but little heat helps your team kind of get things going. So on the news this morning, I heard that in San Diego it's been so warm that the Pacific Ocean has reached a record high of seventy degrees at the beach as it really I'm thinking high of seventy. I'm still not going in the water. Seventy degree seemed to me. Those to me those Shark Week movies. I'm never going in the water. I'm the guy. I'm the guy waving on

that man. Good to see him. Yeah, yeah, I'm here, and I don't. I don't get into the pool like in Texas. You know, obviously it gets into the nineties in May in Texas. But I'm not getting into the pool until. My rule is Memorial Day to Labor Day. That yeah there, and it's got to be at least seventy eight. Yeah, and that's pushing it. Sometimes were such whimps. Seriously, I talked to my wife the other day. She's like, it really cooled off at home. It's like ninety eight.

It's not one hundred. It's not a hundred. Can I tell a real quick little story. It's not Mickey's minute, No, no, but they'll try to make this quick. When when when I lived in Green Bay, when it was zero degrees, you felt zero degrees, so you feel it, But the next day it would be five. You could honestly feel how what the difference between five extra degrees? What it felt like to your body? You're like, oh, I feel it.

I understand it now. So I mean when you get to a certain point, it ninety eight is actually pretty cool compared to one hundred. And I tell a quick little story. It's like the weather channel. One of my best friends in high school. Uh he is. He and his family moved down from Wisconsin to Irving, Texas. Uh And they were at a high school football game in early November in Texas, having having lived in Wisconsin their whole lives, and they felt They said that I've never

been this cold in Wisconsin. When you get that Texas wind blowing and it's thirty degrees, it's quite a difference. I can tell you an expensive story. Here we go. My electric bill just showed up. Oh I do not want to say. Oh, air conditioner never shuts. I remember my sister asked me, the air conditioner ever turn off? I go, no, it's got a it's got to cool off like thirty degrees when it's one hundred and ten, just to get it to seventy five. Knock on wood.

I'm just praying that my air conditioner makes it another That's what I am, because it's it's due to be replaced. Fix mine weekend before we left. You fixed it yourself. Absolutely not I paid three hundred bucks or whatever. Okay, what'd you get out of yesterday? Favorite day of practice? That was a good, favorite day of practice. I love red zone work. You know, we didn't get the we

didn't get the off. Some defensive line involved. But I really felt like that when they came out and they had the one on one and you have Chasing Garrett there really keeping score and he's almost like he's prodding the defense. That's eleven to four. Somebody gonna stop the bleeding here. You know, somebody's gonna make a play, so

you know, and you can kind of tell. And then the intensity, not that the intensity wasn't from the word go, but I thought the receivers did a really good job of getting open and then all of a sudden it became like, you know, Christopher Shard and then got involved and said, okay, let's let's start playing some shutdown defense here,

and they were able to do that. I liked. I love that period because hey, you compete, be both sides really kind of got at each other, and I thought that was really see it is right in front of us. Yeah that at last week, we're standing at the end zone. We had to back up off the line, tethered to his camera and he'd try to see everything. Well, and you can you can hear the coaches, Yeah, hear the coaches coaching up the players. Right. So at one point

it was eleven to three, right the offense. Yeah, and then it got to fourteen to ten to six, and then he was like, okay, the next play is worth six points, the defense one, and all of a sudden it's fourteen twelve. Well, they had they had a deal too where if you remember, they had a string where they went like the offense was just clicking it along and then they at the end like Mickey, after the six point play, then it became like they made three

or four stops after that that were good. You know along the sidelines at Jeff Heath play, somebody was making plays, uh, to keep them out of the end zone. Was the moneyball? Yeah? When well up when he upped the any on the point, that's when the defense made because at one point it was it was one point, and that's when he Garrett was really going there. Maybe birds flying over, just got hit myself, calmed down, Yeah, yeah, don't be strain. I got a coaching Yeah, throw the headset off, can't help.

I've got a coaching point to make here. Whether you're coaching at the professional level, the college level, high school, for you youth sports coaches out there, make it fun for your players. What Jason Garrett was doing there, it was he makes it a competitive drill. Okay, So when you're coaching girls softball or whatever, keep score of the drills that you're doing, right, but it makes it it

has your players more engaged in the drill. But the thing that I got out of that drill from a coaching standpoint as well, it relates to the Cowboys Packers game when Aaron Rodgers threw the fade over Jordan Lewis right to win the game. Okay, I remember Dave Campo texted me at that time, right when that happened, and said, you can't guard the fade like that. The cornerback cannot

guard the fade. You can't look back at the quarterback. Okay, you remember in that game they threw a fade that was more of a lob to the corner of a Rodgers did on Jordan Lewis over there. Okay, he saw the technique that Jordan Lewis was using. He looked back over his shoulder right at the quarterback, and then they came right back, hit him again, hit him again, and he did saying technique. Chris Richard was coaching his corners over here right said you can't look back. You can't

look back. You got to guard in the hands, guard the hands. And I texted Campo uh last night and said,

they're teaching him just like you said. Well, if you notice the guy that the guy that seems to have the ability to really play the ball, whether it's down the field or in the end zone, has been Byron Jones, and Byron Jones is a can not only can he get his head around quick when he's chick when he's tracking, but he has ability to get back to the hands and he's he's a if he sees his hands, he will swat through your hands every single time to try

and and and at least disrupt you. He's gonna make you make a contested catch, either you're gonna get it or he's gonna knock that thing over by you and I and standing over there and there in the inside Cheto did that too, and one on ones over there in the corner against Kale McCabe was giving up four inches on the guy right and was still able to high point the ball last second, make a contest get the ball down. That was impressive. Both those guys are

just absolutely flying around out here. My good as. It was a bludgeoning Yeah, yeah, proding the defense, it was, and you know what, and it was going on without Herns or Thompson on the field too, by the way, those guys got themselves a day off. Yeah, Herns has got some tight uh both odds, both of them are. They're a tight so. But yeah, that it was and

providing opportunities for the younger guys. Oh yeah. In fact, the first first guy you mentioned on your notes today or tell me what you're seeing, I tell you what though, they're they're they're they've committed. Lance Lenor was a favorite of Will mcclays when they brought him in last year. He returned punts with really some you know, some poor results,

but they kept him around on the practice squad. He was one of those guys that I was told that was when they practiced reps when they when they were actually getting ready for games. Now, he was the scout team guy, but he was also getting reps with the first team, and when they wanted to throw a guy in to kind of give somebody a break during practice, he was getting some work. He's been a guy, he's

a he's a favorite of the quarterback. He was a guy that was part of the star group that came in every day and was working with Dak Prescott and went down with Dak to Orlando exactly. So he's he's tried his best to but he's starting to show up. They're putting him on the outside, they're putting him in

the slot. He made a tremendous catch yesterday in the in the uh in the red zone where he was able to uh, you know, he was going against Anthony Brown and Brown was all over him and he and he just reaches up with his hands, he snatches it. Brown swiping at the ball. He gets the ball down to him and then he's able to secure it. But he gets both feet in right next to the pylon, you know, and then gets the gets the touchdown. So they're throwing him a lot of opportunities here. We've talked

about guys that haven't been practicing. You know, hey, if you're able to run, you're able to make plays, they're gonna keep you. They're gonna keep you on that football from No. Brown. Better get on the field before he gets He said he was a favorite of of Wills. He was a favorite of Das. Yeah. I asked Dak about it one day in the locker room. He goes, that's my guy. Yeah. You know what, that's interesting you bring that up. What number does Lance Lenore wear fourteen fourteen?

What number did Miles Austin wear his rookie year fourteen fourteen? What did Tony Romo say about Miles Austin after about a year? Who going into training camp? I think the second year? Who is the guy that was his guy? Miles Austin and college free agent? Right, and top of all the stuff the reps he's getting, he's also back there catching punts too, and hopefully better than he did last year. Remember that time it was the first get the Hall of Fame games. Well, I remember the Hall

Also the game we played in at the Colosseum. Brad and I were doing the game and he was like halfway in the sun halfway and it was yeah, trouble that year. Oh gosh, It's like yeah, and that can get you cut, right, because Gray Williams is no longer roster because he struggled returning punts for several days in camp already. You know, the day before he was running to come back and he slipped and fell, and he's on the ground, prone and forward like he dove from

the ground. He was he was laying on the ground. Mickey's absolutely right. He's horizontal to the ground, and somehow he manages to pop himself further towards the sidelines and then reach back to get the football. He continue to make plays like that. A couple of a couple of other notes on Lance Lenore out of Western Illinois. The Leathernecks career records, they're two hundred and seventy three catches

for nearly thirty eight hundred yards. He was a high school teammate of Laquon Treadwell in the South suburbs of Chicago. Create Illinois Deep dis Pizza down there, Yeah, Create you can get it. Yeah. That was the next suburb south of where I grew up. And by the way, they were two thousand and twelve state champions. Yeah, I've done my some of my prep work. That bead is ready for him to have a big game. Yeah, I'll be I'll be wet blanket man over here. I'm looking at

the numbers. Yeah, that's gonna be tough. That's the deal. He's gonna have to he's gonna have to really show out. And how does he have to beat then? Okay, just okay seven or eight? Practice needs gonna have to beat the he needs him to keep seven. Yeah, I think so. I'm looking. I'm counting six right now, that like I feel good about. But how are you dressed for a game? Five? Just five for a game? Probably so he's your part returner,

maybe you can dress for the game. But remember they they they they brought him up at the end of the season last year, sure to make sure they had the rights to him. Sure, what about punt return? Well, if he's dressing, if he's your guy, I mean that's why return. Yeah, right, he was. He was working yesterday's with I mean, well, well Williams. They gave Beasley a

little time away from the punt returns. He kind of I thought he did his hamstring and when I asked him after practice, He goes, I got kneed on the side of my muscle in the quad. Don't don't You didn't need Tavan to be your punt Yes, yes, I mean you're trading. And with the new kickoff rules, we'll see how in the preseason. That'll be interesting to see how it manifests the new rule. The only the only reason you wouldn't do it is if you're worried about

him getting hurt. But but you traded for him because he can do so many different except when the ball's being punted inside the red zone, then you want beastly. Yeah. Yeah, what if they'll go back to that? I think so. Do you think Keith Oqua will carry on that tradition? Think?

He He pointed that out to me, by the way, without even asked, Hey, can I ask you a question about And you were talking about Noah Brown and he made an excellent point yesterday, and I want to give you credit for that, But you were talking about the linebackers that this team now has, and it went over my head there and I apologize, but but I went back and thought about watching the show and stuff. You said that with the more linebackers that they might not

be able to keep Noah Brown? Is that kind of is that kind of keep him just because he can play special teams? He's gonna yeah, you know, yeah, he's gonna have to make it as a wide receiver. There you go, See I missed that. I think that's good to think about the linebackers they have now that can play special teams. Know, before it was basically wilbur and Damian Wilson. Right now you got vander Esh March, Lillard, March, Thomas Thomas. Because why was he why was he drafted?

Maybe if he why was Noah Brown drafted? Seventh round? Seventh round? Why was he? The size? Probably the traits. He was drafted to be a wide receiver, yes, not to be a special team game Well yeah no, but it was. But one of the main reasons he was he was drafted was how young he was and how he was wrong. There's no question, Ohio State guy who's twenty years old coming out and you want him to

develop into something. And but you're right, he's got to get out here and and this preseason and shows up because of the numbers at the wide receiver position, Yeah, I'll be he can have a leg up on everybody else because of his specialty, Which six did you count? Well, if you're counting Tavon as a receiver, and I still have I've not seen him in the backfield yet. He said yesterday after practice that I haven't been in the backfield yet, but he's ready and Willie, maybe they're not

showing it. Maybe they don't want us to watch that tet. I've got Tavon Beasley Gallop Thompson, who by let's not forget that Sanjay coached him, Yeah, and has holds him in high regard. Yeah, hearns. And I got Terrence Williams. That's six. Right to see. This is where it's gonna be interesting if they and Mickey don't don't kill me because the money. I understand he's making money. I understand. No,

it's just guaranteed. Yeah, but I'm saying, do they swallow that then to keep a player that might be better than Terrence war cap wise, they've got room to swallow. That was a question for our Alexa app Brian the other day. If it comes down to a young guy with potential, Terence is in the last year of his deal, right, is that a consideration for that? See, that's not that that's what That's what I'm thinking. Would they would they would they would they sacrifice the space to keep a

Lance LN or keep a Thompson keeping Noah Brown? Is he in the last year of his deal? No, I know he's got two more the last year of the garts the coaches and again this is a new coach. The coaches traditionally keep guys, are like to have guys that they have familiarity with. Now he's got a new coach he's playing for. You know, does does this do these rules apply to him? Where I'm making you think?

Jay was very uh noncommittal, no defensive of Terrence Williams yesterday because somebody suggested that, uh, well, have you had an effect on him? Because I see him, uh catch the ball with his hands. Yeah. He looked at him, and he goes, well, I maybe I'm not watching as much as you guys do. He goes, But I asked him a question about he's got the reputation of being a ball yeah, and he said, and he goes, I

haven't seen him. He's been catching the ball with his hands, He goes, You know, and sometimes you got to catch the coleb tell you that I mean, there was a lot of times yeah you got that plant. So he he's he's pretty sharp. But I will say this, yes, did you watch him after practice yesterday? Over here? San Jay and Terence Williams twenty minutes they were working specifically, And that's the reason if front, That's that's why I

asked him the question. Things they were They were specifically working in practice on catching the ball on an out route with with the hands. Yeah you know, but okay, we did good describing what he's doing now better? But is that going to be good enough to make this football team? Would they consider we're just crystal ball in here?

We're not. I'm not. I'm not saying this is gonna happen, But I wonder if they do have if if if Thompson, if Noah Brown coming back, if Lance Lenore and say that Williams doesn't pick things up, Not not that he is. I think he's doing a really good already looked pretty good here. Okay, but if it comes down to one of those guys, who do you take? Yeah, because I left off Noah Brown in this list that he'd be seven, Maybe maybe they keeping think that's the you guys are

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bad too. I'll hold in nine seven two four nine seven the number to call, and so we'll give us a call and join the show here on Talking Cowboys. I've got a all right this this day in Cowboys training camp history. What happened? Mackey? You can't answer this because we had this conversation yesterday. I was just smiling two years ago today, August third, twenty sixteen, Kellen Moore got hurt. Kelen Moore broke his ankle. We had our dak for cootus points who stepped on his ankle? What guard?

That's a good one. Oh, is he still on the team. Though I don't. I'm just getting I think it was probably Clay to board. May I think him? I think it was him. I think it was Clay to board and stepped on his ankle. I changed the course of quarterback history. Indeed he did. Of course that happened. And at the time, Dak was battling Jamie Showers for the third string quarterback job and Kellen Moore was the backup. And then three weeks later, of course, Tony Romo breaks

his back and the rest is Dak Prescott history. We talked to Kellen about this a few days ago and he said, well, we got Dak Prescott out of the mix of something good happened. I mean my led to the end of my career to buddy. So here's the question I posed to Dak Prescott yesterday when we did the Dak car wash. What is your interview on with him? It? We aired a little bit of it last night, but I think the entire the entire conversation will be Sunday night on CBS eleven. We'll post it as well. I'll

retweet it at CBS eleven Bill Jones. Anyway, all right, So here's my question. I mean, and you can chime in on this, all right. Setting that stage there, Kellen Moore goes down, Tony Romo goes down. All right, What was the most likely thing to happen two years later, that Kellen Moore would be Dak Prescott's quarterback coach, That Tony Romo would be the lead analyst on CBS, or that Jason Witten would be the lead analyst on Monday

Night Football. Most likely or least like the most likely thing that you would have predicted at that time, Kellen Moore is the quarterbacks coach. That was what I said, Yeah, because he was headed and I talked to him about this. He was always headed down this path, yes, family of coaches, and he told me that you know what happened to him is right over there a couple of years ago just kind of accelerated the path because he kind of became a coach player coach that year anyway from him

and Mark Sanchez great help. So you're all in agreement that Kellen Dak's answer was Romo and Witten. He really decided between the two because they're always going to be successful at whatever they do. Basically, you know, yeah, but that's just assuming they were done with football. Rank how you think, Okay, rank one to three, one being the most likely, three being the least likely, Kellen Romo, and

then Witten least likely. Because I thought Witten would play till I thought Witten would play two or three more. I thought it be the other way. You thought on the broadcast on Monday Night Football, No, that he would have no, no, that he would be retired before right. Okay? Yeah, see that's that's where I think my money on football is such an iconic brand. Jason Witten is the last guy that I thought would be on Monday Night Football

as an analyst, the last guy on April fifteen. Yes, because you thought he'd still be playing, or you didn't think he would go into I just didn't think he would go into TV. I didn't think Jason went I thought Jason Witton's path was going to be into coaching, and and then the next thing, you know, he's coaching Memphis, and then he's coaching you know, he's coaching Vanderbilt, or he's coaching you know. I think that's kind of where I thought he would go. Here's where I here's where

I think Witten's career is going right now. It's he's Monday night football booth and whenever that Tennessee head coaching job opens, Yeah, that's where he's headed. He's thirty six, has a lot of life left to live, you know, willing he can do. A lot of guys have come out of the broadcast booth and become head coach. The Titans job might come open if something happens in Ohio State and with Brave Bravel going on the back to his alma mater and little yeah but when getting that job,

but he try for the volunteer. Yeah. Little did you know about Kellen Moore's family of coaches? Yea, his grandfather coach basketball at my high school. Yeah, little did we know that, Bicky, Hey there rank now rank now Kellen Moore Mickey's high school coach is full not my coach he coached. Oh okay, you didn't play basketball at high school backy junior high Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that.

Tavon Austin played basketball in high school. He revealed, Bill, don't use all your material now, that's just Tavan brought it up yesterday because we were talking about the wide receivers carrying the bricks. It just wrote that down to remind me that I had that quote, and he actually used They used that same drill in basketball in high school at Table High School, and he said, I didn't shoot no bricks in high school. So I picked that thing up. Yeah, that's I was gonna ask. Because he

picked up the brick. It weighs twenty five twenty five pounds, but it's painted so it's clipp slick. So I was holding it and it just slid roud. It wasn't because hand sized didn't have a problem. Well no, it did strang strength, but the paint just it slipped right out of my hand. Yeah, imagine that. Because there's no podcaster professional wide receiver. Somebody didn't make it but ten yards who who? I didn't see that someone. We have trouble. Well,

they're trying, they're trying to build up to it. Wants them to go with early in camp, without your breath. Seriously, only take Noah Brown one earlier, That's what he said. Yeah, early on. It's just been one one trip down and they've kind of gotten better at it. Tavon said he only made it like halfway across. Yeah, you can't. You can't. There's no grip, you know, it's not like it's a rough surface that you can kind of dig your fingers into. It just slipped right out of my hand. Oh wonder

why you're not out there? I mean, we're not. I'll go next time professional God to do a talking Cowboys version. They're in that tent. We go do it. I got two numb fingers right now thinking about it. Yeah, I'll see already, excuses I'll try. I'll go. And by the way, every time I talk with Dak just come away more and more impressive. You know, I've talked about it yesterday. He's just a stud. Is he feeling pressure? Bill? I did bring that up to him, and he added a

likely answer. But uh, you know, he's just exudes confidence apps to be the leader of your team. And and going back to our conversation from whenever it was yesterday or the day before about that pressure of the contract and all that stuff, he's got so much confidence about it. He didn't even think about that. That's why I said yesterday, like when he says that stuff, I actually believe it. If he says, if he told you that there's no pressure, most guys say that and I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah,

all right, I mean, yeah, sure, there's pressure. Thank you very much, Chap. Yeah for the interview. Okay, thanks, but well I'm not gonna get in this discussion with you again today. But everybody out there's got pressure looking at him. But it's it's it's opera. I think he probably used it more as opportunity. It's banics for him. It's how you opportunity, motivation, opportunity, good words. Okay, so the backup

quarterback situation, Okay, what do you see in there? I hope we got a couple of gamers, because it's kind of been a little hit and miss, to be honest with you, Mike White. I've got two size fourteen Nikes right up on the top of this table for Mike White, and yeah, it's it's been it's been a little bit of a struggle for him, to be honest with you.

From what my evaluation is, I think he's holding the ball a little bit too long right now, and some of his throws, I think he's some of his indecision as far as where he wants to go with the football has been a little bit of a rough. And again, he's a rookie guy at Cooper Rush. He hasn't been perfect either. I think some of the stuff down the field that he's tried to throw has been a little off. He's made some throws and then times he'll make a throw in here where's he going, ends up in a

spot of the field. I'm just very hopeful that we have these four preseason games, that they get protection, they continue to get good wide receiver play, and that both Scarborough and Jackson and those guys can tote the mail to keep defenses off him a little bit so they can make some play action throws and and and and complete some passes and get a little bit more confidence

about what they're doing. So what about that guy Jackson, Yeah, Varius Jackson, He's had some nice both Scarborough's had some good runs too. Yeah, they're gonna have a tough time. Hopeful about that. I really am. So it was a Trey Williams release solely because of the instability to I think Mickey's got the actually and I think after they saw Jackson, yeah they yeah, I mean, because you know, and I got reminded. I forgot. He's not even a

year removed from his ac ACL injury. Right, So, oh yeah, you know the thing the Cowboys you gotta remember about Jackson, They liked him, they didn't want to lose him. Yeah, he was on the he was on the inactive list for twelve games, and then they had to make a move, and I think the move is to get Randy Gregory on the roster. Darren mcfaddman it was McFadden, Okay, I knew it was. Who was somebody that they had to

release that never mind. But but yeah, they thought they were going to sign him back to Cleveland, Cleveland and Cleveland with Cleveland doing Cleveland doing a good thing, you know, you mean, if you're looking at personnel, you know, and you're a bad team trying to add guys. And it didn't work out for him Cleveland like that, and then

he tours a c right right away. And the thing I'll say about the backup quarterbacks that Brian said gamers, I'm I'm willing to reserve judgment until we see games because I'm just looking at yeaheah, you're right. Just was your just you know, we're out here watching practice and when and when they when things are good, you say they're good, and when things are not so good. You say they're not so well, you're absolutely Dak same thing. That's that's that's fair, No, Brian, you're dead on. Yeah.

I just remember Cooper Rush last year. I don't think he showed a ton in practice, and then he got to the Hall of Fame game and not only did he make plays you're talking about twenty or something like that, some crazy thing. The protection wasn't great either in that game. So we'll see. But but but yeah, Mike White does a lot of the time look like a rookie quarterback processing things. I thought it'd be. I thought it would be a little bit of a smoother transition for him.

He is a rookie quarter Yeah, yeah, just a seven or eight practices, please, you know, I bear with me here. I'm just evaluation. Yep, that's all right now, maybel early, Yep, that's right. Yeah. How many people like you said, why did Jamil Showers scouts thought when the scouts thought that they had Dak Prescott when Jamie show hours, that's what they thought. That scouts will admit that they thought they

thought they thought they thought Dak Prescott. They went Scott Lenahan and the coaching staff were the ones that really pushed Wade Wilson really pushed for Dak Prescott, and the Scouts argument was, well, wait, don't we have Dak Prescott and Jamie Showers. And they went back and forth, back and forth, and then the coaching staff won. That won that discussion and it worked out for him very well. Don't worry about it was a business. No, no, no worries,

no problem. But think about it as we talk about two years ago today. At that point August third, twenty sixteen, Dak Prescott had not separated himself Jamiale Shower much less but Jamie and not until they go to the college the RAM game, and we're all sitting in that open air press box going where's this guy been? And then all of a sudden you start remembering the things that Dan Mullen and those folks at MISSISIPI said, State said, Hey, you're gonna be glad you drafted this guy. He's he's

a he's a big time player. He went, he's a winner. All these things started going through a head. I'm like, going, man, Dan Mullen was right about this guy got in the Houston. People were saying the same thing last year about DeShawn watching Shawn Watson, you know, and and what his college his college coach was basically compared him to the greats that played the game, you know, even at the NFL level. And we saw it in the glimpse that we got

of him last year. Yeah, Showers and still play quarterback. Maybe that's the age. And I don't you know, if he doesn't this doesn't work out here, I don't know. I don't know if he could go get another shots made a couple of nice plays yesterday. Yeah, showed up. He played safety. Yeah, but see where he was. Where was he making plays? The field was smaller, and his reaction seat we always see him. His reaction. He knows where he needs to go. It's just getting there in

a timely manner. And it's sometimes it happens to Xavier Woods as well. But you you when you can shrink the field a little bit, the reaction time is Oh, if you just react the right way, you can make say he did. He did a couple of nice things, just they Showers did. I was impressed by him. He's got a different body now than what he had to

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I'm excited about this. Yes, what is this gonna air fills tonight? Yes, eleven and at home, we'll make sure we tweet that out too at CBS eleven, Bill Jones and h So it goes back to Saturday when we forgot our first glimpse of yoga, and then Jason Garrett called me out at the press conta and being the local TV station, anytime the coach mentions your guy's name, you gotta gotta try. You gotta air that every sportscast from now on. Right. So, anyway, and Stacy Hickman, the

yoga instructor, is not talking. We were waiting to see if we could get an interview with her. Well, she's off limits. And in fact, yesterday we wanted to get some more video of the yoga and that was off limits too, So they put the kabash on yoga. But we are going to persevere fight through it. So anyway, last night, after I did my live shot out here, we had to have a closing stand up with me doing yoga, and so I'm hitting record at home. Where's

my fault? I'm an ask he recorded. Rowdy just happened to be out here on the field because a competing sportscaster who was celebrating his seventieth birthday, that would be Dale Hansen. He was there presenting a birthday rowdy with a fire extingu What it was is that? What it was? Yeah, I didn't watch You're not alone. So anyway, we grabbed Rowdy and so I've got in a little and rowdy did too in a little yoga pose. Oh let me tell you that yoga stuff. Yeah, all I did. I

wasn't really doing I was. I was just sitting down with my legs crossed and did you feel old? Yes, very good by hims. I mean I haven't used those muscles and forever your legs stop. Yeah, like you know that's not politically cured. I had to bring that up as soon as it left my mouth. I said it to folks. I said, like, you know, American style. Did they have to twist you at the at the end? I didn't. I did, like put my fund up there

and my other fund over. It was just I was not doing the like you would sit at a pick set or something, sit on the ground. Picture tea pictures sitting on the ground. I think we should do that. My problem, my issue on one a minute is that I got got torn meniscus in my left knee, and so it is painful for me to sit in that lake. Well I didn't realize is how painful it would be on my hips as well. So anyway, Yeah, keep working out, Bill, You're doing a great shot. Yeah, what you'll do for

a good story, right, that's exactly right. Yoga. So I sat there and with their eyes closed and hands out, did you breathe? What a peaceful evening we are having here an Oxnard, California. When you're with the Cowboy you guys are doing your stand ups and stuff. It's pretty pretty nice. The weather I mean, is yea sweating sweating anything at all? Yeah, all right, we continue with talking Cowboys.

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thanks for taking my call. Really enjoy the show. It sounds like you guys are having a really good day today. Thank you. But I also wanted to mention I really love the banter between Brian and He's just awesome. So

please continue that. A couple of questions. First off, currently, with the way the defense is made up, UM, you know, nothing against the defensive tackles or the safeties, but if there needs to be an upgrade, um, you know specifically with that uh, that safety up in the Pacific Northwest, what would be what would make the defense better right now if they were to upgrade the safety position or

the defensive tackle position. So that's the first question. And the second question, UM, I haven't heard much about Joel Lanning. Uh does he have a shot of making this team as a linebacker? Um? Just when that's that, thank you very much, I'll sit back and listen to things. Appreciate Lanning. I think his best bed is practice squad for him. I think he does. He's such a good athlete. You could put the guy on the practice squad and he could do I mean, the guy played quarterbacks runs, you know.

And to keep in mind with Lanning too. I mean he inverted to linebacker his last year at Iowa State, right, so right, Yeah, he was a quarterback and he played some quarterback even when he was playing a linebacker at an all conference level and a great conference, the Big Twelve. Yeah, and he did it against Oklahoma too, and they beat tough defense. They have made it to the College Football Playoff for the second time in three years. You know

something something about Landing though. He might be your new version of Jamille Showers. Yeah, you know, the guy that can do a lot. But I was gonna say he's perfect for the practice. He sure is, and you know it's and we've got we've got a blue Blue White scrimmage, We've got preseason games. I guarantee it the last you know. The great thing about it is we don't have a cut until September one, so he's gonna get four shots

in the preseason games, you know what I mean. So maybe he could find a way to solidify a position on the practice squad. You know, you're always competing. You're always competing. If you're a guy, you're competing for practice squad spots as well. So hopefully he can and you know, maybe that. But if he shows up, well, and we'll see, I think this linebacker croup with who they've got there now, will be tough for him to make. But practice squad

is surely not out of the question. So if you were going to add a five time Pro bowler to this defense, would you rather do it at defensive tackle or safety? I said this the other day, I would rather do it at defensive tackle. Right now? Yeah, I think I would too, And that's because I know you've talked about Xavier Woods. He's still learning, he's still learning how to recognize things. But I kind of like what I've seen from him. Sure, I think he brought a

lot of potential. Now is he going to be an All Pro player? I don't know, but you know he's a six round draft pick. Sure, I think he's got a chance to be a pretty good starter for this team if they stay status quo. See, I gotta know who the five time Pro bowler is? Yeah, I mean that's why I got to know the defensive tackle. We already know it. Okay, it's Earl Thomas is the one in question at the position. And I just going trade for Aaron Donald since they don't want to pay right now,

there's a thought. Now if it's Aaron Donald, yeah, you're all in. Everybody's all in. I yeah, I just feel like that if you were going for the defensive tackle, you would probably go younger, longer term, if you were gonna make that trade. If you're going for the safe, you're probably looking at a two to three year deal for that one. So so what would who like? Would would Sue be the equivalent and at this stage in

his career or the equivalent of what Thomas is? So I mean, if you're with that, if you gave me, if you if you get down now, if you gave me a choice between Sue and Thomas, I would take Thomas. So that's what this kind of point in time in my career. But okay, say all right, say this, how about this, Say that the say the Rams want to give up on like Brockers, Michael Michael Brockers, Yeah, yeah, he was, he was. He was part of the Clayborn that's they took. They take stayed in that spot. They

they stay in that spot. That's where the Ram, that's who the Rams took. Okay, would you take Michael Brockers for say that's a good example, a third round pick, absolutely see rather than Earl Thomas. Yeah, just from a number standpoint. By the way, I don't know if we touched on this. Cavon Fraser is back at safety and at least, you know, he's a he's a rotation guy. I think maybe he's trying to compete for a starting job. Um,

so he's back in the mix at least. Yeah. By the way, it sounded like it's more diet than medication to treat whatever you know came up. Yeah, so we'll see. But anyway, that's from a comfortable point, they're a little bit better figure, you know. That's what he he actually did say. That's so. And I think what everybody needs to remember about the Earl Thomas thing, it's it's it's not only about the draft pick. He wants a lot

of money. Yeah, and I saw what he wrote on It's the Tribune and and that sounded all fine and good, but he didn't mention in there that he wants to be the highest paid safety in the game. The other thing, I think players like him when they sign a contract, you gotta start putting in that before your last year or the contract, you better put a clause in there that if I'm on the roster on March first, I get this amount of my base salary, because that's why

they get into these situations. And I understood his argument about I've been here, I've done all this for the team data DA, Well, you get to that point, you better have that clause in the contract because then you get older and they say, I don't know if I can afford that now, So that clause needs to be in that contract when you're entering your last year. If I'm an agent. Yeah, I just I feel like with

with him, you know, the money, I don't. I'm not so much worried about the money, and I'm not worried about the pick. I'm just I'm trying to figure out ways right now. And maybe it's a situation where if he goes to the right situation, and maybe maybe we're misevaluating how much money he really wants. Okay, you said he wants to be the highest paid safety at Seattle. I think he wants to be the highest paid safety. No, I'm sure he is already. No, No, I think bear

Eric Barriot, I mean no, that's he's hit Seattle. He wants to be the highest paid safety in the league. Yes, if you get him in a situation where he ends up in Oakland or Dallas or one of those places where he gets him out of there and it turns into a three year deal, it's all guaranteed. I use the model for what they did for the quarterback in Minnesota. You guarantee the contract and then you know, and once it's over, it's over. So three years, thirty million guaranteed.

You're probably gonna have to go a little stronger than that. But but yeah, you're then you're getting to what he wants. Yeah, but he's already a he's already a ten to eleven million dollar player right now. If you guaranteed him two more million dollars a year, say six more million dollars for three years, and then turn around it, but he's at a place that he wants to be, maybe you get that deal done. But his cap charges ten and a half million. Yeah, I just you do have to

pay great players. I think I understand, and I think it's Seattle. He wants to be paid at Seattle. But but if he goes to the right situation, and I could be totally wrong about this, making I could be totally wrong. But I think if you guaranteed the contract and you found a way too, and he gets to a place where he wants to be, I think you could get this deal done. See. I think if you give him a lot of money the first year, yeah, then he's probably looking at him going, Okay, I've got

my money. And then there's two more years on my contract, right, and I've got my money but front, but I'm back in Texas, I'm near everything I love. You know, those are the kinds of that sometimes that makes a difference. Would Seattle be interested in one of the Cowboys wide receivers? See Seattle? To me, I don't know if it's so much the wide receivers who just got hurt. Doug Baldwin has been hurt. Yeah, Marshal is listed as a starter, right, offer them and yeah he saw he was basically done

last year. I think that I think that John, I think that he could probably you offered you said, okay, look at our wide receivers and determine which one you

would like. That's you when you usually make a trade and someone saying, hey, we've got a surplus at We've got a surplus at this position, okay, look at look at our position, Look at that position, because okay, let me say this, is there anybody on that list of wide receivers that you wouldn't trade for the Cowboys for you wouldn't trade to get a shot to draft UH, to get a not drafted to sign UH to sign.

I'm not I'm not trading Cedric Wilson. I mean sorry, Michael Gallt Michael Gout, Yeah, yeah, is he the only one? Is he the only one? I think? For the for what you're how you're constructive this show. We want to part with Cole Beasley for what they do because Tyler Lockett Yeah, and you know, and and I think you need Hearns. Yeah, okay, so we got too. Everybody else

is okay? So everybody else we say. And then the other thing You've got to consider, if if I had an excess player at a position that I could trade, I wouldn't feel as bad about trading for his contract on a one year deal if he doesn't want to renegotiate, because because the guy I'm trading I was probably gonna cut right. Would you trade them? Would you trade them Jordan Lewis or Anthony Brown? Did we discuss this yesterday. He kind of made a face like, mm there it is.

It's the face I think about it. Yeah, Okay, if you're gonna, would you you would trade one of those guys for a one year deal? Right? Would you trade him? Would you trade? All? Right? What you're you're taking on his contract, but you're giving up picker, you give it up. In addition, you probably have to if you did it with a player, you probably realistic. He can look at a third ye, I think I think a second round. It's a second. I think a second gets it done clear.

I think a second gets it done clear with the contract? Right, well, we're taking on his I'm not trading for a one year contract with draft choices. Okay? Would you would do it for a player? Though? But I do it for a player? Okay? If you said, okay, we will give you, we'll take the contract, we'll give you Anthony Brown or Jordan Lewis. What about Jamie Showers. Your guy's a little smarter than that. Huh. Yeah, he's not a dummy. He's he's not doing radio like me. He's a little smarter

than that. And a lot of people think they look at what he's gonna look at your roster and he's gonna pick your best. But but a lot of people look at from the outside, look at Seattle and what they've done getting rid of players this year, and they think that, oh, they're rebuilding, they don't care about this year. But but I bet you in Seattle they care about that. Sure they do. Sure they care about They care about it, and to a point that they can win, especially in

that division. If you're paying a quarterback one hundred million dollars, then you're trying to win football games. Yeah, you're not starting over. Yea. All right, here's a question in our last four minutes here, this is a very young Cowboys team. It is is it too young? Boy? From a playoff contender standpoint? They've got three guys thirty year over right, and when him as a snapper and the lake, I don't think necessarily it is because you have experience in

key spots on both sides of the ball. You still got that veteran offensive line on the offense. That they were young leads, They were young at one time when in Pro Bowls and Pros. Yeah, they're right in their prime health, willing for Tyrn Smith and then on the defensive side of the ball. You still got Sean Lee health willing that coupled with you hope that these young dbs DeMarcus Lawrence as well. I think they've got enough veterans to put this thing together. And I always go

back to the offensive line. If you've if Connor Williams stabilizes the left guard spot, they're gonna do what they normally do. They're gonna run the football. And if one of these were a couple of these receivers can show up there, they can win football games the way they always have. Let me let me throw some Super Bowl winning or contending teams from the past at you. The ninety two Cowboys. How many players did they have on their roster? Thirty or old? They were young, so we're young.

That's why I went straight to them. About five, you have five? I would say four, four, six, ten and one. It was a long snapper, hell Astray was thirty, right Bates was thirty one, Ray Horton thirty two. I Colt was thirty, Jeff Cot thirty one. Newton Nate was thirty one and ninety two. Novachek was thirty. Saxon the punter was thirty two. And A was thirty two and Robert Williams was thirty. So how many of those guys though, were starters? Well, I mean Jeff Coote was a significant player.

He was, he had already I coult was, he was, that was. Larry Brown came in that year and so he was. Kevin Smith ended up taking his job right eventually that season. But I mean, you had a mix of old and young, and by THEA wasn't the other reason that I looked at that Dak is twenty five, okay, what's Zeke twenty two? Twenty three? Now okay, all right, Well that year Troy was twenty six, Michael was twenty six, and Emmett was twenty three, So you're nucleus there. They

were all this about the same age as what. So the key thing is is age doesn't matter as long as you're good. Dirty dozen and seventy five had ten players over the age of thirty. They didn't win the Super Bowl that year, but that everyone talks about that Dirty dozen draft class. The seventy one Cowboys Super Bowl team had ten players thirty or over all. Right, modern day Eagles last year ten players thirty or over all? Right. Actually, this year they have ten thirty or over. Last year

Super Bowl team at fourteen players thirty or over. Huh See though, if you're going to compare it to back from ninety two backwards, there was no salary cap, right, so you could keep those over keep those old guys. Yeah, and you didn't have to pay them minimums. And I haven't looked at New England how many they got thirty or over, but they got a quarterback. They got a quarterback turning forty two today, probably pretty pretty extensive for forty one today. I think New England they seem like

a team that's always adding veteran players. Did the Redskins in ninety one to have like thirty al thirty and over? Redskins have always been an old team and George Allen's teams in the seventies, yeah, all fifty one they didn't want any rookies. Got it off as Staton Babe, So Blue White Scrimmage on Sunday. Make sure if you're in the area to make it out here. It's free of charge and there's fun for the whole family out here, and you can watch it also here on Dallas Cowboys.

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