Talkin' Cowboys: Most Impactful Rookie?

here in Dallas, Texas. I don't know if you can call it Dallas because we're technically in Frisco, but we're in North Texas, North Texas, and not only is it the home of the Dallas Cowboys, it's going to be the home of the twenty eighteen NFL Draft, because you can't have a casual Wednesday around here these days. Not only are the Dallas Cowboys preparing for the forty nine ers, which we'll get into, Azukiel Elliott available for this week after the tro was granted yesterday, so we'll get all

into that. But we got to talk about the NFL Draft coming down here, and a lot of people think it has to do with the original eighty eight having such a great performance in Philadelphia and making it more of a stadium event now than just a theater. So What do you guys think of this breaking news? I thought it was expected. I thought all along they were going to get the draft this year. I think they thought all along they were going to get the draft.

I know a lot of people thought, oh, it's going back to Philadelphia, But I kind of like the NFL's idea of moving it around and not get stuck in the same place. You got to bring your game to different parts of the country. You know, it's been on the East coast forever. It went to the Midwest, and I don't know what you considered Texas, south, Southwest, southwest, whatever, and then I bet next year it goes to La somewhere. Yeah,

So I think that's good. It gives everybody in the country an opportunity to do this, and you know, it'll be interested to see how they set it up at at and T Stadium. You know, they keep talking about they had two hundred and twenty thousand people in Philadelphia because it was outdoors on the streets. Sure, same thing in Chicago. Now if you have it at at and

T Stadium, it's kind of in a confined space. So I don't know if you could put two hundred thousand people there but you certainly can put one hundred thousand in the stadium to keep an eye on it. Absolutely bring up a good point, Mickey, how they're going to set it up? We In our press release we received today, it says the draft site will encompass the field, the stands, outdoor plazas, and creating an all encompassing atmosphere and enabling

more fans than ever before to watch their favorite team selection. Guys. You guys have seen super Bowls hosted here. Final Four's major sporting events, most recently the College Football Playoff national Championship. They do it big here in Texas. Yeah, they will. And you know that's the great thing that's you know, the mini is the draft has becomes huge, and it's it's the it's the three nights of all hope. You know,

you hope that your team can get better. And so no better venue than to give hope than to come to a T and T and see if your team, in fact, can can put three quality days together and maybe make your fortunes better or you know, in some cases, some teams that have success drafting make them even better. So I'm excited about it, I really really am. I love the draft. I'm one of these guys that said this would be a great job if we didn't have to play games. I'd love this if it would just

we could just draft all the time. That would be my favorite thing. Just evaluate players and work on the draft. That's what I would absolutely love to do. We got a draft show plan now, well, actually Derek and I were talking about it. Yeah, we were talking about it what we were going to do. And we're actually gonna stick here in the SWBC Morgage studios, So yeah, we're

access to the players is the coaches. You know, I don't think we could replicate what we did last year if we were at A and T. I love the venue there and all that, but the fact that we had Joe Baker in here when we were talking about picking players and he was gone on and you know, that's nice to have that all over there. But you could have some calling guests who are over there. Definitely, you got to have people in the studio. That's what makes it cool. Yeah, and the action still you know,

the war room is here. Yeah, so you're still right down the hall from yeah, you know where Jerry and I feel like I'm in the middle of it. Here. Yeah, but I want you tay. I think I think Drew Pearson needs to be like the co master of ceremonies along with Roger Gidell. What I mean, that was the greatest rant I've ever heard my life at the draft last. Do you guys remember two weeks ago when we were talking about what Drew Pearson said about the draft and how he said it was so neat that they've been

bringing back these legendary players to talk about it. Now we might be able to put a camera in that green room and really see what's going on back there. They might not like that, but maybe we'll play in something you could host it. So do you think they'll You know, the previous places where they actually had the

draft was in a confined a are you right? And then you had all the people outside, right, They've got an opportunity to have one hundred thousand people watch indoors what's going on they do on the field, where the team's representatives are and where the stage is right right. I don't know if that's what's going to happen, but that's definitely what seemed to be the attraction that now you're just not watching it on a big screen out in Grant Park in Chicago, well, or in the street

at the Museum in Philadelphia. You're actually in the room where they're drafting. Yeah. Yeah, you can open those doors too. You can open that. You can open the roof, be open, you open the roof, you open the stadium. You can do everything you want. Yeah, and you can. You can make access from that, you know, from I guess from your middle of light area in through the stadium and the concourse and the stands and stuff. And you put the third put the thirty two teams on the floor right,

that's when I'm and line them all up. Have your stage there, have your walk in, have everything you need right there. Yeah. I'm sure there'll be a lot of things built in add it in, but it is. It's a great venue to host something like this potentially, because like you say, you can open it. You know, it's unique to a stadium. You can open it wide open to have the fans the access in and out of what you want to do. They'll now be hosting a fashion show there now too, because the players don't just

wear regular suits when they're going to the draft. No, it's all about the fashion statements to be made, so it's gonna be a spectacle. I can't wait to see. It's the perfect venue for this, because we talked about it right before we went on the air. The Draft is bigger than ever. It used to be a little two day deal. You knock it out over the weekend. It's basically, you know, teams huddling together and there's limited fan access now use for phillyback in the back in

the day, eagle Man. But yeah, this is a national spectacle. Three days. Oh yeah, it's the Three Days of Hope is what it is. So moving around is perfect. But I would just keep it here every year. I don't think you can capture the spectacle, like you said, Tay better than this. And if you think about it, when they when they, I mean they had the thing in New York would let people in Radio City Music Hall, but it was only a few people that could go up. A thousand people in the up and that was it.

Now you could have one hundred thousand people actually watching it and you have the big screen up there. Took you sdatron, Yeah, yeah, you have the screen up there. You know what, as much as I love the Draft being here, you know what, one place I'd like to see it in Canada. No, okay, closet though, Canton, Ohio. Yeah, I'd love to see the drafting. Can'ton Ohio. Yeah, Like

the future of the football starts here. Yeah, I mean I think I read where there was some thought, Oh yeah, I like, what are we coming up on one hundred years the anniversary the yeah, the hundred years of the end of the next year or the year, next raft, next season, next season. Yeah, they're they're pouring money into a renovation of that, right, I bet when finish it. Yeah, yeah, so maybe down the road. It's a great idea. I love the venue here. I think it's I think it's

a wonderful setting. And I'm not just saying that because I'm from Dallas and I love the draft, and I think that everybody. You know, it's a centrally located thing too. If you're from east coast, West coast, Dallas being a centrally located city, you can fly from the West coast, you can fly from up north. You can come and see your team draft, And I think that experience itself is cool. But I'm looking forward to the day that the NFL has the draft and can't Ohio. Now I

really am. That's a great point. And in a day's drive you can drive here. Absolutely, Atlanta, it's great, great venue here, great venue. Well, Lewis doesn't count anymore, does it. You're talking about drives. The infamous shot that everyone usually sees from the Cowboys over draft weekend is the first round pick player getting off of the Cowboys bus. Now will it be this night this year? Because he'll just be down the road. Maybe he'll be flying in on

the helicopter. Yeah, there you go. That's how Jerry drafted back and forth. Well, help us out exactly. Should get that interview right away, say our press conference at night might not just be coach Garrett, Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones. It might include the first round draft pick immediately and to say, hey, you know, this season, we don't know

how it's gonna go or how it's gonna end. So many unknown lyne here, but I think it will make a difference in the excitement around Dallas if their pick is high or low. So as far as would draft. If you think they'll have to strap Jerry into the seat in the war rooms and so you have to stay here so he doesn't go out to the stadium and be the Grand Marshal. Maybe move the war room to the stadium, a beautiful war room. I know they do, but you gotta put Jerry in the middle of it. Yeah,

Derek and I were talking about this. This is business. Yeah, I know it. Derek and I were talking about this. I mean, and like he's saying, what do you think? And I'm like, hey, you know, I think we have a beautiful studio. We had a good draft here with it the coverage and all we have the partners with one oh five three. I know Mickey's part of that as well. So yeah, I'm sure there'll be a lot of bells and whistles, but we're gonna stay with what's tried and true and kind of hanging there and do

what we need to do well. Two years ago, the Cowboys did have a high draft pick and they drafted Ezekie Elliott number four overall. Yeah, and he had an amazing rookie season. And now we're here where we're here, and everyone knows where we're here. But let's get into

the legality of everything. Yesterday, the Southern Region Court of New York District, Southern District of New York Court ruled in favor of A zig Elliott for his temporary restraining order to make him eligible for at least for the next two weeks, requesting in October thirtieth hearing to further advance this process. So guys, get into it. He was not allowed to be here yesterday at the Star in Frisco due to this suspension still being upheld. But now

today he will be Is you saw him at practice? Yes, he is there. He's there there, so shaking everybody's hands. So let's get into it, Rob lawyer man, what is this? Lawyer man? Yeah, so it sounds like October thirtieth. That's how long this thing lasts, this tro o and there will be another hearing. The udge who would rule on this, her name is Judge Catherine Poke Faila. She's on vacation

right now. So what this other judge did Essentially, Okay, go ahead, grant the TIRO that buys some time until she's back, have another hearing because the NFLPA is also a petitioned for another injunction that would be a longer term stay of the suspension and keep Zeke on the field again for the foreseeable future. So what we know for sure is that he can play practice and play this week against forty nine Ers October thirtieth, I believe is the next game against Washington, So that that's a

little unclear. It's got a chance, he got a chance. We know this week he'll be on the field. After that, we're not sure. But I thought Daniel Wallack, who's been on top of this, you know, from the very beginning, a sports and gaming attorney who's been on Twitter, very active on Twitter. He was on Cowboys Break this morning, and I thought it was interesting what he said. It's good information that even if this deadline passes and the tr expires, all the pasadute is file for an extension

of it. If this judge is still on vacation, So this thing could last, you know, at least a couple of weeks, and then and then if he gets an injunction, who knows how long he's able to play. I mean, you know, we talked about the show yesterday. We don't really know. This might be the end for him. He might have to take the suspension. Now it looks like possibly he might continue to play a lot more games.

We'll see. Well, I think it raises the significant possibility that at some point this thing's going to go to court to hear the lawsuit to challenge the validity of the arbitration. And this was just the next step. I thought, what Wallack said yesterday talking about judge failure, she is not likely disagree with Paul Crotty because he's the senior judge on that in that district. Yes, so he's saying, yeah, she's probably gonna say, okay, go ahead. Uh. I thought

to try to simplify this as best I can. Okay, there were two key points I thought in the whole thing. The first one was the NFL's arguing that the league can suffer irreparable harm if the if the suspension doesn't start immediately. Yeah, the NFL saying no, you're not going

to hurt anything, and Asia Player Association Yeah. And so what it came down to, uh, he Karate basically wrote this U. He said, the NFL can impose the suspension over Elliott at a later time if the defendant's counterclaim for vacator is denied, meaning you can't go to trial,

then you can start the suspension. In contrast, without a t ro, mister Elliott stands to suffer significant harm to his career and reputation that can't be monetarily compensated, should defend it when the counter claim for vacator on balance, the defendants harpship substantially outweighs the plaintiffs. So basically what he's saying is Zeke, Zeke can suffer irreparable harm if he doesn't have a tro to see if they're going to allow this lawsuit, the league is not gonna suffer anything.

And the judge points out in the Brady case that basically he went through the whole season and it was no hardship to the NFL because they can still suspend him the next year as they did, right. So basically that was the point that the NFL is trying to act like they're going to be harmed if he's not immediately suspended. Well, and they know better. And I told him,

I said earlier, Brian. Sorry, the PA turned this back on them recently and said, well, hey, you let him play Week one even with this hanging over his head, then you didn't suffer repartable harm then, right, So exactly that's been a PA argument at that and and Brady. So the other point was the inherent fairness in the arbitration. This is and this is the point. And the NFL saying, well, you know, we established this in the Brady case, that you can't argue an arbitration and this guy said, oh

hold on there, yes, not so fast. And his deal was when when they brought that up, find my right paper, Well I got it because this is what he wrote when they basically said, Brady basically says you cannot do this. That's what the court said, and he wrote that is wrong. Brady two acknowledged the Second Circuit has never held that the requirement of fundamental fairness f fundamental fairness applies to

arbitration awards under the Labor Relations Act. Brady two, however, did not hold that court cannot review arbital decisions for fundamental fairness. Brady two did not decide that issue. We need not decide whether the free floating procedural fairness standard of the Labor Relation Act ought to be imported to review all arbitration conducts. So basically, what they're saying, just because it was okay for the Brady case doesn't mean that's the precedent that every arbitration case has to face.

Because we can't do anything. And so basically they're saying, there's three judges now that have said when I look at the arbitration, fundamental fairness did not occur. Yeah, and mers, Graves and Krate all decided, and that's where this is. I think it's gonna be in favor of Zeke. This is all about fundamental fairness, and if Zeke wins this case, this is going to be the the the standard in which other domestic violence cases are looked at by the league.

This is important. This is more than important about being six games suspension and Ezekiel Eliott. The league is fighting this right now because if they in fact lose this case, Ezekiel Eliott's case will be that standard I talked about, and there will also be some revision of what the Brady case was in that way, and you know, and that's that's now important to the league. It's it's not about Ezekiel Eliott anymore. It's about He's about going forward.

It's about going forward. This is not going to be the last case. Well, no, because you know I brought it up yesterday, the Jarvis Landry case. Someone had brought it up to my attention that it sounded very similar to the Ezekiel Elliott one. So I did some research on it and I do want to look just to be clear. But Jarvis Landry him himself that it was

bad grammar. But you know, I'm so confused right now, he was under investigator for domestic violence after he was accusative pushing his girlfriend, and he was found innocent in the courts. Right, He's still under investigation for the NFL by the league, right by the league. So you're right. It didn't go to court though, did it. No, it just got what innocent? They just didn't get tried, right All I'm saying, I'm sorry for the bad technicality. I'm

just saying that he's not being prosecuted. Yes, So the fact of the matter is brand You're right, this is going to affect his case. This is going to affect so many others man. Yeah, this is this is this is why the league is fighting because again you've got three judges that have lined up and the fourth judge she's got a shot to really put this thing to bed.

And if she does that, then again the league now is in trouble because they have president now of a case and every domestic violence case can go forward because of fundamental fairness. Was zeke was Ezekiel allowed out fundamental fairness or is he allowed of fair fairness in hearing his case? You know. And now it's about the accusers, you know, having to make the accusers as witnesses, bringing

them forward and all that. That could send a whole lot of other other problems that you might not get people to step forward and want to go through all that. So this is this is a very very important case. Again, I think it's bigger than the six Games it was. We're we focused on that for the future. It's for the future of what they want to do as far

as proceed going forward. If other cases like this become a part of the of what we've seen with the you know, with and what Walla tweeted out this morning was basically that, yeah, that what's at at stake here is ongoing domestic violence. Yes, because the NFL does not have the jurisdiction uh to subpoena the accus us, right, and if the judges are saying you, well, you should have to fight, then they've got a problem. And guess what to me? If that occurs, then basically the courts

are saying, hey, NFL, stay in your lane. You're trying to do something you don't shab purisdictional ability to adjudicate. Absolutely, you're trying to do more than what the court system's doing. That's right now. You can figure out if the ball's deflated right and enough air in that ball, or this guy has been suspended or kicked out of the game

for illegal hits, you can have arbitration on that. But what you're trying to arbitrate now is basically a legal thing, and you don't have the ability to be able to do it. Right there you go, So to me, that's what's at stake right now. Absolutely, because you can't keep doing this. They should have never got into the business of trying to do what the courts judge and jury. Yes,

you can't do that. They don't have the they don't have the power, and they don't have the ability and the investigative people that people in the legal system have to look at these cases. Take a deep breath. We're going to get through this well. Dicky's two minute, Mickey's two minute. Well, let's stay absolutely run a minute, quick little break here in the STWBC mortgage studio. We'll be right back. We'll get more into Ezekie Elliott and we've got to get into the forty nine or so. Stay tuned.

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digest in this situation. Now, now you have to ask a twenty two year old to focus on football, and I think you know a lot of people it's very easy to say, well, once you get on the field,

that's easy. But you know there are different things that are going around that are affecting this team because of this, and you know, brand that's what you've talked about as far as you know, you're different, not necessarily argument, but stance on taking the suspension because sure, I mean, and I'll just throw this out there, do you guys think that Dak and Ezekiel Elliott are seen together as much

as they wore last season? And I'm not saying outside of here, you know, are they able to associate as much. How is this being handled? How is this affecting the locker room? It's hard? Yeah, I would speak more to Zeke's perspective, Like you just said, Tay, what how tough is it for him to be sitting at home yesterday while the team is meeting and going through walkthrough and all that, and not knowing what your situation is and then have to turn around and switch gears and say,

all right, I'm playing this week. I wonder if after a while that takes a mental toll. Now, he probably would say otherwise, and I can't get in his head, but I mean he's a professional, yeah, and you know, Garrett has given him a lot of credit for the approach hasn't changed. But I just wonder after a while if it's just like it just kind of wears on you a little bit. Yeah. Well, Garrett's message today was control what you can control, and I think that's true,

especially here. You know, they really don't have power to do much. They're just kind of at them or see of whatever happens week by week. But you know this, I mean, if I'm Darren McFadden, it's like am I playing this week? Are you playing? This week. Who's here? You know, is he even allowed to be here. It's more of a taxing strain than I think people are

really focusing on because you know, make it. You're right if it does get pushed back, and just like the Tom Brady case, and that can get handled in the off season, that makes a huge difference the entire team, right, you know, if that can be handled in the off season compared to right now, huge difference now yet to be seen. But he will be playing this week, will travel on the road to San Francisco. So I think the benefit is he didn't miss a practice, because we

talked about that yesterday. If he'd missed a week of practice and then he's all of a sudden he's eligible, then what do you do from a game planning standpoint, But to have him miss a meeting. I don't think it's that big a deal that they're getting into the meat of their preparation now. So that's good for this week anyway it is, So let's get into this week. Sean Lee back at practice a site for sore eyes

after he's missed two games with the hamstring injury. We didn't get to see much, but what was at what were you guys able to see a little bit or think that he's going to get work in today? Your thought there, Oh, I think he goes right back to where he was doing and you know before practice he would work on the chords, make sure that hamstring was stretched out and warm, and it's time to go. Yeah, I don't think they really you know, he's like you said, Tay,

he's missed a couple of games. They need him to they need him to come back. There's I mean, that's that's an understatement what I just said. But you know him and then also Hitchens. You know, I asked Jason Garrett thought in the walk off today about run defense. You know he says, Hey, it's just not one thing. You know, they talk about fits, they talk about you know, technique, they talk about, you know, playing assignments. There's so many things that have they have gone on in this run defense.

And you know that's the great thing about the bye week. You're able to identify, you know, hey, are we coaching it the right way? Are we teaching it the right way? Are we are the players getting the message? Are they they are they doing what we are asking them to do. There's so many things when you're having those issues, you know, and and they realize. I mean, his answer to to us in the media was I thought was very good. He said, hey, you're not gonna light my answer, but

I thought it was a good answer. You know, he's talking about all the things that you need to be good at and run defense, and they've struggled with that. You know, it's it's not just hey, the defensive tackles or the defensive ends, or the safeties or the linebackers. But having Sean Lee back with Anti Hitchens, you know, taking Jalen Smith out of the mix at least where he has to play a full time role, I think

will help. But overall, you know, again it's gonna be about it's gonna be about assignments, it's gonna be about execution, and then you know, it's gonna be about finishing. And if they do all those things, we've seen them, Jason Garrett said this, we've seen we've played some good run defensive times. We've been able to coach that we show that we take that example and that hey, this is our teaching, this is how we do it. And you know, so the players have to not that they have to

buy into that. They just have to do a better job of doing what they're what they've shown on film occasionally at times this year, and it'll help. And he, I mean, he just kind of glossed over it having Sean Lee on the field. Yeah, let's not minimize that or forget how much they missed him. You know, I was reading a article this morning on Carolina with Luke

Keikley missing concussions. The veteran, the veteran safety that they just picked up from San Francisco, was it they like a ten twelve year veteran and he got He was talking about what Keekley on the field meant to the defense. How he goes when I got here, he goes. I went in the film room and I watched with him. I wanted to learn what he knows, because he knows everything, and he goes in. As much as I spent in there, I still got on the field and stad, god, how

did he know that? Elzabetha? Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh And and he was and made me think that's Sean Lee, right, And they missed that. And they got a bunch of pups. They don't have a veteran safety there to you know, to kind of say, Okay, now I can see what's coming. And so I think a lot of that stuff that that maybe Jason was talking about, is you got a little guidance from your veteran linebacker might help you get in the right gap or you know, do the right

thing where you're supposed to do it. I just think they missed him, and awfully, awfully, I'm not gonna say that's gonna settle everything because he obviously it's got against Denver. But I just think they've had so many moving parts in there, uh, that you finally got to get settled. And now it's like, okay, I think they're settled on Crawford plan right defensive end. Now it's like, okay, what do we do inside? We saw David Irving? Is he

better there? We talked about it yesterday. Is he better there? Or is he better at the three technique? Alan's at the one? Um? You know that that's what they're gonna have to settle and then how they do their rotation inside? Yeah? Absolutely, Man, So much to talk about todayellis what's going on with Tyren Smith not practicing today? Not to worry though, Well, to me, there's concerned just that and I know to some degree they're being cautious with him and trying to

rest him and make sure that back doesn't continue flaring up. Um. And you know, but he missed two games last year. I don't know how directly related it is to last year, but he missed some time in training camp. And just when you have a big guy with a back injury, it can be a chronic type deal. And so they've got to think about contingencies there. You got Chaz Green, you got Byron bell Um, but man, he's the key to that offensive line. In terms of the blindside, it

sounds like it's got to be something they can't fix. Yes, right, absolutely, and and and it sort of reminded me of, you know, the end of And I'm not trying to compareegment, Yeah, I'm being careful. Yeah, Yeah, what Troy had at the end, basically they couldn't fix, you know, Charles Tapper, whatever he had they couldn't fix. That they can't fix. So it's

something you have to manage. And I think that's what they're they're trying to do right now with him, to make sure that he's ready to play a game the best to his ability. Yeah, We've seen him take Wednesdays off me and even last year they started trying to manage things. I kind of thought when we saw the Green Bay week when they took him out, I'm thinking, Okay, this is just a day. And then it turned into Wednesday, Thursday,

and Friday. Then I was like, oh my gosh, this is not something that you just kind of say, oh, he's gonna be okay. But I believe Micky's right, and I with backs, you just don't know. You just don't know if he's gonna wake up, you know, one morning and say, man, I cannot you can't move, you know, And that's that's the problem that you're running into. You know, here's your all pro left tackle that you have to have.

I mean, you have to have this guy. And so you know, they're gonna do everything they can to try and manage through the season. And if it means not practice and annoyed playing games, I mean, that's gonna be a rough way to go for him. I mean, he isn't an All Pro and he knows how to play in these games, and but practice is important to him as well. And you know, if he can't do that and just playing the games. Well, you know, they're gonna

have to have somebody ready. They're gonna have to have whether it's Byron Bell or Chaz Green, somebody's gonna have to be ready at you know, just get as many reps as they can because you just don't know if if it's gonna make it through seventy five plays or you know, two three plays in, you're gonna be well, we have to go to the backup here. You've got You've got Cooper I think settled in it left guard. Yeah,

so that sounds like that's gonna be the deal. So the question is, yeah, I mean, is it better now for Chad's Okay, he can focus on being that swing tackle and that's the guy you go to if something happens with Tyrn. I don't. I don't know, because he played pretty well at left tackle in those two games last year and that's his natural position. Maybe it's a better way well against forty nine ers. Actually yeah, maybe

it's a better fit for him. Um, but again, you still want to see continuity and improvement in that interior situation, that left guard. So maybe with some bye week, maybe maybe Cooper can take ownership of that spot. So do you think Tyron Smith's condition had something to do with them deciding that Jonathan Cooper is the left guard. Yeah, I'm the more. Actually, you don't have to make two

moves possibly to solve one problem. Yeah, that's that's one of those questions you need to bump into somebody in the hallway here at the Star and kind of ask and see if if if that's the case. I don't I don't discount what you're saying there. It's like, hey, you know Chaz Green. You know, I know they felt like that he was one of the best five, but now it's I feel like it's, well, maybe his best position is is tackle, and so now let's keep him

fresh so if we need him. Now I'm again hearing things, seeing things, it looks like they're going to split time, I mean with Green and with with with Byron Bell at left tackle. So I don't think they're totally sold on saying, hey, it's Green's job if something happens, But you know, that's kind of where they're at right now. Man, did you guys think there would be this much uncertainty on the offensive line going into this season? I mean, yes, it you know, left guard and right tackle is pretty

much cemented with Lyle Collins. But the uncertainty there's just kind of continued and perpetuated throughout the season. Well, the injury, the back concern has has hurt and you know, and Mickey's brought this up before and he said, hey, they just need to play better. And you know, what we didn't project was that some of the guys that you've that are all pro players maybe aren't playing their absolute best right now. That's where we're spoiled a little bit.

I watched that game last to San Francisco game blocking was unbelievably good protection, you know, I mean they were running the football or big holes there, and so you're like thinking, man, where's that group? You know, But yeah, it's it's Doug Free and it's Ron Leary, and it's you know, it's but the guys like your your center and your your right guard. You need them to play

a little bit better. And you know that they're they're clearly capable of doing that, but they just haven't played very well as a group for the first five weeks this season. Yeah, well, before we get to our final break here in the SWUBC markets, you and let's go to the phone lines. We have our favorite friend of

the show, Philip from France. Please forgive me for for my broken English at times, as usually I'm going to be a bit long too many the listeners I would be called for to me, I couldn't interact live the last week because of duty. Because of duty, but I try to cut up on all the shows on the website. I wish I'll be able to make the trip down and tell us to attend the draft and maybe meet you. Be sure, I'll come down with some of the finest book on book on your French wines to share with you.

Sounds welcome, You're welcome anytime if you want to make that trip. You got a free pass to come to the Star now, yeah, thank you. Just one thing. The right pronunciation in French of the earring as it is in English is bone. The sea at the end is silent. Thank you, Philip, Yes, thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. For the history, it's a reminiance of the way the so called guilty had to face his judges who were sticking on a bench on a platform only during the

inclusion area. So I'm gonna runt a bit. Mickey he's played about about a play in the last forty nine game. What about the DPI on ground costs he where the Jets cornback got flagged for when the quarterback cornerback was just blanking him. And what about the blooded OPI where the that titan extending just his right arm and should have been called for for it and not getting flagged. Both plays are happening in the Jets end zone, the last one ling the scoring of the deciding Thready and Kitty.

And see what's when Tom went pets Tom Pitty. Yes that rest no flags whatsoever. I can't take care of the whole I can't take there of the whole league. I can take care of what's gonna possibly affect the Cowboys. There was a lot of things that went wrong from my couch on Sunday. Yeah, okay, just just what what I'm saying. Just in Europe, you know, when you play football, as soon as you start chelling at a ref on anything,

you're out of the You're out of the game. I mean, okay, now that being said, Um about Zeke, what's the precious gift you you got in your life? It's your name? You want to pass it to the next generation as cleaner as you got it. Sure, but the team's T shirt says fight right, So I say, go fight zeke ye. I'm sure all owner, cut, staff members, players, all people involved in the getdization and fans are having his back. Go fight for your rights, for your own name and

the right to pass it as clean as you got it. Now, I've got just two quick questions with all profoundly, and they say under estim underestimated and turning it is returning to the lineup. How do you envision the defense going forward? Second, I know it's early, but dress scudding already began. Okay, someone got you know it's it's very hard in France to follow college football. What are the best let's god prospect to watch that maybe that may be available for

the Cowboys in next year's rap. Thanks for taking my cold, being so patient with me and sharing your thoughts. Have a great day, Go Cowboys, Go Tigers, and the teaser and me say sorry, Mikey and Rubs, I don't know that these Alma mater Bye bye bye, Philip, you're a lobo, hey and Aggie and two Tigers bakers. Well, hey, remember those questions. We'll get to him. When we come back after our last break here in the SWBC Mortgage studio,

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There you go. Before we get to Philip's questions, let's get to your poll questions, Rob, because that was a good one that can talk a lot about getting ready for this game this weekend. Because yeah, there's there's a football game the Cowboys will be playing on Sunday. There is football. Football's back. And I just picked four names, four names for the Cowboys post by that could have an impact for the Cowboys down the stretch. Here Cheeto,

Bryce Butler, Jordan Lewis, Ryan Switzer. Which player do you think could have the biggest impact for the Cowboys after the buy would I have two on defense, one on offense and special team slash receiver? Guy? Who do you guys think? Wow? Switzer, Awoosier, Lewis fourth guy? I'm sorry Butler Butler, Yeah, h got a vote, anybody? Lewis Jordan Lewis wifty eight percent of the vote, followed by Bryce

Butler at twenty percent. You wonder maybe could he be earning some more snaps offensively after the way he's played? So Switzer got really nothing. Then Woozier fourteen percent. Again he's been injured. Switzer eight percent. You know, he's a guy. How do you get him on the field unless you're taking Jason Witton off the field. And there is that so but punt returns fuel position. Switzer could cause people to punt maybe more often. There you go, that's about that.

That's the trick, right, I'm telling you what if they off if they had if they had Switzer last year with the way the defense was playing, getting off the field on third downs and and you know, keeping people, you know, not giving up big plays and not getting gashed on the run. Ryan Switzer would be the guy that has fifty eight percent. I'm serious, he could be. You know, Okay, we got the fumble, you got the fumble punt, that's that happened. But I look back, look

at the way that Arizona game win. You know, once Arizona had to start punting, you know, Chris Jones was punting, you know, punting Dallas out of trouble. But Switzer was making Arizona have to pay for their their bad punty. That twenty one yard return he had in the first half against Arizona's one of might be one of the biggest plays in the of the year if it turns out, because he finally got them in a short field, broke the ice. That offense couldn't get anything going in Arizona

and it was a huge field position play for them. No, it absolutely was. And I felt like, though, with you know, only eight percent, there's that if if they if if Mickey is absolutely right, punt Moore and all of a sudden, Ryan Switzer becomes a difference maker. And I guarantee this folks out there, oh yeah, broad at Sea's out there difference maker for you know, fumbling the ball and but no he he has that kind of ability to flip

the field for you. I think it has something to do with the fact that offensively, he's probably not going to see many snaps. He's gotten some jet sweeps. They've tried to get him going in the running game, but as a receiver, you know there's only so many balls

to go around. Well, if if you didn't have Ezekiel Elliott playing in this game, then it then it becomes okay, the running backs we all talked about and maybe adding some jet sweeps, tosses, whatever you want to do to Ryan Switzer to try and the kids is a dynamic player with the ball in his hands. Yeah, I'll tell you another one too. And it's a shame that a Woozier has been hurt. It's a shame because you watch him in the Green Bay game at safety. He looked

pretty comfortable playing and that in that spot. Yeah, and you watch him from the middle of the field run to get the outside to make a tack making time, you know that that's what you want to see. Lewis has been. Lewis is easy for me. Lewis is easy to see because you see him making plays, which is great, but Butler, you know, finishing some plays. Maybe you're right, maybe he does get some more work over what we've seen with Terrence Williams finishing plays. That's what he wants

to keep doing. I forget how many yards plays of twenty plus yards he's gotten. But it's so important because it tries to back off for this running game. A little bit helps it helps it at a great deal. Mickey's got his pen out going to the stats. What are you looking at over there? Well? I didn't count up how many possessions they had, like drives, right, but I did count out the number of possessions that started

at least at their own forty yard line. Six. Yeah, Yeah, there's got to be ten twenty thirty forty fifty eight drives at least, and only six were the forty or beyond. Yeah. I mean you're starting in the hole all the time. They are starting in the whole lot. And as a matter of fact, only one of those six occurred in the last two games. Here's the starting positions, uh in the Rams game twenty nineteen, twenty five, twenty five, fourteen,

twenty five, twenty five, twenty one, twenty five, twenty five. Wow. Well, San Francisco has got a field position weapon too. Their punter's got the most puns inside the twenty in the NFL right now, Chris Jones more than Chris Jones. Well he's played one extra game. A yeah, exactly. I just think that to me that all those people that you named have a shot. I mean, they really do. That's a that's a great pole question because every you know, with the exception maybe a Woozier, you know, he's he's

It's just it wasn't a full on pole. I mean they had fatigue, you know, and it tightened up on him and so it might as well been pulled because he's not not playing. But you know, he's another guy that's got some size to him that can cover. You know, he just can't get on the field or stay on the field. I think the answer to part that pole is who's going to get the opportunity to make a big difference? Yeah, and I think it's Jordan Lewis because we know he is on the Nickel defense right now.

He does he's play there, playing so much Nickel lately, he's learned, he's earned his letter. Jackie's out there. Yeah. Uh, Bryce Butler's gonna split those snaps with Terence Williams the way they've been. Everybody says, well, can he get more? Well, he has gotten more, right there, they they're kind of

splitting him. Yeah, But the punt return job is Switzers And if Cheeto can stay healthy, I think he can work his way into a rotation at safety with but whoever, but the punt returner, it's not all on him, right, It don't hold anybody up. He can't do anything that's fair, you know. And they haven't done a good job of blocking for him, no, So I mean he's not a

magician out. Yeah. It just reminds me so much of when we had Desmond Howard returning punts in Green Bay that if you get a dynamic guy that can shows that he can bring the ball back twelve fifteen, seventeen yards every time, and you might break that occasional one, the blocking approve improves. Like the guy doesn't want to be the guy. Oh my god, I missed the block that you know, if we just got that one block,

it would have been a touchdown. You don't want to be that guy sometimes, like the fumble I think really affected Switzer. And here I'm talking a lot about Switzer here, but I think the fumble really affected his Like, Okay, I've got secure. You know that aggressiveness that you want. You need to get him back being aggressive again. And the way you do that is you got to get

him started. Get him started, get him started with the ball in his hands, instead of him having to sit there and look at the ball and look at two guys, avoid somebody on him and immediately have to avoid somebody. Right, Just give him a couple steps to he can find because he will see it. Yeah, but man, you gotta get him going. Yeah, what a great pole today, Rob, thanks to day. It's very good and just Dan's are really quickly. Brian Philly passed. You know where can people

start their draft scouting? Yeah? They can't get a lot of Yeah. Dane Brugler was talking about there's a kid at Notre Dame and the name escapes me right now, left guard. There's a guard at Notre Dame. Yeah, a guard at Notre Dame that people are looking at as a high I don't think you know that. I think he was looking more for resources, like where he can go. Maybe Dane Brugler is the oh no, yeah, yeah, following

Dane and all. That's good. I mean, you know, he's the one guy that talks about the draft every single day and then he and then he talks about players to watch and stuff like that. But yeah, but his left guard is evidently from name it. I can't remember the kid's name, but I know it was from Notre Dame. So maybe Philip can check out Notre dames roster left guard. They're not going to draft a true guard high. How do you know it ain't gonna happen? How do you

know Zach Martin Martin. I've got twenty nine years of that, Zach Martin over Johnny Man. And that's why. Yeah, exactly, they already did it once I think, And when was the other time they did it? First round? Guard was John nil in a first round? I don't know if he was first round, but yeah, that's that's going back. It's a second round maybe Larry Allen, right, but they

saw that he was a Hall of Fame player. Robin Iard hockey before the podcast and we were saying, you know, it's a shame that there aren't players in college football right now that kind of have the effect of Johnny Manzil and the way that he was able to be bigger than college football because that draft, if that draft had been hosted here at AT and T, and Steven

basically having to restrain Jerry was on the clock. I don't know if Jerry could have done it, because what Mickey just told you, They're gonna have to hold him back from even going down a tadium. Now you got a chance to draft John. Isn't that the chaisier draft? Though? Didn't they weren't the draft Chaser one or two pick? Yeah, Blackbird told me they had the card filled out. It was before. Yeah, they had Chaser's name on a card.

It was done and r and they were getting ready to hand it in and and they took him and Robert had to go give me that back, which which debunked the story that they had to strap Jerry down from handing in a card to Man's el. We're watching it on the on the cam, sure war cam, and that wasn't the case. Even did tell me it's a wonderful fast draft that they were very interested in johnny Man's ane, but they weren't running up there with the card and had to Jerry sit out put that card away.

The technicalities that Nicky lives out, but I know kind of brushed them on his way because he said that, you know, they're gonna have to hold back Jerry. I'm gonna physically watch Jerry in the war room. They should you learn a lot, see it. Make sure that we're looking at that you learn a lot. We got a Twitter question specifically aimed at you, Brian, but you guys answer too. What does Brian mean when he says a linebacker is quote unquote physical. Which of our linebackers are

physical and which aren't? Yeah, Brian, Yeah, the physical linema like Sean Lee to me is a physical linebacker because what he But he's also a fast flow linebacker because how will the physicality of it is the tackling part, getting to the ball, getting off blocks. You know, you can't allow yourself as a linebacker to get blocked, especially

in this scheme. So you know, I think if there's some some times that we've seen Jalen Smith be physical at the point of attack during during training camp and then some of the preseason games, you know, stepping up in the whole, be physical, take on a block, get rid of the block, and then make the play right there. In the hole, you know those You know, sometimes you get linebackers that will just run and don't want anything

to do with any type of content. They just want to run to the ball and then you know, and be athletic enough to beat you to get there and make the play. But I think the linebackers, like I say, I don't necessarily think that. I'm trying to think of the linebackers that really don't well, dam Damien Wilson to me, doesn't really want to take you on. Even though he plays sam linebacker. He wants to run to the ball.

That's his big thing. So you know, you look at guys like Jalen, you look at Wilburt, you know, guys that are willing to use their hands, play with their hands and then get That's that's what makes Sean Lee so good in the scheme is the fact that they got him at that will linebacker, that he's so quick too when they try to get him, he just he's just so grabb and go I mean, and instead of fighting and then having to reach to try and go make a play, physical physical jam, get off and then

get to the football. You should have been able to answer that question. What about physical linebackers. Yeah. I just love it when fans just say this one's for Brian. You should you you grew that watching one, didn't you? Yeah, Brian or Locker for sure. There's there's your physical line. It's a physical linebacker. That's a that's a take on shed and then then get to the ball tackle finish his finest. I was gonna say Dick Buckers, but then

it's Illinois. People don't know who Dick buccas is. Probably know is Oh Ray good old Ray was great in his day. What's up Ray? No? I think that's grad. See, they don't study the game, don't play for you? Who Rayny played for? Mony chance? Yeah, put me on the spot, Ran, I'm just gonna ask ask Rob to Rob green Bay, green Bay very good. I thought you were gonna watch the other day. I thought you were gonna guess. I really didn't think. I didn't mean to put but I

thought you were just gonna guess. Yeah, Tommy John underwear the best that you guys can get right in here. Yea the greatest. But I mean nobus, I mean, let's just start naming all these Atlanta's over my head. The only thing I'm excited about is that story? Nine? There you go, and I'm not excited about this, but it's just it is what it is. Eric Armstead won't be playing for them as well. Yeah, pensive end. That's a big loss for them. Bone in his hand, Yeah, that

is a big loss. Moving and I are yeah, he's officially moving. He's played very well. You watch the tape that that that San Francisco has and number ninety one there he has done a really good job, you know, with a scheme change and things like that. Though, but I really, uh man, I'll tell you why that's a tough one for them because you know that's that's one of those down linement, you know, that's the way it goes. He's back up. Aaron Lynch also hurt calf strain, So

they're they're dealing with some struggling. They're not. It helps that you can just work Elvis Duomerville into the well too. I know that we're getting to the forty nine almost there at the very getting there of the show, and we're gonna have to stay tuned for more of that tomorrow and Friday because we are out of time. Nine. Hopefully there are no major NFL announcements between now and then, so join us. Then we'll keep you up to date.

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