Talkin' Cowboys: Most Competitive Spots?

welcome to another edition of Talking Cowboys. Along with Brian brought us And I wonder if Brian would love to be a baseball scout with the draft going on, and what would it How different would it be if the NFL could draft high school players? So I don't know how different. I guarantee you there'll be a lot more missus in the first round than they are right now. But this is the third week of OTA's Maybe Bo Jackson, herschel Walker high school players that you would consider. Sure,

somebody else's Lebron James. He could have done it. Yeah, you gotta have a guy who didn't he physically mature. I mean he could have could have played tight ensny football. I was seeing any NBA. Yeah, that's like, Yeah, he's already. I'm trying to think of eighteen year old guys that are like they're men already. And that's why schel Walker,

that's why that rules in place. In college football, it would be the biggest disaster, just like the NBA Draft when you have children trying to play a man's game, even more so in football though. And yes, and if you look at the history of this baseball draft, it's a pretty much a disaster in the first round because you really don't know what how to project easy and a shout out to Bobby Witt Junior, who is the second pick of the draft from right here locally, Colleyville

Heritage High School. And there's a kid that has all the intangibles you're looking for, but he needs to fill out a little bit before he'll be ready. Even on the baseball he've watched the Royals play. He'll be a differ before you know it's right. And as we get started, here a throwback to a Cowboys draft pick from twenty seven years ago, as the Texas Rangers drafted a player from Texas Tech. Do you remember and can you what can you tell me Mickey about Donald Harris? He was

an outfielder he was an outfielder. He was a first round draft pick of the Texas Rangers thirty years ago, in nineteen eighty nine, he was the fifth overall pick. He also played football at Texas Tech and in nineteen ninety two, I guess when he became football draft eligible. Three years later, he was a twelfth round draft pick

of the Cowboys. And he was actually playing Major League Baseball with the Rangers in the nineteen ninety two season and elected to quit playing baseball and signed with the Cowboys and came to training camp in Austin, Texas, and Jimmy Johnson cut him three weeks later, and he's back playing baseball. It didn't work out so well, did it? Something? Yeah, I have something to fall back on. He had baseball. They tried turning him into a safe well and he

was a really good safety Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah, he was like Tech playing defense. That's right. Yeah, that's right that when Spike dis was coaching him there, Spike, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cowboys have such a cool draft history. On that note, when you go back to when there were more rounds and like texts and those guys would just take a chance on guys, you know, Pat Riley. Yep, Carl Lewis. You know, Okay, you're looking for traits. Why not, this guy's an athlete. Let's see what we can what we

can do. He wanted to draft Nancy Lieberman the one year had the commissioner went and let him are serious? Yes, whenever she was coming out of old dominion. So he so he they spent the draft pick on Carl Lewis us instead. Yeah, another olympian. Yeah, that's right. But anyway, we are now let's see, let's do the math on it.

As we It is June fourth, and we are in the third week of OTA's and so there are seven OTA practices down, number eight going on this morning as we speak, number nine tomorrow on Wednesday, and then they got Cowboys Youth Thursday, and the three day minicamp next week.

It's it's flying by. It is flying by, and you know, but the good thing about it is that that the young kids who were drafted, the undrafted guys, the guys that they brought in that you know, that they signed during the springtime, these practices and talking to some folks, you know, we've we've seen a few of the practices ourselves, but talking to some folks about that. Guys are really becoming acclimated to what's going on. They're learning how to practice.

Some guys are getting involved. I've been asking about Triston Hill. Triston Hill yesterday is talking some folks. Actually got some reps with the first team defense playing as the no tackle, so him and Malie Collins were able to do a little work together. So it's good to see that they're starting to get more of these guys, or they're going to get these young guys involved and give him a little look here during these OTAs and say, you know, hey, let's see him go up in weight class a little bit.

I was kind of talking about whys the defensive tackle, and you know, when you watch him play at the level that he's playing at, he's pretty good against the guys that these young offensive line in the guards, the centers, you know, McGovern and those kind of guys. So I just kind of hopefully that maybe, yeah, maybe on Wednesday they elevate him up, let him you know, like we saw the human Law. He got some opportunity last year during training camp practice to get some work with the ones,

and next thing you know, he's playing. So you know, I'm I'm all for that if they throw as many of those guys out there at this time period and let them, you know, get them up in weight class a little bit, let him to see him move around, get a feel for what it's like to go against Zack Martin a couple of times, get their nose bloodied, and they'll have a better feel for how to compete when they get the pads on the summer. Yeah, because

you know what, they know what Daniel Ross is. Yeah, and he's been here, so you might as well put Hill in there instead of waisting snaps on on Ross's while Woods is out. Yeah, Um, might as well. You know, see if he is that versatile to play both absolutely and absolutely you know when you when they go to Nickel, you're not gonna have a one technique in there, you know. Put a guy in there that can rush the quarterback. Yeah.

Third week is the time to do it, though, instead of, you know, that first couple of weeks, because as Brian said, they are so far behind when you think about it, I mean they literally get a crash course of a couple walkthroughs in the mini camp rookie mini camp, and then oh, here are the vets. Yeah, here's here's practice. Here's how we practice, and you've got to figure it

out really on the fly. And I'm sure those first two weeks, you know, talking to those guys, I mean, they talk a good game, but you know their head is spinning. You know, it's spinning. Another guy, it's getting an opportunity to just talk to some folks. Is to Michael Jackson the corner from the University of Miami. They're they're playing him on the outside. They're also playing him

on the slot. You know, with with uh with Byron Jones being out, you know, they've had a couple of guys that they've exactly so they're throwing these guys in there and letting them participate. And it's good if you know, if Michael Jackson can match up and and cover Randall Cobb and carry him all over the field a little bit,

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. He's gonna there's gonna be some times where he's gonna look terrible, but there's other times that maybe he'll make a play or two and then it's like, oh wow, I just covered a Super Bowl champ wide receiver out here, and I didn't it wasn't embarrassed, So you know, I'm all for that if they can, if they can just allow these guys the opportunity to learn to grow to physically, you know, and they're gonna make mistakes. I tell you

where I've really been impressed on the Wednesday practices. It seems like every Wednesday practice one of the young guys steps up at the running back spot and makes a blitz pick up, you know, and you're thinking, like, as we are putting in these this uh, this scheme, uh these plays, you know that you gotta know who you're gonna block. And if you don't block the wrong guy, if you block the wrong guy, then you're gonna get somebody killed, and you're gonna then you're not gonna be

on the field anymore. So if they keep picking up the right guys, that's you know. I think that Gary Brown can can teach them to be willing to stick their nose in their place square and and kind of fight a guy off. But they have to know what they're doing. And I've seen that on Wednesdays and those are types of things that are encouraging to me. Well, last week it was Webber that stepped up yeah, because

they threw they they gotta they gotta. Cooper rushed through a touchdown down the right sidelines to John Vay Johnson. There's another guy that people are really ago. Bill daughter will be proud of that dad joke there. But the and thanks for listening. Man. The the uh my daughter is called may the uh. But the the I think the thing with you know this is, you know, with the wide receivers, we've talked about Cobb and then you know, and then Gallop and what those guys have been able

to do. And but John by Johnson, when you're getting your tray of food at lunch, people are like, you know, John by Johnson, interesting guy. You know, it's a lot

more of a buzz about him. Not that Jalen Guiton is not doing, but as far as just guys that they just as wide receivers, Cob, john by Johnson, You're like, what you know, yeah, kind about John by Johnson when you look at his numbers at Toledo and there were three guys that were well, two guys that were drafted and then John by Johnson undrafted out of Toledo wide receivers this year. And but this guy, he had one hundred twenty five catches in his career at Toledo. Twenty

five touchdowns. Right, he was going touchdowns every fifth time he touched the football at Toledo. You know why. He ran a four three eight four running four three eighth. That's right, very good, Vicky, you did your homework. I'll tell you what long time ago. He catches the ball well. I mean you could see, you know when you talk about young receivers and stuff and how they adapt to the pro of football, and I'll tell you what, there's some there's some balls that have been thrown high. He's

made nice adjustments too. I think there's some stuff low across the middle. He's had to like put his hands underneath to catch it in run. But Mickey's right, once you get the ball in his hands, you see him get up the field and that and that part of it has been impressive. And the other guy that's run that well has been guiting. And Sanjay Law really likes him. Yeah, he yeah, he likes John Vay Johnson too a lot. And he's very explosive and he carries himself almost like

a vet. You know, he's like Brian mentioned train table. We see him kind of walk around. He seems like a mature guy, and I don't know if it's his pedigree. His dad was in the NFL. Dad played in the NFL. He just he just carries himself. And I know it's early,

but like it's not too big for him. He's a guy really to watch as this thing unfolds, because, as Brian's has said, there's a lot of veteran receivers on this team, but there's a lot of young talent at receiver too, and it's to be really interesting to see how this thing shakes out. I talked to U Cedric Wilson as well recently, and that's another guy that you can almost look at him as a rookie. Uh absolute nobody forgets about him. This is a guy that can

play inside outside for you. But it's a lot of competition and not everybody's gonna make, you know, one of those five or six spots. Yeah, what do you think the hardest position going into camp is going to be

for somebody a young guy to make this team? The hardest position, the hardest position for a young guy to make the for make the roster, well, offensive line, defensive line, Thinking about those undrafted guys I'm thinking about player, Yeah, I'm thinking about I'm thinking I'm thinking about guys like you know, Jackson, the defensive end from Miami. I'm thinking

about guys that they picked, you know, fifth sixth round guy. Yeah, which also leads me to think those are our hard positions for veterans to make, veterans that make a lot of money. Yeah, no, no, that's rob it. You guys are right, because this is I look at wide receivers might be the one position where even if you're a veteran guy, you might not make this team. I've kind of got Alan Hearns Pennsylvana in my mind, just in case something happens to, you know, with Gallup or a Cooper.

But I think you could probably play Cobb. But I don't know if you want to play Cobb on one of those those other those starting positions, if you got him playing in the slow especially if you're playing a lot of eleven personnel stuff. So I'm kind of thinking though that maybe Hearns, But then okay, they carry five, they carry six. I mean it might be really difficult for one of those, you know, I don't think like guys like Noah Brown, Lance Lenore a lot of competition,

Devin Smith, I mean Tavon Austin. Yeah, there's a lot of guys that are in that mode right now where it's it's going to be. If they depending on where the numbers fall, I don't see how they carry seven or something like that, ridiculous. I think they if they have to carry five, if they carry six, I understand. If they carry five, it's because they had other positions that they felt even better about. And herns at a

five million dollars cellary. That's true. But also but he, like I said, he they they they feel comfortable that he could be a starter. See that's something about is you don't want to sit there and go completely young on the back end and then all of a sudden have to start. There's a young guy that wants down. Yeah, at least at least hearns, you know, he can go out there. He can make two or three catches a game, get you twenty five thirty yards maybe, and he can

first down yeah, and play anywhere too, exactly. If anybody gets hurt, he can step in. He can help you in the slot too. That's a comfort level for a coaching stat That's why you don't have to. You can wait all the way to the end of training camp and see where you are health wise on right and a lot of these decisions. And the good thing about

hearns now he's running pretty well. Yeah, I mean they haven't put him out there in the in the practices, but uh, doing his rehab work, you wouldn't know that he went through the injury he went through in that playoff game. Yeah, you know, I just that's that's a that's a position it's definitely worth keep keeping an eye on because that I just feel like that maybe that's a veteran group that's gonna lose some guys because the talent behind it. His team. We talk about Johnson, we

talked about Gayton. If I had to bet my money right now on a guy that would make the team, I think it would be John Bay Johnson out of that, I mean, it's just just what I'm kind of You've talked about the way the guys carried himself, some of the plays he's made. He looks comfortable catching the ball, you know. But that's not to say that Gaydon you can't step up and train. It's just so hell, you got to wait. Yeah, those rookie those wide receivers, they

they hit a wall during camp. You could see it because they're running so much. I mean, remember how much Lance Lenora and pressed it. Oh, no question when the lights came on, no questions, Trunk, Absolutely, But you're right about Gaydon. He wears eighty three and I'm not comparing him to Terry Glenn, but I had a glimpse of him at number eighty three because of his speed and how quick he gets off the line of scrimmage, and

he's an impressive town. Here's the other thing to consider when you're comparing like a John Vay Johnson to a Jalen guyden Is John v Johnson is two years older than Jalen Gaiden. I mean, when you're talking about how a guy it seems a lot more maturer and carries himself and that sort of thing. Not to say Gaydon doesn't, but I think when you look at it, you I mean, their birth dates are two weeks apart, and Gayton's two years younger than Johnson is. I didn't know that that's interesting.

And Johnson has you know you mentioned his dad, Well, his cousin got drafted in the second round. He was a cornerback out of Kentucky. So there's some NFL jeans they're running through that family. But because of those guys' ability to run and because Sanjay Law loves speed, that they're going to get an opportunity and the rest of those guys better beware. Have you guys paid attention to the offensive line very much on how the backups have

been playing? Have you? Have you? I have you try to pick up on what they're doing with McGovern right guard that right he's been playing, but really both guards. Then he did some centers. He had his hand on the ball like with the third team. May see, that's what I'm saying. They haven't thrown McGovern in there. It's still it's still Sue Philo, it's still redmand. You know, they haven't thrown mcgoverned. Now. I guess they threw Connor Williams in there last year because they had to throw

Connor Williams in there last year. But this offensive line has kind of had a tradition or history since I've been back over here of just taking that first round guy or the secondround and throwing them in there and letting them kind of learn and be that guy I haven't noticed him doing that with McGovern yet. I haven't seen McGovern being the guy that Okay, he's running with it. He's he's the he's the first left guard or you know, or he's or they're given they're given Martin a break,

they're take you know, he's the second right guard. I haven't seen them take him. Like Mickey said, it's been kind of like those third team reps. Yeah, you know, at the deference to the veteran thing. I like this point because Redman they liked him. Oh no, no, I'm just saying that they had him at center behind Looney. Yeah. No, I it's been Looney's been the backup center. I mean, well he's been the starter at center. But I mean I'm just trying to think about I've seen so many

times so they've just taken that. You know, we're gonna take that offensive lineman. Just throw him in there and let him and let him go. I haven't watched every rep, but I don't I think I've seen him in the first team. I've seen the second team guard. Um. But to Mickey's point, Govern, yeah, but to Mickey's point, you know, you got Darius Jackson running second team running back ahead of Tony Pollard and and that'll probably change as we

go along. But Jackson doesn't look bad. He doesn't look especially if he would have held out into the ball on that one that he jetted up the middle. Yeah, he's quick. He looks a lot quicker than he did. Oh he does. But I'm just saying, at some point, you know you're gonna give the kind of chances. Yeah, so, um, it's early, it's early. Hey, let's be here before you need to go. Let's go to the phone lines. Let's like some calls this week eight eight, eight, five, two

two nine seven. We've got Philip and France, who's been a holding Philip has talking cowboys. Yeah it's Philip. Hello, guys, how you doing. How's the French open going? Yeah it's great. So just Brian, you with Dane, and they've taught me how to love the draft season. Well, thank you, thank you very much for that. Too bad, too bad we lost Dave on the draft. But I guess it's good for him absolutely. I just hope he'll continue to sell his monster every day. Okay, we will thet the Beast. Yeah.

My question is more for Mickey the law and money man on the crew, how the new CBA coming up in a couple of years do affect the long term contort such as four dag Zeke and Murray Byron and jal and men. So one, enjoy your days off before going to oxnerd and thanks for taking Michael, Thank you for listening. Man. So you have to be careful because the thirty percent rules going to take effect with the contracts going from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one to

twenty twenty two because of the expiring CBA. So from a base salary standpoint, you can't try loading a whole bunch in a base salary in twenty twenty because if you get to twenty twenty one, there has to be a thirty percent increase. So they're making sure no one's stuffing money into the final year the CBA and then the next base salary and I'm talking about paragraph five goes down, that's gonna have to go up thirty percent.

So that's one way that's going to affect how those how those salaries are structured, especially from a base salary standpoint. Did the Cowboys figure out something with Miles Austin and when they did that yeah, they did because they and the league got caught with egg on their face. Well because it was an uncapped year, right, but this time it's going to be capped. Okay, so going into twenty

something out. But they did because it was an uncapped year, and they stuffed a whole bunch of money into that first year, and the league says, oh, no, you can't do that, and it's like, well why not. So I guess it was a gentleman's agreement between the owners that they wouldn't try to exploit the uncapped year, and they slapped the hands of the Cowboys and the Redskins. That's right. Was the Redskins was even more. I think the Redskins was like twenty Yeah, there was ten million dollars off

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us was with the Packers. There was another young US player I think she was seventeen or eighteen in the quarterfinals today. Okay, so there it is an Anistamova. I think that's how you pronounce it, boys. She was born in New Jersey. Okay, are you playing tennisse these days? Mickey? Back to it. Hank Caney got in trouble for pronouncing a virch of ladies names. I'm kind of avoiding all that. Okay, we continue now here on talking count up. That is

your French Open update. No tell her what Mickey's gonna update us next segment on I'll google for later. I'll look it up. Yeah, look up, look up Pancaney. Okay, US Women's Open. Yeah, um, okay, moving on quickly. Interesting, Tristan Hill is getting reps with the first team he is from what I was told, Yes, all right, let's take you back a couple of weeks and when Gerald McCoy first came on the market and we went around the table, would you be interested at a certain price

for Gerald McCoy on this Cowboys team? What did we max out at? Said? Eight million? Right, what he signed for and ten to get to and incentives get you to ten and a half. So would you do five? Would you do? Yeah? Mickey maxed out at five. Would you do the contract that he got with Carolina, which is eight guaranteed or reportedly eight guaranteed with incentives to ten ten and a half on a one year deal. On a one year deal. Yeah, probably I probably would

have done that. I think I would have too. I know I would have. Well, it is not my money. Did he did? Did he take less money to go to Carolina? By the way, is that the story that he took less money so he could play It wasn't. It wasn't a lot less Cleveland, Baltimore and Carol. Yea. I think Baltimore off the other places, Baltimore offered him a pretty good chunk of money, and I think maybe he said, okay, well I'm gonna play Tampa twice a year.

And there's some story you know. It was it Rick Stroud Mickey, who's the writer for the Tampa Pete Saint Pete paper. Rick evidently has a relationship with with McCoy, and so he was he was kind of off the record talking to him, and then on the record talking to him. It sounded like that it really disappointed McCoy that his number ninety three got gave a way to uh Dominican sue, and so he was like, you know, okay, I'm gonna play him twice you know, I'm gonna get

to see you know. So it sounded like the Fortunately for him, he doesn't have to play against Sue twice. No, no, but but but him his situation, he was he was thinking in and Bruce Arian said some things that like stuffing about him not fitting anymore in Tampa, and so he took what three visits Baltimore, Cleveland, Carolina, Arolina. Right, you know, maybe the Cowboys know something we don't. We just talked about Tristan Hill getting those reps and and

maybe this guy can develop quickly. What we were trying to do is we were trying to think if they weren't going to do anything with MALIEK. Collins, if if the end of the rope for MALIEK. Collins. And if you've noticed, if you watch MALIEK. Collins practice, he practices with a little bit more zip. And it might be a little bit more zip because the second round pick was a defensive tackle that plays as an under tackle

as well. Yeah. Yeah, he's going into the final year of his contract and when he's when he is healthy and he's played hurt a lot, that's one that's almost like an asterisk by some of his stats. Because he's played with foot stuff and I don't know what else he's had a couple of he's always had a third phase. Want to actually, I think it's been three Yeah, he has. I was standing there. I was standing with the bags when he went around him one time and got hurt.

Like an offseason workouts or something. He has potential to be a disruptive guy in the middle. Yeah, it is it. Mickey's right. It is a health thing for him. I don't think it has anything to do with if McCoy can play or not. It's ten million dollars, which, by the way, he took three million less than what he was supposed to make him thirteen. By the way, Tama,

that's a that's a good contract for him, though. If that's what you're gonna do, nothing right, If you're gonna get three million dollars less, my guy and you and you're on a better team. I feel like you're on a better team roster wise. But you feel like the Cowboys.

Would you think it was strictly because of the money, the Cowboys wouldn't be interested in him, or do you think what they've done in this offseason shoring up the defensive line with the numbers they have with Tristan Hill a second round pick, they just decided that was the route they needed to go. Do they have they paid? They paid a three technique in this this era with the Rod Marinelli yet not that I can recall. If you consider, okay, what did you consider Crawford. That's going

to be careful. That made Crawford was supposed to be. Yeah, he was supposed to be a three technique. Actually, yes, he still has his base this year seven million now he and now he dabbles in both spots. So maybe that was their way of saying, Okay, we're gonna pay an undertackle here. Well, they didn't pay Jason Um, we've seen that face before, Darren, Well, you go a way back here led to Cotcher. Hatcher. Hatcher. Yeah, I blanked out.

I was thinking Jason Phillips for some reason. Yeah, they didn't. They let him walk. Yeah, and that was after that was thirteen sack season. Yeah, sure did so. Yeah, they really haven't. And they paid Crawford because he could play defensive end and defensive tackle, and that was a long time ago. This was an old contract. Man. I'm trying to think though. I thought that they were they the justification for paying him was because he could play the undertackle. Yeah, yeah,

am I right about that? While I wasn't here at the time when he got his new twenty sixteen was it twenty sixteen that he got guess I was here. He yeah, undertook it worse than us. But you're right though they haven't. They haven't poured money into that position. And all we hear is that it's so vital for Rod's defense. So it's a little bit ye, a bit of an interesting and contrast there. I probably think the guy just they probably don't believe he can play at

at at a high enough level. And you know, there's some concerns there. We talked about that. He you know, you're gonna every year you're gonna get the six sacks. It's kind of what he does. You know, you went through all the numbers, and again, don't go through all the numbers. It gives people tired. Yea, yeah, just we

know that we're not gonna do it. Yeah, you know, you know one of the things I deal in twenty fifteen, all right, I think that they made the Tyrone Crawford at seven million dollars, okay, and he is a very well respected member of this team. Locker room presence and everything. I mean, if they if they wanted to make room Tyron Crawford right there, they they made the decision they like Tyrone Crawford on this football team over Gerald McCoy

on this football team. In my mind, whether they whether whether that entered there, that's a pretty hot take right there, Whether whether they whether they actually had a conversation about it or not. When you do the math on it. Okay, Tyrone Crawford, it's seven million dollars base this year. He's on this football team. He starts at right defensive end,

he can play, he can rush from inside too. They feel like he's a more valuable member of this team and what Gerald McCoy would be in my opinion, Yeah, I don't. I mean, I you're you're you're bringing facts there. That's absolutely right. But they've they've always they've always thought

more of Crawford than a lot of folks. So would he have been eight million dollars better than Malie Collins Jerald McCoy, Yes, Mickey, I I when we had that discussion, I said yes, Okay, I said yes, Why can't you Adam and have added him and just play all of them. I mean, you've got that's a lot of money for a guy. Know what you do. What you do is you get one year deal and you're trying to win the Super Bowl one year, done with it after one There's a lot of people, Robin will agree with you

on that. Mickey break up a good point, though. I mean, I appreciate you asking that question because to me, there's a lot of people say, hey, if you're going for it, go for it. But is Gerald McCoy a go for it player? Should? And should if they don't they don't feel that, Okay, it's fine. Is a go for it player should? Okay, let's let's let's go back then who should the Cowboys had a go for player? Should have been Earl Thomas? Should that have been the go for

it player? Okay? Should Gerald McCoy been the go for it player? Who? Okay? If those of the defensive help of defensive help, who would have been your go for it play? And again they went for neither. So but we're just trying to well in the back when we had this discussion, I think Mickey might have said it too. I said, defensive tackle is probably more important to your defense. This is before the draft, before the draft, and we weren't really sure what they were going to do in

free agency all that stuff. I said, d tackle because I just felt like they needed more numbers there. And they have added more numbers there, and maybe they feel like it's good enough. And they think Tristan Hill can help, Tyrone can play two different spots, and and you roll with that with Antoine. So then ask yourself this question, why did Tampa Bay give up on him? The GM is in trouble there, okay, but that and then Bruce

arians coming. It's the new coach thing, Mickey. That that to me is always the defense you always look at. You look at these teams that have these new coaches, and you could always take it. Look with the Cowboys, Yeah, they gave up a one to get a Maray Cooper. Hell, they should have probably given up more if you look at the way of Mary Cooper. That's a new coach. They gave up the twenty seventh best player in the draft for Amari Cooper. You kidding me pretty good? That's

a good deal. But what how how do you get Amari Cooper? How did the Chicago Bears get that defensive end that they got because a coach goes in there and he's like, I don't really don't want to pay this guy, And you know what, I think I could get somebody better. He really couldn't. He couldn't. That's sometimes you have to take advance, not sometimes. Hell, every team that had a new coach was worth me following. Hey, here's a new coach, new new general manager. So you'd

rather soothe in McCoy. Here's another one. Robert Quinn, Robert Robert Quinn, because Brian Flores comes in and maybe he doesn't think with what will they changed the defense? Right? And he's tried to have three four Yeah, And and Wade Phillips he did the same thing to Quinn when he came When when Wade Phillips came in. Quinn has been a stand up linebacker for the last two years and that's not really where he's most comfortable and that

and so they've accommodated. They accommodated him, and now he's in a spot where they Cowboys think he has a chance to flourish. So do you think he plays seventy percent? Son of the snaps? Who's that? Quinn or is he a rotation guy? It depends on what I think that what they're gonna try and do is if it's gonna be Crawford's gonna start at the rite end and base.

When they do base, he's maybe one two downs. Maybe maybe they go to Nickel immediately in second down, depending on how well they play the first down, And then you get a situation where now he's gonna play. I would say Robert Quinn's gonna play seventy percent of a time because they're gonna probably find a way to kick Crawford inside and let him rush something in there. Yeah, you know, because what happens if I could throw another if in there, if Randy Gregory's I was just reinstated.

I was just gonna say that because you know, before that happened, their thought at the end of the season was Randy Gregory can be an every down right defensive end. Right, But you're also operating under the premise that I mean, at this point, you think he's going to campus. No, no, no, When I understand, I'm just saying, what if. That's where I what if is good? But the what do I know? I know, and I'll tell you what I have a respect for Randy Gregory. I was really really wrong about

I said he didn't want to play football. He does want to play football. But that's why I was wrong about Randy Gregory. The thing about it is, though I don't know what the league is going to do to Randy Gregory. Yeah, every every day I understand. No, No, I know you do. I know you do. I'm not saying no, no, I'm not Gregory was there. No, No, I'm not. I'm not pointing it to finger at you making I'm just saying I wish I could trust I trust Randy Gregory more and I trust the league. Does

that make sense? I mean, I mean I trust him to at least try, but the league. If the league is asking him to do things that he is not capable of doing to stay eligible, then I don't know. I mean, I'm glad I have Robert Quinn. Yeah, without

getting two numbers heavy, I'm just looking this up. There was one defensive lineman last year who played seventy percent of the snaps, and that was d Law seventy one and rightfully and rightfully so, I off the top of my head, I don't think Quinn gets seventy percent but that also means somebody threw that out there, like yeah, sure, why not, Well, I mean only one guy, he might only one guy. I think the next guy was Tyrone sixty one, not tak him. But that Ki brings up

an interesting point. The question is laugh on the run listening to that tonight, who steps up in that rotation to help that rotation? And it's a one year deal, right Quinn? Yeah, yes, sir, yes, I mean so it's not like they sunk money into him as this was our future. Yeah, but guys also have to emerge to help that rotation otherwise, Yeah, I'm playing Robert Quinn a lot. You know what, the guy we haven't seen too, and

then you guys haven't had the advantage. I saw the guy play at Houston was Christian Covington playing as the one technique, So I was thinking, like help for well, he's still rehabbit, he's still I know. That's I'm saying, you haven't seen him practice yet. And another guy that's kind of shown up playing as a defensive in has been Carrie Hider. Carrie Hyder, Yes, but but Carrie Hyder again, Carry Hyder is a pro and he's been a pro

in this league for a long time. Carrie Hider has been taking advantage of some you know, Brandon Knight, ye spread some Brandon Knight guys, you know, and you know, it's good for Brandon Knight that he gets to go get the guy that knows how to rush the passer. But but, but, but Carrie Hider shows up, and maybe

in these games Carrie Hider will show up again. I kind of thought a carry Hider really is an afterthought, like, oh, good depth, you know, oh hey, you gotta as we get to the pres preseason games, you have a guy that can make can get the quarterback that doesn't happen what happened in San Francisco last year in the preseason where that quarterback from Southern miss is that that that the down the field and then they lose the game. So when you ask where the rush, where's the log jam?

The log jams on the defensive line. They got sixteen defensive linemen. I think they'll figure it out. I do think they'll figure that. There's some guys like when you bring him and Hider, you know, we didn't even talk about him, Oh Quinn, oh Crawford, Yeah, well what about Carrie Hider and and and Jalen Jelks is going to make life difficult for somebody. Yeah, you know what, this this is just okay. This is another just gut feeling. I like Jalen Jokes a lot. And I think that

Jalen Jokes end up on the practice squad. That's just me and that's pretty good if yeah, yeah, that happens. I think if we got sixteen guys, you're gonna see okay, and and maybe maybe Joe Jackson ends up on the practice squad too. About Dorence Armstrong where they drafted a year ago. Now he's been the starting left defensive end and so they're thinking to things for him. A matter of fact, talking to some phocists, I asked about him

and like, how's he doing? He goes man yesterday yesterday being Monday's practice, he was, he was coming off, he was, you know, he's going against there there. It's it's it's a backup tackle situation over there. It's not you know, it's not Lyle Collins. But he but he's doing some good things over there. They said, So it's Mickey's guy, you know, Cam Fleming. I say, you're a guy, Mickey and jest. I know you and Cam Fleming are not

best friends. Guys. I didn't say I didn't like them, just you just thought they could do better at offensive tackle. Who's signed? Who's signed? Chaz Green? Yesterday? Jazz Green? Yes, yes, they somebody asked me on Twitter, they go, hey, it told us about Chazz Green. I'm like, well, you said Denver now and you know and I but see that just shows you though with offensive linemen sometimes it's it takes a while. You got to learn how to hold

trip and clip. You know, you know it would be that guy and maybe if he clearly Chaz Green hasard because he'd let go by. So what was pointing on Cameron Fleming before I interrupted? No, Cam, The thing about that he was beating it that that Armstrong is defeating Cam Fleming. You know, that's that's the battle there. That's not defeating Lyle Collins. It's it's you know that way, it's that Yeah, it's kind of Let's go back to

the phone lines. Let's go to Dave and California. Next up here on Talking Cowboy Now voices that Bill, Hi, Dave, Hi, Bill, how are you doing very well? Thank you? My mom would not be happy. And that is my name is Dave Lynn spilled from one word. It's one way. She went through a lifetime of correcting my coaches on that. What what is your given name? D A V L Y N N. Yeah? Named after two very influential people in their lives. So cool Lynn Scott and who else

Lynn Scott? I haven't thought about in fifteen years? Yeah, yeah, Now I will say this. They were both Cowboy fans. There you good? Hey, Brian, I don't I don't think you're right about okay saying that you were wrong and what you said about Randy Gregory. I think you were spot on and what Yeah, I think Randy Gregory then grew up and remade himself and now has a passion. But when you said it at the time you said it, I think you were right, and Randy deserves some kudos

for changing the player he is. He Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. But you don't have to defend me on that I was wrong about the guy. I was very critical of him, and I you know, I didn't know that his sickness was a mental thing. And this is where I learned a lesson, I believe where I learned that if somebody has a sickness, and you're saying it's it's he likes smoking marijuana more than he does like

playing football. That's that's that's that's being an idiot. And I and I and I will point the finger at myself for that because he I did not know he had a sickness. But you know, the more I learned about his situation, the more I realized what an idiot I was. So I appreciate you coming on and defending me, but please, don't you need to you need to blaspheme for not digging in deeper on he also had people taking advantage of them. Yeah, at a very young age. Sure,

sure there's predators out there were absolutely that, yep. But we also need to give him credit for changing himself, no question, no question. All right, So I want to throw out a hypothetical. Let's say that all of our evaluations on the D line, uh, they just don't turn out.

By the end of the preseason, we see that all the inside the three and the ones okay, the one of the three okay, finding out by the end the preseason that the Indianapolis and the Lost Dress could steal gashes up the mill okay, and we're looking around and go what what can we do? So I said, what I'd like to have you guys do is what guy do you want to go after to fix the bleeding? And which one of your three all prooffensive linement would you give up to give him to get him? Okay, Oh, Davelin,

thank you very much for that question. It looks like you got knocked off the air. I don't want to give up. Sorry, sorry, sorry, find somebody else, do you have? You have somebody in mind that you would like to it'd have to be somebody young, probably you would want to you would you trade? Would you be more willing to trade a pick like you did for Cooper? I'm just saying a pick. I didn't say a first round pick. I said a pick, you know, like a first, second,

or third round pick. Would you be willing to do that? I just don't have you somebody off the top of my head either for you know, and I don't know if you'd want to go get a you'd obviously want to. The human log is really good at one. I think I'm interested to see Hill play the under tackle myself. You know you need Malik to stay healthy. I'm trying to think of who I would I'm trying to think of who I would go after. I would like to

go after. I'd go after somebody young, is what I would try and do if I'm going to do this, so kind of as a well, the other part of that is we're not going to know at the end of training camp, at the end of the preseason. Yeah, yeah, yep, where it's going to be if if there is a problem with the interior or the defensive line. D it's not going to be until the trade deadline basically before we know that. Was there one person that led to

what happened in those two games? It was a bad overall effort, I mean a bad playing this got their ass kicked. Bad effort, Yeah, you know, and and Antoine Woods played that game with a torn a torn labor right and it happened early in the game and he played through it. Yeah, So, um, that's a good question.

I mean, I'm just trying to think about guys that you would Again, it'd have to be a young guy that you want to do that you can like what you did with him, because somebody that is not going to give up a twenty four year old defensive tackle who's a Pro Bowl caliber player. Think he does not like this game? But no, Mickey, but but but what Davelyn wanted to do with I know he wanted he wanted to move one of your offensive lines. I understand that. Would you move Vile Collins? He wasn't one of the

three Pro Bowlers. Well let's let's let's use him as let's use him as an example. Then let's not let's not move, let's not move one of the three Pro bowlers. But let's move. Let's move Lyle Collins. What do you say, who's taking his place? Well, that's where we're gonna go with Fleming. We're gonna go with maybe we've seen Connor Williams already play a little left tackle, left guard. Okay, that's just discussion we had two weeks ago. When I said, do you want to win or do you want to

look for the future. That's right when he screamed at me, that's right, we're trying to look at going to scream. I don't know. I mean, I always I think that you have to play the game. I think you do have to play. It's he's trying to do something that I think that if it doesn't work out. What would be a scenario, What would be a kind of a scenario that you would look at that you would replace. You know, what's the best trading piece you have? Just

the best trading piece you have is law Collins? Your best trading piece? Do you think? Guys? But what if they want to keep them? I'm just saying, yeah, I know if you if you had, if you had to trade a player. So you're saying you play Connor Williams at Reich tackle who I would say, so, yeah, because Mickey doesn't like Cam Fleming And what do you do? Then you not personally, not personally, No, what we're playing

football here? He would plug McGovern in it at guard, right or Joe Looney or Joe Looney Yeah, yeah, Joe Looney's played sixteen games for you. Its center did a capable job. I'm a little nervous about all this, and I'm not trying to not play the game. But we're at a point where I think we're starting to get that offensive line restocked to the point it needs to be a t which I have a lot of faith in Travis Frederick. I do too. He even will tell

us I don't think he lies to us. He doesn't, but he is saying I need to get into pads in camp and see where I'm at and and so that's that's the next test. But everything we've heard is, and from him too, is that it's going well. So if you do all that, then who's your backup center? McGovern? You can't just because you got a little bit of depth, you can't keep marginalizing it. He could go somewhere else. I drafted him in the third round. That didn't mean

a start. They've started a lot of young guys. Yeah, they have first round picks. They were first round picks. No that that that shouldn't bother you making. But he was a blinking light. Remember he was well that's fine. Second. Yeah, one thing about Lyle Collins. If the Cowboys have determined that somewhere and they would be willing to trade, you have to question whether other teams are looking at him and saying they are he is someone they are willing to give up much for going into last year of

his contract. So I don't know how much. Number one, I don't know that the Cowboys would trade him in their situation right now where they feel like they can put a Super Bowl contender on the field. And secondly, if they are will into trade him, I don't know that anyone wants him for what they would they want in return. All right, we continue with more of talking cowboys in a moment. It can be hard to find

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did I see some day talent? I was going to ask you, Yes, that was the final final tryouts for the Dallas Cowboys trainers. Yeah. Absolutely, They had uh twenty seven of their veterans selected back into training camp, and then I think that ended up being eighteen more that they chose to go to training camp, so I think it was forty five or forty they got the training camp invites, Training camp invites, and then you cut the squad down to thirty six or thirty eight? Is that

mandated by the league. It's their salary camp. Not gonna trade any of these girls, are we It was some pretty good talent out there by some really good dancers. All right, Cowboys, are you going to make an appearance on the TV show? I'm trying to think if I said something stupid enough, Not exactly no, but some people do say stupid stuff. Just say something that you think you're real funny, and then they get you on the show. Oh you should do did that for Hard Knocks for

two years. Just give him a copy of Mike. Just give him a copy of Talking Cowboys, and maybe you'll get by By the way, by the way, if you need a story for Mickey's thirty seconds. The director of the University of Missouri Golden Girls was at the tryouts and she told me that I three years ago, I've made their end of the year video, Peril the video What Not to Do in Journalism? What were you doing

in there? When the young lady that was from the University of Missouri tried out and we were analyzing her, I said, well, she went to the University of Missouri, she was a Golden Girl. She's got to make it. Yeah, that's why you got kicked off the girls? Are they? What do you mean? Oh? The timeout the show? Okay, in the last three minutes here, all right, if you want to just throw Asseline on a good story, all right, where would you like, Michael five minutes of Talking Cowboys?

You got more info on Michael Brocker. No, I just was saying Michael Brocker's names. If you're going to go LSU guy, we're talking about that in the break. Okay, Brockers was a guy that Brian brought up in the break. Is related to the last question from caller. I got two questions. All right, So the order they're playing the quarterbacks, is Mike White that much ahead of Cooper Rush? Now, don't pay attention to that making Okay, that was my question.

Don't pay attention because he's been getting the second ye. So yeah, they're doing the slide of hand trick to Herky said, don't pay any attention to that, right, okay, don't pay attention. And this past uh Ota that we got to watch, did you see who made all the field goals? Yes? What was his name? Where the Red Fern Grows one of my favorite books, Casey. We need to write about him on the site, just so I

can work that title in there. So are they I guarantee you I end lining up at the forty five yard line for the attempt Where the Red Fern Grows, Casey, Where the Red Fern Grows, Red Fern? All right? So yeah, so he's a double punter kicker guy. That's reating That's where we were last year, right at this, Yeah, Mackey, we need to pay attention to special teams instead of talking to the crowd along the fence line. I mean, as Mayer they kind of going, Okay, we got to

take a look at this or we hang on. I probably need to do my homework here. But Mayer is a kicker first, yes? Last year? Is Red Fern a kicker first? Or is a punter first? Who can you know? What? How does it matter? I don't know. He got rid of his first two punts. He was sky in the building. We almost wasn't big enough for his punts. Yeah, but he hit from fifty and he hit us two when they were doing the play it out at the end of the practice. Yeah yeah, and one was from fifty.

Pay attention. We can't ignore it. I learned my lesson last year. I'm not gonna I'm sorry fans, if you see me along the fence line, I have to go watch special teams. Brian and I are gonna be under the goal post sing. We did one day. Mickey and I did one day. We were like standing where we met from the opposite Mickey walked. It was like, like, what are you doing here? Same thing you are standing there looking at him and Dan. We loved Dan, but like he had a couple bad days Early had two

bad days in a row. Yeah, and that's what got everybody kind of going on because he missed one. But in your mind you're thinking, Okay, well, if they were to make a change, it wouldn't be this guy. So you bring in some veterans for tryouts like they've done in the past, because myher didn't have experience. But the guy just kept making kicks and nobody paid attention to it until he made that kick in Houston. And I remember saying this on the radio Brad Sham I said,

you know, that's good for him. Somebody if it's gonna need a kick or they're gonna bring this guy in and he's gonna be able to have a little good feeling about, you know, kicking and next thing you know, it's lining up and kicking field goals for you opening day, that was you know, that might have been that might have been the biggest surprise of training camp for me.

That maybe that's an understatement there, Well, that's one of the biggest I've seen them make it last time, and even after he made the fifty seven yard field goal in Houston and then two days I didn't give a chance. I didn't give him a chance to man. I thought they were just going to continue on with Dan Bailey. I thought it was a lot of nerve that they gave up on Dez when they did this. Was double a lot of nerve to do that with the kicker at that point. Yeah, so that money was a factor too.

I just thought I'd throw the question out there. Yeah, good question. We need to pay attention. Let's not ignore it. I need to pay you know, just Casey Redfern, just reading up on him, doing a little research on him. He has been a valued player in the NFL. He's been with Jacksonville, San Diego, Carolina, Cleveland, Detroit, and now Dallas.

I say he's been a valued player because Cleveland, the Panthers actually traded Redfern and a fourth round pick to the Cleveland for Andy Lee, who hasn't been in this league and rounder. And then he made the team with Detroit two years ago, he was announced as the starting punter, beating out the incumbent Sam Martin, and then in the

first game of the year. He suffered a torn ACL MCL and partially torn patel attendon after he was hit by Arizona Cardinals tight end I Phoene MoMA near the sideline after Redfern took a bubbled snap in his own end zone and tried to run for a first down. Mom, what's that MoMA? I was thinking maybe they had a bounty on him and they sent him after the kicker like the old Cowboys days. Cowboy days. Yeah, Bounty Bowl. And he's twenty seven years old. Man, this show has

been all day, last year to morrow. You know where he went to college, Yes, Wafford South. That's in South Carolina. I've been football game too, by the way, all right, we're gonna make time for me. He's minute South Carolina. The training camp, that's where Carolin holds her training camp. That used there, you go, Yeah, they used to. They used to do it at Furman. Oh all right, I hear music that means boys, we'll talk at you again next week. This has been