Talkin' Cowboys: Leftover Needs?

as we welcome you back into an off season. Addition, we are post draft, we are previewing rookie mini camp, and of course the off season rolling along here from Frisco as well. Fantastic. How do you feel? I feel good, man. You know what they had Mother's Day weekend, so I guess we should be be respectful, Yes we should. How is Mother's Day for you guys? Did you guys do anything special for your mothers, your wives? First time having my mom and my and my wife in the same

city at the same time for my Mother's Day. Oh that's fun. It's dope. It was dope. It worked. So you went over in the ball Oh no, it just normal, you say, your mom did brunch. Okay, brunch was fired and then took him to the mall. Yeah, we did brunch, took them to the mall, grabbed them both something, and then we went to Grandscape, got some ice cream. Humble. That's the humble brag, right there. I love you talking about I didn't do much, Louis. We were no sir, Bob.

You know me. Hey, by one o'clock, we was done. Way to do it, dude. By one o'clock we was at a am. That's crazy. See that he was feeding them amos se brunch. That's why you were done by one. But about what you put down. We're postponing till this weekend. I'll postponing into this weekend. Yeah, the kiddo has been a little sick, so we're gonna we're gonna make up for it. Nice. Yeah, so we had a chill we had We had literally a very chill Mother's Day. But

you gotta do something right. We can't just say, oh yeah, we'll just do it next week. That doesn't work. Yeah, I technically postponed mine as well. I'm taking my mom to a Rangers game on Monday, so nice. It'll be a mother's son who they play thing? Uh the Angels, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim to come to town. I'll go with you. I like them. Half those guys were on my minor league teams out there. So yeah, whenever the Mariner's going to tell you, yeah, we'll go, we'll go.

I've got a Mariner's hat. Everybody's taking care of Mother's Day. You're gonna take your mom told you, yeah, what did you? God guess well. I was in dripping sprinks calling lacrosse well timed drops, waiting on it. He was hovering. Yeah, not the Mario coint you know, didn't get to it. I was calling the state lacrosse, the THHS LLL state, that's what's up, tournament. So I'm making up for Mother's Day all week, so not just next weekend, a week a week. She didn't tell me you took her to

her favorite restaurant early on the week. I did, so I had to get the party started right after. I knew what I was gonna do. But you had a birthday. I did, and and a bachelor party. Wait a minute in New Orleans, pointed so he popping on the handstand, humping your back and lift your rump. Oh my going on a lot of a lot of Todd Anthony Shaw being played? Sure, yeah, yeah, do you know who taught Anthony Shaw? I don't actually he popping on a handstand.

You know what they mean? Good? No, you don't know who young noah vibes that I got this weekend. I'm really disappointed that you don't know who Todd Anthony shafter maybe if I heard it, maybe so I know people here. No, well, let me just say it like this. Uh. Todd Anthony Shaw is an American born rapper from East Oakland who goes by the moniker too Short. We will be playing a lot of him during your bachelor party, Kyle. Yes, well I didn't know that. I didn't know that was

too short. But that's my I had no idea. No, that's my wheelhouse man early early nineties, but I didn't know his realm. This makes me feel better because, well, you didn't know who too Short is? Period? I know who, I don't know who, whatever the name was, You don't do it. I thought it early. I'm still trim that you went to the BT uncut. I don't understand you come on eleven o'clock. It was a it was a

fun weekend. And we have already seen that this is spilling over in five minutes five minutes into the show, and we have not talked a lick of Cowboys soft season at its best this weekend. By the way, Yeah, Kentucky Derby, Tom Brady is going to be a football analyst after he retires. That's why I want to see that bag. Jeezus, Miami ron Prix Formula one was big. The fact that they secured that already. You know the bag is dumb. Well, they had to do something after Troy, Yeah, bulls.

They elevated. Yeah, they upgraded for sure. Sorry, Daryl. Darryl moose Johnston was kind of right man, and he's great. He is. You know, Tommy got Brady is a different aging will Darryl moose Johnson, he doesn't age. He doesn't. I don't know what he's doing, but it looks good on him. Him and for real, doing a great job. We need to get it, my boy. Kevin burkehart On, I would love that action. You know, someone on this show interviewed Kevin Brooke Harton excuse me on this website?

All right, what dial it up? Yeah? Get him one. Yeah, let's make it. Let's make it happen. I would love that. Uh Rob. News and notes for the Cowboys have been pretty dry recently. I mean it's a quiet time around the Star, but we do have rookie Minicamp coming up this weekend. Anything stick out to you over the last week. We are waiting till Thursday, when the rookies arrive. I

think it's well, it's nine draft picks, it is. I think twenty ish rookie free agents, handful of veteran guys, like first year eligible guys who will take part, a couple tryout guys. They'll come in Thursday, they'll get their physicals done, everything checks out, they'll sign their contracts, get their equipment, and then we'll have some football on the field Friday and Saturday Football Americano. So it starts Thursday, but no like on field stuff really Thursday, right, No, No, Thursday,

just come in check again, get everything rolling, physicals. That's why the deals are not signed yet because guys that's all got to check out. So they'll take care of that. And it used to be Zaya tell me if I'm wrong, but I want to say you came in and up until a few years ago. It was the week after the draft. Guys would come in for the rookie camp. Man, I don't mother's weekend, and it just was a combination

of like, I remember it was hot. I remember that. See. Yeah, it was two practices I think a day, and you know there's been situations where guys have puked called earl. I was on a bike, man, I was still injured. Yeah, I was still on rehab protocol. So they threw me on a bike in the Devil's playground out there, and uh yeah it was hot man. They Valley Ranch. Jason

Garrett finally scrapped Hot Brot. Yeah, bro I was. I'm telling I went from Seattle, which was like like upper forties yea, to all of a sudden came down here and it was been in mid nineties, and I just saw Jesus on that bike. I was on a bike all day. And that's that's the thing, Like there's guys that come from different climates and you haven't you're not in football shape, you've been auditioning for the draft. It's

not the same. It's nowhere near the same. And then get thrown into two days and finally Garrett was like scrapped. This is that literally, you're welcome to welcome to the NFL moment as a rookie or as it m at camp OTAs no not mine mines. Was against my first practice in camp, coming off of injury and all that jazz, not having gone through Ricky stuff, because I was hurt stepping on the field and my We were practicing against

Denmer Broncos. And my first rep of one on ones we were doing one on ones was against some dude named Champ Bailey. Oh yeah, that I ran the only route that I knew how to run because I had never played receiver straight, go straight and fast, seaball, catch ball, walked other directions, don't make eye contact. So how did that go for you? I did it, and I caught it, and I walked the other direction. I didn't make eye contact. I did not want to run it back. So I

won that one. That's not your welcome to the rookie, he was the NFL. When you win, idn't even know almost. It's like when Kyle humbled, didn't Kyle no, no, no, listen. I was already humbled. I was already humbled. I was humbled because I came in injured playing a position I never played before. So I was humbled already. On the receiving room that had they had THO, Yeah, yeah, it had some dudes in there, right, t O, TG we

had some guys, We had some ghosts and PC. So I step on the field, I don't even know what the heck I'm wearing. I'm wearing all the pads. So these guys are clowning me because I'm wearing all the thigh pads, all the knee pads. You know, receivers don't wear decisions. Dude, I'm out there and TiO and those guys are like, what the heck is that? So they're clown to me. I don't know how to stand that

in a receiver position. I don't think people understand how raw raw I remember that coming straight out the ocean. They just remember that coming up in the locker room around that was that was you know, part of the that was my wokan. So anyway, they they they used to do this the week after. Now it gives a chance for guys number one to just get their affars

in order. Everything settled after the draft, and they come right in and jump into the offseason program and it's we'll get into we can get into what the camp's gonna look like, but it's getting guys ready for OTAs

when the vets. You know, it's not gonna be super strenuous. Yeah, and we've kind of seen that over the last couple of off seasons from the virtual standpoint of twenty twenty into twenty twenty one where it was one of those times and we had talked about it on this show many times in the past that it's it's lighter from a from an off season standpoint, when you get to trading camp, you still hit the ground running, you still have your practices, but from an off season standpoint, it's

a lot of install it's a lot of getting up to speed, getting ready for OTAs and building of course to Oxnard in late July. But how much can you get out of a camp like this, Isaiah, from a players standpoint, from a coaching standpoint, how much can you really see and really learn from a rookie mini camp when you finally do get to see your your guys for the first time. But also it's still very limited. Yeah, I believe from a coach's perspective, they just want they

want to affirm what they've seen on film. They want to make sure that their selection or you know, whether if they're your draft pick or if you're a free agent. You know what they everybody has film. They want to affirm that what they saw is true, and they want to they want to just see glimpses of it. Oh yeah, okay, cool, we made the right decision. From the players standpoint, you want to go out there and compete. The coaches are going to test you in terms of your your ability

to be able to absorb information. They're gonna throw a lot at you. Really if it's gonna be very simple, but maybe not so simple depending on the program that you're coming from, and they're gonna want to try to overwhelm. You'll see exactly how you handle it. You're in a new environment. You're out there trying to compete every play because you think that every play is going to be the thing that gets you cut. And then then they're gonna throw a whole bunch on you mentally and see

what can you can handle. And then physically physically you're gonna be taxed because to rob your rock Pea's point, you have been literally training to do tests You've been training to push as much weight as you can as many times you can. You've been trained to run forty yards and stop. You've been trained to jump as high as you can. You have I've been training to play football because the unfortunately what this NFL has turned into, at least as combine, is how how well you can

do something. That's how that's how much money you're gonna make coming out of college. If you if you're you might have been a fourth round guy. You go out there and run of four two, guess what you are now you're a first round guy or a start of the top of a second just because you're just because you worked so hard on that one aspect. And so that's what guys are training for. They're putting a lot of emphasis, a lot of weight on that because that's what their agents are paying for them to go do.

Train for the combine, not trained for the league. So heck, when you're watching these practices later in the week, are you looking for the side the sides? Are you looking for the reading ability the first step? Is it that kind of stuff it's all football related or does the athletics sism kind of play into that? I mean, We saw it last year with Michael Parsons during Mini camp where it kind of clicked and said, oh, this guy can do a little bit more than just playoff ball linebacker.

You know, Kyle, I really don't for me not being able to hear the teaching install portion of it, because I realized that's the biggest portion for the for the coaches is breaking down the terminology that you were just talking about getting guys acclam made it to the NFL as far as the knowledge that it's going to take to be able to play the position, but you know, trying to get guys to unlearn some of that bad habits.

I don't think you get that until you get a guy in full pads that you start to understand what he can and can't do. Chris Beam calls it the underwear Olympics Olympics in in the OTA period, and I agree because now isn't you know it's just all about getting these guys mentally ready for what's going to be

in front of them. But the excitement has to be there for once you know you're in full full gear and you get an opportunity to see how these guys operate because obviously they're going to come in and have to unlearn some bad habits from college. I think there's a couple couple examples to your point, Like I go back to twenty eighteen jahad Ward. Do you guys remember him. Yeah, he comes in. He's a free agent that they signed from Oakland and Rod Marinelli type interior pass rusher or

even edge guy up the field. You know, that's what they were looking for. He shined in these OTAs in mini camp. He was great, and Rod even warned us afterwards. He was like, look, let's get let's get the Oxnard, let's get the pads on. See what happens. He didn't

make the team. And I'm not ripping anybody, but I'm just saying that to your point, Like, it's hard to tell, especially like I'm looking forward to seeing what John Ridgeway can bring, like the interior fifth round draft pick defensive tackle. They talked him up after the draft, trying to get bigger inside stop the run. It's gonna be hard to tell until training camps, especially for the big lineman. Like I think you can see how guys move around, especially

if the skill positions or something like this. DB's for sure and the Sean writes another example, like he really stood out last year and we were like damn yeah with the behind the hands and we're like, damn, okay, late third round picker, but I was gonna be a seventh round pick. This guy could he start? Like we kind of wed, we jumped the gun a little bit on that, but it turned out like yeah, I mean

he I looked it up. He had ninety one snaps out of eleven fifty something like that defensive defensive snaps last year. That being said, he still could turn into a nice player and and uh, but again it's you can get a little excited um for this first camp just because it's football's back. Man, it is back. And I remember even seeing like Nason right running backwards, back pedaling and then like knocking down a pass on a receiver in the back half zone and it's like, oh

my gosh, like maybe maybe they knew something. And then of course they didn't necessarily turn into anything. And you're one. But from a from a coaching standpoint, you look at this camp and you you look at the way that you install these practices. Rob when you're installing this early on, Isaiah pointed to it earlier. Are you you throwing everything

at these rookies. Are you kind of taking it one step at a time, one bite at a time, so that way they're they're comfortable, but you don't want them to be too comfortable. Yeah, I mean, I think I think the rookie camp's more of a baseline and some of it's some of it's not just on the field teaching, like Heck mentioned that, it's also hey, this is how we do this is how our schedule works day to day. This is the weight room, this is how we're going

to operate in meetings. Just kind of getting guys their feet underneath them. And then once you get to OTAs and the Veteran Camp, it's where a lot of the installation is to where when you get to get to Oxyard, a lot of it's just review. They're not putting in a lot of new stuff, but you're trying to get these guys just kind of just it's an orientation more than anything. And they did a little competitive stuff last year. OTAs is as a Ricky though OTA's is almost a breather.

It's almost a breath of fresh air because Ricky minicamp. There's nobody else to sub in and out like it's thin. Right, So not only do you have the stress of new environment and the classroom and film and install and now you're going out there and now you're trying to compete as hard as you can because you're trying to put your best foot forward. Dog it's hot, all right, we're

talking about upper nineties. Human, you know, human is all get out feeling like a sign outside and then you're there's nobody When you look over to the sign, there's

nobody there. So your text and guess what, Now the coaches are really gonna see who they have, because when there's nobody the sub and and out for you, when you're gassed and you still gotta put your best foot forward, you find out real quicken on hurry who you have, you know, And we saw it last year, even when Mike and Michael was dying, that boy was almost army crawling about here, right, he was almost army crawling, and he just happened to be one of the best players

in dogging on league, you know, months later. So it is challenging. It doesn't matter who you are, a first round pick or if you're a free agent. This is an unusual heatwave we've got in North Texas right now. Friday. I don't know what they're gonna do Sunday. I don't know what the Sunday schedule looks like. But they're going to practice Friday and Saturday. HI have ninety three Friday, HI have ninety one on Saturday. I got a break and heavy in the path. They've gotten rid of the

team periods though. I think they just do like because they're not enough people something. Yeah. Yeah, Now, speaking of that of not having enough people, you look at the draft class and you look at the undrafted free agents, and there's a common theme between the two of them.

There's no quarterbacks on either one of those lists. And it was reported earlier this morning that they'll have a couple of cowboy or couple quarterbacks come in to rookie Minicamp to on a tryout basis, one of which Nick Starkle, who is from Argyle. He was here at Dallas Day, went to Argyle Liberty Christian played his high school football there. It's now the school where Jason Witten's a head CoA chat by the way. Then he went to Texas A

and m never really found any playing time there. Went to San Jose State and then really set the world on fire at San Jose State. The other quarterback is Terry Wilson. He started his career at New Mexico, then transferred or excuse me, at Kentucky, then transferred to New Mexico, and he was kind of pitter pattering down the stretch with the lobos there, but the couple quarterbacks coming in

to throw around. But that brings me to my question because I know, for me personally, I want to look at some of these wide receivers that the Cowboys added on the backcat of the depth chart. And we have talked about this as well on the show of how thin the wide receiver room is without Cedric Wilson, of course without Amari Cooper at the top. You added Jalen Tolbert in the middle of your draft class, and you added James Washington in the free agent class, but really

you still feel thin from a wide receiver standpoint. They bring in four different wide receivers from an undrafted free agent standpoint. Ontario Drummond, wide receiver from Old miss who they met with at the combine, Jakari Robinson who was very, very productive for Wake Forest in twenty twenty. Same can be said for ty Frey Folger fry Fogel, who was the Big ten wide receiver of the Year for Indiana in twenty twenty, and then Dennis Houston from Western Illinois.

Four wide receivers that I want to see more of, along with Jalen Tolbert added into the mix there as well from rookie Minicamp. But heckma is wide receiver a position where you're gonna have your eyes glued on and if there's another one, what would it be? You know, they talked at LINT about not being done in free agency, and so that's obviously a place where you're gonna have to look because you are so thin. But players like Jayleen Tilbert and him everything that he comes in with,

the moxie machigues moo and his I like that. What was that? Moxie moxie macheesmo. Yeah, what is that from? That's from? That's just as I like that. I like that. It just kind of threw me off for a second. I had to circle back to it. Cheesemo Cheesemo. I like it. You can watch w W none of that Razor Cheesemo Cheesemozcheesmo. I like it so. But but my point is, like Tolbert is, even though he's, you know, cocky guy, he's coming from the FBS, you know levels,

he still is confident in his ability. And I just feel like, you know, there's gonna so much riding for him and guys like can't the kid from Indiana who went on dry Fogel. You know, this opportunity for those undrafted guys to try and break into that wide receiver room. So excited about that, but really even thinking a forward thinking for the wide receiver group that they got to

add some more names. But when you talk about the other groups that we have, linebacker, they have to they have they have to be thinking of adding a veteran linebacker because right now, that's probably the thinnest room you have. And I just don't see them being asleep at the wheel at that position the way that we've seen it with the offensive line. We've seen it in other areas. But you've got to you've got to try and figure out a way to shore up the linebacker room. You agree, Isam,

I'm definitely at the linebacker position. Receiver, I think they're gonna pull off a bet, there's a there's a there's enough savvy vets that are out there in a free agent market right now, whether healthy or getting healthy. I think that they're going to be plenty of opportunities to grab one of those guys, and somebody want to come add to that room. I think they still need a veteran presence in that room. There's I personally don't believe that you can go into this season with CD as

your leader. There's no disrespect to him. I just think that they need they need somebody else that's a little bit more seasoned. Where do you put CD man? I mean as far as the list of like, it's all comparisonbody nowlysis, is he one of those guys that you even put in the first tier group of wide receivers in this league? Not me? What does he have to do to break that sailing? As you know, more consistent? Yeah, be more consistent, I think. I mean, obviously, he's an

exceptional talent, fast, can catch, make big plays. You know, once he's on a hot street, he's on a hot street, like you can't really stop him. But it's just an inconsistency. I think there's a lot of drop balls. He's not the only one at fault for that deck was pretty inconsistent in terms of his passing as well. So, you know, a combination of those two getting together and figuring things out this offseason, I think he can make huge strides. I just still think that there always is a every

in every room. There needs to be a veteran that, even if that veterans not starting, there needs to be a guy that everybody can when things are down and things everybody's fresh at that you can still look to it that dude. It could be like, hey, chill out, young Wood, Like you know what I'm saying, Like this is always just how it needs to go. I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it,

but I still want to put it out there. You don't consider Michael Gallup and James Robinson to be veterans in that room? Jahington Washington, Yeah, I don't know enough about James Washington as a as a player, you know, in the locker room, and to speak on that. I do think that Michael Gallup has has the capability of being that guy in the room. Unfortunately, when you're coming off of injury, people look at you sideways. That's just

the reality. So it's hard unless you're unless you're a guy who's just been around the league for a minute, you're not going to be that dude sitting there with a knee brace on, or a guy that's really having with britt Brown, you know, for most of the day and didn't be able to step in that meeting room and be that dude he's just with it coming the way that it did on a touchdown grab and a big, high, high visible game. I mean in the ACL tear being

visible from the beginning. And I'm not saying that it's not a possibility. I'm just saying what the tendency is that people if it doesn't matter unless you're just a high arching player, if you're injured, you're you're the guy over there, and it sucks. I've been that guy over there a lot, you know. But that's really what it is. And I've seen that with veterans. I've seen that with you know, rookies. It's just you have to work your way back into it. Now. Once he's healthy, of course,

he can step right back into that mold. But when is he going to be healthy? It's the question. So as long as as long as CD, as long as as long as I'm Gallup is injured, I think CD is the guy that everybody's going to be looking to, and I'm not sure that he's ready for that responsibility. I think that he's fully capable of taking care of himself right now, but I think he's still figuring out himself. It is hard to be a leader and figure yourself

out simultaneously. Does that make sense, Yeah, yeah, so I think that's where he's at right now. I could be completely wrong, but just visually what I see, I think he's still trying to figure out who Cede Lamb is in this NFL. I think the expectation is for him to take that next step, and not only on the field production, but exactly the way that you're talking about it.

He has to step up as a leader. He has to step up as somebody that that room can turn to, and having another veteran in the in the mix would would help with that. I definitely think that. But it also reminds me of the running back position over the last couple of years too, with all these undrafted running backs. You look at it like a Rico dowdle a Shay

wa Alana Lua, who was released this past weekend. Guys like that who have made impacts from an undrafted standpoint, just because there hasn't been a whole lot of running back depth outside of the Zekes and the Tony Pollards that I feel like that kind of looks That's what the wide receiver room looks like right now, with four undrafted free agents and then a couple guys that you've added throughout as well. I think there's space for that. Like I mean, han, I'm just saying that there's an

opportunity there. I mean, if they go out of a veteran wide receiver, then no, I don't think so. I'm not even sure they're going to do that. I mean I know that that was a whisper that they tried to do that before the draft. And you're right, like Gallup could miss multiple games in September, it's very it's possible. Yeah, And to your point, like the elder statesman on in this group is Noah Brown. This is his six year Yeah, he's twenty six years old. Michael Gallops twenty six, CD's

twenty three. It's a it's a young group, but that's that's what they factored in when they made this decision with the Maris that we're gonna be young and guys are gonna have to to elevate, and some guys on the back end that I think have a chance to compete. We've talked about SIMI uh, you mentioned the undrafted guys, but there are the veteran guys that are gonna come in. They were eligible to participate in this rookie camp. TJ. Vasher's in that group out last year with the knee injury.

Brandon Smith was a guy. He was on the practice squad last year and they big wide receiver. I think they sounded like they kind of looked at him like maybe future Noah Brown type guy who can develop and also help us on special teams. So just some other guys to watch. But you're right, they are young, and

it's you know, Jalen Tilbert. It's a third round draft pick, but you're sure looking at him right now like he's gonna have to step in and start because we're talking about I mean, they play eleven personnel two thirds of the time. He's a starter, you know, gotta be. And they look at him as his second round guy too. They don't look at guy. They look at him as a second round pick that they just basically went a different direction and then got lucky that he was there

in the third either way. So yeah, I think starting, starting is the expectation for Jalen Tober. We'll continue answering some of these questions on the other side of the break. Give us a call. We're going to take your calls. You're on talking Cowboys. It's been a while since we've gotten to talk to cowboys Nation eight eight eight eight five five two two nine and seven. Once again, give us a call or ask a question on Twitter eight eight eight five two two nine seven. We'll get to

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and current Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Visit Dallas Cowboys dot com Slash Academy to learn more and secure your spot today. Those are wonderful camps, by the way, my children were last year. Danny mccraie runs it upstairs. Awesome camp. Nice awesome camp. I've heard that even every year it gets better but I mean, they do a really good job of it every single year. And of course I don't have any children to send to it, but I've heard just through the grape vine then it gets better every year.

So I say a standback and to make up an appearance out at youth camp this year. I have not been reached out too, but I might have to do so, maybe able to get the get they get the ball moving on that one. All right, So it's been a while since we've talked to Cowboys Nation. Let's talk about some Cowboys questions from our friends out there. I'm gonna take the first one off of Twitter. How do all

of our interior offensive linemen compare in size? And which ones could help the Cowboys to return to the run first offense. So some of the new guys that they're gonna put inside, along with Tyler Biottish, along with Connor McGovern, how do they all compare and who is going to help the Cowboys establish that run game again and try and balance this offense out a little bit more. I mean, size wise, Tyler Smith is huge. Hey, he's a big kid, six five three twelve running to the left. Yeah, I

mean that's yeah, we're sized up there, man. Yeah, that's the biggest reason why they drafted him, I think, plus the tackle flexibility, which I don't think we're going to see that anytime real soon unless something happens on the left side with Tyran Smith. But that's the biggest reason why he's here. You know, Tyler Biodish is not the biggest center, so I think you're trying to I think

that was We've talked about it. That was an issue in certain matchups when you have Connor Williams at left guard, Tyler Biottish at center, and you're facing certain matchups that's

been a problem for them. So but if you look at and PFF's not the be all end all, but if you look at Tyrn Smith and Zach Martin's grads when they were on the field last year, it's pretty good, you know, and they're hoping and they're hoping Terence Steal can take a step forward in that regard to So looking at Tyler Smith six foot five, three twenty five, yeah, three twenty five is his And then you look at like Connor Williams, I mean he was what six five

three twenty or no, six five three fifteen, So He's about ten pounds lighter than Tyler Smith and about the same size. But you can look at the two I mean, it was a it's a different build for those those guys. Tyler Smith is is much more ready for the NFL, I think than Connor Williams was at the point when he entered the league, and you'll probably see that early on.

Do you expect him to start from the beginning at left guard because Mike McCarthy didn't want to commit to that, neither that Joe Philbin when we talked to him as well, doesn't want to commit to it, but he committed to the left side. Yeah, that's all we heard. Is he the front runner or the expected starter at left guard? Or we jump of the gun played X receiver, He's gonna play a little tight end. I'm sorry, maybe Simmons, maybe simonside linebacker, help out that deft play the left side. Well,

we know he's not playing a left tackle. You know he's not playing a center. Yep. Well there's still yeah. I think they are looking at him as the backup left tackle though. That's the Yeah, he's a backup left tackle. But there's an all Pro guys still sitting there. But either way, the significance about him saying that was that he didn't want to commit to him saying, hey, our first round pick is going to be a starter at left goal. Well, they want him to come, come in,

compete and win the job. Over over, Connor McGovern, I don't think they make I don't think they make that pick unless they think he can. Why are you looking at me like that. Name the last first round pick that did not start? Please? I mean there's you have to win the job. I mean I'm not I'm not saying he won't, but I'm saying that that that's he hasn't played guards since your year of heights, hear you.

So he's got to come in and win it. If I could finish, I'm saying if he he he would not have been the pick if they didn't think he could step in. And so that's that's the expectation. But left left tackle, no, I think what they're trying to do is keep him on one side. If you remember Terrence Steele trying to switch from right tackle the left tackle in the middle of the season that didn't go

so well. Yeah, and you talk to guys about doing that sometimes and it's like almost like changeing writing with a different hand. So they just want to keep him on one side, keep Josh Ball I think, at right tackle and just see how it goes. But if he's not the starting left guard, then that that's it's not a bus but it's just that's you know, that's the hope because you because you want your first round pick step in and do something right away. Yeah, he will

be playing left guard. Everything that Rob Pete just said is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, there's not a level playing field when it comes to the NFL and who gets the money and when you're drafted, the commitments and all that jazz. He will be playing left guard. It's not a he's gonna compete. He's gonna compete for it. But McGovern knows if he sneezes wrong, he's there. He's yeah, Smith's in there. Yeah, all right, let's take our first call. Maurice in Tacoma

up there and okay and action in the house. I don't know if he went to Washington, Maurice, but welcome to talking cowboy. I hope he's a you dope guy. Guy you want to send its good with you man already stinking down Tacktown. I hear you, yes, sir, yes, sir. So my question is kind of more of a concern he just couldn't get it down last season, and I seemly in a different direction. I wonder what you guys think as far as your concerns with the kicking game

this year, we d better well. Thank you, very good question, Maurice. And I think that it's a decent concern about really anybody around Cowboys Nation right now because you have two guys that were both undrafted free agents, both local wish sort of kids. You've got Jonathan Garabay, rookie from Texas deck who was who was good from a pat staydpoint in college. Of course it's different in the NFL, but he was also hit or miss from forty five plus for the Red Raiders. And then you've got Chris is

it Nagar from SMU who. I mean, there's really not a whole lot of a lot of scouting report on that side. Do you expect maybe a veteran kicker to be in the conversation. The fact that it hasn't already been is a bit shocking. Now, I think they're gonna start with open competitions in the parking lot. They're gonna find a kicker. It's gonna it's gonna happen. They're not gonna go into the season unsure of where they are.

And I think Greg the leg for the last couple of years benefited from his relationship with Fossil, but he became a liability. It's at certain points I think you all were like, man, if we get close up, do we even trust him? And so for the guy like Garabay that comes in, I saw of YouTube with him kicking like a seventy yard sixty eight yard field goal, But then what gives me the willies is not really good with forty forty five in, we kind of need

you to be good from there. Yeah, that's kind of where you need to be on What were your thoughts on these teams that were drafting kickers in the fourth round. Kade York is a good kicker. There's like two or three of them that win. You shouldn't have been a fourth round kicker. There was a kicker and then a couple of punters that they it was they drafted, Yeah,

but it was I don't know. There may have been another kicker in there, but I know Kaed York was the first one off the board, and that was expected. Did it ever cross your money in the fourth No, I'm talking about for Dallas in the fifth. Yes, yeah, one of those four fifth round picks. Absolutely, it crossed my mind. I would have clamored for it. Think everybody was thinking that Cameron Dicker was going to be a kicker. Apparently he Apparently he is not held in high regard

at a NFL. Apparently he wasn't very good toward the end of his career as a kicker. He's a good punter. His first team all big to a punter. He did both for Texas last year. But early in his career it was kind of like like a big name for him that the media kind of hopped on, and I guess late it fizz fizzled out a little bit, and then they moved in the punter. Oh oh, what's going on?

And I said, proceed proceeding, move on. Dane Brugler had him Garabay, Jonathan Garabay, who the Cowboys signed fourth among kickers, and his beast guide so nice, and he was the guy John Fossil liked. Supposedly that was the guy he wanted, and bones gets who Bones. It was just about So it's kind of kind of the common theme here is that Bones gets who he wants. We'll see they don't. I mean, you know, they don't have a they don't

have a proven guy. So but Dan Bailey wasn't proven when he came in either, so hopefully it'll work out for him. A good point. It's a good point, all right, Josh and Maryland this on the line. Josh, how's it going on the East coast down there? Hey, can't complaint Fellers to funding getting warm out here? How y'all feeling good? Man? Fantastic? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. So I got real quick questions basically based around the linebackers that we got here because I was

pretty much satisfied with the draft. I think all the Cowboys trans was because we got our knees. No real star players or nothing like that. But you really ain't like to pick a furtherest, and you wanted to get to do from Alabama. But don't you think because it looked like they both gonna be red shirt in this year, him and Clark, don't you think Clark is just as good as he was coming out to date in two with this man? Layton vander As Specton. Yeah, under Damn Quinn,

do you think he takes another step forward? Or do y'all think we see all that we saw from him, because I thought he had a good season last ship, but they don't look like teams around the league did. So that's just my question. Appreciate the finders think of my call. Appreciate you, Josh, start with you, Isaiah. He's talking about Nakobe Dean from Georgia versus Damon Clark from LSU, who the Cowboys did so lat Yeah, I think they're

both very productive players. I do like the speed and the I don't want to say the reckless abandonment of the Kobe Dean, but I like the fact that he's a wrecker. He just wrecks stuff, and you have that in Michael Parsons. He just wrecks stuff right from numerous positions.

So I like the idea of when Michael Parsons decided, when they decided to walk him down to the line of scrimmage, having somebody with the same characteristics to be able to wreck some things at the second level being that we like to just run with two linebackers at a time. So I like that idea that has nothing to do with the fact that Damon Clark can go out there and make plays. Nothing nothing against him. I hope that he goes out there and wrecked some things

as well. But I'm just going off with what I know about Nakobe Dean. That was the one element that you just knew was going to be present. When he's on the field, he's gonna he's gonna disrupt some things. And I like that idea, but I'm looking forward to

seeing Clark. And that's why that's why Bobby Wagner was so attractive to you, just because you knew what his wheelhouse was and what he could do as a linebacker, and also being able to use Michael Parsons the way that you know Dan Quinn is going to try and move use him. He's gonna move around a lot. So that's why Leyden vander Ess right now is very important

to the equation. And without them going into the draft and sort of addressing it on even now in free agency, not having addressed it, your eyes are kind of open to to say what's going to happen with the linebacker room. But I think you know there's a story Jackson from Liberty the linebacker. He is a kid that you know, there are going to be some kids on this, some men on this in the linebacker room, that have a decent opportunity to make this roster, especially through special teams.

As you always note, but we have to do something about what we have because we don't have what you would think is a proven commodity at the linebacker position right now. Aaron Hansford also Texas A and M highly regard good player. I mean that that's that's the name to watch. I mean when you're talking about an undrafted guy who could step in and maybe earn a job. Devin Harper, the sixth round pick, is somebody that could

get a spot as a special teams guy. I don't know about within the defensive rotation, but but he man, he was there for six years and he was mainly a special teams guy, reserve linebacker till his last year of college, and he blew up last year. So do you think that they added anybody to push vander Ish? I feel like they added people on the outside on a parameter, But did do you feel like they added anybody to challenge vander Ish? I think they're expecting that

to come from Jabril Cox. He's not a mic, I know, but that's that's that's what I'm talking about, the mic position, specifically the mic I don't know, probably not, yeah, And that's I'm like, I think they're expecting him to come in and play significant snaps because a lot of the times they're gonna go with two linebackers. They're gonna show what that Nickel said. They're not gonna have all three

shire backers out there. I think Cox is more of the spot, absolutely, But I'm saying, like, you need a Mic James defense in that regard to and this defense, you need a mic. Yeah, you need a sound mike, which is why I was, you know, I'm with the hards on a boby tray. You need somebody who's gonna stand up there and take onlineman. Yeah, you have to have that guy. And I don't believe that they addressed that particular area in terms of having somebody to push Vanderish.

I feel like they put the hat on him, was like, hey, this is your spot again, go run with it. They didn't. They didn't add any depth to anybody even remotely challenge him. That may tell you how they intend on operating as a defense without them addressing it. I mean, they're kind of giving you the brick RUMs to how they're going to operate as a defense if they are going into the season saying Laden Vandersh is our guy. The only thing that I have about Laden is can he stay

healthy through an entire season? That's still going to be the question, and that's why I want to address it. And I think any that's why I say, are you asleep at the wheel? Because you know what problems he's had. It starts as far as staying available. And I don't doubt that that Devin Harper can step in. But you just stated, I mean his ability to get on the field is going to be through what he does. And special teams ask for all of these guys in the

linebacker room. I don't think they're looking at any of these guys to be instant defense. And even with Jabriel coming back from the ACL injury, there's going to be some residual from that and we should expect it and I look forward. I love you know, I love Dan Quinn and I love his defenses. His However, my only concern, and that's my dog. My only concern is that this high flying, fast defense that he's been known to have and that worked on the West Coast and worked in

atl and obviously worked last year. The NFC East is starting to go back to the roots of the NFC East in terms of bullyball, in terms of talk about big, physical, just move you off the ball type seven come on now,

So like that's what it's turning back into. So my only inkling of a concern comes at the fact that are fast, you know, are fast hybrid linebackers that can run around and disrupt things and run around and hit people if lineman get up to them, if lineman get up to them, the way that the NFC East lineman is starting to turn out, people are drafting big boy linebacker, big boy lineman. Dallas drafted a big boy lineman, right. Everybody's going back to run first, throw second. Can they

handle that with their current size. That's my only concern and the reason why I wanted somebody to come in and challenge vander Esh because if you needed to put two vander Eshes out there, you have that size to put two six four two hundred and forty pound two hundred fifty pound linebackers and say Okay, you want to run the ball, and let's go two hundred and thirty pounds in two hundred and forty five pounds. Is a

major difference is at the linebacker position. Major. Yeah, it's a chess game because you're you're trying to it's moved. The defenses has moved to more of this hybrid look because you got it, because the way the passing game is now and you've got That's why janeron Curses is kind of a chess piece. You move around. You love Mica because he can cover and he's got the closing speed and all that, but can't the run game is part of it too. Can you stand up against the run?

Can your interior lineman stand up against the run? I don't know if John Riwick. We got a mailback question about can John Ridgeway and and Quentin Bohannah be part of a double just a big fifty page part of your package. It's like, I don't know about that dash cans full of dirt. I do love it. I don't know if both guys make the team, but they're trying to do They're they're trying to address that. It was some with some beef inside but we'll see if it

works out. Let's take our second break. We got a couple, We've got a couple more calls. Is that crazy to say, I don't mean, I don't it's not. I mean we just messing with you. I mean I think I don't know. Quinn Bohanna was a sixth round pick and he played some last year. Yeah, but not a ton. Let's take our second break. Pastor Q will get to you, Ryot after this. You're listening to talking cowboys on Dallas. Cowboys do new Doctor Peppers zero sugar? You deserve it. I

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do more on Talking Cowboys. Welcome back everybody, Isaiah stand Backhack, My Harrison, Rob Phillips, Kyle Yeoman's and now joined by our friend down and Alexandria Virginia Pastor Q on the phone. Now, what's up? You're on Talking Cowboys? Guys? How you guys doing man casting? Great man? Listen. I called in yesterday to hanging into with the boys and and he got a question it and I want to do someone to follow up with you all as well, um, but mainly

about the receiving Corps. I know that we don't have Coop and I felt that last year, going twelve and five of those games we didn't have him. We could have used him, but we were still in those games. So the question that I have for you is with the undrafted free agent that we have coming in name A Drumming and I think Fry Frogle and um and t J. Bascher, who I think is going to be a stud. We have some pieces there, but why not

look at Tony Pollard as our Deebo Samuel. I mean, here is a guy that can run it out of the backfield. He played receiver in college. Maybe we just need to scheme up some more and um trying to get him some more uses because he's going to be a UM I'm gonna shoot the free agent after this year, and I kind of don't want to say him walk.

I think it's valuable. I just want to get your thoughts on that and how you see about the receiving court and how we can use Pollard um, you know, kind of as a Swiss army knife, kind of like they use parsons on the defense. Heck, then thank you for that question. Yeah, you like that idea, right, of course I do. I've been I've been clamoring for it I wanted, but this question was, you know obviously about drumming and Bascher and guys that are on the backside

of our um of the roster actually making it. I think that's going to be the stretch for these guys. I do believe that they're going to bring in a veteran, a proven veteran. I think somebody. There are a lot of teams that are not yet done cutting guys. We still got to go in the camp and so someone will emerge from that group. But I think I go back to what I was saying before about dan Quinn. In the linebacker room, you could tell that they hadn't done anything of note in the wide receiver room. So

they obviously have plans for other guys. And when you know you talk about the pressure that's on individual groups to perform, the wide receiver group is one that you're going to have the spotlight firmly on it. I mean for CD Lamb as you place it, he has to know that there are whispers out there that he's not considered to be the upper echelon. And I think for Dak it's going to be for him to prove that

CD is one of those upper echelon receivers. But I think of that group that we're looking at, you will probably have a guy emerge that you probably were not thinking about. And you pointed to the guy earlier, Smith that was on the roster before. I mean, they're just names and there's a lot of opportunity in the wide receiver room. So yeah, going back to Tony Pollard versus Deebo Samuel, my initial thought was Tony Pollard's not as

big as Deebo Samuel. However it's only four pounds. Yeah, but the Saint side of the build, it is a different build. Bill, I was about this, I was getting there. But you look at you look at the strength from Deebo Samuel. I don't think it's out of the question that you could do something similar with Tony Pollard. Doesn't mean he's Deebo Samuel two point oh, but you could use him in similar ways. Cowboys have done it before. Think about the Saints game last year, the one where

he actually started with the planter fasciitis. That game, I mean they used him in the backfield, they used him on sweeps, they used him in the receiving game. That's something I think that needs to be an element of this offense and an established more because I don't even think he really got a chance to get into a rhythm in twenty twenty one as a guy who they put to the outside as a receiver running back hybrid TPS fully capable, he's fully capable of fulfilling that that

Deebo samuel ish role here in Dallas. However, Deebo Samuel doesn't even want to fulfill the Deebo samuel Ish role because of the way and tear on your body, and so understand what comes with that. Yes he can TP can go out there and make all the plays for you backfield, being the reth receiver position. He could do all that fully capable talent out out the wazoo, but

his body's gonna take a toll. So if you think that that Zeke, you would like to have a beat down Zeke and a beat down TP, go ahead, But you need you need somebody to be here one hundred percent. But you think, I just look at what Philly did in the acquisition of a J. Brown. You know they got a J. Browne I I am because you know, look you got a J. DeVante. How you missing is Casey and Joe, Joe, it's coming. I mean, you have

a lot of talent and then not. But the way that they're gonna use a j. Brown and they have to do it with motion. He may be with the with the contract that he has, they they may use him in the backfield. Don't forget that the Philly was still leading the league in Russian last year. But I think the NFL has caught wind of what Shanahan is doing with the forty nine ers and they want to

try and use their slot guys like that. Now will they be at the end of the season at the contract time saying hey, you better pay me as a running back and a receiver. That's you have to be seen. But I think in the NFL there's a new way that teams are using this wide open concept in the offense with the slot receivers. Yeah, and I think it's something that they could grow on and established more from Callen Moore, maybe it opens the playbook a little bit more.

It just that threat is enough for defenses to have a bit of hesitation. And that's why I'm with FACMA. Doesn't mean you have to do it at one hundred percent of the time. It doesn't mean, you have to put more. You got to use it on Tony Pollard, but at least have it in the bag. We talk about the bag and getting deeper. Let's deep in what's widened that bag as much as possible? All Right, Lynn from California is on the line, our final call here

on this talking Cowboys Tuesday. Lynn, what's going on? Good morning? Nice? How are you more and more fantastic? Thanks for taking my call? Hey, I'm sorry, but tell me what tape you saw on this Ridgeway kid from Arkansas, This defensive tackle that made Dallas point to him and say, that's the guy that's going to help us stop the run because I can't find it. He's big, but he doesn't play big. He doesn't play with pop and then tight end they picked. I like him. He's got sticky hands

As a receiver, he's a crafty, willing blocker. He's not a rogue grader, but he gets in the way and he knows his angles. So if we go into twelve personnel, this guy ends up being a good pick. What two receivers are in the huddle in twelve? So two questions tape on Ridgeway that points to him being the guy and who are the two receivers and twelve? Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate your call in and

I get the pause on a guy like Ridgeway. But first things first, you gotta remember this was a fifth round pick. It was one of four fifth round pick, so it's not like they were making this selection in the top one hundred. They were jumping out of the cake for this guy. They made a selection based on value of a guy that was valued around the third

or the fourth round. And that's a league standpoint. The ATP sheets that we get the adjusted production league sheets, that is a league wide thing said third or fourth round. So the league thought he was a third or a fourth round pick. But I watched the Georgia game, the Alabama game, in the Old Miss game. Because I don't really mess around with tape. I try and get as many guys out there as possible. So I go to the big schools first, and then I watch what he

does there. I said, powerful smart player, use his great technique and strength to win at the point of attack. Run stuffer who anchors the middle with ease and is a tough guy to move off his spot. So He's not necessarily a pass producer. He's not a pass rusher that's going to break through the middle of your defense. He's ultimately gonna have a ton of sacks. He only had two sacks with Arkansas. With his one year he

had fourth tackles for loss. What his job is to do as the nose tackle is that one technique or a zero technique is to sit in the middle and let the guys around him form a pocket and to just anchor the defensive line. That's what you want him to do, and that's what they saw in the fifth round as a guy's saying, hey, we've seen him do it before. We've seen him do it against some of the best offensive linemen in the country in terms of

the SEC and in terms of Alabama Georgia. He did it on a consistent occasion and he provided run stuffing ability. That's the kind of thing that they're looking at to supplement a guy like a Quentin Bohanna. Ridgeway right now is better than Quentin Bohanna. I think that, like no doubt in my mind, he's better than Quentin Bohanna. Doesn't mean he's gonna come in and light the world on fire, and he's gonna be the number one defensive tackle in

all of the NFC East. Doesn't mean that's the case, but he can't come in and provide a little bit of an impact in the run defense. There, Yeah, twelve tackles for loss over his career Arkansas, Iinois State and like, yeah, right, it's a dark throw in the fifth round. And if he makes the team, he'll be an early round, early down guy to help stuff to run on third down, you're gonna get your best pass rushers on the field. Yeah, So that's that's that's the kind of role you're looking for.

And maybe a guy Brent Urban filled that a little bit when he was healthy. You're hoping a young guy like that could come in and grow into that role. But that is an important role. May just point one hundred and sixty nine rushing yards that San Francisco had in the playoff game. One more thing to add on Ridgeway. He was recruited as an offensive tackle, moved to defensive tackle early in his career at Illinois State, and then after a couple of years, then he transferred to Arkansas

and was good at Arkansas. Had no drop off from going from an Illinois State where you're playing in FCS ball and then you turn around and you're playing in the SEC. And he was able to see that there's a ceiling with this guy that has not been hit and in the SEC against i mean, the biggest, most powerful offensive lines in the conference. So they've seen a little bit of that from him, so it's worth it was worthless shots see if he can develop. The second

question was surrounding the wide receiving corps. Right, anybody remember what? Yeah, it was a two receivers in twelve. There you go. You think, how are you going with? I think you go right now, right now, right now, right right now, right now. Uh so gallup out of the equation, Yeah, I think you're a CD and James Washington personally not Toilbert, No, why, just don't know. It's just a question mark drafting. Yeah, okay, I think he'd be changed after the sure thing either

go with the sure thing. Obviously one's gallup is healthy than a CD and gallup. Yeah, that's where it sat right now. I gotta I gotta see the rookie. I gotta see him. Yeah, I think it would be I think I'm I'm with you right now, but I think there's a very good competition that's going to be had between James Washington and Jaylen Tilbert. I'm sure I like Jaylen Tilburt a lot. I think he'll win that job. But right now I agree with you just haven't seen him.

So James Washington has seen a lot of ball. If we played tomorrow, I go with the vet he's seen a lot people. I gotta understand that when you're looking at people, look at the character risks and capabilities and receivers. People don't. You can't see the savvyiness people. He has so much savviness to him, and he understands. He understands the route, he understands the concepts. He understands exactly where where he sits in those different particular concepts. He understands

defenses in this league. Those are things that you can't expect a Rikie to come in understanding. Rickie might have exceptional talent, but if he doesn't have those other aspects, the savvy Vets always gonna win. That's one thing Will McClay kept talking about him though, in terms of his football IQ to adjust to those things. But you got you gotta come in and be able to do it and do it quickly to beat out of vet early.

What are your thoughts on that real quick? No, I just know, I just think that I'm with you, Isaiah. The sure thing is where I'm gonna go. We don't know exactly what the other player, the rookie is going to to offer, so gotta go there first. But the thing about Ridge Way, I just want to go back to that is, you know, back to your point, Isaiah, with the linebackers, they have to be able to share and run, and you want to have that one technique, year old technique or three technique to be able to

hold up those blockers. And you get a body six six, three hundred and twenty pounds with Bohannah, and when they go to the jumbo package, you know obviously that's where you're going to be able to allow your fast guys to get off the ball and run the bathtub plug You remember the old plugs. Did you just put in the bathtub thick ones? Yeah, so that's what you guys. You guys, don't bring up Gallimore no more. Is he just like he's a three technique because this is a

different role. Okay, I would say it's different Warner. Maybe he put on weight. Maybe, yeah, he could have. I haven't seen him in a while. By the way, we started this show making a joke about Tom Brady. The numbers are out on his contract. So what the Fox is and we don't even know when it's gonna start. You don't even know when it's gonna start. You've seen it right now. Twenty five a year, more to ten years,

three hundred and seventy five years, bring good people. Thirty seven and a half million a year to be a broadcaster for ten years for Fox? What's Romo make seventeen seventeen? Whoa, he's more than double Tony Romo. He's put twenty mill on Tony's deal. Oh, that's unbelievable. That's shocking. That's been reported by the New York Post. And this is coming from the company that didn't pay Troy Aikman enough to keep him around, and then they throw out three seventy

five for Tom Brady. What's Tom making this year to play? He's gonna make way more yelly? All right, that's gonna do it for talking cowboys. We're all going to reevaluate our career decisions, and we will be back with you next Tuesday to talk about rookie Minicamp, what we've seen, and we get ready for OTA's coming up in a couple of weeks for Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback, Heckma Harrison,

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