Talkin' Cowboys: Know Your Role

get you up through the Cowboys off season. Yea hey, that sounds familiar. Can we can we hear that one more time? Yeah, it's Chrisp. It's Crisp. We got Rodeose in Rodeose and let's stats and sponsor h I am for that for that. I went. I went to Luke Combs at at and T Stadium and it was so good. I mean, I'm I'm very broad with my music. I

just love music in general. I'll listen a little bit of everything, so Luke Combs and and really I haven't started listening to Luke Combs until the last about about a year, and he's really really good. I went to that concert. He was fantastic. The stadium was gorgeous, it was packed, it was loud, it was energetic, a lot of really really good show, lots of fun stuff. At at you found out why people loved Luke's exactly. Yeah he was. He was really good. Yeah, really good. And

I was the reason. I say that because I was sad because I didn't have a cowboy hat to work. I didn't have the western hat. I'm I'm a born and raised Texan. Stet born and raised Texan. You have boots. Yeah, I have boots, and I wore the boots. Okay, the boots he just did. He just didn't have the hat. Yeah, you were telling us in your head. Next, I do have a stets and hat, but it was its lord to the show one. Yeah that was not. That one was not a sesting. I do have a stetsin tho. Okay,

yeah that one was not. The stetson looks way better. Yeah, yeah, I need to see this alleged states and oh it's it's nice. Yeah. Next, he almost were for pregame, but we had headsets on. If we next, we would have had it outside, but it wouldn't work. Stessing you guys, hear that we're all for it. We're here. I think I think I'm the only one on this show that hasn't worn a cowboy hat because yeah, I was wearing

Victory Mondays. I was wearing for Victory Mondays. But that was the that was the Ford Brandon one shouts out the Ford. Yeah, um, you know that. Yeah, but yeah, I need an actual because I've been I've been in Texas long enough. And for those that don't know, and I don't know how you couldn't know, I am. I'm a boy to Bridge, Georgia boy. But I've been in Texas about half a decade. Now it's time for some some boots, adopted stuts. You're adopted. Yeah, it's time with

some boots and the Stitts. I agree, I agree, it's time. All right. Well, now that we've gotten that out of the way, And for those of you who don't don't know, that was Isaiah in the Yeehaw and it was from our last episode where we had a lot of fun, so you should go back and listen to that one as well. I also made a joke in that that episode that nothing's gonna happen between now and then We're gonna have nothing to talk about coming into this Tuesday

from a transaction standpoint. I was joking, but nothing has happened in terms of the Cowboys transactionally well true, but it's hirely true. That's kind of where I'm leading. Entirely true. Okay, So it was a note what would Rob do and we're gonna do it how Rob would do on WrestleMania week with coming up coming off the top rope with news and notes. So I can't recall if we mentioned this, but mentioned it just as a fail safe. Dante Fowler

back in the building on a one year deal. That's an underrated and probably underappreciated resigning by most Cowboys fans. But for those that know, no, Dante Fowler absolutely had a resurgent year his first season reuniting with Dan Quinn. Obviously they spent time together with the Atlanta Falcons. That's good.

Jerry Jones, speaking from the owners meetings, the league meetings, I should say, in Phoenix on yesterday, yesterday being Monday, said that there has been quote unquote progress towards the resigning of Jonathan Hankins. That will be huge pun intended if they can get Jonathan Hankins back on the contract, So good news for the Cowboys fans. There it is in the works. It looks like it could happen. Fingers

crossed that it does. Stephen Jones yesterday evening from the same league meetings in Phoenix, said that not only do the Cowboys want Hankins, but they want Carlos Watkins as well, another underrated, unheralded guy who did some great things for the Cowboys and Dan Quinn in twenty twenty two. So the Cowboys are actively working on both Hankins and Watkins returning to the Ross tension. Yeah, fantastic because there you go.

As far as those who are hoping that the Cowboys shore up that run defense, it begins, for my money, it begins with keeping Jonathan Hankins in the building and then building out from that Carlos Watkins as some other guys like Quentin behinded to step up, Chauncey Ghost and you saw what osa Odigize was able to do, and that's kind of what we talked about in the last show. We talked about Hankins specifically, and what he does so well is allow for the guys around him to play free.

Absolutely and Isaiah, you broke it down on film room. At one point throughout the season. When there are other players, these these big nose tackles, these big beefy guys on the line of scrimmage, they're getting either pushed back or they're staying still. Jonathan Hankins wasn't getting pushed back or standing still. He was moving forward. In the comparison to that was done Terry Pole. Yeah right, that was that was the That's who was supposed to be Hankins. Hankins,

absolutely right. So if you Cowboys Nation, if you guys remember done Terry Pole, right, we appreciate his services, but he's own and gone gone now, Okay, he was going backwards or lateral, okay. You don't want a large human being who's meant to his sole role is to clog up the holes, okay, and force the offensive players to run around him or your defensive guys to be able

to flow through the lanes without being uninhibited. Right, don Terry Pole was getting pushed backwards okay, and sometimes sideways okay, So he was causing greater holes for the offensive player. Contrary to that. Now, all of a sudden, you have a big Jonathan Hankins who comes in and obviously comes forward. So now he's literally moving the line of scrimmage in the direction that is advantageous to your defense. That allows not only for two guys and now have to try

to stick on one guy. So you're taking two of the five offensive linement and isolating them to that one player on your defense. But what does that do to your linebackers? Now your linebackers all of a sudden, now they can see clear I can see clearly right now, the linebackers can see clearly. Okay, it's important and I always relate it back to the times when when Ray Right you talk about big Ray Lewis, you talk about some of the some of the greatest linebackers in history

had big horses in front of them. They had dudes that were able to clog up those Because those those holes and allow for these guys to free flow. Not only can they run through, but they can see clear right and they can make moves, they can make their their proper adjustments necessary to go out there and go and make a big play for attackle for a loss or or no no yardage at all. So would have a clear eye view at that point, I wasn't gonna go there. I made that mistake one time, so I

mean that's important. So I hope I hope there goes a h word again that they could bring Big Jonathan Hankins back and then add on to it because what we saw last year, as impactful as he was in that role, when he was gone due to injury, it was a void. Yeah oh yeah, right. The best case scenario for Dallas is to obviously retain him because you have the sure thing, and then try to redo what they what they rolled the dice on last year. Right last year, they they brought in uh help me, help

me with the name who on the defensive line? Yeah? Yeah, who they who they draft? Who they drafted? Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. H Yeah, sorry, Big John Ridgeway. They tried this last year. So let's let's let's not say the front office didn't do their job. That might have been tried. They might have gotten rid of him a little bit too soon, maybe a little bit too what. I don't want to say that, because the roster was

they were they didn't want to let go a John. Yeah, and we and we spoke about it at the time. It was a pure numbers game. Absolutely, they took the risk in thinking that Ridgeway clear waivers and they could get him back on the practice squad commanders were like, no, they So the Cowboys were actually upset that they lost Ridgeway. Yeah, don't played well last year. He did play well for

Washington last year. He went to a D line university, okay out there in Washington and they they're utilizing him. But to your point, that was a numbers game. So the front office tried to address this last year. It's just that at that point in time in his development, they couldn't afford to roll the dice and risk whether he was going to develop or not develop for the guys that they had on the defensive line that were

sure things at that point in time. So I think that they're going to try to address it again, but they need to find out where they're at, numbers wise in each position when the votes well for the Cowboys.

That as we have this conversation now where on the second day of Week three or free agency and Jonathan Hankins it's still a free agent, which tells me that there is mutual interests, not obviously not only from the Cowboys, but Jonathan Hankins has interests in returning to the Cowboys, and as these days progress, you know, business wise, the price just becomes more and more flexible, I should say. So that works in the Cowboys favor and that's why

I think that this deal gets done. Knock on wood. And you got to think about the timing of how those events conspired last year, because you had you had the first release rather or whenever the waiver pickup was there for John Ridgeway, that's when you lost Ridgeway. Then a couple of weeks later is when you traded for Hankins. So there was a void there for a little bit right where there was nothing up front, and you could see it on the defensive line that you could see

how much that was. So you've seen it all three ways. You've seen it with a young developmental prospect with John Ridgeway throughout the early parts of training camp, preseason, early parts of the season. Then you saw him without one of those big hog Miley's upfront, and then you turned it around you added Jonathan Hankins, and then you saw it without Jonathan Hankins whenever he was injured last year as well, go get you a big guy in the middle,

go get you one. Let's do it for the biggest both. Sorry. Oh I was about to say hold up, Sorry guys, somebody went full of rows. All right. So to a lesser but also intriguing note in news and notes, we have Jersey assignments. Okay, So Chimney Dolga offensive lineman recently signed last week, I should say he has been a sign number seventy one. Ronald Jones, two times Super Bowl winning running back, has been a signed number thirty two.

And here's where he gets spicy. So Brandon Cooks, first of all, has been a signed number three for those that know, that number belonged to Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown remains a free agent at the moment, still recovering from his injury. This doesn't this doesn't necessarily mean that Anthony Brown why not be back, But the Cowboys are taking a real cautious approach on that because again, he is recovering from a recent injury that he suffered. And we'll

see how it goes. But put an asterisk next to that, and what I'm about to say next, because I need to explain the asterisk the footnote. Stefan Gilmore has been a signed number twenty one ladies and gentle win number twenty. I'm sign one more time. Stefani Gilmore has been assigned number twenty one if any Dallas Cowboy being a signed number twenty one. But but okay, that's a cold world. So yeah, so this is a cold, cold world. There are no twofold on this one. On one note, that

stings because the body's not cold yet. On another note, it's kind of exciting from the cornerback position because the last most impactful. I mean, you could talk about some guys who had some impact like a Mike Jenkins and m pac Mann on the field when in his short time with the Cowboys. But Dion coach Prime, Yes, that's what I was going. You're right, Coach. You gotta Dallas cornerback wearing twenty one. And it's not like it's a rookie wearing twenty one that needs to prove himself like

Mike Jenkins came out the league and got the tw No. No, no, no no. This is a former NFL Defensive Player of the Year. This is a first team All Pro. This is a multi time Pro bowler who's coming to Cowboys and he's now putting on Dion's former number, that that just markets itself. So that's the exciting part of it. But the bitter sweet part, the bitter part of the suite is most certainly that that number belonged to Ezekiel Elliott for seven years and now belongs to Stefan Gilmour.

So of course that leads everyone to question and does that absolutely close the duel on Ezekiel Elliott. Well, gosh darnet. That takes me to the next piece of news. Wow, here's the top rope from the news, and I was talking about Jerry Jones said the door is not closed on possibly reuniting with Ezekiel Elliott for the twenty twenty

three seasons. A barn door. So for those that are keeping for those that are keeping track Ezekiel Elliott's he's gone an interest from several teams and I know there are reports that you know the teams that he has interest and and trust me, there are more teams since being reported, but I'll keep that off the air. And the teams that were I will say the teams that were reported as having interest, those that was an accurate report. So those teams that are now circling back, saying, oh no,

we don't that they're playing the game. They don't want other teams to know they're in on a particular player. That's how you get the price down as opposed to driving the price up. So that game is going to play out how it plays out. But as long as Ezekiel Elliott remains a free agent, there remains a growing chance, even if it's from small to less than small, to list and lest us well. Jerry Jones said the door

is not closed until he signs with another team. M So I know what you're thinking, because I was thinking it too. Yeah, if the Cowboys were to reunite with

Ezekiel Elliott, his number is going well. Ezekiel Elliott took the Twitter last week and said that he wants his Ohio state number fifteen back, So it has if it happens, if if the planet's aligned and Ezekiel Elliott is back, And of course that kind of goes in the face of logic with you haven't signed Ronald Jones and brought Rico Dowdo back, and you'll probably draft a guy if all logic is defied post release and the Cowboys bring him back and say, you know what, we actually don't

need to salary cap money anymore savings anymore. We'll just eat that, okay, Oh no, the smaller deal. Maybe he pays Will Greer to come up off that one five. Yeah he might, and then there you go. But this is a very intriguing situation going on here. I mean, this is this is fun. This is fun. I kind of not the released part. I said this initially. I said there's a there's always a possibility, and even Mike McCarthy kind of alluded to it in his interview yesterday.

He said, you never want to shut the door. You never want to burn bridges on things like this. Even if Ezekiel Elliott doesn't return for the twenty twenty three season, I don't think it's out of the question that he is done as a Dallas count because he's got some years left, he's got he's got an opportunity to come back at some point. I just think the money has to be right in order for that to happen. We'll see what what his money would look like if they

were to get to that point. Here's Jerry's exact quote on the matter. A reworked deal was on the table, and you might say that to some degree that hasn't changed, and it won't until he signed some place else. End quote. So basically saying we're here if you want to come back. Basically, we're here if yeah, everything, if nothing goes the way you would like, or if you don't like the way the market is shaping up, Hey we come home. They'll have a seat for you. We'll work out that one

five and there you go. Now, obviously, if you're Ezekiel Elliott, that you have you know, you really have some decisions to make as far as what's best for the next stage of your career, because logistically, speaking from a player standpoint, what are you walking back into as Ezekiel Elliot. You're walking back into a situation where now it's clearly Pollarts throne. It's no longer you're throne. Even if you are to return, it's no longer you're throwne. It's Polart's throne at least

from now. And now you have to figure out, well, where do you fall in the hierarchy with the cowboys adding Ronald Jones, and is your deal going to be equal to Ronald Jones a little bit lesser, etc. So financially, you might not have the leverage to kind of get pushed for those snaps on the field. I don't know.

It's a murky situation from the Ezekiel Elliot standpoint, but it's not less murky from a Cowboys standpoint because again, as the team, if you're looking at it from a GM standpoint, you just brought in a guy like you release this guy. Brought in a guy because you released this guy and this guy that you brought in is less expensive, and now you're going to circle back to that guy. But is that going to cause you to

at least this guy? So competition is wonderful. We wanted at all positions, um except quarterback, you know when, because Dak is dead right and there is competition there. But for the most part, if Zeke were to come back, he would still be the number two guy. Would he would He would definitely be the number two guy. But I don't see Zie coming back. I don't either. I see him, I see him leaving. I think he for Super for a quote unquote Super Bowl and legitimate proven

Super Bowl. And if if I'm putting myself in Ezekiel Elliott's shoes, I want to prove something. I want to show everybody, including the Cowboys, the oranization that you might have given up on me a little bit too soon. Yeah, right, So I really want to go to that situation where I'm guaranteed one A or one B have a shot, a real shot of the ring. That's the only move. There's a There's not a long list of teams exactly that outside of the team that he was already on,

there's have a better roster. I can tell you what's about that. It's not just about the roster. It's not just about the Rocks, right, It's about It's about the quarterback, no doubt. It's about the quarterback, and it's about the organization and what they've done over the last hand a couple of years. If you have had to put money on it, what do you think he lands Casey? Okay, I was thinking since that money, but there no, no, no,

I'm saying reports notwithstanding yeah, the Jersey. You think about it from an analyst and a former player standpoint. As the landscape is right now, you got teams like Casey, the Jets. I'm not going to entertain that Eagle's nonsense. They got shot opinion, it's Casey or Cincinnati. I think he fits better in Cincinnati's think New York's in that conversation, the Jets are in the conversation. For me, I'm I think it's Sinsey. It just makes too much sense, not

only logistically, but it's poetic. Right. This is an Ohio state kid, right who wants to go back to his Ohio state number. And if he gets that in Ohio with Joe, with Joe Burrow, I agree, yeah, and Joe Mixon and you got Jamar Chay stretching the field, you got tight end weapons. It's rebuilding. I totally agree. I believe that Cincinnati is the best situation. But I do think that the dark horse is Casey. It's okay because okay with that because they've done that too. They have

a track record of doing that. Yes they do. And I don't think he's gonna get the money he wants anywhere. Yeah, let's let's lay that on the tape, no doubt. So if he's not gonna get the money he wants anywhere, most people are like, what, you just come back home. It's like, well, that's coming home. That's a slap in the face almost you know, it's to him. So it's

like if he's gonna do it. It's gonna be with a team that has literally over the last few years, Casey Cincinnati had a shot at winning a dog on ring and that's the only way I see it. I don't see him going to the Jets. It's too much, too much in air, there's too much flex, it's too much dramas, there's a lot going on. He don't even have the quarterback on the contract yet. So I see it being one of those two teams, Casey or Cincinnati, with Cincinnati being the best situation. I do think either

one it's a win win. Yeah, you go with since here, you go with Casey. If those are two of your options. Yeah, but it's as simple as you go. You sign that one year deal with one of those proven potentially get a ring. True, you still got a ton of trail left on the tires, your back of free agency a year from now, and now you get to demand a little bit higher salary. We didn't really get to hit on Zeke a whole lot last week because there were

so many different things that happened along the way. When we come back, I want to quickly give our favorite Zeke memory or we had I like it throughout his time as a cowboy. But we're also going to take your calls eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. We're gonna take some fan calls today. Get your thoughts on how the off season is going so far. What do you think the Cowboys have done right? You could also tell us what you think the Cowboys have

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draft show reads these the wrong coins. Hey, I'm back here on Talking Cowboys. I grabbed the wrong reads for the show that I do on Wednesdays and Thursdays. So I will I'll read both of them at the end of the segment. Well, we're back here on Talking Cowboys. I sayah, stand back, Patrick nose Walker. I'm Kyle Yeoman's all right favorite Zeke memory. Patrick will let you start in, then Isaiah will give us his There's so many and had a news and notes? Do you want to do that?

Like right off the top? I didn't know. Okay, we'll do it. What's your news note? Come on? We on what's going with it? News and notes today from Stanbackville. Oh god, this is my ten year anniversary. Hey, five year five, So shout out to my wife and Natalie she's always listening to ten ye anniversary. Thanks for ten he congratulations, thank you both of you. You get a Roxbury here. Yes, he's been a busy week. Was about to say the kiddos turn nine yesterday. Well, my daughter

was not. His birthday was last Tuesday, last time we had the show. She turned eleven. Wow. My twins turn nine yesterday and in our ten year anniversaries today. Wow, that's time. And then we have a party for my business. Is my business ten year anniversary is this weekend? Yeah, it's a lot going. Yeah, And when you said that going on, that's what I was thinking, because I'm going to the party, so I'll be there the wife. The wife and I have been rocking for ten years. Wow,

that's congratulations. That's awesome. Mega congrats, especially in you know, today's world where it's just getting harder and harder seeing relationships last. So just fantastic. But my daughter and you're still getting My daughter's like, so I'm eleven and you guys been married for ten years. I'm like, yeah, next topic, let's move on your notice, Like you know what it's

like this math thing? Ain't math started telling her the way She's like, but uh, so you start yours when we when we hit in our ten year Yeah, that's true, May May seventh. Oh it's my it's bar Bro. I'm shark fitting that on that hell shit, man, uh, I'm not gonna say that. Say, I'm not gonna sell that out there, all right, All right, there we go back

to his favorite Zeke memory. Go Um, it's easy to go with any one of the hurdles, and you know, the one in Philadelphia certainly comes to mind, because that was just magnificent. Would have been any even better if the turf Monster didn't get him right after. I'm going with against the Pittsburgh Steelers, the walk off Tuddy against the Steelers right up the a gap burst of speed into the end zone at Hinesfield, which is what it was named at the time, ball game for me, that

was that was magnificent. So a lot to choose from. But I'm going with Zeke versus the Steelers walk off tuddy. Okay, very nice. I say I'm gonna go Zeke versus the Buccaneers when he hopped in the Salvation army bucket. Yeah, that's my favorite. I liked that a lot. Nice Lord Jack in the box there that was good. And you

know what made that even better. What makes that better is the fact that he was when he was fined for it, he matched the NFL's fine in your face set that to charity to the Salvation Army and then it created this, uh, this whirlwind of Donatians and I think that like a month's time, Salvation Army got like two over two million dollars worth it. Yeah, I think it was like the most that they've had from like an outside to make that even better, in your face face, Yeah,

it was really good. I liked against the Detroit Lions when he brought broke out the Dak touchdown dance. Oh yeah, in the back of the end zone against the Lions when he was doing a little hip hip motion there.

I also, I think my favorite one outside of the ones that you mentioned though, just another one to add was when he capped off the touchdown drive when Dat got hurt in Week five against the Giants in twenty twenty, where he came back down the field and then ran into the end zone and as soon as he went to the camera, he held up the four and it was just kind of it was very reflective, like the sun was in the background. You could kind of see

the rays coming put it was. It was at the moment. Now, the season didn't turn out the way that anybody wanted. Nobody wanted Dak to get hurt like that, but the fact that they capped off the game, they won the game, and they capped it off with his he touched where he was able to hold up the four. That that was. That was one of my favorite moments of Simate team go. Yeah. So best of luck to Zeke. We never, like I said, didn't get a chance to talk about it last week.

We wanted to at least hit on it this week. All right, we'd taken your calls eight eight, eight, five, two two nine seven, give us a call. Let's hear about what you feel like has gone right, what has gone wrong for the Cowboys offseason. We're taking those calls now, starting with Bob and the Rio Grand Valley. You're on Talking Cowboys Morning guys, Good morning. I'll tell you what. We kind of hit the ground running here in free agency. I could not see more proud of that Cowboys front

office and the job that they've done. It's I like a lot of you and a lot of fans. I'm shocked. This is totally out of character, but it's something that needed to be done. And Patrick, you stole my thunder, buddy, would a dude today when Zeke jumped and that yeah army cattle against Tampa Bay. And let me tell you what that the guy started the ground swell for a

great organization and raising money. And I tell my fondest memory of Zeke will be him staking his head deacon out that barrel like a little bit of el you know, like a little bit tvous kid. That was wonderful. Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. If looking forward to a great year. Y'all have a good day. Thanks, appreciate you, Bob, thank you so much. Hey, that's awesome. Isaiah stole his thunder, but we'll give him credit. That was That's a good

way to put it. He was like a little mischievous kid, That's what it was. He's like, okay, here we are, yeah, very nice, all right, continue give us a call eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. When you're looking at Ronald Jones, we haven't actually hit on him just yet, but what what kind of role do you expect him to fill in this current team? Is he a straight RB two or is he competing with

guys like Malik Davis, Rico Dowdle. He's a RB two, He's he's a he's a straight, he's a short yardage a guy, and he's a protect Dack's back guy. Because I think the front office realizes that Tony Pollard is really good at what he does, but don't ask him to do anything outside of himself, meaning he you're losing arguably the league's best blocking running back by letting Zeke

go right. Yeah, that's so. I think Ronald Jones now fulfills that role in terms of having somebody back there that could actually pass protect out of the backfield that's not a tight end, as well as a short yardage back who can go up there and take the brutality that it takes sometimes for that short yardage. You don't want to ask TP just because he's capable of getting short yardage, you know, you don't want to ask him

to do that every single time. I'd rather bring a big boy back there to go ahead and barrel his head in between a lineman and get those short yardage, then the sideline giving slap on the butt, and then bring TP back in. That's the relationship. And I think that's the ask by this front office and the coaching staff of Ronald Jones. Yeah, I mean long and short of it. That's that's the science behind the move. Ronald Jones is going to be looked upon as a less

expensive Ezekiel Elliot as far as Roller is concerned. Um. He himself when in the conversation that we had with him on signing day, um he said that he's he brings power and he's a change of pace back and that's what the Cowboys are gonna need. They're gonna need that short y'all. Just guy, that bigger body got to get in there. Uh you know, get that third and short, fourth and short, because yes can well can Tony Pollard

get that? Yes he can? But you would rather not put that kind of brutality on Pollard if you do, in fact have quote unquote big plans for Polar going forward, like Jerry Jones said a couple of weeks ago. And also keep in mind, Tony Pollard is coming off of a fractured leg, so I don't believe that that's going to impact his style of play in twenty twenty three.

But from a medical standpoint, you want your franchise guy who's coming off of a broken leg to be in that scrum on fourth and one third and one third and two. No, you want to get a change of pace guy. And that's what I think Rojoe brings to the table. Oh well, in addition to the fact he's got two rings and every team he signs with winds a ring, So there's that good Mojos and that's I mean,

They're they're adding guys who have ring. Hence, Also, I think that this front office, aside from being aggressive, which is out of character for them, the one thing that I really like that they're doing right now is they're being very strategic about having guys fulfill roles. That that's what they do, and I think that is very much soul coming off of the back of mister dan Quinn. Dan Quinn brings you on this roster and he says,

you know what, Kyle, you rush the passer. Really well, that's all I need you to do, and that's what I'll do, and that's what you'll do. Right I'm not asking you to play forty snaps. I need you to give me the best fifteen snaps you can and I need you to go balls to the wall on it, right, That's what I'm asking you to do. And there they found out that that works defensively. Right, guys are not being asked to do things outside of themselves. Just do what do what you do really well, I'm gonna put

your musician to be successful. And now you're starting to see that really transition into all aspects of this roster. Guys are now being placed in positions to say, hey, Ronald Jones, short yardage and protect the protect dacks back. That's what I need you to do. Come in here and can you do that? Absolutely? I can do that. Cool, you're on paper, sign you up. And they're gonna continue to do that, I believe through the draft as well.

They're not gonna They're gonna be looking for guys that can fulfill more roles, of course, but I think they've learned their lesson for trying to get these Swiss, the Swiss army knife type of guys, and they're gonna start saying, hey, guess what, no see you block really well, okay, there we go. I'mna put you in right here, play you in between these two hosses and just do that don't do anything else. Focus on that. We'll feel the rest of the roles with guys that do the same thing.

Gotta know your role, got what you're doing. You shut your mouth and let all right. We're taking our second call Casey from Texas. Sorry we didn't get your your city where you at? Casey? And I mean, I'm currently in Cairo, but I represent Shiner Texas and calm the box all day long. Very nice. What's on your mind? So man, little man? Free agency? Um, not really a free agency, but I wish we could get that receive out of Arizona. I know we can't talk about his name,

so I pay attention to you guys. I know what I can or I thank you sir. But man, my, my, my, my craziest spinish moment with Beek is the Pittsburgh c to walk off. There we go. My family, my common family is majority of Pittsburgh, still a fan, and we had a family naming that day that game was happening, and that walk off was was lovely. Oh yeah, wow, that that was such a good, good, good play. All the way across the port, I could imagine how crazy he and the Cowboys fans went in the midst of

Steelers fans. Just the air that got sucked out of that room for those pitch fans. I know that was sweet, sweet given. I just wish I wish the Cowboys can get back to that moment when we had kolbig Bes, Brian beet D, when we was making the promo videos every other day and the bodings of having fun. I feel like the Cowboys hadn't been been having much fun since that. We can get back to that and get back to those twelve and four and those thirteen and

five seasons like we had last year. Man, I think our team was enough all the way. Casey, thank you so much for the call. I completely agree. Bring back the fun, bring it back well. I will say this, they had a ton of fun last year and during

those twelve wins. And it drops out to our media team and our production team for the magnificence that is Sounds from the Sideline, Because those Sounds from the Sideline drops it showed you just how not only intense and competitive it got on the Cowboys sidelines, but just the unbridled fun, the brotherhood of it. The Camarado read. It's good to see that. But I agree with Casey. And not to say that the twenty twenty two team did not have fun, but that twenty sixteen team felt like, yeah,

that was different. That felt like a complete turnaround, you know, because it wasn't supposed to happen. You're right, it wasn't supposed to happen. Romo goes down, right, and then you get you know, Dak Prescott comes in and Dak wasn't even the second quarterback on the depth chart, right, he was behind Jamil Showers. Shouts out to Jamale Showers for those that forgot Jamal Showers quarterback, moved to safety center, basically did everything the Cowboys wanted, but he was behind

Jamal Showers and killing Moore at that point. Dak Prescott fourth round comp pick. He you know, injury to killing Moore. He moves up, he gets more reps. All of a sudden, it's his show to start the season. But how much can you expect from a fourth round comp pick? Okay, but then you get Zeke a ton of promise around and hype around the fourth overall pick in the draft. You're thinking, well, everything's gonna go as Zeke goes, and

it kind of did. But Dak Prescott also had a word in that, and all of a sudden, now you have a five game win streak, seven game win streak, nine game win streak, eleven game win streak, and over the course of that is Roma going to get his job back. So that season hit so differently because it wasn't supposed to be what it was. It wasn't supposed to be as special as it as it was. And that special air was mixed with the toughness of knowing that it was over for Tony Romo. So there was

a lot of emotions in that season. So that's why that year hit so different, no doubt, no doubt about it. All right, let's take our second break. But before we do, we got to remind you that this is how we country. Let's get Isaiah stand back a little. Yeah, here we go. Country Music's Party of the Year is coming the Ford

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let's talk about it. When asked about the status of the other state of the offensive line, obviously, the Cowboys lost Connor mcgovernment starting left guard to free agency. He's going up to the Buffalo Bills to protect Josh Allen. That increases the number of question marks as far as where the Cowboys are gonna land. They're gonna get Tyren Smith back on a rework deal. But does that mean Tyren Smith is going to be right tackle? Is he going back to the left tackle with Tyler Smith moving

into left guard? Terren Steele is looking to come back from a torn acale ce. Jerry Jones says that ty not Tyrant. I'm sorry that Terrence steal all these teams that Terrence Steele as we have this conversation in March, and I say that last part for a reason, but he says, Terrence Steele is the swing tackle. No way, So that's what he said, Like he dances like this, Dan or not not swinging like that and not swinging at the playground either, Yeah, not at the playground with ABC.

No the bad creation, Noah, Noah, No Terren Steele. Uh. As it is viewed through the eyes of Jerry Jones on March twenty seventh, which was yesterday, Terren Steell is being viewed as the swing tackle, and that intimates loudly that Tyrn Smith is going to be the right tackle to start the season and Tyler Smith is going to be the left tackle and that still leaves your leaves you open that left guard. Stephen Jones says the Cowboys are obviously open to drafting the offensive laban at twenty six.

Jerry himself said he wouldn't blink at drafting the twenty six, which is fine because we all said that. Yeah, but when I'm not in on and again, I know we're talking about this in March offensive line coach, and I didn't hear this from Mike McCarthy. We're hearing it from Jerry Jones. Okay, so we're hearing it from the owner

of gym and not the coaching staff. J I'm hoping that the coaching staff pulls mister Jones to the side and says, hey, we see what you did there, but nah, but nahum, Terrence Steele is your definitive starting right tackle. In my eyes, I think any healthy as long as he's healthy, I think any move if he's healthy and ready. I'm glad you said that. If he's healthy and ready for Week one, No way he needs to be your swing tackle. No way, no way. I get paying homage,

which is rightfully due to tyring. And if you want to pay homage, you give him back his base position for twenty twenty three, drop Tyler in the left guard played how you need to play? You got the younger guys, Farni, y'all has an interior guy. That's an option. Well, let's go as your outside guy. Maybe he conflects in whatever the case may be. Terrence Steele is your starting right tackle?

Catch your question? Yeah, go for it. Bro. Let's say that none of those three Tyler, ty Run or Terrence, neither of those three right, none of those three, and or is allowed to play left guard, and you have to sit one of them. Which of those three do you sit? Tackle? You can't play left guard, meaning that you can't bump anybody down to the left guard position. Right, You got to pick your tuns. No, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. Let's let's let's assume that they take

a left guard at twenty six. Okay, that's my dream. Okay, okay, So you have two tackles, you have two tackle positions, three tackles. Who starts for you? Terrence, Tyler, Tyler, ter Terence, Tyrn, Tyler, Terrence and Tyrn. You're sitting Tyler. You know why? Why? Because recent history has shown us that Tyrone isn't going to give you seventeen foll Yeah, you're gonna get eleven games out of Tyler. Samantha is you're starting left tackle, right,

so I mean it'll eventually it'll solve itself. So I think that because you start sitting, who starting in that situation, And just to be clearly, and if I'm understanding what I was asking, he's saying, of those three names, Terrence, Tyrn, and Tyler, if you're assuming that none can play left guard, which isn't true, but for the sake of having played a little game, who would you sit in that scenario? Tyler sits because I'm gonna start Tyrn number one. He's

earned it. That's his spot. But also, you know, going in as much as you love seventy seven, you know he's not going to give you the full seventeen plus a postseason. So eventually, maybe sooner than later, hopefully not, but eventually Tyler's going to end up starting that left tackle. Anyway, then you might have an injury somewhere else on the line, And everything he did for you last year, you send him on the bench. What about everything seven seven did

for you before last year as well? That's why I asked the question, and then last year as well. I have a different answer. Okay, let me see what you and I think Tyler has his whole career to be the starting left tackle. He does his whole career. I think Tyran probably has one more season. Tyler. Yeah, I don't. I don't love Tyler Henry. We've talked about this before. You don't want Tyler's gonna do what the hinder because

he's just a great team. Don't want to hinder the growth of Tyler Smith just because you have loyalty to some guy who has played seven games over the last eight years leeper than just because because when that guy is healthy, he's still he's It's not a hollow. Here's where I'm going with it. Keep Tying at left tackle. That's fine, he's your starting left tackle. That's the only thing I held. Ohoh, are you give me Tyler Smith? Give me Tyler at right tackle, and then you have

the swing option of why he's a tackle. He's much better as a tackle than he was as a guard. Ever, guard, I don't care if tackles tackle. It's easy. It's easier for him to go from left tackle the right tackle than it is for him to go from left tackle to left guard when he did that already. If he did him at right he didn't have the strength and you're another position. If he didn't have the hell in the bass that he has as Tyler Smith, then that

statement will be accurate. But because he has the strength and the bass that he has, it's actually easier for him to go to left guard than from left tackle. To look like it, he didn't play very well at left guard. He played okay. He played okay, and he grew as the season went along because he had time to play there. Now, if he has an entire off season to play right tackle, you're telling me he can't do that. Not better than Terrence Steal, not not in

twenty twenty three. That's the conversation Steele in right tech and right now and this hypothetical that we're giving this right now and this hypothetical here, Terrence Steele is the odd man out because he's not a young developmental player and he's not this high arching Tyrn Smith who's been here for ten years. He's somewhere in the middle where he's been a developmental prospect. That is really really good

for you. Right now. He's the odd man out, not because he's not the best out of the three, or not because he's not talented enough. It's because you have two different things that you're trying to accomplish, two different agendas that you're trying to accomplish, loyalty to Tyron's Smith and developmental for Tyler Tyler Smith twenty twenty three on the phone. If you want, all right, is Nate Newton on the phone. We've got on Nate. Here's here's the hypothetical.

How's first off, Good morning? How are you? Good morning? How are you guys doing great? Great? All right, here's a hypothetical. You don't have the option to move to guard or to center at all. So these three players have to play tackle. Who are you starting at left tackle, right tackle? And who is your swing tackle? Out of Tyron Smith, Tyler Smith and Terrence Steele. Uh uh, the older guy will be my swing tackle. Okay, that's fine. Yeah, he will be my swing tackle because I need If

I bet Tyler Smith it's my future left tackle. I gotta get him, give him every real developmental no doubt. Yeah, yeah, So who is he a left tackle? Left tackling Steel will be my right tackle right now, you can only play one position, just in my opinion. Now, maybe Mike Flora can work some magic to do offense line coach, But to me, Still is a right tackle. I've always tried to tell everybody that he's a right tackle. He's a great run blocker, he's an average fast blocker. He's

coming off of a major knee injury. Now, if you talk, if you're gonna start that stuff we started last year, that's a disaster. So no matter who you start, you know you gotta let those five work together. But I for the question you asked me at the beginning, the left tackle would be the young kid that the rookie from last year, and the right tackle would be Still. If he's healthy, he's got to go. And I will let Tyler be the screen because he's not that durable.

He's proven over years he's not that durable. And so now you're gonna put him in. He get three games and four games and all of a sudden something happening, and all of a sudden you're throwing another guy in. Anyway to finish the season, you know you can't, I understand loyally, but you can't continue to do that. You can't continue to stop other kids development for a guy

that's gonna give you maybe eight nine games at full speed. Okay, well, let me let me play Devil's advocate here, because Isaiah agrees with you. By the way, Isaiah agrees with you, Patrick and I are on kind of different playing surfaces

at the ball. But when your swing tackle is Tyrann Smith, right, and you want him to be your backup, part of the reason why he would get playing time in the first place is because one of the two guys in front of him were injured, so you would not you would not have a healthy Tyler Smith or a healthy Terran Steal. What happens whenever your swing tackle who was injury prone in his own right comes in and he gets hurt. Where do you go from there? That's my

that's my one pause. Let's go. You're letting him Ran, Well, let's go. I have the perfect answer right now. A lot of the guys there has had the perfect answer from the beginning. You draft or either signed a guy in free agent to be those two guys you draft. See the thing here is, we're we're solid everywhere. In my estimation, these guys are solid everywhere they have good they have I think super to good guys that every position except too and this' the offensive line they're not solid.

I just believe that no depth, no proven and defensive line whether they're not solid. So you if they can just go out and draft someone or signed someone. They signed the young man, I can't pronounce his name and not we're not chopping up until the season start. But you get what I'm saying. You can't keep jeopardizing one piece, okay, to to jiggle around other pieces. You it's reless. Let this guys start. Whether he's a backup, and I'm telling about Tyron Smith, it is a high risk. The percentage

is a high that he won't finish the game. Yeah, completely agreed, Nate. Hey appreciate you hopping on and give you thank you. Man Till till that dude see George, you would not see a three piece who Listen, you could put it out in the atmosphere all you like, but it ain't gonna come back. You still want to hear him, but I still don't even want to hear it. Listen, he can't hear, Jimmy, Okay, he can't hear. He can't hear Jim, yes, kid jump reference. For those that don't know,

here's my thing about the back end of what he said. Okay, if if we're talking about drafting a tackle here right, Nope, you're you're not. I'm not You're not. Are you? Are you? I want to let go You're If you're giving me a guard, I'm not having this conversation. This makes complete sense. I'm taking interior limit. I was taking a tackle at twenty six. I thought Nate. What Nate was trying to do was draft another tackle, was draft somebody else that

was at tackle. If he's talking about guard, then I'm okay, then that doesn't bother me. If we're talking about drafting another tackle, which is possible at twenty six, because there are some good ones at twenty six, why do we even keep seventy seven around? That's my question. I mean, I know there's loyalty, I know he's still really good,

but with the injury concerns and the durability. So my dream is that you draft a dog at left guard, and then you start and then you start Tyler on the left, you start Terrence still on the right, and I'm cool with that, and then you have Tyrn who you could bring in a heavy set, right, that could that could be something that is that one of your more common running U sets where you added additional office alignment, right, that eliminates that need for a line for a fullback

a lot of times. So you have the goal line sets, you have all those times where you can still fit him in and keep his kip, his legs warm and all that jazz, and you could be dominant. You have a dominant running game in that portion, right, and then you have well, let's go, who's your backup? So you have well, let's go, and you have Tyron Smith who could be your backups. And I'm not calling Tyrn a backup, but he that's where the role that I'm saying the discussion,

that's a discussion we're having. Right, we would know what he is, okay, but I'm terms of looking towards the future. Right, you have to address those things by let's seeing, Hey, this Terrence Steele still Terran Steele. And we're not gonna hinder Tyler Smith's development. And we're good. Last year we asked him to do above and beyond it, he did it. We're not doing that to him again. But you know,

here's here's another dynamic. And I spoke about this as far as the last week in the week prior for those that came into the offseason, asking well, why is everyone hovering over the panic button as it relates to the Cowboys offensive line, And we laid it out. Obviously Connor McGovern potentially leaving he ended up leaving you got

some depth issues. Guy's coming off injuries. Well, let's go for example, but I drew a red circle around circle around Terrence Steele, not only because he's coming back off of injury, but because is he's not locked up locked up for the long term. So as you're sitting here trying to have these kinds of long term negotiations with

Terren Steele, put yourself in Steel's shoes. And if Steele believes that he's now being relegated to the role of swing tackle after having developed and proving himself as a definitive starter in the league, then it it makes him want to put one foot out the door more so than maybe it's already Maybe it already is. So you don't know that Terren Steele is going to be here

twenty four, let alone in twenty three. So That's another angle of the conversation altogether, because we keep talking about so I don't think the tackle is really a bit like I know a lot of people are talking about it because of the injuries and the health, but honestly, tackle is probably that's where you have the most depth on the office of line. Right now, right now, right now, I mean, I don't know, have nothing in garden. You have Collins. Collins is a dog, right, you got him.

You have Terrence Steel, you have Tyring, you got Tyler, you got well, let's go. I was gonna say, but I was waiting for us. But so you have depth at tackle. It's the interior guys that you don't have. Trip. You have no to our knowledge, no proven backup center. No, you have no can. But he's not hoving a whole said, he's hoping. I'm saying, I'm trying to help the fans understand interior office a linement, left guard, left guard, and also,

who's gonna play behind Martin? He hit the youngest spring chicken around here. Either. No, you might want to start planning for that future. No, I agree, I completely agree. I've been here for three years. I've been here for three years. Trying to say that this offensive line isn't what it always has been. And next year, you understand what I'm saying, Next year, next year has to be you have to start planning for right guard effective Nicks. He's not gonna be He's not going to be a

guy that rises this thing out into he can't move. No, that's what I'm saying. He's gonna write off in the sunset. He's that guy. He's that guy where he's like, my time's done and he just walks off. So you know, this might be this might be a situation where between last year, this year, next year, maybe even a year after in twenty five, this might be a similar sequence to the Tyrant and Frederick and Martin draft and that that rapid fire that's how you build the offensive line,

and the Cowboys show they can do it. So this might be you got Tyler, maybe you double back and you get somebody at twenty six you're left guard, and then you get your developmental right guard because and on the coach stab you hired or new what offensive line coach? So yeah, So with the twenty sixth pick in the twenty three NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys selected Cyrus Horrens out of Florida, because that's it, and that's that's the only guy that's gonna be there. That is worth twenty six.

I hope, I hope is a strategy. Welcome, welcome sometimes to Avila is there, But I would feel much better with Torrance there. I mean, they're both, they're my number one and two. By the way, I submitted my draft magazine bios. I wrote thirty thousand words for that magazine. That's my guy, and they're number one and number two, Torrance and Avila in terms of interior offensive line leads, including center because John Michael Schmidtz is number three for

me and I could go either way. I'm like one a one tweet the three of us your top three positional wants for that number twenty six, Do it, get it done? Do it get it done at I am stand back at Voice of the Star, at Kyle Underscore Yeoman's let us know what are your top three positional needs for the Dallas Cowboys. All right, that does it for us. We'll be back next Tuesday. We'll be back at ten am Central time to break it all down for you. We're less than a month away from the

NFL Draft. So this is not the only draft talk we're gonna have on this show. We're gonna have a little bit because we have the experts a little bit. You know, Chris Beam is pretty good at what he Maybe maybe we get someone else from the draft shoulder. We could make that happen. Yeah, for one of the make it happens. We'll make it happen. She'll be a whole lot of fun for Chris being Isaiah standback, Patrick No see walk around, Kyle Yeomen saying so long, thanks

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