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your face. You're making this the official shot it is season because this is the first time, this is the first time the entire team has been on the field

together at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. It's happening right now right more or less, more or less, we've established the fact the rookies haven't gathered with the veterans, and so now you've got the entire team together for the first time here on May twenty first, Can I wait two thousand ninete, Can I wait till Tank Lawrence is back on the field before I say this is the official start of the season. Can I just get ninety back and then we say that I'm gonna wait

till September. How about that. That's I'm so dramatic though, Yeah, I was so dramatic like that, Bill, you must be in the TV business. It's way overly dramatic. But okay, we'll go. I get it, though, man, I get it. Sell it. The helmets are on, the helmets are on, they're doing stuff. But yeah, what do voluntary mean? Yeah? Oh yeah, it is volunt Wait wait, wait until tomorrow. Minicamp next month will be the official start. Okay, wait a minute. What do you got on? But that watch?

I can't see? Yeah, but look at it. What's wrong with it? It's awesome, it's what it is. Yeah, it's gold, it's baller. There it is. I can't see. That's my problem. Was that a bull gift? No, it's just so you played before there were such things. Yeah, I wish I miss I missed the bull watch I got. I've got all my bull watches though, but they're all too small. No, I can't see anymore, Mick. That's my problem. That has to be big enough for me to see. Can you

see what time it is? There about? It's time for the start of a cowboy season? There we go. I'm sorry, Mick, I just that site couldn't see I just saw it. I appreciate that. Thanks all that big white band. Yeah, I need a summer watch. Goes my summer watch. It goes well, a super Bowl ring you guys, solid gold, No, not that solid gold, Mickey. It's just it's kind of a gift to myself. So and leave it to Mickey to derail the Cowboys season as soon as we get

to start it. Yeah, that's okay, I appreciate. We're fine by eleven old four. It's derailed by mixing the dramatic opening you had derailed the scene. Everybody was ready to go until you get a big voice guy on some distractable player. Exactly, Yes, you are speaking of that guy. Yeah, all right, So you know they are indoors. Fords are all the practice is going to be indoors because their instruction going on outdoors. There is one field available, but

they're not gonna use it. They're not gonna use They're gonna play indoors till we get to From what I heard and talking to Chris the field man, he says he will not have this ready until training camp, until after we get back from training camp. The other field will not be ready, so they'll do everything inside for the next month or so. Yeah, they didn't have any choice. Today it's raining. Yeah, it is raining today and so uh and Mickey give us an update on the construction

going on out there exactly. There's gonna be a big announcement, I believe tomorrow afternoon, the third construction of the Doctor Pepper building that will take up the players parking lot. But that's the most involved process I've ever seen to put down another grass field. He's been out there surveying things. Yes, he's very in tune with so much stuff. What are they doing. They're building a building, that's what they're doing.

But there's going to be a grass field there. Yeah, but they had to make they had to make a for the fire. Why are we talking about that? God? And when our rating sucks sometimes cover your watch what they're building up. Some cowboys. That cowboy. This is cowboys. They built a cement wall in the ground. Yeah, but Mickey down, everybody gets to see what you and I get to see every day. They're putting a they're putting

a fire lane around. They have to have the fire lane built, so they have to move the field, build the fire lane, and then now we can have a field. So they have to build the fire lane first that goes all the way around the buildings. So that the explanation I was looking for it kind of like a fire we could allo on your computer. We could have had this offline, but no, I asked it right now. He's six minutes in fifty four minutes of construction topic.

People want us to pull the crew. And there is one thing that we all Cowboys fans and everyone in this building praying for that what happens during OTAs here is not the same thing that happened yesterday in Washington, and that would be a player, a key player going down with an injury ring first snap. They've had that happen. Remember Sean Lee yep, and was five years ago to fourteen.

Zach Martin. Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest fear that you have of And when you when you get on the field, you're all excited to see the rookies and the veterans, and Mickey has talked about this before. How do these rookie's practice? How do they learn to practice? The veteran guys know tempo, They understand how to work with each other. You know, are you going to have a rookie that's a little uh conxuberant, trying to make a rambunctious whatever word you want to use that I

can't spell. You have to worry about that. You have to worry about guys planting, turning, I mean injuries part of this game, but you don't want it during an OTA where something you know, I mean the other day with Webber, I mean him, you know now I having to get an MRI. Everything indications everything's back, he's back to practice and stuff like that. But you just don't want anything to derail your start of your season as you go to camp. And you mentioned Zach Martin and

that twenty fourteen Martin was a rookie. He was a rookie and he was and he did a great It was a great block on Yeah, he eliminated uh Sean Lee, but Sean was trying to plant redirect and knee gave out so that he had a bad knee anyway, Yeah, that's a freak thing. But that's another reason. And why if these guys have a little something, you're not going to see him out here. And I know Tank and Byron Jones wouldn't be ready for this anyway. But you're

gonna see those guys hopefully week one. You're not going to see him try to push to get back in training camp. You know they're gonna bubble wrap guys this time. You gotta have your key guys healthy and so um. It's probably why you're not going to see everybody out here in the OTAs. You know. That's one of the reasons why back in the day when they were training,

I had training camp in Thousand Oaks. Tom would bring in the rookies ahead of time for right and and there were other reasons why they brought him in early, but one of the reasons were to get the rookies exuberance out of them for a week. Entire veterans got there. They don't come in and ruin Tony Dorset or I think as happened in nineteen eighty nine, they had signed

a rookie running or a free agent running back. No, it was ninety because it was stands some stands Pagala from stands Megala, Yeah, And he took out the the veteran running back on the first practice and tore his knee up. It was touched down somebody from Nebraska. I can't remember the guys, Tommy Vardell, No, no, it wasn't stand for from Stanford, but anyway, it was. That was an example of you have contact right away and there this guy's gonna make a big tackle on the sideline.

He takes out your ring back. He's just spent free agent money on well. And speaking of that, they're an injury this morning at OTA's the Buffalo Bills. They're big free agent tight end signing. Tyler Kroft goes down with a I believe it was a fractured foot, and he's lost for four months at least. It looks like they just spent eighteen million dollars over the next three years for him. Bill, Why why are you making me worried all of a sudden about Jones over here? Don't worry.

The trainers are already worried. Yeah, this is not their breath. This is not a fun time in Yere. Again, this part is not fun. But you got to get out there at some point, and and you know, because of the new CBA, you're already reduced on what you can do on the field anyway, so this is valuable time. Before you get the training camp, whether you're in pads or not. So what's the big thing they try to

accomplish during OTAs? Get them lined up? Yeah? Yeah, I mean to me, this is when when you go out to the OTA field to watch practice on tomorrow, just take a take a peek of where they're playing guys in. Again,

you got a factor in injuries of guys. Like Rob was saying that some guys won't be practicing, But if they're, if they're moving guys in multiple positions, if they if they're taking safer example, they're taking one of the Jackson, the defensive tack defensive end from Miami, and they're playing

him on the left and right side. That give you a little indication that they feel like, Okay, this kid, we're gonna throw something at him and see if he can handle both the safety we're talking about the safety from Texas A and m Yesterday, Yeah, Wilson, if you listen to yesterday to the show UM Hanging with the Boys, Will McClay was on and he was talking about some of Nate asked a question about some flexibility with him, his ability to play at the slot. Will's like, yeah, absolutely,

the more things. You can get these guys to do catch catch where they're playing guys, and if guys are playing on the first and second team, maybe that will give you a little bit of an indication of what they think about these guys and how we're going to see him used at training camp. That's a great point because if they if they like a guy, they'll try him at different spots. Right and just in case, you know, injuries happened during the season, if it were in a pinch,

can this guy do it right? And that's it's a test for a guy that they have some some faith in or belief in their ability make you you like to chime in. I thought that was very well said yeah, because because I mean they're they're lining up offensive defense, but they're not in pads. It's hard to judge what the offensive defensive linemen are doing. Like johad Ward last year looked great and he's out. He Rod Marinelli kept telling, But Rod Marinelli kept telling us, I really like him.

We got to see what the pad's on. He did say that a bunch and we got the training camp and it was a different story. But like me out there playing, but like you said, lining up see where guys line up and how guys are moving around. You can watch, you know, pay attention more to the skill guys in the in the defensive backs more so, I think,

than than the lines, you know. And because of how many guys they'll have very limited in these workouts, there's some young guys are gonna get an opportunity to get out there and get some snaps they normally wouldn't get. If Taco Charlton was out there, and Anton Woods was out there, if DeMarcus Lawrence was out there, then somebody

gets pushed down. But now everybody kind of gets to move up a step and you get opportunity to at least show him that, Okay, I know where to line up, I know what the plate calls are, I know what my responsibilities are and go from there. But again, I think what always gets lost in these things is this

is practice, right. They're teaching these rookies things that they haven't done before, and it's a little too early to start grading guys, and it's like this guy can't do this, or if y'all do it, and who's winning well like position battles, and he kind of gotta wait till pad's come on. But yeah, this is where though, But this is where with no Travis Frederick. Yeah, this will be interesting to see if they play McGovern at center like he was doing in the rookie Yeah, well he will.

Will he be a guy that they're saying, Okay, we're gonna we're going to either you know, he'll be probably Joe Looney and then will it be mcgoverned or who else? Well, you know, they they they had the kid last year that they kept on the on the season the whole year. Anger, No God, why am I the kid that they got? Thankin apologize mister missus Redmond for forgetting your son's name. But yeah, I mean he was a guy that played. Will will McGovern be over Redman playing center in this thing?

Will we see him playing more guard? Where? Will we see? See? That's what the things I'm gonna I'm gonna keep an eye on, though, is how quickly they're gonna get some of these guys incorporate and by you know, by injury they're gonna happen. I think the defensive line is actually gonna be a really a mess, and I mean it's in a mess of it's all gonna be young guys. Well, I don't think it's gonna be any I think there'll be very few veterans that are actually playing with this

defensive line. So who's who's really having for me from surgeries? Uh, Lawrence, Taco Woods, Woods, you can throw Frederick in there. I'm talking defensive defensive line guys. Yeah, no, Randy Gregory, you know Gregory's not there. Yeah, um, the Saintan defensive line,

but Byron Jones won't be out there. So when you're talking defensive line, it's gonna be a lot you're gonna see there's gonna be a lot of young guys and maybe a lot of these young guys are gonna get to work against a lot of these veteran all pro guys that you have, Joe Jackson, like you mentioned, Lawrence Armstrong,

the undrafted guys, Daniel Wise. They'll get some reps. Absolutely, they will get and that that's that's the good thing about is And and we'll get to see some we'll see a veteran guy or two maybe with with Christian Covington, you know, Hider, those guys. You guys will get some opportunity there, but it won't I don't I don't think when they go out there, that first defensive line will not look anything like what you're probably gonna think. It's

when Collins good to go? Is he? No? I didn't hear any problems with him, Mickey, You and I went through that thin. Didn't you write that down? We're it's going to run today. Okay, Okay, Mickey's got a story had I had it in Mick shots and then they decided let's break out. Okay, Mickey did a thing where he Nicky's got injured, He's got it all. Mickey's got the whole thing. We met with the proper folks and they kind of took us down a path that we need to go. So and a lot of these guys

are going to be limited. They may go out there and do like individual drills, you know, skeleton stuff, and then when they go on eleven, they'll they'll be out of there. You're not gonna see Lele Collins probably out there. These quarterbacks, these backup quarterbacks need to have a good start, you know. Yeah, I mean it's time for them to

kind of build on something. Take this next month and kind of build on it where you're watching them every day they look accurate, you know, they're not getting hit, but they look like they're moving the team. They're making good throws, they're making good decisions. That's a big that's a big question mark to me. Right now they have a fourth guy. They do not. And Stephen was asked that yesterday when he talked at the complexity, uh kind

of that. Philip Nelson was the guy that they brought in to help out, and he said, somebody asked him, are you going to bring in a fourth and he goes not. Now, he goes, you know, those young guys need all the snaps they can get. There you go and he goes in on top of that, Dak likes a lot of snaps. He goes, we might bring one in, but as of now, you know, these guys need snaps. They do. They need to figure that backup quarterback spot. Somebody's gonna win this shop. Because we talked about this

every every week we go on. We could talk about how this roster is going to be shaped, and then when we get to ox Star, we're really going to talk about how this thing is shaped. I don't think you can keep three quarterbacks. I don't think you are four quarterbacks. Three quarterbacks. Yeah, I don't think you can keep four tight ends. I mean, look at some of these positions and this is what OTAs is like. Okay, let me see the numbers here. Okay, I've got these

guys not practicing. I got these guys practice. Look at the numbers and just say, wow, this is a spot that they can't go long here. They can't go long here. They can't go long here. Man, They've got to figure us these things out. And I think these quarterbacks, I think these quarterbacks need to get off on a good foot. The backup quarterbacks need to get off on a good foot. And it kind of builds some momentum to where somebody

wins this job this summer. Where do you think they Cooper Rush and Mike Whiked, where do you if you consider turn us into quarterback too? And we just got a couple of minutes for our first break here, so let's explore that right now. Who are are they in a dead right now? What do you think? See? Cooper Rush showed things as rookie preseason, and really that's how he won the job. That's how he got on here. And then last year, last year like a bag of you know what, and both of them did Yeah, Am

I right? No, you're right, but you were looking for one of them to step up? One was gonna, okay, who was going to be the guy? Much does Mike White improved from year one to year two? I was riding the Mike White train like it was no tomorrow. And what happened there? It's a it's a position we're not talking about enough. We talked so much all offseason about what happens something happens to Zeke, Well, Zeke never, Zeke never gets hurt. But what if something happens, well,

Dak Prescott never gets hurt. RAN's knocking on wood for me, what happens if Dak Prescott? Missus snaps? What happens like somebody saying, not saying they should have drafted a guy. But it was such a focus on backup running back. Somebody need to step up at backup quarterback, no question, no question. And the thing about it is we don't get an opportunity to early to I mean, the only time we get the chance to look at him is

during training camp in preseason. Outside of this time year, we can watch him a little bit on one day a week you're in OTAs, let's see if every week, starting tomorrow, that the working with working with John Kitten improves these guys. I'm not just talking about the backup guys. Let's see if we see a little improvement in Dak. Maybe something with footwork, maybe something with accuracy, maybe something with arm angle. Maybe there's something like man, he looks

a little different through in. The ball looks a little different, you know, the ball placement looks a little different here today. Every week we should see something that maybe leads us to training camp to think. Because again I bring up the thing about Connor Williams. We saw things with Connor Williams and it's like point, it doesn't look strong. He doesn't look strong enough right now. He doesn't look strong enough.

That was kind of something that we noticed in the OTAs and it carried over into training camp and he struggled through the year. But let's try and find something every week that day. Maybe this guy and these quarterbacks need to get better. They need to prove that they are confident. If something happens to your starting quarter maybe John Kitten it can have a good influence because we talked about his relationship with Dak, but maybe he hadn't get it number again. Yeah. Well, God, God, God, God

rest his soul. Wade Wilson. You know, I think that Wade Wilson that first year did the veteran quarterback guy, the veteran president of a quarterback helped Dak Prescott along with along with Mark Sanchez. Let's see if if the drills and harping on technique and all that will help

help these quarterbacks improve. And I think a big part of it for Dak and making the transition his rookie year is he knew Wade Wilson believed in him because he was one of the Wade Wilson was a guy that brought him here and absolutely and he was selling him. They will admit that, the Scouts will admit that they thought they had Dak Prescott and they didn't accept at this time his rookie year, he was an afterthought. That's right. He was behind Jamil Chef was in many people's by

the way. They thought they thought they had him. The Scouts thought they had that guy. Another guy that'll be limited because limited in practice because remember he's coming back from torn acl all right, we can tenue and the effect that Kellen Moore and John Kittna will have on this Cowboys offense, and there is a six time Pro Bowl defensive tackle out there on the streets. All of a sudden, should the Cowboys be interested when we come back on talking Cowboys. Your new apartment's big, such a

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current Dallas Cowboys players and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Don't miss your chance to register for spring and summer youth camps at the Star at AT and T Stadium. Register today at Dallas Cowboys dot com slash academy. Mickey, are you involved in the cheerleading judging the tryouts this year? I did Saturday and Sunday. I was actual happy in the picture. What happened there? It was good. No smile, no smile from me in the back of the row.

The picture. You weren't smiling. He weren't. He wasn't. He was way off camera and it was like this. Someone said, okay, get together for a picture. Mickey's like, why, I was trading on what I needed to do to make sure somebody didn't fall through the cracks that should No, no, no, no, it was the team picture of the judges. Oh, the team picture of the judges. Yeah yeah, yeah. He looked like you really ticked off. I was on the edge. I think so were the picture and still looked ticked off.

I wasn't ticked off. It was it was. It was a good weekend. Of course he wouldn't tick especially on Saturday because it rained all day and we were indoors, right, and this was the first round, first round, semi finals, semi final. A week from this weekend is the finals. They bring back the veterans and the new bees. Have to like, Okay, you look good with going up against all the the the you knew the new much more time on the TV show. If I say something stupid, yeah, okay,

you try to say something stupid. I don't do it on purpose. I'd like it just it just happens, yes, okay. Gerald McCoy officially released by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers yesterday. Here's a sixth a six time pro bowler whose production has not really fallen off the last few years, thirty one years old, who was the third pick in the draft in two ten. What do you think the market will be like for him out there? I think it'll greatly improve now that the twenty nineteen base salary is

not thirteen million dollars. And I think that kind of being released ruined the trade value for Tampa Bay because his base salary was going to be thirteen million dollars. We're also passed losing losing the compensatory pick, right, it doesn't it doesn't count against Yeah, that helps. Well, he would be as a release player. He can't be, yep, a factor anyway. Right. But so you got and Sue was the second pick of the draft that year. So and both out there on the street right now, So

how long will this process play out? You think that will because one looking at the other, Okay, if he's getting wants to play football, okay, or go to training camp. Training camp is a big problem for him, or or as soon as the Reuben Foster of the defensive tackles. Well, that's what I was about to say. I think it might behoove Gerald McCoy to wait and see unless someone jumps at him with an offer, which I doubt they will. Right now, he's talking about playoff teams and stuff. That's funny.

He mentioned Cleveland as a playoff team. Yeah, so everybody's mentioning Cleveland now is the destination of let's go and be a part of that. Like the prohibitive favorite to win the North in the AFC. That's shock. How much do you guys know about Cleveland's roster? Do you guys know very much? They're loaded with young talent, They're okay, I know, I know that the NFL did a study or had a story about that the Cowboys had the sixth best roster. I think, yeah, the Los Angeles Chargers

were number one. I think that Cleveland was ranked two or three? Am I right about that? Did you should they go into details on why they're ranked just because overall roster names overall roster. That's what they said, from top to bottom, you know, the over overall roster. They mentioned about the Cowboys and the fact that the additions with with Cobb and Witton, those guys might not be what they once were, but it should help, you know. But they were talking about the All pros and stuff

like that. So yeah, I mean Cleveland's roster. They they I'm they're running a four three with Steve Wilkes is their defensive coordinator. That's true, that's true. They win last year seven seven, I'm just drying figure year. Yeah, I just asked, well, how many did they win last year? I'm just I'm expecting you to be so casting about this. I guess sorry about that. He just immediately just jumped on that, didn't you You weren't you knew that was coming? Right, Yeah,

you knew that pitch was coming. You're waiting on it. You turned on it. I did they Cleveland? See? Sometimes I wonder interest from Cleveland for this player or not? Well doesn't doesn't the player? The player throws his names if they throw it out. Yeah, so it wasn't somebody in Cleveland lobbying for him already like somebody? So again my question is there really legitimate interest from Cleveland or not? Cleveland is paying Sheldon? They signed Sheldon Richardson three years,

thirty six million dollars. Sure, what position to Sheldon Richardson play? So I'm saying, like how much I watched the Jets. He's saying position? Yeah, right, exactly. See, I need to know if Richardson would play the one or would he play the three? See that's what I think. I don't see. I didn't see much of Jets tape. So that's why I was when anytime it's an AFC question, I feel like an idiot because I need to focus in on not so much. See you what's going on? In Washington,

New York, Philly and stepped around a little bit. Now, so he was with the Seahawks and then the Vikings and and so they've got Ojanobi also, right, and so the Virgin since at twelve million a year there, Okay, yeah, so I'm sure McCoy feels like he should be in that ballpark. Well, everybody's going to mention Cleveland because they think they have a better roster, so that others will

mention the Patriots because the Patriots are the Patriots. They pick off players like this, and they'll mention the Cowboys because of where he's from and this Oklaoma city, Yeah, not far from you know, from here. So so would you bring it to the Cowboys? Should there be interest from the Cowboys in this player? They will tell you no. They will tell you no because they feel like that they want to see what they have. They're they're going to try and go with the young players first. Just

spend a high draft pick. They're gonna they're gonna give They're gonna give this kid a chance. He'll to compete with Malie Collins and see if he can play the three and the undertie. What be good? So what does what do the cowboys tell Gerald McCoy's agent when he calls and ask if there's hey, thanks best to luck, Please don't go to Philly or one of those places. They say, we can give you. We're full, they can do it. No room, no, no, I've talked to something happened.

Then I've talked to the cap guys. They can do a deal. They can do we can give you a one year deal for four or five million. Yeah, you know that's interested. But see that's what that's what they've done with Cobb, and you know that's what they've done with these guys. It's flexibility. Next year gives him. It gives the guy a chance to cash in next year. He's obviously going to be signing late. There's not as much old. He always wanted to be a cowboy, and

he would he would bite at that deal. You would do that? Well, yeah, five or six millions, I think, yeah, you would. One year, Yeah, absolutely, you would, absolutely you would. But see that's the thing about it is if if it turns into Okay, we're gonna try and do this for is this twelve thirteen for one? No it's not, you know, but who is it said that's that. We're past that, right, We're past the thirteen million dollars. I think Mickey just said it. We're past thirteen million dollars.

As far as not getting that, I mean, if he if he they trust me, they said they can do a one year deal if they have to. And remember last year he only had six sacks and he didn't have any sacks in the last six games of the season twenty one quarterback pressures against the Cowboys when they played, he had one tackle. So let's not think this is six times seven time Pro Bowler Gerald mcquoi. Still, he's still been pretty productive. Six sacks, Yeah, it's been what's

what's what he's averaged most of his career? Right? How many? How many did you look at? How many did Jason Pierre Paul had. Last six games last year, he had six sat he didn't have any sacks and ten tackles. And that was Tampa Bay. They needed him on the field. The sack leader on their team was Jason Pierre Paul. That was their guy who was there. Still is a I would like to have the guy myself, Yeah, I would. I get I get with Mickey saying here, and he's

not wrong. But the year before Jerald McCoy had six sacks. The year before that he had seven sacks, the year before that eight and a half. I mean, he's that's kind of where he's at. Yeah, most, you know, most years he had. According to Pro Football Reference, he had twenty one quarterback hits. Last year he had twenty four. The year before he had fourteen, the year before that,

seventeen the year before that. Tackles lass he had six last year, thirteen, the year before five, the year before that, eight, the year before that. So, I mean, he's give me the number of game pensive line, give me the number of games he's played. He has he been? Is he a sixteen sixteen? He started in play fourteen games last year? Okay, fifteen fifteen, fifteen thirteen, sixteen sixteen. My note here says he played seven hundred and thirty two snaps, so right

at seventy percent of the snaps and he missed two games. Yeah, I don't know, guys, I'm just on a one year deal, you know, I would take it's it's it's it's kind of like, let me ask you this though, Mickey. I'm just not trying to push in a spot but would you have done the same thing for Cobb? And I mean when when Cobb, before they signed Cobb, would would you have felt like that would have been money will spent. Yes, Rendall cop Yes, even before he means all you knew.

The only the only downside on Cobb is last year he had a hamstring injury. Right His production before that was high. His production the year before was high until Aaron Rodgers got hurt. When when our Aaron Rodgers went down, his numbers went down because he was playing with a rookie quarterback who weren't ready to play. There's one difference there though. When they signed Cobb, they had a clear hole there without Beasley, but it was still a one year deal. I get it. So my point was one year,

four or five. You know, I'm okay with that. Yeah, And so let me ask you this, but I'm not until a long term Let's say the Buccaneers had released McCoy before the draft, okay, when the Cowboys had a clear hold of that position. That's what I'm saying. Different story now, But you did just spend a second round pick on a guy that you really like and see

might Triston Hill. Yeah, Okay, he's twenty years old. Yeah, okay, one, if he's twenty one, he just turned twenty one, right, Rod Marinelli was with him one's birthday, right, yeah's right, that's right, okay, okay. And I'm looking at a player like that coming into the year. He's not the it's going to be very difficult for that player to take on the full load of an NFL season right off

the bat. Well, he can be a very very productive player in a rotation, and it might be great for Gerald McCoy's career to be more in a rotation as well. Better players are on him, I think would help. The other part of Jerald McCoy is he is a tremendous person and he's a tremendous leader, and he would be a great mentor to that young defensive tackle you just drafted. See. I was just trying to think about and I appreciate the way Mickey answered the question, but I'm always wondering

about this. You know, if if production, you know, was Cobb really the most productive, was he really the most healthy? You know, if we're not willing to do that, if we weren't willing to do Cobb, then we why are we willing to do this one you know, why are we willing to you know, but if again, if it's a one year deal and it's you know, I don't think you're going to get him for five million dollars. I don't know. I just don't think that's going to happen.

But if we're willing to do it, were willing to do it for eight million dollars, were willing to do it for that? I mean, if you think you were going to get Cobb for five million dollars on one year deal, I just thought I thought worse of Cobb than you did, Mickey, all right, I thought worse. That's that's just me. I thought I thought there was more were there and you and you factored in about the

stuff with Rogers not being available. You know, I definitely definitely hurt the guy, But I I was I would be more likely not to sign Cop than I would McCoy. Does that make sense, you know, just on just what I know, just what I know about you know the number of games, and you know, I think that Tampa's situation for a while there, their quarterback situation has been bad. They went out and they signed Jason Pierre Paul he was their leading socker. I think there's a lot of

issues there with Tampa. I think that's an organization that sometimes players go to die. And if you wanted him, you probably could have traded a sixth round pick and got him. You didn't want that. You don't tell them we're restructuring that that contract, you're not getting that salary. Likes point. You know you traded for Robert Quinn, a guy that's proven that can step in, and you know that, you know he's gonna help you this year. That's where

I'm how much difference between the two guys. Yeah, See, that's where I need to figure out because I watch ages about the same, about the same, and they're both limited on the sacks. One has his contract, one has six. I mean, if you look at Robert Quinn's numbers, it's very similar. Quinn's deal's one year, it might be twenty nine. Yeah, So Quinn's deal's one year, eight million, okay, six million guaranteed. And would you do that deal for McCoy. That's where

I'm at. Yeah, I think I am. I think I think I'm there on that because I think, to me, I'm not paying thirteen, I'm banking on a guy that, as you said, Bill is a good locker room guy, a good person, and banking on the players around him being better. And I think that would help him. He could still play the undertackle. We played Tampa late in the year. Last year, I didn't think that Gerald McCoy was terrible. How do you envision your rotation? Yeah, that's

what my question. You have too, but you got could make just a second I was that was my question. Collins, Malike Collins, could he play the one? He's done it before, he has done it before, he has done it before. But but you also went and signed Christian Covington, who I think is going to be a good one. Hider to me is kind of like, okay hiders, one of those guys you signed for not much money, thinking that, Okay, if if the competition is not good, maybe he makes

your team. If the competition is too good, he doesn't make the team. But he's like a three. He's a three. Yeah, he played no senses of three. Yeah. See to me, I this is where if you've kind of moved on from elite Collins in your mind, because he is he doesn't have a kind of tract after next year. If you've kind of moved on from him, then maybe maybe

you make this move. Maybe you say, okay, we'll let we'll bring the we'll bring U, we'll bring McCoy in with Hill, and we'll have a we'll have a competition at that undertackle. And then what are you doing with Tyrone Crawford he's a defensive end. Maybe yeah, because I don't have behind Quint's. I think he's ahead of Quinn. I think you bring in Quinn off the bench. Crawfords,

you're starter. Crawfords, you're starter right in, and then you use and you rotate Quinn in and you try and keep him as fresh as you can during the games and let him just rush past as much as his team plays Nicol. He'll be on the field sixty five percent of the time anyway. And what happens if Randy Gregory gets reinstated. Now you have some real competition, now you now you have some you Now you look at that and you say, all right, well, you know, maybe

now you make the deal about with Crawford. Maybe you say, okay, we're gonna move on from Crawford. There's some cap savings right there, A million after June first. The other thing is to start the year. Are you gonna have Tyron Crawford? Do you know for sure you're gonna have him week one? Yeah? Who Tyrone Crawford off the field? Oh yeah, that stuff. I'm just saying, Oh, I don't look at me like I'm crazy. No, I didn't know what you were talking about.

It didn't register. He better not get suspended. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that, right, But let me ask you this though about that. If if you own that restaurant or bar, and you had your employees getting accosted in that restaurant by somebody in his party, don't you don't you as a restaurant owner, don't you want to protect your employees. Don't you want to see something happen to him for what he did or what somebody in his

party did. I'm just asking this question. I mean, to me, my family was in the restaurant business for eighty years. If my dad didn't protect the employees in there, that's wrong. I'm by my dad. You know, if something happened in that bar or that restaurant where he was involved and hit somebody in his party, and he now he's going nuts outside of it. You know, he deserves to get fully whatever, sixty days in jail, whatever, He deserves that in my opinion. But you don't know how it escalated.

Evidently though, from what we're hearing about the story that somebody in his party was involved with a personnel in the in the bar, and then it escalated and outside the event went outside, and then that's where he went nuts. I'm just saying, though, I know, I know my situation, my family situation. But you didn't have bouncers in your family restaurant. No, but my dad's what was Yeah, but my dad protected the people that were working with you.

But you don't know how bouncers, I've seen bouncers in bars, how they can react to it. He went nuts trying they were trying to that thing, went out into the thing, and he went nuts outside. He went nuts outside. That's the problem. I'm just like I said, if they find him guilty, he should he should serve the full sixty days in jail for that. That's just that's my opinion. Is it a misdemeanor charge, So I'm just saying, anytime there's legal stuff, even when there's not legal stuff involved,

the NFL can get involved. You just never know. So when you're looking at numbers here on the D line, it's just something to consider. But they obviously are deep there, and they would be much deeper if you add another veteran. So it does spend an eight million dollars on a position and you've already fortified stop you from doing something else within a contract extension for somebody else. Does that take away talking about you give a Cooper if we were a McCoy, Okay, I don't think. I don't think

it would. I think what you would have, what you would wind up doing. There are other spots on this roster where you can trim salary, either by trade or release, where you can make up a lot of that eight million dollars. Yeah, it's not gonna think we talked about million. You need the eight million dollars available by signing Amari Cooper to a long term deal, because that'll reduce his cap charge for this year it's fourteen million. Sure, if you sign until a long term deal, that'll probably save

seven million. I'm just going on what the cab guys are saying that they can absorb. A Mickey's saying a five million dollars. That's fine, that's perfect, that's perfect. I mean five day you know. But I to me, I think it's it's one of those things where if you, if you feel like that, you can get a little bit better at the position, if you if you've moved on in your mind from Elite Collins MALIEK. Collins is the foot issue. It seems that he doesn't get the practice,

but to his credit, he plays. But can you is Gerald McCoy better than Malie Collins? That's the question you have to ask yourself for this year? He is, and for that matter, Malie Collins. I mean, if he were to trade him or whatever, you save two million dollars there, you know. Yeah, So I think there's ways to manipulate it. It's the question what the biggest question is how how does this team feel about McCoy, How how is he? How is he playing now? Yeah? And how much of

an upgrade would it be? And is it worth it? Yeah? Well how much does he want? Because somebody else might give him every year you can get you could totally get blown out of the water on a deal here, right, Yeah, I mean when it's keeping it all in perspective that he is agreeable to whatever contract it is that you want to pay him. All right, we continue with more talking cowboys in a moment. It can be hard to find the right resource for learning about important financial matters.

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to piggyback onto bills stuff. All right, the offense and Kellen Moore, What will the Kellen Moore effect be on this Cowboys offense? That's why we're here to watch OTAs there. You know, if if in fact it if to me, if Kellen Moore, if we go out there and it's I don't think it's about formations and all that kind of thing or moving people around. I just hope that Kellen Moore finds something that they can hang their hat on, that he can use and say, Okay, we're going to

build from this. Will McClay was talking about this, you know with Zeke, our identity is running the football. Our identity is toughness. If Kellen Moore can take what that is is with the toughness aspect of it, and then they'll come up with some creative ideas to expand the tough maybe not just totally run the football, but if he comes up with okay, if they get in maybe maybe running the running the ball at eleven personnel, not having to change to twelve or thirteen personnel to run

the ball, so teams matching, stuff like that. He needs to come up with some ways of taking that toughness that Will McClay, Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones want their team to be, and then building around that. But I'm interested. I don't think it's about oh look jet sweeps, oh look, funny formations, Oh look this net you know, or creativity.

I think it's about what do what they do well, but try and expand on that a little bit further down to where your quarterbacks having success your receivers are having success, and your tight ends are having success, and the offensive line is able to function the way they are.

The thing he talked about at rookie camp when he was interviewed was, to your point, Brian, his philosophy being multiple right, and he feels like they've got a lot of skill players who have versatility where you can present some different looks and still stick to your core principles of what you do. And to me, that that kind of reminded me of the way the Rams do things.

Not that you're trying to copycat the Rams, but the Rams have a lot of window dressing, but they still kind of run what they run after pre snap looks, and that's maybe you know, there's more of that, But I didn't get the impression from listening to him talking to him that you know, he's going to drastically change what works for this team. It's it's just trying to present things maybe a little bit differently and explore some

different avenues. And I think I'm sure they feel like promoting him to this role, his experience in college and being a younger guy, I think introducing some concepts, I think that's got to be something they've got to look at at least think about Kellen Moore in his NFL career. What type offense as a player and now as a coach has he been in Lenahans Lenahans? Yeah, so how much of a difference is he going to be now? Maybe he goes back to college yet ten years ago,

three game winner in college. One of the most successful college quarterbacks, Chris Peterson. If you look at what some things that they've done at the University of Washington with you know, with uh with Browning there, the quarterback there they've had. You know, Washington has had a lot of success in the PACTUAL. I think that what if you're if you're the great ones? And I remember being with John Gruden when he was a very similar age to what Kellen Moore and when he was first starting as

an OC. John Gruden used to steal every day he would steal something. You know, his screen packages came from Minnesota Vikings with Darren Nelson and Bob Snelker. You know, he always found ways. He looked at what they were doing in Miami with Dan Marino and with Clayton and Duper and those guys. You know, he was trying to figure out even though it goes back to the eighties, he was going back and trying to study. His principles were from Bill Walsh, you know, he was with you know,

Mike Holmgren in that group. So I think as a smart COORDINATY, you got to find ways to take ideas from other people. And again Rob was talking about, well, maybe it's the Rams, but no, maybe it's maybe it's the Rams, Maybe it's the Seahawks, maybe it's the Maybe it's the university, it's Arizona State, maybe it's you know, I think you have to find ideas. Like Okay, who who you know? Tom Coughlin put me on a project

when time in Jacksonville. He's like, tell me, tell me who that who these coordinators are, Who are the teams that are moving the football? Who are the guys? Who is my guy? Again? I'm sorry, I'm just brain dead when it comes to the guy that was Arkansas. He was at the Atlanta Falcons. He quit. Bob Patrino, Okay, Bob Patrino in nineteen ninety eight was a young and upcoming guy uh in college football ranks. He was at Auburn.

He was getting a start. People were kind of like, whoa this is this guy's moving the ball and then see that's what you kind of do, though you look for those guys that have various um ways of manipulating offense and putting people in. It might be very simplistic, it might be very complex. Will be interested to see what happens in Arizona with with you know, Texas Texas offense in their in their scheme out there with that quarterback. But maybe we'll find one day that they're stealing ideas.

Maybe people were stealing ideals from Cliff Kingsbury when he was a Texas tech. Or what's going on with Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. I think that's where Cooper I mean, I think that's see me, that's ke Kellen Moore. I think that's where we need to see him hit up to the work. Let's see what ideas he has on his own, but whether ideas that he's been able to kind of borrow and try to make his own. You know, he strikes me as being such a student of the game.

He's studied, there's no question, there's no question. And you know, even though he's been in Lenihan system, and let's take nothing away from Lenihan. I would think should that he would be open minded. You have to be about adding things. Yeah, I'm sure there's there's got to be things that he was watching those games and going, god, we gotta do this would be different, this, this should be different. I think again, adding John Kent and I think will help.

I think the tight end coaches got you know that he was an offensive coordina in college himself, and Garrett for that matter. Yeah, to me, this is where this is where if Garrett's smart, he lets those three come up with some ideas and say, Okay, this is what we're gonna be. We're gonna be a physical team, we're gonna be a tough team, but we'd need to come

up with some different ideas of how to move the football. So, because they're still going to run the ball, they're still gonna How many points a game do they need to score for you to say, oh, he put his mark on this team. They average twenty two last year, but the second half of the season after Marie Cooper got here in seven of eight games, they averaged twenty almost twenty seven points a game. They need average somewhere between

twenty five and twenty six points. A game. They still had trouble in the red zone, and we can talk about scheme. They went seven and one, that's great. They went seven and two after Marie got here, I said seven and won the last eight game? Okay, cool, they what does it matter? God, why did you correct me at seven to two? I in the last eight games. We can talk about the scheme, and we can talk about changing drastically things, and Brian's right, they ideas, that's

what they want here. But simple execution too helps a lot, would have helped, and I think personnel is going to help too if they had just converted some of those red zone opportunities. You get Travis Frederick back to help your red zone offense, get Jason Witten in there. I think that can help Kellen Moore just as much as scheme or coming up with drastically new ideas. Because they moved the ball pretty well. Trying to make your point, Mickey, make it so hard for me to agree with you

on anything, But they need to execute better too. It's it's nist off. In six of the last eight games they scored at least twenty two points, and they the one clunker they threw in the last whole game was the Colts. They got shut out. Without that shutout, they averaged nearly twenty seven points. Again they do it again eight but it just could have been so much better. They went I think they went one for five in the red zone against the Saints, and it took a

historic defensive performance to beat that team. You know, there's they had opportunities. You know, Superzila was so bad down in the red zone that time your back and watch that. Yeah, and the Saints scored with their great offense. Ten there we go. Yeah, got stopped a fourth and one. That was a great goal line. Stand why why it doesn't have to be a comparison between the Saints and the Cowboys.

They're trying to I understand you just trying to argue with all you know, they did score twenty two in the playoff game. They didn't have to give up thirty. Can I change the subject and two hundred and seventy three year Jack Black No, I would like danswer your question and we'll move on. I would like for Kellen Moore to have this offense at the level of the Rams, which was thirty three points a game. Okay, okay, all right, they got the Super Bowl. There you go, that's right.

I mean, they scored the Super Bowl. Who's not enough? Who's the best running back in the National Football League? Oh? There's a tournament going on television? Right? Oh? Is there the NFL network? All I know is one guy's won the rushing title two of the last three years and he probably would have wanted a third year if you got suspended. On CBS eleven on Sunday night, an interview was conducted with Zeke Elliott and he was asked by Keith Russell about that he believed Do you believe you're

the best running back in the league? Answer was absolutely yes, yes, And then the names of Todd Gurley and and sae Quon Barkley were brought up, and I'd loved Zeke's response. I don't remember exactly how the Keith posed the question, but he mentioned Gurley, he mentioned Barkley, and it was like, and you still believe you're the best? Yes? Basically what he said. I laughed out loudly. It was a one word answers trying to get paid. And then I'm like, well,

why wouldn't people consider Zeke to be up there? Well, I mean, but you mentioned Leon belly On Bella, of course, was not a part of this last year. Yeah, it's it's it's just unbelievable to me that Leveon Bellist not in Pittsburgh. That that that whole thing I mean, And you know, and we'll see what the career path of Levion Bill is with the Jets. We'll see how that works out. New coaching staff, potentially new general manager and

all that. But you know, to me, when you start talking about complete backs, Girlie bell Elliott, those are the names I you know, fought what seventy passes? Yeah, that's that's the thing. I don't know if people think of Zeke and think of like true versatility. I think they see him running over people and hurdling people and the feed me gesture. But the guy on seventy seven passes last year, you know, really can do. It's like the

argument that was posed when Emmett was winning. All right, rushing time, funny you should mention Sanders is the best. Funny you should mention Emmett Smith first three years in the league. Who has more rushing? Who had more rushing yards? Zeke Elliott or Emmett Smith. Zeke, Emmett had more rushing yards four thousand, two hundred and thirteen to fourth and forty eight. He played eight more games than so. Zeke had more rushing year. Okay, how Emmett had forty one

touchdown Zeke twenty eight. You're big on touchdowns, yes, right, all right? How about receiving receptions? Zeke had one thirty five, Emmet had one thirty two. Emmett had eight hundred twenty one yards receiving Zeke eleven hundred ninety nine. Some long screens, yep. So total yards total yards five thousand, two hundred forty seven for Zeke on one thousand and three touches five thousand and thirty four for Emmett on eleven hundred eleven touches.

So Zeke total yards from scrimmage has two hundred thirteen more yards than what Emmet had in his first three years in the league. And Emmett played eight more games. Yeah, he's good. He is good. Well, there's a reason, I mean, you don't spend there's a lot of people that were very critical of them for using the fourth overall pick on a running back, And that's your numbers support why

and you've won games. And again the offense is geared around him, and I you know, when you start talking about the best at play him, Girley, I'll be interested to see Barkley. To me, Barkley to me has a chance to be better than any of them. But I worry about Barkley for two reasons. They haven't fixed the

offensive line situation and their quarterback play is poor. And you know, and that's maybe the one thing that will kill Barkley if we think about the great running backs that have ever played and the positions they've been in. Walter Payton played behind a very poor Chicago Beard team until nineteen eighty five, until Mike Dickett came along. They

were very poor. You look at Barry Sanders, very poor detroit lyon teams that he had to endure with Wayne Fonts and you know, a couple of playoff games here and there, but overall bad teams you worry about you You will never you feel like about you know, I think that maybe the same thing might the best years of Saquon Barkley might be wasted because of the Giants and ability to have a consistent personnel. Yeahn't that. We'll

see they drafted a quarterback. We'll see what the offensive line, you know, but they don't have any wide receivers, don't everything to help him at all. Well, we're out of time, but I will say this, when defensive coordinators scheme against the Cowboys, who's the guy that they have to be most concerned with? Jason Wittenaco. See you next week. Enjoy your OTA Week. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.