Talkin’ Cowboys: It’s Pads Time

It's a new week for all of you out there, and it's a new edition of Talking Cowboys, the second for us here in this two thousand nineteen training camp. But the biggest news of all is they put on the pads today. That makes it a big day here. I just wrote down Pa d s Pat's pads past Missouri Education. Doing you well? Finally, Yeah, I think I could have watched another one or those. I'm sorry, did you?

But did you get anything out of you were talking about earlier about guys lining up and rotations and stuff like that, and you could see, yeah, where guys are kind of where they are right in the rotation, like whose first, second, or third? And that's all great. And in one day though I could do that, I don't know if I needed another day. You can see them in the walkthrough too. Yes, so, I mean we've seen two of those times. It's time to It's time to

see these linemen go head to head. That's all. The walkthrough is more valuable to me than the other the afternoon practice, just because they lined up and you could see where they're playing different players against and against against each other. Not that they did anything, Yeah, it was just skeletons. You know. The things I was getting out of the two practices that we watched were offensively, we're

about spacing, We're about route combinations. We're okay, we've seen something different from Kellen Moore that we haven't seen before with Scott Linehan. To me, it seems like better route combinations as far as okay, I get now why they're running the slants, running this, the outside guys running this. Okay, you got the back on the swing. Oh wait, we got the tied end doing this. I'm starting to see things differently that way. If you want to just just say, okay,

just give me something to look at. I've noticed that Dak Prescott and these quarterbacks have had more area to throw it. Again, we'll have defense defenders getting on these guys and stuff and We'll see if those windows shrink. But at least I've seen spacing that I haven't seen before, and I think that that itself. We all talked about pre snap motion. We've talked about different looks moving personnel around, maybe using the fullback a little bit more than what

we've seen in the past. But I've just noticed a little bit better of space for these receivers and Dak Prescott to get that ball into To your point, that was an emphasis Jason Garrett was making to the receivers yesterday. I mean, getting on them about their spacing, making sure it's precise. And he said, I said something really interesting in the press conference yesterday that he's he's acknowledged he's spending more time with that side of the ball than

the defense. And when you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Kellen Moore, all these coaches that are pretty you know, Mark Colombo, first year guy, John Kittna, work with those guys because that's where the most changes on us fire in his second year here. Yeah, and then on you look on the defensive side, when they had pretty well established last year what they could do with the combination of Marinelli, you know, Yeah, the the offensive skilled players better be in good shape because as

much motion as there. Yeah, think he's right, they better not be tired by the time they have to get off the line of scrimmage because they're using the lot you mentioned the full back right, Yeah, he better catch the ball like he's catching it out here when they throw it to him, like he did against Indianapolis. Show but they got one shot for glory. He is not a stationary player. They've got him in the slot. They motioned them to the fullback spot. They motioned them out.

The first time we talked to Kellen Moore as the new OC and OTAs the first guy out of his that he named out of his mouth. Ola Maze very versatile in Oakland. Well, we didn't really see that last year, so maybe that's something different. Well what you're also seeing too yesterday. If you notice this Jason Witten and Blake Jarwin, him playing wide and then all of a sudden motioning in and so he's trying to create He's trying to

create opportunities. If you're one of those teams that will bump your best corner all the way to the tight end or all the way out to a back out there, and now you put a lesser player in on, say Randall Cobb, or you put somebody lesser on on Cooper. You know, he's testing some some theories here that Okay, if I move, maybe he's getting ready for somebody in his mind that's gonna bump that corner all the way out and like, okay, I'm gonna run this play when

they when they put a lesser corner in there. But I've also noticed this guy's when they run the boots in the waggles, what have you seen? He's always kind of seen a tight end drag, tight end, drag, tight end over the top. He's using wide receivers for this he's using. I mean, yesterday he ran a really little

Night's Little design. And I've seen Randall Kyle run this play in Green Bay where he motions all the way outside, stops at the wing, and then comes all the way back across, and then Rogers hits him for that thing. All of a sudden, you've got all the trash inside. He's the defenders stuck, and now you got a guy

better run after the catch guy. And that's that's where I think a little bit more creative for me, don't throw the ball to Dalton Schultz and he lumbers around for you know, it's a it's a play that could have gone for twenty five yards, but it goes for for ten because you got a kind of a lumbery guy. Get it the ball to a back or a or a receiver that can run after catch, that can run after catch and get you a bigger gain on the play,

you know what I'm saying. And I think a lot of people think, because Kellen Moore is young, we're gonna have this sky sky Wars offense, Star Wars, Star Wars, Skywars. I saw that movie too, Sky Sky nineteen seventy seven. I wish can't could hear that right now? God bless him. Yeah he might be listening. He might be somebody else out there should be listening every morning at nine o'clock. There a lot of two tight end offense too, And

Blake Jarwin is incorporated to this deal. And I think it's a neat deal because Blake Jarwin has shown he can get downfield, which will open up good eyes. So uh yeah, don't don't think that they're there. This is like twenty twenty five offense. You know, this is back to two tight ends, which just gets back to a lot of people were concerned with Whitten, who are Witten critics that yeah, you can't get him off the field,

you know, and that sort of thing. But they're gonna have the two tight end formation just like they've had in the past. And so and then what you hope is Jarwin can block also like he got better? Has he gotten better at it? We'll start finding out. Yeah, all right, So last night Jerry Jones did his little TV car wash and went very well for Bill. I got to at least listen to that one. Oh you did, Bill? You weren't there for when it happened? Were you or

were you? He was hiding behind the trash can anywhere? Okay, okay, Oh so you don't have direct TV or no. Yeah, but they're they're they're limiting my Ranger games. Okay, well, okay, aside from that Jerry breaking down. But but but the reason I brought that up is that CBS is not being carried by at a tu verse and direct TV right now. Um, you know the I thought the well, I'll let you also say what you thought. The most interesting thing from Jerry was. But in regard to Zeke Uh.

He brought up the fact that even though my question to him, you have limited time, you got with six minutes six minutes, and by the way, there's no time to stop watch exactly so, because what they do is they had all four local Dallas Boards stations at San Antonio stations do it so. I mean, Jerry was sitting there at the gazebo area here at the residents end for an hour straight just talking to a car wash of different sportscasters that came through. I was the fourth

end line. See, there's no real chance for follow ups if you want to get every topic in that you want in six minutes with Jerry. But the interesting thing I thought with Zeke, the question I asked him was, is Zeke to this Cowboys team what Emmett was to the Cowboys team of the nineties. And he took it and ran with it. As far as the Super Bowl goes, right off the bat well the differences. Emmett won a

super Bowl, multiple Super Bowls. One of the things though, that I thought found most interesting in his answer in regards to the negotiations with the Zeke team is that it's been proven over time that you don't have to have a rushing champion to win a super Bowl. He did point that out prominently after he pointed out that Emmett Smith was the first NFL rushing champion to win a super Bowight, he was the first NFL rushing champion to win a super Bowl, And he was rather emphatic

what he said that. But he said, but it's been proven over time that you do not need a rushing champion to win a super Bowl. And his point is we're building a super Bowl team, and when we allocate funds to all these players, we have to have enough money to field an entire team. Didn't we question the selection of Zeke Elliott three four years ago? No? No, why not? Why not? I don't question it because he's such a good guys watched him perform these last three years.

Then why not extend him. They will extend him, but not probably for we don't know what they're asking for sure, right, No, I'm just saying, And man, that's what Jerry's point was. I think it wasn't the point you don't need a star running back. It was we need other things too. I can't just be the I'm on board. I'm on board. This is I'm one of the guys who'd like to see Zeke get into So what what you need to

find out is what are they asking for? Okay, this this is the This is turning into the same discussion we had with DeMarcus Lawrence. It's the same thing. There's an end pass. Well, we don't really know how far apart they are, right, And and then it comes to your point like, yeah, Jerry did allude to uh was he's got a plan in place right to avoid a a holdout that will last into the regular season. Okay, and that's good. That's good because I'm with Brian. They

need to resign. I lost my tranth. Where I was going was in terms of DeMarcus wanted a certain amount. Stephen Jones' point was, look, we're trying, like to what you said, Bill, we're trying to build a super Bowl. We need to spread it around. And the law said, that's not my problem. It's not my problem problem. Yeah, I'm I'm been to two Pro Bowls. Yeah, And Zeke's argument, I'm not talking to him right now, but his argument is I should probably be a three time rushing champ

right now. I'm the best back in the NFL. So how do you how do you meet in the middle? Now, Lawrence and the Cowboys eventually did, but there's an impass right now based on market. To your point, they'll meet

in the middle. They will meet, but right now, yeah, but if they but if if this turned into something, I'm glad to hear you say that he had a plan, because if this is going to turn into Zeke being stubborn and hold out the entire ye, then now you're in a situation and you're absolutely I'm just saying as far as team building, I'm with you, Mickey did as many great players as you can. This has turned into it's it's a great situation to have, but it's also

a curse. You have to sign all these guys, and all these guys do make Pro Bowls and are all pro and do help you win football games. But I'm just saying, though, if it's a situation where your attitude is we've won super Bowls without it's proven it. You know, a great running back is not the recipe. If you're if that's our attitude, then you should have drafted someone else. You should have said, Okay, we could take a good

running back, not a great running back at four. We could take a good running back at at fifty seven or at sixty two or at whatever. I don't question it to answer your question, Brian, because I'm glad they drafted Yeah, because because one, he is the best back in the league. Arguably he's he's living, he's lived up to that Moniker or that draft status number two. At

the time, why they drafted him. The shape of the roster was to help an aging Tony Romo question, and your defense was not at close to the level it is right now. They wanted to milk the clock basically and play keepaway that way, and he was perfect for both sides of the ball. And you know, he's still kind of the foundation of what they're doing offensively. I imagine when he gets back, it'll get done. You wonder if there is a compromise position on a shorter term

contract of that can get him. I'm starting to hear that around the league talking to people at night, that these guys that are looking for contracts are looking for shorter term deals because of the CBA, because the unknown of the CBA, And so if guys are taking shorter term deals, Rob, you're the NBA guy here, we've seen guys take shorter contracts to get the free agency quicker. They signed what one or two year deals or something like that. Yeah, or anticipating a cap spike exactly exactly.

So there's a lot of guys around the league that are thinking that, Okay, the new collective bargaining agreement is going to be there's going to be a big jump, and I don't want to be caught behind that jump. So maybe by what you're saying, there is to make Yeah, there's instead of a six year deal, there's a two three year deal that you could kind of work on to get to the next level. But I'm guessing a running back wants that long term deal. Yeah, I would say,

there's no question. I mean, we had a great mail bad question yesterday about that, which should should running backs because of the way they're devalued as they say, And I'm not one of the de valuers. I think a running back is huge, hugely important if that's a right word describe a running back. But the question was should running backs get more guaranteed money in their first couple of years here deal? But how do you do that? Well?

My answer is a great thought, but my thought My answer was, how do you determine what's the most punishing position. You could say it's running back, but linebackers would say, oh, it's us. Yeah, you know, we're in a car crash every every day, you know. So it's interesting because because that is the prevailing thoughts, right, is it firsts first round runbacks? Or do you have to prove your worth after the first year to get that and get that bump? Well, you know, I don't know. I mean that it was

a good question. I thought. If you look at Zeke, though, if you give him a three year deal that means he plays through twenty four and twenty five and twenty six. The last thing you want to do is a running back is hit free agency at tw seven. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, you would rather say, okay, I made it to twenty nine and okay if I don't, but I got my money. They're just gonna have to guarantee him enough money that he says, I'll take all that and I won't worry about the end number. The end

number is insignificant. It's how much guarantee money you get, and maybe you guarantee the whole thing. If that's the way to do the quarter. Yeah, yeah, I give you four four years for fifty million, and you say, okay, and it's all guaranteed. Yeah, that's pretty good because he is girls was guaranteed. I got to look that up. Oh, I just know that it was fourteen something per year,

but I don't know. I got a guarantee on and he right now, right now, if if they just came back and played between the money he would make this year next year and two friends chise tags, he would be guaranteed forty four million over four years. Now, that's only eleven million a year. You're gonna have to up that, but it's guaranteed, it's guaranteed. Todd Gurley's is forty five guaranteed four year. His is four years, fifty seven and a half million dollars signed a year ago at this

time and guaranteed. It's signing was twenty one nine total guarantee forty five million, right, So okay, And you don't know what the back end of the base salaries are. And again they have to adhere to the thirty percent rule on the base salaries. And that complicates this thing because you can't hide it all in a couple of years there's the back end of the base salary. It's at his last year twenty twenty three is seven point four million with a five million dollar roster bonus. So

that's twelve million basically on its last year. Because to your point about isn't Demarcus's first year base pretty low? It's one point five million, and then it goes to

sixteen next year. Well, you can't do that between twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, right, right, So that's where you're getting that if the structure is important too, and you hope the agent understands what the structure part of this is because unless there is a new CBA before twenty twenty, then and again it runs through twenty twenty. But if they don't get ahead of it, then you got to adhere to that thirty percent rule. Are we more worried about Zeke's off the field or his health

in a long term deal? I think naturally you are more concerned about the health of a running back. But it was proven here with Emmett that a running back can stay healthy and yeah, yeah, and Zeke has shown so far that he is healthy as can be. It appears, has not missed a game new injury correct, And I think that guys like Eddie George that played ten years, you know, productive backs and stuff like that, I think I'm more I would be more worried if I was

a Cowboy fan or the front office. I think I'd be more worried about the off field than I would the health myself. Right, but think about it, the really good running backs, like not just a running back, I mean the top level running backs. Usually they're not bothered by injury. They're not right, They're not you don't see a light. But with No, he had issues, don't Hopefully

nobody in my room can hear me. Curly had knee problems before, right, That's why he lasted as long as he did in the draft because of the knee problems at Georgia. And he had already had had his knees operated on. So you got to take that into considering A. Yeah, he should have been. He should have been one of my one of my favorite. If you gave me a Tracey between him and Zeke, I take I take Girly now,

even okay, even with the injury coming out of school. No, I'm saying right now, oh no, no, no, I would take I would take Sea, but coming out of college, I was watching it too. Yeah, to your point, Brian, back in the offseason earlier, when when the Vegas thing happened, Yeah, the Jones has said that's not affecting these negotiations. But you're saying just the possibility of something else coming up

in the future that could see. That's where I would but see, Rob and I were at the Combine and Stephen talked about this very thing, about this contract and he mentioned girly you know, and if you're listening, you're going, Okay, this is where we're at now. Again, Mickey, you've been here doing this a thousand years. You've heard the Joneses say things, and they've done another. I mean, I get that that's part of it. But that got my attention

to know. The day that we were at the Combine, we said, Okay, if that's where it's going to start, which's words it's gonna start. Yeah, And so now all of a sudden you're thinking, Okay, Mickey's coming up with a really good plan of Garrett Tea and stuff, trying to get that theme somewhere between ten and eleven million

dollars a year. Well, that's not girly, that's something that's something else and I think it was it Charles Robinson for Yah, who had a story yesterday that and this is all sourced, you know, and a lot of it's around the league information that that teams with good backs are trying to reset that market. Yeah, not have it

started fourteen plus. But that's easier said than done. When you're Zeke and you're saying, well, i've been to you know, I'm a three time rushing champ, possibly had I not been suspended six they look, they look at the deal that Kevin Dimoff did in Los Angeles and less sneat as a bad one, and they're trying to reset it to really what Freeman at with Atlanta. Freeman it was like eight million. Maybe it's it's you know, for a Zeke,

it's got to be more than that. No, but but but they're they're thinking about it's everybody's saying, wow, that's got to that's a terrible deal. But that's not that's not the agents. That's not their fault. The rams are the ones that did that deal. And remember what Jerry's longest answer was, oh yeah on Friday, Yeah, no question, this is us, no question. We don't have the Rams, have the Raiders or the Eagles with the Wins deal. Yeah,

and so that's you know, that's the bottom line. And it seems like they're holding strong to it because I guarantee you that's what's going on with Melvin Gordon now with the Chargers. He's looking at Girly and saying, Okay, I'm your guy now I want to be paid like that. Well, we have seen in history though, with the Dez Bryant deal. Was it the Marius Thomas that once Dez Bryant got his deal, the Marus Thomas signed for basically the same number right behind him. So we could say that we're

not looking. But when those numbers come across out of Pacifica's desk or Stephen Jones's desk and they go, huh, that's a creative way to do that. Okay, let's let's try this plan. Right. One of the things they may be looking at also on Girly's deal where it was a bad deal, is the timing of it by doing it, by doing it with two years left on sure the deal, which is situations different than what the Cowboys cabsolute. All right, So how confident. Is Jerry that a deck deal We'll

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Do all our content, make sure a good day we like, make you talk of all the and stuff. Our good videos are up. Training Camp Live will be up today. Two stories I know Mickey probably got something going on. So but thanks everybody on Dallas Cowboys dot com and then thanks for folks that fall us in the morning shows on the periscope Box Sports Southwest. Yeah, Cowboys, that's right, Yeah, Cowboys. I was watching those before coming out here. When did

those started? Like a couple of days before, three days three days before? I was watching? Yeah, good, they air after the games game show. Now tonight there's no Ranger game and so I don't know, we don't want to be early. Yeah, I have no idea when that would be eight o'clock or so check it out. And by the way, we ought to thank you. Yeah, yeah, you knew Mickey would be on this. Vicky is on Divot Patrol himself, and the and the divot patrol is out

there replacing divots out on the field. Well they're putting sand in the in the that's replacing divots. Yeah, it's like the golf course, right, that's ving range after I walked down it. So there you have it. That's the latest from Cowboys Camp. Cowboys will be out on the feed old when will it be at an hour from now? Ten forty five? Yeah, Special teams practices twelve twelve forty five Dallas time. Yeah. Absolutely, where the special teams walk through. Yes,

sorry I keep pointing at you. Sean Lee involved a special team, John Lee personal protector said he and also right guard. So he's lining up next to the deep snapper, ye, protecting and then going down trying to make tackles now, not with the first team, right but for depth purposes in case they need him. Yeah, and uh, you know, he kind of volunteered and said, okay, well many snaps, so you got to have depth. And so he's doing both of those right now and he hadn't done it

since his second year in the league. Special teams. The's a lot of Tony Pollard too, You're trying to get him incorporated. They're mixing in with some ones. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, you know that has to be Darius Jackson every every day here while Zeke's gone. Can add one other thing about Sean Lee. Did you hear what he said yesterday about reporting the camp? Yes? Yes, he flew back from California, where he already was taking

a little not too far from here. He flew back to Dallas so he could fly back to California with his team because that's a special moment, and this is his tenth year and that's just kind of how he is man that I thought that was took all this stuff not logistically sound, but you know that's what he wants to do because I flew I flew home to

fly back, and yeah, that's that's the essence. And if he had been watching our Cowboys training camp update on Fox Sports Southwest, you to learn about that on Friday, So there's another reason to check out. You didn't have to wait till Sunday. Yeah, but you would. Sham was all over it, but you would not have heard Sean talking about it like wet him practice. He was great talking about it, right and just talking about it's this is about building a team and it starts, well, it

starts in the off season. That anybody was on Friday, they but it starts the interview happened yesterday. No, it happened with us on Friday, Mickey, for the love of God, all right, we heard from the guy himself yesterday. Well we heard from him on Friday. That was my point. He didn't have to wait till Sunday. So but he was talking about the fact that hey, you're on that flight,

you're talking trash with your teammates. This is about building a team, and you haven't seen your teammates for five weeks for the most part, you know, uh, and so this is a chance to reconnect and it's all a part of the whole process, the journey that they hope will wind up. We're super Bowl this year, Miami, Miami. Robert Quinn reminded us that yesterday I would like to return to Miami in the Super Bowl. Robert Quinn an interesting talk too. Yeah, he kind of said, Hey, the

question was asked about the super Bowl. That's how we were reminded it was in Miami. He basically said, hey, we're all trying to get to one place that's a super Bowl. That's all from Yeah, somebody said, hey, you think out the season season. He goes, it doesn't matter, it's all about getting to the Super Bow. It's all about getting to Miami. I'm starting to hear that a little bit more among people in the organization. You know,

about championships and podiums and super Bowls and stuff. That always kind of been something in the It was kind of a little secret, you know that you really didn't talk whole heck of a lot about but some people in prominent places are kind of talking about more. Maybe that's a good thing. That's a good thing. Expectations and not to drink the kool aid. But look at the roster.

I mean, you're you know right now, the NFL network every night is revealing the next ten on the NFL Top one hundred is voted on by the players, and the Cowboys will have eight players on that list, which is the highest of any team in the league. The only one that we don't know where he ranks is Zeke. They're into the top thirty now and Zeke somewhere in the top thirty hadn't been revealed yet. But you make the top of Dack is not in the top one hundred.

On defense, it was Byron Jones, Layton Vander esh Alan Smith and DeMarcus Lawrence. And on offense you got Zeke, Tyrn Zach and Amari Yeah yeah, And those the offensive players are all on the top sixty four I think Cooper was sixty four or something or sixty one, something like that. And the defensive players the highest one's Lawrence

at forty five. But when you think about look at this roster, you got those eight players and that's not even including Travis Frederick or former Pro Bowl right Jason Witten, eleven time Pro Bowler. We'll see what level he's playing at as he plays this year. Dacks have been in the Pro Bowl, Randall Cobbs been in the Pro Bowl, and Robert Quinn's been in the Pro Bowl. I mean, so there's there's five more players, which goes to Jerry's point about I have a list, you gotta pay all

those guys. Yeah, that's why it's hard to empty the bank just for one player, and not just the top guys, but just the overall depth on paper looks really good. I was talking Rod Marinelli about that yesterday. I asked him, is this the deepest group you've had on your d line? He said yes, and he said there's really you get past Lawrence and maybe Quinn, and there's really there's very minimal difference between the first team to the third team

on your defensive line. And you got I mean, you're sixteen guys and you got to cut it down to eight to ten. That's gonna be really interesting, all right, Jerry.

In one of the interviews I saw that was posted online with the San Antonio Station went so far as to say I was trying to get him to say this, and it maybe maybe I listed off all these players and this in the San Antonio station did the interview right after me, and even time to think about time to think about it, I think, and he actually said in that interview that I think we've got the best roster maybe ever, which I think he got, got a

little carried away, got a little carried away the century, emit this century maybe ever as in so I didn't hear the whole context of it. Maybe the question was, since you coming to Oxnard whatever, I don't know, we might have to go back to ninety three was pretty good. That's where he got a little. I don't know. I was a green band, got my ass kicked a bunch. Ninety three and ninety four might have been their their best rosters. Yeah, I don't even though they didn't go

to the super Bowl, I don't disagree with that. Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all. San franciscot a pretty good roster too, they did, sure did. Yeah, sud Uh. Jerry came right out and said that they're gonna get the contract done. He didn't say win, but it's gonna get done. I think that's fairly obvious. And you think that'll happen during camp. They'll get a Mari done. You know, if they get a Mari done first, that opens up more room on the on the cap for this year

because he's counting fourteen million. And if if they can do the deal like they did with DeMarcus, then that they salary this year will be pretty low. And and and instead of all fourteen million counting even if he counted against the cap four team. I mean, they can reduce the pro rated by the pro rated signing bonus. So, uh, that one, if they get that done, then it creates more room. I was dead wrong. I thought Dak was going to get done before training camp. Yeah I was.

I was. I had that feeling like it, you know, okay, making progress, he's here every day kind of you know that kind of They weren't even taught. I didn't get that vibe, but they weren't it seeking. It seemed like, yeah, there weren't. It wasn't close. But this is the time. This is the time. Stephen Jones likes to get here and roll his sleeves up, and it always seems like at least one guy gets done, but you could talk to wouldn't speak was here, Maybe they could talk to him.

See that. I guess my feeling because if Dak was because that one was going to be the domino that got all the other ones. I think when the reason I know that Zeke his holdout is not about Dak. It's more about like a maori. You know. He we talked about the seat at the table thing. Yeah, people were saying to me, it's like he just wants to be recognized one of the guys, and and his camp knows that Dak is going to needs to get done. I think if Dad gets done, then you'll see the Amari.

Then maybe you'll see the z I think I think it's the opposite. I think if Dak's deal gets done first, that will get every because to me, that takes a big chunk of the pot. And now, now, if you're the agent, you're sitting there thinking, if we're gonna get money, we gotta go. Now, we're gonna we gotta get before this thing. That's why poor Byron Jones is getting squeezed. Well, Steven's already said he made a comment and I don't know when it was, but it was either the Mini

camp or the OTA. Everybody know. He said about when he was asked about Byron Jones, he said, I think we would like to see that, yeah, meaning that one year deal order. Can we see that again from him before we extend him. But when you look at Dak's deal, you know he's gonna count two million against the cap this year. If you signed him the deal, it ain't gonna be two million this year, no, So you got to take that in consideration. They did have talks with

with Jones's camp during the combine, Byron's camp. But he's coming off he's coming off the hip surgery. They think he's ready for a week one. But I guess maybe you're saying maybe it's a little like the d Law thing, like you know, I'm season do it again and then we'll talk. Yeah, okay, and that's only one year for him at corner, right, I mean, but he was originally in that group of guys that yeah, they kept throwing

his name in. Yeah. But when Steven I heard Steven say that, I was like, oh, okay, that's probably not a bad plan. Um. Oh and by the way, where you were talking about special teams, I was I was going to throw this in there. Uh, they let both kickers kick already. Ye, Redfinn went yesterday. He made five of six. How do you say? Or where the red where the red fern grows? Mick, there's an r in there? Yeah, there is, Come on, Mick, let's go. We're here. It's

just to remember it's where the red fern grows. We said we were gonna chart all this this year. We're not gonna not gonna not pay attention to kicking. This says r E D f E. M it's Casey with a k red far in. Well, this says m. Here, let me see that. Check his check his vision. No, it's red fern. Look there's a big font. It's that's an r N. That isn't m right, okay, thank you very much. It's this is the taste of our life with him. He won't ever admit he's wrong. What do

you think? That's what it says? Somebody else's fault Yep, all right, So did you chart the kicks five for six? Five or six for red fern and five for six for so we haven't tie right now, right, yeah, although at least his uh myers missed hit the right up right, and it was a pretty stiff win too, right, Yeah, ball, the ball looked like my driving day. Yeah yeah, if if if Mahr is gonna miss a kick, it's typical

of what he's gonna miss. It's gonna start, gonna go to the it's gonna go to the right, it's gonna go right at the upright. It's either gonna go over or inside or hit the upright. What's exactly what he did? What was the distance on that one? Last one? So it's probably I didn't see where Casey's miss. Okay, speaking of the kickers, So you think they'll kick today special teams? Probably not because they won't have Probably LP gets a day off, all right, so we'll see. All right, we're

gonna toss to break when we can. But I thought, okay, how about the decision last year, Dan Bailey versus Brett Maher. It was bald, but it was an accurate one, right, exactly as long as Mare is stronger down to stretch this year any well, even even don't take into account, right, don't take into account any thing beyond right now, even just for a last year, that was the right decision to make. As it turned out because Bailey struggled in

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Big fan of that. And if you get this for forty dollars, it's free shipping. Get Jack Black Dot a charcoal body bar of soap. Yes, it's like you got those. It's it's one of those things that has all the little bumps on him. Yeah. Yeah, so it massages you tube. Okay, I need to get that too, Bob. We can use that on your back maybe, Okay, help you out for sure. We all have roommates, right, yeah, can help me out with that. Maicky you help him out with that? Yeah, yeah,

no thanks, I'm good. Um. It was an award winning show until that moment. Two quick things Casey read for nice and legible in the media, Guy red Fern, Well, why did I look at the roster and Brian if you made the announcement on the show that about your your hair decision. Oh, I didn't know we needed it to go into that. Okay, I'm not cutting I'm not cutting my hair for the rest of Yeah, I know, I remember you saying that. And we're not making much

prognos either. That's what I'm saying, and you know, we're seeing five months of time. I can't wait, and I could look like Bozo the Clown. You remember Bozo where his hair was going that way. Yeah, very well, this thing I'm looking forward to most about this season. Yeah, okay, you know there's been approve so I'm all boy. You know George Dunham at the tickets getting a mohawk. He lost the bet. He lost a bet at when the

Cowboys were three and five. I guess last year. Uh, he made a bet that Jason Garrett wouldn't be back for this year or something like that. He lost let bet, And so I think it's the week of the season opener. They're gonna make a big to do about it, and he's gonna get him. He's gonna have a mohawk all season long. We're gonna do it out Oh you're not gonna do it out here? No, No, it's back, Yes we do. Yeah, he's a former Cowboy. Pa. Guys there, I lost my mustache in training camp losing a bet,

did you really? Nineteen ninety, Jesse Solomon was holding out on his contract and I talked to him. Uh, the night player steurge Or night before and he said, uh, he said, I'm showing up tomorrow. And I said, well, how do I How do I know that? And I said, because you've been saying you're gonna show up. He goes, I've got the ticket right here in my hand. I'm showing up tomorrow. So I got in an argument and I made a bet that he will be here tomorrow.

And of course he didn't show up. Oh so on Dale Hanson Sports Special on Sunday Night, I shaved off my mustache. Encourage you to watch. Well, I can't change the story. And that's what we cowboys, and that's how we do in this country. Right, we change our history because we didn't like it doesn't fit not that's true, right, that's true. And we tried to, Uh, we tried to. We tried to convince the bartender at the hotel we were staying for the week because we were in San Diego.

They practiced there for a week. Uh to she looked just like the Nazema girl. It was fair a faucet and we were gonna have her do it. And she didn't trust that. She didn't believe we were telling the truth. Of course, not talk to you for ten minutes, you'd see that somebody else was trying to convince her, not me. All right, Rob, I need that media guide for one moment, please, yes, sir? Okay. The cover of the Cowboys media guide for this year about a quarter behind this year, not a quarter there

it is Marcus Lawrence. Tank Lawrence is on the cover of the media guide. And by the way, I mentioned Jerry Jones did the Little car Wash interviews, Well the one hundred five million dollars man also did it at the gazebo last night after the Jerry interviews, and so I brought a media guide with me to the first question I asked DeMarcus is have you seen this? And I could not believe it. He had not seen the media guide and seen him on the cover, and what

was his reaction? He looked at it and he looked pleased, but he said, I wish they would have photoshopped it to make my biceps bigger. In my opinion, it looks like it already is photoshopped. His biceps are so big. Yeah, when's the last defensive player for the Cowboys and spen on the cover of me. I was going to look that up and I did. Maybe DeMarcus Ware. I have

to go back and where the quarterback or the owner. Yeah, sometimes it's Juneer with this a star if that's coming off and five and eleven season, they had three straight to star media guides back in the early ots for now highest paid player in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, right right. Not worried about him, right, not worried about him at all, but getting ready before that Wednesday before the Giants game kind of a thing. He'll be ready.

All indications from Stephen Jones said week one, how many questions did you get about what's he gonna do with all his money? Um? I'm not sure. I didn't stay

for all the interviews six yeah, yeah, um. You know, but in talking with it, when you really look dig into his background and just where he came from a small town in South Carolina, and and really about his parents and how they instilled a work ethic in him where you know, all the other kids were, all the other kids were off doing whatever, and they made him do chores around the house. I mean heavy dude, heavy

lifting stuff all from South Carolina to Boise, Idaho. That you know, that's that's that takes a lot because usually you know, if you do have a mom and dad, that's kind of honous. And maybe he said I gotta get out of here. Maybe that's what he said. But he wasn't highly recruited, yeah, coming out, That's what I'm saying though, the fact that he did. You know, sometimes you do you make those trips where you know, you end up in some really strange places in your life,

but it helps you get to that next level. And that's I think Boise. We've seen what Boyse has done as far as the number of players not just here but around the league that they And the other thing with him is he he admits that he didn't take academics seriously. So he actually made a stop at Butler Community College in Kansas on his way to Boise. And I think it was after that he was He did have offers from big schools closer to home, but he

decided to go too. He was he was nearly halfway there. Yeah, yeah, he made it to Kansas. And well the same thing with DeMarcus ware right, he has to go to Troy because he wasn't a defensive end. He was a title well and yeah, and it's right, and he was like a two hundred and ten pound. He played tight end and defensive end in high school two hundred and ten pounds, and I think DeMarcus Ware was one hundred ninety five pound UH wide receiver slash linebacker or whatever. He was

at Troy in Troy, Alabama. You know. Yeah. But the other thing about this is all of us here if we were on the cover of a media guide for whatever team that we played for. Don't you think we know about it? Oh? Don't you think it? You? And there's things they're away from the team they see more than anything else. Is the UH program, the game program because they put them. They put them in their lockers on Sunday, and when they get in there early and

they get nothing to do, they read the program. You know what I got. I got called out about something like, go where in the world would you have seen there? I read it before the game Scouting report, scouting report, Yeah, getting your iPad you read I've done a Mickey's Quick Things comment, I've done Opponents Scouting Report, and guys I know around the league have read it and said, man, you got our team right. And I've had a couple say, man,

what are you talking about? That kind of thing. So yeah, they read those a little scouting. But think about it. I mean they were that didn't come out to a couple of days before we left, right they're finishing them. Snag told him that he was going to be on the media guy. He probably you know, he's probably looked at a media guy. Don't even know what it was. Um, you should have got him to sign it autographs, which

is criteria. I don't do autographs anyway. The only time I've ever done autographs was one time when I was a Rangers broadcaster and the first brought Ranger game I ever did, Warren Newson hit a I was at Tiger Stadium. Warn Nuson hits a foul ball that almost decapitated me. It came back into the press box and it whizzed by my right ear and knocked the air conditioning the thermostat off the wall behind me at Tigers Stadium. And I kept that baseball. I kept that baseball throughout the

entire season. We're checking out of the team hotel, our last road trip of the year, and low to hold. Warn Nusson is in front of me checking out of the hotel. I got it out of my briefcase and said Warren, and I haven't asked for an autograph from a player since I was eight years old? Will you sign this for me? And I still almost killed me the first Major League baseball game I ever broadcast in

my life. Very good, yea. You know. The other thing though on this these professional athletes are wired so differently than the rest of mankind, and they have so much more on their in their vision than what I would be like if you know, it was a big deal for me when I was in high school, you know, getting some honor as a high school basketball player, our courier, Yeah, exactly, all district or whatever it might be. It's nothing to them, you know. They don't care about to take a picture

and put it on it. Now they do care. They do care if their Madden rating is eighty nine. Yeah. Yeah, because all their buddies play the game too, and they're like, what the hell's up with that? And he's got a point on that too. You on Instagram? No, alright, on Twitter, I wouldn't even know how to do it, all right, So or what you put on it? We got pads on today? Yes, okay, what are we looking for? As

we donned the pads for the first time. You think they're gonna let the lineman go at each other's first day? Sure offense, Travis Frederick would start there. Yeah, let's start there. Let's start with Travis Fredick. Think they'll let them do it. I hope, so, I hope. So. Need to check on that between practices, but yeah, I think that, you know, they would like to think that. Travis, for he's been doing all the other stuff. You know, Garrett said, full

going and we'll kind of see how it goes. He feels, Yeah, you know, you got Antoine Woods back in there playing, you know. And by the way, three hundred and three pounds. He lost the weight that Marinelli told him to lose, right, And when I talked to Rod yesterday and he goes, yeah, I could actually see has some definition of muscle in

his arm. It's not just flabbing around. Yeah, you know, I lost thirty pounds in the last year and a half and I got no definition the thing that Frederick, you know, I think that's something that we're gonna, you know, need to keep an eye on. How about Connor Williams being three hundred and twenty pounds now he's three Connor Williams. Wow, I'm not going I saw him and Zach Martin accurate.

I saw him and Zach Martin walking off the field together yesterday, and there wasn't a whole lot of different Connor looks like a different guy. Connor Williams is a completely different guy. So yeah, keep an eye on keep an eye on Connor Williams at left guard. Now, I'll just echo what Rod said yesterday. He wants to see Robert Quinn and Tyron Smith's that's another good I want to see that too. Yeah, what what are you doing? This? Roster had him at three ten? All right, throw it away?

Throw it away. Can't spell things, you do it down. Who's going to pick up that trash? Dak Prescott will. Somebody's getting paid, Dak Prescott will come by and pick up that trash because that's what Dak does does. Yeah, I don't sure. I disagree with that. I'm helping the economy out. Okay, I'll pick it up then, I'll all right, all right, we're almost out of time. We're getting off at fifty five. We got to get for the next show, which is eleven fifty five Dallas time. And that's what

it is right now, nine fifty five. We'll talk at you again tomorrow here on Talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.