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Danny Serek, and Kyle Yeomans. It is a chilly Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys as we continue to sift through the Dallas Cowboys offseason and get you ready for a couple of the monumental milestones of that off season coming up, the NFL Draft less than ten days away, and we're gonna do our best to get you set up for it. Kyle Yeoman's alongside heck My Harrison, the great Rob Phillips, and we're now joined by a little bit of football lore.

It's it's about time that we get a former player on Talking Cowboys again, and we've got a former quarterback back in college at the University of Washington, a fourth round draft pick for the Dallas Cowboys, played professional wide receiver, Isaiah stand Back. Welcome to Talking Cowboys. Isaiah Man. I

appreciate you having me doing it. It's going good, doing great, and of course we're we're happy to have you and most recently you were with the Dallas Renegades and a community outreach manager over there, but we're happy to have you here on the NFL side of things and getting a breakdown really what this offseason has meant for the Dallas Cowboys and as a former player yourself, I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the spot early. If that's okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go straight after it. I'm gonna

I'm gonna make sure right off the bat. That's that's what we're here for. We're not here to us around. But I wanted to get your opinion on this Dallas Cowboys offseason and kind of the moves that they've made with some of the veterans that they've brought in. And as a former player, is this something that is pushing them to being a better team than they were in

twenty nineteen? Yeah, I think so. I think that. You know, obviously, a lot of people with tend to focus on the talent that's been added, right, A lot of people always focus on the players and the veterans and the big name recruits that you can that you can pull in and you can get the big contracts for and you know, as a former player, I recognize that that that's important obviously, you know, getting those big time guys in, but I

recognize that also the development of players is just as important, if not more important. So honestly, I mean personally, I like the coaches that have come in. I liked that coaching change. Obviously Garrett was there for a number of years, but now you brought in McCarthy and you know his excellence that he brings in and obviously the guys that he has underneath him, you know, the Fieldings, the you know, the Marcus Pollard's, the you know, the Ryans. All these

guys are that are coming in. You know, either have been to Super Bowls or have been connected to Super Bowl organizations as some form of fashion. So I'm really excited about the support sism that they put around these players because you know, as mentioned before in the show, know the cast phases is they're gonna allow for them to get all the depth that they really want. So they need to be able to develop some young talents.

And of course with such an experienced coaching staff, it's going to add to what has been a wild offseason and kind of the craziness that not only COVID nineteen it's kind of put around really the last couple of months, but also moving forward and some of the uncertainty, and we're going to get into a little bit of that here in just a moment. And Rob, I know you, being a part of Dallas Cowboys dot com, you've heard

about this as well. And there was a piece written last night by Johnny on our website who kind of broke down some of these dates that have kind of been at least ironed out a little bit whenever it comes to the Dallas Cowboys and really the NFL offseason in general. But there are some of those dates that kind of stick out. What are some things that you've

seen that kind of intrigue you a little bit? Because I know teams with new coaches can start as soon as tomorrow, correct, Yeah, and I think all teams, I believe, can disperse virtual playbooks and things of that nature to try to get a jump start on some of the

learning part. But there's a virtual period right now that the league in the NFLPA have agreed upon for basically the next three weeks starting April twentieth, for all teams through May fifteenth, where it allows teams to basically do a virtual program starting with some offseason work and some online instruction, and after that, assuming you can get back into your building, which is obviously far from a certainty, May fifteenth, that's when you would hope an in person

offseason program can start for every team and every team can hit the ground running. Obviously, we don't know with COVID nineteen what's gonna be allowed there. And the other caveat with that, Kyle, is that all team teams, no matter where they are in the United States, they've got to be in a situation where they can open their facilities and if they can't, if one team can't, then

none can. So it's you know, the Cowboys are yet with the new coaching staff, can get a little bit of a headstart, but you know, there's really no question that it's a disappointment. It's a disadvantage for every team right now, and I would say the Cowboys in particular, just because to what Isaiah said, it's a new coaching staff, it's a new group that's trying to lay the foundation for their program, and to not have that in person contact just to not be able to be in the

building and get around the guys. It's a difficult situation and it kind of seems like there's a lot going on whenever it kind of as a player, you're you're supposed to be working out, You're supposed to be kind of getting into game shape or at least getting into offseason shape and building up toward twenty twenty. It's kind

of tough to do that kind of thing. In Heck, Mino you as a former player as well, I've kind of had to deal with that and kind of, at least not necessarily this kind of scenario where you're forced to stay inside. But what are some of the ways that some of these players can at least get out and get some training done. Well, Kyle, listen, I don't want to gloss over the fact that I'm on with Isaiah stand back my mom, man, Okay, I just gotta

say that right out. I'm a big Huskies fan, man, so I'm really I don't want to take this show off the rails, but I gotta say how excited I am to be on with you, man. But you know, look, nothing beats football like football. And when you talk about what we're doing and I read Johnny's article. It was a great article, by the way, just talking about some of the hurdles that the Cowboys are gonna have to jump in climb in order to get this season going.

And you're right, Rob, if it doesn't work for one team, it's not gonna work for any team, and that handicaps the Cowboys the most. I mean, one of the guys that really is not enjoying this social distancing is coach Mike McCarthy. He has got to be really upset about what's going on because he doesn't, you know, for a guy like him that already comes in with an enormous amount of pressure on him to have a success season.

He wants to get this playbook going, wants to get everything, you know, get these guys acclimated with his rules, his playbook and all of that. But again, as far as you know, the virtual the virtual workouts and things like that, I mean, it just like a bunch of guys gonna be doing P ninety x you know the next couple of months, if that's what. And that's why I say nothing beats football like football. And Isaiah, you know it, man, when you come in from the all season, you know,

most coaches, Man, they give you that coach's handshake. When they shake your hand, they put the hand on your trap. Then they grab your shoulder, then they grab your try sale they feel you up to make sure you've been working out. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of that going on. And I just think that the condition coach, he man, that guy has his work cut out for him trying to monitor these guys and

get them ready. You know, they're not a lot of guys out here that you know, are the terrell Owens of the league that slept in Barrick chambers and stuff like that. So you're gonna really have to monitor guys and make sure that they come into camp OTAs two days when they that get started in shape. And to you and to your point, man, to be honest with you, the staff that they had in the place right now for the strength conditioning program is Martin Nunts. It's the

second and Nne. I mean, yeah, Marcus probably Marcus Paul who was actually one of my my assistant strength coach when I wanted some bowl with the Giants. And then you have Harold Nash, who was my assistant strength coach when I was with the New England Patriots. So you have guys that have been with two great organizations, guys who were very experienced, guys who've been around success one

super Bowls, who knew exactly what they're doing. So if there's anybody who's who can handle this situation as those two gentlemen right there, that's interesting and sat down is that because Marcus Paul's there around Mike Woisick for years different Spots one championships, and he was kind of groomed for this opportunity. So I think that is an advantage, and that's he's a hire that maybe didn't get as much attention to some of the other hires on Mike

McCarthy's staff. But you brought up a good point earlier. And by the way we were talking off air, I was around you briefly when you were in with the Cowboys in the mid two thousands, and it's amazing out of time flies where Tony Tony Romos get his big contract a dozen years ago and his elite and all that, and now das in the same situation trying to get

paid too. M But you brought up a good point in terms of once this thing does get rolling with a new coaching staff, with a new voice, sometimes that can lead to extra wins. I mean, we saw it when Bill Parcels came in fifteen years ago, and when you came in to Dallas, it was the way Philips show and I players set players that you were a rookie. I believe that season, but players that came in or that were already there would would tell you we kind of needed a new voice, and at least for a

year or two. Yeah, I think I think it made a difference, and maybe maybe that'll be a you know, a good thing for this team here. Yeah, I believe so. I think it's a totally different voice. Obviously, I haven't had Mike mccraty as as a coach personally, but I'm very familiar with his a tenure as as a coach, and I did experience Garrett, so I understand how guys are going to feel coming off of that regime. So

I believe that it will be a relief. I do believe that with this staff that they have in place, with the coaches they have, like Skip Pete, he was a random at coach and I was here in Dallas, you know, coach of Marian Barbera and Julius Joneses and all these guys, and you know, he's all about having fun. I think that this coaching staff is going to be a lot more lenient in regards to having a personality, but strict in regards to expectations and a performance on

the field. Well. And I think also whenever you talk about the coaching staff this year compared to last year, I think if any if you ask any or poll any Cowboys fan or anybody who covers the Cowboys, I think you're going to look at a potential victory for this coaching staff over last year's coaching staff on who you would rather be dealing with this sort of pandemic situation where you are kind of limited in what you're

able to do. Even though it is a new voice, which is a pro and a con at the same time, I think you would still rather have this coaching staff deal with this type of issue, in this type of situation with our world right now, rather than maybe even the coaching staff from last year. Yeah, it's a it's a crazy it's crazy circumstances for everyone. And that's why I think that all NFL teams are having this pandemic is going to have an adverse effect on the product

that's on the field in the fall. And so we look at this kind of maybe shortsided right now, but just think about the time that's put in in the offseason, with quarterback camps and things like that. A lot of teams are having to struggle. And again, I think that the most important note h there is the fact that if there's one facility or one team that isn't ready to get started because of the pandemic, that no one

is going to be able to get started. So there aren't going to be any advantages to this at all.

But you know, look, you bring up a really great, you know point that having a new voice in Dallas and what Mike McCarthy's effect going to be, Isaiah, when you allude to just that championship experience, I think that alone is going to set the player's mind at ease because these guys have been there, done that, and especially I mean you bring up absolutely wonderful point with Skip Pete and his experience with running backs, Tyrone Wheatley, marrying

Barbara Murray, all of that is going to have an effect on this team. And maybe again get these guys are playing at a high level and having fun again. Yeah, absolutely, man, I yeah, I just you know, as being a former player,

having those coaches that have been there. You know, when you're actually, I think anybody right, any profession, right, when you have to when you're sitting and you're listening to advice from somebody, from somebody as a coach or somebody as a leader regarded as a leader, if you want to know that they've been there. You want to know that they've been through. You want to know that they've

been through the trials. You don't want somebody who's coaching coaching you through something that they just read, right, not to say that that you can't do that. There's plenty of people who have been very successful doing that. But as a mentor, as a mentor and as a you know obviously that in this particular profession, you want to you want to look at your coach and respect them in regards and just know that, hey, they've been there.

What they're telling me is not something that they heard from you know, from two uncles ago, and this is something that they've lived. There's something and that they experience and that they can really hand down true knowledge too, and that they're gonna be calm and confident in the stance that they know that, hey, this is where we're at right now. I'm telling you where we're gonna go. We will get there, but there's gonna be steps to get there. Absolutely well, now our fans help go for it.

Rob Well that it's Isaiah's point. That was the first thing out of Dak Prescott's mouth when he was interviewed at the Super Bowl about Mike McCarthy coming in. He said, he's got a ring and I want one of those. And that wasn't a knock on Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett won titles, was on Super Bowl teams in the nineties, but with a coaching change. You know, he's coach Aaron Rodgers. He's coached Brett Farve, He's coached Joe Montana twenty five

thirty years ago. However long it was a long time ago. But he's been around guys that quarterbacks that have won big and he's one big himself, and I think that, yeah, that definitely does carry some weight. I think he carries some weight. And the fact that now collectively, as talking Cowboys, we all have a combined one super Bowl ring. Just with Isaiah being on the show, nobody has to nobody has to worry about where they're getting an information from

because we've been there before. Right as a show. I mean it's it's automatic though champions, but just by by association. But kind of going back to Dak Prescott there a little bit, and I'm intrigued to hear both Hack and Isaiah's kind of because Rob and I have talked about this before, but their mindset around kind of his situation

right now. Of course, with all of the meetings in the virtual kind of offseason that the NFL is having right now, where does the leverage live for Dak Prescott in terms of trying to get a long term deal done before July fifteenth? Isaiah, I'll let you take that man. In terms of leverage, that's a intriguing question. It's hard, you know, obviously, in the position that he's in right now. We know that he's going to get a deal, no question about it. You know, you don't you don't franchise

tag your franchise quarterback. You just you just don't do it right. And they're doing it to buy time obviously, and he will get his deal. So I don't think there's any question there. I don't think there's any stress on his part in terms of getting the numbers that he wants. He will get that. If things were different right now and there was no pandemic going on and things were normal, I really don't think. I think if anything, it might have happened quicker, right, I think they would have.

They would have eyes on him, They would be able to see exactly what he's doing. There's no secret as to why he's posting some workouts and things of that nature, and he wants people to see, right. He wants he wants some leverage in that regard. So I think that the deal probably would have been done by now had this not been going on. But it doesn't. It doesn't prevent the fact that it's going It's going to happen. Yeah, I want. I want Rob to tell me about Dak's party,

because I know that Rob Phillips was there. Send him to get pampers, his wife, send him to get pampers, any skinny head to swing by Dax's house to get to the party. But I was not there. I would should place good baby your wife much. I'm poking you, man, I'm poking you when you're I mean, look the leverage.

I think a lot of that. You know, again, if if you know, all things been being considered that there isn't a pandemic, and if there was any type of holdout for Dak in the offseason where he didn't come in, I think the sense of urgency to get the deal done would be would have been heightened. I think because of that. I mean not just saying I don't want to you know, kind of frame this as him losing leverage. I just think that leverage kind of changes in a

way because of these unique circumstances. But you know, I think from Dak, even with what he's been showcasing through social media and just saying that, look, man, I'm training and I got this arm, this gun ready to go for you guys as soon as you're ready for me. Um. He's got to be excited about McCarthy. He's he's going over the film. He knows exactly what he does with quarterbacks.

That's who he is. He's a quarterback guru. And when you start talking about the Montanas of you know, the Aaron Rodgers, that's you know, enough set And so I know that Dak is excited. I know this contract part of it. It's just a part of the business and so and you're right, I said, no one franchises their franchise quarterback this way. And so, you know, the waters were muddy probably weeks ago when everybody was talking about

the Dak countdown and all that. Some of that has subsided through the media, but it's still got to be foremost on the Cowboys mind to get this done because we need Dak with McCarthy having the same brain so that that can be translated to on field production. And so you look at this point, you know, again we see this. In my opinion, I think it's just a matter of time before we see this deal get done.

I think that's a great point because you also don't know with the ever changing dates and kind of the landscape of how this off season is being handled throughout the COVID nineteen pandemic, it's kind of uncertain on when you should get a deal done. Now July fifteenth seems like a pretty set in stone, concrete date, but you never know that could be pushed back and kind of certain things could play into that. So I think if I'm in the front office, I want to get things

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Cowboys segment number two. Here if Talking Cowboys here on a Chili Tuesday morning, Kyle Yeoman's Rob Phillips, heck Ma Harrison Isaiah stand back here with you, and do you want to remind you? I talked about this a little bit last week. But of course the Cowboys celebrating their sixtieth birthday in their sixtieth season in twenty twenty, and the party doesn't have to stop just because we're all virtual. Main event has has been putting together something really special.

They've had an Instagram every day at two pm called Birthday with Me to celebrate all of the birthdays out there during this quarantine and shelter in place type of time. They've got candles, they've got cakes, they've sing Happy Birthday to you. Everything you need so go online follow Main Event on Instagram and then tune into their live story every day at two o'clock Central time to celebrate with

the others that have birthdays on those respective days. And I got an email this week I told HECMA about this, But I'm going to be a special guest on one of their one of their main Event birthday days because mine's coming up in the next couple of weeks. So that'll be a ton of fun with our friends over at Main Event. So looking forward to that, but I'm

also looking forward to this. So this is a new segment here on Talking that we're gonna kind of try and put together and kind of piece together a name for it. Like I said, it's a working work in

progress name right now. It's called Talking Percentages. And ultimately the rules go kind of like buy your cell, you see, buy your sell in really every form of media sports media out there, I give a statement and each of us are going to give our percentage zero to one hundred and one hundred being you're one hundred percent certain that this is going to happen in twenty twenty or whatever the scenario may be. So there's that's kind of

the premise of the rules. I've got three statements that we're going to roll through them pretty quickly here, but the first one, and we're gonna start with Rob just because Rob is our insider Dallas Cowboys dot Com and I just want to hear is Blake jarwin opinion here because I know you're a big Blake Jarwin fan down there, mister Rob Phillips. Absolutely so I'm gonna go how this first statement is Blake Jarwin will be a one thousand

yard receiver in twenty twenty. Just a reminder he's had no more than three hundred and six five yards in a season. Well, for such a fan that I am of his game, I don't sound like it when I put forty percent on that, I go under fifty percent because of what you just said. I mean, he hasn't had that type of production. Now, a lot of it comes down to just simple playing time. He got I believe, close to forty percent of the offensive snaps last year

playing behind Jason Witten. Now he's got a clear path as it stands right now before the draft being the starter at tied end. So let's just say he doubles his playing time and he gets eighty percent of the snaps this coming season, then okay, if he doubles his production, then he's still you know, he's in the seven hundred yard range something like that. There's just so many weapons on this Cowboys offense, and they could add more if

they add a wide receiver in the draft. And it's hard for me to see that, but I think he's got a chance with more playing time to definitely be a more productive player. All right, Ezaiah, I'm gonna come underneath the forty. I'm gonna go to thirty percent. I just don't see it happening. I think, especially he's still young. He still has a lot of learning to do. Obviously, in this system, I think he'll get the ball a

lot more than he has. But in this conference is pretty physical, so I don't think that they're gonna allow somebody to come off the line and run around for a thousand yards throughout the season. Wow. Man, So look, I don't want to go lower than thirty percent. I have When you start talking about, you know, a thousand yards tight end, that's putting him in the Shannon Sharp, Jason Witten, you know, Tony Gonzalez, stratosphere, the Rob Grunkowski's

of the league. And look you when you go the history of McCarthy's offenses, he hasn't had a tight end that is eclipse to a thousand yards in his system. And so even with guys like you know, I mean Michael Finley in that offense, who really had some really

from some really pretty good years. And you got to know, also with Mike McCarthy's offense, you know, one of the the smartest guys, two of the smartest guys on the field for him as his quarterbacks in his tight ends because of the variations of formation, I think with Cooper and Gallop, that's gonna bring a lot for Blake Jarwin. I just don't think that that is going to accumulate

a thousand yards for him. Now, if you ask that question a thousand yards for the tight end group, then I would say, yeah, one hundred percent, because Jarwin, Bell and whomever else they bring in, you know, I think collectively as a you know, as a room, these guys

have a thousand yards together. But I just you know, if drawing and I hope I'm wrong, I hope we come back to this five months or six months from now and he's, you know, there, we come back to the end of the season and he's at a thousand yards. Because if he does it, if if Jarwin has a thousand yards, Cooper has a thousand yards, Ezekiel Ellen has a thousand yards super Bowl, you know, I mean, we're all stoppable, and so I mean, I just think that that's a stretch to say that he'll be that one

guy that you know, he'll have a thousand yards. Hey thing comes out in May, the schedule comes out in May. If they get the giant sixteen times on Blake Jarlin get a thousand yards because every time he balls out against them. But that's not gonna happen. So that's a very good point. Now I'm gonna agree, but I'm gonna disagree with Hackman at the same time because I'm gonna kind of put my I'm gonna put thirty five percent on this. I think that's where my pointer, my overall

is going to be with his percentage. But I also you said I hope to see Blake Jarwin get a thousand yards. Now, I don't think he's going to be in that kind of category just because I think he splits. He's gonna split a little bit more time than we even see with Blake Bell kind of being in the mix as well. And then also you could see a tight end drafted by this squad next week as well, So I think you might have two other guys kind

of in that mix at the tight end position. So I think if we see Blake Jarwin get to a thousand yards, he would have to be absolutely dominant no matter what. And I don't want it to take away from this offense overall, because we should see maybe another receiver being added through the draft. So you're Michael Gallup and Amari Cooper. So I'm just saying, I don't know if I want Blake Jarwin to be a thousand yard tight end. There were only three last year now to

your credit. Heck, but two of those did end up making the Super Bowl, Travis Kelsey and George Kittle. The dumbly one was Darren Waller. So I mean, those are three tight ends that are legitimate guys, but I don't know, I don't necessarily see Blake Jarwin kind of being in that realm. I agree. I mean, like I said, if he does, I said collectively as a group, but Jarwin, think about it, Man and Rob you know, I know you're a big fan of him, and you've you know,

written countless articles articles about his potential. I mean, he's a guy that's that has been eating off of that potential plate for a long time. And as an organization, beat writers and everyone close to the Cowboys have always said the kind of player that he is and the kind of leadership that he potentially embodied. And so this is a I wouldn't say all make a break year, but I look for this year to be a breakout year for him because you gotta know that defenses are

still going to roll coverages towards Cooper. You know, Gallup can also be that guy. Both Cooper and Gallup are gonna take the top off of defenses. And then look you go back and you look at everything that's happening underneath Blake. Jarwin is that tight end that gets that yack,

you know, after catch. So look, I'm looking forward to him in this offense to having a significant production, but I just don't think it will be a thousand yards and I think yards after the catch is probably a better statistic for Blake Jarwin than total yards whenever the twenty twenty season comes to an incause right now. I mean in twenty nineteen he had eleven point eight yards

per catch, eleven point four and twenty eighteen. So if he gets up to twelve and he's still giving that kind of production with more STAPs than all of a sudden, you're talking about him is one of the at least top half of the tight ends in the NFL. So moving on to our second question, Isaiah is going to start things off on this one. All right, So defense, I know you weren't a defensive guy, but will or the defense will have ten plus interceptions in twenty twenty.

I get a one hundred percent. Wow, yeah, I get that one hundred percent. I think that the move that they made UM this this offseason. Obviously they have Xavier Woods and obviously they have UM. They brought in Haha, Clinton Dix, and I think that, you know, with their quarterback coach, right with the secondary coach, Al Harris. Think about it, the way that he played right when he

was with Green Bay. He was like in your face, put your hands on you, You're not letting you off the line type of guy, I think that along with front seven that the Cowboy is going to be bringing this year. Obviously, with the additions of bow Uh Poe and McCoy and plugging it up and being able to really force close in on the pocket, I think that there's gonna be some problems for receiving corps and and tight ends in this and with this defense. So I

believe that the Cowboys definitely will have ten interceptions. I think just purely off of pressure in cover sex. I like that kind of adding to the front side of your defense to make the backside of the defense a little bit better. And just for a reference, the last time the Cowboys did have double digit interceptions twenty seventeen and they had ten exactly, and that was tied for twenty fourth they had nine, and twenty eighteen they had seven.

Last year. We've talked about that seven number quite a bit, But Rob, what do you kind of think in terms of this. So we've got Isaiah saying one hundred percent, are you as confident? I'm confident. I'm not one hundred percent. I would say seventy five percent. That's where I'm at right now. If Mike Nolan heard this question right now he'd be like, seriously, we can only get ten interceptions.

That's all I can get my defense and year one, because if you look at the NFL stats year after year, if you're only getting ten interceptions, you're in the near the very bottom of the league. I mean, most teams are at double digits, if not twenty seven twenty eight of thirty two teams Cowboys. I went a little further back, Kyle, and they've they've gotten ten plus picks twelve out of the last twenty years, so most of the time they

get them. And even last year. I know we've talked a lot about the lack of takeaways from this Cowboys defense, and rightfully so, they have not ranked near the top of the league in years and taking the ball away, but they still got nine last year. And I think, I think what what Isaiah said spot on being a little bit more multiple with your defense, maybe being a little less straight up with things could create some more turnovers,

some more takeaways, and I think they'll get there. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm right there at one hundred percent as well. Like you said, Rob, that was my point. Also, just looking over the league and looking at the teams that you know that have had more success with less talent than we had, you know, with their with their takeaways. And again you bring up a really great point as far as what they've incorporated into their front front four with mc and Poe being able to apply pressure to

those offenses. So look, I there's no way that the Cowboys do worse than they did last year. At least again, I'm hopeful and definitely optimistic that they don't. And just knowing that again, with the additions of guys like Al Harris, you're gonna see those little nuances be incorporated into the defensive backfield. Not to say that the dB coach last year didn't have that same thing in his wheelhouse. I just think that it's going to be a different style

of play that we that we incorporate this year. I think the Cowboys will amongst the league at the bottom of the league as far as blitzes, and just again, when you apply that pressure, it forces the hand of quarterbacks to make quick decisions and that's how those interceptions happen. And when you get bigger upfront with guys like McCoy and Pole, you know their tip passes. Things that happened in that passing game for offenses that allow for guys

to get those easy picks. And with Clinton Dix again, the addition that you know that he's a guy that's gonna gamble and take those chances and not play safe. And I think Al Harris as a coach is going to get that. I mean, and another thing I want to point out is that when you know McCarthy won a championship in Green Bay, I mean he had free agent guys. I mean you Sam Shields, Tremont Williams, guys like that that played a really big role in those championship.

Charles Woodson you know as well. So hopefully we have that same kind of combination of our chemistry between these guys that can far exceed you know, ten twenty. I'm looking for twenty twenty interceptions this year from that group. All right, guys, let's settle down a little bit, because

I have it at thirty percent. I'm taking a page out of Mickey Spagnola's notebook, and the fact that you don't necessarily know exactly what this team has right now at this very moment, as we speak on April fourteenth, twenty twenty, we don't know who is gonna be the star of the defense. I know you, yeah, I mean, I guess other than Tank, you can you can write Tank Lawrence in there. You don't have a right defensive end at the moment. You still got to get Randy

Gregory and Alden Smith reinstated by the NFL. You've got two aging veterans up front. Could they be really good and could they be better than last year? Probably? I would probably put them in that category, But until we see what this draft class is, because right now, with the draft class, it's not necessarily shaping up in the fact that you're gonna get a top ten player in

the or a top twenty player in the draft. You may have to reach a little bit on a corner, you may have to reach a little bit on a safety, depending on what happens in the first sixteen picks before you get to pick seventeen. I don't I'm not confident in this defense right now. You add Haha, Clinton Dix at the safety position. Sure, that's a little bit of an upgrade from Jeff He maybe. I mean, that's the fact that that's a maybe is kind of scary to

me as well. Whenever it's moving forward. The one thing that gives me hope is Mike Nolan. I mean the fact that the coaching staff is different from Rob Marionelli's staff, and I think overall, I think that's something that could push us to double digits. I'm just not super certain about it yet. Now ask me in two weeks, let me, let me look at what this draft class is, and I think maybe then I might be willing to raise it up a little bit more. But I'm on the

opposite end of the one hundred percent. Maybe not the full opposite end, but I'm just not one hundred percent or as high as you guys are in that category, at least at the moment. That's fun. Rob he hit us with the Mickey heat. He hit us with that, I don't think so brought it back. And you know what, if you're going off of Mickey's philosophy, he always says, well, why are guys available in free agency? He wasn't that good? Right? I don't agree that they're gonna they're gonna miss bid

me Jones, but but yeah, good. I mean, you're right, there are question marks, but there's a ton of question marks. I don't think tends tends too much to ask we'll see. Yeah, see, it'll be fun to look at. Okay, final question before we head to our second break, and this one kind of goes back to the first question, but I think this one might be I don't know, maybe more likely we'll see in just a second. But Tony Pollard, our backup running back slash connoisseur of things out of the backfield.

Mister Tony Pollard has one thousand total yards in twenty twenty. Now, that's receiving, that's rushing. Last year he had four hundred and fifty five yards rushing on eighty six carries. He had fifteen receptions for one hundred and seven yards, so just under six hundred yards. Can he get to that thousand yard plateau come twenty twenty? Yeah, I'm I'm gonna start this off. I'm gonna say I'm eighty percent sure

that Tony Pollard can get that done. Coming out of Memphis, he was touted as a guy that definitely did more in the passing game for the Memphis Tigers. I know a lot has been made of Cobb going to Houston and how we're going to go into the draft and find a young, talented guy, which I'm sure we will, but we may have the answer to that already on

our team. And Tony Pollard. I think that when you look at the evolution of the running back position with you know, with Christian McCaffrey, and you see that there are a lot of demands on the running backs to do a lot in the passing game. I think that you'll see that with Tony Pollard this year. And then look, this is not a new phenomenon. Guys like Marshall Faulk, Roger Craig you know that played the position and they did a lot in the plast and games when especially

when their teams went to those empty sets. I think Tony Pollard is going to present a challenge. Anytime you have an off ball linebacker on a guy like Tony Pollard, he's going to present a problem. And especially and not to diminish our make light of what he is in the running game as well. He's very explosive. So I think he can do a thousand yards easy this year. All right, Rob, I'm my question is is he going

to play enough? And because I think he was at less than twenty percent of the offensive snaps last year and with a new coaching staff, maybe that changes, But because we haven't seen that, I'm I'm less bullish on that. Heck, I'm at like thirty percent. And I think he's got the capability to do it, because, like you said, even though he didn't he wasn't that high of a playing time last year. I think he's still almost got six

hundred total all purpose yards. But with Zeke there, and if Zeke indeed is going to be this huge still focus of the running game, like like McCarthy says he will be, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't be, I think it's still gonna cap Pollard's role a little bit. In addition, kind of like what we said about Jarwin, just so many other weapons on offense.

I think that's a tough task. Although you know, if you factor in what he could do in the return game as well, maybe that bumps that total up a little bit. Even though he hasn't been a punt returner and the people you know, when I've talked to people in the organization, it's not something you just throw somebody out there to return punts. It's not something he's done. But even with the kickoff returns, maybe he could he could check that total up a little bit, but I

don't know. I think that this one made me make the most. Kyle, this is a good one. But I'm thirty percent or so, all right as am. I'm gonna go right down the middle. I'm gonna go at fifty percent. And the reason, man is, you don't know how coach McCarthy plans on utilizing how how are your plans on

utilizing his weapons? Right? And if you're in the NFL, right, And I think this kind of gets overlooked in terms because you have so many big names, you have so many superstars that kind of kind of take the take the rein. But if you're in the NFL, you're you. You deserve to be there, and you have a huge skill set. And obviously there's no question you've ever heard everybody's opinion already, Paula. He there's no question whether or not he can run the ball. There's no question run

that he can take the ball and receive return. He has all those skills. But if we don't know how McCarthy plans on utilizing him, we don't know how he plans on splitting time with Zeke. We don't know if he's gonna go do a lot more two back in terms of utilizing the full back like he's done in the past. So just from the standpoint if we don't know how they're going to utilize their personnel, I can't

go either way on it. I'm gonn going right down the middle, because if they utilize them, well, he'll get a thousand. You know, If they don't utilize them in the way in which we know he can be used and how a lot of coaches choose not to use their talent that they have on the rosters, then then he won't get there. So it's really all in the hands of the coaches. I think as a player, I think he'll he'll take care of business whatever opportunities are

presented to him. And I think some of the reasons that you have in terms of keeping it fifty fifty or some of the reasons why I have it a little bit higher, I think I like the fact that you have a new coaching staff, a new set of eyes that come in and kind of evaluate that talent. Now, they haven't had a chance to really evaluate that talent yet.

So of course, with the situation that we're in, it's going to have to kind of rely on maybe training camp and some of the other workouts that are going to happen throughout the course of the off season before they really get a feel for who Tony Pollard is. But you talked about the six hundred total yards last year all purposes, You've got four hundred and fifty for fifty five yards rushing. I don't see that really taking

a huge jump. I mean, you can maybe get to five hundred, six hundred, but he had eighty six total carries. If he gets one hundred, you're knocking on the door of six hundred. But I think he could double or get even more than double of his receptions. He had only fifteen receptions last year. This is a guy who a lot of people when he was being drafted out of Memphis had listed as a wide receiver. I think he's going to be utilized in the passing game a

little bit more. So I'm gonna say seventy percent. I think he's going to add some more receiving yards. He only had one hundred and seven last year. I think he could bump that up close to three hundred and then. I also think, depending on if he can get fifteen twenty more carries, he could maybe start to find a little bit of a rhythm as a backup running back and be utilized in that offense and maybe a dual backfield. We were kind of clamoring for that last year as well.

So at least at the moment, Rob believes that it's more likely that Blake Jarlin gets one hundred yards or a thousand yards in the season, then we've got Tony Pollard getting a thousand yards. I didn't expect that one, Rob. Well, to your point, Kyle, Well, Kellen Moore is still the OC, so there is some carry over to last season. But Kellen Moore may very well looked back and say we didn't use him enough, and maybe Jason Garrett had had a hand in that as well and how he was used.

But you go back and look at his usage, his touches game to game is kind of puzzling at times. I mean, he would have a big game and then he might have two or three touches the following week. It was like he was in a lot of times. He was used when they had a lead and they were able to salt away games in the fourth quarter and gives he could break. That was when he was really used, but you're right. I mean he was practically

a wide receiver at Memphis. He does have those type of skills, and I think he'll be utilized a little bit more and hopefully they'll be running the ball a little bit more with him at the end of games this year because they'll be winning and trying to choose some clock, so hopefully that that'll move forward that number as well. So that's going to do it for our first edition of Talking Percentages. I've got all of the

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slash star Rob Phillips has some riding in it. David Hellman, myself, Nick Eatman, Mickey spag Noah, we've got it all covered whenever it comes to the NFL Draft, and we'll continue to get you ready for that as well. So with the draft kind of being talked about really solely in the world of sports, it's one of the few things that you can talk about at the moment. It kind of puts that pressure on us to kind of put out some of that top notch media content for all

of the fans out there. But also I think the pressure solely lies on what is needed to be one of the best Cowboys draft classes that you've seen in recent memory. With kind of the holes that there are on defense, with the money that's invested on offense, there's kind of that teeter totter back and forth between unique young contracts, talented contracts to be able to compete at a high level and try and get to that super Bowl that you've been eluded from over the past twenty

five years. So that kind of brings the question too, who has more pressure at this moment? Guys, whenever you're talking about the NFL Draft, Mike McCarthy and his coaching staff, the scouting department, or the front office or the three that I've kind of want to talked about or talk about here in the next twelve minutes or so. But

let's start with Mike McCarthy. This is a guy who wasn't necessarily involved in the Green Bay's draft process, but now he comes and he's now the coach of the Dallas Cowboys, one of the most polarizing figures in sports. What kind of pressure is he dealing with heading into next Thursday. Personally, I can take that woman. I personally think that he's gonna be good. I think that he's prepared. I think he's probably more prepared than any other coach

in the league, honestly. I mean, you think about what he's been doing over the past year. He's been sitting in preparing. He's literally less all he's been into it. He's preparing. You know, he's been sitting in there. He has been well documented that he's been sitting and with his staff and you know, just just taking notes man watching film a lot more watching film on the future versus watching film on the current. Um. You know, he's

he's had that luxury over the past year. So I think that he's probably more prepared than any other coach in this league to go out and have a great draft. And I'll say my other points for your for your

other questions. All right, that's a great point, Isaiah, because not only has he been I mean, he's spent a lot of time looking at the NFL and trends and analytics and things of that nature, but he probably could could have gotten a peek at the college game too, more so than a coaching staff that's having to spend fifteen twenty hours a day coaching a week to week in the NFL. So yeah, I don't worry about that

so much. And he did say when he got hired that you know, there's a there's a knock on Jerry Jones from people that really aren't even know that he's he's too involved. He doesn't he doesn't involve as many people in in draft decisions. But that's really not the case. And he said, from what he's seen already, it's more of a voice that he's going to have than he had in Green Bay. To what you said, Kyle earlier about about how that structure was with the Packers. Yeah,

so we're shopping for players online this year. I love it. And you know the thing is is that what you know Mike McCarthy in the whole you know, the specials that they did on him conduct conducting the largest Fantasy league draft last year in Green Bay with his think tank and going over analytics there in his barn in Green Bay. He has a lot uh invested in this and he knows well better than anyone that's who's available

and what's going to be there for the Cowboys. And and you make a great point, Kyle about you know, his past drafts with Ted Thompson, and it's you know, these things have been you know, everyone knows about how private Ted Thompson was, and anytime there was you know, any part of that that happened where guys failed or in the draft, McCarthy was the guy that was always out front taking the pressure for those things. But here

in Dallas he won't have to deal with that. And so it kind of you can't have one without the other. But the pressure is definitely on for Mike McCarthy because he has to hit the ground running with this team, and it's this draft is more pivotal for him than any coach really because with what he already has and with the pressure that he's going to have with this polarizing team in the Dallas Cowboys, you know that he's again he's going to have to have some success early.

I think that success could potentially come, but it's not just him. That's the thing is a lot of people are looking at this as Mike McCarthy led draft, but there's so many different parties that are involved. And we talked about kind of the virtuality of the NFL Draft and kind of the way things are gonna work, and there are some updates. Whenever it comes to the all virtual draft, every coach, every GM will have a camera

inside of the room. That's kind of what we expected, not only for fairness concerns, but also just for media and kind of keeping up with the draft, and apparently those have already been set up by it professionals around the league. We talked last week about some of the problems that could arise. Some of the issues in terms of hackers or just malfunctions and communication without communications apparently been solved because there's a dedicated draft line where you

could get multiple parties from the same team. So you've got the GM, you've got the coaching staff on the line with other gms and coaching staffs on a secure network that you can kind of draft and have those trades back and forth. So maybe it's going to be just as easy as ever to be able to find a way to make a trade happen. But also there's a mock draft expected this upcoming week, which is kind of interesting to me, and I want to talk about

that here in just a couple of moments. But with all of these moving parts, I feel like the pressure is on also the coaching staff, or as well as the coaching staff, but it's also on the scouting department, because that scouting department is kind of the only part of this whole thing that has really gotten a chance to look at all of these prospects at a next

level or even in person type of meeting. Right that's I just want to say, guys that for Mike McCarthy, he's got to be really confident in the infrastructure that's already there for him with Will McClay and Stephen Jones, and that's the one thing that has to give him,

you know, help him sleep at night. I mean, when you talk about the difference between Green Bay, where he had player development guys like Reggie mackenzie, he walks right into a similar situation here in Dallas with Will McClay, and so I just think that if you look over the draft, the quality draft picks that we've had, and you know that going into this draft, we're gonna have to get the most of you have to squeeze that vine and get all the juice out of it that

we can because we're gonna need for our fifth and six round draft picks to actually make the fifty three. Yeah, I agree. I'm curious. I'm curious what Isaiah. I'm curious

what Isaiah thinks about it. Because we've talked at length about this roster, and while they've done some good job, a good job plugging holes, there's I still think you can look at pretty much any position or most positions and say, well, they could still use an impact player here, especially maybe a corner or a pass rusher and to actmos point. They didn't you know, without a first round pick. They didn't have an impact guy really last year consistently,

and they need at least a couple of those. I think this year possible, Isaiah, which isn't always easy to do in the draft. Par Yeah, it's definitely not easy to do, and it's not easy to do with the picks that the Cowboys have a lot of to them right now, unless they plan on doing some trading in

the future. But you know, one thing I want to continue to drive home is the strength of the coaching staff, And the strength of the coaching staff is gonna put Mike McCarthy, Steven Jones, Jerry, Everybody's gonna put them at ease simply from the effect that they don't have to knock something out the park. They don't have to have a knockout draft pick every single time. So this is

gonna allow for them to relax. It's gonna allow you know, you know that the the staff there, the Scoutons department, to do what they do. You know, they've been working on this for the past year. They've been keeping eyes on guys for the last few years, you know, and

they've been so They know these guys very well. They know their Upsy knows that, they know their downs, they know their their mental toughness, Right, that's gonna be another thing that's gonna be um that's gonna be attributed to to this roster that that are going to really identify as a guy who's mentally tough, who's going to be able to come into the Dallas Cowboys. First of all, you know the hightened media coverage, the scrutiny that they're

going to be under underneath the pressures of a new coach. Right, So the mental toughness is more important than just a physical talent to me at this point, because you can develop physical talent, mental toughness takes substantially more time. Absolutely, Yeah, I agree with that. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Kyle, oh No, I was just going to kind of go off of

what you were saying. Also, you talk about with the trades that are going to potentially have to happen in order to try and kind of maneuver your draft capital to fit those holes and to kind of find maybe some of those impact players that Rob was just talking about, And I think that does add pressure to really anything that all three of you guys said, I think it adds pressure to the front office because even Heckmo a moment ago you said that you kind of have to

rely if you're the scouting department and Mike McCarthy, you got to rely on the foundation and kind of the infrastructure that's been set for this Cowboys front office, and they're the ones that ultimately end up making the picks. They're gonna be the ones that are on that that

draft line potentially trading with other teams. What kind of pressure is this some of the most pressure that we've seen on Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones moving into draft weekend, just with the scenarios that are kind of at Hyand I don't I don't really think so, Kyle, just because I think it's it's the it's the hand dealt to all thirty two teams. It's it's okay. It's not an ideal situation for anybody. And well, we talked about with the coaching staff, and Isaiah makes some great points about

the confidence in that group. They're a little bit at a disadvantage because of this seasons uncertainty in terms of getting players on the field, But from the front office, standpoint. You mentioned scouts in front office separately. I put them in lockstep because Will McClay is in lockstep with Jerry Jones and Steven Jones. They know what they're each other's looking for. And I think that's an advantage over other teams who have changed front office personnel in the off season.

They've they've got the bulk of their their core front office in place, and I think for a situation like this, they're in pretty good shape. Absolutely, And that's that's exactly the point, you know, having that that solid foundation of you know, scouting department that's not gonna reach on a draft pick. And so you look at seventeen and we've talked about this as far as the draft, that those players that they've had earmarked are are gone. You know

what do they do as seventeen? Do they trade back and do they you know go to the you know, BPA philosophy and if the best player available is a center from you know, LSU or from Michigan, they go there. I mean, I just think that, like you said, Isaiah, they don't have to knock it out of the park with each draft pick. What they do is they have to have guys that are mentally tough and ready to come in and contribute immediately. Absolutely, and to that point.

You know, I always think about whenever I hear everybody's speaking about the draft and all, we gotta get these big name players and we gotta get these guys gonna come in and have a big impact. I think about back to Seattle. You know, think about what Seattle did back in the day. You know, they're they're starting to get back to the roots and there in regards to the draft. But Seattle, they never felt the pressure to have to have a big name guy. They just didn't.

I mean, you think about the biggest name guy they having their roster right now. They didn't have to do anything crazy to attain him, right They trusted in their system. They knew exactly what it is that they weren't they were looking for where their day to identify the mental toughness, They identify the personality, and they identify the work ethic of the person and then they waited for them at their at their proper positioning, and then they grab them.

So I think that the only position that the Cowboys necessarily have to grab in terms of talent wise, is that corner. I think they have to go out and get a corner. I think you can't miss on that because you just it's hard to develop corners. It just is just too many, too many intangible as that are required, and it takes too much time for a corner to go from good to great. So I think if you have somebody that you can go out and grab, that's awesome already. I think you have to go out and

grab that person. But in terms of everything else, every other position, you have people in place already. You think about the old line, old line has been good for a while. D line, You got a lot of talent on a D line. Linebackers, you have great leadership there and some young talent that's already been coming up. At safety, you have a veteran in there, you have a young talent in there, you have great coaching there. Right, So

you start looking at all these different positions. All the positions are set for corner really have a superstar in regards, so you don't have to go out and get anything a set for. You have to mandate mandatory. You have to get a corner. You hear that Cowboys Nation, you can't be mad if aj Terrell from Clemson or Trayvon Digs from Alabama as your first overall pick at seventeen. You can't be mad about it because you got to trust the system, right Isaiah and spitting the fire immediately.

I love it now really quickly, just before we get out of here. We got about a minute and a half left. I mentioned the mock draft a little bit earlier, and I just think this could be the I wish I was a fly on the wall. Let's just say that, because with a mock draft the week before an actual draft, it's not like your fantasy draft where you do mock drafts with other people. These are gonna be the same people that you're drafting with and then you're gonna turn around.

You're gonna have a mock draft. And this is all for technicalities and trying to figure out the it what kind of bluffing is going gonna be made in this mock draft, and then also what picks are going to be made there that are not made whenever actually next Thursday comes around. Because I think that's one of the most intriguing things out of this whole testing process of trying to get the virtual draft ready. A lot of

bluffing a mock draft is gonna be a lot of bluffing, man. Yeah, I mean I think it gonna make can make actual pick mock picks. Are they just gonna say, hey, pick X, you know, or something like that. I hope they would. I'd bluff the hell out of it if I'm just see,

I think that'd be so funny just to bluff everything up. Oh, the Bengals are taking two a first and then the second pick the Redskins are gonna take Joe Burrow, and then all of a sudden it's all thrown off and it's all crazy and kind of crazy from then on out. But I just was wondering if they were actually gonna make picks. But Rob, you make a good point. I bet they're just gonna go with X and Y and

just different values here and there. But that is gonna do it here for Talking Cowboys special thanks to Isaiah stand Back joining the crew for the first time today. Glad to have you, man, and can't wait to talk to you again soon down the line. I appreciate it, man, I'm glad to be a partner crew. Absolutely so for Isaiah stand Back. For Rob Phillips four. Heck my Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long here for talking Cowboys.

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