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Chris Beazy, Chris Bean, beat me up, Scotty. I heard you start the show like that. I like that's We'll see Beazy's Xbox name, his gamer tack Daddy Shark, DoD DoD DoD DoD DoD dode. I'm not gonna say how many dudes because I don't want to give it a blow him up, But it's Daddy Shark. Daddy Shark is what it is. Ultimately, it's a it's a really really good Xbox name. He got it, like really early on. Before that he get marked one. He just said sometimes.

But yeah, so that's that's Beasi's mind. Yeah, Okay, there you go. So maybe you can't eat to buy it. I need to buy it. You need to heck on? What would your Xbox name be? Kill them? Okay, yeah, I feel like that's probably that's probably yea early on, probably like you would have to be like killer or seven never something like that, something like that. Yeah, lot of numbers after it, Rob, What would you be afraid of roller coasters? Yeah? Probably scared of stuff, scared of

stuff seventeen something like that. Back, I like that, I don't scared off. I got phobious. I got phobious. I got phobius. Scared girl dad screaming Aggie, disappointed Aggie about that. That one's definitely taken. I guarantee that after Saturday, we need somebody eats a photoshop like a picture of us. We don't have a coach right now. Nobody's rumored to go to every other job in the country every year.

Can somebody, somebody out there who's listening, photoshop just like a lower third on each one of our names, and it's the Xbox gamer tag, the ones that they liked the most. Take a pole top three or four selections for each person. What would yours be? I don't know, I don't know. You dubbed for life, Yeah, something Seattle, Seattle. My actual gamer tag is zu side four. Crazy? How I got like that? That's number was four? My nickname

was Zeus name my boys. You say zu side, This would be Judge dreads, Judge d I was thinking crazy for the cracking or something like like that with Seattle. But I like that. You like the crack crack like anything Seattle cracking. There you go, that's all right. News

and Notes for the Cowboys. Jerry Jones was on the fan a couple moments ago, and I don't know what you thought about what he had to say on the radio, but I want to say he might have tipped his hand as to what could happen when Tyron Smith comes back. There is a chance that he does come back this week. Stephen Jones said that yesterday on the fan, But what's the situation at the left tackle spot and is there

anything moving into the week to be encouraged enough. Everybody has sounded like tire and has a great chance to play this week, and look, they'll see how it goes. I asked Mike about it yesterday. The plan is for him to get into practice. On some level. It doesn't sound like it's going to be the heaviest Wednesday practice they've had because they know they've got this crazy stretch three games and twelve days ahead. But I think they feel good about it. So but yeah, to your point,

Jerry was asked, what's your right tackle plan? He said, I don't know if we know now. Maybe that's Jerry just saying I don't want to tell you on Tuesday, even though he's he's kind of tipped his hand in the past, or at least given his impressions of what they might do. So I don't know. We'll see because I think both guys Karen Steele and law Collins played better in this past game at left tackle for Steel right tackle for Collins. I'm not sure what they should

do either. I don't know if there's a clear cut answer here. I don't know how you guys feel about it, But how do you feel about it? I feel good about it. I feel good about what Taran Steele did against Atlanta. But you don't understand without the threa of a bona fide pass rush, you would expect him to be as good as he as he was. Obviously, those improvements have got to make this coaching staff feel a lot better about him right now when you think about

three games in twelve days. I believe that's what this next stretch is going to be. When Tyren Smith, his availability is important to us right now. So if he's eighty percent, I set him. It doesn't matter ninety percent I sit him because we're gonna need him over this last stretch. And so like we face this each and every season with this stretch, and so it's very important.

And Mike McCarthy talked about it in the pressor yesterday about how important just watching guys and monitoring health right now is to the squad. So if we don't do that, I think we're doing ourselves a disservice. We have a few AFC opponents that we're going against but again, we have to watch the health of our team. Yep, I don't disagree. I think I think you have to for him as a as a vet. You need to get him back as healthy as possible. So if he's not

one hundle, keep him sitting down. Sure he's good, because I mean, we we're looking big picture here. You know, it's not like we have a like we have a bum behind him. Uh you know, Tarren Steele got his legs up underneath them. You know, that's something that we said he needed to do. M on the backbone of the Minnesota game. And he did that, right, He showed up. He took care of business. We're not sitting here talking about how how bad he played and how he was

using the wrong hand and all that jazz. Right, So he took care of business. If we have a healthy, healthy Tyrone, obviously we want him. But if he's not, let's not let's not play with him because we know, you know, unfortunately and guys are some guys are more susceptible to injuries than others, and he has a history of that. So let's make sure he's as healthy as

can be when he comes back. I'm sorry, did you think he dropped a hint on what they might do at right tackle or that or that, or that Tyrone would just be back this week, so go I'll have to go back and look at it. But the way that I interpreted it on the fan was before he started talking about that specific and they asked him that question, what would you do it right tackling? He his quote was,

I don't know if we know. At the moment before that, he was talking about Terrence Steele and he mentioned that Terrence Steele had played better and he's having a great year. He I think he said a top notch year or

something of the sword. I don't remember the exact quote there, but then he kind of rattled on a little bit and kind of draw the or I guess finished the rest of his answer by saying, Terren Steele has played well on us to give us a great option, a great reserve option at left tackle as well as right tackle. And I think that might have tipped his hand as

maybe saying, okay, here, he's back to swing tackle. Which is something that I know Heckma you had talked about previously, is that if Collins takes over at right tackle, he doesn't give that job back, especially whenever Terrence Steele moves to the left. Once Terren Steele is done being at left tackle, Tyren Smith returns, then Terrence Steele is then the swing tackle. Am I under Am I being delusional when I say that it was apparent that Leo Collins

is a better right tackle last week? Just the power that he has and the illusional Okay, because I see immediately a guy that comes out and his presence, how physical he is at the right tackle. So I mean, I understand. Look, Terrence Steele has done a wonderful job, you know, but I just I don't think he's going back to right tackle over Well, that's kind of Jerry

kind of reference. I think what you're talking about, how physical let he called us, He called him the enforcer of the offensive line, and then he's kind of got a dark side in terms of just how nasty he can get in that group, and I think that is something he brings to the table. But then there's this whole continuity thing too. When Terrence Steel has been over there for five games, they've had a ton of success.

And Mike McCarthy said at the start of the year, when you've got the same five starting the entire season, like analytically, you're gonna win a lot of football games now, Lyle Collins has been the mainstay there, so it's a different kind of situation. But I don't have a field right now for what they're gonna do either. Are we getting a false sense of hope for Taryn Steele, a left tackle though, because of the way he played against Atlanta?

You mentioned it, there's a difference between the Denver pass rush and the Atlanta pass rush. Even Denver, we were looking at it on paper and saying, you know what, like this team didn't have Von Miller, they didn't have Bradley Chubb. That that didn't look like the pass rush that would have made noise. Oh, they made some noise Atlanta we went into its end. Yeah. No, there should not be any pressure in this ball game at all, and there wasn't. And that's a credit to yes, the

offensive line. But I just don't want to get ahead of myself and Isaiah you can give your input on this as well. Just because they didn't give up anything against Atlanta doesn't mean they weren't moving forward. No. I mean any team that you play against, you know, in this league, you're susceptible to them finding a way to generate pressure. So I mean the comfort you know, the continuity obviously, Collins is when he's healthy, he's the he's

the best tackle right tackle we have, hands down. That's not even a conversation piece. But the continuity's question is what we is something we were trying to figure out, right, how how long is it going to take him to get back integrated? How long is gonna take me to feed underneath them? You know, how are his hips all those kind of things right? So we see that he's he's good, so you keep him there, right, he's ready

to take care of business. Um did the same issue, the same question marks that we have in terms of continuity and all that stuff. Our upcoming opponent is trying to figure out as well. And I know we're gonna talk not talking about them yet, but their officive line was totally shaking up this year and they ain't had pretty much five fresh ones up there. And that's what they're trying to figure out, that continuity piece. The guys that are better guys versus the guys that have been

already playing, and do we switch these guys out? So this is a problem that that obviously we're not the only team that's trying to figure it out. But you know, as long as again I think Colin's healthy obviously playing, If Smith's not one hundred percent, the heck's point, keep him off. We're you surprised that Dante Fowler came off for I R before this game. He's the one guy that when he when I saw Dante Fowler run out of the I can't believe he would actually get healthy.

Obviously got healthy for this game, and I was looking forward to that matchup. A tern still handle him. I mean, he didn't have any pressure maybe one pressure on Dak, but that's a good problem to have, no matter. I mean, we're talking about something that's really good, great, a great problem to have, and we're talking about depth and maybe down the line, if there's something anything that happens for me Thymas Smith, I just want to see him back healthy.

We knew that they we come to a point in the season where he pops possibly would miss some games. Now that we have a bunch what we feel like we have a bona fide tween tackle. Zeke is doing so many good things in pass pro and also with our blocking tight ends McEwen being back. He did a heck of a job as well. So look if we can kind of band aid this for these next couple of weeks twelve games, I'm excuse me, three games in

twelve days, like I think it benefits us. Yeah, and they've just they got to clean up the penalties inside and look at particularly it's Connor Williams at the left guard spot, and it's you know, everybody's spoken about it. Jerry spoke about it again this morning, like, not that he's getting necessarily bad calls against him, but there's something he's doing technique wise. It's leverage that is catching the official detention and I think he's leading the league in

penalties now. Oh yeah, it's something that's it's got a change. You can look at all of them and say, yeah, not every one of them's you know, maybe a fair call or it's close, but if it's keep calling against you, you gotta do something and change about it. So, uh, that's that's the biggest thing right now, besides figuring out that right side. Assuming you get tiring back, you got

you gotta shore that up. That's weight room and leverage for for for a Connor for for that Connor bro I mean, I feel as if he's undersized at that position. I don't want to see him in person. He looks like he's still a grown man obviously, but he definitely came into the league underside. He came into under size, and unfortunately, genetics plays a huge part when you know, it's not it's not just about technique at that position, he's going against the strongest Literally, he's going against the

strongest guys on the field. When you're playing at the guard position, the biggest dudes, the biggest, strongest guys that the opponent has is coming against you. And leverage plays apart, weight plays apart, strength plays apart right, and unfortunately, I think he's probably taking an l in all three of those categories whenever he steps on the field with most opponents. Jarrett was another problem, Grady Jared, I mean, yeah, again, you know we've seen it with some other matchups earlier

this season as well. Yeah, do you think Connor McGovern gets a little bit of playing time? I know Jerry was asked that question and he kind of shifted it aside and talked about player versatility, position flex and saying that most of the snaps that McGovern has had have come on the right side, but he did get some snaps at left guard whenever Connor Williams was taking snaps as the backup center. Connor McGovern was the left guard in those sets throughout training camp and I'm certain that

probably has continued into the season as well. But do you think there's a chance McGovern maybe gets into rotation a little bit if the penalties continue. McGovern is obviously doing something from Monday to Sunday that's not getting him any reps on the offensive line, And going back to Connor Williams, I just feel as though, man, you know, with anything on any team, you're only strong as your

weakest link. So if we're gonna say, of the starting guys that we have, Connor Williams is the weakest linked, then the team is obviously trying to figure out a way to not have him get the penalties that he's getting. Right, But it's either it's either whole Jared or allow him to get a sack. It's a it's you know, so I for one, Connor, go ahead and hold him so that we don't get that pressure. But it is and as the course of the game, went on every time

that was a flag. You're just going it's holding yeah, you know, so, I mean, I just want him to get better, be better. It's like, you know, we're seven and two. We're seven and two, and I don't want to nick pick the hell out of Connor Williams, but you know, let's he's been the guy last year that stayed the healthiest. You know, Um, he's having to help be honest as well, and them two together, if we could just mend them into one, I guess that's the

way I gotta look at it. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta look at it in the grand scheme of things too. Like you said, we're nitpicking right now. A lot of those penalties happened in the second half of a forty three to three win. Now, if those penalties happen and it's a three point ball game, it's a seven point ball game. Calling him the story referring to it, that's nitpicking me because those things you gotta you gotta shure up. And obviously it's not. It's not something that it's like, okay,

we can we can fix that. Right now, that's like a glaring issue and it's been all season long. And hasn't just been the one game. It's a glaring issue. I mean, it's it's not like when I was playing and Flowzell led the league and false starts, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not that's not something we're you just like, hey, Flow, just just sitting on the front leg a little bit more and just just wait for the ball to be snapped. This is like you're

being out manned. And that's a that's a problem because when we start looking at the teams that we're going that we obviously have to face the remainder of the season. And then as we start looking at these playoff teams, as we start trying to make this playoff run, you start you look at the Rams who you're gonna play against. They got their butt kick last last night. But who's gonna line up over Connor Williams Aaron Donald? Right, you start looking at the type of guys that are gonna

be lined up over him. If you're a defensive if you're looking at a defensive end, right, I know it's Michael Parkson's here, you, Michael Parsons. I'm picking the worst tackle that you have and I'm putting them on them. I'm putting the worst tackle. I'm Michael Parson goal against the worst tackle they have because you have the advantage. It's gonna be the same thing as we face these teams that have really good interior D Lineman. I'm putting my best interior D linement. I don't care if youre

playing on the right side. I'm putting you on the left side today because Connor Williams is right there, Mike Yeah, and Mike McCarthy. I mean he references competition there and not that they're going to make a change, Like I think his preference would be to stick, like I said, stick with the same five, get that, keep that going. But look that Yeah, McGovern is a guy that he has said has earned the right to play on Sunday, even if it's as the s or you know, the

fullback or whatever. They're trying to kind of get him on the field, get his feet wet a little bit. You're right like that. I think they're more comfortable with him probably at right guard than left guard. Le Collins has taken reps at guard, Like I think it's something to watch with eight games left, but I think they they think he can get this corrected, but I think they they have spoken about the competition at that spot,

so we'll see. And wasn't it last year Jedrick Wells from I believe the rookie for the Cleveland Browns was the most penalized last season. And that's a team that spent a lot of time running the ball. So, you know, I think, however you look at it, you know, I don't want to. I've been a person that has piled

on Connor many a time. Right now, I just feel like, you know, he's having like you said, he's having the best of the best over the top of him, and they're trying to get match up and get pressure up the middle. If he's holding and he's getting beat u in a blowout win, that's where the nitpicking comes in. If we're getting the close competition. And obviously those like in the New England games where we were we didn't need that holding penalty, and I believe it was something

else that he got as well. I mean, those are things like that's bone headed players. You can't make those because you obviously cost your team. No, not at all. You can't cost your team like that. And maybe there that that does open the door for a little bit of competition. I think Connor mcgoverns in another competition right now. Top slot receiver in the him Cooper Cup, Tyree Hill,

Ceedee Lamb. He's definitely the biggest. And then Connor mccovering McGovern has got a score touchdown this sea one yard line. Come on, now, you and I need to make t shirts. We're gonna wear it every front. Yeah, because somebody got a bet going big man touchdown Fridge McGovern. What's the bet? What's Yeah? You've made it with the people across the pond. I don't I think they've misunderstood me. It's always understanding that they hit me up on Twitter the other day.

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Welcome back into Talking Cowboys. We're taking your calls eight five, five, two, two, nine to seven. We'll get to those here in a second, But first, I think you guys needed a little motivation. What's that? Well, Mike McCarthy got after the team after they lost to Denver. And you know how last year, I mean really all the way throughout his Cowboys tenure, he's known for being very animated. Right. He of course had the watermelon smashing last week. Last year, we brought

out a sledgehammer and he smashed a watermelon. He had the Mojoe momojo throughout training camp, Mojoe moments, sticking with this team all the way. Time for a Mojoe moment. Yeah, But this week he pulled out something completely different. What's that? He pulled out a little bit of monkey butt, but monkey but not just one can, but two cans, and then a smaller one as well. I mean, yeah, a little to go. It's a it's a travel pack, that's

exactly what it is. He brought out the monkey butt and somehow Caden Gates found this, of course Caden, yeah, at a hardware store. He had in his cabinet he made that up. Basically, I explain it in a very radio friendly way. Yeah, radio friendly. Let me tell you from a man that's getting up every morning and putting in miles. You need this. A chafing is real, and you know you don't want to be a part of it. So help yourself with some monkey. But if there's not

a sponsor happening, happening, it's gotta happen. It's happen. Man, I'm telling you, this stuff works. Does it? It works? It's never had to get to that point yet. Yeah. Where did you know this exists? When when you get to that point? Tu us? This is you? You want to have that in between? Kay? And I'm gonna go ahead and ask for this whenever you're done with it. That one the other one, Yeah, yeah, you're right. A hardware store that I didn't I thought it was just

a different brand. Yeah, I thought it was just a different like flavor. Yeah. This one, yeah, give me this one. That's funny. All right, let's take your calls first. Let's go to Bob in Nashville. Bob, how's it going. You're on Talking Cowboys? Hey, good morning, fellas a great show. What Bob? Hey? Um, I got a I got a solution for the Connor Williams. How about put Connor McGovern in the backfield on passing situations and then he just

steps up and lends a hand to Connor Williams. This way he does get beat, he then has somebody there to you know, another offensive linement to back him up. Um. Then my last point real quick is I'm still concerned about our linebacker corps. Are defensive line, we get up the field a lot, and we really need good mind backers. And we got one of them. Laydon is playing okay, and we got Michael, but I'm still concerned about the depth of our linebackers. Just want to bring those up.

Thanks guys, than great call and two really good questions. We'll start with the offensive line question with Connor McGovern basically using him as an h back in that situation and then in a passing down using him to maybe step up into pass coverage and be that extra guy

for Dak Prescott to have some protection. Now, the one thing I would say before I get your opinion on this is the fact that you are going to take a skills player off the field, and one of the strengths of your offense is having the wide assortment of skills players that you're out there to challenge defense. So that's a that's a given a take. You're going to

have that. But is that a possibility to maybe use sixty six in an upback package since he's already been used as a fullback, maybe use him as an h back a little bit there. I like Bob's thinking, you know, he has his waterboy, you know, playbook out and I can imagine, you know, Connor lining up in the backfield and then they saying shift and then Connor just comes up and inserts right next to Tyler. To be honest, I can see, I see what you're putting them. I

pick up what you're putting down. Um to that point, I like also like respect, but Kyle had to say, you don't want to take eleven personnel out of it, And I think when you bring that into when you bring Connor as a sixth officive linement onto the field, you you have to make some adjustments in terms of personnel that you're allowed to facilitate on the field. So I like the idea of him rotating in there occasionally.

He's been getting his feet wet. I don't think that it's a coincidence that they've been utilizing him in on the game. In the games um at the running back position, at the slot position, they're getting him reps uh in the in the case in which he has to step in and take that, and he will be up on the speed of the game. So I don't don't think that this is just an illusion and just some fun

stuff that that Kellen Moore is doing. Uh, it's I think it's in the back of their mind that they might swap those two out at some point in time and he won't be a step behind um. But yeah, what was the second part? It was about the linebackers. Let's yea, yeah, we'll get to that next offensive line here. What do you think hekma, Yeah, I mean this is a game of studying tendencies and obviously if he comes in on that that I was just like, ah, here we go. I mean that's my answer in addition to

what you said about the skill position spot. But yeah, you know right now, Yeah, well, last game we had eight penalties for eighty yards. That's a lot. And we've been going through the couple a couple of weeks where we've been accumulating these penalties. We want to we obviously want to scale that back um. And for Connor, he knows that he needs he has to be bad. He has to be getting evaluated on this each and every day. Yeah,

I just think you can't. I wanted to see how many times he's lined up either as an eligible receiver or as a you know, in the backfield. It's only been I think it was the most, probably this game that he's checked in and made himself eligible, maybe five six snaps a game. Like they're not gonna do it. Dak Prescott throws at least thirty times a game, Like he's not going to be at back there that often. But it's a nice it's a nice wrinkle, and it's a it's a good thought, and I agree with Isaiah.

I mean, I think there they see that he's earned the right to be on the field. And if it's not this year, Connor Williams is a free agent next year, and Connor McGovern could very well be your left guard next year, depending on what happens. We'll see, but right now they're trying to, you know, get him on the field. A little bit a little foreshadowing there could happen, could happen.

What do you think about the linebacker corps. Yeah, I think I think you'll spot on with what he said about Layton m after, you know, evaluating the game again. You know, Michael did a really good job as well. Backside of the backfield. Um Ken O'Neill still waiting to see his impact really hadn't. The production is going down a little bit for him. But I think our linebacker group is fine. You know, it's it's one of it was one of those games where we had beat our

opponent into submission and they were paying from behind. They had to do a lot to just try and make this game respectable what State didn't. So you know, I've just I don't want to worry so much about what's going on at the line backup position. I think they played you know, Okay, I like our linebackers. I'm not comfortable. I think that's that's that's what Bob's referring to. I'm

not comfortable with our depth. I'm not if we have one, If we have one injury to that to our linebacker corp, we're gonna be, you know, in a little bit of world of a little bit trouble rotating in Francis Bernard and Luke Gifford, and I mean Cox, who was your depth ultimately, And I don't think we don't think any of us really know how effective either of those guys would be. Maybe those guys maybe they know more than us.

I hope they know more than us. Obviously with the personnel, maybe those you know, Gifford and Bernard can come out and they can ball. But in terms of what we know against number one units, we've never seen those guys versus one units before. So um, I would like to see another veteran guy. Um, they're just for depth purposes, just because injuries happened. Injuries happening, you can't prevent him, and that's a high contact position. Yeah, I mean Jalen Smith.

Say what you want about him, but he was a guy that has made a Pro Bowl and he's basically a backup linebacker for you in the past, and you can you can dissect the way he played and was he effective in all that? But they don't have much experience there, so I think it has changed. Like when this training camp started, I think this might have been their deepest position, yeah, other than wide receiver, and it's not anymore. So, Um yeah, yeah, you just hope you

don't have an injury. They don't seem concerned about it because they haven't gone out or signed somebody. They just brought up Francis Bernard off Ir. But I think it is something. It's a high impact position. You get one injury there, that would be a problem, I think too. Yeah, that Jabril Cox injury, Yeah, kid wasn't It wasn't a big time key player, but it was key for your death on the heels of the Jayleen Smith release. It was yeah killed. That was two and I was one

two punch right there. And even still they're not going to the Luke Gifford. I think Luke Gifford may have had two snaps are so in the game before. So even with that depth, they're not going into their bag with those guys. But obviously, if Layton goes down, if Keyan O'Neill goes down, um, Mica, of those guys, you know you're you're now back to square one. We're trying to get a playmaker in there. But I think the most we saw Luke Gifford was in the goal line

situation against him. That's where we saw Jabril Cox exactly, and that's exactly and Jabril Cox made the play against New York whereas whereas Luke Gifford did not make a play against him. For so I guess that that does say it. But outside of that, you're right, he hasn't really been on the field a whole lot, but if something were to happen, definitely would be there. Um. Okay, Scott in why Oming, you were on Talking Cowboys? What up,

Scott Scotty, Hey guys, Hey, good morning it Hey. Um, thinking back to the early eighties, I think it was Washington that normalized and behave back position. And also during the eighties, I watched Lawrence Taylor terrorized us quite a bit, and but the Giants used him, you know, they used him all over the field. And if there's anybody that could create a high back or a position, it's got

to be dan Quinn. Lauren Micah reminds me of LT a lot, and uh, you know, I just I really I'm kind of optimistic that they you never know, you know, what he might be able to come up with. So maybe we just need to be patient about that. But um, you know, I've been watching ever since I watched the tape of Mica and first out of Penn State. Man, I'm saying LT to myself, and so what do you think that's how praise. It's very high praise. Appreciate the call, Scott.

And the one thing I have to say about is he didn't directly compare him to LT. He said he reminds him of LT. So that's always going to be high praise anytime. That name is what pops in your head when you're watching a guy play, You're like, okay, all right, that guy's a dog. That's exactly what we're seeing with Michael Parsons. Instant dog. That's Hall of Fame fame. I want to go back to what he was saying about the Washington football team, the way they incorporated the

h back in the eighties. I think that like if you back in the eighties, they had these guys called the Hawks, and they would run a counter tray with those guys and they would kind of left right and it was hard to stop John Riggins on those counter trays. And so you don't see that we do it a little bit as well when we are pulling our guards, that we don't bring the tight end out outside as well. But That's just one of the things that it's like

there's nothing new under the sun in the NFL. And as much as things you think are new, they have been used before. You know, it's just recycling themselves over and over again. But that's a great observation on his side. Wealty's a little before my time, Like what how was

he used? That's different than the way they're using Micah here in terms of I, you know, thinking back then, I always remember Lawrence Taylor on the right side, you know, rushing, so I don't I didn't see him all over the place. And again he may be talking about a different time period than I remember, but he was just a terrorized your offenses man. He was a guy that you couldn't stop. You could put a tight end out there if you want to leave your tackle on an island with him.

It was only amount of time before he got his sacks and so everything was going away from LT. He wasn't one of those ends where you said, you know, oh he only does the pass. He can only come out the quarterback. He didn't play the run well, Na, that's a lot. He played everything well. He was never off the ball. I mean, he was as rush Yeah, that's okay. I mean, I don't know if that's what he's getting at. He tried to just make Michael into

that role. I want to say they did stand him up quite a bit though every once in a while, Lawrence. I want to say they stood him up. Now, not to the extent of Michael Parsons and putting him at the same all Banks, Pepper Johnson, those guys were your linebackers. He was he was your edge, yeah, guy Belichick, right, yes, for a little bit. So, um, what do you think

about the h back scenario there? If like using a couple different guys it kind of being versatile and using guys in different situations like Scott was asking there, I'm not sure, honestly not sure. He just kind of mentioned it about the Washington football team and stuff like that. But I think we're already doing that already. We're already using our tight ends as as h backs. These guys go in motion on one side of you see him come back and block the edge on the other side.

So I mean it's just come down and crack back block exactly. So I think I think Kella Moore uses that to his advantage every game and don't line up with a traditional fullback, but he finds a way to get a lead blocker. All right, let's take one more call before we take our next break. Mike from Newton, Iowa is on the line. Mike, welcome to Talking Cowboys. Oh. I don't hear anything, Mike. I don't even hear the becoming Newton. I don't hear the I don't hear the

buzz that we normally would have. Mike. All right, Chris, let's go ahead and go to a break. Then, since we don't have anything, Mike, Mike calls back, call us back if he's if he's on the line still or not on the one? Oh, now I hear the buzz, Mike. Are you there? Hey? Mike, Yeah, Hey, pretty good. My question, I'll make a quip because you guys going to go on to break. My question is that Isaac stand back

Donovan Wilson. I mean, if you guys recall last year he popped uh Cook, the Minnesota running back, and Mike question is on that are we going to see him pop somebody like if he comes into Kansas City game, because lately I haven't seen him pop anybody. I mean, I see him make tackles. He's not popping anybody is on the statue Pop Pops an official stat from Mike in Iowa. Thanks for the calls, Mike, welcome. Yeah, Hey,

that's what Donovan Wilson did last year. He's known as a heavy hitter, and I can only remember one time this year where he really clacked the pads and we thought it was going to be a penalty. So he's not in there and nearly as much either. Yeah, he got hurt when he came back. Malie Cooker was playing more.

Now he's not in there nearly as much. I think he's trying, I know when we're watching a game, you know in the studio, where he's flying around and he's trying to get in there, but there's other guys that are there already, so he's kind of just a cleanup man. So that's kind of a testament to our front seven and their ability to kind of, you know, get things under wraps before he shows up. Last year, he was

coming down having to make the tackles. This year, he's not having to do that as much when he's in the game, or I think our guys up front are really handling it. So that's that's really good. Yeah, I just jogged my memory about Jayron Curse because I think that's part of the thing is they've they've got more safety depth than they by far than they had last year,

and that's affecting his snaps. But I think also maybe Curse going back to the linebackers like that helps a little bit too, because he's he's a safety, but he's around the box a lot plays every snap. They probably look at him almost like as part as sort of

that linebacker corps. And even though he is a safety, just in terms of that big nickel and the versatility that he provides, even though you know in a bass situation, he's not a guy that you know it is gonna line up and and and stack up against the run like a normal linebacker. Wood all the time, I saw Donald Donald do some really good things in the Atlanta game. I mean, he came up as I can't remember which court it was, but came up to the line of

scrimmage and flew and knocked that hell out. He did pop somebody, yeah, I mean, and in the running game he was standing guys up. I mean, and that's old school. I mean, you don't find it since Rod Woodson. Guys like where your defensive backs were coming in and knocking the hell out of offensive lineman and Donald did that. I mean, just the physical attack style of dan Quinn's defense.

I think all of these guys have bought into and it's really good to see Donovan Wilson get into the fold now, um, after obviously not really seeing him in training camp. You know, I want to see it, of course. Yeah, it's my guy, gig him Ax, Yes, there you go. Uh. We were just talking about linebacker depth, but I have no issues with the safety depth right now, even even though I know not a lot of it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, where that would but yeah, I feel I feel pretty

good about it. But like we said, you could change in a heartbeat, just like it did at the linebacker spot. Okay, Orlando, we're gonna get to you after the break. When we come back. We'll go out to you in New Mexico and we'll hear Isaac Standback's rendition of the lur read when we return here on Talking Cowboys. Hi, I'm Clint Tillison with and I'm Jay Novachek, and we're both with Turf,

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in the back, also in the back erin Gonzalez. We want to send out a fantastic celebration for him, and round of applause from mister Aaron. He's just got a full time gig with the Dallas Stars, Dallas Stars, Dallas Stars. So we're sad to see him go, but we are super excited for what he's gonna do with the Stars. Great people over there at the American Airline Center, and they do great work. As always. Need to pick up

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All right, let's go to Orlando in New Mexico. Orlando, you're on talking cowboys from the Land of Enchantment. How's it going? Pretty good? Pretty good? I hear you guys every morning. Um, I mightually here at work right now. Well, we appreciate it. Call you guys. Yeah, And I'm a big fan you guys lifetime with cowboy fans. Let's go Cowboys, Let's go boys. Let's get it done now. My two questions were, is, um, I know that our offense needs to get on a role against Patrick Mahomes and the

and them, the Chiefs defense. My question was, um, how fast do we have to, um get on pace? You know, do we have to score like we did this last game to prove a point? You know what I mean to so it's not starting off slow like we usually do, because this is going to be a top opponent, you know what I mean? Um um. And my second part was, um, how are we gonna do without Tank and without Randy Gregory again, you know what I mean. I know we have Michael Parson. You know they move him around from

outside to inside to the middle. You know, basically he's like a monster all over the field, you know. Um. My question was, how are we gonna do against that Chief's offense with our defense. You know, I'm that's my question. You know how we're gonna basically our offense, so they need to start off fast. You know, Orlando, what what part of New Mexico are you in? Damning, New Mexico? Southern Southern New Mexico border. Okay, gotcha? Got you? I

was gonna say and thank you for the call. By the way, Orlando, appreciate you given a call, great questions. The way I was going to reference this was if he was in northern New Mexico. There are lots of mountains and ski valleys, the Taoski Valley, red River. This is gonna be like going straight down a slow This game is going to be high pace, no stopping. You better find a way to get it done because if not, you're gonna be tumbling all the way down. Yeah, I guess.

So remember good ski season out there? H I wish, I wish. I would you think I have time to go out there? Didn't you do a shoot mountain? Oh? I did you that? It's like the ultimate flex. He's got the mouth head of the bat. What the hell? But But that's the thing is is this is going to be so fast paced they're gonna be twists, they're gonna be turns, but you have to get a good start. If you're not foundation, you don't have a foundation based in this game, I feel like you're going to be

in trouble. Do you guys have anything to add on that? No, I mean, I absolutely agree, And I alluded to the amount of games that we have in twelve twelve days, and I feel like this Kansas City game, we need to dispose of them as quickly as possible because we have another game coming up on Thursday. Obviously, if it doesn't play out like that, that's fine. I mean, but you don't want to be in the dog fight, overtime, all of that as well. So I just you know,

I agree with him offensively. We would like to start fast, only because we're up against an opponent that can strike fast as well. So you know, we find ourselves and attract meet by the third quarter, that would not be advantageous, not at all. Yeah, this isn't a team that you

want to have attract meet with. I know we're not talking about them until TI, but these guys usually whenever there's two teams that are high powered offenses, like usually it's like a defensive game, isn't that usually goals each other out. Yeah, they cancel each other out. It's like both teams usually suck on offense, but hopefully they just suck on offense. But to your point, we do need

to get going fast against these guys. And the reason being, you don't want you don't want to play the Chiefs when they have all their available options. You want to negate them to just simply throwing the ball. And luckily Patrick Mahomes has not been throwing the ball well on the move this year. His decision making hasn't been great.

So if we can get him in a situation where they have to throw the ball and we know that we can just send you know, Parsons or whoever else you know, to ask some pressure, I think that he'll he'll give us some opportunities for our defense. Yeah, I mean the best situations for the defense this year has been when the Cowboys have had a league. I mean not that they can't play in a tight game or play from behind, but you know, if they fall down

fourteen nothing on the road, that's gonna be a problem. Offensively, you're not doing everything you want to do in defensive we pack can dictate to you what he wants to get accomplished, and they could be more balanced because they haven't. Their running game hasn't been as much of a featured part of their offense, and maybe he doesn't need to be, but you don't want that to happen on the road. That that environments is as tough as it gets. Man, this game just has me so excited. I think it's

gonna live up to the hype. I think it's gonna be a lot of fun. And he asked the second part of that question. We're running out of time here, so we're gonna have to get off before we answer it. But the good news is so we're gonna talk about it all show tomorrow. How is the Cowboys defense going to slow down the Kansas City offense? That was his question. We've got an entire show on it tomorrow, forty five minutes,

only forty five five minutes. It'll be fun. We're gonna have to figure out the way to come up here. They're not enough, but we're gonna have a lot of fun with that. Glad you've been with us. You're over the last forty five minutes of this one for Chris Beam, Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback, heck Ma Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long, We'll see you tomorrow on Talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club