Talkin' Cowboys: Giants On The Horizon

We're gonna get down to this game and break it down. But how's everyone doing today? Fantastic. We got football tonight and then not the best, it's the best and all. Like you said a couple of days till Cowboys Giants, you're gonna go out and watch it. No, watch on the couch, Mick. I'll be in the press box soon enough. All right. Yeah, are you telling us you're not you're not gonna make homemade pizza? Yeah? Absolutely, the couch. Yeah,

I'm not a traditional thing. Somebody asked me if do you go out and you know, go to the bars and watch it? I go, No, I watch it, sit back and order some Papa John's that's right. There, you go a great time, and put is an exception for me because I'm gonna be flipping back and forth between the game and DCC making the team be. Oh, okay, we have my teammates will actually be on the show tonight. Mickey Spagnola Brian brought us making their appearance on DCC

making the team. Mickey's a veteran at this, but this was new, this was media training. Yeah, and Brian and I were the professors. Wow, you know what I think is gonna be interesting? So we sat over here, Yeah, and the young lady sat over there. So we asked the very difficult questions that we always do. I'll tell you what was interesting. I think Mickey, just real quick, I don't want to go into this a whole lot,

but hey, you're famous, I need to hear more. No, did do you think they're gonna they're gonna what part do you think they're gonna use the one where we were talking with Kelly and them afterwards or the actual interview, because we were pretty well, I'm gonna we tend to be pretty critical. I'm gonna think they used the parts with the ones that made the team. Sure, right, hopefully, because I mean it was all the rookies, Yes it was. They all had a couple of selected veterans. There are

a couple of selected veterans. Yeah, there be bloopers at all. Do we know that? No? Think and I were first takers. Did you wear makeup at all? No? Okay? All natural? The gals? Did they look like they're very pretty? All right? Well, hopefully check it out to me. Let's say that side of the table during the interview absolutely a lot better than that side of the table does. Or I'll bet it absolutely. I'll bet it did. And they didn't both

come with the same shirt side either, matching here. All right, guys. The Cowboys had their first practice for the New York Giants yesterday and on the Cowboys side of things, it was actually a knock on wood, pretty healthy day for them, you know, really, with the only limited guy being Jordan Lewis, and Garrett said today he expects him to do a little more, but I'm sorry fans don't get excited to see him this Sunday. Yeah right, Brian, Yeah, I think so, Tay.

And you know, if you the only unhealthy person, I guess this would be if you want to say Anthony Hitching of course from fringe, but yeah, it was nice to have Jordan Lewis back on the field yesterday. And you know, we don't get a chance to watch him

completely practice. My guess is that he was probably doing some stuff with a scout team, you know, and because he's just working back in and what we've learned about this team is they won't put these guys on the field if they're they have to be completely healthy, which we think he is and then be he's going to need more practices before he even thinks about playing at least a woozy A and Woods have practiced enough in training camp and played in the blue white practice that

we had the other night to give you that ability to say, Okay, were we think they're ready to go play in this football game. I mean, he's got to be a couple of weeks away, right, I'm gonna say he's closer to I'm gonna say this week, and then let's see where he's at next week. So one padded practice and he's ready to go. Well, I'm thinking that

the whole week. Yeah, they got about playing in pad. Yeah, but you know, if you think about him and his scout teamwork, and that's where I'm taking that angle right there with him. The scout teamwork he's getting. He's getting eight snaps a seven on seven, he's getting eight snaps of team period, he's getting eight snaps of blitz period, he's getting sixteen snaps of play action period. So you know he's easily I think he's practicing thirty forty plays.

So if you put that together with three four days of work, then you know we'll see. I think it's it's way encouraging. It helps to have been Wickery here, Nickery Year, that's right. Apologize for butchering his name. He's there, as Brian said, he's you know, he's a bridge for these next couple weeks at least. Yes, still Lewis gets back. A couple other good positive items there, tay Keith Smith

who was injured. They're starting fullback late in training camp, full participant, and I don't see Ryan Switzer on this injury report at all. So is that a sign he's good to go Sunday? You would think so. I think fans, you know, I saw a good tweet from somebody yesterday and we were talking about the breakout players from your

poll and they said Ryan Switzer is my guy. So wow, maybe we'll see it in the first game, but he's got fifteen more after that to show him something that's right, show him something in the return game, and maybe a few snaps on offense. But I think it was good to see, you know, Tyrone Crawford back in practice, and that's as it lists them as full. By the way, it's not like he was limited after missing a month.

And the other guy that they were kind of regulating was James Hannah and he was listed as full too, So that puts that tight end crew really together. But more importantly though, you talked about Crawford, Yeah, that's you know there there. Now. I don't know if Crawford is going to start, but if he's part of the rotation, you know, we've seen how they've played this. They've sweep seen with with Lawrence and then Benson Mayawat went while

Crawford was out. Might be the way they go and then you know, rotate Crawford in as need is the conditioning, I know we always talk about that, you know, the first game. You know, I think both sides are going to have to figure out this conditioning. You know, because you're not really at least these starters haven't played in extensive work in preseason games, but they have practice, so that's what you gotta. We spoke to him in the locker room a couple days ago. He said he wasn't

worried so much about conditioning. It was more rustiness getting his pad level low, getting his technique back, because he it's been like thirty days since he's practiced. So but I would think both would account for it because a lower body injury. There's no way he's been running like he normally does. Newly minted captain as well, that's right. This will be his first season as a Dallas Cowboys team captain. Not that that will make too much of

a difference before besides the coin toss. But I think it's still calls it right when he's on the road. When you're on the road, Jason, you're still the caller, right. So you got a few new captains, by the way, you never have me. Who's the other one, Well, it would be Orlando Scanner, that's the one. And Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott, where's your thirty two jersey? I could warn it today. I have to give that back. Oh that's

too bad. I need to ask this question to the guys that've been here the longest, because I don't know this to be true. Has there ever been a second year guy? Good job? Yeah as a captain? Come on, Mickey, go through that rolodex brain. You have no idea. I feel like Frederick was one. Maybe Frederick, but he last

year was his first year. I okay, it's about second year in the league, right, Yeah, I'm talking about you know, obviously no rookies, but a second year guy definitely makes a difference because he is the quarterback, so the leadership aspect there. But Wincy Carter, I'm trying to think of those days. Yeah, Romo was in his fourth fifth year, would have messed up the coin toss? No, but how about Aikman? Then he would think Aikman maybe ninety would

have been his second year. Somebody tweet that to us because that's an interesting way up. They don't really list that, dude. We'll look into that one. That's a great question. I just wander around the league. If that's the case, I know it's happened like someone like Jamis Winston exactly, Ben Roethlisberger. I mean after his I mean, yeah, you get to think of quarterbacks that that their first year amen had a good presence. Is Carson Wentz a captain this year? Yeah?

There you go. Maybe we've got somebody from Philadelphia listening to our show. We do. Apparently it's appointed weekly for the Eagles. Oh they change them. That's differing on the game or who's active. I don't think Peterson doing that. There a couple of teams like that. I wonder if so, does the captain's really do anything other than walk out for the coin toss? Why are you? Why are you? Why are you? Minim? I'm just asking, No, no, I'm asking.

Do I think if you they have captain's meetings or something? You know what I think? I think they're looked at in if you have a player's only meeting, you know when they if things go bad, right, or maybe things are going good. Maybe you know, as a young player, to me, a young player, I would lean on my captain if there's a guy that maybe I'm having an issue, maybe I don't quite understand why coach isn't playing me, or maybe I'm trying to figure out waynut. Why am

I on the practice squad? You know, maybe you go up to a captain and say, listen, you know you've got experience. What do I need to learn here? Well, I think Orlando Scandrick being named at captain goes into exactly your narrative. You've said that he's had this offseason as far as Hey, I realize my time is limited here in the NFL. I'm going to help out some of these guys. I'm going to be more of a leader than I have been in past years. And him

being elected that shows that you're right in your point. Yeah, I think that that to me, the captain is the guy that if a young player wants to pull a guy aside or ask a question without going to a coach. I think that's where the captain's kind of play in. Maybe a captain notices a young guy struggling, maybe see you guys sitting in his locker, and you walk over to him and say something such a point of pride. Also, who's the point man on offense? Who calls the plays?

Dak Right, calls him out at the line of scrimmage. Who's who's the point man on defense? Sean Lee? So it's important, it's natural. Yeah, But I think Dan Bailey's kind of the veteran guy that group. Do they get a sea on their chest? Yep, like hockey, hockey and and and it makes it's actually gold and so every star you have gets filled in. So Wittens is hey around his back? Was Odell Beckham junior captain last year?

Good question? Not sure, Kent? No, Apparently it's Eli Manning, Jonathan Cassius and a linebacker zachd Aussie that's the snapper of the Giants. Yeah. Three. Do they have captains in the NBA? I'm not sure. I don't think they do. Kareem's nickname was definitely the NHL. In the NHL, it's a lot more. They don't have it in Major League Baseball? Do they? I don't think so. I mean, I've never seen it. Quick like now, Odell Beckham junior not a captain,

but he did not practice yesterday. Cowboys fans on their hands patiently waiting, sure or what's gonna happen? Is they're gonna play? Status? I don't. I have my doubts. Is he gonna play if he doesn't practice today? I'm strong doubts they're gonna play. I'm gonna say no, am I the only ones gonna say yes, say yes. I think they will, ye, they will prop him up and send him out there. I could see that. But I think

Rob's a good point though. If Rob you know the fact that yesterday everybody was quick to show video of him, you know, running around in pre drills and stuff like that, and oh, he looks like he's moving well. And then you get to practice report and he's like a D and P. Right, So if he dnps today, he ain't playing. You get to Friday and it's, like you said, it's a kind of a clean up day here. It's a lighter practice anyway. So he's I have my doubts. I'm

my doubts there. I mean, you know what. To me, I just kind of feel like that he's an unusual cat, you know. And I'm not going to say he's not tough, but I you know, I think he's one of those guys that worries about himself more than he worries about the team. You think they do a little something something on Sunday and send him out there something something. What does that mean? No, just give him a little something

to get him out there to play. You're saying to take a shot and only do it once, so you do it the day of the game. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean if I don't know if he'll take a shot. If that's what you're saying, something something I think he realizes, you know. I was hearing some people that, oh, he'll just sit this game out, but this is week one division game sening. Oh no, you guys, I don't disagree that we ever get a degree on his sprained ankle. Well, it wasn't a wasn't

a high speed. He basically passed out with pain in the locker room, you know, and then he arose from pain, right, Lazarus. Yeah, yeah, But to me, if he yeah, if he does, Lazarus, if he doesn't, if he doesn't practice today, you know, we'll see. I would be worried about it. Are you thinking something long term? Here? Might be? Might be something they're worried about. You try to go out trying to win the war. You're trying to win the battle to

win the war. I don't like comparing Odell to dez Bryant, and a lot of fans do it, and it's very easy to do so because they both play with such passion they're key members of their team's offenses, but he does. In this instance, the way that he's handling his injury reminds me similar of how Dez has handled injuries in the past, like hey, don't count me out, you know, and then just sure you can be right because the player does not decide if they can play or not.

I want that. No, that's absolutely true. That's player never makes that decision. It really comes down to the medical staff. And so these players want to play. Sure it is a long season. He's their guy, and if it's a thing with an ankle where it could be a lingering deal, then maybe they feel like he needs another weak arrest. We'll find out. I thought about his knee when he first happened. Bad look real bad? Is Jack Rabbit? Play it Facebook us? Who Jack Rabbit is? Mackey? That was

kind of an interesting thing at Jen's press converts. That just ruined your morning. You were sitting next to the guy too. It was just so flippid. Tell everyone listening the story that you're talking about. Jason Garrett got asked by I guess he was from the New York Post, think the New York Post, and he wanted to find out if Jenorris Jenkins how Dez was gonna deal with Jenorris Jenkins covering him, and he goes, so, how's Dad's gonna do with Jack Rabbit? Who are you? And that's

basically what Jason said, Jack Rabbit. Now as if everyone knows that nickname, I'll tell you what I think the guy. It's a bit. I think the guy we want to bet you got. The post said, listen, you ask a Jack Rabbit question. I mean you got lunch for Norris Jenkins, great player. That's not a Megatron nickname where everybody kind of knows it, you know, that's kind of a Dave Hellman said that next week on the Converence Call, he'll ask Advanced Joseph if he's gonna how he's planning for

DJ duffel bag. Yeah. Let's see if Dave actually follows through with his word and does that, because I'm sure the advance Joseph will be like, no, yeah, we don't have musicians on the field. That might have been Jason's greatest answer ever. Well, he looked at him, I looked at when the question was asked. I looked at Garrett and he kind of like, kind of like gave it

that kind of that what are you asking there? I think it was Seriously, we'll see, Hey, we're talking about Odell Beckham Junior and his injury and where the degree is and somebody who scared the Giants early on in training camp with Sterling Shepherd the wide receivers in his second year, he was a contributor for them. Last year. He actually had his first touchdown in Week one against the Cowboys. How is Scandrick, newly minted captain Orlando Scandrick

going to play against Sterling Shepherd this weekend? Got that Mickey, Well, do they put him in the slaughter or they put O'Dell Beckham in this? That they put Shepherd? They put Shepherd in this normally. Normally that's where he does most Where did Beckham kill him last year? Wasn't it out us slot? It was out of the slot on the one play. Yet when he got he got lost or the Cowboys got lost. They drafted Shepherd to kind of

be there. Beasley a guy work in the middle of the field, slot type guy, more quicker than fast, you know, and in Orlando has done a nice job. He's the two games that he played last year against the Cowboys. He was only targeted four times in each game, which with the lowest numbers he's had. So that gives you a little bit of a little hope that you know, it's Scandrick. Scandrick's healthy. I think that's the most important thing. Yeah, exactly. And you know he'll have a chip on his shoulder,

There's no doubt. We always say that about him. He'll have a chip on his shoulder. He always wants to try and prove people wrong. You know, this is a year he's really gonna push now for to try and make a Pro Bowl. He's what ten seasons in ye. Yeah, so you know he's got it. He's he even said it. You know, he's got to figure out, you know, how

to do this, and I think he has. And so the health is there, you know, the opportunity to cover a guy like Shepherd, and especially if you know, if if Odell doesn't play, then it's to come down to Shepherd and it's gonna come down to Marshall plus the tight end Ingram. You know, those are the three you're gonna have to worry about if there's no Beckham in this game. So yeah, it'll be a good matchup yeah, and and and can Orlando keep him in check? That's

gonna be that's gonna be a key to this game. Well, who's their next wide receiver, their next wide receiver out of which side? Just whoever? Roger Lewis would start. Probably it would be Marshall, No, Marshall would play, and Shepherd and then Roger Lewis would yea, they have three, yeah exactly, so start three. Yeah, Tavarus King is also on their roster. Yeah, so yeah, it would be Roger Lewis would be the guy. He's number eighteen, So yeah, it's to me, it's it's

gonna be key. Yeah. If he doesn't play, you know, if you're a Cowboy fan, you should be grateful for that. You know, Dwayne Harris, they wouldn't put him in there starting wide receiver. I don't think so. Special teams man. Yeah, Hey, the Cowboys are very excited because Jason Witten did sign an extension in the offseason. He's entering his fifty season in the NFL. But you can't forget that. Eli Manning is also entering his fourteenth year in the NFL. Never

missed a game for the Giants. Amazing, How is he going to fare in this opening game fourteenth year. You know what. To me, we talk about their skill position guys, and they have great ones. They had a Brandon Marshall, Evan Ingraham, We've talked about him a little bit, the rookie tight end, But to me, it starts up front for them and can they protect him and can they run the football because one thing they didn't do in the offseason was really upgrade or change their offensive line.

They've got two young tackles, Eric Flowers and Bobby Hart, and when you read about them up north, I mean that's the talk is how can this offensive line protect Eli and how can they run the ball? They were twenty ninth in rushing last year, so can Paul Perkins put Eli in good situations down in distance? Yeah, they're one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to running for four yards to carry. That's kind

of your benchmark. They were darn near. I think they were twenty seventh or twenty six in the league when it came to running the ball for four plus yards, where the Cowboys were one of the best. You know, with Zeke and the way he's able to do it, it's a problem for the Giants. They don't have much balance there and it affects him on other downs too,

when they get in trouble on second down. They're one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to converting second downs to first downs, and then and then it subsequently it puts him in bad shape and third downs, which is another a little bit more of a problem for them. So yeah, they, like Rob says, they haven't done anything with their offensive line. You know, with Manning, it's not about the sacks we talked about. He was the third least sacked quarterback in the league

last year. Pressure that's where pressure. The pressure is the what it causes him the problem when you blitz him, rush him. He's a seventy five percent rated passer that way, so you got to find ways to get to him, force him to make throws. When you blitz him, he tends to have even more problems. So, you know, we have to keep an eye on how is the Cowboys rush going to be able to affect him if at all,

don't focus on the sacks, focus on the pressure. Hey, they would have finished thirtieth last year in rushing if it wasn't for their last possession against the Cowboys in the first game, if you remember when they basically almost ran out the clock and rushed for fifty yards right in the game. So they didn't run the ball well the whole game, right, and then it got to the point where you needed to stop them and they couldn't.

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read on that side of the table. Aaron I appreciate all those listening, and especially appreciate just Senya because she tweeted at us cleared up some confusion about the captain situation. She said, the NFL began to allow teams to actually announce team captains beginning in two thousand and seven. So there we go, there we go, all there, we'll just have to they just let whoever wanted to go out and call the toss I'll go out, go ahead, walk, I think you know a neat thing in real quick.

We move on from this captain talks. I know it's gettything. The Titans did an honorary captain of a man who's suffering from als. So yeah, very special there. They said. You know, obviously he's a huge inspiration for the team. So hats off to you Titans. But Brian, did you notice? But no further, you can say one more thing about it. You're going to did you notice that? A lot of times Romo would not walk out there for the coins,

and one day I asked him, I said, what's the deal? Yeah, he goes, you know, I got things on my mind. I don't want to walk out there and act like I'm old buddy buddy with these guys shaking hands. He goes, I don't want to talk to anybody. Let's play the game. You can't know and it's sketchers. But Brian, let's play the game. Sketchers ask sketchers. I like that. Here we go, just for the for the panel. Anybody can answer these questions. I won't make him individuals. We don't have to hit

a button. We don't have to First of Mickey, But you can answer the first one if you want behind the scene player that will make the biggest difference in this game. Behind the scene player, I think I have one. Go go for it if you you hit your button first. Yep, I did, And I'm gonna tell you a hint and it doesn't give it away. His last name is Smith, not Tyring, not Keith, not Jalen, but the brother Rob Smith. Wow,

there you go. I think he's a behind the scenes player that will have a few impact games this year, and I think The Giants Week one will be one of them. There's a lot on the Smith brothers. I don't know if you guys knew this, but they're the thirty fifth brother duo to be on an active roster. Very nice. So wow, hey Rod Smith, Rod Smith, I'll like it. Specialty going to be active. Yeah, I think you will. I think you. I think Rod Smith might even.

I think Rod Smith maybe if he's actively the kickoff returner, some kickoff return special teams, maybe even get some carries. Come on, Smith, Yeah, come on our Smith. You gotta go sitting. We'll get the actress on Friday. Yeah, that's the game. Who's your behind this behind the scenes guy. Does Anthony Brown count behind this? He's not a starter? Yeah, Anthony Brown? Why why? Well he will start well because they started. I just think that he has been the

forgotten guy in the secondary. Everybody's so fired up about all the young guys. Well, he's one of the young guys. I'm excited for Anthony Brown. I'll go James Hannah blocking for that run game. They didn't have him in both games last year, and I think their total run yardage was, like, you know, less than two hundred yards in two games. So he's an underrated part of that group. And he's on the injury report, but he's practicing fully, so need him.

He's probably super hungry to play right now too. I mean, Brian we saw him last year. It was every day he was out there doing rehab and just trying to get back there. Start Sunday. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the guy. I'm gonna go with the new guys. I'm gonna go with Brian Price. That the defensive tackle. I think with him and rotating with Stephen Paya, I think

we're going to see some things from him. So I would say that maybe a behind the scenes guy that not many people know about get an opportunity to show to shine opening day. Guys worry more about Odell Beckham in as if he plays. Worry more about Odell Beckham or Landing Collins. Saw both of them at the Pro Bowl last year, so they're both legit. I'm always worried about Beckham if he plays. I just he's a game breaker.

We've seen it most every time he plays the Cowboys, he makes a big play that leads to a touchdown or is a touchdown. But that's Collins is clearly one of the best defensive players in the league. Yeah. A funny story about Landing Collins when he was at the Pro Bowl. He's very nice to everyone and we're talking and I said, where were you picked in the draft? Again? He was picked below Byron Jones. Yeah, second round. He was second round. Yeah, second round. And so said, oh,

did you ever think about coming to the Cowboys? And he said, I would have loved to. But after that Byron Jones pick, I didn't think I was going that way. You're going you're going back. I'm Beckham. Okay, Yeah, If Odell Beckham Junior plays, that's gonna be besides Ezekiel Elliott. That's gonna be where all the cameras are. If he's gimped up a little bit and not exactly pick on him.

I think that I think that that maybe that you could find a way to cover him if he's if he's limping around and having to deal with that, Landing Collins can ruin your game. Why because he could cover, He could take your tight end out of the game. He could play in the slot. He's the eighth guy in the running game too. If the Giants get hat on hat if you play hat on hat it and you don't account for him, he will make every single

tackle within the four yard line box. You know who is always thought of Landing Collins as a nemesis, Dak Prescott. Back in the alabam Alabama days, Landing Collins had Dak's number. Yeah, he got him in interceptions a few times. Here's speaking of Dak. Press got Dak Prescott. Question. Dak Prescott average four point seven five four point seven five yards per attempt in his two games against the Giants last year. That was the worst that he had or any any

team any game. What does you think what do you think his yards per attempt will be? For this game, give me a number. I think it will rise, but I think the same matchups present themselves, So I'll say six. You've been talking about this the whole time, that the Cowboys struggled to get open on this. Well, yeah, and I know the first game, the narrative was, well, they kind of dumbed down the game plan because it was his first four right, basically had a lot of catches underneath.

But you watch that second game in particular, and there just wasn't a lot of open receivers. And so will it alarm you if I tell you that Dak passed for more yards than Eli Manning and both it combined in both games. I'm just saying, I'm at the crow' I know many get out. Man he was terrible, There's no doubt about that. And and the Cowboys in that opening game kept the ball for thirty six minutes. Six minutes they kicked field goals from the five and the seven.

Four point seven. Low. Woah, that was the lowest. That was the low that was His average for two games was high, farriss. I believe at eleven nine his highest. One says a lot about the quality of that defense. It really does what did you say a lot about a rookie quarterback starting his first game in the National Football I just pointed out that that was a factor. Yeah, that second game. Neither quarter or not, neither offense was any good that day. Fine, but it wasn't snowing either.

That don't blame the weather. Why did so? The Cowboys big tough defense held the Giants to two hundred and six. Yeah, I think right, Yeah, there were eight there were eight of fifteen. I think the Giants had fifteen possessions, and eight of them went eight or three three and out. Both teams finished with two hundred and sixty yards. One team went one for fifteen on third down. That was the Cowboys, and the Giants went two for fourteen. Throw a number at me, at for what back? Prescott yard

per tempt again the seven. He's gonna go over seven. Tell you got a number eight point two. There we go, Robert. It's impossible not to give the Giants credit, though their defense for what they did. Okay, and so the Cowboys defense was every bit as good. I'm not even talking about we're not talking about the Cowboys defense. We're talking about what the Giants did. Still had three hundred and

twenty eight total yards now scored six points. Yeah, with a rookie quarterback playing his first game and a rookie running back who had touched the ball every season maybe four times game. Well, what about what about the bird we're talking about the December game. Well, I'm talking about the first game. We've been talking. It's time for Mickey's minute. Thank you. Basically speaking of bad quarterback play. How many times will the defense intercept Eli Manning in this game? Wow?

Good question? Um, Well, in the second game, since we were talking, the second game in their division twice, right, more than two? I'll say they get a pick, get one or two? I got two two one from Jeffy one Orlando scan director. They'll both be Jeff Heathes. I'll tell you what I'm gonna go with two as well. I think you find a way to pressure him, may you know, get get some rush home on him, you know, to make him, make him have to cough the ball up.

He'll do that for you. Speaking to that, guys, Cowboys best passcu Cowboys best pressure will come from this player. Marcus Lawrence. I'll say, Benson Mayowa, No, Malee Collins, middle rush, middle rush, not edge rush middle rush. Yeah, Malik sayd you say you said Lawrence? I said Lawrence, Mallie Collins, what about you take? I think it's old Benson Mayo part is all right, gonna come out here with the rush and ready to go and say, hey, I've heard

you guys here. I am. I like what I like with the I like with the I like the uh the Collins one myself. I like them attack in the middle. I mean, he's been the best as much as bad as Flowers has played for them. The middle pressure is what gives him the most problems. So I'm gonna say that I have to put another hat on and bow out right now. All right, Audio, Stephen Jones just showed up for they don't brag about it weekly interviews. All right,

you go do your job. Well, we'll take care of Papa John's back as we As we continue on, let's go with the Gang of three. The New York Giants will struggle with this player. Defensively. New York Giants will struggle with this Oh, I got a good one. I think it's gonna be old Jeff Heath. I think Jeff Eath is coming in no Defensively, defensively Giants defense. The Giants defense will struggle with this cowboy's offensive player. I'm sorry, Oh yeah, my bad, poorly formed question there. The New

York Giants will struggle with this player defense. Okay, I actually I see what you're saying that they meant there, yea, what cowboy offensive player. I'll go Beasley. He was super productive in the two games. He's Dak's safety blanket. I think he will have some opportunities underneath work in the middle of the field. I think Jason Winton, you know, he only needs seventeen yards to surpass Michael Irving for

the team's all time receiving yards. It's I mean, yeah, he's been here fifteen years, but it's very very goat like surprised neither nobody went with and we know what the front seven is for the Giants. I'm surprised nobody went with Ezekiel Elliott. Well he right, just have him been preparing for him to be in this game? My mind is your mind. You're not thinking about him being in the game. I'm still wrapping my head around it. I won't see it until he comes out wearing the

crop top. Does the whole water spewing thing that Kent Get so beautifully makes a wonderful gift out of. It's just then I'll be like, oh, this is real. Yeah. And at the risk of sounding like Mickey he uh, you know, he was playing his first NFL game that first game when you have I think he averaged like two points six yards of carry. Yeah. I think he was feeling his way through this offensive scheme and he

ran better in the second game. I think the hatch on yeah, yeah, I think you'll have a better game this time around. The game that Ezek Elliott stood out to me so much last year was the Bears. You know, you had the hurdling and that was really I felt like, yeah, he did great. He did a good job in the San Francisco game, but that Bears game felt like a big come out game for him, and so to see that, I think maybe maybe Tay two and Rob. The tough

defense game was Pittsburgh. If you think about a team that you know, being having to be physical, having to finish, meaning he catches the screen the way he finished the runs and stuff, They're going to need him to finish in this game. They really are going to need him to finish in this game. Maybe with that type of pressure that the Giants can get, maybe that screen game is part of this deal. Well, yeah, that's something that they've kind of gone to. The Cowboys have gone to

more of a how you handle blitz. You handle blitz by getting the ball out quick, taking advantage of Beasley, taking advantage of of you know, of anybody like Williams, anybody, they can get the ball too quickly and let them have blockers in front and go. Well you said earlier, and we don't have to get into this too much. That Orlando Scandrick will be playing with the chip on his shoulder. Yeah, Zeke's gonna be playing with the chip. Yeah, that's that's why I was kind of question was especially

if he's thinking this might be his only game. Sorry, yeah, no, I no, absolutely, I was thinking that to me, that he's a guy that you know, he could have the bit between his teeth. Last year that they took two l's against the Giants, you can't afford you know, Luckily had never lost a game, but her to that, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, that's it's crazy to think that way, but yeah, absolutely, this I just feel like though that he is one of those guys that

they're going to ride in this football game. It's gonna because set it's because set things up, other things up in the passing game to hopefully help them. Maybe landing Collins doesn't hurt him. Maybe you know the Kramardi doesn't hurt you in the passing game. So yeah, and then I hope that McAdoo admits that it does matter. Oh sure, what running back it's playing. Absolutely no, we all know

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at five thirty going running right. Yeah, we're in the final segment of Talking Cowboys here in the SWBC Mortgage studio, and you know, before we get of the callers, you guys are there and we're going to get to you, but we have to get to the pole because I think it's going to cause some interesting conversation. Fortunately, Mickey is not here with us right now, but he doesn't have a riding. He doesn't have a riding. That's okay,

I'm perfectly fine with that. You mentioned Ben mcadoo's comment about, hey, if there's nowhere to run, it doesn't matter who the running back is, and I think his point was probably, Hey, the Giants have to prepare for anybody and just have a good sound run defense no matter who's in there. However, good pole idea. How many rushing yards do you expect the Cowboys to have Sunday versus the Giants? You got three options between fifty and one hundred one hundred to

one fifty or over one fifty. Now keep in mind I think it's like under two hundred for two games. Oh no, I know. Yeah, it's incredible what the Giants do defensively. They don't give you a they don't give you much space. I'm assuming that most people voted that middle. They did sixty four percent between one hundred and one to fifty. That's a nice safe guess. Yeah, you know, actually was Zeke in there. Yeah, I just think that the Cowboys are going to have to find a way

to win on first down. And winning on first down with the Cowboys offensively, is Ezekiel Elliott carrying the football? You know, we might see him get into a lot of what we call thirteen personnel, you know, with the three tight ends now that they're all back to You talked about that, Rob. I think you talked about James Hannah as being that under the radar type of guy that's coming back that it's going to be a difference maker.

I would not be one bit surprised if the Cowboys try and balance and balance the Giants out and say, okay, we'll play thirteen personnel and let Ezekiel get hat on hat We've talked about that. The success that they were able to have against the Giants in that game at the Meadowlands was the ball was going to the outside. They were able to get the guards in the centers outside, and they were able to block on space. They made

Apple the corner have to defend. They made j Norris Jenkins, who's not a bad run defend, made him have to defend. So yeah, I think that. To me, it's it's gonna be about them winning on first down. Dallas can't afford to get in situations where it's second and nine, second

and ten, second and eleven. Not that you're gonna have many negative plays with Zeke, but you can't be in a situation where Dak Prescott's having to make throws on second and nine, second and eight maybe even right there, especially if the receivers aren't finding ways to get open. There were a ton of those down and distance problems in the first game. Dak played right the opener last year, and a lot of a lot of like you said, second and eight, third and nine, third and ten, third

and eleven, that's tough for a young quarterback. Yeah, it is. It is. Well, let's get to the callers. We have Johnny in Salt Lake City on the line. Johnny, what's your question? Hey guys, I just wanted to ask you, how concerned are you guys about the secondary going into this game? Me personally? I mean, I know you said Norland Carroll is kind of like a Brandon Clark, but I never really liked the kid. I'll I remember was Dez Bryant beating this kid like a year and year

and year out. So other than that, the rookies not playing because they're injured, and then the Cowboys, even though it's a low investment having a goal, get a guy like Benet. So I just wanted to hear you guys take on that. Thanks, good questions. The guy that the guy that it wasn't Nolan Carroll, is it Bradley Fletcher? There was the one that does Brant always torched? Well, I think he might be referring I don't want to

speak in the last game. That mean, yeah, Terrence Williams, Well the last game, well he was talking about Dez Bryan. I think yeah he meant. I think he might have meant Terrence Williams because Terrence Williams touchdowns that he had the very last game. Yeah, yeah, Nolan Carroll gave up the one touchdown. I know that. But I know that Bradley Fletcher was a bad player for the Philadelphia Eagles, and I think people get Nolan Carroll and Bradley Fletcher.

It doesn't matter. It's still the same number, twenty two and twenty four. I think we're the two numbers. So yeah, absolutely, but yes, yeah, worry about the secondary. I think you worry about the secondary and if if it comes down to, okay, how are you going to defend Evan Ingram? This is where this is where I think this game. I think when you know, if it's Beckham and he's nicked, you know, keep an eye on that Shepherd. You feel like that

maybe with Scandrick he got an opportunity there. The third guy playing is gonna be Anthony Brown. You know you feel pretty good about Anthony Brown. Talk about him, No, he talks about but he's not. If it's Anthon, it's if it's against brand if it's against Marshall, then that's you know, that's your matchup. So now what about Byron Jones? What's obscene? How is that against Evan Ingram? But is it?

Is it? Do you keep him deep to help with the over the over the field downfield stuff, or do you play him near the line to prevent the crossing stuff. This is gonna come down to a woozy And now if you, yeah, if you don't feel comfortable about a woozier played in this game, then you should have some concerns. You should, absolutely because they're gonna find a way to have to play that. He's gonna have to match up, whether it's whether it's put Byron Jones down or maybe

they mix that up. Maybe they play Byron Jones down against Ingram, sometimes play him back, then put a Woozier in there, play some of their dime stuff. The chess game is going to be big in this one. But if you it's veteran guys, it's veteran guys. But you're gonna put rookie on rookie and see how it goes. Coach Marinelli, I just feel like I would ask him these questions. He would tell me one line, Oh, it's all figured out. Guys, got this, we got it, we

got it. You know what do you think you would say, Kent? What would Coach Marinelli? I guess you guys are talking to the coordinators today. Need to be more consistent, you know, get after it, stay solid, aggressive, you more consistent. What about playing a rookie coach? How do you feel about playing a rookie there? Oh, he'll get opportunity. Gotta get in there and get reps. Opportunity, and the opportunity is priceless, solid a chance to get better every day. Yeah, a

chance to get better. Dylan Smith, A lot of Twitter questions are coming in right now. What can people expect his role to really be? I know he'll primarily be sharing the starting role with Durant, but how will he fare? Yeah, I'm trying to think of of a snap count for and we kind of talked about that yesterday. I don't think he's going to be a sixty snap guy. Justin Durant's a guy that he's missed some time, but he's

a veteran. He says he'll be ready. I think with Jalen, maybe you see him play between twenty and thirty snaps in this game. That fair. I would think that maybe that you would me personally. I think they're getting him ready to play an extensive amount a lot. I do, Okay, I think they're getting him now. I always say this, think of him and Justin Durant as one player who is the one player though that's taken the most practice reps, who is the one player that's played in games. Yeah.

So to me, the options are, do you play a guy that the veteran guy who might not be in football condition Yeah? I mean he's in he's in conditioning as far as running and stuff like that, but the one thing that he hasn't done is practice extensively. I think they're I think that they're I think they're gonna cut Jalen Smith loose on this one. I really really do everyone getting cited. How do you think you'll do? Though? That's what I'm saying. I think the health tay is

going to be fine. I don't worry about the conditioning. We've talked about this a bunch, the mental side of it, and the mental I don't mean being a dumb guy. I mean play with your eyes. See. The one problem he has is overaggressiveness. Be calm with the way you attack the giants, and like he's like he's too hyped because he's in there, and yeah and overun he overruns plays. Yeah, and and so yeah, I don't feel like that the drops are going to be a problem or the lateral stuff.

I just I just don't want him to be overly hyped in there and all of a sudden think that he has to make every single tackle. You're playing next to Shawn Lee. Likely in the nickel Sean Lee will make every single tackle if you just do your job, be a good support player, find a way to to to whatever they need you to do. Be that guy. Don't go out and wear the red cape day one. You know he's already got the cape on. If you think about what he's been through. You know, I met this.

I was totally wrong about the guy. But don't go out and be a hero. Go out play your assignment player keys. Don't overrun plays. That's the biggest problem. If the Giants make plays in the running game, or make any type of really offensive play, it will be him overrunning and missing a tackle. It's a great point, like, I can't blame him for being overhyped for this game

if that's what happens. I mean, he's gonna have family there he's been I mean, this is a moment he thought I don't know if he thought it, but a lot of people thought he'd never have right. I am very excited at him. Now. We've talked a lot about the defense, but I feel like we'd be remiss if we do not mention what fans can look for in Taco Charlton. Yeah, this weekend, the first round draft pick defensive end will be playing his first regular season game.

How do you guys expect him to be out there? You know, where is he going to play? What is his role really going to be? I would see him working into that defensive end rotation. He's been on the right side, He's played some left side. Maybe he works in after Mayo. With Mayo was ready to go and he's healthy, Maybe he's he's part of that group that comes in. Maybe in nickel situations too. We've seen him there too. I would expect him to get plenty of

reps to in this game. Yeah, I don't disagree at all. I think the rotation it's gonna be about pressure in this game, and especially we keep saying this, if the Giants can't run the football with any consistency, now it's about turning around and trying to create pressure on the edge. Rob brought up the tackles for the Giants. They've had

their shares of struggles. When you talk about you know, with flowers and heart, those aren't just you know guys that you say, Okay, those are shut down offensive tackles. So you know, let's see if if if Tacco and Fat can win at the line of scrimmage. Let's see if he can have a quick arm overmove rip, move something. Play him in a game, play him in a twist stunt,

let him try and get home on some Russians. So maybe he could be that guy that you know, we didn't talk about him as the behind the scenes player, but maybe he could be a behind the scenes player. We've seen him played better, yea. We've seen him played better in the preseason games as he's gone through them. So hopefully he can carry that in. All right, we have a caller on the line, Tony from Florida. Hope you're safe, Hope your family safe? What's your question? Hi?

Thank you guys. Umm. I'm going to be traveling from Orlando this Saturday to attend the game for this weekend and I'm so excited. I think Zeke will be a big different for the game, and I think we'll win. But I just have one question. What's the chances that Zeke will continue playing for the whole year. I know it's up to the court, but I just want to take you play fantasy football? Do you play fantasy football? Tony? You play? You play fantasy football? Uh? No, you know, Okay,

I thought maybe this was a fantasy question. Tell me if you're playing, Yeah, tell me if you're playing just a Cowboys fan. Yeah, we'll safe travels to you and welcome to Texas when you get here. I hope everything's okay when you get back from you. Yeah. That's the million dollar question, isn't it. Yeah, I would love to know. I mean you want to you want to you want to put odds on an injunction on a win? Go ahead? No, I mean I'm asking you too. You have no clue.

I don't have a clue. Would you say it's at sixty percent or more that he gets in he gets an injunction? I mean if you go off precedent and Brady got one, then maybe you think, okay, yeah there's a chance. But it's every case is different, So I don't know. I don't have a feeling about this. Yeah, I've tried to. I know, we got in a huge

discussion about it yesterday. It's it's hard. We're beating our heads against the wall talking about it, you know, as I'm one of these guys that and even my own mom came out after listening to show yesterday and said, Brian, he has to clear his name, doesn't he, you know, And I'm not saying he doesn't have to clear his name. Distraction maybe a bad word, but I just want to I would just like to get I don't put it this way, and I'll stop after I say this. I

just don't see this getting better. You know, the more that the more that it goes through the courts, the more people are paid to dig and find out things. And you know, I think it's to a point where, yes, you know, we know what we know now, but if this thing goes on another six months, you know what else are you going to find out? What else you had to live? Yeah? And I think that, Yeah, And I know he's wrong. I know he wants to clear his name, and Mom, you're absolutely right all the time.

I totally agree with you about that, good man. But but I will say this, though, there comes a point in time where you have to say I just, you know, for the best. I just don't want them to continually dig I mean, the NFL is a huge, huge, huge business. Yesterday making mention that there were thirty four players suspended on that were released on Saturday. Sure, great point, But Ezeki Elliott league led the league in rushing last Yes, and there is a microscope on that guy. Yeah, there's

no doubt about it. And you know, and especially if this turns into a bit. It's already a big case. But the more that you have to prep to get ready for a further case down the line, then you know what else is going to come out, what else is going to harm? See, I'm not thinking about the team here, I'm thinking about Zeke. I'm thinking about what

else out there do we not know about. Well, yeah, but it's already the allegations are already bad, and he's in a situation where he clearly, like Jerry has said, there's no clear evidence here. I would be so mad if I was in that situation and clearly claim I'm innocent. I'm gonna fight it, Brian, like I sure. I just I don't care what else comes out, Like I don't want that attached to my name. Okay, you guys know who Willie Sneet is. Yeah, yeah, he had an appeal,

it got approved. It's down to three games. People didn't even talk about. That's Ezekiel Elliott the main topic, but was his was alcohol? Yeah. No, I'm not comparing this is said, so please don't tweet me and say different suspensions. All I'm comparing is that there is so much interest in Ezekiel Elliott. He is on the plane field or not, And so to say all these things about these other players being suspended and that snouts here and all this stuff,

it's unfair. I just worry about further carnage, is what I worry about. There is a question though about other suspended players, Jamie and Wilson and Nolan Carroll. Bobbie wants to know are they eligible to play Sunday. Yeah. I mean we haven't heard anything from the league, you know, and they weren't part of the thirty five or so names that Mickey mentioned yesterday on the waiver wire, so

from the other day. So yeah, until further notice, all those they'll be all available and and likely play agreed,

which concerns you more. Jamie wants to know the run game if Zeke goes ahead, or how the O line performs with a new left guard and right tackle stepping in, assuming this is past week one, because he says, you know Zeke playing ad well, it kind of goes hand in hand, you know, especially if you don't have Zeke in there and you don't have a guy that can get you a couple extra yards on a play that maybe shouldn't go as far as it doth in one play in the Yeah Lands. Yeah, I mean, I think

you've got a factor in both. I think they'll figure out this left guard situation at some point and roll with the guy, and you hope that both guys stay healthy and it's not a situation where Chads gets hurt again and they've got to put Cooper in. I'd be more concerned with the running game sustaining. If there's no Zeke in there for six weeks sustaining, I think that's fair. Yeah, Mickey, how do you feel about this online moving forward? Will they figure it out? I worry about it from the start.

I think that both guys, if they stay healthy, will improve. But are they ready September tenth? Are they ready east September seventeenth? You know, and maybe one of these things where you get better as you go along, but they count the early games. Yeah, I've had the concern about Chaz Green. I've said a bunch. I think he's one of the best five they've got. But you know, and every time they put him into it, plugged him into

a situation, he succeeded what I thought. You know, initially I was a little worried about this, but you know, at the guard spot, I don't think it's his best position, but hopefully that he'll overcome any short falls that he has. It'll be difficult in this game. It's two big, physical inside players for the Giants. You're gonna have to you know, you're gonna have to be tough in the middle of that pocket because it's not going to be easy running

the football for sure. I saw an interesting stat today and what we're talking about the offensive line. You said the start, And that's what scares me because the Dallas Cowboys are the only team this season who are facing straight four games against top ten defenses from the twenty sixteen season. Obviously, that's that's something to look at. And if you got an O line and you're worried about them, to start, how are you going to fill them week four?

And a lot of the strength of those defenses is their front, right you look at the Rams in Denver, Arizona, Arizona, and especially this Giants team. Yeah, yeah, you finding the research on that. When you said that, it gave me pause and I was trying to remember the first four teams. So I'll go ahead and tell you the Dallas Cowboys are the only team TOPEEN twenty seventeen with four straight games against top ten total defenses from last season, New

York Giants, Denver, Arizona in La Rams. Okay, so my thought was they're going to have to play four straight games against teams that had winning records last year, and that's not the case. Yeah, No, top ten total rams didn't quite A question with a lot of those teams is can they score points exactly? But but yeah, I mean defensively, they're gonna challenge Dak. They're gonna challenge Zeke if he's available for those games, no question. What do

you think they're saying there? If Zeke's there, they're probably thinking, they're probably praying that Zeke's not there. Yeah, most players will tell you. Harold Henderson most teams will tell you that. Those guys will say, oh no, I don't care. I want to play against competition. That's a lie. You look for the easiest path to win a football game, there's only sixteen of these. They're hard to win Von Miller and all of them would like to get past this

old line. They would rather play against. They would rather play it. Whoever your backup tackle is. Trust me. Yeah. I mean the players always say, oh, bring, it doesn't matter, but deep down inside trust me. I've been on the field with players before the game. Is player talking. Yeah, No. I've been on the field of NFL games where I've had players walk up to me and say, he didn't look like he's going today, DESI, I'm saying, it doesn't

look like any goes. Oh that's good, that'll help us. Hey, you're wearing a Super Bowl ring and I remember one time asking you about that and you said you have to be very lucky, lucky to get a Super Bowl ring. Sometimes luck, unfortunately, comes with other people's misfortune. Nobody remembers really who didn't play. They just you remember who won the game when it comes five years from now. Yeah, So win the game. Larry Allen Flew, Larry Allen Flew,

No one cares about that. Yeah, tomorrow, Mickey kind of hinted at it already. But we're going to get to game predictions. We're going to get to our guesses for the inactives and get ready to watch the Cowboys take on the Giants at AT and T Stadium Sunday Night football. Join us tomorrow for Talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.