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the SWB. It's the chip and then the dip. I got it, I got it. I understand. Are you a double dip guy? Yeah? If it's fine, okay, it's fair, it's good point. I mean, what you're considerative? What do you do if you're at like a you know, like gathering and somebody double dips and you don't know this person, oh side eye, side side, You're gonna like, you're not gonna be direct with it. I feel like heck, one would just be like, hey, hey, hey, I'm saying guy.
I am saying guy that forgets that you double the culpriate? Oh you're coupriate? Yeah? Man? Would you ever, just go up and just like if you're having a chip or whatever and just dip into someone else's stuff. Don't no kid, but community, but community. It's only a true savage would do something like that. Yeah. Yeah, and then you're like, oh man, yeah, I have a story for the break. Is a senior Bowl? No? No, well, heck when you're in a culpriate no, no, no, no, not a double situation.
Just depends, you know. I'm that guy. He's just rolling, he's enjoying some nice tostitos. Did mean any dip? It just happens. I've done that. I have been the guy that's gotten the now was admitting your problem? Yeah, the fact that he is self aware is a great thing. Secondly, did you do with this past weekend during the Super Bowl? No? I did not. There we go and we're all good. We're all good here by the way, if you couldn't tell no Rob Phillips. Today we've got Nick Eatman standing
in here from Dallas Cowboys. Dot your shirt keeping that? Yeah, I like the shirt looks great. Valentine's Day, Yeah, a little malin what my son, my son calls a Valentine's Day, And I just don't change it. Yeah, it's kind of cute. Happens. Okay, did he ask for something for vala Thursday? No? I mean he you know, he gets it. They get it at school. I think you know all the different candy, yeah, stuff, you just passed it around. I feel like schools getting soft.
You remember back in the day, like stay are scooped? We got our right? So school is getting solved because back in the day, somebody showed up and they gave you a card. You remember that either you're either wrote wrote their name down, I was wrote a little little love letter, or they had a little Valentine's once you can buy in the pack. Absolutely, and was off to somebody guess. But there was always somebody who didn't get one, right, Sure,
nowadays they don't allow that. No, everyone has everybody. If you bring it, you have to bring it for everybody. Is that so much bus Yeah? But but be a better person. Yeah. But there's ways around it, right, I mean you could say, like, I mean, what kind of stick er did they get? Did they get the one that said hug me? Or do they said like you're cool? Or okay so we could still be friends or let's go I mean whatever it is like, I'm not a dude. Yeah, it's not it's not a I love you. It's have fun.
Spend extra money now to protect feelings. That's why they that's why they sell the pack of thirty. Yeah, your class, that's that's It's all about participation trophies for everybody. Don't want anyone to be left out. Tom thombs, that is that the Yeah Albertson's yeah, Albertson, stop something another. Yeah, I just I can't imagine or I can't imagine, and I love this, this visual image of you just like coaching up people, tearing up Valentine's No, Like, no, he
doesn't need one. Keep going, he won't get to give him one. Yes, I picked my kids up from school, right, I got two girls and a boy. Okay, and I picked my kids up from school and a girl. As soon as they everybody gets in a car and I turn around and I give my daughters a rose. Right, everyone was there in a little baby girls. I've been giving them a rose every every every Valentine's Day. And my son looks at me, he's like, where what do I get? You don't get nothing? You talk about what
do you get? I'll share something with you getting nothing directly. Yeah, that's I mean, not a sence. I guess it's about right. That's awesome. The only person that's ever bought me Valentine's presence is my mom and my fiancee, Open Chase. My dad's never bought me anything, so that's fine. But as always, but guys, just what happens on talking Cowboys whenever you're four minutes into an hour long show? Yeah, pretty much. And then when you wear the Valentine's shirt Valentine's Yeah,
you know what, guys, we can't look over this. This was your first engaged Valentine's It was what's indeed? Week after as actually week after that still have to come up? Did you still have to come up with something for Valentine? Yea, yeah, I had had a gift and a bottle of wine and some roses and stuff. Yeah yeah, no it was Cabernet. We're cab people. Okay, yeah, we've got a favorite bottle, so I got the favorite bottle. Nick, you've been you've been married as long as I have. Just about you
come up? You come up bag on Valentine's Day yesterday, you get roses, chocolate, all this stuff, I don't do that. I love that idea. Come on, that sounds great. You had to come up with something, Nick, Can we do our stuff? You know? Yeah, get to get the flowers, you get the car. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Water, everybody's got it. No, I wasn't water. It was close though. It's only sponsored thing. I can think. They get to Nick's like, wait a minute, buy one, get one. Yeah.
Oh by the way, for Valentine's they were fifty three individuals that are not only going to get a bottle of wine, but they're gonna get a ring. That's the Los Angeles Rams that earned that Super Bowl title with the win over the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday. It's a close game. Actually, I thought LA was the far superior talented team, and we kind of talked about that a little bit last week. We forgot to give our predictions. But that's okay. But yeah, you had the Rams, yeah
all the way through it, through and through. Yeah, there's no question about it. But who do you guys think that the standout superstar was for that game. It depends on the time of the game, but I would say Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup. Yeah, I'm going to go Aaron Dono in the last yeah, ad in those last minutes, he sealed the deal. I don't like co m vps, but I think they should have done it. I mean, I think they both dominated their side of the ball like it was. I probably would have picked um Aaron
Donald though. I just the way that Cooper Cup took over and that drive it stats are better than that too, because he was getting held all over the place. And I'm sorry, like, do you think Trayvon Diggs or Anthony Brown you think they would have trouble with Cooper Cup? Yes, absolutely, yes, there are two best corners on the team. Yeah, yeah, I agree, no doubt so Number fifty five, I'm sorry. I mean you're holding, you're holding, You're not staying with
them in space, yep. And I mean look, linebackers get a bad rap anyway in those situations, and people automatically assume that that's supposed to be a flag. He did, you know, kind of there was a a little bit, right, but come on, man, he wasn't as egregious as they wanted to make it. And the way that the ball game had been called up into the point, it's like, come on, dog, it was tiki tack compared to the rest of the football game. Absolutely, I mean I could
have found a better one. But number fifty five played the hell of a game. If you're gonna no call, see Higgins, I'm laughing at Chris Collinsworth tried his best the whole game to not that he played for Cincinnati until that that call, and he was like, that's what they called. Like that's he was like, that's what got you fake about that? Cause al Michael said him up. He was like, that's that's that's what they called. There you go, he's kind he threw something across the room. Yeah. Yeah,
I didn't have a sound effect going on that. It's happened a couple of times in our booth every once in a while. But the big thing with it was it was a no call early in the game. Tee Higgins on the play with Jalen Ramsey where he almost ripped Ramsey's face mask off of his helmet, and then it's turned into a touchdown, and then you've got the no call or the actual call late on the past interference. So in my opinion, it kind of offset a little bit. And I don't agree with either one of the calls.
I thought it should have been reversed either way, but it ended up evening out. Both teams benefited. Both teams scored a touchdown. Cooper Cup, by the way, we're talking about his dominance on that final drive, the amount of her sets, the amount of times he got open. Everyone in the stadium knew who the ball was going to. It was going to number ten in the in the white.
It was going to him because he's a playmaker, and he gets open, and he finds his way into space, and in offensive coordinators and offensive play callings puts him in the space to be successful. I mean, I just figure. I mean, it just makes sense that you're leading, you know, your best receiver gets calls you know that are actually made for him to get open. He actually gets open. He scored two touchdowns on one drive. It's just kind of crazy. What do you think, Nick, Well, I think
I know what you're saying. They don't have a guy that Cooper Cup on the team. Um, they don't have that. They don't have that, they don't have a route runner like that. I don't think. I mean, I know, Mary Cooper is a really good route runner, but CD would probably be the closest one to that in terms of his escapability and elusiveness. Probably there's no doubt they got to get the guys. But there was a point in the super Bowl obviously win and Odell Beckham went down.
Everybody knew who it was going to be, Cooper Cup yea, and they still couldn't stop it. They still couldn't stop it. And I thought that was amazing. It didn't look man, Matthew Stafford, you gotta be I'm happy for him finally getting his opportunity to get a Super Bowl and the way that he played in that fifteen play drive. You know, that's what the Super Bowl is all about, Man, those signature moments and drives that guys get those wins that
live in infamy. You know, if it goes back to Alway and getting the first down whatever it is, you know, yeah, yeah, Centennial, Santonio Holmes and the toe touch, you know. And I think he had his moment. It's going to be a lot of argument arguing about yellow jackets and all of that with Stafford, but I just feel as though he had his moment in the sun. I'm glad he got it.
We're gonna talk about that yellow jacket a kind of argument in the second segment and kind of throw DeMarcus Ware in there as well, as he didn't get into the Hall of Fame. So be sure to stick around for that. But I do want to hear your takeaways as it involves the Dallas cow Boys. Where does it relate in the way that you saw the game on Sunday, the way that game was played in the Super Bowl?
What did you learn that you can bring back to your coverage of the Dallas Cowboys and say, Okay, this is how they get to that level, because right now it kind of feels like you're in a state of limbo, in between a window of opportunity and a window that is quickly closing. So Nick, I'll start with you on this one. What were your biggest takeaways from the game and how could the Cowboys try and match that. I think that you got to give a lot of credit
to the Rams coaching staff. I mean, it's one thing to go get those players the aggressive mindset. You know, the Cowboys went out two years ago and got not the same cowboy caliber they but they got you know, the Everson Griffins and in Dontari po and that they there's a few more I'm missing haha, Clinton, Dicks and all that, and it just for whatever reason, COVID or whatever,
they just couldn't gel them together. So I think getting those guys is one thing, but finding you know, the role for Odell Beckham, to make him happy, to make von Miller and those guys happy to all work together. I thought that that was masterful. So if the Cowboys or whoever want to take that approach, that's fine. Um, I wouldn't give out a bunch of first round picks, but you also got to have the coaching staff ready to go to put these guys in place to get
them ready. It's a great point. I love that point. I think that if they're I think the Rams showed the entire National Football League what it's worth, like, what's your what's your reason? Right, And everybody's gonna talk about all or they don't have a first round pick for the next four years, so a Lombardi, So you play the game to win the Lombardi and you figure out the rest of the lad right. Everybody always one talks about the future. I know, I know we've had this conversation.
But they secure their future, they secure the future. Their futures now states that they're to last people to win a dog on a super Bowl championship. That's what their future says. And I guess what everybody is now. They have all the draft equity that they that they need, They have a roster full of guys that have super Bowl rings on their hands, and now everybody's gonna want
what they want a piece of that. So those four first round picks that they're missing, they'll get their equity back when when they're in a position now to trade some of these guys away. Do you want to get rid of your guys? No, but do you have the equity in order to do to get what you need? Absolutely? And that's the position that you want to be in.
You want to control those cards. And I just hope that Dallas and especially Dallas is paying attention to say, if there are guys that you want that you know, we talked about this, there are guys that are out there that you know can be a freaking game changer for you right now that would push you over the edge,
pull the dog on trigger. Stop talking about the future, stop talking about the salary cap, stop talking about all the things that we talk about they kick the can all the dog on time, dog on freaking punt, Brian anger that thing right all the way down the field because you need to find a way to secure the bag. Everything else would take care of itself. You're gonna you're gonna reset it every year anyways, every single year. You're gonna sit back and you're gonna look at your roster
and say, we got some tough decisions to make. You're gonna do that every single year, So might as well do that with a dog on a ring on your hand. You know, I agree with both of you guys, and I think that the point that you make Nick about the coaching staff being able to use all those guys, it's really important. It's one thing to get them, but
it's another thing to use them. And you know, you've been Isaiah, You've you've stuck to your guns on the salary cap and to be damned, you know, get it now. And thankfully for the Rams, it worked. For a short little period there. They was almost looking like, oh, this wasn't gonna work. And the team that pretty much bandidd that their things together was about to win the Super Bowl and they should be kicking themselves right now. But for blowing it because they blew it in the second half.
If they blew it, and this is a team that obviously had an offensive line, and no way in hell they should have been in the super Bowl because they had nine sacks in their first playoff game and then the way that I think was the seven sacks in the Super Bowl. Like eight sacks in the Super Bowl. That's awful for a team to be at that level. Look, this is a copycat league, and everybody's gonna say conventional wisdom will tell you that that works, but it won't
work for everybody. And if we if the Cowboys go to that kind of mentality to say, look, we're gonna sell out to do this, then it's gonna be miserable as hell around here for years to come. And it may just be that way for the Rams. And it's it's funny to me how all of a sudden McVeigh is in the you know what, he may want to retire. I think McVeigh doesn't want to be the guy playing the violin on the Titanic because the future is looking bleak for them. So that's where all that talk comes from.
But look, you're right, they got a super Bowl. They're going to be the super Bowl champs all year, and everybody's gonna look at this and say this is the way that you can do it. I just don't. I don't know if that works for us with the pieces that we have. That's what It's an interesting point because that's really the way that a lot of people on the outside look at this is, Hey, they went out, they sold out, they went all in, and they won the super Bowl title. That's what you play the game for.
You play the game to lift a Lombardi Trophy, and they did that. Things are gonna get tough. This is not going to be an easy road back to that sort of mountaintop for LA because they're gonna go right back to the bottom in a couple of years. Right now, they're fine. They have enough talents scattered throughout their roster that's not going to be vacated or equitized because of the fact that they won a super Bowl title. They've
got guys returning. But kind of like what you said, that's interesting is now they have an opportunity and you said it like a true businessman to have a return on investment because you invested those first round picks in this talented roster, having guys like Odell Beckham junior Jalen Ramsey. You traded two first round picks for your dot Gon quarterback Matthew Stafford. You traded a couple of first round picks for now you got a chance to maybe go back and say, Okay, now we can either push the
reset button. Now, wait a year, see how we kind of patch the holes up again, and then push the reset button. But at some point they're probably going to have some sort of return on that. The Cowboys have never been in that mindset because that's a quicker cycle. And I said this on the Draft Show a little bit earlier. It's a quicker cycle of winning of that window. Your windows smaller, but it may be more volatile. You
may have that opportunity to get to the top. Whereas the Cowboys have had a almost it's like an eight or nine maybe a decade long winning opportunity because they don't lose a whole lot, but they've always got a team that's just good enough to give you hope. So which strategy would you rather have? Take the names and the brands, take the star off the wall, take the rams off the helmet, which one would you rather have?
Would you rather have the shorter, more volatile winning window where you have three or four years to get the job done or ten years and you just hope one of those years actually happens. I'm going Bazooka style. Now, I'm going Bazuka style because all you can control is the now. You could plan all day long. Planning is cool, it's awesome if you're planing works right, But which differ the Rams? Which you different a RAM? But the Rams played the now card? Yeah, they didn't played the later card.
They played the now card. The Rams went out and got von Miller. Why because they knew there was gonna be a point in the playoffs, hopefully the Super Bowl, where they knew that they're gonna have Aaron Donald and Von Miller at the field on the field at the same time, and the team was gonna have to play man and man against them, and there was no way that they're gonna stop these guys. Guess what happened. Raheem Morris did a hell of a job creating those mismatches
for those guys. Right the whole first half they were double team at Aaron Donald, triple team in Aaron Donald bouncing them around like a dog on pinball. Second half, Raheem Morris came out as a defensive coordiner and say, ah, I figured out if I shipped the line this way, now these guys von Miller has one on one with the tackle and Aaron Donald has one on one with the guard, they can't stop them. I knew that all right. I know that that's the personnel that I have that
is so dominant. This is why we went out and got von Miller. What else, Okay, let's go out there. Let's get Odell. Okay, Odell Beckham. We know if we have When they got O'Dell Beckham, they had all four of the receivers. They had Woods, they had a Cup, they had Odell, and they had Jefferson. That was their game plan, right. Unfortunately Woods went down with the injury, right, was gone before the Odell deal. I thought he went down, Say, yeah, yeah, happen.
It happened. Yeah, it was a quick it was a quick yeah. But I think their intention was to have all four of those guys, right, So it just worked out that O'Dell became their number three and said a number four. Whatever, however you want to look at it. But either way they had it where there's like Cooper Cup is super dominant, that's our guy. Well, we need a number two that can't be stopped as well, right,
So O'Dell's a guy. So there's gonna be a time in the playoffs, hopefully the Super Bow Bowl where they go out there and they're gonna try to double team our main guy and who's gonna have man to man coverage? Odell. We've had this conversation too many times. Dallas needs to find a way to secure the dog on bag because La doesn't give a damn about twenty years down the road. That's what Dallas has been doing forever. Dallas has always
been playing over in the future. You know, we're gonna be set up a long term for the future, and then a Jalen Smith doesn't work out, and then a done Terry Poe doesn't worry all these guys don't These guys don't work out. Right, If you go out there and get guys that are proven dominant players and you add them until what you have, you go out there and find another dog on Michael Parsons out there that's proven already. Right, we talked about you know, OK, you're
right early in the season. But if you go out there and make a crazy trade I can't speak names, but you know another dominant linebacker or something like that. You add that to part is now what do you have? Now? What do you have? Yeah, you're yeah, you might be cash strapped, but you're ready cash strapped off off of hope. You might as well be cash drap off a ring you're giving a look, I'm all over the map on
this one because because uh, you know, the Rams. Probably the Rams might be Okay, I think they're gonna be good if they if they keep drafting offensive player of the year in the fourth round. I mean, like, yeah, you don't have the first round pick, but like it is, Cooper Cup. If Cooper Cup went to another team right now, just another Jets, is he gonna be just as good? I don't probably be I think decent, But I think I think mcveigh's offense I think is it just it's
a perfect storm for what they're doing. And it's not just Stafford because he was doing it before Stafford. But but you know, it's kind of like the Cowboys got lucky with the fourth round quarterback. I mean, it doesn't always happen. So, yeah, if you're not gonna have a first pick, it's gonna be tough. But if you're gonna if you're gonna steal Super Bowl MVPs in the mid rounds, and that's the thing, you use a Cooper Cup and
the slot receiver. And he's a dominant guy the way that he is, and that makes Odell Beckham's job so much more easier. That he's been the number one guy, he's been used to being the guy that's getting those double teams. How much easier is it to be Aaron Donald when you have Von Miller sitting out and decide. When he was in the Super Bowl before, he wasn't as dominant because teams could just tee off on him that was all they had. So yeah, they having vun
make you makes you look a lot better. The Cowboys have are in a situation when you talk about the defensive line with Tank, with Randy Now, with Michael Parsons, you have all of your horses there. If you could get those guys signed and individually, I don't see a team in the NFC East it's gonna say, oh, we're just gonna pay attention to Tank. Oh, we're gonna pay attention to Randy Oh, then you're gonna let the rest
of these guys get off. So you want to do that, and the way the Cowboys doing and Will McClay has done it by building that through the draft. And I think the one thing that this team or any team wants to do is to build it through the draft, so that way you have longevity and you're not just flashing the pan. Do it one time and if you can, and you play for the Patriots. So therefore you see teams that stick to their mantra best player available, not
over paying guys. And it's a next man up mentality really simply because there is a structure already there through the coaching stay. I agree with that point. I think the longevity side of things, if you do it the right way, can set you up just as much as a short all in window. Just pure look at this year, if you're looking at on paper the talent from the Cowboys roster, is there that much of a drop off from the talent of either one of the rosters that
was in the Super Bowl. No, no, no no, no, not at all, not at all. Not this year. Next year might be a different story. Different might be a different story. Same thing for La La is not gonna be as good. Next year. There'll be good. They're gonna probably make the playoffs, but they're not going to be as good. It's it goes back to kind of what Nick saying, the right players and the right opportunities so much better, and the roster acquisition side of it for the Cowboys has been
pretty decent. They put themselves in a position that they were they were talented, they were healthy, and they had a home field advantage, and you still couldn't get the job done. That's why didn't like this All this talent didn't go and just dominate the field. I mean, they needed to make a play against the Bucks or they were about to lose the an embarrassing loss. Drop the past San Francisty nine ers to work out the the
same thing. So like I mean, the Cowboys, you could say they might have the same kind of talent, maybe even more more, but but they haven't proven that they can go make a play in that game and then the next week and then the next week to do that. They might make a play in one of the games, and then we would be talking about where the parade's going to be a stuff and then they'd lose. And you know what I mean, they got to be consistently able to stay at the top. Where does that start?
Though it's hard, it's I ask you that question and put you on the spot because that's the question that everybody is asking right now. Yeah, there's not a real answer. Yeah, this offense isn't as consistent as it needs to be. Like this is where it starts. And I said this yesterday on one of the our answers. You you gotta be great at something, and they're not great at anything, really they they don't. You gotta be great at something. And if it was turnovers that they didn't, they weren't
getting it. They didn't get it in the playoffs like they needed to. So if it's gonna be pass rushing turnovers that you, well, you can be great at that. So if that's if that's what it is. But it's got to be consistent, consistently great. Um, the offense, I mean gotta start fast. I mean you gotta you gotta mean, what are we doing on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday? I mean why does it take halftime to start preparing? And
you can do that. If you struggle against the Giants and Panthers and even the Patriots, you can fight your way back. You struggle against the Cardinals and the forty nine ers and Rams and the Rams, you're not going to come back. And they didn't. So I think that was the key. They didn't start fast in any game. They did it fightings. They were able to come back at halftime and figure it out. But most of the games the good teams, it's too late. That word that
you kept using, longevity, longevity, it's a good word. Dallas needs to get rid of that in their vocabulary just saying it because there isn't unfortune, no disrespect the McCarthy, But you're not Belichick. You're not Belichick. So you can't trust in your system because you don't have that system
necessarily in place. You don't have the long the long standing record in history of being able to put together a team with draft through the draft, right, you don't have I think McCarthy would agree with you though, that you need to get rid of the longevity because he's not necessarily long haevity. He doesn't have that. Yeah, he doesn't have that. He's but you know what I'm saying but like that, that that mindset, he's all, yeah, he's got to be he's the one that's he's he's probably
we need to get all these guys. It's not it's not because of his making. It's because of everything exactly. Come come on us in the mid rounds and it's like, well we can get this veteran exact center for this pick. And you got all the scouts that are like, no, no, we got this guy on the board. We love him. He's like, screw that three years yesterday. But I would love to see Dallas take that approach. I would love it. I would love it because you're in a cash trap
situation right now. But you're not gonna retain everybody but those two teams, obviously LA winning the Super Bowl. Of those two teams, which one has the greater upside, the greater upside? Yeah, out of those two? Do youn't speak to that, Bess, I can't speak today. Most people will
say Cincinnati. Most people will say Cinnati because these guys, because the old line was terrible, because Joe Burrows on an up and coming gerar chase all these guys, right, But you have to think about it, La, you're in LA right, Yes, your first round picks in your draft? Does it? It looks pretty? You know meek right now? But you have equity. Now, you have a roster full of guys that you can trade away. You could trade There are gonna be plenty of teams that want those players. Now.
I don't care how much experience those players have. They have a ring, so that's worth something in this league. So you could trade those guys away and you can get some of that draft equity back. So now you may not have the first round picks, but you got a bunch of seconds. Either team, you're gonna pick the Rams. I'm going with the Rams take the being Yeah, I think that's I'm going with the Rams. Bengals, you got you got a franchise quarterback that's established moving forward the line,
you're feeling really good. I'm going to the Rams. I think the I think the Bengals had had a great year, but I think the Bengals caught some teams slipping. So there's some other teams in that division that are damn good. I agree that that that that were that were that just that just slipped up this year. And the Buffalo is better than now nobody. I can't say they just they just prove that they're a better team this year in the conference. I'm talking about that conference. I'm talking
about Buffalo. I'm talking about the Patriots are about to be a freaking juggernaut here in the second can they spend a bunch of money last year, right, and they're gonna be prepared for that. I'm talking about the Titans, and they got caught slipping. They're hearing was hurt. Right, So there's some other teams and that that that Cincinnati may not be back in that position again. I hear you, guys, and I agree that they have some guys in young
talent that's up and coming. But I don't think that just those those pieces are going to be enough going forward to go up against those other dominant teams. I just don't. I disagree because their quarterback is cheap right now, the running back is cheap, the receiver is that they got money to go do that. That they had enough money to give Cheeto ten million dollars last year. I mean they good job. I mean they're gonna keep doing that. I mean that was the fact that he was their
best corner too. Yeah. Also amazing that position to but you so so I agree to that point. But however, if you're a player and you have an opportunity to go play in a city, because you have to go live in that city as well, pay taxes and and pay taxes in and that say, yeah, you're gonna pay taxes and here're gonna pay taxes in Ohio. Cool. But where are you gonna go on naturally? Is that true? Yeah?
You do. But yeah, you pay taxes on where you live and where you play every state that you play, and you pay taxes for that particularly you get those checks there. So, but most teams are gonna go to Most people are gonna go to LA since it's not hard to recruit to LA. That's the reason why. That's the reason why it was the coach for Oklahoma he left and went to LA. He went to the USC.
It's not hard to recruit him. Okay, but did you see the contract that I hear you, but I hear you could resources before anything else with you, but that contract, many players are gonna say, I want to go and play with Joe Burrow. I mean, there's gonna be, there's gonna be, there's gonna be a lot, Like a lot
of guys. I want to go play with him until guess what happens until until you got until Patrick Mahomes is like, Yo, yeah, not Burrows, dope, but you see what we got over here, until until to the buffalo calls. She was like, Hey, yeah, so uh you see what we're doing over here too. And the only reason I'm saying that is because you're talking about the esthetic of the location. Who's one of the that's one of the recruiting tools. Ok, that's one of the us. That's one
of the recruiting tools. Should we be looking for the Chargers to take us take a step forward? The Chargers knee help the Charges but they but they have a may they got a young Yeah, but there are four solid there's four solid teams in that division right now that that have really good quarterbacks. If I'm I want to go to Miami, then that's where I'm going. I like that idea. All right, you know where I want to go. I want to go to break So let's
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African American rodeos this weekend and fort Worth just say hey, hey, hey, African American rodeos in town? Oh good, Mesquite? Is it for Worth area? Gotta be in fort Worth. There's a rodeo. It's usually in Fort Worth. It's right there. I don't know, okay, so I gotta ask you guys now, I got you, okay halftime When I think about halftime, so I love it could have been a lot better. Though, I'm kind
of on that it could have been better. I know how because when he played I in my head Tupac hologram of Tupac was gonna come up, and that would have Boodo roof off the place. That would have set it off. I don't understand how you can have a West Coast themed halftime show with Dre and not half pot. There were tributes of two. I don't give a dog on.
They have the technology to put Poc out there, but then not his rap, not not his his verse and which I think I think that rap that second verse of that song is the greatest rap lyric of all times. That's a bolt. I think it's up there. I liked me some pot too. Yeah, I don't bail California. Hey, he had I thought it was the best ever. Was he was Dollar who hasn't gained weight? I mean, for real, the Nick, don't build him out, Nick. He had it. He knew he was gonna be in a half. He
was bulked up. He knew the time show. Sorry, I didn't think it was that bad. I thought it was. I thought it was good. I thought it was a great tribute where the Super Bowl was. Those guys are older, okay, but like like that's okay. I mean Lebron James Um, Jennifer Lopez, I mean like everybody that you saw me, everyone, that's the music that they listened to. I thought it was. It was awesome. I thought it was outstanding. I'm with you.
I mean, yeah, they could have had a baby. The biggest thing with no, no, no. He teased me because I told him. Why said they're gonna told my wife, I said, they're gonna play. Pocket is gonna be there, you know how the ground, I said, he's gonna do it. And as soon as he that last song, right that transition to that last song, when Drake got back on the on the keys and they brought the new stage up, I said, oh, coming up, comes, here it comes. I was.
I literally jumped off the couch. I said, I told you, I told you, and he remixed it back to him. I said, you skipped over pack. It was a tribute to Pocket, and then they went back into the song. It was fine. I'm saying, probably one of the greatest halftime for performances i've seen see I thought it was great. I don't know if it was all time great. There's a difference between Prince something. Prince is certainly Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, say Bruno mars and that was phenomenal. There's
different performance in nostalgia. I think this one had nostalgia. I don't think they had a performance. Yes, that's where I'm at that I am all on the nostalgia. Come on now, there's a difference three put on the show and just being hyped because the songs are amazing, Mary Jay Dougie in boots that we're not gonna put these guys on the same platform performance wise as a Bruno in Beyonce. No, you just can't. Is Michael Jackson as
a Michael Jackson jumping up the dog on stage. You're gonna just totally dismissed Elvis Presley and super Bowl four. I wasn't around he he probably didn't. But this debate earlier in my facility, we watched all the best Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson blew out the stage. They did a fake Michael Jackson on top of the stadium. Oh yeah, at the Rosewort something like that. Yeah, they had a fake in Michael Jackson out there, so everybody's attentioning up there
and the next you know, the real mic. Yeah, pop, he's still there for two minutes. For two minutes, he stood there and you're just they were just waiting on the dog superstars and some glasses off and the old girl came out there with the man. No, I'm not doing that. It's funny house. Travis Scott gets a law super Michael Jackson. People pot passed out all the time. What about Janet Jackson halftime? Okay, sorry, do that exactly. Let's go in the Hall of Fame. It was the
cold It's halftime, but you damn it. Credit. I'm glad if Nick is my direct boss here, so thanks guys. You know I'm West Coast guy. So I was, I was vibe and I was saying all of them nostalgia wise, awesome performers wise, it's not wasn't a performance. It wasn't it's not a performance. I'm I was even saying, like went upstairs then downstairs. I mean they just added stairs. It was amazing. It was amazing from that regard in terms of classics, just bangers, But I'm not gonna say
it's a performance. I would say even like JT not these these halftime shows weren't better halftime shows in terms of entertainment value, but in terms of performance value, I would say JT was up there. The weekend even last year was great from a performance standpoint. The last the lights now come on, and that was great. I mean, he spent five million dollars, like his own money to do a selfie, which is still phenomenal. I mean, but no, I mean so, I mean like like think about like
a Maxwell. Maxwell has bangers. Right, I'm gonna go see Bruno Mars before I see Maxwell, just because the performance side of it. Okay, yeah, okay, there you go. Let's talk about the Hall of Fame as the NFL class of twenty twenty two was rained down upon this past weekend, and there was one name that we thought was going to be a part of that class and ultimately was not, and that's the Marcus where Nick, I'll start with you just based on the fact that where didn't get in.
It's not a question of if, it's just when with DeMarcus Ware, but why not the first ballot for him? The Hall of Fame Committee is trying to change it up. They feel like there's too many first ballot guys. They want to make the little bit more special, the Peyton Mannings, maybe Tom Brady, Drew Brees that they feel like first ballots of getting watered down. So it was very clear that they weren't going to give it to Demware or
Andre Johnson or even Devin Hester or whatever. And they wanted to use this year to bring in some older guys and they congratulations, they did the It's probably the weakest Hall of Fame class in the history of Hall of Famers. Yeah, do you want to run through it? Tony, I don't even know who they are, Tony Baselli, Leroy Butler, Sam Mills, Richard Seymour, Bryant Young, Cliff branch Art, McNally, Dick vermil Good. Good play years. Yeah, yeah, good guys.
So there you go. That's I just don't look at those guys to be like, yeah, the best Hall of Fame. That's my opinion. Sorry, what do y'all think? I agree? I agree? I mean there wasn't no star studded names. Le mean, Seymour stakes six out because he was a freaking dominant just that's probably the one name that I Richard Seymour should have been a long time ago bad. I agree. I think maybe I just didn't see him play it as much as and he didn't. He didn't
stand out to me. Um, why is Darren Woodson not in the in And I'm just and I'm just the best thing that happened Leroy Butler getting in, it's the best thing. Rob. Rob would have told this story if he was here. Um, he might have already said it when he interviewed Sharene Williams, who's one of the Hall
of Fame voters. Sure, Um, she said that they've got liberal Butler's got to get in, Um, because he was all decade team and um, Woodson was not, and so he's got to get in first, and then it'll little trickle down for there, like like this was the best thing that happened for Darren Woodson. Yeah, which I you know, I don't know. I thought when that water got in,
that would be the next move for Darren Woodson. So I mean, look, that was the first domino and Butler's the second one, now the third one Woodson either way, I mean I just swnching John Lynch. Yeah, I think so. And he's been up there a while. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't know. And so, um, d Ware getting the whole first ballot thing, and that's a that's an argument that people go back and forth with about pinions opinions
of d Ware's game. And I didn't think first ballot to me is you're you're you were that dude that like trans changed the game. Um, and like you said, it's with it becoming a little bit more water down with guys getting in that you would say, oh, there, they were all right, they were good during the time. Um, look is he is the Marcus Ware Hall of Famer?
Hell yeah, first ballot? I mean, well, based off of that, then then I mean you think he's not the best pass rusher of all time, and Andre Johnson certainly isn't. But that being said, Devin Hester should have gone in. Then. Yeah. He was the best kick returner. He changed the position. Man, he scared the crap out of everybody when you tried
to you know, you just didn't kick it. Yeah. Yeah, if you're the best at your position, the greatest, your Tony Dungee to I thought was awesome, y'all sere it liked before the game they were not gonna kick all week. And then the team chaplain came up before the like the night before and was just like, you can't be afraid of anything, the moment and all that, and he went to the team He's like, you know what, forget that, we're kicking it. We're kicking it right to him. We're
gonna go down, We're gonna tackle him. And they lost the toss, kicked it off to the house, right. Yeah. Yeah, he was like, Okay, don't do that again. Great book, by the way, but that's one of the first stories that he told seven. You were you were there No. Seven at Chicago. I think it was like week three. Uh. Bruce Reid might have been the special team's coach, Bruce and he was he was. He was like, they kicked it, we're gonna kick it away. Well, I went like hit
a cheerleader of the kickoffs. So they got it at the forty he tried to get it. I remember Keith Davis actually came over and said kick it down the middle. We'll tackle him, and I believe they forced a fumble. I mean, yeah, but but not many people did that. Yeah, yea did some dogs he was awesome. I said, we had some dogs. One of the things about the Hall of Fame, though, is can you tell the story of the NFL with that, like with or without these pete players?
And I can't do that without Devin Hester? Why because because how how big is the story? It's a story. You know you've seen one, right, I just think it's always can you tell the story? Like how much time do I have? You know? Is it like, oh, pudge half a finger came in and really probably came in there, and then they they kicked it off, and then there was a banning and his brother and then I'll, you know, stick him on the helmet and games over order. I get.
Do I get a long story? That? I mean? Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you get a long one? No? No, he was. He was, So was DeMarcus Ware and so was Matthew Stafford this past year. So there's been Hall of Fame talk about him because of the statistics. Oh, let me get there. I promise there's a there's a reason behind this. Because of the statistics, he's top five in terms of passing yards per game. He's top dozen in all time passing yards and completions and passing touchdowns
and so on and so forth. But he only has the one Pro Bowl and now he has a Super Bowl title. So there's been Hall of Fame talk thrown out there and it's been absolutely shot down by pretty much everybody to this point. So I want to give you guys the opportunity to do the same thing because I don't think it's a Hall of Fame worthy career at the moment. Doesn't mean that can change, could always change. But right now, is Matthew Stafford a Hall of Famer? No?
Not to me, he were to retire right this, No, he's not. He wasn't. He wasn't ever considered the best of his era. And at all they won a Super Bowl. And if he wins two Super Bowls, that changes the conversation a little bit. I don't think there's any quarterback that's won two that's not in. Yeah, I don't believe. But there's guys that have won one that aren't in, that aren't in there. And I just don't think he
was ever considered the best. But you don't think run it back and they do it again, maybe maybe we'll have to stop. Yeah, I can't see him being a Hall of Famer currently. Yeah. Man, the argument about Hall of Fame or not, it's really one that gives me the willies because I think, you know, all of these guys played for that glory, and you hear so many of them all talked about Chris Carter saying that I would trade this jacket in the heartbeat for a super
Bowl ring. And so I think for Matthew Stafford getting to the point where he's won a super Bowl ring and that being the crown like the cherry on top, would be to be a Hall of Famer. Let's not forget, man, all the years that he played with Megatron and those numbers that he put up. But I agree with you Nick when you say he was never considered to be that guy of his error. He came close, but not no one looked and said, no, matt is that guy.
And then even with those bad years in Detroit when there was no Megatron, he just suffered through through those years and tried to elevate the team and he couldn't. I've always thought of Masts Stafford, even this year. I think he had to shake off some of those bad habits that he had in Detroit. But this is hard for a guy to play on the team with an organization that was that bad for that long to you yourself not become trash. And it's just his arm elevated him.
And you saw some of the mistakes that he would make in the playoffs, and I thought that those are all buy products of those years that he had in Detroit. But I don't want to argue whether he's a Hall of Famer or not. I just feel as though he was a guy that raised raised his level of play at this moment, especially with someone going into the playoffs and everybody's saying, oh, he's never even won a playoff game, and well, he just marched his way all the way
through all of that won himself before. Yeah, you going on, he's got four. Now he's got a super Bowl to boot. So, like you said, if he does it again, I think then the question then they'll start saying, all right, well let's start considering. But right now all the nay sales and everybody's basis is basing it on statistics. Say now, why does everybody have so many question marks around Eli? There's no question or I think that's dumb. If you have a question though, too, I think it's dumb too.
But a lot of people feel that way. A lot of people is right here walking by the studio at the mont Well. I don't think he ever was the guy that carried the team to the to the Super Bowl. I mean, that wasn't what they were great at that they didn't. I mean, he's the quarterback of the team. They didn't. I mean, he wasn't. Like, that's not why they won. That's not why they beat the Patriots because of him, straight hand? Are you looking at me like that?
Like act like the defense didn't didn't mean that those seventeen pass rushers that they had. Yeah, I mean, there's gonna be has press of your team that are stronger than the others. But you still, dude, had to catch the ball is helmet. You still have the score pikes. I'm putting them in the Hall of Fame. I mean, he's he's think you're just being a devil's advocate. I'm saying that that's why. But he's, Yeah, he's gonna go when the Hall of Fame has got a lot of stats.
He did it for a long time for a guy that wasn't really a great athlete. No one ever sacked him. Uh, he was just the kid brother with a weird look on his face all the time. But but like he first to get in, he deserves to get in. But that's the reason why kid brother with a weird look on his face. That's see why that's gonna be on his busts and Eli Manning and that'll be it on the bottom. I love watching that show though. By the way, with when the Money Night broughtcast just for like four
years now, four years, good luny money. I'm surprised to see them Reupta. Somebody's gonna recreate because a Rod's on there. Luck with that, that's not the same. I mean, it's you know. And also you got to have like a sister station where you can do that, dude. Because of the billions of dollars that those TV rights are, ESPN's like, all right, we'll do them too, We'll take it from here. Yeah, watch him flip next year. Oh, Monday Night actual broadcast
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didn't give her a warning. That's on us jasmen doing a great job running the show in the back face though Nick Eatman filling in was that was a blue steal. I didn't watch that crappy show. Whoa Lander? Yeah? One and two? No, I didn't see the second one and second one wasn't great. I'm sure, Isaiah stand back. Nick Eatman, heck my Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us Talking Cowboys presented by toe Stidos. Which second one is great?
The Anchorman two's phenomenal. Sing two, Sing two was great, Rocky two was good. Rocky two was great. What's your favorite comedy just movie? Period man? Number one? I don't want to hear number one through three? Whatever one? Did you stop shooting it? Clack? I don't know. Off the top of my head, I really don't have Talladega Knights is pomenal, the best quotable movie. It's it's so funny, so funny. Other guys wedding crashers, Oh that is a
good one. That's my fiance's favorite. But but you're talking about one liner movies coming to America. It was a great one too. I mean there's a I am a huge coming to America fan. I can't stand behind it and say that it has more one liners than Tella Dagan Knights tell a Dago Knights has all that knife in yours. I don't like that movie, what tag Knights? I didn't, And you would think I would. Yeah, you like Nascar, Nascar, and I just now that wouldn't nothing.
Maybe you just take it too serious because of the Nascar connection. Maybe that might be the case. I'm telling. So my favorite movies Major Paint, isn't it? How do you rate that one? I'm probably top five of the worst ever. No, I don't know. Did you see that check? I say, his face? Did you see that? Oh? I say no, I don't know if I've ever seen it. You've never seen me. But I wish you at a video store, so I put it. You can go back to Blockbuster and watch Major Pain. I didn't work there,
but it's red boxing something. Major Pain is a coming in there. How about that? That's your homework? Name, that's your that's your homework, all right? Mate, I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I think i've seen it. What is your humors? Now? Then, what's your what's your what's your thing? I just told you like anything with Vince Vaughan like, that's probably gonna be my thing. That's a good one, all right. I like your sarcastic humor. Yeah, yeah,
I wanna come back, come come. I'm never gonna forget Isaiah's look on his face there really whatever I said that guy, major pain is great. Oh the breakup is but you just what you just quote? Did I do that? For real? That my history month? Have you guys ever seen Harlem Knights? No? Uh no, I watch it is it is a it's an African America watching city. You can't be of the African American culture if you've never seen Harlem Knights. What about Life that too? You thought
that was in there Friday. There's a couple of there's a couple of movies that just are just mandated that you have to watch, have to watch if you have a birth right. You take that back right now. I've never seen it. I'm sorry. We're gonna have a watch party talking cowboys. It's actually turned into talking Hollywood here over the last couple of minutes. But yeah, and in the staff newsletter break yeah, you quoted the breakup. Wow, really great job. I watch you watched way too many
of those things. It is Valentine's Weekend, Steel Vaughan and Rachel from Friends in it. I mean, that's that's just forget Jennifer and name. But watch Friends. Yeah, Friends is hilarious. You don't watch that. He also watched marsh as I got to Friends with Seinfeld. That's not the same, not even I'm just telling that's the closest. I basically what we did right here, it is thirty minutes of error, like nothing kind of what we've done. We're just talking
about Wow. Oh you know what I love about those shows though, Like even like would be Friends, the Office, whatever, Like those shows are not that old. I mean they're ten fifteen years ago. They couldn't make those shows. No sensitivity levels. Yeah you're like what Nope. I was watching it live in color with my kids last week cause they needed they just needed to get cultured a little bit. Yeah,
they're just too sensitive out here, too sensitive. Everybody gets on the side off from my wife a little bit. But I was like, they need this, they need it, they need this, and sound bombing fluid. Firstshaille, First you take away the Valentine's cards, and now you make them watch it. Yeah, don't work, right man, toumping up these Here's this a sensitive world we live in nowadays. Let's be honest. It was an NFL or sensitive. Yeah, everything
seems sensitive. Everything. Since he can't grab a receiver, everybody's going over the middle, Pro Bowl in hand checking basketball, it's a flag on the fine. Thanks Valentine's, they get your son. I got him. I got him a bag of sour patch kids. There you go. That was it. There you go, that's pretty solid Salentine's. Yeah, there you go. I hit him in a chest with it too. All Right, some NFL offseason dates that we need to kind of keep in mind moving forward. March eighth is the tag deadline.
So up until that point, of course, Cowboys will have a decision to make on who they would tag. Anybody off the top that you would potentially put in that category. I'm tagging anybody this year? I don't think so either. I don't. The only one that would be close would be Randy. But that's a lot of money for Randy, So I'm thinking probably not right. So tag deadline there. Negotiations can begin on March fourteenth at noon. What's up, Anger? I was just about to say that. Utter, Yeah, that's
about the only one. I was just about to say, Anger, But I I got scolded last time I brought his name up here. Who's who's the sculp in here? It was it was the top three people to bring back. I mean, I don't think I actually, I think I'm the one that I don't think you have to I don't think you have to franchise him, though. I think you give Bones a two year extension or something like that, he'll be there. He's been great, He's been great. What's the problem with the problem with I don't have a
problem with Bones at all. Give him a little a little tumm and cheek. It's just because I called you the scolder at all at anywhere. I think Anger sees that with him, you know, just he's done enough fakes fake punts that whoever the punter is here is going to be golden because they don't block. Everyone is scared about the fake punt. I mean, the former especially coach here, told me that he was like every time he played Fossil. You don't even worry about the gunners. You were you're
looking at the fake. Well they only do it one percent of the time. If that so, then the guy gets a free punt, it's up in the air. It's a five second hang time. No net. You're setting net records all the time. The punter here is very good because of the fact that Fossils put it out there as a reputation. It's amazing. It's a really good point. It's actually a super solid point. I've never even thought of it that way. So we could give rid of
anger and bringing somebody else. Yeah, let's get yeah, yeah, no, let's not pay to it. Then teammate to the size uh fair too, I mean you could, you could take that aspect of it. So back to the dates. March fourteenth, negotiations can begin two potential free agents or open free agents that are unrestricted. March sixteenth is the official league year starting over, and that's where free agency officially begins. Twenty seventh is where the league meetings take place in Florida.
April fourth, new head coaches can start their off season, but the off season begins for teams with returning head coaches on April eighteenth, and then draft visits begin two days after that. Back the draft visits. I've been here for three years now, this would this would be our I'm going into what will be my fourth season. I've never seen a draft visit take place in person because of COVID. So the fact that they're actually happening this year and then plan is moving forward like that, it's
a It's a good sign. What's the first day of free to see? March sixteenth? March sixteenth is the first day of official free agency. Of course you'll hear the reports all the way up until that point. The fan base is gonna get pissed off March sixteenth. Yep, that's what They're gonna go crazy. March eighteenth. We're winning the Super Bowl, for sure. I don't know about that. I'm
just maybe not this year. I mean, fans just gonna be mad because they're gonna they're gonna see the guys go out the door and they're gonna get Dorn's armstrong. I'd be happy about it. Yeah, if that. I'm just saying, like I don't know who it's gonna be, but like it's always like Dary and Thompson that just resigns like a one year deal and it's just that just pisses off. Everybody's super sarcastic on twelve. Yeah we got him big deal of the summer. Yeah, yeah, that's a big one.
That's how it is, That's how it works every single year. But we'll of course keep you updated throughout here on Talking Cowboys. But that does it for us today. Nick thinks so much for filling in, filling the hot seat of of Rob Phillips. And we'll have Rob back soon. Heck ma Harrison for Isaiah, stand back for Jasmine and the back things greatly. Today, I'm Cale Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you next week. That
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