The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking Cowboys, screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Bravis, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. And it is a terrific Tuesday here
at the Star in Frisco. Bye week for the Cowboys, but much to talk about as we get you started here after a big win over the Eagles on Sunday night, thirty seven to ten, and the Cowboys sitting pretty in first place in the NFC East. Would you say they're sitting pretty? They're making sitting pretty well, precariously, they're sitting pretty after winning well, this season would be very precarious if they had not won on Sunday. Well, they're up by one game. They're up by one game. But here
are you seeing what's happening in Philadelphia right now? They're just going down the tubes. Well, that locker room is fractured. Yeah, as we saw on Monday Night football, though this league is a week to week proposition could be riding high like those New York Jets. And then right back down to earth. Does that just like make you sick to your stomach? Could you sit through that whole thing? Mickey? Last night a thirty three to nothing, a New England win.
By the way, the Patriots now have other seven wins, three of them they've scored thirty three points in. That's got to be the first time in NFL history that a team has scored thirty three points in three games of a season. That aside, Mickey, what the gumbags did? They would beat Yeah, that's exactly I mean, scumbags. Gosh, it's kind of sad the US the definition, the proper definition, Mickey. It's kind of the same schedule the Cowboys are playing, I know, except for one game that they lost that
they beat that I can't even say it. He threw four interceptions. Sam Darnold finished with a three point six quarterback rating. How did you get to three point six? Maybe he also lost a fumble too. Maybe it was the eleven completions out of thirty one thirty two attempts that lost. Make you sick, Brian watching it makes sense? Sick. I think that what's going to happen in the way this season. We're all veterans in this They're probably gonna win a game they probably are not supposed to win.
You know, you lose a game you probably shouldn't have won. I agree, And yeah, right now, I've seen New England go out and lay a big egg before. I mean they haven't this season. Of course, they're seven to oh. I think that makes the thing that makes New England unique is how they're able to adapt to who they are and who you are every week, you know, like Super Bowl Left, you know, Sam Darnold talked about, well, the Cowboys are what they are. They play single high,
you kind of understand what they are. And then we start to hear about the stories of only seeing ghosts and things like that, you know, And I think that in the NFL you have to be able to adapt to who you are and then who the other team, who your opponent is. I don't think the Cowboys adapted to themselves very well in the Jets game, for all the injuries they had. You know, we've been talking about that, hey, need this guy to play well, need this guy to
play well, need this guy to play well. And you know, I feel like though that that that really was the downfall in this season. I mean, I was asked about this on Austin radio this morning, and it's like, what do you make of all these games? What have you learned from each game? And I felt like I learned maybe on the mail back too, the question was what did I learn or about this team? Or who is
this team? Who is this team? And I learned that they could play defense for sixty minutes against the Saints. I learned they could turn the ball over horribly against the Packers, you know. And I learned that if they're good players don't play well, they could lose against an inferior team, or they can go out and find a way to put everything completely together offensively, defensively, and special teams manage the game, manage the clock, and get an
impressive win against a division rival. So it's it's a I'd see what the Patriots have done for so many years and how they operate, and I'm surprised that more teams don't try to do that. And I'm not talking about the deflating of footballs or spying on an opponent or whatever edge you need. I'm surprised that more people haven't tried, you know, strategically, strategically strategically week to week,
planning week to week. They get up a second round pick for a slot wide receiver that you know, just here that you know, they feel like, man, they've got a roster that's set. You know, they've got they've got a great defense, they've got all this stuff, and you know, but it's they did too. They did to the to the New York Jets what the Cowboys should have done. But the Cowboys didn't have their players and they didn't play well enough. They're good players, did not play well
enough for them to win that game. So I understand it. I understand because, like I said, we're gonna be sitting here one day on the show and we'll be talking about a victory we didn't think they were going to get. That they're gonna get. And what Brian is alluding to there with the Patriots and the aftermath of their thirty three to nothing when last night they have worked a trade with the Atlanta Falcons, acquiring from homage Sano Sanoo. Yeah, they got a big slot receiver. Now they gave up
and they gave up a second round draft pick. Problems, right, So on the heels of that, they're not they're not satisfied. I went and looked at their roster. Yeah, and you know how many wide receivers they veteran White, I mean, these are guys who have NFL playing experience, not some college free agent coming in. Yeah. Since the start of training camp, how many wide receivers they have had on their roster it's thirteen. Yeah, and they've had eleven tight ends. Yeah.
I mean they're just they're just running through them. Just okay, no, Marius Thomas, No, you go play for the Jets. You know, all these guys they're just running through trying to come up with Antonio Brown then with all his headache, they said, hey, we'll pay you, we'll send We'll do what we have to do, you know. And I know, I mean to me, it's it's it's it's a model because of what you've seen consistently. But I think we focus on this team, you know, we focus on what they need to do.
And it's been so wild, wildly inconsistent this first half of the season that I think it's hard to say, you know, And I wrote down this thing. I wanted to ask you guys, Oh, give me something that I can hang my hat on for the second half of this season. Give me something, Give me you know, can you tell me something that, Okay, is wildly as inconsistent as they be, but give me something I can hang my hat on that. I know that the second half
I can, I can live with. Is there something out there that you guys have thought about that as you kind of look back at this team and the way the offensive line played in this last game, I think is what they're capable of week to week, and with the exception of probably the Saints game, when they've had all their pieces, all those guys up front, I still feel really good about what they can do controlling the
line of scrimmage. And Jerry said it on the radio this morning, that's probably the best game he's seen Lyle Collins play as a cowboy, and I expect him to just get better and better. They've they've talked about that, Jason Garrett talked about how he's just kind of grown
into that role is at tackle. So I still think and that's the identity of this team, and I just think it's still they're moving forward, although they're gonna face some good defenses going down the stretch, no question about that. What are you thinking making You know, it's a good question because because Brian's right, they've won games and they've lost games in different ways. So it's hard. But it's hard to look at it and draw trends to you know, why did they lose the game to the Jets Because
Sam Darnold scored twenty four points on him? Yeah, there were no turnovers. Yeah right, if you make a field goal, you scored twenty five points against them, which should have been enough, right, right, But they did a better job against the running that game, and they didn't do a good job. Well if so, No, you can't say it's the same every week. Well, it was, they lost in
different ways. That exactly beat you exactly, and he ended up with a three point six quarterback rate, and Aaron Jones beat you the week before the guy was seeing ghosts. That's that's the difference, is that they put it together. No, last week, Rodgers beat you, believe me. And keep in mind that the Jets last week were in the same boat with their offensive line in a worse boat. And
then what the Cowboys were the week before. Yeah, they didn't have their left tackle last night, their center went out halfway through the game, and they were playing they're playing with a rookie playing at right tackle, going up against the New England Patriots and that defense, and then what do they think the quarterback was was seeing ghosts? What was the difference? Though they blitzed them right, they
put pressure on them. It took advantage of the mismatch that they had exactly not to talk sits, but the other sorry, bro no, the other thing that we talked about Tom Brady, but there was a stat from what I watched last night they have eighteen picks this season. Yeah, I mean that's the most sense indible the ninety six packers that you were part of that organization. I mean, you know you see what happens with this team too.
If you can get some takeaways and you can't ask for four a game, probably, but it makes such a huge difference in deciding game. And I don't know how many of the Saints had in their Super Bowl season and O nine they had a bunch of inc Patriots are doing the same thing. And so Patriots have what they have on offense, and then they're they're going to do that on defense too, and and and again. They six of their seven wins again or against teams that
have combined for about seven wins all year. Catch circle back with you, Mickey on the So the the Jets game, I tried to pin it more on guys, they're good players, not stepping up the guys, the receivers and you know, and then the receivers and the quarterback. But he had two of them missing. Yeah, No, but I meant I meant,
I meant gallup. I meant gallup. Okay, gallup? Yeah, and so but then is this but but just listening to you talk, did they did they get did they not game plan defensively the right way to fill this guy? All I know is they had a quarterback in his second year that hadn't played in a month, right, And and and when you look at it, you got to put pressure on them. You've got to go after them.
And they didn't do that right, basically rushed with four guys the majority of the game, and they weren't getting there, right, And they allowed him to complete twenty three of thirty two passes for three hundred and thirty eight yards. Right, he had a quarterback rating of one thirteen point eight. Right, he was three point six. All right, So with with Mickey's Mickey's thought. Then they've lost games all different ways.
Now they've lost it with They've lost it with their inability to score touchdown against or kick a field goal against the Saints. Yeah, they attack the field goal against the Jets two when it came down to well, right, but if you think about okay, I wasn't gonna pin the loss, the Jet loss on the coaches. But I think Mickey makes a fair point. If you don't go, if you don't go after saying, if you don't go after him and cause problems, then you get what you deserve.
They really didn't blitz in that game. No, So if Mickey's Mickey, if if you if you're buying into Mickey's thought, which is not wrong. You know, I was thinking, okay, they had some guys that didn't play well enough, those backup guys that we kind of thought, Okay, they need these guys to play better. They need it. Maybe, you know, Cam Fleming needed to play better, and Mickey has been kind of talking about the whole thing with Cam Fleming
is not good enough. He's not good enough, you know, so maybe maybe me thinking well, cam Fleming's got to play better, Well, maybe he's not capable of playing better. But these coaches got to feel like that, they've got to be capable of coming up with a game plan that can that can affect quarterbacks, that can affect a quarterback, a second year quarterback that's coming off being gone for three weeks. You know, So maybe there's maybe there's more
problems than that. Maybe there's more problems in you know, I'm not saying I mean, if Philadelphia win was great because I felt like they put everything together, everything together. But but the fact that I'm saying, I just I'm trying to find something that I can hang my hat on the second half, and I don't know what it is. There's not one thing that you can point to that
do you feel like, well's now I've got one, Mickey's not. Well, excuse me, but you've opened it up to me to think, well, can you can you hang your hat on these coaches? Can you hank? Can you can you rely on them to come up with a plan like they did against the Philadelphia Eagles every week? Is this something? Was that
something just a one time thing? I mean, you were somewhat hamstrung with your cornerbacks in the Jets game, sure, but you know, offensively, despite their shortcomings, they had four hundred yards total offense. Yeah, and they and they could have scored twenty five points. That should have been enough and it wasn't. And when you see that guy play the way he did last night, oh my god. And you know what, and those half of those interceptions weren't
great defensive plays and he was just chucking it up. Yeah, he did chuck it up a few times. So you never did enough to make him chuck it up. Yeah, that's he was way too comfortable. You let him stand on the goal line and throw a fifty yard pass for ninety two yard touchdow. They acknowledge it. He got they hit him twice, I think. Yeah, it just wasn't saw like we think a pretty good quarterback in Carson Wentz get knocked around and they and they did bring
pressure and they, yeah didn't they. I mean they felt like the rusher a few times and the rush got there. Jalen Blitz some and they used him as an extra rusher at times too. Yeah. Yeah, they. I mean they affected the game with their pressure. Can we hang our hat on that? I think they're capable of it. Yeah, I guess it comes down to you trust your cornerbacks, because if you're gonna blitch, I trust them in single cover. I trust Jordan Lewis a lot more than I trust
Anthony Brown. I'm just gonna I don't you know. Maybe I'm not telling the world out there's something that they already don't know, but I I there's to me. Anthony Brown does not just get his job back. I think Jordan's earned more. I think Jordan's earned more snaps, absolutely,
I do. I think the way he plays, the toughness he brings out there, the way he competes, they need somebody with his attitude out there playing in that secondary Barn Jones a Woozier, fine, but put that make sure that that Nichol has got to be a competitive soob out there. You know, he's got to be a guy because they're gonna carry you all over the field. You know, you get a guy out there that's gonna eight plays, Give me that guy. I think the coaches agree with you.
You think so. I think you could see it in Jason yesterday in the press conference when he asked about Jordan Lewis, he always talks well about his players. No, no, no, no, no, you could see his eyes light up about him. Okay, okay, well I hope you're right. And then you and Jerry. Last week he was first guy mentioned that was before this pass game. Man. He was talking about Jordan Lewis, Chris, you know, Christmas Shard and I know Rishard likes the
taller corners. That's he said last week. The guy's a closer. There's not been one time he hasn't maximized his opportunities. So at some point does it become more consistent with the snaps? Yeah, how about clothes? How about how about you know, give me something, hang my hat on. Jordan Lewis. I know he's gonna go out there and compete, you know, and and they're gonna need it. You're gonna need it some of these games. I mean, you got you got
quarterbacks coming up. They're gonna throw it. That guy Minnesota's throwing it. Well, the guy in Detroit, he's over forty thousand yards for a career, he's gonna throw it. My guy I'm hanging my head on is Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, Rod was talking about the line. I think the line it's kind of tied into with Elliott. I mean and
I'll throw in Amari Cooper too when he's healthy. My goodness, you know, some the routes, the consistency, I mean, he's he's understanding, and so yeah, he take he takes that passing game to another level, you know, with his game breaker ability, you know. And and he's the main reason that decks. I don't know what his yards per attempt are right now, but two weeks over eight in that game the other day, and so he's around nine. He's around the tops in the league, up there with Patrick Mahomes.
But it's it's establishing that run in being committed to the run and with the with the way Zeke is running himself, how hard he's running. Are we two old school? Me? You bill two old school about having to run the football or the consort of having to have that, are we? I mean? And I get in an argument with the guys all the time about throwing the football. I do,
and I'm with you. I believe I would say it's when Dak Prescott stats or twenty one to twenty seven for two hundred and forty yards two hundred fifty yards that interception was that was him being a little reckless on the play. Which I don't think he would. I think he knew what he was doing. But I mean, but a we are we you know, everybody's out there saying, oh, well you can't, you know, you shouldn't, you should throw the ball at the time. I want to run the football.
I want to run the football. Well, I think it's balanced more than anything. Yeah, it's balanced, Absolutely, it's balanced. But why do people argue with you about that? I don't know. But you know what, because and I've gotten this too on Twitter and stuff, the stat guys will tell you, well, just run the play action, regardless of it. The run games, run working and all that stuff. I'm sorry from my own eyes watching football my whole life. When you've got a running game that's cooking, it makes
the rest of everything else worked better. It just it does. And he's also your best player. He's your best player. He's set like to Bill's point, he set the as much as the defensive guys set the tone. Yeah he did too, lower and his shoulder and knocking a guy to the ground on that first drive. I mean, he's he's still the engine for this thing. For me. Look, we left training camp thinking this was a very talented team. Sure, and they went three games with weird stuff happening. It's
still a very talented team. I don't think we were wrong on what we saw with our own eyes and so I I just think if they play clean football and don't have weird things happen in the middle of a game the way they did against Philadelphia, they're They're very good and they can play. I know this schedule is good, right, I know it's tough, but they're good.
They just got to play that way. You can't can't turn the ball over, you can't get BS calls and think, Okay, well we're good enough to make up for that stuff. They're not. Right. They're good enough to win if they play clean football. I think Jason spoke to that in the press. We've talked about how and Dak said last week, makeable plays. We got to make these plays. Stop getting our own way. Jason said he'll put plays up on the board to these guys and just say, look that's us,
that's us. We've done it before. Look these high level type plays. Go out and do it again and again and again again. All that stuff. You know, it's it's just being It's about being who you are. And sometimes teams force you to not be who you are too. I think you know, the Saints beat them up front. You have to give you, I mean, you have to give other teams credit. It's not constantly Oh it's just
about us why we lost the game. Yeah, but I think they Yeah, they're like Mickey said, they've been there's been chunks of yardage and some of these losses where it's like, now, how many How did they only score that many points? You know? So, yeah, they've left stuff on the field, no doubt. Talking about offensive approach, how
did the Saints beat the Cowboys? They didn't make any mistakes and they were really good upfront defensively, Like Rob said, I felt like they Yeah, they running the ball, They matched the Cowboys running ball. I mean, they protected their quarterback. He didn't make any huge errors. Even he tried to give you the game at the end though with that
sack he took, but that it was the very end. Yeah, I have straight games playing that way basically, Yeah, Carolina, basically the same thing too, These teams that are finding a way to kind of protect their quarterback but allow them to grow a little bit along along the road. Yeah, it's pretty easy to win any game with any quarterback
if you only give up ten points. Yeah, that's why if you're looking at this thing right now, you can argue the Patriots, or you could argue the Saints is the best team in the league right now because of what they've done without a Hall of Fame quarterback and Kamara last week. I mean, that's the Cowboys lost the close game, to my opinion, the best team in the NFC right now. Right now. We'll see what happens and see what these how these teams progress, you know, and
the Cowboys, I don't think you're not buying Green Bay. Um, They're they're up there, and their defense has been good too. But I'm just so impressed with what the Saints have done without without Breeze. I mean, it's it's just you know, it's true, mat Whin, it's Seattle against the Cowboys to go to chicagoan win. Yeah, But I'm with Mickey too. I think the Cowboys still have another level they can get. I mean, we the other night was proof of what they can be if they if they put it together.
I mean, if you look at the rest of the schedule, and I know you said they'll win a game they shouldn't. Yeah, I only see one they shouldn't New England. Yeah, at New England, I mean should should they be good enough to go to Chicago and win beat Minnesota at home? Yeah, you might be a little bit me your team, I would be able to travel, if you know, if again, if it turns into an ugly, nasty game, well you never know. Problem is there's a string of all of
those games together. Oh no, yeah, it's well, you're about to play an SEC schedule, which to Detroit. Yeah, at New England. Then you got to play a short week on Thanksgiving, and then you got to go to Chicago that wouldn't play the Rams, and then you go at Philadelphi, right, And that was the stretch there that that was scary because you had to that's the only not got Minnesota prior to that all away home away, and then all
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a Monday night game. You got the date on the Giants game, like the fourth November, That would be the fourth, fourth and so forth. So that is Saturday, November ninth. Is that Tostito's Chimpionship Plaza, so to service? Which is to day before the day before the Sunday night game against Minnesota, which is the next home game we got to play, like get back at four thirty in the morning on Tuesday and play Sunday. Right yeah yeah, but
wait that's a night game. Give you a little time, which gets back to these games are going to come fast, and yes they are so is there. You have that fast and here you got there. You've got a Monday game at the Giants home against Minnesota, at Detroit at New England, Thanksgiving Buffalo, and then on Thursday after that. So you've got one, two, three, four, five, six games between November fourth and December fifth. Brian always says, we're
gonna wake up and it's gonna be Thanksgiving morning. That's where it works. If you're gonna end that on. It's five games in twenty five days. There you go leading up Thanksgiving five and twenty five, five and twenty five in a normal spread would be five and thirty five. I guess yeah, something like that, seven times five thirty five. There you go. Yeah, they're used to it. Yeah, I
mean it is what it is. Thanks every now. I guess see one of the different you've got three road games in there and then well in three out of four from Sunday November seventeenth to Thursday, December fifth, or on the road at Detroit at New England home, Buffalo at Chicago. How many days is that tough stretch? There? You're going to confuse me because you're we're dealing with the change in the muff there that's thirteen to plus five.
That's four games in eighteen days. Yeah, so there you go, all right, when you we're talking about what in fact right now we've already played college season. Sure, Okay, we're eleven games into this thing now basically a college season. And if this team is going to go where they want to go, yes, which is to Miami or Super Bowls started again, that's right, there's thirteen Well, there's twelve
or thirteen games left, probably thirteen. Okay, that's with your four and three start, it's probably thirteen games still then, so you got a whole college season to go. Who does the offense or the defense need to be see the most improvement coming forward in the next thirteen games? Which needs the most improvement? Yeah? Which? Which is? Which is the calling card? Defense? Which is going to if one is going to be over the other, that's gonna
get them. I just to me, they've got to play better defensively, I think, you know, And Mickey brought up about what happened with the Jets and the lack of pressure, and you saw pressure last week. Can they sustain the pressure? Can they continue to do things in the secondary, Can they continue to create turnovers. I think that was something you know that you wish you could say, Oh, I'd love to hang my hat on more turnovers every week, but I don't think you can do that. But I
think this defense. I am more nervous about this defense than I am the offense, especially what Rob said, the offensive line, you know, their health, hopefully things will work out there. But I think the quarterbacks play and fine, the running backs fine. You know, they've got so many weapons. They could put up points if they don't hurt themselves with turnovers and penalties. They're they're just fine there. It's defensively that I worry about people making plays on him.
And where has that changed from the beginning of the season for you? Well, again, I'm sign. I've seen him play sixty minutes with the Saints and hang in there, you know, deserve to win that game. And then I've seen other thing that happened. You know, they got run on against the Packers a little bit, uh you know, and then they let a quarterback coming off of a sickness beat him. You know, those are those are things
that bother you. You just there's you just don't see any real consistency there is it you know, we went from last week we were just like, ah, the run defense has got to get better. Oh, then we went from run defense too, well, the pass rush has to be better. Well, the pastors got a little bit better. But I just I don't know if the consistent. I think there's more consistency on offense than there is on defense. And that's what that's what makes me nervous about the
second half, he said. The season. I mean, if you look at it, two of the three losses, they gave up fifty eight points. Yeah, you know, you can you know, Okay, they scored twenty four against Green Bay. Sometimes twenty four has got to be enough to win, right right? Um, you know the Jets twenty two. They would have had twenty three, They could have had twenty six, But you gave up twenty four to the Jets. Yeah, I don't know why I can't get over that. You know what
you you asked me, did you watch the entire game? No? I gave up because I could see it was twenty six to nothing or whatever. It wasn't At one point it was like, Holly, well, hopefully they do like I said, they get a win. They're probably not supposed to get one of us again. Mickey said, he feels like they
could go through to New England. You know, who knows if you if you kind of got things humming along and offensive, I think I think to beat the Patriots, you're gonna have to be more in this captain obvious here, but I think you're gonna The teams that have given them problems in the past have just come into the game and been more physical than them. They have been more physical with their receivers. They've run the football on them. You know, they've affected Tom Brady and the way he's
thrown the football. So yeah, it's tough to win games up there, but you just have to be when you play them. They they they play a different style. They're going to adapt to you. Like I said, but you have to be a lot more physical than they are to win that game. And we've seen it when the Giants beat them in Super Bowls. It was what happened. The Giants front seven got after them. Brady had grass stains. He looked at the back of his uniform, he had
grass stains on it. When you affect him, you affect the way that they play. And so that's and that maybe that's the game that all of a sudden, you kind of put everything together for one weekend and it and it and it just all works out for you. And to your point about this defense, they were super physical the other night from from the jump, you know, the force turnovers. Early on, they got after the Eagles offensive line, who I think is a pretty good offensive line. Yeah,
a good offensive line. And you know, and it wasn't them just taking advantage of the left tackle either, No, they did. They took they took advantage of the right tackle. They did Lane Johnson had had a poor game, Layton Vanderesh getting in the backfield and make him plays for losses we talked about. I mean, that was very much like we saw this defense pretty consistently last year play and that again that kind of what Mickey said, like we've we've seen it. We know what they can be.
That's the level they can get to, and if they play at that level, they really can hang with anybody in this league. I truly believe that. But it's it's been about consistency so far this year on multiple sides of the I mean, don't you think this offense can score on anybody? I do. They're healthy. Yes, yeah, absolutely.
I mean you saw Tyrant Smith out there probably an eighty percent playing a game, and you know, and you know he Lyle Collins for you know, it's one of those that reminds me of that the Willis Read game, you know, the Jemmy. You know, here's a guy with a big, old, huge brace song going out there and playing. No, Willis Reid didn't finish the game, and that gets the Knicks that time. But but I mean you get an
idea he's out there playing hurt. He did. He's out there and you know sometimes these guys when they when they're hurt, they go out there and play at an even higher level. And I think that's to me where this team is capable of playing. And I hate saying that because I think you could see it every week. I think you could see them play the type of game. Now. Maybe me, the Philadelphia Eagles are trash, you know, But I mean I'm a value weighting Fletcher Cox as you
look the same. No, but you know what, Zach Martin and Connor Williams and Travis Frederick did a hell of a job a block in the inside. You know. Okay, well, how about Brandon Graham, I ain't. Brandon Graham's a pretty damn good player. Well, Lyle Collins just eliminated him completely from this game. You know. I feel like though that that tight ends are pretty good. You know, got a couple of good tight ends, and tight ends didn't kill him in this football game. They're capable of doing this.
But this defense, like I said, the word consistency keeps popping into my head because you see that and just when you want to say, oh man, they got this pass rush going again, band rush with a tackle for loss, Jalen Smith looks good. They're doing they're doing great. Then all of a sudden they go out there and they play a game like they did against the Jets, where they're giving up big plays and chunk plays and explosive plays and they're losing a football game. And then the
fans are howling. Yeah, they're always howling. Although the mail the mail bag has been a little less full. Sweet there's let's explain about Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's the way it works. Am I wrong? Though? I mean defense? Defense? I mean the kickers kind of said, shut the hell up, brought us, We don't need to replace me, you know, I mean, I still I still maybe I just don't get so close. Yeah, that's that's sixty three yards. Think about that. Tom Dempsey yard, Yeah, oh you know what.
And I had this answer question and I went back and look because somebody was worried about, well, what if he comes up short, who's gonna who's gonna tackle the returners? The only offensive guy, I mean, a non lineman out there was Witten, the holder and the kicker. Yeah, but here's what I noticed. And I don't and tell me if this happens, because I didn't. I don't think I've seen it before. On the kick, six of those offensive were spring Yeah. Absolutely, they were sprinting. Mickey's right. I've
never seen that before. Yeah. It was one of those things where obviously Keith O'Quinn and them had told this the group, Okay, listen, we're gonna try this, but you guys have got to cover it. And you got a fan out one hand. Garnade can't get you all. You know, you gotta have you gotta be fanned out there and then and tackling and hope you can make the play. They were Mickey's right, though. They were all in the sprint to try and make sure that thing got home.
It looked like the charge of the heavy brigade lumbering down field. I still don't understand why they didn't just come up with a all out block on that. You
know that teams need to figure that out. That this guy can make kicks from sixty something yards, you might want to rush him a little bit three of them now, yeah, yeah, um, all right, We're gonna take a break and then we'll come back and we'll explore what the Cowboys need to accomplish this week leading up to the Giants game next week and the trade deadline a week from today, and
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we're there. It is the Dallas Cowboys watch party to watch the Cowboys beat the Patriots and in the perfect season, come out, come out and have those dads to those nine routes, to those five year olds and bounce the ball right off the back of me and lindsay, come on out. Would you rather the Cowboys win there or beat them in the super Bowl? Though, Old Bill I think, yeah, you want the Bill. Maybe if you don't win, it
could be your Super Bowl preview right there. You might get Since Kansas City lost, Patrick Mahomes, he'll be back. He will be back, yep, quicker than ever. Yes, he will, all right. Joshua Crisp on Twitter says, love the show, gentlemen, thank you. My question is do you see the Cowboys make any trades or moves in this buy a week? Thanks? Yeah? What ten days you wait before the trade deadline next Tuesday at three o'clock. I would try and trade Anthony
Brown for something me personally. If you know he's not going to be here next year. And if you feel good about it, and I know it goes against what Mickey says because you need all these corners, and Mickey's not wrong about that, but if you if, in fact, if it helps Jordan Lewis get to play more, I would think about it. But I don't think that Chris Rashard would do that. But maybe you know, you could
go player for player. Maybe one of these teams have given up on, you know, that second half of the season. But a team that's given up on the second half, yeah, isn't looking for an Anthony Brown. No, But I mean if you're if you know, I'm trying to think a player for player without having to give up a pick, without giving up a pick. But I think there's also two There was there's a risk that you almost have to take a gamble to get a quality player. You
have to give up something of quality. And if you're the Cowboys, maybe you feel like, well, if we could get this thing turned around. You know it's four and three when the divis maybe your picks in the late twenties. Last year, you know that they made that a Mary Cooper trade. That thing was in the teams. That thing was in the top ten at one time and then it ended up being twenty seven. And there's no wide receiver on the board in that draft last year that went.
It was better than a Mariy Cooper. Coach Gorudon probably thought he was getting a higher pick at the time. Yeah, yeah, I think he got his running back out of that, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think he got his running back to the kid from Alabama. But what can I get for a fourth or a fifth? Yeah, there
you go. I mean it might even take a third, but I mean I probably a backup three technique because Stephen Jones has been asked about this, and I think he said something like on the fan, it's they don't foresee like a sell the farm type deal like a Cooper, which, yea, that that one. That's it to me, that's a generational type trade because that was an unusual circumstance. Coach Gruden in Oakland, they're starting over, you know, that doesn't really
present itself too often. They don't, and this team doesn't love parting with first round draft picks, so they don't the thing. Look what it did though, to help your team? Yeah, it was incredible. It's been. It turned your team team around, it turns your quarterback around. You You helped your quarterback immensely with that trade, you know. But it's so hard now, especially if you're training for quality players. What Jacksonville got
for Ramsey makes it so hard. If you said, oh, hey, well and I'm just throwing a name out there, if you asked up to the Jets and asked them for Jamal Adams, you know, we we'd heard some whispers about oh well you know this and that. But now with the with you know someone saying when we got two ones in a got two ones into three or two ns into four, that's sell the farm. Yeah, I mean, that's that's one of those things where it makes it hard to for a team if they want to give
up a quality player. Well, okay, let's talk about this then, and I got we got the draft show tomorrow at three. By the way, Tom Suskowski's our new co host on the Oh wow, all right, so about time somebody got them working again. Well, I got to say about some time you get to make the show better is what you're at myself. But but but is there is there a position Mickey throughout there. The three technique is is that? Is that the is that the best we can do?
You think the three technique beef inside? Yeah, I don't disagree with him on that. And you know, and Malie Collins had his probably best game. Yeah, and his contracts up too. But I'm looking at positions where okay, what if you lose a guy and and well, then important a position is and where you are setting offensive tackle making. It was gonna say it, yeah tackle didn't want to interrupt Bill, Yeah, like we're doing now, right, But what I got me thinking about it. It was Quinn's rib
injury the other day. It turns out it's not serious. Yeah, okay, oh no, that's about a rusher, an extra one that you can who who's playing because you're rotating those guys anyway, right, I mean you've lost Tyrone Crawford, who was who was gonna be an essential part of this team, Who can go, who could play inside or outside on the defensive line. I'm looking for someone to replace Tyrone Crawford. Basically, it's Hyder right now. Hider's the guy that play in position
on the line. It's done a nice job. The idea was we're gonna have Carry Hyder and Tyrone Crawford, so we still Needford. I like Mickey's three technique, though I do something inside. I like more tackle, but either tackle, offensive tackle or defensive. All right, that's the homework assignment for tomorrow. Let's get on what's up with players play players to acquire. In the next week, we'll talk about the draft show too. There you go, all right, talk
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