Talkin' Cowboys: Fans React To Amari Cooper Trade

hour and thirty. As soon as we finished, we got to walk outside or the inside one of the two. Well, it's supposed to were supposed to have one hundred percent chance of rain, and it sounded like when I was doing my deal with the fan, it's already raining downtown Dallas. I haven't got Bucky's forecast yet, so doesn't look like outdoor practice. I didn't see anything. Yeah, the water buckets, squeers tell you where they're going to do I did or anything. Yeah, I didn't say say any signs that

they're going to work outside, all right. Rob Phillips hosting for Bill Jones Today Wednesday, List Jones Day. The way it rolls. He's got TV obligations. He is TV man, you're radio man, and so are you. Brian brought us, Mickey Spagnola, Kent Garrison next door producing as always. Well, not a typical bye week Wednesday, not typical bye week.

It's not quiet around here. No, they've got a new wide receiver that should be there here today, was here yesterday if you want to go on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Nick Eatman spoke with Amari Cooper for the first time since arriving in Dallas, and uh, you know, I don't know what we'll what we'll be able to glean from practice this week. Yeah, shorter practices, lighter practice, assuming he's ready to go. I know he was in concussion protocol before where he was traded here or agreed to be

traded here. Sure can't trade or hurt player two, by the way, that's true. So so he had to pass a physical and all that. He did that yesterday, so he's good to go. Yeah, the trade even have helmets on today. Um, that's a good question. We've seen that in the past where they have not, so yeah, that might be more of but it's been in the past two with him he's done a thing where he's a

lot the backups. It's been a teaching teaching thing. Yeah, he's let the young guys, letting the backup guys get opportunities, like the guys you know with like uh, you know, Cameron Fleming will get some get some snaps. I'm sure how about Sue a Philo will get some snaps. How about Adam Redman, you know the offense, I mean, you know, get those backup guys a few more, few more reps. They they don't get as mini during the week, so

it's good option. Maybe get some your practice squad guys a look or two, see if they see if they're paying attention to what you're trying to do. I know that's secondary to compare to what's going on in the season, but that's how coaches approach what we're going about to probably see for the next couple of days. Keep the as veteran players you know, off their feet, let them kind of catch their breath, heal up their bodies a little bit more, and then you know, get ready for

the second half push. And as Rob you wrote about the injuries those guys, you know, just let him rest right and a healthy team so far. Yeah, a couple of guys banged up, Zack Martin, Jeff Swaim. Bryan said, those guys aren't going to practice. They got nice sprains from the game. So watching being an MCL is that what Jason said for both guys. Guys, yeah said hopefully not too long for Jeff Swaim. Zach was able to tape it up and play in the second half, So

that's that's encouraging. Randy Gregory got a nice scope, by the way, yesterday, he must have had to lose something in there if he's gonna be back real soon. I remember, I remember h Jay Novochek had it during the bye week, and by time they played the next game in the playoffs, he was playing. It's like, seriously, yeah, It's like within two weeks he was back out there. They think he'll

be ready for Tennessee. So I had a friend go through a scope like that and it was a kind of a meniscus deal and he was asking me about it. I go, yeah, I go. You know, Jay was out there in two weeks. I think three months later he finally got back on the tennis court. Yeah different, yeah, yeah, sure, what else are they trying to get out of this bye week typically, I know, besides resting guys and maybe given some reps to some other guys on the roster

with your regulars, your starters. Yeah, more of a self scouting situation, Yes, it is. It is self scouting. And the way the league now has it set up because of collective bargaining, is because you have to give them so many days off four straight four straight scouting include right Saturday and Sunday. Right. So with that being said, you know, back in the day, you could have practiced them all the way up till Friday and then giving them you know, then say Saturday, and then you have

to be at Sunday night. You remember what you remember would build the build it and let them know that Friday if they were going to have the no Thursday, they were going to have the weekend off. And then at the last minute he goes, yeah, but you got to be here on Monday exactly. So, yeah, the rules have changed a lot. You know, they're thinking about the players and what they're what they're doing, so you know,

there's not really a lot you can get done. The focus this week needs to be on on getting a Marie Cooper ready. The best they can and and and I mean acclimated, and I mean with meetings, you know, Rob, you and I did a mailbag this morning and it was a really good question by our the gentleman or that wrote in. And he's asking, what can Sanjay Lyle do? You know? We know out I keep saying on Hurns, we know what a Maury Cooper can do as far as a route runner and his ability to catch and

all that, But how can Sanjay Lyle help him? And you know, the classroom stuff will help, but he's got to be able to help him with when they do checks, you know. And and I'd be more of a game plan thing when you know, how do you how do you help a guy to get ready? You say, okay, when well, when the when the quarterback checks this, this is our route. And when he checks this, this is our adjustment. And this is when see I think Cooper

will be fine as a player playing the game. It's when Dak Prescott decides he turns his body sideways and starts moving his hands or you know, putting his hands together or tapping them together, whatever he has to do

to kind of tell the wide receivers. Okay, now you adjust your route from this to this, So they're gonna have to get him up to speed how quickly they make adjustments on the fly if in fact they see something that they mean, you don't want him out there running the wrong route and then Prescott throws him out and he's going on that vertical thing and then everybody says, oh, there it is chemistry problems. So it's problem you know,

communication issues, you know, all those things like that. So you know, the most important thing for him is to try and learn when they make adjustments, and a lot of they'll have to do with game planning next week, but this week they can kind of say, Okay, these are kind of the built in things that we do

when we see certain coverages. So pay attention when you're here, Uh, Dak going kill kill kill, yeah, And see if he's sitting there going yeah yeah, and he's and if he goes palms up on you, then that's a that's a

terrible sign. That's a terrible sign because again, that could be something that Dak is going to take off a run and he's gonna try and throw a quick screen, or he's gonna throw a slant on the backside or something something different is going to happen, and that's gonna be the most important thing I have no I have no doubt that that Amara Cooper is going to come in here and be ready to learn and to run

routes and to try and help this football team. Like he said, it's the communication things that he's going to need to learn here in the next two weeks that could either help him, you know, go further or you know, kind of keep where we're at right now with some of the things. I can't because I haven't seen a wide receiver where like a wristband with the plays on there. Yeah, it's been a off or what they're doing is back

go to high school games. I saw something. I saw something last night that I don't think I've ever seen in the world. It was in the World Series. The catcher Ketch as him had a deal on that wrist right and he's checking I guess he was checking and what pitches for what players or how they were going to pitch stealing maybe maybe maybe to avoid some signs stealing, but also too you know he was who had it on. Was at Boston or Los Angeles? I thought it was

I thought it was the Dodgers. Yeah, catcher sometimes in the lineup might be on there. You know, he's got an idea of how to maybe pitch a pitcher or a pitch. I saw that. But but it's yeah, they're just gonna have to get this guy up to speed that way. I think that's really the most important thing. I think all the other physical things that he has to do, that'll just be fine. He'll learn, he'll you know, and and don't be surprised if him and Daks sit

around the lecture. I mean, this guy's got to go sit in a hotel room for you know, the evening, the afternoon, whatever. Don't be surprised if you know, Dak Prescott's hanging out here, you know, with him after practice. So maybe a few park cars in the parking lot and the player a lot. You know, it might be Dax and you know, heck, they might go to dinner afterwards, talk a little more. I mean, it's this is important.

I mean, this is a really important This is one of those moves where it can can clearly make a difference to your football team. Because for seven weeks we've talked about the inability the offense to do things that they need to do. They've done well on the at home and and function better, but that's because they function with a running game. And you know, now they need to figure out, okay, if we don't function with the running game, how do we function with a passing game?

And and a lot of this is going to be on Dak Prescott's ability to come up to speed, uh, you know, with the Maury Cooper. But also, you know, don't be surprised if some other guys get involved. You know, some other you know, some other guys are meeting with them to try and figure out some of the things that they need to do a little bit better. And a lot of this it's not about the physical work

now about you know, timing and practicing more. It's about the mental to get that down so he can play fast and not be sitting there wondering, am I running the right route? Right in the middle of the route? Am I made the right adjustments? So just being in the playbook and being with Sanjay Law and Dak and because because a lot of people are going to sit here and go, I know it's going to happen. It's like, well, they only got two days of practice in and it's

only one hour or how much. You know they're Bill set it on our show yesterday. Who did Bill right? Yeah? And he's I mean they do have a couple two hour, one hour much today. Yeah, it's better. It's better than getting ready for a game, It really is, you think about it. At least at least they have some time now to to sit down and go through those things. When you're getting ready for a game plan, you don't have much time to sit there and coach guys up

along the way. But it's there's been some amazing players through the years. I remember Sterling Moore coming in here with like really gotten claimed or signed two days before a game and going out there and playing nickel corner. You know. I mean, there's there's guys that this guy is just tremendously talented that that I have absolutely no worry about. But what I what I what I would have a little concern about is getting him up to speed.

But this guy seems very bright, you know what. And he did out of problem and he seemed and obviously I haven't seen him yet, but just seeing at the interview that Nick did with him, he seems to be the non wide receiver. He seemed to be very humble. He said, you know, it seemed like he didn't come in here and start big time, or at least it didn't seem like No. I don't know. I guess we'll

get a chance maybe today in the locker room. Um. I wish they would just set something up and we don't have to get thirty people around one guy and put them in a podium. Would be a good idea, Well, I don't. It doesn't even need to be a podium, just somewhere where people can like be normal and and everybody can hear instead of it so you're tired of

having to box people out like your West unset. I've been getting boxed out, and I'm trying to make friends with the cameramen that have a mic in there, and they have their little earbobs and they can do without one of them. And sometimes my good buddies like Hose and Alex will give me one of their earbobs. I can listen, but bubs, nut bobs, earbuds, airbubs, earboads. We you know, let me see. Are you guys getting the feeling that are you guys getting a feeling a lot

of pushback from fans. Yes, yeah, well they getting pushedback because of the selection or the player. I think probably giving up your first round pick. Yeah, you know. I mean I'll sit here and say I wish it was a second sure, But if that was the price of doing business, to try to do something to not only save this season but go forward or with something that you were gonna need eventually, right then yeah. You know. I went on a huge rant yesterday and trust me,

I've my experience of being on the personnel side. Who would you do it with? No? I ran it here yet yesterday. I feel like I ran it yesterday about this. But you know, I I understand. I mean, fans, I get it. I know you don't want to give up. You know. Hey, it's gonna make me and Dane Burglar and David Hellman and those guys dig harder on the Draft show. I mean, it's gonna make us deaf to dig a lot harder. But that's what we do, and

I'm okay with that. But I'm also I'm also looking at as a situation though, where you could have sat there and done nothing, and then what are you didn't you know? I mean my approach has always been I'm gonna do everything I can to try and help my football team. Whatever I have to do to help my football team. I'm gonna trying to help my football team. You know, you should be you should be happy that they're at least trying to do something. You know, you

look at the Giants and what they're done. You know what they're doing. You know they're they're trading away some of their best players. There's giving away you know, Eli Apple, and you know what I mean. You can say what you want about him. He was a first round he was a first round corner Gone Snacks, Snacks, I mean, one of the better defensive players. I mean, good for

the Cowboys. You don't have to face him anymore. But I just I look at it as you know, I'm gonna do whatever I have to do to make this team better right now. And if it means going out and giving a premium pick up to get a wide receiver or get somebody that can help my team, I'm

all for that. I don't I don't see because, like I said yesterday, I've been with Jerry Jones when he doesn't have a first round pick, and it is the most agonizing thing in the world to watch, and it's the most agonizing thing in the world to be in the room with him when that's when that's going on. But he but he's but he's made the commitment to try and help his coach, his offense and his defense and his quarterback. You know, these are all things that I think that you know, as a fan, you should

try it. You should appreciate that you don't always have to agree with every move that Jerry Jones makes, you know, I mean I surely don't. And he, you know, he you know, he's told me that he's like, hey, Brian, you kick my ass pretty good. But you're fair about it. You know, I think you have to be fair about it. But I applaud him for doing something that he, uh, philosophy wise, doesn't want to do. But he did it

to try and help the team. By the way, if you want to chime in five two two ninety seven your thoughts on the trade, I think we might have taken a call or two yesterday. Yeah, I probably should open to me, there's two schools of thought that I'm getting hearing from fans media whoever. Number One, I think fans love hope, they love the draft They love the idea of having potentially a high first round pick. You don't know where this pick's gonna fall for now, and

that's hope. You've seen Amari Cooper in the league for four years and you see a guy that's had a couple of good seasons and a couple of seasons that have fallen off a little bit. And I think that lends itself to the other side of it. I think some fans look at this like it's a band aid, you know, on a situation a team that is probably not going to contend for a championship, and that's that's the frustrating part. Maybe you go ahead and you hoard that pick, you keep it, and you try to build

for next year. I'm with you, Brian. I think they send a strong message to the locker room that we're not we're not giving up on this thing. Yeah, and we're not going to waste a championship calor performance out of our defense. So far. This is no question. This defense is playing like a Super Bowl defense. They're giving up seventeen set. It's a game right now. Well, and I guarantee you on that side of the building, they're saying, look, if we can just score a little bit more per game.

If we can just sustain some drives, score some points, we might be able to shrink some wins together. Now we got to figure out how to do it on the road. Yeah, I think we're at everybody's at a point now where we've got to see it. Now, we have to see them play well on the road before we say, oh, yeah, they got this one. But but I think what Jason Garrett said yesterday shouldn't fall on deaf ears. He said this move was for now in the future. Yeah, they were gonna need a wide receiver. Right.

That's some good point, right, And where you're going to spend your first round pick on a wide receiver, that the wide receiver would be there that you made, that you wanted, that you wanted, right, or you'd be high enough to get who you want. Yeah, and so this this is not just about this year. They were gonna need this next year and the next year after that. Now,

we'll see if this works out. And you gambled a first round pick, but at least what you didn't gamble was a five year, fifty million dollars deal under the cap. How do you think Kansas City feels right now, Sammy Watkins, Yeah, twenty six catches and seven games, one touchdown. Feel great with their record? Yeah? But how much has he helped it's working out? Is it? Yeah? Do you feel good about spending what did they spend forty five or fifty

million dollars on the guy? If you're you have their record, do you care at this point? I would imagine you would if you had. If I think it of games, yeah, I think that. I think that when you talk about it, though, if you look at some of these wide receivers have been drafted, you know, I think that I think a bigger argument would be, do you think Mike Zimmer feels good about Treadwell? Do the does Cincinnati that the Brown family feel good about Ross? You know, it's hard to draft.

I think Josh Josh Dots Josh Dodson was picked about the nineteenth pick, I believe for the with the Washington Redskins. Do you feel good about him? You know? I mean, yeah, there's there's there's draft picks. You you know, you feel like the receiver. I think this is one of those moves where you said, yeah, absolutely, you got a young guy here, you're gonna see what you got at the end of the year or the halfway through the year, you'renn see what you got here, and then you're gonna

build on him for next year. You know, I think that to me, I would rather. I would rather as much as I love to draft, you know, I understand why they did this. I really do, because they if you watch, they're they're trying to help this offense now is what they can what they're trying to do. And I don't I don't have a problem with that. I

really don't. And I say it again, as much as I love to draft, as much as I would love to have a first round pick, you know, I would also like the opportunity to try and finish this thing out, and I would like to try and win this division, and I'd like to try and get in the PLAYFFS. Because you're absolutely right, Rob, this defense is good enough to go win a game somewhere. They can they can go win a game if they can just get some

help on the offense. You know, they get you know, we're asking for the line to protect better, We're asking for them the run better. We're asking them, you know. But the one thing that they really haven't been able to do consistently enough is throw the football. And if this guy gives you the opportunity to throw the football or help you throw the football to supplement some of the other guys you have currently on this roster, I

think you have to make this move. I mean two of their road losses, two out of four, defense had them in position to win the game, did enough to win the game, and you just needed a player two against. You need to drive, You need to extend a drive or two to make a difference. Absolutely, And I know you know Detroit game at home could have gone either way. But you could look at this team and say they

should be five and two right now. It's possible, you know, as as poorly as they've played offensively on the road, particularly right I think that's what they're looking at. I think the pulse of the fans is is that they don't think that a lack of a receiver is why we're three and four instead of five and three. Yeah, they grabbed the low hanging fruit, right, So the head coach, do you think, sure, you are just I don't know,

being able to protect the quarterback. See that that's that's where you know we've we've I'll throw me in there. This is where I've made a mistake with because you come out of camp thinking you can hang your hat on this offensive line. Oh, okay, I've got I've got an emerging Lyle Collins. Oh, I've got a healthy Tyrn Smith. You know, I've got Zack Martin. I've always count on

Zack Martin and healthy exactly. Yeah, and and and then all of a sudden, though, our world is thrown upside down when you get a you know, get a Lyle Collins who technique wise, is not as good as he was last year. You get Tyren Smith who's had some technique issues as well. You get you know, a rookie that has has played I thought has played well at times. I mean there's one or two times a game where

you know he gets beat, but that happens. And then you have a center that's really your backup guy, and he's done a great job. But it's not. It's not Travis Frederick. You know you you were thinking that this line was going to be something you could say. And that's why they I believe they made the decision to play by committee with receiver. Yes, they're thinking, okay, we'll run the ball, We'll spread the ball around and we'll be just fine because we will dominate the line of scrimmage.

And they haven't dominated the line of scrimmage yet. And they had Dak and comfortable down in Jacksonville could win. Yeah, And they had a prime example of what it was like with Ezekiel Elliott and that it was like without without exactly exactly, and that was the common denominator in what happened last year. And you went nine and seven, by the way, And now if if if you're not being productive with Zeke only every other week, which is what it's been, right, every other week, every other week,

they can throw the ball. The next week they can't, the next week they can. And one week Dak Prescott still the quarterback of the fete, next week he's not. And the teeter totter goes back and forth. Now, they got to figure out why this happens on the road and why it happens at home. It's it's just that simple. And if people would spend a little bit more time kind of analyzing and instead of trying to get the head coach fired, every move they make is about the

head coach. You know, I read this morning. Well, now the pressure is on because Jason Garrett's got this new toy and if this doesn't work, he can't save his job. Well, I think every defensives can say, yeah, if this guy is any good, then he's not going to beat me. Yeah, but you have to evaluate the team at the end of the year. I understand that. Let's not evaluate one move. Yeah, right now, I'm three and four. I am willing. I'm more willing to have coach talk on the offseason than

any other time. I'm but this is where we're at now with the coaching staff. You got to you gotta give him an opportunity to see if they can make this work. And at the end of the day, if it doesn't work, then the general management will need to sit down and say, Okay, this is where we were deficient and if it's not good enough, it's not good enough, and then you need to make changes. But if you if you've helped him, if you've helped him with the player and he's able to succeed, were good for him,

you know, good for him. But I'm I'm with Mickey on this though, I'm avoiding the low hanging fruit of just go out and fire everybody. But I am never afraid to talk like that in the offseason. If I feel like that, it's necessarily needs to be done. But I'm willing to give these guys this trade and these last you know, last nine games or so to see

if they can turn this thing around. You know, the other thing I think needs to be analyzed is they play fifty five minutes on the road against Washington and scored ten points yea, and in five minutes they were six inches away from scoring ten points in five minutes. Now what changed? What happened because they had to protect it better. They had to move the ball down the field to score a touchdown in one of those last two drives, right, they had to move the ball down

field to at least kick a field goal. And on top of that, the Deep Vents needed to get a three and out, which they got. Yeah, so you know, it's like you forget all that stuff. I understand the result, I get it, But what they did there, Uh, I was surprised the game was over right, you guys left the press box. It was twenty to ten. We always so did everybody else. Okay, there was nobody. I have to take a TV segment. I understand, I understand that, but then you can't see what happened when you went

down there. Yeah, well I got the ALL twenty two and I went back and did that. But you wrote before you got the ALL twenty. But I understand, I understand. I'm just saying people left, people left the stadium. Game was over, right. Is there a problem offensively? Yeah, And let's let's take a break, Sace. You keep wanting to extend this segment. Let's take a break. We got we got three minutes left in the show. We got two breaks left to do. Let's take one of them right now.

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was a little torn. The pick is high. Now if the reports are true that you had the Eagles and the Redskins and other teams involved giving a second, well, okay, it's an epic fail if we don't make the playoffs. Maybe you know advanced, But what's a bigger epic failed if you you go the year and a half and you had to pay Da Press Scott one hundred and thirty million dollars, because then you then it's then it's over with. Then then there's no more. Oops, my bad,

my bad. The owner is saying, oops, my bad for thinking you can bring any one of five hundred wide receivers and tight ends in here, because we got Zeke right. But so it's not just on Amari Cooper. Are we getting Mark Cooper last two years of the two years of the previously, But it's on that too. It's who's gonna block on here? Yeah? I mean, because the Marie Cooper won't matter if your quarterbacks sitting on his ass. I wrote that yesterday. It's not you don't get the

receiver of this caliber and say everything's great as well. No, no, but you got to get to the playoffs and maybe advanced. I applaud him for saying, oops, my bad, because he can't because you got to pay DAK one hundred and thirty million dollars. You're stuck. It's over with. There's no more oops my bad. So and you gotta pay. And you're coming at the cross roads here. We're gonna have to make a decision on DAK. Pay him or as a cooper just the rental player, or you're gonna have

to back up the brings trucks on him. Then you got then you got the Marcus Lawrence and Byron Jones, bless his heart, nobody's talking about his play. I hate to see him lee because finally somebody in that coaches staff said, no more musical chance with this guy. He's the corner and when you left them alone, now you see what he can do. So I gotta let this thing play out. But yeah, this is we're still in this division. I applaud him for saying, us, my bad.

Let me try to get to the playoffs and make some noise, Okay, So I'm gonna let you it's not And if we don't, then you gotta look at the draft. If we don't make the playoffs. It's not just about a wide receiver. If we don't make the playoffs, do we pass up on a top defensive player or whatever. So you just gotta let this same play and hope we get to the playoffs and can make some noise,

because look, you gotta play. You gotta play at Luna, you gotta play the Saints, you gotta play these other teams. You still got two games with the Eagle. You gotta score some points in here. I applaud him for trying. I just hope it works out. Ye, thank you. That's a great point. You know, you look at the teams you're about to play, and you know you got it. You can't, yeah, be screwing around with fifteen sixteen seventeen points a game, no defensively if you can hold them

in check. And we've seen some people hold, you know, we've seen people hold. Look what the Giants did the other night to to Atlanta. You know, Atlanta is you know a team that you worry about scoring a bunch of points. You know, the Saints can score some points, but both those teams are pretty deficient on defense. You know, you find a way to hold them in check. And now you get you know, twenty four, twenty eight points

in the game. You got a chance to win a game. Now, hell, you might win a game with you know, with twenty points if you just kit to the twenty. You know, That's what I'm saying, because the defense is holding teams under twenty pretty regularly. Yeah, under ten in some cases. Yeah,

what you got over there, Mick. I was just looking at the scores sixteen, thirteen, twenty four, and I think one of those touchdowns or field goals was a turnover short field nineteen seven and twenty but only thirteen on the defense. Yeah, so if you know, other than the Seattle given up twenty four, they're in the teams. Yeah, this this thing is not gonna be bad. It's gonna be You need the defense in Christi Shard and those guys and Rod Marini to keep playing, well, keep playing.

If I'm a defensive player, I see hope. Now, Okay, we're gonna maybe we're gonna get a guy in here that can make some plays, They can keep some drives going to can score some points. You know, That's what this is. I the only experience I've ever had so and this and This happened a long time ago, so pardon me for this, but when we won the Super Bowl in Green Bay and we didn't trade a first round pick, but we got Andre Riisen, we got Andre Riisen on our team for eight games, and Andre Riisen

helped us win a super Bowl. We were eight no in games he played because he gave us some juice. He gave us something we didn't have. He gave us a big time player on the outside. But again, it's not given up a first round pick, but but it's adding somebody at mid season that has the capability and the playmaking ability to help you win games, just kind of shake things up to get the offindence gone. If you know, if I'm if I'm that locker room, I'm

happy about this. I'm happy that that ownership in the front office didn't sit on their hands and not try anything. You know, if they would have sat there and done nothing and said, Okay, we're just gonna take the pick. You know, we're just gonna finish you know, six and ten and not worry about this, then then I would have felt worse. But you know, they're saying, hey, we have a chance. If we could just pull some things together. You know, defensively we've been great. Offensively, we've got to

score more points. We've got to have more drive sustained. We've got to we've got to help our quarterback. We've got to help our running game. You know, this guy, I mean, he might be asking a lot for him to come in and save this offense, but it's really the best I can do right now. I'm trying, right And we might talk about this on the Draft Show tomorrow on thirty PM by the way, for those who

want to tune into that for bye week special. Yeah, but about how much you value what you know about a player rather than what you are trying to project a player can be in the first round. Yeah, they value what they know Amari Cooper is now what they've seen, rather than what the guy next year potentially could be in the first round, whoever they pick. Yeah, that's there's

no question about that. I mean I've watched already, you know, I just kind of dabbled in and happened to watch like three receivers watch of kids from Arizona State and the two kids from Ole Miss And they're supposed to be top receivers. I don't see that right now, I really don't. I mean, I'm looking at those guys and it's not And I did this before even even knew what a Maria Cooper was, even the trade was going

to be. But you know, Dane and I sat down and said, hey, you want to watch the tape because I sat down with him and watched a few games and said, let's watch this guy from Arizona State. Let's watch this guy from these two guys ole miss And I'm thinking, okay, one guy can't run the Arizona State Guide, and look he can run very well. To me, he

look like we're really a dynamic player out there. So I'm sitting there thinking, okay, if those are the top guys, if Dane's having me look at some of the top guys already, and I'm not overly shot in the rear. And again, this is not this is pre Amari Cooper. This is just getting ready for a draft show tomorrow. And I just I don't know, I don't if you know,

I'm I'm trying to get ready now. But but I know people will argue, they'll say, well, broad us, what if they're not going to take somebody in the first what they weren't going to take a receiver in the first round. What they wanted to take another. Now, this is where this is where Nebbi yesterday made a point, and this is where Nebbi might be right. What if you evaluate this quarterback and you want to use a first round pick on a quarterback that right there, and

that's a fair point that Nebbi makes. What if you evaluate these last few games, this last half of the season, and you say, we just can't win with Dak Prescott consistently enough. But I don't Dave said this on our emergency pod a couple of days ago. I don't think they. I think they're all in on Dak Prescot at least Jerry Jones is everything. But I think Debbie brought up a really good it's it's it's a it's a fair point.

It's a fair point. But but everything Jerry said, and I know that, you know when he's asked point blank on a radio segment, what's he wants to help Dak Prescott succeed? But they are everything I've seen. They are all in on trying to help him. And yes, they

didn't go get they parted with Dez. They didn't go get an elite receiver in the off season, but they did spend a second round draft pick on a left guard who they thought would make remake the offensive line into another dominant force again, and that just hasn't worked out for a lot of different reasons so far. But they've tried to give him help, and I think they've recognized they haven't give him enough help. But I don't know, Mickey,

if you feel the same way. But I think the front office at this point, for everything Jerry said, they're in on Dak Prescott as a starter for the future and they're not looking at quarterback right now. I just don't think everybody needs to get hung up on the fact that he's got to get paid after this season. You got another season yet a contract. Yeah, So I

agree everybody just settled down about the money part of it. Yeah, you can buy time and if you're not ready to do it, then you know, well you enfranchise him after that if you want. And there's the other side of it that you've brought up, Brian, that I don't think they'll want to do that. But if they're keeping their eyes open on evaluating him, this helps speed up the evaluation, gives him a chance if he if he can't have success with a guy that I believe, I believe and

I believe they believe. By the way they gave up a first round pick, this guy is a top flight one receiver. You know, this is not off somebody's garbage heap. This guy is a legitimate football player, a legitimate receiver. They thought that they gave up the one. So if that cannot have success with a number one wide receiver, let's make the evaluation. But Micky's right, you got him for a whole other year. You know, this could be a situation where they look at they say, Okay, we

got our wide receiver. You see you see some positive things from Amari Cooper. You're like, Okay, he's twenty four years old going forward, that's great. This is something we could say. Now we could pair him with Michael Gallup and see what else we can do. Okay, what do we need now, Well, let's go look at one of these tight ends. Let's you know, this is where the draft is gonna This is where the draft is gonna go.

Last year, I mean they hey, we knew very early, at least I knew very early that they were looking at Layton Vanderesh. You know, I mean you look at all the things that were going on with Sean Lee. They were not going to let that hold them hostage anymore, and that told them not to be a great pick for now. So it's been a great absolutely. So you have to trust that this team has the understanding of like if they target a guy or two to go

after that, that's a that's a good thing. Now maybe we'll find out that with him on the field, a Mauri Cooper, that'll help the offensive line. Maybe Dack's not holding the ball, Maybe somebody's getting open Quicker. Uh, maybe it's a receiver you trust a little bit more other than Cole Beasley to throw the ball to. Got to Quicker, got to. But but the protection has to be better. And that's why I said earlier. You know, Okay, they're

they're putting up fifteen seventeen points a game. It's not enough. They're capable of more. We saw it against Jacksonville and there were opportunities late in that Houston game. They felt like they were close because they just missed on some chances that down the field that would have won the game probably and that was due in large parts of protection. So it's not just the receivers. But they took an objective view of it and said, we've got Garrett said

it yesterday, firepower. This guy gives us firepower on the outside. I mean, he gives an acknowledgement. He gives him a guy that can get down the field along with Gallup and along with Cole Beasley. You know when you're having to wait for Alan Hearns to run routes. And again, this is not Alan Hearns's fault, it's just the way Alan Hearns is as a player. He doesn't have the speed. But you got a guy at Amari Cooper that could separate, go down the field and make plays, make contested plays.

That's what you got to have for this office. Maybe now Dak Prescott doesn't have to hold the ball to wait for somebody to get open, right, you know, maybe now he could throw the ball and know that that guy is gonna go get it and go get open. Okay, let's take our final break. Come back, we've got another phone call, holding and time for more of yours eight eight eight, eight, five five to two ninety seven. Next on talking Cowboys. If you're like me and you love.

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man um Absolutely, I love I love this trade. Uh, you know, we shirt up this defense and basically, you know, what are we going to spend the first round draft pick on anyway? And we need really you know, but I would be really surprised if this team loses more than one game the rest of the six. Wow, not only since two thousand and sixteen. No, nobody see here does Bryant m They're gonna have They're gonna have to respect that shot. Okay, I'm gonna put nine in the box.

I wouldn't be surprised of six ten average over one hundred and twenty yards a game. That's how confident. Thanks going well in Ohio, Greg, not this one? Well we got Michigan. Yeah, there you go. All right, there you go. That can make up for a lot of things that can make up for you. They haven't ever beat you, guys. I know that you know what I'm I'm now pretty proud of Missouri going into Purdue and winning on a last second field game. Yeah. Man, how about those boiler Makers?

Boilers so eight and one down the stretch. Huh, I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for you know, what are nine games left? I'm asking to put together four or five I'm asking I'm asking for three or four wins in a row. Just give me something where I could build a little momentum, get me to those thanks There's gonna be some tough's ahead. You know that game

against New Orleans is not going to be easy. But you don't know what's going to happen on that you know, after the week after Thanksgiving, you don't know what you know. You don't know what shape their team is going to be in or your team, but you know you have an opportunity again the games at home. We don't have to go down there to the Mercedes say he's Ben's

doomed to go play football. They have shown promise on offense, protection, yeah, receiving, yeah, especially running, And that's one thing I don't I think Scotten lost a little bit now as much as they struggled offensively, every other week, they entered the Washington game with the second best running game in the NFL. Right, so they have some things they can hang their hats on. Now you've got a guy who can make some plays

on the album. If this guy, if this guy shows what he has been able to show in the past, he will clearly help this football team. There's no there's no question in my mind that he will help this football team. He is different than anything they have and that and you know they the front office has told you, hey, we we mess up this receiver by committee. Bit, we're gonna go out and get a guy who can generally go and make plays. And so to me, I'm all

for that. The price was steep, There's no question the price was steep. But also though you've got you're looking at this and saying, you know what, we're not going to waste like what you say, right, We're not going to waste a great opportunity for our defense. We're not going to waste an evaluation on the quarterback, and we're not going to waste an opportunity to try and help our running back too, and waste an opportunity to get a unique player in a unique situation. This doesn't usually

happen where a guy's just available like this. I mean this is they view him as a Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver, like you said, for a year and a half. It's a it's a manageable contract situation. It's unique that John Gruden has decided to turn over his entire roster. That's that's what John wants to do. That doesn't always happen. Nope, that this is an opportunity that they felt like they had to jump at high price. We'll see if it

pays off. You mentioned the running game. Yeah, they were second, they're now third after only gaining seventy four yards against the Redskins. And Zeke, after gaining only thirty four yards, is still the second leading rusher in the National Football League behind Todd Gurley, and he's only like sixty yards behind. So that tells you how good this running game has been compared to what the rest of the league is doing. Even though they had a bad game, they're still at

the top. So I just want to point out it's not all bad, That's what I'm saying. So they are running the ball decently. That Dack's running the ball decently, And if you get somebody to take some pressure off the offensive line that they have to. They can't keep playing eight men in the box. They can't keep blitzing. And I think that's one of the problems. Teams have no problem blitzing this team. They aren't worried about it.

And so when we're not going to get the ball out before they right before they get there, and and and then when they play single safety high, it's like, Okay, now you see Michael Gallup do a double move on the cornerback and burn his butt. Yeah. Uh, and then you give them some thoughts. So now with Cooper, that's what's got to happen. I don't even care if they complete the ball to him. Just show that you're willing

to do it. Yeah, and they're gonna have to cover it, yeah, because it's it's like it's like Jimmy Johnson would say with Alexander Wright, you know, he was fast, he didn't know how to play wide receiver and he didn't catch the ball right, but he said, you know what, as fast as he is, they have to worry about what if he does yea, and they got to cover them. So uh. I think this will help the running game and I'll help the offensive line if indeed he still

has that speed. If it doesn't, then you did. Then there are other issues. Sure, and then and that's again, that's offseason talk. That's that's that's staff, that's players, that's everything about it. That's where then now you say, Okay, this is what we tried to do. It didn't work, and we need to take a different approach. Okay, can't back to the phone lines. So who we got? We got Travis and san Antonio. What's up, Travis? How are we doing good? What's up? I just wanted to call

and ask you guys. Watching the Redskins game, Um, I know, you know Dak was on his butt a lot, so it's hard to make a lot of plays. And I do applaud them for being aggressive and going out there and getting someone at least change it up. It wasn't a change that I would have done earlier, but it's at least a change, and it's you know, they're they're trying, like you guys said, Yeah, my question is I guess you know, watching that Redskins game, you guys just kind

of talked about it. There was a lot of pressure and they were worried about getting the ball out before they got pressure on Dak. I think something that they miss with Witten. I remember back in the day. You know, if they were getting pressure like that, they're hot. There's always be a hot he'd be, you know, he he'd identify someone coming in and he'd step out. It'd be a three yard pass. And you know, if you get four or five yards against the blitz, that's great. Um.

So I think they missed that. And then the other thing is Brian yesterday, you're talking about Derek carr Um. I've watched Derek car too, and I know that he hasn't been as good as he was the path, that's true. But I do worry about I do worry about the fact that you kind of said the same things about Dak not you know, a few weeks ago, about sometimes

even when he sees somebody open, he's not letting it rit. Yeah, So I worry about that transitioning over to Cooper, whereas he's suing to get open whole bunch and he's not going to throw it even if he gets protection or um what's going to happen. So I just wanted you guys talk about that and maybe the hot stuff and have a good day, Thank you, Thanks Ravis. Usually it's

w Witne is detached. Remember when he was detached from the line that you get the hot because you get his guy on the blitz and that's where he would turn five field, clap his hands and you know, look for the ball. You know. So yeah, that but they haven't been getting it hasn't been so much the slot blitz stuff. It's been the inside stuff that Mickey's been talking about. They've had a lot of problems with the twist stuff up front too. That's been something that's given

him an issue. I think that the thing with you know, the evaluation with Dak and not pulling the trigger, I think that is fair. I think that's fair to say. And if we do get into these games and Amori Cooper is getting open and he's not getting the ball, well, then now it goes back to the evaluation of the quarterback. You know it, but it's it's it's something that is that you can work with and and and try and develop.

Or is this like Troy Aitman would say, you know, armtown and anticipation is something you're born with, you know. I mean, he's he's made some throws that I felt like the throw to Colby's And if you watch on Dallas Cowboys dot com, Kidd, did we put the film stuff that I did yesterday? Yes, we did. Okay, check that out because on the past I broke down to Beasley. He threw that ball for Beasley broke and I talked

about that. So if you go on Dallas Cowboys dot com and watched the film room, you know from the Academy Sports and Outdoors film room there, if you watch the play, he closed the ball clearly before Beasley gets out of his break. Which one the third down, that the one that was third and ten that he caught for eighteen yards. I believe it was okay. Yeah, he had Preston Smith right in his face and he had no choice but to try and throw the ball to

where he was. He anticipated Cole Beasley getting to that spot and threw the ball and it worked out great for him. So there's times where you've seen him throw and with anticipation, and then there's other times where he hasn't. And so that's where I think a lot of it had to do with the sack and the fumble was if they had somehow managed to pick up if they managed to pick up the curny or excuse me, Karagan's rush, if they picked up Karagan's rushin Dak is able to

make that throw. But then he saw the white flat and it talked. It took his eyes down and then he had to move. But it is there's there's anticipation. Things he has troubles with. But he also again it's it's funny. You'll see him watch that play. He throws it with some anticipation to Beasley, don't you know, And I stop it for you and show you when the ball's out and where Beasley is in his route to make that to make that adjustment, saying the Carragan thing,

tight end was blocked. Tight end blocked him. Yeah, and then when he released, and so everybody else is engaged with their blocking guys, and he loops all the way from the far the cowboys far right, and he comes around all the way down the middle. Yeah, actually from the left, Mickey, he was left. He was a left outside and came inside and know he was to the cowboys right, his cowboys right. He's about to say, Washington

left the Cowboys right. And he comes all the way and he goes around three offensive linemen who are engaged and comes down and it was like, here's the tunnel and here comes the locomotive. Where do I go? Yeah, and you know I heard all these people talking about, well they had so and so was wide open on the outside. Well yeah, well Karagan was wide open coming up the middle and he's standing in the end zone and that's when he realized, oh, I'm in the end zone.

I gotta get out. He got and he tried to spin out, and unfortunately Karagan beat him to knock the ball out. Reminded me of that ninety two game all that they showed that on TV. I saw that. Yeah, same thing, same score, by the way, twenty to seventeen because of that same play. Just another odd entry in that Redskin rivals. Weird stuff happens, Yeah, absolutely, And then you hit the goalposts after the make believe call on these snap infraction, Yeah, snap in fraction. I think that

was just a coaching move more than anything. Whether he infracted it or not, he made the referee believe he was doing it, and hey, my might as well mention this. It could pay off the end of the game, and it surely it did. When they jumped off and the coach Skins jumped and then Redskins coaches as coaching. So you're saying they jumped off sides on purpose. Yes, he probably go look, he alerted the referee. Hey, he's moving

the ball. Go look at us, Go look at it because the guy that jumped off side, he jumped because his partner next to him flinched. Yeah, all right, we'll go look at it, but we gotta go to practice first. It's over. Shows over. We got ten seconds right now. Yeah, kids played it right now. We'll get a review on it after the show ends. Thank you guys for joining us, Thanks for your calls and your input on the Murray Cooper trade. Thanks to Brian Mickey Kemp producing Bill, We'll

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