Talkin' Cowboys: Fake Or For Real?

Atlanta Falcons this weekend. But how is everyone doing today? Fantastic? Yeah, right, a roll always fantastic. Yeah, yeah, this is not the fan as the tours sometimes think it is. Stallas Cowboys dot Com. Yeah, yes, Gray roll. Yeah, a little peak of Atlanta arrest of the Metropechs not doing so well all this morning. I know. It's kind of sad to hear about some things at TCU and then on thirty five, Yeah yeah, thank god it was fake. Who walks? Who has a fake grenade in their car? I don't like

a toy like a plastic Very interesting people. It's the world today, Mick. Yeah, and sadly it is, but that's why we bring you an hour of Cowboys News for you to escape and just remember the good times, like the three game wins. Streaking there you go, yes, and of course the Cowboys are getting that win. But now looking at different injuries they sustained on Sunday, Tyren Smith headlining that one and talking about maybe being questionable for Sunday,

is that, yeah, we're hearing. I would think at this point that's a probably a safe term. So of course Chad's Green would replace him. How do you guys feel about that? Well, Chad's Green and then also barn Bell. I mean, Barron Bell has been a healthy scratch, but they've gone they split reps during practice. Okay, so we'll see. You know, I always talk about competition, but it looks like that they've kind of kept Chaz Green in his

position to make that start he was. He came in the game the other day, so they obviously feel pretty good about him. But you know, when he's had to make starts, Chaz Green hasn't been bad. Yeah, and especially at tackle, there's been a couple of different times where he's had to step in. You might feel like though a training camp and preseason games and stuff. He's been pretty bad. The only real real knock on Chaz Green

is the fact that he can't stay healthy. Other than that, you have a pretty good, uh, you know, offensive lineman there. I need to get into Atlanta's defense this afternoon and see, you know the matchups. You know, I'm sure he's gonna have to deal with guys with Vic Beasley's I know, a guy that has had a bunch of sacks and Brooks read guys like that. So well, we'll see how

that all plays out. If he has to go. Tyrn Smith, as we've all known, is very tough, resilient, you know, and if he can go, he can go and h but we'll we'll need to see. It's a pretty pretty interesting injury for an offensive lineman. Yeah, yeah, well he's chats got what six game plays in the game the other day, so I mean they're trying to wind the clock down there, so it's hard to judge. But yeah, I mean May two starts last year did a nice job Byron Bell. I guess could be an option there

if they split reps during the week. I wonder if Tyron's a guy that could just not practice during the week and still play. Absolutely, yeah, he does. He's part of that hard I thought, hard and fast rule for players, especially veterans. I think you could get away doing that with offensive lineman, I really do, more so than other position. Absolutely. I just feel like there's there's there's things that there's certain plays that they're going to run in the game

plan that he knows. Runner pass. I mean, he's okay, I know that's a pass, it's technique. Okay, it's run. Like when we're talk about Zeke the other day, Okay, how do you fit in the blitz pickup stuff? That's a little bit different, you know, when you start talking about players wide receivers too as well, Okay, this is the play, this is your route, but they have to

rep that stuff. I think offensive linemen are a little bit more customed to go in in there, down after down after down, and so if you take him out of that, though, there's they could still have that down after down mentality. I don't think. I think him not practicing, you know, would would be fine. I really really do.

Now they want him to practice, but they of course, but you know, if he didn't have any practice, I would not feel one bit hesitant to put him out there on that field, just because I know that if they say, okay, we're gonna run this running play, he would know what to do, or they're going to run this past play that he would know how to block it. There's a handful of guys on this team that put him out there. Yeah, you expect they'd be ready to go sea. He's in that boats and if he can't.

I mean this to me was the master plan right absolutely screen. It was supposed to be the swing backup tackle. Yeah, let's go with the plan. You know, the same thing like we discussed with the running backs of Zeke woodn't there. Well, this was the plan, So go with it. You can't sit here and go, oh no, what do I do now? Because that's the decision you made ten twelve weeks ago. Yeah, it's you know, and again need to get into Atlanta's

defense on the rush. But the next three weeks, if you think about it, though, you're planning to get some teams that can bring some heat, you know, with with like you know, whether we'll see again about the Falcon Rushers, but clearly the Eagles and then talk about the Los Angeles Chargers. You know, Yeah, Ingram and Bosa. So yeah, those are you know, you hopefully you get Smith back in a timely fashion so you don't have to go through those waters of having to deal with those teams

on the on the on the outside. Yeah, a lot of people are circling this weekend as the game that Cheeto A Woozier could be back. Of course, he's missed five of the six games so far. Yes, yeah, so yeah, I think the thing with the Woozier is, Okay, where does he fit? You know, what are they they? Obviously they had him at Safety and Green Bay. You know, they did a pretty good job of coverage last week with the guys they have. Okay, who you know is has been Wickery the one that comes off the field.

Now that you've been Wickery as a guy in primarily and special team stuff. He did pretty good as special teams at Washington. Yeah, so you know that's coaches sometimes get comfortable with the guys not Sometimes a lot of times get comfortable with the guys they have, and especially if they're riding a pretty good hand where they're stopping people, all of a sudden, it's like, okay, well let's let's just keep playing with the guys we've got, even though you want to see a woozy a play, you know,

at whose expense? And I think it could be at Ben Wickery's expense if they go that round. Yeah, is it a little different because he's a second round draft pick? And oh no, absolutely, you really have something invested in him. I mean, Taco is active every week. But but you need to win games, obviously, Yeah, you need you need to win games. I think that's the thing about it, is if you're a team that if you're a team that was three and six at this time, you know,

you say, you know, you're not just trotting a guy out. Yeah, yeah, you're trying to think, Okay, who can help us play? Is is if we activate him, is he going to be healthy enough to play? That's the thing that you have to know about because you got in the Green Bay game and obviously four five snaps he wasn't healthy enough to play, and now you're down a man, you know, so that those are always things that kind of creep into your mind when you're thinking about and I think

that's what they've taken so long with him. Yeah, and if they have to take another week, they'll be it. Yeah, And I think the other thing you have to consider when he comes back is his volume. How how much do you want him to play? Right? Because they were having him play defense, he was playing all the special teams this is true. How can he do both or you just do part of it? Right? And is he more important than a sixth wide receiver or an extra

defensive lineman right? I think those things will all come in to play because Ben Rickery's best basically just been a special that's always done, that's always done. Do you want Chitta Bay to be the special teams guy and just do that and keep your defense the way it was? You know, I think they have to make decisions. We always thought it would be good to have him in the slot and scan Drick in the slot when they went dime and leave By and Jones in the back

instead of bringing in Cavan Frasier. Uh, they can still bring in the Xavier Woods. They were kind of sharing snaps with Jeff Heath back there and the change up defenses. So yeah, you know, if he can play in there, he's awfully good. I think playing in that dime in the swat, it's another guy that can cover, you know, The one thing I've kind of learned about Woods is he can cover. I don't know how well he tackles. That's that's the thing I think. I worry about him.

And I love the fact that they're playing him out there, and I love the way he covers, and I love the way he sees the ball and drives on the ball. But again, you need as many guys in the field that can cover. You know, Atlanta's just watching their team this morning. I know we'll get into it a couple of days. But see, it's a it's a team that has big, wide receivers that don't run great, so you can match up. You better be ready for a physical

game on the outside. They got physical tight ends to running up the field, so that's going to be It's not so much about the speed with the Falcons. It's more about can you handle the physicality that they have on the outside with the receivers. I's tackled by Woods on the opening quarter, the drive third, Yeah, off the field. That that was the progress from him. Yeah, I've just I could say the inconsistency at certain times bothers me with him. Yeah, you know, but that's again we'll have

to see how that plays out. Now. Of course, coach Garrett informed everyone that yes, Brian Price will be moving to IR with the surgery that he is going to have. Now, looking at the defensive tackle position, what do you guys think you are the next steps here for the team, Well, they got to replace him with somebody, and Lewis Neil comes to mind. He's the only defensive lineman they have

on the practice squad. Now they could they could look outside the team if they want to go a veteran guy, one technique type player, I think is what they're probably thinking. As this morning, I didn't. I didn't hear any new names. Usually tuesdays a day where you get workouts that come in and stuff like that. So if they have to make that move, which they will, I think they're also waiting to see what's going on with Zeke's situation. But

that's a late in the week kind of thing. If they make these moves, I think, adding it will be late. You know they're gonna they're gonna practice with these guys that they have and see what they see what they want to do. But I hadn't this morning, had he not heard him working out any guys they really liked what Neil's done on the practice squad. They do they sure do you know he's two eighty and he's he's six foot Yeah, he's not. He's not a big sloppy

nose tackle. You know, Brian Price three hundred and twenty pounds, right, that's the one thing that Price has been able to do. And actually in the game the other day they played Price and Ash together, which I thought was kind of a unique way of you know, you get two really nose tackles and side like that. But uh, yeah, everybody really likes Lewis. They liked him from training camp. They liked what he was. I mean, heck, Robin, we were

we did our thing. We were you know, Nick and David, and when we all put together fifty three man roster, we had him on the fifty three. Yeah. Liked him, Mickey right, yeah, absolutely. He would always say watch sixty six and what happens with this is maybe you just

can't use your rotation like they like to do. I mean, I don't remember if it was the second or third series they had their whole backup defensive line in the game, right, or if you get the ball in a in a in a good position, like they're starting off inside their twenty. You say, okay, let's let's get the second guys in there. Because they had Taco, Ash Price and Benson Mayowa right, and they're all together. It wasn't like they were just

rotating one guy in. They did the whole line. And then as as the Chiefs marched right down the field, it was like, all right, they're on the other side of the fifty. You get the starters. Well, you know, it's it's going on here, it's the It's It's interesting though, the very last rush they had in the game that ended up being a scramble. Uh. They had they had Taco playing is that three technical? They had two three techniques,

but Taco was playing inside. So you had Benson Mayowa Taco Uh, and then Lawrence on the outside and Uh and Irving and David Irving playing inside. So that was your four man like go sick them line. You know that they tried to roll out there, and you know, we might see more of that, We might see more of Taco playing and some some inside techniques, some defensive tackle. Yeah, absolutely, no,

I agree, you guys. It's Brian Price kind of that guy that maybe was a little bit underappreciated, I guess you could say, but well, he just he just gave him some beef in there. Yeah, he's a big guy. Yeah, they don't really have that. I mean, Irving is a he's a slender, pass rushing type guy in the middle, and Mali can play the one. But I don't know if he's what he does though. That's what he does. Yeah,

and that's what he's been doing. They they they they've actually played the run better a because Sean Lee has been back. But b Mickey said, you know, hey watched the switch of David Irving playing the three and Collins playing the one. I think they found that Collins is a better one than he is a three. So he's a mismatch one. He is a mismatch one, he really is, because he can he could take on and then attack. The problems he's had is he's gotten home a couple

of different times. It's the same thing that Taco has balanced. You know, he he thrashes around, he kind of stumbles through. Good move and all. He's on the ground and you're like, man, just stand your feet. If he stays on his feet, I guarantee he would have at least two and a half sacks right now from what I've seen. Two and a half more. Yeah, two and a half more? What

he has? Yeah, Malik, just some balance issues there. I guess where I'm going with this is we talk about the three technique being the most critical spot in Rod Marinelli's defense, and all of a sudden, you got David Irving, but he's playing critically. Oh well, yeah he is. I get you know, it's Tyrone Crawford. And then they said, you know what, it's wear and tear on him. Let's move him outside, and it's worked. And then it was MALIEK.

Collins and now he's oh, now he's one technique's doing a nice job and knows is Irving the guy after all? Like this is the best spot for him. How many sacks as he have? He has six in four games. I think he's got nine in the last seven. He's the guy. Yeah, it's worked out pretty good. Yeah, well, they're really fortunate that he's restricted this year too, David Ring. Yes, or you might lose both those guys, Well, you might

tag one and goodbye to the other. I love it when fans don't really keep track of like the contract years and people were tweeting yesterday, pay that man what he deserves well, and that's another I mean, that's another consideration. Absolutely this continues. You could tell him, Okay, you could make two and a half million next year, or we might just hand you five million if you sign a long term deal. Right, did this at a time? They did this ten years ago with Jay Ratliffe. He was

coming off a Pro Bowl year. He'd it was his first year as a starter, and they gave him like five years twenty million and he took it. Yeah, and it was a steal. Not saying David, everyone's gonna take less, but I mean it's something to well, it's a steal. But the steel is you get your money before you are obligated to be paid. And that's huge in some guy's mind, some guy's mind, especially for a guy that

was a couple of years ago on a practice squad, right, undrafted. Yeah, it's like, okay, I'm stuck with it through a suspension though too. I'm going to hand you seven million dollars, right, you know, you can take that or work for two million and a half next year. What do you want? Who? What you know? Right now? If you can always sign one who Now do both if you can, if you can sign one both twitter good drop, good drop, you gotta do both. Yeah, you know we're not. We got

him for a little bit. Yeah, we got him for a little bit. You didn't work this hard to get to this point. And just you know, you know, I just get one. You know you don't want to, you don't want to just project one. No getting why not both? Scared? Because you got the tag, you got the franchise. Just say, just shag it up. Who's playing? Who's played better? He's okaya? Oh well, in a short period of time, who's played better? Irving has been more dynamic. But I can't sneeze at

ten and a half sacks. I'm not sneezing at that either. That's why I asked you who's playing better? I gotta give Lawrence with the full body, long, the long haul. Yeah, Lawrence, I've seen more. I mean that's and I saw another season with eight sacks. Yeah remember that? Yeah, and they did the move to go get him in the draft. We're worried more about you worried about Lawrence's backlong term? No, because it was the same thing twice. Now he makes

a definitive answer. There, No, it was the same thing twice. You really don't want to say who. You don't want to say you take one or the over the other. Now both, there's no sense playing bar games both. You can sign. You can sign Lawrence. I can sign both Lawrence, Lawrence or Martin. Oh dear Lawrence or Martin long term? If you can only resign one, going to resign one? All three? Oh oh, here we go. This is my say. Whatever, if you need to go to break, it's got to

be Martin. Right. That's why you let all those defenders go right. This is why we do terrible radio. Sometimes it's good radio, it's not. Okay, Then you answer the question, I think I would sign Urban long term is what I would do. No Martin or Lawrence. I'd sign Martin. Okay, best offensive lineman in the NFL. Yeah why not? Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah. See I'm trying. I'm trying to date nothing against Tank,

not at all. And I also, by the way, yeah, I have no problem with signing Martin if that, if that, if one or the other. But he's never missed a game, he's never knock on la. Lawrence has given you everything he's got, right, now and it's coming up ass for you. That's that's great. You waited this time to get him. But Martin has been the most consistent from the word go. Yeah, were you disappointed he wasn't able to get a sack last week? Mick came close a couple of times. He did.

I was like, oh, there it is he was, he was, he was all over it. He was still there. I mean, he's just so dynamic. He there was a throw a lot of problem. There was a throw that that that Smith makes going to his left and it's to the tight end with Scandrick and coverage underneath, and the throw is why, just because there was so much pressure coming from Smith's right from Lawrence that it forced him to fall to his right, which made the ball go to

the left and kept it away from the receiver. That's what you're getting from this guy. And now he's a half a sack in second place. Again, Blais Campbell, They're keep lacking back and forth. Saxonville, that's another big, that's another big. Saxonville, Brian, if you would yes, I used to work in Saxonville. Yeah, if you would just recognize that it is Saxonville. And Ramsey's Way T shirt for I'm sure they do. Probably. I haven't looked on their pro Shot pro Shop website in a while. I had

money tried to be extorted from me in Jacksonville. Oh we're angry now, and now we're angry. During the super Bowl, they the restaurant starts charging a seating. It's time. Can you imagine that, like it was gonna call if you brought ten people to the table to eat. Yeah, everybody had to pay ten dollars before you order. It's super Bowl making and before you tip. I'm sure you. I'm sure that's why Jerry pay for you go to the super Bowl. That's no, it was on me. Oh no,

you went. I was working, well, you work for the news or the NFL. Oh for the NFL. You were billing somebody or not. It wasn't enough to pay ten dollars. There's nothing coming down on any trip. How do you remember that stuff? It was extortion because he's walking down the harbor complaining the whole time about the super Bowl being there and he having to cover the Eagles Bowl. We didn't eat downtown Jacksonville. We went elsewhere. I think you just wake up and who's pissed me off. No,

I'm just saying that has wronged me. Don't you think that's wrong? Huh? Did you ever pay to sit? It's the Super Bowl? I don't care. I've been to a lot of Super Bowls and that never happened anywhere else. And how many times did you come out of your pocket on Super Bowls? Oh? I've spent a lot of money on Super Bowl? Have you yes your own pocket? Yes? Did you build somebody for it? Sent me no expense reports from newspapers. It was a pool report. He's working

for the NFL. Yeah, I got like how much did I get? Like two hundred dollars? Oh, that's that's for a week. Two hundred bucks for you for a week, you could eat like a king. But that didn't even cover one day in a hotel room. But the injustice, that is absolutely ridiculous. We are going to take our first. It was extortion Lord's portion. When we come back, we will have a big overview of the NFC and get two more Zekiel Elliott questions that everyone's dying to answer.

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How about that, Jalen Rams your aj Green. I think there's no love loss there between Romo and Sanders, right, Mick evidently, Well, no, no, no history. I've always noticed them like when they he's been on set with them together, They're like on NFL Network, they would kind of snipe

at each other, you know. Human Irvin Michael has always been really supportive of Tony yes, And I'm not saying Dion hasn't, but there's always been a little tension there between the Well when's Tony been on NFL Network after games? On the game? Yeah? Yeah, and training camp and different things like that. Yeah, they've always kind of taken friendly little brand you. It's apparent now that you don't have to be bald forever. And Dion Sanders is showing us

all of that. What happened once you get your restoration paint? Yeah, paint, Oh, paint like real paint? What it's pretty much paints simplified it. Who is it really like spray paint? Spray on hair? Like? Do you like have to put like a like a do you have to tape off? You have to tape He has not been present for this procedure or whatever you want to call. How do you do in TV lights when you sweat it? Does it run? We don't

know the exact details, but I'll find them out. It's not paint, but it's it's kind of just put on an artificial thing. Yeah, instance, So is there any depth to it? I don't know. I just think that it's funny, like death. I thought he looked at it, Yeah, look like has been for years. Yeah, he has been for years. So just be bald, be you deon, own your life decision. I made a decision, make you to be bald. Well, I'm I'm catching it. Are you debating it right now

in your head? Catching up with you? Yeah? Well then that goes. That's a good segue into our next segment here. I want to do a little something. Are they fake er for real? And you know we're talking about Dion's fake ish hair, So let's get into it the in teams that we want to know are they fake or for real? Okay, got to start with the Eagles. Are

they going to continue on this success? I mean they're eight in one right now, They've gotten there with no bye week, They've had big injuries obviously, Jason Peters highlighting that one. But are they gonna be able to? Can you? They only really need two more wins to hit ten on the season. That's pretty impressive. That is impressive. It's kind of the same run as the Cowboys had last year.

With the way they were winning games. I didn't think initially they were for real, but I was wrong about them. They've they've got the personnel and they've got the personnel to be able to withstand some injury. They're doing great job on defense, obviously, the quarterbacks playing well. They went out and got a runner that can help him in some pass protection stuff which they needed. So played great last week. Mick by the way, yes he did. Yeah,

at the tight end. The tight end didn't play last week in the game, and they still moved the football in Denver's. Denver's a quality defense and they embarrassed them. So I'm gonna say they are for real. You start four and oh, yeah, they're for real. If you start four and O, I still want to see more. If you start eight and one a season, you're a good football team. And like you said, they're a complete team. They're playing well defensively. Carson Wentz as an MVP candidate.

Barring some collapse, the team's going to the playoffs. Yeah. Their next few games after this bye week obviously are the Cowboys here at at and C Stadium, the Bears at home, Eagle or Seahawks on the road. Rams on the road, So they'll probably stay in California most likely that week or something like that. Yeah, that would be a good matchup there. There's a couple of back to back teams. Seahawks are going to be fighting, you know, and the Rams are clearly going to try and you

know they're trying to win that division. I mean, that would be a great story for them. Yeah, well let's get to the Rams next, Mick. You think the Rams are going to continue six and two right now? Have had some dominant performances. Are they for real? Yes? What makes him for real? They're six and two running game? Yeah, the running game. They run the football girly, the pressure off absolutely, and go Off's good enough to continue doing that.

They've got a really good defense too. We saw that they were able to get stops in that game against the Cowboys in the second half. They get they right the ship is what they were able to do in the second half. And so yeah, for real head coach too, they're they're buying into his mentality, his ability. He understands how to get this. This quarterback go in the right direction.

Four touchdowns the other day in that game against the Giants, and know the Giants are really struggling bad, but four touchdowns, no interceptions, They're not turning over the football, they're scorn points and their defense is good enough to hold him a game. Then another thing. I never thought i'd say this. Give Wade Phillips a lot of credit for what he's done on defense there. Yeah, they're for real. I didn't think it was a bad loss at eighteen C Stadium.

I know some some did. And they're a team that's you're not familiar with being an elite team in the NFC. But you know, they put up thirty five on the Cowboys and that's about what they were averaging and they're continuing to do it. So yeah, thank it for real. Yeah, it's very real. Indeed. Now let's look at the Saints. The Saints are silently on a six game win streak there. Now, the Saints are in a situation right now where they're

not having to throw the football to win games. I want to say that Drew Brees and their six game winning streak has only had one game of over three hundred yards passing. So Sean Payton, they moved on from Adrian Peterson. Alvin Kamara has been a really good addition to them. The rookie actually has at a Tennessee, Tennessee. Yeah, he is. Remember he's runs, he's been running with balance. He's done a great job, catching the football in the flat,

making plays. That's a big they're in. The Saints are finally playing defense. That's the key. Yeah, they're actually playing who they finally settle on as a deep because they've been allen for a defensive court Alan they used to be at Oakland. The head coach at Oakland, the kid from the guy from here right, Yeah, what's his first name, Dennis Salenn Salen. Yeah, they finally found a defensive or he Dennis Salon was a little bit in the hot seat.

Team started Owen two and they were kind of thinking, okay, goodbye Sean Payton. But again, they run the football, they play defense, and they found some guys to uh like a Kamara who's done a great job. I need to see more. I need to see more. They don't trust it. Oh, they've beaten some teams that quite frankly aren't very good. Um, I still look at their schedule. They still got some tough opponents ahead, Redskins in their offense, Rams, Panthers twice,

Falcons twice. They're you know, they've got to win a bunch of games left in their division to make the playoffs. Still, yeah, obviously they're playing well. And if you got Drew Brees, you got a shot, would you like would you like your chances if you had to go play a first round game there? I wouldn't want to go play a game. They're absolutely not not I need to see more, Yeah, I need to see more, but I don't like that stadium more. But I'm gonna stay far away. Yeah. Yeah.

Have you ever been there for a home playoff game? That is not good? That's Minnesota twice with a headache? Wow? Yeah, Wow, another place I wouldn't want to go play another playoff game in Minnesota. Well good, hey, good segment, because the Vikings are one of the only teams that have beaten the Saints and now you know they're looking like they could be a strong contender for NFC playoff stuff. So that they got a great break with the fact that

Aaron Rodgers is missing all these games. Anthony Barr. Yeah, but that their defense with Mike Zimmer give him a lot of credit. They've played with backup quarterbacks. They find a way to move the foot. They lost their runner, they lost their primary guy. I mean that team was going to that way when offense if the runner doesn't get hurt. They were going to be playing the super Bowl at home. Yeah. Wow, that'd be kind of a crazy, wouldn't it. The Yeah, their defense is nasty. They're for real.

Show me more. Oh why do you say that, Mick, Because I don't trust the quarterback position. Yeah, even with Teddy Bridgewater possibly making the return and when did he last play two years almost It's a great story. I love great stories. But you asked me if they were for real. Bradford wasn't playing too badly before he got hurt. Yeah, I mean at least the I mean, he's never gonna totally wow you like he did at Oklahoma. You're gonna get back anytime soon. If they put him on ir now,

he could make it. He could make his return for the playoffs. Yeah, that's yeah, we'll see. They've done a great job. I mean, Zimmer, they they they've got they've got the personnel on defense there there, They're they're gonna be a tough out. They've they've got. They go to Washington this weekend. That'll tell you a little bit about them, you know, going to play a team that Washington little bit banged it, but heck of it win for them to go to Seattle and kid, Mike, yeahs blay or

Walsh still with the Rocks. Goodbye, Gosh, poor guy. I'd bring in about talk about a good story. Yeah, well, you gotta make kicks in this league. You know that's a big issue there. You can't lose. You can't lose games on special teams the way you can't. You just can't if you have the opportunity to make fuelicals. I'm not saying they have to be all fifty seven yards, but make field goals and catch punts. Yeah, that's another one. Yes,

he's mic dropped there. Finally, the Cowboys. We're looking ahead and we're looking at some of the big games. Obviously everyone's got the Eagles games circled on their calendars two weeks from now, but it really means nothing if you can't get that win here in Atlanta. So we are going to be doing all that. But it looks more and more like that New Year's Eve game in Philly might mean a lot. I think the game, Tay, I'm gonna go a week ahead of you on that one.

Let's say the Seattle game is going to be the one that's gonna mean a ton. That can mean if the Rams are starting to run away with a division and you're looking like, okay, who is the fifth wild who are the fifth or six wild cards? So you're competing against Seattle. You know, that's why that Washington lost, I mean lost to Washington. I didn't have a problem with that, even though Washington's within the Cowboys division. But I was trying to think of NFC games and who's

losing what and stuff like that. So yeah, I mean you you're saying to the Cowboys for real? Is that what you ask? Is that the question? Yes, I do I worry about them without Ezekiela's yeah, that's that's yeah, that's the elephant in the room. And I can't say show me more because they've shown me more. They really have.

They've shown you. They've shown me. Offensively, there there what we thought they were going to be were really you know, the ability to run the football, the weapons on the outside, the quarterback with no sophomore slump. Defensively, we still have our questions, but the last three weeks they've been outstanding well. And you know, Mickey was writing down the names of the judges and why that matters so much is it's a two one decision this week Yeah, it really is.

It's going to come down to two one. It's not all three to one, and you've got two Republican ones and one Democrat one. See where they sway. But yeah, this is a huge decision. This is it, right, I mean, if he doesn't get this, this is probably the rest of the way out, the rest of the six games unless yeah, if he gives it, I don't think you could petition the Supreme Court or an emergency and June, yeah, I don't know if pair Mason is going to show up here and then save the day. But somebody I

don't know. The good part of this whole deal is it from reading some of this stuff. Normally, they when it gets to this three judge panel in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, they they basically make a judgment on some summary summary. Right, They're gonna let him argue. They're gonna let him come and each lawyer have his say, so instead of reading a brief, they're gonna actually hear this case. So you've got a chance that they'll listen,

because I guarantee you Judge Catherine didn't listen. But there were oral arguments made and at the Fifth Circuit too, yes, yes, but I'm saying if this this court, I read they normally like this week, everything's on the docket. Uh. They they they call it. Uh, they judge on submission, eating I submit what I'm gonna say to you, and you read it. They're gonna let him have oral arguments in this one. So there, so there's gonna be questions going back,

so they can question you back and forth. Who was arguing for the NFL. I think the guy who's arguing for the NFL has never lost. Yeah, the guy that came in out of nowhere Kessler argues for the Players Association, and then and then make you I thought you'd remember this, can't remember that. But there's a guy that he's the guy that based there did the break. There's he's the he's the Mariano Rivera of Yeah, he's NFL. He's undefeated. Yeah, when they played the Sandman song, he comes walking out

of the center field and closes the game. So be ready, Hey, let's everybody else do the dirty word. He is. But Ezekiel will not be traveling to New York this week. No, there's no need, no need. I mean, it's not like they're gonna ask him any questions. But he can practice, right, Yeah, practice tomorrow and Thursday, and then he who knows, maybe Friday too. If they don't make it the ruling done come down till after twelve thirty, Well, hell he could

play right Sunday. If there's no ruling during the world. I think they're probably gonna odds are Yeah, and I'm sure the NFL is going to press for that. And it is in New York. Yeah, as soon as that word comes down. Do you hear what Michael Irvin had to say yesterday? I did not What did he say? He said? And they want to hit the hit the legal pad, and I want I want to get it, get it off the three legal pads you got in

front of you today. The Lady of Justice is no longer blindfolded, right, meaning if you've ever seen it, she sits there with the scales. Scales get one hand and the sword in the other, and she's got a blindfold, right, Because you're supposed to be objective neutral. Nothing's supposed to sway you in making an objective decision. Age And Michael Irvin said, she ain't that blind goddess anymore. No, if you just had his laugh, I can't do it all.

He was literally happy. That's me that aiden Michael. Michael's is much deeper. But but he's right. And so what you pointed out about the judges, two of them were appointed by the Bush clan uh h and w and then one was appointed by Obama. Obama, and there's one female Livingstone is the female on the court. So it's it's almost like you're sitting there going, Okay, one's got a flip. Yeah, you will one somebody's got to get influenced. Yeah, so I'll call him, you know. And the thing is

is will they just will they just listen? Or will they or were they? You know, I don't think it's a reach to say Goodell overstepped his authority, you know, in this whole thing labor law. Yeah, if they're just gonna say, okay, we're not messing with the labor law, that's you know, that could be as unfair as it needs to be. Well, that's not fair to the common man, right, the common worker. That's not fair. But the problem is the common worker negotiated that. I understand that, but they

didn't negotiate it to be not fair. Well no, but they should have known what they were doing obviously, well, I guess you should have said, no, I can't trust the commissioner. I should have eaten that extra big mac either. Yeah, negotiations. I should have gave them one more padded practice back. You know. Well, let's go to the phone lines. We have Reuben from Austin. What is your question? All right, thank you for taking my call. Today's my birthday, so

after birthday, birthday, Oh, thank you very much. I just wanted to ask you a couple of things. First, I guess, Brian, if you can kind of come in on this. I wanted to know what the development of Jonathan Cooper and Lyall Collins has been this season. It just seems like they're meshing well together now and just kind of want to know what they're doing better. And then second, I wanted to talk about, you know, the injuries, the defensive tackle.

Looking ahead maybe in the draft, who are some good one techniques out there, maybe they are projected into the first maybe early second that we could get next year. And then lastly, I'd love some tickets for the game on Sunday. If not, maybe just some Tommy Johns or a Paba John pizza. There you go, that's all doable right there, probably probably Tommy John's absolutely the uh, I don't start looking at drafted players until December fit, so

give me a month on that. And they're not going to draft the defensive tech not not any not in the first round. Somebody asked me the question on Twitter this morning if they would take a one technique that high, and I said they would, Well, they love Collins and Irving's playing so great. Why would you do that? Yeah? But the to me though that that you know, keep an eye the draft show. We'll start that after the after the first of the year, we'll get into that

and kind of carry. Has anybody realized how well this defensive line is playing? No, that's what I don't disagree with you. I mean, why all of a sudden now it's like, well, they got to draft a defensive tackle. These guys are pretty good. They're playing well. You know, if if losing your back up one technique is going to break you, then you're not You're breakable. Yeah, I mean,

what are we worried about here? Sure, it's interesting to be there without If Terroll McClain was here, would you think you would see David Irving play as much or would he be playing inside might Yeah, he might be. He might be rotating with the with the loss of with the loss of Terrell McLean, is that actually allowed you to develop David Irving? You've gotten to see more of him. You only had to sign one. Who would you sign McClean or Irving? He already made that choice. Yeah,

what's your answer? They obviously chose Irving right now. They did shows. They did shows because they didn't want to spend the money. But the thing about okay to the development though of Cooper, and actually, he looks far more comfortable now playing the guard spot, and the guys around him look comfortable with him, you know. And and he's he's always been a guy that could play with power

and that's never been a problem. Some of his early problems were worth second level blocks, scoop blocks, reach blocks, things like that. He looks far better at doing that kind of stuff in the game. And you know, they haven't you know, we've seen him do some short pulls the traps get him in the outside. I don't think he's ever going to be as good as he was at North Carolina he was drafted, but he does flash times of good mobility. Collins I thought played really well

in the game the other day against Justin Huston. It's not almost made him just yeah, yeah, two tackles you know too for the game. And that's that's incredible because usually Justin Houston's a guy that kind of can eat you up a little bit, and with him and Tom Bahalley on the other side, But yeah, I give Collins a lot of credit when I have said it's a bunch and I've written it a bunch. When he is bad, it's with his hands. We saw it just every time you watch him play, if you want to go to

the game pass stuff. When he misses with his hands, he has problems blocking, and it tends to happen to him in kind of the little bunches. He'll miss one time, he'll miss another time, and then he'll miss a third time and then he kind of gets back on track. So far less of that in that Kansas City game than what he had happened to him in the Washington game. I thought Travis Frederick made a really astute comment about

Cooper last night on Brad's show Cowboys Hour. It was they asked him basically that question on why those guys that each guy was gonna um kind of talk about the guy playing next to him. So Travis had Jonathan Cooper and he goes, well, think about it, he goes, the guy's been hurt, hadn't played much football, right, got to us what the last game of the regular stah, So no padded practices right at that point in the season, right, he goes. Then we go into the offseason, he goes,

what do we practice ten ten times? No pads? We get the training camp. You practice you know, in pads once every well once a day, but that's it. And then you get an opportunity to play some preseason games, but no real season games. He goes, if you think all the time, this guy hasn't played a real game in pads, He goes, it's understandable that it probably took him a little while to get back in the swing

of things. He goes in now, he goes, you know, he's playing closer to what he was when he because they were in the same draft, right right, right, he gets drafted North Carolina. He was incredible. He really was the mobility that you know, if you had Bernard and r I always say his name wrong, Yeah, that you watch the tape, You're like, gosh, who's that in front of him? And it was it was Jonathan Cooper. Jonathan Cooper was just so athletic, and you know he got

banged up. And Mickey's right, I fully respected hey hadn't had enough time. But he looks comfortable now playing in that spot, and that's what they need him to be comfortable in. And I think Zack Martin's point on LC was, you know he's also playing a position Heaton brand new. Yeah, and he goes into One thing I can count on him is he will brawl out there. Right goes. It didn't matter if he misses something or he doesn't get his technique exactly right, he goes, But I can count

on him brawling out there. He will do that. He'll fight, scratch whatever he's gotta do to win. And he goes. And I love that about him. So it sounds like they're building some cohesiveness on that line. Did that runner too? All right, Well, let's take our front break here in the SAWBC Mortgage Studio. We will be back with Rob's Twitter poll and so much more to join us right

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more meat. That they made it impossible for you to order pizza, then it because you can't make it this Yeah I can't. Yeah, I want it all. He's always hungry. Give me sweet in the kitchen. Sweep the kitchen. I like that. We almost brought you guys some coolte pizza yesterday, but Mickey decided it was too cold. It was it was really cold. It had been there since well, it was the pizza, the Papa John's. How could you leave Papa John's pizza after the show. Yeah, I didn't eat

it all. You know what, You know, it's funny. I'm not supposed to be eats it, but I'm so superstitious. At halftime, we've won the last three games. You have one piece at halftime after we do our little halftime show in at the studio, and we've won the last three weeks, and I just it's so good. Though maybe it was Nate's portion. Nate doesn't eat the Papa John, he doesn't. We have all those young kids in there that don't eat that well surprising, they're all like healthy kids.

They should because the ingredients, the pepperoni. This thing has gone on for two minutes. It is healthy. It's healthy people, all right, Robot John's. By the way, your Twitter polls save us? All right? Who needs a mickey vote when you've got over five thousand Cowboy fans. I'm in on it on this one. Well, then you got five thousand in one because I fixed my my my Twitter. Oh, I got the poll. Four options for mid season MVP. Dak Prescott, Ezekiel Elliott, the Marcus Lawrence or Sean Lee.

You guys got mid season MVP. Well, since I finally got a chance to vote first, could you vote a chance? Dallas Cowboys are five and one with Shawn Lee on the field. I will take Sean Lee. Finally, I said, Dak Prescott, you know what I voted, Ezekiel Elliott? Yeah, you did. Everyone that I liked that five and one though.

I do like that. It's a great stat Yeah, I'm gonna go with Dak Prescott because numbers wise, the position he plays, kind of having to weather what we talked about the offensive line early in the season, no running game, running games, struggling. He's weathered all that, and he wins the poll forty five percent of the vote. That's pretty close. How many people voted over five thousand? There you go, thank you folks. Yeah, so how did the other percentages

work out? Shawn Lee got sixteen percent of the vote, that's it? Yeah, I should have voted nine percent. WHOA and d Law had thirty percent? All right, so no, none of our group picked Law. No, wow, And he's been the catalyst right for this. I thought we all revived past I took. I took the guy with nine percent, you took I took Elliott? You took Elliott? And did you take Dak? I mean I took a day oh two decks, Okay, five and one with my guy on

the that's a great number right there. Good research, Mickey, five and one, No, that's good research right there. I thought of that before I voted. Yeah, Oh that's good. Always an informed man. Yes, he is an informed voter and decisions not so much. What is your question, um, just just uh, just one thing, um about the offensive line. I just did what I did, UM. A few weeks ago.

I rewatched all the game, all the games from this season, and uh, I noticed that I barely noticed any hesitation when they are blocking when the offensive line was looking at I really think they're jelling a lot. YEA. And my question is by the end, by the end of the year, do you think that rod Smith could be the backup to Ezeculate yet at running back? Thanks for taking Michael, have a great day, Thank you. Great question?

Is he saying rod Smith now said by the end of the year, I think I think they're living their starter here in yeah week and I certainly think twenty eighteens possibility because those other two guys, Debra a livingstone. They value them. They're both veterans, Morris and McFadden, but they're earlier for judges over there, both free agents after the year. So you're looking at Rod down the road and saying, this guy could be your change of face,

guy who relieves Elliott at times. I don't disagree with Robin and depending on what happens. You know, Mickey made a great point this a couple of weeks ago about he goes, it might be worse it starts, but I don't know who necessary is going to finish this thing. So yeah, I think he's onto something there. And uh and I will say that that we'll see if this thing breaks the way that they know that they don't have Ezekiel Olie, you're going to see her a lot

of rodsman. I think they were getting him ready to play last week until the court reversed its decision. Well, I did see the owner answered the question why Darren McFadden was inactive all this time, and he said, we wanted to make sure he was healthy and fresh. Yeah, he got suspended. Yeah, Mickey, it's like you have a tie with the organization or something like. He's interviewed the

owner a few times. Owner whisperer you really are? Yeah. Well, Nebbie has a question on Twitter and he said, Hi, everyone, do you all believe as I do, we should be able to make play against Atlanta's linebackers and coverage. I haven't seen Atlanta's linebackers in coverage yet. I'm getting through their offense right now. But it's still in three four. They are still another playing fourth three four three. Yeah, it's that old. It's the Seattle Front, is what it did?

Dan Quinn? Uh, yeah, you know. The linebackers. Beasley's a primary rusher, Dion Jones is a pretty good player at Mike linebacker. Don't know much about Devantre Campbell. But yeah, we'll we'll sure take a look at I know we're gonna get into that next couple of days. But I do I do have a lot of respect Jones. Jones made a lot of plays last year as a rookie. I mean a ton interceptions, interception returns. Uh, you know he tackles. Yeah, right, and I'm here. Is that the

one that I'm from? Here? Uh, I don't know where Dion Jones is from, but anyway he is. He might be right, Mickey, but he is. He showed up very very well. Don't ask Surrey on the area. If you go, I could just keep talking. This series is better than Yeah, his suries better than anybody's Surrey by the way, but yeah, we need to see but nebbe, I promise you'll get from New Orleans. You know, one thing, just real quick

looking Atlanta early. Like you said, we'll get into it Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, he went to Dave's High School in New Orleans. Oh he did, sorry, fight the fighting helmets. Yep. Um. Everybody's talking about how their offense has struggled, and it's not the same. Defensively. They have six takeaways this year in eight games and their minus four with their turnover margin. They're just not getting as many possessions and Matt Ryan's got the same number of interceptions through eight games as

he had all last year. So they're not They're just not as efficient all the way around as they were last Well, there's still the sixth ranked offense in the league. Well, I know, but everybody's been talking about how predictable they are now and they're not the same. And they still got excellent players, and defensively they need to give them some short fields. And their defense was ranked higher than

the Cowboys. Yeah, twelfth, what's what's just looking at some of the back end numbers for them, teams have found a way. It looks like inside the thirty yard lines, opponents passing their last in the league. The quarterback rating is one nineteen. So when you get inside the already on them. They tend to to give it up there. So and they've also looked like that me just I

just got this. They looks like they've had Uh. Yeah, Rob, you're talking about takeaway totals are bad at six and and also opponent's rushing for four plus yards on first down is twenty ninth fifty percent of the time. They were plus eleven turnover margin last year. Yeah, barely lost a game where you played a team last year last week that was huge on that turn on that turnover margin, right, what was it plus sixteen plus ten thirteen takeaway yeah,

plus ten only three turnovers all fumbles, big factors. Yeah, did you guys think that? Uh, it was going to be Alex Smith's first interception here for the Cowboys who've who have sometimes struggled with getting picks. I had my doubts and the much maligned Jeff Heath too making making the picks Jeff just because it was their first pick since the second game of the season. Yeah, I think Jeff Heath though he could had two. Yeah, I mean,

he'll get you two interceptions in a game. Man, It always do it is he he always he's got he gets interceptions. Off big time quarterbacks too, right in that kind of his jamis Winston. Okay, well I thought it was quarter Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I'm saying. I mean, he's always kind of taking it off quarterbacks that have been pretty good in the leagues. He treats them like grapes. What he treats interceptions like grapes. He gets them in bunches. Oh oh, nice sky the comedia

at the Bomb Factors trying, No, I like it. I just trying. What was that? I love when Mickey's in these foods. It's just the best. And Mickey. Now we're seeing all these people who are saying I'd voted for Sean Lane too. The people's voice right here. Comments on the polls, by the way, are awesome. A lot of debate about that pole. That was good. Yeah, that's good. That's what I'm glad. Well, you're a brilliant rob Oh, Brian helped me with that one. I'm glad Mickey figured

it out where it was though. Now we can have controversial I have a whole column on Twitter in My My Little Deal tweet deck, tweet deck. What was this that was a plus? In front of at talking cowboys. It said plus at talking cowboys, and I finally realized it, and so my man William I called him over and it's like, what's the deal here? And that's that shouldn't be here. He was closest. Okay, you were next down the line. Don't need you, don't need it to find

the twitter pole? He really, I mean it's not William or William or whoever is Well, how did you know? It doesn't show up? And it never showed up. As soon as I got rid of that plus mark there no one had to help me, and I let everybody know, thanks for help. We'll come up with the good one today, Rob, we got it? What is it? What is the one? Today? I was working in a movie about old line what's the company that does poles? Like nationally? For the gallop? Gallop? Rob,

gallop over here. It's funny, thank you there ken't play the drop? Ken't uh you want to do an old line pole? I just felt like that could be something of interest. Yeah, what's the question him? We'll think about it, oh line. Yeah, we'll have lunch and talk about it. Yeah, over a bowler Minestroni GUMBOO day gumbo today Gumbo today, I bets think gumbosis can be okay, do you think it's gonna be like the meal or just the soup? Just okay, guys, Well we know Gumbo Bryant that Yeah,

what you got about des Bryant, I know that. You know, as Garrett always says, he's ok. I don't like hearing me and ankle two years ago. Yeah, I mean he dealt with both two years ago and wound up having surgery. That's not the case here. He's told us structurally, he feels fine. There's nothing serious about it. But you gotta he is not missing a chance to play against Oh, there's no way, but you know he is not. When he strangle him from behind. Oh, he'll do whatever he

has to do. That's a that's a I'll tell you what he these these guys line up to play against Julio Jones. I mean, these guys really really do this. One of one of those two things is very sore. Yeah. I don't know if it was the ankle or the knee. He had trouble within. He had trouble with the knee at practice. That's kind of why we thought maybe the knee had more problems to it. Well, that's right. He wound up on the end of earlier. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

we'll do some research. Yeah, I think it'd be okay, we'll bump into some in the lunch room. We'll figure this. Sparence Williams okay, yeah, I think he just he seemed fine after the game, like he walked it off. Yeah. This is something I think he's been dealing with all season. That hasn't really a rubber man. He hasn't missed any practice time. He's rubber man. He just kind of snaps back after a game like that. He ain't sitting out. No, heck, no, fad me. Do you know they win two hundred dollars.

They have a little bet between the receivers, like who has the most You knew about this rumb Yeah, whoever whoever has the most after catch, the rest of the receivers all have to put in the pot. Yeah. Yeah, Terrence talked about it after. These guys make so much money every every Tuesday. But they will fight you for a T shirt or a thousand dollars or they will they boxing gloves. Oh yeah, they will fight you for Seriously, they players, players make They make a great living. I mean, hey,

but they do. It's very I trust me, I understand what players do. But they will, you know, you give them what you say, oh hey, a T shirt's on the line, they will go all out for a T shirt. And then the next thing you say, hey, wait, we gotta we got a little little jackpot here? How much not coach sponsored? Let me tell you that's not you know, Saint's got a little trouble for that. But like you know, their own little thing, they will they will battle for

those few hundred dollars. I mean, it's crazy. I don't know anything about it. That you do blind is a bat. Yeah. They also do little college beats. You know what, when the commissioner comes and asks you to testify, let me know, yeah yeah, the college songs elite as long as the team's not. Yeah. Sure. Jannah and Dez Bryant just went at it this past weekend, no doubt. Maybe Darren McFadden and Lyle Collins will have something on the line this week. Nicky,

you remember what real quick? Since the guy's gone real quick, you remember what testa Verdi used to do on the plane flights where you get to draw a card. He played like they used to give us our perdemn like an envelope and you could draw a card. You gave him your perdem and you draw a card. If you had high card. You took everybody's perdem. And I think they're perdem is probably a little bit more than what everybody else, still a little little even I did it.

Every they need it. They sit in the hotel. Oh you ought to hear them carry on. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. But that's what testa Verdi would come. He'd he'd walk down the aisle with a deck of cards and you got to draw one. I think I lost every single time, but I did it. I didn't care. Do you have to have a high or low? I forgot hi Hi Hi card. All right, Well, thanks Kent for another great production here on Talking Cowboys. We will be back tomorrow,

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