Talkin' Cowboys: Expectations On Offense?

Mortgage Studios. Except for oh wait, we're not all live and in person because one of us is, uh, you know, just virtual again. Hey hey, Isaiah, you're looking great down there. You're looking nice and sunny and you look fantastic. Look at that freshly shaved I mean, what are you doing? Where are you at? Man? It's just a little family vacation, you know, just taking the family out. They just got

out of school. You know, we got the season coming up, so I'm just you know, a little quick, little getaway so I can go ahead and recalibrate and get ready to get back to it. I'm impressed. If I were doing that, I would not be doing the show today. That's dedication. Yeah, I would. I would see you guys next Monday. That's dedication right there. You know what he like Bain said, we're here for the people. Why why would that the reference? Why why did we have to

go straight to people and we're here for them? We gotta, you know, we gotta have one a show at least. Yeah, it's fair maybe villain reference, but hey, yeah, no, we appreciate your We appreciate your dedication. And how about that for the listeners at home, you get to steer still here Isaiah stand Back, even though he's a little just, we still have him in our hearts here we're talking Cowboys.

But outside of isaiahs stand back, we've got Rob Phillips, heck My Horiston, I'm Kyle Yeoman's driving the bus here for the next hour. As OTAs begin today here from the Star and Firstco. Now, we don't necessarily get a chance to watch any of these OTAs at least today, because media availability is tomorrow and it's raining outside here in Frisco, so there's no real look at the Cowboys team anyways, so OTAs on the horizon, we're gonna kind

of preview exactly. Hey, there's a good live looking outside. Great job Chris Beam and Scott Purcella watching. Yeah, there's the Toastito's Championship plaza as it is rainy and stormy, nasty outside, but inside we get to talk about OTAs. We're gonna preview it coming up here in just a couple of minutes. But first I wanted to ask you guys a question. I was asked this the other day on the Blitz and it's it was a very interesting question to me. Katon Gates came up with the question,

and ultimately it's who has the most pressure? And we talked about offense and defense last week, right and we talked about how there's different types of pressure on both of those sides of the football. But who has the most pressure from a coordinator standpoint, Dan Quinn or Kellen Moore?

Kellen Moore entering his third year, dan Quinn of course in his first year as the defensive coordinator, different types of pressure certainly, But Rob, if you had to put your finger on it and you had to select one of the two, who has more pressure to succeed heading into well, this upcoming offseason, this upcoming training camp, than preseason than the season. Who would you put it on

dan Quinn? Easy? Easy, dan Quinn, And not that he's on the hot seat, but look, he's coming into a situation where, hey, this was the problem with the team last year. We're bringing you in because this has to get fixed if we're going to take it to the next level. So and he's here, by the way, because he's got a great track record, great resume, but he's coming in to a situation where he's got a Kellen Moore, doesn't have to change his game, doesn't have to introduce

his scheme to anybody. He's just got to fine tune things. And there are things that they've got to improve on offensively, no question about that. But dan Quinn starting from scratch in Dallas with a lot of young players and a lot to sort out in terms of lineup and get everybody on the same page in these OTAs in training camp. That's what didn't happen last year. So he's got to do that here. He so, Hi, I'm captain obvious obviously, you know dan Quinn for sure already comes in on

the hot seat. He sees his predecessor done one and done, and he has to do something and he realizes the historically bad defense, YadA YadA, YadA, you got him, get right this ship right. But if you want to talk about someone that should be should feel a little bit of pressure, I would say it's Kelly Moore as well.

I mean, even though the offense was middle of the road, fourteenth in the league, still he realizes, with all the built in excuses from offensive line to dak going down, that if he had all of his horses in the stable, that they would definitely I'm just gonna say, top ten, top five offense, and maybe that could have catapulted you to a playoff run. But yes, obviously it's dan Quinn because of all the things that he has to fix. But doesn't mean that Kellen Moore doesn't have a little

bit of heat on his back pockets as well. So I'm gonna let Isaiah answer first, and then I'm gonna tell Heck my wife, that's a coward answer or Isaiah, what do you think is it Dan dan Quinn or Kellen Moore in terms of the total pressure that's on them? I can't. I can't. Unfortunately, I can't see my boys faces more. But I know Heck with probably gave him the what's not I know, I know him, but no the obvious I'm a double back on with my guy,

heck said on the Captain Obvious. But for for three reasons, dan Quinn number one is coming in and he's expected to be fixed Felix right, So he's coming in from a historically bad defense. Not only does the historically bad defense coming in on his shoulders, but he also has a history of being successful. So people are expecting the legion of boom to be present now here in Dallas. They're expecting that that same type of energy, that same

type of type of vibe. So that's the expectation of his history, both here in Dallas and also coming from Seattle in Atlanta. Number two, he has to come in and create a culture. Right there is there was no culture on that side of the ball, so he is going to be tasked with creating a culture. And then number three, he has to not only bring the guys that were ready on a roster, but he also is bringing some of his previous guys. Oh and by the way,

let's ask the Ricky's in there. So the onboarding process and the stress of all that together obviously makes him the number one choices terms of who has the most stressful job coming in. So this is why I asked that question because I had a feeling that the easy answer was going to be dan Quinn, and I was hoping that Hackman would also go with dan Quinn. But he kind of went with both of them at the same time. But I didn't think it was a coward

I said, you said it was. It was a little It was just kind of you said dan Quinn, but both basically is why I thought it was a coward answer. I wanted you to go one way or the other. Is it dan Quinn specifically? What did you say? I say, it sounds like Kyle trying to tell tell her to tell the people that you're playing it safe. Sir, Yeah, that's what I was saying. I mean, to choose a side. I want you to be one certain. I mean, it's it's heat on both of them. What are you talking about.

You go six and ten, you don't have the success that you want. Your offense is abysmal. Also with your defense, they get all of the heat on them because they're historically bad. But because of the quarterback carousel and your offense being dysfunctional. U just put them both in the pot. One person doesn't miss heat over another one. Kyle. Okay, so don't start no sh you won't be no I

this morning. That's fair, Okay. So yes, Basically, the reason why I asked this question is because the easy answer is always going to be Dan Quinn, right. Yeah, I mean it is. He's got the fixed Felix like like Isaiah said, he's got that mentality of having to come in. And I don't know if the legion of boom is the expectation. That's surely the goal. We would love for that to happen. I don't know if that's the expectation. I think the real answer is Kellen Moore here and

the reason why. And I wanted you to kind of switch it up a little bit and you put out the number of fourteenth in the league. You can't do that again if you're Kellen Moore right, Nope, cannot do that again. If the team, if this defense is not necessarily the same as what it was in twenty twenty, if it's a little bit better, then I think you're fine. But it doesn't have to go from thirty second or I guess twenty eighth is what it ultimately was. Defensively

doesn't have to go from twenty eighth to third. It has to go from what twenty eighth or probably fifteenth, sixteen, seventeenth, so be a competitive team. That's because it's a multi year project. And that's my question is who has more pressure in twenty twenty one. Dan Quinn has a multi year project on his hand. Kellen Moore has been handed the keys to a ferrari where all of the all of the tools, all of the weapons are all there,

they're all ready to roll. And if he doesn't succeed, I think it's more on the offensive coordinator than it is on the defensive coordinator. Asiah See, Kyle, I don't I don't know if I can get down with you now. I'm as as they said, and white man can jump. I'm hearing you, but I don't know if I'm listening to you on that see. And the reason now that you're not you're Jimmy, But listen to Jimmy here. But you know the reason why would say that our defense

doesn't a great movie. The reason why we say our defense doesn't need to make these huge strides is because of our expectation of greatness on our offense. That's the reason why we say our defense doesn't have to go from twenty eight up to the top ten. If we if our offense wasn't what it is already and our expectation wasn't is what it is already for for our offense, we would be saying, Okay, we need our defensive go

from twenty eight to top ten. But we're not because we have an expectation of greatness on that side of the ball. And look, before Dak Prescott went down, even when Tyrn Smith out, they were averaging well over thirty points through five games. Yeah, sure, now is it perfect? It's not. Yeah, they had to And by the way, like that one in what was it where they one in four, two and three start two and two three

almost one in four. Don't put that all on the defense because Zeke was fumbling the ball, Dak was fumbling the ball. There were some picks, there were some mistakes that were handing the ball back to the opponents and making things harder on the other on the defense here, but they showed they could pile up yards and points. They need to get off to better starts. They need to stay healthy, and they need to be better in

the red zone. Red zone has been a problem for really as long as Kellen Moore has been here, and I know, you know, he kind of chuckles about it when he gets asked about it. Sometimes it's a situate. There's different reasons why it doesn't work. But I think they were twenty eighth in red zone efficiency last year's scoring touchdowns at like fifty percent. But who has more

built in excuses? I mean for as far as guys going down for the defense, right, and so you look at the defense and you say, all right, well, dan Quinn, you got things that you have to fix wholesale, you know, for the offense, you get Dak back, you get your tackles back, you solidify the swing tackle position. You're cooking with Chrisco and so, you know, you talk about numbers

we've last year going becoming into twenty twenty. All we were talking about is the numbers that Dak put in the previous season and why that didn't equate to a playoff. All right, So is it the good offense beats bad defense anytime? Good offense? Which one do you prefer? Good offense good defense? Which one is gonna win you championship. And I think in the NFL today everyone would side with a good offense, and I think we've shown that we have that, especially with the points in the yards

that we've put up. See And that's kind of my point here is, Yes, the offense was to blame for the first five games prior to Dak going down, and then after that injuries kind of snowballed into the season. That was, but it had the numbers. This offense was there, and I mean I was questioning on the on the check at a moment Ago says, when has this offense ever been a ferrari? You just look around. I mean you have Dak Prescott, Isszko, Elliott, Amari Cooper, Cedee Lamb,

Michael Gallup. That's good enough to be a Ferrari. And then if your offensive line is healthy, you can add to it. And so that's the nitrous to the Ferrari. I guess if we're gonna stick with the metaphor fast and furious, you have the right tools, well run movies. Yeah, right, you have the right tools. You need the right driver, And I'm not necessarily convinced that through two seasons, Kellen Moore has shown Hey, I'm the guy that can make

this thing go no matter what happens. Because once Dak went down, sure expectations change, but there was a lot of struggle on that side of the football for a long time, not only a struggle for numbers, but a struggle for creativity, a struggle for rhythm. Anything you needed Kellen Moore to find as the offensive coordinator wasn't necessarily there and wasn't consistent. And so that's why I say the pressure is not on him. He's not safe by

any means. Neither is Dan Quinn. We've already seen that the Cowboys can replace after a year of a defensive coordinated right now, I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think either one of these guys are going to go anywhere. I think they're safe. Yeah, I think

they're both very I think so, yeah, go ahead and there. No, I mean I was I was questioning the use of I know he has a huge vocabulary, but the words safe right there, I was kind of questioning it because both of these guys are locked in loaded for at least a couple of years. Then Quinn's obviously he can come in and do the he can have the worst

defensive the league and he's still gonna be there. The following season you started looking at, you know, another side of the ball, and yeah, absolutely, we said that about last year. I'm pretty sure. No, no, no, no no, no, nobody ever said that Mike Nolan. Mike Nolan doesn't Mike Nolan was expected to come in and contribute and try to turn this thing around. But I don't think when you compare the expectation levels of Quinn and Nolan, I

don't even think they're in the same ballpark. I just honestly, I really don't. Uh. And then you know, Mike Nolan him didn't bring his whole his whole defense with him either, seemingly. So I think that, you know the expectation of Quinn, I think they're both locked in. But Quinn has a lot on them and I don't disagree with you. Um you know in terms of in terms of an office side of the ball, that he has a lot of

pressure on him as well. But if you think about it, how many games have we had with an experienced Ceedee Lamb, a healthy officer line and our full three wide receivers and Dak Prescott all healthy at the same time, hasn't happened yet. Yeah, it hasn't happened. We haven't seen it. So that's why I say that there's less pressure on that side because guess what, nobody. You could hand the ball off to either one of those guys and somebody's gonna shoot. You can hand it off to Lyo Collins

and he gonna do something with the ball. Welst, we have a healthy, healthy offense. We're gonna be good. You remember when, uh in twenty sixteen, when yeah, there's a party out there, I say bumping. Do you remember in twenty sixteen at training camp when Romo got hurt and there was a press conference and they were asking the Jones Is what to do now at quarterback? And would they would they be interested in Nick Foles possibly and and Kellen Moore. Jerry had the famous line, we'd like more,

we like more. Yeah, And it turned out they also like Dak Prescott because that's what happened. Yeah, Moore got hurt a few days later and they became the Dak Prescott Show and the rest is history. But they love Kellen Moore. Now they don't done. They don't just like him. They'd love him. I think you talk about bright offensive minds around the league who's trying to find the next Sean McVeigh. They think he's got that type of ability.

So I don't think he's going anywhere in terms of play calling, and proved it on January second of this year by extending his contract. Yes, you know, when all of the whispers and everything was going on about him possibly moving to being the Boys head coach, they said, I shut that down real quick. Let's go ahead and get this extension out because you know, because of what he's done in this offense. Look, guys, putting all of

this together is what Kellen Moore is charged with. You know, let's get put this offense together and have the rhythm that we expect Last year. Man, let's just call it a one off. With having four different quarterbacks starting, it's really hard to get any continuity synergy between any any

of your lineups that you put in. I think if we go back over the season, maybe the Pittsburgh game, a loss, was probably the first time that we saw the offense look anything similar to an NFL offense because look, man, with d Nucci, with a lot of the other guys that were in there. They just didn't have that rhythm. So the offseason right now OTAs this pair of month

for the success for both of these That's a great point. Like, I don't even know if we really saw how they want to play with Kellen Moore Collen plays with this offense last year because they put themselves behind the eight ball with turnovers and they got off to your point, with rhythm, they need to get off the better starts offensively. That small sample size didn't get off to good starts, but they showed they could move the ball while Dak was in there. They just turned it over and then

they become a past happy offense. Then when Dad gets hurt, they have to become more of a run you know, take the ball out of the air of the ball type offense run first. So I think there's more of a balance there that we haven't seen yet with this offense. And I'm with Heck and I'll make excuses for him.

When you start eight different offensive line combinations, Isaiah, and like twelve different overall combinations within games, I don't know how you how you sustain anything offensively the last eleven games of the season. No, absolutely, I mean the expectation last year was I mean, you heard Missus Jones say it himself. You know the level of expectations has changed, right that that has moved now after Dak got hurt.

But to your point in terms of Kella Moore, have we had the opportunity to really see what he wants to do with this offense? I say the answer is note because from the first game, Sho, we had guys going down, right, we had guys going down immediately, you know Jarwin going down, and you know it's like that

changes everything. Now with the hick do we have in Schultz, let's figure it out, right, But we haven't had any games with an experienced CD Lamb, So a solid three three receivers out there would experience a healthy Jarwin right, and we got shots backing him up. Now all of our offensive line coming back and Dak coming back with a vengeance. I'm excited to see what these guys are gonna do. But I do not agree that he has

the most pressure on him. And with all of that, you have a Namara Cooper that has eleven hundred yards receiving. You have an Ezekiel Elliott with all of his fumbles six yards seven yards away from going over a thousand Yeah, Cede Lamb, that's right on the cuspoper of a thousand gallop all of the other guys that have contributed on this offense, even in the down years. So it's hard

to say. Look, Kellen Moore has to give us more. Obviously, you feel as though with getting his weapons back or getting Dak Prescott back to navigate this offense, you gotta feel good about his job and what he's gonna do. Yeah, I still want more. That's my biggest thing is I want I want m O R E from m double o R. I want more from Kellen Moore. I want

to see the creativity. I want to be able to rely on him as a play caller, as an offensive coordinator and say, hey, whenever things go wrong, don't worry, we got Kellen Moore. He's got this. He's a creative mind. I want that kind of confidence in my offensive coordinator and I don't have that right now. I'm not saying he's not a great young coordinator. I think he is. I think he does have tools to become Want that guy, Yes,

that's what I want. You got that guy it Kello and a lot of cool stuff with the Nucci was doing Uncle Riko on the sideline within an inchies what he was doing, Oh my goodness. Yeah, where can they be more creative? You know? And that's tough because, like you said, we haven't seen a full fledge or a toolbox for Kellen Moore to get creative with it. And I think it's more so of going back to whenever he didn't have those tools, whenever he didn't have the tackles.

How how do you find a way to make Brandon Night and Terrence Steals successful? And I think we saw a little bit of that maybe during the three game win streak right at the end. But once again, who were we beating? The Cowboys were beating They be a Wincinnati, they were beating Philadelphia. Yeah, you weren't beating those those big time teams. And then also creativity on the offensive scheming to stop a pass rush like Washington. If you're gonna win this division, you're gonna have to find a

way to stop Washington's front seven, plain and simple. I mean, you're gonna have to find a way to stop them and slow them down from either getting your quarterback or getting to your running back who you've by the way, invested multiple millions of dollars in that backfield. So I just need to see the creativity from Kellen Moore whenever things go wrong, because anybody can be successful when everything's

going right. I need to see it. Whatever everything hits the fan, and Kellen Moore has got to make some different, different decision. And the odds of having you're starting five upfront ready for all seventeen games, probably not gonna have probably not gonna happen, the odds against you. I love how you said sixteen in and switched over to seven. I can't do it either. I gotta do it at the same time. All right, when we come back, Yeah right,

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There's a party on the window. It's different. Hey, I would be out there. It was his shows over. He is talking to himself because he's and he's on the top floor. There's nobody out there. Yeah, you're exactly right. He's at least thirteen stories above Brown. Yeah, he's doing believe that, doing great work out there, sticking with us. Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, Heck Maharrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We've got mail back Monday coming up here in a

couple of moments. But an update for Cowboys roster is the Cowboys do sign a wide receiver. There's been a lot of hubbub on social media about wide receivers coming to the Cowboys, potentially coming to the Cowboys on social media. But Johnny Dixon wide receiver who was with the Houston Texans. That was the wrong Jay, wrong Jay. We can't really talk about it. But Johnny Dixon five eleven receivers, two

hundred pounds out of Ohio state. He was he was a tryout partner, one of the two guys to work alongside Brett Hunley last Friday, Rob, what do you know about Johnny Dixon as he comes in as a quick little camp signy. I know that he went to Ohio State. That's it. That's all I know. Okay, Well, played at Ohio State, caught sixty seven career passes close to twelve hundred yards, had sixteen touchdowns when undrafted in twenty nineteen. Spent time with the Cardinals and the Browns this spring

before signing the deal in Dallas recently. So quick update. Not yeah, not the jay anybody's hoping for. But yeah, so that's fun. There's Johnny Dixon on his way though. Uh, let's talk about this mail bag Monday question. And of course you can go read the answers from Rob and the group on Dallas Cowboys dot com and see the entire mailbag article. But Bradley and I what you've been in your bag has articles? What I do you've been? That's that's a I'm sorry, that's a good reference to

you have been on it? Brother? Thank you? All right? When you hear in your bag, that's what you think? Okay, Yeah, I got it. I can hear Jimmy. That was awesome, just just that interaction the day appreciate that goodness. I don't even know where to go from here. Is there a chance we may see Bradley and I anywhere but the bench this upcoming season. Seems like he was in high regard when he was drafted, but he never got

any playing time. That was from Larry's shoemaker from which tall falls, Texas greatest place on God's Green Earth, Rob, you answered this question, so I'll let you start this off. Bradley and I now in a crowded room of edge rushers, where do you see him falling at? I don't know. It's gonna be tough. I mean I think if you just look at his measurables and we talked, I mean, we've talked more about arm length than the last two weeks with football players and I ever have in my life.

And that was like the big knock on him coming out like that in his forty time, or why he probably dropped to the fifth round, whether that's fair or not. So if you just look at his measurables, you think, well, maybe he's not a dan Quinn type of guy, but he's got a great motor, he's got good technique. He was very productive in college I'm surprised, guys, he didn't play last year. I don't really understand that, especially when things were going down the tubes in November, um and

even December. So, but he's got competition. They signed Terrell Basham to kind of replace Alvin Smith and then you draft Chauncey Golston. You know that's a dan Quinn type of pick. So, uh, you know he's not he's not with the current regime. The drafted him, and that's always tough. But I tried to make it seem like a night has these t rex arms or something. Man. I mean I was starting that. Yeah, are you serious? Yeah? John Owning, uh Dallas More News. He does great works. That's what

he wrote about him when he got drafted. He did right, little t rec I think I m him afterwards too. Well, that is that's hard. But I will say this, you know, as far as the competition in that room, I think you know, there are no dan Quinn guys it Can you make plays? Can you get to the ball. That's all he cares about. And look, I feel like as far as the measurables are concerned, all of these guys are gonna get a fair shot to plead their case for what they can do during season. A lot of

it's gonna come down also two special teams. How many of these guys can get those special teams? Rep? If you can't, then that's gonna keep you from making the fifty three and actually getting on the field. So look, I don't look, there's a there's so much to be made of the measurables and who's a dan Quinn guy

and who isn't I don't believe in that. The same thing with Francis Bernard in him being a shorter guy in the linebacker room, will he make an impact as well with the linebacker room being as crowded as it is. I think because his ability to get on the field and special teams, it makes him a viable option as well. That's fair, That's fair. Hi, Sam. There is a such thing as being a dan Quinn or any other coach guy.

I'll throw that out there, but it really in terms of dan Quinn and me understanding who he is as a coach and as a person. You could become his guy if you come in, give one hundred percent effort and do exactly what your coach to do. It's real simple. Can you be somebody that he depends on, and can't he be somebody? Can you be somebody that he depends on to go one hundred percent every time every time you touch the field. Whether that's one play or whether

that's a seventy plays a game, doesn't matter. He wants you to be dependable, and that's what he's looking for, high energy, dependable guys. But it's gonna be very difficult for Barely and I to make this team. I mean, it's just call it is. It is what it is. I think all the guys in that position that set for the high end guys, the d Laws and of this world, they're all gonna be rotational players. I think this deep, this defensive line is gonna be a carouse sale.

I think it's gonna be guys going in and out one play. You see a guy you know might be in for one play, might be in for two plays. I don't think there's gonna be too many guys they're out there for three plays, three straight downs, or you know, one series reason it comes back in another series to be the starter out there. So um, you know, to Heckman's point, special teams when you're a guy like him. What can you contribute on in that in that third of the game. So you guys got to think about it.

There's there's offense, there's defense, and there's special teams. But special teams you got kickoff, kickoff, return, punt, punt return, field goal, field goal, buck, that's what you have, right, So you have six different areas that you can affect the game versus just a one on defense. So when everybody, when we're talking about special teams, people out there need to understand there's a there's in a in a big way.

You can really earn your spot on his team. Don't forget about Dorm's armstrong too, and that yeah rotation because Jerry I was like a streak on the fan during the last season, like he would mention dorm So I'm strong every time and uh and to and to y'all's point, he's become kind of a favorite, I think at John Fossil on special teams. Yeah, so I think he's got a spot unless you know, something happens, but um, it's gonna be tough. Sorry, sorry to break it to you,

kay right now. And I think that's one of the reasons why Francis Bernard has a shot. It's still making the team even though he was undrafted last year and saw minimal playing time on defense. His impact on special team and he played a decent amount of special teams last year. One more thing on that though, because I'm with Isaiah, like I do think coaches have their guys right, and not to say that you can't become a dan Quinn guy, but I'm curious, like a like a Jordan Lewis.

You know, all we've been talking about is big, long, rangy corners. That's what dan Quinn wants. That's what Chris Rochard wanted when he was here. So is that how's that going to affect a Jordan Lewis Because he's a he's a competitive, edgy type player. That's what they need on defense and talk about culture, but he doesn't fit that mold. So like it's it's kind of the same thing. What's what's his role gonna be? I think he's gonna play, but but he doesn't fit the measurable side of it.

You know, you talked about the competitiveness, the edginess, and I think that's what this team to need. When you when Isaiah talks about dan Quinn and his responsibility of building culture. I think you have to build it with guys like that. That's why your draft class is comprised of guys that have that competitive edginess to them. And we know Jordan Lewis is that. So you sign a guy like him to, you know, renegotiate, he gets a new deal because of what he brings to the table.

I don't see him as a carryover sort of a guy on defense. I think, you know what he can give you from the slot, but I don't see I don't think Jordan Lewis sees himself as a slot corner. I think he sees himself as one of the top dogs, a guy that can play on the outside as well. So I mean that's that's why OTAs is so important, just to allow these guys to compete and give their case for where they're going to be in the fall. And going back to Bradley and I I'm looking at

some of his draft stuff. I mean, he had shorter arms than the defensive tackle class that the Cowboys brought in last year and this year, and he's an addresser, so I mean it's not necessarily t Rex arms, but thirty two in an eighth is what he was measured at at the combine last year, and I mean that's shorter than every defensive lineman pretty much on the roster right now. I mean as as a guy that has

looked at maybe we'll go for it. Isaiah I was gonna say, I mean, I know a lot's made up the arm length, and that's always great to have if you have it. But at the end of the day, deepensive ends you're looking for explosiveness. You're either looking for extreme size in power or you're just looking for explosiveness, right, So if you if you lack both, that's when you're

in a kind of a pickle. Right. So we obviously know that Bradley and I is not the largest man in the world, I mean in terms for his position. So that's that's against him right now. You have to look at the explosiveness. Well, we've seen him on film get off the ball, but when we classify him as explosive, So those are the things that he needed to work on over this past season and hopefully this offseason they

put him in a better position to compete. Because if you don't have the side and you're just you're just a guy. And I mean and he can't be in in in that category. He can't be and he maybe will be one of those super benefited players from having a full off season. Finally, because last year, you think about the rookie class didn't have that offseason. We can kind of harp on that as much as we want. At some point it becomes a little bit of an excuse.

But for a guy like Bradley and I who needed the reps, who needed to show exactly what he had because of his explosiveness and the lack of measurables, He's a guy I think could benefit from things like OTAs and and things like that this upcoming season. If he's not gonna make the roster, I think it'll be one of those final cuts. He's gonna play through the whole preseason. He'll be there for quite some time. I think there's

a chance he does. But man, bringing in guys like Chauncey Golston and Toorell Basham and of course Door, it's Armstrong already being there, Randy Gregory and his emergence, it's gonna make things really tough. I mean, that was already what I just named. Five guys outside of Bradley and I and then yeah, I mean you've got You've got six guys there as edge rushers, and usually you only what carry six or seven. So he's on that borderline of making a team. Want him to make the team

because I want to see what he's got. But that's something else to look for here this offseason. So we also didn't get to hit on this last week because we were so wrapped up in no rookie mining camp in the excitement finally seeing a little bit of football. But the NFL schedule is released, and for those who listen to our show exclusively, we haven't actually got to talk about the schedule. We didn't a whole lot. We

have the official dates now of the preseason games. It starts off with Pittsburgh in Canton, Ohio, a makeup, as I should say, of the Hall of Fame game that was August fifth. It was scheduled for August sixth of twenty twenty, but now we will play it on August fifth this year. That's gonna be a fun one. Heck, Steelers Cowboys to kick off the twenty twenty one season, hopefully in front of stand fans in the stands up

in Canton, man if it's anything like the NBA. The NBA is rocking right now with fans in the stands, So I can't wait. I was watching yesterday the Nicks in the guard Gee yeah, man, I mean they were rocking in You see the difference that having fans in the stands mate for the overall vibe and output in a basketball game. So I'm excited to see stands back in the in the fans in the stands again. But you know, this team is actually getting ready. These guys

are getting ready for a season, right. I mean, what you do with the Bradley and Knives and guys like that, what are you doing against TV twelve on Thursday night? That's that's what you gotta get ready for. And so much of this is going to surround finding your playmakers, getting your guys Tampa Bay, the Chargers, the Eagles, the Panthers, the Giants. I mean, this is what you're building your

team for, and it starts right now. So whether guys like Bradley or n I are finally make the fifty three and contribute, it's going to be because they are making plays in the preseason, and there's there is a look at our top five games if you're watching this podcast, but we'll run it down Tampa Bay Thursday Night Football

to kick off the season week two. I think that's a sneaky, sneaky game, and we're gonna have a lot of conversations about that Chargers game week two because because of Week one being as volatile as it is on Thursday Night Football against the defending champions, I think that Week two game against the Chargers is going to be a pivot point coming up here in the next couple of months of talk. How do you feel about that first game when you saw it? What did you say?

I know what Isaiah said, but what did you guys say when you saw that? The first thing I said was, oh, oh, ratings are They're not a problem with the Cowboys after all. You remember that whole thing, and in December like, oh they got flex. Nobody wants to watch the Cowboys anymore. Please please give me Dak Prescott back on the field, and they want to watch them. Um. Yeah, But do I feel great about that? The first team in what the salary cap era to return all twenty two starters

on a Super Bowl team. That's that's not great, Bob. I don't I don't love that. I don't love that, but but you know, I thought Mickey made a good point. It's like, if you're Mike McCarthy, you do love it because you're pointing towards the champs Week one, prime time. Gotta be ready, guys. So I think in that regard it's good. But that I'm with you on the week too, being sneaky because by all means they can, they can

beat Tampa Bay. But if you were to drop that game and you're staring O and two in the face going cross country the other way again, I just go back to twenty eleven when the Cowboys were oh and one going to San Francisco, and they knew what it means if you dropped Oen two. That's why Romo played with a punctured lung, It's why Witten's ribs were busted up, and they found a way to win that game. So that's there's a lot of weird stuff on this schedule. Yeah, yeah,

it definitely is. And if if you lose Week one, you're expected to lose Week one, right, you're playing up against the defending from a national standpoint, let's not I'm not I don't put on a helmet, so I can say whatever I want. I don't put on a star. I don't put on a helmet, and thank goodness, so I'm a national standpoint. You're expected to lose week one. Week two, you're expected to turn around and win that game.

But that's not necessarily an easy win by any means with Justin Herbert, with an upstarting Chargers team Week two, like Rob said, on the road on the West Coast, that's a different type of game Week two. And if you drop the O and two, my goodness, I think you're in a little bit of trouble, even though you do return home for three games right after that. And I will stand on that because the Cowboys could win that game. Sure they could win Week one. That would

be outstanding. We would party in here if the Cowboys come out with a Week one win. Isaiah stand back, say something, stacks Mouth. I'm trying to look at me. The Cowboys will lose Week one. I'm predicting it right now. It's going to happen. It's the defending chap. I'm not going out on a limb here. It's fine. I am

not gonna make fast statement right now. But what I will make the statement I will make is the reason why the Week one matchup is good for the Cowboys is the same reason good boys, and that's the amount of time that you have to prepare for your opponent. You have the most time to prepare for your Week one opponent. That's just facts. Even when you take in the bye weeks, right, you have three four weeks to prepare for your first for your first game, and your

coaches even started prepared before that. So but for that reason, you know, those guys would be prepared for that, for that for that defense. They know they have all the last year's film to look at because all those guys are coming back. But for those same reasons, TV twelve has that same amount of time to prepare for your guys for your defense. You know, fans out there and you know, obviously Quinn Quinn has some film that they

can go back and watch. But the personnel and how he plans on utilizing it, you know, gives the Cowboys a little bit of an edge, gives him a little bit of an advantage over TV twelve because for the first half they're gonna be trying to figure us out versus we're gonna already know what they're doing right for the most part. They always have their tweaks, but for the most part, they're going to settle into who they

are versus versus the Cowboys. They don't know what the heck we're bringing, at least in all three fasces of the game. So I'll say that week two matchup dangerous, Week three matchup dangerous. Uh, that first three weeks is strong. Yeah, I'm just gonna put it out there, that first three weeks is strong. And I know people people are gonna say, oh,

Philadelphia is easy. Rivalry games aren't easy. Rivalry games. Rivalry games against you know, Jalen a confident Jalen hurts, and and everybody else that there that they're adding over there is dangerous. So these first yeah, in prime time. So this, this first three weeks is a it's a doozy. Look. I gotta say this. You know, when when the schedule dropped in Cowboy fans automatically conceded the first game. It absolutely makes me sick. No, it does. It makes me sick,

and the reason makes you sick. No, that's that's my boy. I love them to death. If people think we don't like each other, but I actually of him. But I think that, Yeah, here's the thing. So here's here's what I feel for Cowboy fans that are just dropping the first game to Tampa Bay. Look, the the number one basketball team in the nation is in New York and they are called the Hollom Globe Trotters, right, the Hollom

Globe Trotters. Everywhere they go, they win their games, right, But they bring a team to play against with them, and it's called the Washington Generals. And right now what you're calling the Dallas Cowboys is the Washington Generals. That we're just gonna go out there and wash them, raise the banner and lose into me. That's Nutlesten Gutlass whoa, hey, yeah, just like that speech. Hey, I'm with you. I honestly think I think the Cowboys are healthy Cowboys. Let me

let me, let me let me leave healthy Cowboys. Team matches are against Tampa Bay. They j had it right. J G had it right? Is it is? It is? I mean they've got I mean we're talking about when you talk about teams, Yeah, you have a when you have a healthy Dallas Cowboys, which we should be week one, hopefully barring injuries in the preseason or camp. A healthy Dallas Cowboys team matches up very well against Tampa, especially under these circumstances in terms of them not knowing what

we're gonna do. Now, it's all depending on what Dan Quinn shows in the preseason and all that jazz. He's a he's a he's a veteran coach, so he knows what not to show. But how they plan to utilize their guys Tampa basics gonna have to try to figure it out. Figure that out for the first half of the game, right, So it's gonna be how who can withstand the ups and downs, the ebbs and flows of the game the longest, and obviously we know TV twelve

is capable, but it's it's a lot. It's gonna be emotional. It's gonna be emotional game, especially with DA coming back, Tampa Bay raising a banner, is gonna be a lot. Who is the most stout team when it comes to emotions and being able to play through the ebbs and flows.

I do like the point that Rob made and Isaiah added on to it as well, But talking about how Mike McCarthy through this entire offseason and Mike Keck might even said a little bit earlier, you're not playing for Pittsburgh, Arizona, Houston, Jacksonville. You're playing for Tampa Bay. And every time you step out on that practice field, Mike McCarthy's gonna remind them that, hey, the champs are waiting for you, the defending champs who

have the target on their back. The Cowboys are usually the team franchise wide that has had their target on their back, but now they get to be the hunter. And I like that a lot, and I think that's a great mindset to have this team ready to roll going into week one, rather than trying to find a rhythm in week six, seven, or eight in the middle of what is a tough stretch of schedule into the season. Real quick, just I mentioned some weird stuff on the schedule.

It's the first time since twenty twelve they start a season with two straight road games, only the third time since twenty twelve they'll start and finish the season on the road. Which and then you go into December January, it's four of six away from AT and T Stadium. You got three straight road games in there. You also have three straight home games. It's just there's a lot of weird stuff on paper that you're like, man, this

is this is kind of challenging. But it just comes down to like, if they're better this year and they're healthy, they're better on defense, they're just a better football team. None of that stuff matters because you you know, you we talk Tampa Bay. Any of these games, they're good enough to compete with anybody healthy. I believe that on paper. That's I agree with you. The most. The most cifling thing that I see on this schedule is where our

buy weeks, where where our away games are at. Yeah, that is the thing that really stands out the most of me. It's not just the opponents that we're facing. It's where you're facing these opponents at. You have to play at Tampa, you have to play in in La, you gotta play in New England, you gotta play in Minnesota, in Kansas City. These are not easy plays. And then freaking throw freaking Saint the Saints on their God Lee.

I mean, these are the most when you think about the most the most difficult places to play in the NFL, these are the teams that you talk about, These are the cities that you talk about. So these guys in the accapolic gut. They got to figure it out now. Obviously, obviously we have a long way to go, but just atmosphere, in environment alone, those are some of the most difficult places to play in the NFL. Yeah, it's a big part of the conversation, and I think we'll have plenty

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Who is remote today? Sir? Yeah, my goodness, I'm Kyle Yeoman's in OTAs start today, Rob, What are the week What do the weeks ahead look like for the Cowboys Because they're on the field today, it would be inside inside the Ford Center, but I mean a lot of practice, a lot of lead in here in the next couple of weeks. Yeah, So they've got six OTAs scheduled over the next three weeks, including what three this week or

maybe is it too? That's two this week too, this week too, next week to the week after, followed by the mandatory mini camp with everybody June eighth through the tenth. And you know, coaches can have up to ten OTAs

on their schedule. They've only got six, and I think they still have the option to add more, but I think it probably comes down to the fact of it's a longer camp coming up, longer preseason, and this is a way hopefully they get all their work in Isaiah and then give them a nice break till We don't know the exact dates for training camp, but usually if it's if you subtract two weeks from that August fifth opener in Canton, they're going to camp pretty early. So

that's why they've only got six. A little different by Mike McCarthy either. So Isaiah, just from a player's standpoint, how much of a difference would that make taking four practices out of the equation. I mean, it may not end up being four full practices. It could end up being just three or two that they don't end up using because, like Rob said, they can still add on some more OTAs. But how much of a difference does that make, especially when the preseason is on the horizon.

It's huge. It's huge, at least from the player's standpoint. Can you start talking about adding that Hall of Fame preseason game in there that adds onto your schedule. Imagine if you're on the roster. Maybe imagine if you're like one of the on the edge guys right called, you know, like somebody like myself some of the years I was playing on the edge guy, and all of a sudden, they throw an extra game on your on your preseason schedule.

So now you're playing not only your seventeen regular season games, but you're playing all those preseason games. Oh and then you factor in another five weeks of camp or whatever it is. It's a lot, man. Any opportunity to coaches have to minimize your ability to get injured. I think it's a smart move on in behalf of the coaches. They obviously have to get their work in, they have to get their installed in, they need to get their continuity.

All these things need to take place. However, whenever you can ease the players minds in terms of their physical well being and their mental well being, I think it's a plus for not only the individual, but also the team. Yeah, you started to see the mentality change with head coaches and organizations just not grinding their guys in the off season. I think you talked about how offseason OTAs used to be much different. You and Isaiah were having a conversation

about that. These used to be full paths and guys going at it and rookie camp too, and you practices in the heat for rookie camp and guys thrown up and stuff. Yeah. Animal, So I mean, so, like Isaiah says, that's some guy that's gonna play all twenty two of these games preseason and regular season and god hoping you know, playoff run as well. But you know, that's a lot of football games to be played. And I know that we're all football teams were getting into the analytics of it,

to keep guys healthy. And I just think that's just another part of it from this organization, just to say, look, I know we can have ten, let's pull back and just have six. What are some of the goals rob of this team throughout OTAs to try and find footing into what will be a longer training camp besides health and you guys just hit on that. You just don't want to get anybody hurt. Shaun Lee Tearings ACL in twenty fourteen and was the first mini camp or OTA.

Just stay healthy. That's why you're gonna see guys coming off of major injuries probably be scaled back. I mean, I'm interested to see how much Dak does um and other guys too, Blake Jarwin the tackles, Lyle and Tying,

guys like that. But aside from just you know, making sure guys stay healthy and ready for training camp, just the installation part of it, you know, just having you know, getting a lot of the install done so by the time you get a training camp, it's basically in and you're just fine tuning things and and there are some competitive parts of the of the OTAs, but that's not as important as when you get to camp and the pads come on. Isaiah, No, I mean I think Rogers

hit on it. I mean it's more so than anything OTAs and coaches. The first of all, the coaches. Coaches are coaches, right. They want to coach. They want to be on the field. They don't want to be in a classroom. They want to see their guys, right. They's imagine you have all these I think we've talked about

in the past. You have all this, all these toys that you got for Christmas, and all of a sudden, you just want to you just want to put them on the table and start playing around with them, right, And that's what these coaches want to do. They want to put their guys together that you know, you know coach Quinn all to talk about him. Trust me, he's one of the most energetic guys on his whole in

his whole entire organization aside from Fossil, Right. He wants to get out there and run around with his guys. He wants to put his guys in position for them to be successful. Okay, this is what our idea as a whole defense thinks about where you can play. But hey, what if I take you and I put you out here, or I'll put you down here on the line of scrimmage.

Rather what does that look like? Right? And Hey, they just want to go out here and just mess around with different schemes so that when they get to camp, it's no longer experimentation, right, They're simply just plugging and playing where they know that you can handle. And everything that Isaiah said is are things that you couldn't do in a virtual setting, right, You could do that in a virtual setting, and so as an evaluator you want

to be hands on. And so having this opportunity to have an ota, to be able to plug and play and put guys in different sets in your scheme to see how they operate is definitely what Quinn wants to do. I'm sure what Kellen Moore wants to do, knowing that he'll have a full season with CD and DAK and also with Jarwin who went down the first the first

game of the season. But you're right, the health is it's all about that, and if they can have learned anything from implementation from the virtual part, I think that would make it easier for them to send guys home with certain things get homework out so you can see, you know, how much of these guys are actually retaining

what they're learning in a classroom setting. And so you know, this is just a new this a new NFL man where things are virtual and teams are having to just kind of dance around the idea of not having to put your hands on guys even you know, look, COVID still is here, so with it. You know, I think those are some of the precautions that they're having to way through. Gosh, that makes me so excited thinking about the different combinations that these coaches will get to work

around with. Yeah, that they didn't last year. That, I mean, that just gets me. That makes me so much happier to have these things in person as opposed to being virtual. And plus, I mean, we've already seen like you you said about playing the toys, or I guess Isaiah said about playing with your toys and want of kind makes a match and put it all together. We saw the opening of the first President that was rookie mini camp, and that was seeing the rookies out on the field

and hey, where could this guy go? Where is Michael Parson's going to play in this defense? Where is oh, Diggi Zoola going to play on the defensive line. There's so many different ways that you could play around with it, and then guess what you get to adam in with the veterans. Yeah, and that's something that they didn't get to do last year, which I think is going to benefit dan Quinn. It's going to benefit this entire defense and especially on the offensive side of the football, just

getting those guys back. So that brings me back to this question. Rob. You mentioned the offensive tackles and how intrigued you are to see what their workload's gonna be like, do you have any kind of expectation as to what kind of work they'll see. I just know from history and the way they have plans for guys who had season ending injuries the year before. Isaiah knows this well. I mean they the staff points to training camp. I mean,

they're just I'm very curious, you know. I know. Mike McCarthy was asked specifically about Dak recently and he said, you know, he'll do most things. What is most things? I mean, is he going to take a bunch of team raps or is he just kind of kind of continue his rehab plan and maybe do some individual stuff and get out there a little bit and get ready for oxen art. If we're going to dox and artificially and worry about that, that's kind of what I would

anticipate for guys that we just talked about. Is not a full go type thing. Let's wait till we get to late July. Whatever it is. Yeah, No, I don't want any mishaps of boo boos with that ankle. So you know, sit over there on the on the golf cart if you can, you know, and you know they won't do that. But still, I mean for all of these guys, it's just pivotal, and especially at Tyrn Smith, I mean limiting him with the neck and making sure that he gets back lay l with the hip. That's important.

I mean, we saw how those guys being down, how it affects us. But as far as my expectation for the guys in OTAs, I just want to see this linebacker group. I want to see how these guys operate together. Obviously we won't see anything. Maybe we'll see something with

scheme and how they're used. Who's gonna be the mike and who's going to be at the will because I think it's very ironic how this whole thing with Michael Parsons has been flipped to be a Micah versus Jalen instead of Micah and Jalen, you know, how they both can be used together in concert to make this defense better jal Or Jerry mentioned he said compatible, compatible with the rookie camp when he was asked that very question. So in Jerry's mind, they could be playing together because

Parsons Swiss Army Knights kind of thing. You know, Yeah, we'll see, we'll see, is zah. Yeah, I think you guys already hit on it, you know, in terms of

the guys getting through this thing healthy. In terms of expectations of guys that are coming off of season ending injuries, I don't foresee them doing many team drills, And so when you hear them kind of be broad in their statements, are referring to others do most things well most things, and OTA's happen to be, you know, on with just your offensive team, just special teams doing you know, doing

the coverage drills, or defense doing things by themselves. Very very very seldom do you come together, I mean go against each other competitively. And when they do those things. You will not see that in there. When they do those things, what they're getting hands on and getting a little bit down and dirty, you will not see Lyle. You will not see any of those guys out there. So trust to believe that these this training staff is gonna do everything possible to get these guys at training camp.

It's inevitable whenever injuries do occur. You can't prevent everything, but you control what you can control. In terms of what I'm excited to see, I'm excited to see, you know, I'm excited to see these young guys come in and get plugged in. You know what's Dan Quinn gonna do? How was you know, Kelly more gonna facilitate this offense with all his resources that he has at his hands now his disposal, And what is coach Fossil gonna do?

You know where these guys gonna get in and fit in that on the specialties because that's such an important portion of this game. So many people throw it to the wayside. But you have two high energy coaches now and Fossil and Quinn that are gonna feed off each other. How's it all gonna piece up together? So I'm excited man. Health is the number one priority, versatility from the coaching staffs to kind of put put your players in the

right position to be successful. That's kind of the theme going into OTAs, which do begin today at the Star in Frisco. But that's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys. So glad you've been with us here over the last hour. Hope you learned something. Hope you had a little bit of fun with us along the way. For Isaiah Stanback, who is living his best life right now. For Scott Purcell, Chris Beam in the back, for Rob Phillips, ECKM. Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll see you next

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