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in studio as well. We got Cobby in studio. Also, Everson Walls joins us, how you doing? Ever said you're doing good? Man. I was on a tour self got of tour and I found myself in here. Man, I'll see you guys. I decided, you know, I was going through people's draws and stuff. You know, what a great week to have Everson Walls in here because he played for Bill Belichick once upon a time. It's good timing't I didn't think about that? Yes, yes, yeah, he's a

different Belichick now. Oh yeah, yeah he's not the same. Different. He's like power hungry, scary. He wasn't that scary back in back in New York. I mean he when you got there, he just got started, right. He was part of the eighty six Super Bowl. Yeah, okay, so he was that. I'm pretty sure he was a coordinator, yes, for that team, young coordinator. Yeah, and you know back then, you know, he didn't have a great hair. You know, he just looked a little younger, like you know what.

He even interviews too. I remember going there in eighty five or eighty six to do a story on the Giants. I was in the locker room. He came walking by and it's like, Bill, can I ask you a couple of questions? And kind of looked at Parcels. And that's the most amazing part of it. Parcels let him do and he actually answered a couple of questions that really well, he couldn't wait, and I was naive. I didn't know, you know that, No, that he didn't talk or Parcels

didn't let guys talk, you know. So, Yeah, he's had a crazy path. Jerry talked about him on the radio this morning on the fan of this pretty funny story. Found him in a ski lodge that ran into him. He was he just got off the slopes and he at the time he was looking for a job because he got let go by Cleveland, and he said, Jerry can keep me in mind. Only let go, I mean, but he was the head coach there at Cleveland. Let go,

and it's worked out well for you. Well, when you say let go, I mean the whole team like that, you say let go, I mean you know, at least he didn't disintegrate with the Browns. Jerry said he was in line to rent skis for his grandkids and he goes, guy behind me, it's got all his stuff on, and he goes, hey, I'm Bill Belichicks. You don't you know what job he found shortly thereafter that, you know, with

the New England Patriots. Patriots. Yeah, with the Patriots in fact, not just back with the Patriots, he was That was his first time with the Page ninety six. He became the assistant head coach and defensive backs coach, and then the next year the Jets for three years, and then head coach starting in two thousand. Yeah, that's that's when he and plus Sells had their little because he was supposed to take over for pers Sales vouched for him. Yes, you know, like I'm the gem. Yeah, I got this in.

I got this, guys, don't worry about it. I got this in my back pocket. And Belichick's like, na, I don't think else. I think he was worried about the sale of the team. He wasn't really good. It wasn't really He had gone through this whole team disintegration thing with the Browns. If I'm not mistaken, his kids were being threatened in he had they had to have you know, arm security guards. Wow. Yeah, picking the kids up from school, taking the school pick them up from school. He didn't

want to go to that crap again. Yeah, Brown's fans a crazy man, historically crazy Youngstown, Ohio, and you know talking to Yeah, you know we're talking about gangsters and not not just the crazy ones that are dressed up like dogs and the dog. So, how was Belichick today? He went on for twenty minutes. You know, for a guy that's known is not very effusive. He talked a lot. But everybody he did conference call today, he did look at local media here eight in the morning, didn't you were?

I was up, but I wasn't found that conference off. We should be getting the transcript of it. But everybody's a problem on this Cowboys offense and defense. Dack's a problem, the running backs, the tight ends, the defense. He was very complimentary of every phase of this Cowboys team, as you would expect him to be. And if you go back and listen to less weeks or read last week's transcript when they played the Eagles, everyone of the Eagles

was a problem. The Jets before that, yeahs everyone's a problem, and the Ravens and Lamar Jackson you turned out to be a problem. Only one team has been a real problem for him and that was a couple of weeks ago, and that was the raven to put up thirty seven points on this number one defense in the league. Yes they did, and they ran on them too, but that's really how they did it. The quarterback, I think it's really that was like the first game who I've seen

Belichick it out coach, he wasn't. It's like he wasn't expecting that. That's because he was saving it for what the postseason. He does that. He does that, yeah, but but you know he didn't save it for the Jets. But I didn't he save it for the Jets. I mean, he could have easily let them kind of and stay close. But I guess the Cowboys made them nervous. So what was like playing for him? Oh? It was? It was?

It was How can I say it? It was eye opening only because I've been around smart coaches before, amazing coaches. You know, everybody knows my coaching resume, coach vibe. Then Tom land you want the smartest coaches in the history of the NFL. He comes up with, You're on defense, you know, to stop a particular player, and it resonated for decades. And now you've got Belichick, who is the most How can I put it? Tom Landry did everything himself. You know, he just hey, I'll study this. I'll just

give you the information. Okay, trust me, this is good. These kind of things that Tom did because he's just you know, Michael managed. Belichick was different, even though he does Michael manage in his own way. He would designate different players for certain tasks. So you know, you're gonna take a look at the quarterback every time he comes up and before a play action pass, Let's see what his mannerisms are. So there's a tell he's looking for.

Tells you lick your fingers. I don't care what it is, you know, maybe not lick your fingers. You know, he's gonna hand it off. We found it about Buffalo, you know the only time it was very key for us and keep playing the game. Just simple things. We found out in the Super Bowl that the only time Jim Kelly went on the center is when he's gonna hand the ball off. They never did play action. Never unless

he's in the shotgun, he's gonna throw it. Maybe handed off, but when he's under center, run and we had we had a third and one and we stopped him and he would have signed players, Oh yes to that. But I bring him the apple every day now. It was mine. Was the mannerism, the tills of the quarterback just depended on the game itself. I was always a wide receivers in split sky, you know splits. To me, that was

always my best friend. Depending on where you lined up as a wide receiver, specially if you're the outside receiver, it's gonna tell me something. I'm gonna get a key off of that. So mine, where I was really good at was alignments of the wide receivers and then that would tell what route, you know, what routes we can look for so that's you know, just little things like that to where Okay, I didn't do this for you,

you did it, so now you know it. Now you know it, now you know it, and now we're like, you know, we're all coaches. So when he's not on the field, we got this in the huddle because I got called Banks, mister, mister smart ass, my buddy, my buddy. Um. You know, you had guys like Pepper Johnson. The linebackers were very key. They were the guys that really they were the heart of our team that get Lawrence any

of those responsibilities. Yeah, it was good. Was good. You know, he's very instinctive as a player, and when it's all said and done, he's kind of like Randy White, like, oh, to hell with it. Just you know, I just got to do it myself. You know. They were like that, you know, when you're getting some serious situations, but you know when things are going well, no they are. You know, he was on track. Uh. He and Banks and the

linebackers were always in sync. So sometimes in the back I don't have anything to do as a safety, I had nothing to do. They called me in one time and say, hey, you're not doing anything. I said, I got nothing to do. I'm back here with shutting down Marino. We shut them out. Barry Sanders was afraid. I've never seen Barry Sanders look scared. He didn't want to play against us. So these you know, when you're up there seeing all of that, you do kind of get lazy

back then I got a little lazier. So you were playing safety then well it was on third down, okay, so that was appropriate. All you had to do is me, yeah, make safe, look look for a fumble to pop out. You know sometimes helputs were popping and he was a head coach, then yes, the same thing, No doubt. You think he's still doing it. Of course he is, Yeah, of course he is. Yeah, that's why that team is

always in sync. When you look at the defense, is as good as this one, you know, as bad as good as the one in ninety You're looking at a team that you know, no one's out of place. Now you might make a play on me one on one doing a matchup, but no one's out of place. No

one's no missed assignments. You know. One of the traits that you can tell that Bill Belichick looks for in a player because he studies the draft like nobody nobody's business, and he remembers those players from four or five years ago, and he'll pick eventually pick them up. When Kyle van Noy is let go by the Lions for some reason, here's a second round draft pick, let go, he snaps him up and he's a primary player on the defense. And one of the big reasons is because he's got

it upstairs. He's smart. Everything Walls is like that. It's the whole Doyer job thing. Was that his thing back then too? Yeah, I mean that the level of tolerance these days some coaches is amazing to me. I've seen dbs just wilf on the on the play, you know, big running backs coming, they make that business decision. We wan't allowed to make those business decisions back in the nineties and eighties. It you won't allowed either you throw your body in there or you're coming off the field.

You know how Tom was. They didn't play that crap. Yeah, you're not gonna get you know, you get beat. That's one thing. But if you just if you're if you showed that you're hesitant, you know that you're not willing to go all in. Yeah, it showed on the on the on the film, and then they run it back for everybody to see, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. That's kind of embarrassing. So they would

shame you if into making plays. They know, they just don't do that these days, like the play on Jarwin's touchdown against the Giants a couple of weeks ago, when Generis Jenkins gave him the old lady about no part of me. And you're talking about a guy, Jenkins, I mean, this is a this is a good player. Yeah. You you're supposed to You're supposed to handle yourself better than that. Show me. You got to show the younger players on the team that you know, I'm all in. I don't

care what the score is. And these are the times when coaches like Belichick and Tom Langie would judge you. I'm judging you now when we're beat We're getting beat thirty five to thirteen. How are you playing now? And they would that that's when you better show me that you are ashamed of where we are right now and that at least you have the pride to do something

about it. You better showed me that on film. And they are looking back in the day they would look for that's it wasn't those nice moments they have these days. We were adversaries, Matt management and players. Yeah, we were adversaries. We were not friends. We were not friends. You didn't go out to dinner with none of that. And somebody, if they invite you off in to dinner, then you better take a lookout with you because they're gonna stabbing

the back. Oh that's funny. So you played for Belichick with the Giants, and then when he became the head coach of the Browns, he snapped you up. Yeah he did. Uh I was. I was. Actually it was like two lovers meeting in the in the in the in the night or something, because I was. I was like, get me out in New York. You got your Super Bowl and gotten ugly, and that gotten ugly, plus sales had gotten as angel PLASTI. He left, Belichick left and here

comes lay Handley. George Young said he had everything under control, and there was the worst. Al grow was our defensive coordinator. It just then they brought in. Uh, they came in with this old coach from New England. Oh he was so old. He was so old, and he came up with We confused him on cover too, that's what we run. How do you get confused on something that that's our staple. It was just horrible. It wasn't not a good sign. It was horrible. So I don't know why this name came.

It wasn't Earnhardt, was it. No, that was I believe that was the offensive quar Yeah, he was offensive. Yeah, Handley had to make one decision who was going to be the quarterback? And he can sims right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was It was almost like going back to the quarterback controversy. It was Dallas. Yeah, they had the same feel. You know, we were just floundering. We were just we were like fish out of water. So

do you think that to this day? He because it seems like a lot of his defensive coordinators get hired like Matt Patricia, it's hired in Detroit. Did he allow them to be the defensive coordinator? Was he the defensive coordinator? And he told them what to do? Well? With he and Nick Saban, Yeah, they were both together still still very young guys, very young coaches, and and he and Nick they were together. They were a great tandem. So they thought the like and as you can tell what

went down the college level. He would have gone from there to Michigan State and then Miami and then right I actually uh, and then the Dolphins. Yeah. I had to call him after after he won the championship with the Dolphins, and I had to apologize because, you know, when they let me go in Cleveland, I was a little upset. And then I'm going home on the plane just so happened. He's on the plane with his family. Oh no, and yeah, and you know, so I'm still you know, my my lip is down on the ground.

It was dragging on the ground. And here comes up this this short dude. He comes up with a big smile on his face. I'm like, I recognize this guy, but it doesn't look like Nick Saban because he's smiling. I've never seen him smile. You had his vacation time, he was offseason, he was a different guy. He said, Man, my family's in the back. Why don't you come meet my family? And you know, I was like, I was kind of still mad. I wanted to be mad at him. It wasn't his fault, but you know, I was still

feeling that that release. You know, I still felt the blade from getting cut and and you know, I wasn't as as cordial as I should have been. And I remember after he won the championship by calling back and congratulating and also apologize, you know, for that last meeting because he was genuinely happy to see me. And I'm I'm almost I'm you know, it's not me. I'm I'm I almost brushed him off, But yeah, I had to call back in the polgast So that would have been

his first championship. That was his first, that's correct. Yeah, and he's only one five percent? Then now how many in the one? Yeah? And then went to the Dolphins and then at Alabama. It's been nine, eleven, twelve, fifteen, and seventeen, but it doesn't look like they're going to do it this year. Well, Everson Walls is our special guest here on Talking Cowboys, and we will continue in a moment and get his impressions of this current Cowboys team.

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And whose laugh? Everson Walls is with us here. Today's we get you set for Cowboys and Patriots on Sunday. And let's address Brian's situation. As you know on Twitter, Brian brought us. Tweeted out yesterday that as of yesterday, he is no longer an employee of the Cowboys. He wants to thank the Jones family for an incredible opportunity. They put me on the world stage, and I'll always be grateful. I'm looking forward with anticipation to my next

challenge here very soon. I'll say I thoroughly enjoyed working with Brian, and in fact, when he first made the transition into broadcasting, I helped him a little bit. We did some draft preview stuff. I can't remember how many years ago it's been now, it's not that long ago. But as Derek Eagleton pointed out in his tweet later in the day, he's the type of person that anything you ask him to do, he'll do it for you, and I wish him well. I have not had an

opportunity to talk with Brian. I decided, like many others, just as this was going on, that you know, if he wants to reach out to me, great, but but I just it seemed like a private thing, and so I haven't talked to him. But I want to publicly say not much of pleasure it's been for me to work with him. We actually had we actually had two tours of duty because he was a scout when I first started working on the Cowboys website and then came

back and worked with us. Yeah. Yeah, pretty good trip. Yeah. I just want to thank him for everything he's done for me. I feel like I learned something every time we were in studio with him. And you know, I know a lot of fans and listeners have been asking us about him the last couple of weeks, and we just we really wanted him to have the opportunity to express that, and he did so yesterday. So yeah, absolutely wish him well going forward. No, I enjoy working with him.

I like his angle. It comes from the management angle. Sometimes as a player, you know, all you think about is how the effects the players. I like his aspects and where it comes from, and very informative. Every show he tells me something that I had no idea. I didn't I didn't think of even coming from that angle. That's that's the way he was and you were doing the pregame show. Oh yeah, that's right. He took over. He took Big Boys. I'm like, man, this guy's intimidating.

Man listening to him, he must know what he's talking about. Well, that's that's the key. The way I look at it. I speak with authority on whatever I talk about, whether I know what I'm talking about or not. If you say it with authority talking about scaring everybody else away, that's exactly right, all right? Um? I want to get ever since impressions on what he's seeing with this Cowboys team right now and specifically this Dallas defense. What are

you seeing right now from this man? That defense? Oh? My goodness, that's so inconsistent. It just just how did jeans tall us say? Jeans? It chaps my ass. Inconsistent they are. And you know, for a team that I was hoping for, a unit that I was hoping, would you know they would be the ignited of every game? You know, we can't wait on them every game too. Okay, now we're fired up. It reminds me of the eighty

one team. I'm sorry, what am I going? It reminds me of the twenty sixteen team that when DA and when that Dak and six rookie year. This is the team where offensively we were clicking I mean every week, and defensively they played off of the offense. And that's what they're doing now. I do not like that. I think you know, you've seen other teams that are good, that are consistent, and those teams are are good and

consistent and at the top of their division. Defensively, they are playmakers, Okay, they don't make they don't miss tackles in open space, fundamental things that they're looking for the ball. They're looking for opportunities for turnovers. And I'm always you know, the thing about the interceptions, but any type of turnover, strip, sacks, fumbles, when it's on the ground, be ready to jump on it.

Expect for plays to happen, for the new edition of Christian Shaw to come in and to bring that culture, and for him to say that, hey, the plan is good. You know, the plan is good. I've got to set up for an interception for every pass play, but then we don't have any, so the plan is good. Hey, what you're talking about. All we gotta do is look across the field at the new England Patriots. Someday team that takes the football away on defense by far number

one takeaways just over halfway through. Yeah, and when you look at something like that as a coach, as a player, you know, you have the talent. It's not like I'm on the Cowboys eighty seventeam where we were, you know, dwindling in talent aged age. We're going up in age and things of that nature. And okay, you you're asking teams to summon something that they don't have anymore. This team has it. They are young. Okay, they are talented, and so it's just not being uh focused in harnessed

in the right direction. I've said it many times. Turnovers are contagious. If one person gets a few of them, then that next person next to him or it plays his position or plays on the on the linebacker position. He's gonna say, I need some I've known that since high school. I got a few interception in high school. Next thing, I know, this guy wants in inception. I got some interceptions in college. I watched this guy get picks. I was like, I gotta do that. That's how I

keep my scholarship. That's how i'm I'm How can I say that's how I'm I'm invaluable to the team. What is my value to the team. I want to increase my value to that team. You know. That was Jerry's tech this morning. On his radio segment talking about the defense and pointing out that when it came to yards per game, they were seventh in the league, or our seventh in the league. But he said, the thing that's separating us from being that next step defense is takeaways.

And if you look at what they've done, and these last two games I think are somewhat troubling because they've given up twenty seven and twenty eight points in back to back games, and twenty seven to a backup quarterback, right, so that averages out to twenty seven and a half

points over those two. Over the first eight games, they were only given up seventeen points seven points a game and really only had the one bad game and that was the Packers, and the takeaways really helped out the Packers score that many points, so they had been okay, still didn't have enough takeaways. But these last two games somewhat troubling. And the troubling thing that I think has

been consistent is allowing quarterbacks to run the football. If I remember correctly, the Lions had one hundred and twenty one yards rushing and fifty one of those was the quarterback. So you can deal with seventy yards rushing, but you can't let the quarterback get away when you knew going into the game that the quarterback was athletic and we got to make sure we keep He was their leading rush of the week before Chicago. Yeah, with the four

four speed Jeff Driscoll. Yeah, and Everson mentioned the tackling on a second. The quarterback's not gonna run this week, Okay, where he's not going to stop that quarterback from running this week. He's a lot the priority, awkward looking figure while running down the field with his number one. But yeah, he will run. But it's been a watch out for the quarterback, right, watch out that philling special two quarterback sneak's yard. You know, well, Everson mentioned the tackling, Jerry

mentioned it. We mentioned it yesterday. That has not been a consistent part of their defense this year in the run game. Make you mentioned with mobile quarterbacks, they're not as consistent tackling as they would like to be. And that's the that's the big thing I see in the games that they've lost or that they've struggled in. And that's coaching, man. Yeah, that's coaching, man. Yeah, I mean that's all it is. You put emphasis on I'm tackling.

I'm I'm a football player, you're a football player. I know Cook is a great running back, but I'm a hell of a defensive back. I'm a hell of a linebacker. I'm a hell of a defensive lineman. Yea, I can bring this guy down. Everybody knew he ran hard when he came into the game. That was nothing new. And it's one other thing that that concerns me. And I've

always said this about turnovers. I was on Drew Pierson's show the other day and he talked about you know they you know how they bragged on him when you're on the show and talked about how those interceptions he said, he said, he says, he said, man, when when you would get the interceptions when our team, because we led the league, when we were getting an interception, the offense loved it because most times, all these guys do come in and do a couple of running running plays and

next thing you know, you're on the twenty yard line and Drew Pierson's got touchdown a quick slant. You know, you beat a guy on the faith. That's easy work. That's a four play drive. Have you seen how many plays we have to run doing a game. Lately, we always start off inside the twenty five. At least we run. We use every play in the playbook to get a score.

The only game they didn't was the Philadelphia game, and that was the first time all season they went six games without starting an offensive driving the opponents into the field until that game. That's a lot of pressure on your offense. That's just way too much press. I don't care how good you are. Eventually we're gonna figure this out. Slay, we were attacking Slay with Cooper. Well, eventually Slays like, hold up, man, I'm just gonna take a shot here.

Maybe he might run a curl. I'm gonna jump it and see those things. Good teams will make that play. He should have made the player I believe. I believe that was Slay. That missed was right, and good teams are gonna make that play. And now all of a sudden, you're down two scores or maybe three scores, and this is a better team. Now you're talking to the the Patriots, you might be talking. We saw glean Bay. We cannot take this for granted. We cannot come out like we've

been coming out offensively. That's a whole another story. But to me, defensively, anytime you have a good team and you have a good quarterback, that quarterback gets extra opportunities to make up for any mistake because his defense is going to give him another chance. I'm glad you brought that up, because I looked up all the every game this year from the past and counted it up the number of times they've started offensively inside upon his territory or the fifty yard line. What do you say the

Cowboys have one? Well, there was the first time comes to the Philadelphia game. Yeah, yeah, twenty four. Twenty four times Tom Brady's had the ball at midfield or inside upon his territory. That Eagles game had four times that they did. They got the ball four times every time it was in the Eagles end of the field in one game. And I mean that's and Brady's not happy

with the offense. But when when you got the ball and you're not having to go that long and drive, I think the go can can get in there a couple of times. So you probably can't comprehend us. The opponents have thrown three hundred and forty seven passes so far and the Cowboys have four interceptions they got four four. Man, I never said had eleven his rookie season. Man, the host is supposed to do this eleven season seven and

eighty two, which was a strike shortened season nine games seven. Okay, so there's eighteen picks in twenty five games right there. All right, you fell off in before it was started. Five nine interceptions fifty seven in his career. So there you go. Not bad. And I gotta say, guys, I love the accolades, but uh and I love the love. But as a team, we were monsters. Man. I mean, Mick was there. We dude, we picked him off all the time. It was the norm. We gave We gave

up some plays, but man, we made so many plays. Guys. You never even heard of him making interceptions. And that's what I'm talking about. The culture was there, Victor Scott. Who knows who the hill? Victor Scott got some damn interceptions. I can tell you that much. Who who knows who Ricky easily is? I know who is because he got some interceptions with us. No one knows who he is. Okay, you couldn't even find any right now on Facebook. Problem.

But that guy got the pick because he joined the culture, and the culture needs to be established here some kind of way. That guy even Bill Bates got Bill Bates got picks. Come on, man, come on, Steve Wilson got two picks. I took his job and he comes back against two picks. Come on, Cowboys, your rookie year. The Cowboys had thirty seven interceptions. Of course Everson had twenty of them. No, he had eleven, Dennis Thurman had twenty. Together Thurman had nine. Ever, soon, how come he got

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oil along with dry erase ultra calming face cream. Go to get Jack Black dot com, use the code Winner and shop now. Yay, Mickey, that was good. You stepped up your dames ever ever sing in the building. You stepped up your day when you're talking about winter stuff, man Black folks kid as I was all listened to everything you said on that one Jack Black, all right, I was trying to figure out. I pride myself having grown up in Irving. I went to MacArthur, you went

to Berkener over in Richard, Okay. And I pride myself having pretty much known every Cowboys player that came through okay. And then you mentioned this Ricky Easily Eastman. Yeah, And I was like, I've never heard of Ricky Easily. Okay. I've never heard of Ricky Eastman either, Okay, okay. And I looked him up and sure enough, not a Ricky Easily, but a Ricky Eastman. Month that's right. Nineteen eighty five.

Good dude. Lee was the skinniest guy you ever want to meet, but one of those skinny, strong guys that he hit way harder than I did. I wouldn't throw him out by the end like he did. He was a good kid. I don't know that he got an interception? Did you get a pick? So that? Okay, Mickey, you asked about nineteen eighty five, yes, okay, And I looked up thirty They had thirty seven picks in eighty one. I'm still wrapping my head around five. The Cowboys had

thirty three interceptions. I bet we have to go back and everything three four years for the team to total that many. You know who got an interception in nineteen eighty five and scored a touchdown? Was that? He would have been about a third year player? Was me? It wasn't me. A defensive lineman a defense, Jim. Jeff God, that was the sixty five yard Giants may have been. I'm yeah that was. I remember the dance he tried to dance in the unit zone. Jeff God, I can't

see that now. I probably watched well. They started the season off that year with five in the opener against Eisman on his birthday. Oh yeah, I was a day, Yeah, birthday. I hope the whole class, ain't it that? That was classic moment? That yeah, classic, Never forget that forty four to fourteen. And Victor Scott had a twenty six yard pick six he in that game. That Dennis Thurman also had a pick six in that game. Yeah, so there you go. And then they went to Saint Louis and

bought their hats. Yeah, oh yeah, we were feeling us for the games. Ye took the picture. Now just think about that. We bought some hats, gangster hats and see see see the narrative they why can't they just be for doors those on the road trips where I grew up. Every week we grow my hats. What are they doing hats? Oh my god, we're gonna lose this game and the seasons over. And they did a game. Of course TV interview, Hanson was having fun and of all people that missed

the interview, I missed the interview. Oh no, I never went on the early bus. They went the early bus, so they'll call them and like cute little interview. Everybody is upset over hats beat. They weren't prepared to play. We weren't prepared to play because we bought hats. Come on, man, you give me a break. That was the culture from from the eighties. That's typical of the culture from the eighties. The whole defensive line got mad at us because he

bought hats. Then they had to go and do a poster later with some big cowboy hats on because how don't even think about getting gangster hats? Tall hats. That's what we got here. That was just crazy. Man. That was a twenty one to ten lost to the Cardinals. But it wasn't the worst Cowboys Monday Night football lost to the Saint Louis Cardinals. What happened then? That would have been nineteen seventy when Dandy Don Meredith was in the broadcast before at the Cotton Bowl, before the team

even moved into Texas Stadium. My daddy took me to that game, and the Cowboys lost thirty eight to nothing to the Cardinals play St. Louis. No. It was middle of the season, and towards the end of that game, the Cowboy crowd turned towards the broadcast girth and started channing, we want Dandy, We want Dandy. Dandy was the best. That was the best. Monday Night crew. Oh my good, never mind, you can say right now they were far back Comedian. All right, um, Cowboys off We haven't got

your your thoughts on the Cowboys offense right now. These receivers pretty good, aren't They are good? They are good. And I like how you know Dak's picking out you know who's whoever's on the menu today. You know Coop's not doing well, that's okay. You know, we'll go to young kids see how he does. And Cobb, I've always said it from day one. Um, I love me some hot sauce, Love me some hot sauce. But Cobb is the man. I mean, Cobb is is premier slot receiver.

He always was. I don't know what happened in in Green Bay, but having him here and if, if, if that keeps showing the way he's showing how he can connect with every receiver. To me, Cob besides, Cooper is going to be the most important player on the team this year. Wow. Well, and it's thing that's really holding sorry, that's truly held him back. Like you mentioned green Bay was his health. You know, he had the hamstring thing, but I mean he was he was a go to

guy for Rogers for all those years. Yeah, and that's what happened in green Bay last year whenever they soured on him and all he's getting old. He had a hamstring injury, then he had a concussion, and if you looked at what he was doing up to that point, he was awfully productive. And even the previous year when Aaron Rodgers went out basically for the season prior to his injury, he was on pace for like an eighty

catch season. And then you got a rookie quarterback who was in over his head and say so, his numbers aren't going to be the same as when he's got Aaron Rodgers. Think about it. Where do rookie quarterbacks have problems. They have problems down the middle of the field where slot receiver is in the tight end, too much congestion right, correct, and so yeah, but boy, all I know is every time he played the Cowboys, he punished him. Every time

he played everybody, he punished. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is a guy that this was probably the steal for us of the season. And I think he will do as much for our team as Coop did when he came last year. I think I think this guy, you saw it, you know, he complimented Uh uh, why can't I think of the other receivers named gallup very well,

complimenting very well. Uh, you can see that this team offensively, they can I can see why they get a little cocky every once in a while, you know, you get full of themselves because sometimes it just looks like it's just picking cherries. Man. Yeah, they just wild open all the time. So all of a sudden, now you get a team stay with New Orleans, Well, you got some receiver the dbs they wanted to get into receivers faces, no free release of the off the your line make

a little bit more uncomfortable for them. But now they're adjusting to that as well. So right now I see them being challenged more with better teams of course coming up. But I look for them. I look forward to them really settling in. You asked me about what I think about this team. I think that when their backs against the wall, unfortunately they that's when they play. That's when the coaches become more focused. Now the surprise is I

thought that that would come against the Vikings. I thought that was going to be the beginning of our march. But still, if you're looking at what go or f