Talkin' Cowboys: Draft Road Map?

of your favorite show on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back, heck My Harrison. We've got Chris Beam in the back. No, no bushwhack today. I'm Kyle Yeoman's. Actually at the end of the show. Is that the end? At the beginning, I thought, okay, I'm just I'm just saying, man, Rob your muted? Yeah, yeah, you need to make sure yours who mute you about that? That's probably Mickey, you know, it was probably stone cold. I bet you that's what

Col came in here and stunned Rob with this mike button. Yeah, how was That's a dream of mine and gets stunned by Steve. Really, you were sure that you probably one of like seven in the stadium this weekend that did good so much, pretty much stunned almost everybody. I think heck might even got a stunt at one. No, no, now, my insurance was not the bar go in there with that. What do you think about? What do you think about

the Hall of Fame induction of of Taker. We call him Undertaker, you call him take take my guy take. I wasn't well, I didn't hear from name. Basis, I didn't hear from him. It was a busy, it was more of a nickname. It's not even I mean Mark well Mark Mark call. But he prefers take, you know, so I didn't hear from him. But hey man, that was that was great. Bring him out. I thought they're gonna make him go all the way down to the ring. That is a long for those of you that are wondering,

we are not a wrestle podcast. But WrestleMania was at at and T Stadium, and I think every one of us got a chance to go at one of them two nights, and it was phenomenal. It was so much fun. I mean if you missed it, I'm assuming it's gonna be back at and T Stadium at some point. You yeah, you gotta come. It was a lot of fun. I'm not a wrestling guy. I know the stars, I know the guys. I'm not big into it. I'll tell you that now I might be. Now I loved it. That

might It was a lot of fun. Man, Let's see baseball season coming up. I got I got a couple of things. I'm pretty sure you can. You can get in the ring. If Johnny Knoxviielle can get in there, Logan Paul can get in there, you can do it. Even we Man was in there. Somebody want McAfee whenever I wore your jersey that one time when I lost the bet and I wore the jersey, somebody called me

a retired I was built like a retired punter. McAfee got in there, So I think I have a I would absolutely do love to see, should we just who would you want him to face? You see Kyle coming out of the ring behind with the cheerleaders behind him, like the absolutely absolutely I could. Can you do a flip off? Get pal drive by? I can hurt myself? Who would you face who do you think you have a shot at beating? Oh dude, I don't know. I

don't know any other than I think you can beat Mysterial. No, dude, he was flying around you kidding me? He's like one hundred seventy two years ago. He went likely he did like he can still he can still move. I know, dude. It was nuts. When you have a teenage son, you get an opportunity to relive your childhood. So, dude, this is me reliving my childhood and WrestleMania. And you know, I go back to the Sportatorium days and me and Nick talk about the von Erics and I've been there.

S booky, come on, I mean, go back to the old junk yard dog days and it's just oh man, god, this is that's when it was real, baby, It's still real. Nonet. A lot of injuries. You see old boy get hurt. Oh I hated that. Yeah. Towards patella, he blew his knee out. One of the first guys in the tag teams first first match Saturday. Ye first match on Saturday. Yep, he had it. He had one of the ussos on his back and one of the other USO Brothers jumped on his back. He tried to stand up that and

he said, no, sir, no, sir. I could see Kyle getting the ring with who he'd be like and now in the blue corner. Oh, I'm the announcer. Yeah, I could do that. Yeah, I could totally announce it. Yeah, you'd be like the Michael Buffer exactly. I wouldn't be able to use the same slogan, but I could do that. That'd be a lot of fun. They had a guy out there for the main event and he'd get to talk. But no froment. Oh what a fun time it was WrestleMania.

If you missed it, gotta go go next time. I kind of but we've got a lot to talk about it. It's officially draft month. Isaiah has taken a look at the Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine Draft Guide, the official draft guide of the twenty twenty two draft coming fast. He reads, he just written it just right through the whole thing. Yeah, just a lot of alignment on his cover, rigging, largely by Kyle Yon. Little U not have had something to do with putting that u W. I'm just saying it's

just for you. I try to get North Texas on there, but it just didn't work, you know, just couldn't it couldn't find one. I tried last year with Jalen Darden. Didn't work. Rob. Before we get into draft stuff, we're gonna talk plenty about the drafts, some strategies involved, and of course what is going on in free agency because there's really not a lot going on. We'll talk about that in the third segment as well. Let our frustrations

fly a little bit. But any news and notes going on over the last week since we were last on the air from a free agent perspective, from anything as of right now, not in free agency. Um, it's draft season, like we got the is the magazine on sale yet? It is at the pro shops okay? And then it should be on shelves throughout this weekend okay. Like online is right now digital online online, cool, go buy you a copy. It's good. Shout out Kyle did a nice

job on it. Hey, it's draft season. Cowboys started their official meetings on Monday. They've been going to Pro Day's UM and UH thirty visits are now in full swing as well, which finally, for the first time in two years, they can actually meet with prospects in person, national prospects, So it seems like they're turning their attention that way.

I don't know if they're done necessarily in free agency, but I will say I'm a little surprised that we're here on April fifth, fifth and they you know, they've they've had two outside signings Saree agency. Well, there was a rumor, I don't know how much truth is to it that they were trying to be in a DeVante Parker. Oh yeah, they were looking at he did that. He did that. You gotta give credit to New England for

getting that player. But when there were rumors with that guy, I was like, yeah, that's I think that'll maybe that'll satisfy the masses. But they did, so it's cricket. So far would they trade for him? Was past? It was a third or something like that, wasn't it? That's not really I mean for a Monthday Parker. Monthday Parker is a good player. But I don't know if you could say the low is a third round pick. Let me

find the exact It might have been lesser. Yet it might have been a fifth and and I think that's what Dallas would probably look at right, maybe trying to flap flip one of those fifth round picks because the game they've got five of them. It might have been a fifth, it might have been from the past twenty twenty two fifth round pick from Miami in exchange for a twenty twenty three third round pick. Yeah, so you traded DeVante Parker and the fifth for next year's third. Yeah.

So yeah, I mean it's not You're right, it's not a haul. But he's an impact player. He's a good player. Yeah. And I mean there that's a schefter report, and there's a difference between cursory interest and real interest. And obviously if there was interest didn't get very far. But it does show you one that they're looking, they're looking, they need help there. Um. I it just I would be surprised if wide receivers not a primary target at some point,

you know, on the first couple of days maybe. And also, like I mean, they were ready to move on from Maury Cooper. I mean, whether you know that they wanted to change it up, and but knowing that they still needed to add some help here at that position. And I think initially when we were looking at the draft and we were having this conversation a couple weeks ago, it was sure wide receiver in the first round would

be enticing. I mean, there's prospects there that could could come in and contribute immediately, But it was really second third round guys that you really had your eye on because you have so many needs elsewhere. But you look at the fact that they were looking the trade for a DeVante Parker ish type of player. It's not just him. I'm sure they probably did their homework on a number of guys throughout the NFL. But then you've got the confirmed names that have come in or the reported names

that have come in for the thirty visits. Treylan Burt's Arkansas first round player, Chris Olave, Ohio State first round player Drake Lundon out a USC first round player. So all of a sudden, you're not talking about Day two guys at the wide receiver position. You're saying, oh my gosh, this might be what they think is their top need at the moment. Now, there's other guys, of course, that are first round talents that are in the building this

week for the thirty visits. But how much does it change your perception on how the Cowboys could be attacking this draft class and that sounds just absolutely crazy to me. We're even talking about a wide receiver in the first round right now with some of the other needs that we have. But Kyle, for me, it's the philosophical difference between what the Cowboys are doing right now and what

the other thirty one teams are doing. And I think I wasn't surprised that it was Crickets for free agency and that we were going to go about it the way that we would. I mean, just think back to the Alden Smith signing and some of those I mean, we were not trying to make any splashes in free agency during that time. So the guys that we got,

even that Parker, I thought that was someone. Then obviously to me antenna we are still hunting and trying to bring players in, and obviously there's so many different things that we don't know, and they're not going to expose their hand. But I just feel like, you know, Isaiah, when you look at two teams that finished in the Super Bowl for the Rams and you look at the Cincinnati Bengals, the philosophical differences between those two players. The Rams are a blank check team, you know, come in

sign let's go. You want to play? You know you got cut from your think, Hey, come on, Cincinnati. The Brown family is not going to pay you. That's just their philosophy. They are not going to do that. But still, after having so many years of not being a good team, they bring in those first Now, obviously you're able to compete at that level. The Cowboys feel as though they have a core together and they just want to build around what they have. So those thirty visits, I think

they're important. If you look over the history of the thirty visits, some of those guys we've drafted, and so I wouldn't be surprised if there are guys in the building right now that may be here. I'm just hoping that it's in the form of a linebacker. While I receive a linebacker our edge office alignment, please and thank you. I am not surprised. That doesn't mean that I like it, right, I don't. I don't. I don't like it. I don't well, and again to your point, heck, but they're not going

to expose their hands. They want to figure out who these guys are. I was one of the guys that came on a visit. You at this time of the year. You know, guys are flying all over the place. It's cool to get in meet these guys, have an idea of who they are characteristic wise, personality wise, who with what type of player do you have as a person because through the processing, you know, I don't know what the combine was like this year in terms of meetings

and all that jazz. Normal, Okay, So I mean you get a little bit of a time with guys, but you don't really have a true understanding of who they are. You get a number of formal meetings, you get about forty five of them, and then you've got ten minutes with the players like a speed dating. So it's exactly why it is to speed dating. So I mean, you don't understand whose guys are until you get a chance

to bring them in. And from that point forward, Man, you know, we don't know who Dallas is thinking about drafting. We would like to hope that they're that they're going to try to feel these holes. You bring up some of these highly competitive teams that were successful as past year and thinking about the Rams. Guess what they're filling their gaps, filling their major holes, right, I mean and they're adding big time players on top of the already

existing big time players. You need some bread, right now, take this money. Right. They've given up a lot too, don't. They've given up a lot, a lot, but they've added to absolutely, they've given up a time those gaps, all right. I mean they just signed the best linebacker in football to play with the best defensive lignment in football. Yeah, if not the best player in football. Right, So they're

they're taking those big shots. You think about Cincinnati, Cincinnati, everybody was surprised at how far they were able to get this past year, right, even with the giving up nine Saxon game or whatever it was. But guess what they did. Oh, let's go out here and let's take care of that position. Since that's where we struggled that this year. Let's address that right now. Let's I leave it up to the draft. Let's go out here and get some veterans that are proving that we know, go

out here in ball and add to our team. Let's solidify that, and then let's see and see what we have left over so we can address those other areas that aren't as gleaming. And that's why I'm I am a little surprised. I mean, look, they're never going to be a huge spenders and free Agenci's not the way they do it unless they change course in the next few years. But I am surprising that there's two been two outside signings at this point James Washington wide receiver

and Dante Fowler junior at the edge spot. And we're talking about all these positions that if they take a guy at twenty four at two three different spots, four different spots, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, that's a big need, you know, Like they have not and there's still twenty three days to the draft. So I'm not saying they're done in free agency. Hell, they need a kicker. I mean,

they got to bring a guy to kick. But and maybe that's something they look at the draft too, potentially, but they're not covered the way they normally are leading into the draft. Yet if you look at offensive line, you look at wide receiver in particular, and I'm just I'm I went and I looked back at the signings they made last year, Jayron Curse, Demante Casey, count O'Neil, Carlos Watkins, Brent Urban, Terrell Basham. They were all agreeded terms they're signed by by March twenty fifth. I mean

usually they're a little more active than they've been. Again, I don't know if they're done, but it's getting on towards the draft now. I think there's certain positions where they feel like, well, yeah, we can afford to see what the draft holds and then we can circle back to that position. They might be doing that too. So you made this statement that organizations, including the Dallas Cowboys, just don't spend that type of free agent money. That's

their culture, that's the way they operate. But has it been successful, And you know what I'm saying it are people okay with them staying with it? This is who I am, and this is why we're gonna go about it because this is way we've always done it. But we haven't won a championship in how long. But you haven't won a championship doing it the other way either.

You haven't with signing those big free agents you have unless somebody did it though like that, I'm just saying, look at it, look at it just outside of the Cowboys, because yes, any argument you have with the Cowboys specifically is hey, you haven't won one in twenty six years. Doesn't matter whether you've done it or not. You haven't. Yeah, look at some of the other teams in the way

that they've won it. If you're looking more recently, it's a volatile, aggressive rams sort of deal where they went after it and they were the complete opposite of the Cowboys. Forget the draft, let's go get free agency real quick. And they're almost the complete opposite of everybody. Yeah, there's really not another team that's is as aggressive as they are. And it came very close to not working, but it worked.

So it worked. So hello, you know, I mean they have the Trump card over everybody and how they come Oh yeah, it came real close. Tampa did it right, Timpa went on to spend money and got all their guys. Okay, so they piece together their team immediately. But Tampa, Tampa did exactly what Cincinnati would have done building through the draft by having those bad teams and then you have a Chamis Winston had a good team. That's that's that's true.

They were bad and then Brady gets there and then also on top of it, you know TV twelve, Hey I'll come, yeah, I'll come play with you because I'll take a little less and that was the only difference. That was the only difference between them winning the championship and JPP and some other guys. But they had a lot of dues, you know what I say. So like they they added like immediately, like okay, yeah we have

a solid team. Okay, Cowboys having a solid base. But on top of that solid base, you gotta add some dogs. I was pissed off when I found out Bobby signed for ten a year. Yeah, I was pissed. Dad has had tend to sign him. They had Timmy and I was as sign him. They had it. It wasn't the fifteen to sixteen we sat here and talked about a week at three ago. Yeah, they had Timmy and I was as signed that, dude. I'm freaking the best in the league, the best, No, I hear you. And and

they they did have interest. But again it's it's what he wants to What do they have slot slotted, you know, to spend And I did. I will say Todd Archer made a good point. I know, I know. I'll just throw this out there. Todd Archer made a good point last week from ESPN when he talked about how at the linebacker spot they play a lot of big nickel. They play three safeties a lot of the time. It's almost kind of like their bass. And so you got Mica playing all the snaps. How much does your second

third linebacker play? Is it worth that mini million per year? But I'm not But but dan Quinn, you know Dan Quicken. So you can make it work, and he would he would adjust his scheme based around having Bobby Wagner on

your team. My psychology is, if you have an opportunity, now, not just Bobby, just any impact player like that, every down linebacker, right, we're just taking that particular example, every down linebacker who just has been the best in the league for some years, aside from what from Carolina was at Coogly or whatever. I can't pronounce the last name, sorry, but those are the only two Cats that you can even consider for being the best linebacker in the league

over the past ten years. Yeah, ten years. Okay, you got opportunity to secure him. Now he's an LA Cat. He probably want to go home all that jazz. Okay, there's that aspect. And he goes back to what you said when they won, and the Rams have now the possibility of saying, hey, look what we've got. Plus LA is not a bad place to live here, and he say he's an LA kid. And plus you're playing with Oh, by the way, you're playing with the best player of the past, however long. But as Yeah, that's why I

said from the beginning, it's the philosophical difference. And I think Steven Jones has gotten to the point where he's just like, look, I am not going to pay another player to go into hybrid hybernation mode. And soon as he gets paid, and we've seen that too often, especially with aging players. I'm not saying that Bobby Wagner is washed. I'm telling I think that he did have some juice left, but it just didn't fit for what we're doing right now.

And let's take an examination of the teams that have had success. The Patriots, what if they continuously built it on on the fund on the foundation of having an edge guy, a guy in the middle, and one good cornerback. Last year, what did they do last year? They got in preparation for this coming year. They knew they weren't gonna win it last year, But what do they do last year? They spent the most money Doings ever spent

in free agency where at tight end. This is this is what I'm saying they for if we went out and spent big money on a tight end, everybody would say, what do you? What do you? Would you? But that's so that's their foundation, right Like they've won both off of having solid tight end. That's the change that I'm talking about right there, And that's what I'm saying. If you look at the Cowboys and the way that they're

put together. Everybody's talking about the uh coup being gone, but nobody's pointing to the fact that we Tone Pollard and everything that we've begged him to be as a player. If you look around the league, look at Deebo Samuels, the way that they use him, Tony Pollard. If Kellen Moore can use him in a system just like that, he can give you everything you need from an offensive standpoint. I still keep saying, who wants to get on the

bus with Planca? Because you have something on your defense that you can build around, just like you could build around it on the rams. You got the same thing here philosophically, right, if we want to look at from that perspective, Okay, the Dallas Cowboys have been most successful when what position group is an absolute dog, offensive freaking line.

But that's all you have going back to the offensive freaking line, right, if that's what you want to go back to and say this is our foundation New England tight ends, right, whatever, all these other organizations. Okay, Dallas Cowboys, your olfen offensive line as a freaking dog. Nobody wants to face them. They're massive, they're huge, They're gonna drive you into the ground. They're gonna pass block all day long. Do the Cowboys have that right now? And have they

been aggressive this offseason trying to solidify them as their character? Again, that's why I'm surprised because maybe they're not done again. But but I'm a little surprised at guard that there's not a vet in here to at least cover yourself before the draft. But again, I mean they're there. They will drop hence by what they don't do. Like last year in free agency, you know that. I think they resigned Jordan Lewis at the cornerback position, but they didn't

really do much else. Well, they wanted a corner in the first ten picks and it didn't work. But then they got Kelvin Joseph right after that. So maybe they're waiting for that in the first two three rounds, maybe the first round, or maybe they're waiting too, yeah, yeah, to be able to meet these guys and see, hey we like the wide receivers, or hey, we like these guards Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green that we're bringing in.

Heckman brings up a phenomenal point. And the fact is is there maybe a little bit of a lingering back of the mind voice to Stephen Jones saying, I just don't want to make the same mistake again. That's a huge thing, because again, though what mistakes I'm just saying, like not maybe again, but no, I'm more no, no, keep going the other point, keep throwing names in that because you're not finished yet. And that did not fan out. Big name free agents are big contracts to veterans. That

doesn't necessarily work out. Look at the way you're in your salary cap trouble right now. Look at your running back. Your running back has been banged up. See okay, that's that's that's one of your keeping your own guys, because you ain't got the big old line, but you want to you you want the old lineback. You want the old lineback. But the philosophy on offense is a little bit different one. You can't do anything successful in this

league without having assauli offensive line. Cincinnati is the freaking why why do you say that? Why? I mean, but your quarterback took ten sacks a game and he just happens to be a dog and have a receiver that was a dog, he can make. The reason Cincinnati made it is because Tennessee forgot to run the ball. Facts. Okay, so there's but even if I they even got that far, well in Cincinnati could run the ball too, even without

that offensive line. Kansas City, for Kansas City has done it for years on the end, without that great wall of Dallas that you talk personally, will be more than satisfied. If Dallas had up to this point, now they still may happen, right, well, we don't know the what ifs, but up to this point, had Dallas just went all in at old line, just drinking, just chip buttime to this point said at that point we're in the second way. It's gonna be the draft if they're gonna make a

splash at this point. Um, But to your point, like when if they spent tons and tons like as long as I've been here. The last big signing they had was Brandon Carr in twenty twelve is fifty million, ten

years ago, ten years ago. And then I got to go back to like two thousand and five and I was interning here and they signed Jason Ferguson, Jason Ferguson, Marco Rivera, and Anthony Henry on the same day, and they had press conferences for all three guys, Like that's the last time they really dug deep and spent on outside free agents, and they don't really do their count. No,

it didn't, didn't know it didn't. But like this is why I think I'm not saying it's it's not a sound strategy, because I think draft develop especially when you are when you sign a quarterback to this much money, you have to be mindful of the rest of your cap. Like Dax's cap figures going to jump to almost like fifty million next year apparently according to spoke Track and all that, So you got to be mindful of that, even with an expected cap spike maybe by ten fifteen

million again next year. But I do think to your point, I think there can be a balance in Hey, let's go be a little more aggressive because the guys that have parted, they've parted ways with they sign their own guys to big deals and they're not here anymore. Amari Cooper, Jalen Smith, Lyle Collins. It took Tank reworking his deal to come back, Like, it doesn't always work with your own guys that you draft and develop and resign. So can you be a little bit more balanced, Like, I

think there is something to that. I think that's the right answer is it's not one way or the owner. There's no right answer. Everybody can look at the rams and say they went one percent one direction and that's just forget the draft only focus on free agency. That worked one time doesn't mean it's a success for the future sort of deal. However, you have to have a mixture. You can't just rely on the draft and just completely

forget about free agency either. And right now up until this point, like you said, things can change, and it sure could change by the next time we're on air next week. We could have some guys that we're talking about. However, new stuff this week, you know exactly, Yeah, but you haven't had that mixture at the moment. Yahips, All right, let's take a break. When we come back, let's talk about what the strategy could be with the NFL draft. What roadmap do you guys want to lay out for

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You can see it on the brain if you're watching it. The Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine Draft Guide is out this week. You could get it digitally, you could get it at the Dallas Cowboys Pro shops if you're in the DFW area, and then very soon it'll be on the two shelves everywhere he goes. I'm working on this a lot of it. Yeah. I wrote one hundred and ten bios for that magazine. Thanks man. Wait for third year, third year in draft coverage,

second year writing the bios. This was the Brian Broadest roll back in the day Kyle's getting I am not Brian Broddest, I'll tell you that much, but I try my best man. Thanks doing what I can this. I hope it I hope it helps. It's it's a lot of information, for sure, and there's a lot of people that contributed as well. You contributed, Rob, not much, not much to cheer, Milo graphic designer, the whole graphics team. Real, they put it all together. It's a great magazine, great look,

great information. Isaiah sold it with the van a white wheel. My cousin went on that show and walked away with nothing, really nothing, man, how do you get up there and walk away with you? No? You hit the bankrupt, right? I would have spent it. Always always picture myself getting up there and spinning the heck out of that. Is it will of fortune? Of the prices? Right, I'm thinking prices right, are Yeah? No, yeah, you think of price,

Bob Barker. I feel like that will of fortune. My fault that shows easier to walk away from with nothing than wheel of fortune is will of fortune there at least like hey, here's a grand like here's a thousand dollars to cover your travel. But I used to want to spend the crap out of that dog on wheel. Yeah, yeah, I wanted, I wanted, I want to do a vertical jump up there and just pull it all the way down,

eat like a whole steak. The day before you were such a show off, dude, can you break the wheel? The wheel? The wheel is the audience. You're up there asking what is the record for the amount of time? Yeah, exactly, Lord, Um, anybody running the draft day five k By the way, I'll be out there. No, I don't run that far. Me and my fiance will be running it. All right, that's good, awesome support you. I will clap oh quickly. How was in New York? Oh? It was great. It

was a lot of fun. First time up like your photo shoot. Thanks man. Yeah, it was twenty three degrees with a windshill of thirteen. I'm sorry, Yeah it was third real field was thirteen degrees and I was in a suit that was basically what last week? What I'm in right now? Yeah, last week. H just a random day and it's ninety two degrees here in Dallas day Yep, it was eighty five that day. It was the worst. It was so cold, interesting, unbelievably cold. Though. Love will

make you do crazy thing. Yeah, I mean he we scheduled it. We put down the deposit and paid the money. So I was doing it a photos shoot though, how don't you do that in those busy streets, which, by the way, walking across the sidewalk puts me to shame again, just like the engagement story put me to shame. Man hat All for your engagement photos. He has film studied though, you know he has film study. He has a lot of you know, other people. He can listen to learn

from the best. That's what it was. You guys are the best to My wedding photos were in black and white, so you are. That's how long I didn't have waiting? Really, you have like the camera. I didn't have a wedding. I have to make that up this year. So if anybody has any connects on a wedding venue, you get are you getting? Wait? We never we never had a wedding what what? What? Yeah, we never had a wedding what Wait a minute, So this is the year on

Lorena works at a wedding venue. I trained her boss. That's true. What are you talking about? That place is booked out for like the next seventeen years. Yeah, that's why we're waiting. Um, all right, enough of that talk, But let a Verse. Congratulations. Um, what if the roadmap the Cowboys could use in the draft. I mean, if you're looking at early picks, we just talked about offensive line wide receiver as potentials there they'll use a book. You can use a book, Yeah, for sure, use it.

Wide receiver. Offensive line? Is that the go to front runner in the first round of this draft? And if it's not, what else could it be? A line? Hopefully? I just think those are the two spots that you and you made differ in terms of how deep those positions are. Yeah, but just in terms of looking at the roster, those two spots jump out to me first like guard maybe center competition, offensive tackle depth slash competition, and then obviously the wide receiver depth jump out at

me first. Now, whether you want to go there with one two in the in the draft rounds, that's another story. What do you think need versus best player available? Has always been the mystery leading up to the draft. And when Ceedee Lamb failed and you needed a safety, you needed an edge Russia, what did you do you got a wide receiver? Jerry has already said it. You know, unless we have some of those special players that are there,

and you know, how wacky the draft is. Some team will bite off of a player that they think it's potentially better, and a guy will fall. That's just how we just got so lucky with Micah. I mean, that draft could be done all over again. They would rethink the whole thing from the heavens. You know you got Come on, you just call it how it is, Pete. You're on my side now, see you get it. You

get it, Pete. Anyway, sure, I'm just saying, though, you know, if we've ever really disagreed on that honestly, like I mean, I think you cannot reach, but just pecially the first round, you get yourself in trouble doing. Just think if Micah had an opportunity to go to Indie and run and go on those visits anyway, hypothetically, You're right. I'm just saying, best player available. What we need right now is an offensive lineman. We have got to get that competitive going

back to Oxnard. And that's what made them good coming out of Oxnard. It's just how competitive it was. I'm not sold on Connor McGovern and I don't think any of you guys. I don't think the coaching staff is either. Okay, So that means that we definitely need to be looking at the left guard position. I don't want a left guard hybrid. I don't want a guy that was good at this this This isn't it. Were you a left guard in college and did you play the hell out of it? That's what I want. I at that guy,

you know. And on the other Zion Johnson, Kenyan Green, what'd you just name there? They played other positions, but they were guards, like that was their d Yeah, Like Kenny Green's not a tackle the pill, but they played it. But and this is I'm sure this has been a

discussion on the Draft show. But then it brings up the point of, Okay, what if Tyler Lenderbaum is sitting there at twenty four, best center in the class, arguably the best interior offensive lineman in the draft didn't really he didn't play guard, but he could upgrade your center

spot potentially. I mean, that's that's a pickle, you know, But I stay true to who I am and if you believe in if you believe in your center, and don't, I don't know if they're sold on him as well, but he comes acclaimed just as Linda Baum did out of Iowa. And you still got to try and figure out how to get better on defense. I think if Linda Baum is there, you look to the defense and say who's better on defense. That's just how I feel

about it. The one thing about Linderbaum that's different than Tyler beatis just out of the fact that they both won that trophy. They both won the Rimington Trophy. But Linderbaum is a much more polished player coming out of college than Beotish was. But now you've had two years of Beotish and it's like, Okay, has he gotten more polished the way that you kind of anticipated him too. He's had the experience he started the majority of the game since he came into the NFL. But Linderbaum is

still better, is the big thing. And he's of course younger, and he's coming out of college. It's a first round prospect versus a fourth round prospect. But really, you look at the two compared, Linderbaum is better overall. However, I agree with you and the fact that even if Linderbaum is there, you still have to look at the rest of your board and see how it lines up with your knee. We need guys to play right now. Linder

Bamb's that guy. Okay, that's right about that. We need right now, guys, we don't need a you are a developmental guy. We're gonna see you like, can you get off the bus with a helmet and ready to play? That's that's period. I would say offensive lineman in that category is Linder, Bam, ken Yon Green, and maybe Zion Johnson. Zion Johnson could do it, but he's a little bit more of a project than the other two out of BC, out of Boston College. Yes, so those are those are

the guys that are there. So Heckman's offensive line heavy, which I'm right there with you. What are you thinking? Two office, a lineman and a linebacker first three picks? That's what That's what I'm looking forward now. So you're going guard, offensive tackle possibly, yes, okay, or maybe offensive tackle Guarden. No wide receivers, leaving that up to you can find for you can find wide receivers in free agency, okay, I feel like you can. I feel like it's very

difficult to find office ave linemen in this league. It is very freaking difficult. Is that is? That's tough. So if you have a sure thing in terms of being able to grab that in the draft. Grab it because you can always find skill position always, and if your offensive coordinator is as good as everybody's telling him to be, then freaking you can find a skill guy that's sitting on the street or sitting at the crib. No I hear, and they usually wide receiver is not a position that

right off the bat. I mean, it can take some time for guys to develop at that position, although they've had success there and that's why I kind of think they're going to go that route at some point. I just think that's fact opposite about the wide receiver position. Really, I think guys are ready to come in because of the scheme. I think the college scheme and pro scheme aligned. So that's why I think guys in college would be

ready to come in and contribute. I mean they've had success though to your point, I mean CD came in and played well. Gallup came in and it took him a little time, but he got better and better his rookie season and then took off in year two and then Cedric Wilson in around six. Like, I think they think they can hit on that position. I would say offensive line, interior, offensive line and wide receiver, and this appears to be a some what deep edge rusher class.

It is so um, I think they need to look there too, because if you wait too long, you're not gonna find a guy that's going to really be an impact player. There. Yeah, is as deep as it usually is. Even even if you wait later into first round, you may not find a really impact guy. Just to add to Isaiah's point, a couple of moments ago, free agent wide receivers, these are just the top three names that I could find Odell Beckham juniors out there, A J. Greene,

and Sammy Watkins. Those are the three big names that are still there that will probably come in and be starters on your team. The rest of the guys are probably still dead. I mean, but I mean, but you know, you just need a scheme guy. Landry is still out there too, By the way, you just need a scheme guy. I like Landry a lot. I think I mentioned that

a couple weeks ago play he could throw like Cedric Wilson. Yeah, but Kellen Moore Andre has has made it very apparent that I could take good players and fit them in our system in initial work, right, So my whole thing is where can you be dominant. We keep talking about this passing game, and we need to get dominant in the running game. Okay, Dallas Cowboys can't win anything unless they're dominant in the running I'm sorry, you can say

whatever the heck you want to. Dallas Cowboys historically and now can't be dominant in this league unless they have an efficient, effective, dominant running game. You got freaky Zeki in the backfield, you got TP in the backfield. They can't just make holes. They can make people miss. They can run over a couple of guys, but guess what, there's more guys coming, So you might want to get off as a line that can move some people out

the freaking way. Once you get that, then your quarterback, who we know is a play action quarterback, Dak Prescott. He is most successful when he has play action. Then he can be as effective as you want him to be in terms of paying him with all his money. Correct the mundo and I agree also with a blocking tight end. I think when you can get a tight end in later rounds, I'm not talking about those early rounds, but later rounds. And you know, the guy that I'm

excited about from Iowa State, Charlie kolar let's go. I just I just believe he's a willing blocker. And right now, if there's any knock that you have on Schultze is the fact that he is just not a blocker. All right. The guy's great and what he does in coverage, but anytime this team, going back to what you're talking about, if you're gonna stay with the run, you recognize him as a weakness out there on the line because he just can't He hadn't been able to get it done

having I think sprinkle. Obviously, maybe he's a better blocker, but if you can get a rookie to come in and be that willing blocker, I think it changes the dynamic of your offense how you can block on the outside.

Quick addition, that Charlie Kohler there out of Iowa State, This was a pro day time, but he's got a lot of length, actually one of the longer, lengthier tight ends in the entire draft, outside of maybe a Jelani Woods out of Virginia who's just six foot seven, massive, but he ran the quickest time or what would have been the quickest time at the combine in his pro day forty so he's got some quickness to him as well as yards after the catch, the ability to break

tackles and as a blocker. So he's kind of a Dalton Schultz ish type of player. I comped him in the magazine to Hunter Long as a tight end. He's I mean, he's a good player. I like them a lot. What round probably fourth round, later round guy. I wrote down, Oh, line wide receiver, interior, line wide receiver, edge tight end. We haven't mentioned linebacker yet now. Stephen Jones was asked about that last week and he said, they don't feel that.

I actually feel pretty good about their numbers, in part because they kind of viewed round Curse as a linebacker in their scheme, going back to that big nickel package that they play so much. So I'm not agreeing with that necessarily. I just I think I wrote it down on my list. But but they're not. I guess they're not looking at like they got to get a guy

in the first round necessarily. I wonder if the listeners who are on the podcast side of things that listen to this heard the eye roll from Isaiah because it was massive. Just a second, you need an every day, every down, solid linebacker. Man that just can't be too man. You get hurt playing that position. Understand that. But that's why you have to Yeah, that's why you got to get a guy that that's what he does. Dude, you've got Layton van Back the disrespect. Leyden's a good player

in terms of feeling in for what he does. But Layton, whether it's a neck injury or whether it's what they expected him to what they expect him to do, and he's not that and they resigned him, so they have some depth there. But is he You're a guy? Is he? That's why I was so pissed off about Bobby. Bobby's that guy. Yeah. You look at a guy like Nakobe Deane from Georgia and the reason they keep mentioning him is because of his IQ. He's a fast guy, he's a plugger, he could do all of those things in

the SEC as a linebacker. I think he's a true fit um whether they draft him that high or not, because he's definitely should be gone first round, early second round. He's just that talented. But for me, it's it's gonna come down to who are the Dan Quinn types? And you know he had Dan Quinn has a type. It's sixty three, sixty five or better, you know, so he cover and go sidelines. It's no reason why they play

what they play him. And that's one reason why he tried to make count Neil a linebacker because he you know, for the former safety, you can move around. So and that's why Curse never comes off the field because he can. He can do that and he could be a matchup guy. So but from a depth perspective, their numbers don't look great, not as good as it did going into last season.

So that's position to watch. We haven't talked about offensive tackle, which who's the swing tackle at this point, Josh Ball better be willing to have that position that might have been spinning all last year trying to be the swing tackle. Let's call it real, let's be let's do it how I'm supposed to be done. Right now. Man, he's he's got the opportunity to do it. You mentioned linebacker and offensive tackle. Those are the two sneaky needs that you're

covered right now. To a certain extent, you're covered, but then you could go out and you can absolutely improve in both of those positions. Devin Lloyd kway Walker are both in the building. Devin Lloyd out of Utah. He's a dan Quinn guy more so than then Kobe Dean, because Dean out of Georgia's five eleven, two hundred and thirty pounds. Devin Lloyd to six foot three almost two forty bigger thirtier linebacker Quaywalker same way, six foot three,

two forty out of Georgia. They've got a couple guys in the building that they like this week at that position. Then at offensive tackle, Charles Cross is reportedly in the building with Mississippi State, one of the top offensive tackles in the class that maybe is slipping a little bit. A lot of people thought he was a top ten guy and now he's kind of falling in. And then Bernard Raymond or Rayman, excuse me, out of Central Michigan is reportedly a thirty boot. Cause somebody to slip Kyle.

It depends on the preference of the teams. Really, It's it's is their trait or is their con too big enough or too big for let's say the next guy, right, and so then you kind of compare him to the next guy, and it's like I'll flip them. And then you can compare him to the guy after that, and you flip them again, and then that's where they kind

of fall down the list. A lot of it also is media sc scouts trying to find out where the real scouts are, and they may be completely off at the beginning, but they start to close the gap at Raymond's interesting. I wrote about him today. He's former tight end. He's kind of a developmental prospect and to a certain extent because he's been a startup this out. I mean, it is interesting. He's from Austria, he started two years at tight end, or played two years at tight end,

started two years at left tackle at Central Michigan. He's got a lot of upside, But like you said, you need guys to come in and play, and not only from just a talent readiness standpoint. You play if you take a tackle in the first round or two. I mean, where's he's backing up, Probably Terrence Steele and certainly Tyrn Smith yep. So you're not drafting a starter at that position, but it's still a need. It's still a need unless you think it's Josh Balls ready or maybe you resigned

Tian Sky something like that. A lot of people have him mocked in the first round. I think at twenty four that would be a pin throw for me. I think I would be a little upset, and by a little, I mean visibly upset if it was Raymond at pick number twenty four. But in the second round, if you wanted to go get a guy like that, and if you're telling me he would have a competition with Terrence Steele,

I think I can maybe go for that. It's gonna make for a good TV if they take him at twenty four, you'll be live on the air, so we will. Let's see what you do. Wow, due players rock and we've had two good picks in the in the three Yeah, gosh, we've got two good picks in the two years that I've covered Ceedee Lamb of course ran to the Star and back four because I'm so excited. And then and then you've got Michael Parsons. Of course you like that one,

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and there's Isaiah back at the barbecue. Dogs, Kyle, that's what we need, so name and again the three positions you want dogs at? Off as a guard? Okay, off as a tackle? Linebacker? Did you just go? What was that accent? I don't know. Was that the buyoulas right now? I like it? Let go? So is there a chance that they could cover themselves in that position group or one of those three position groups before the draft, or like Rob was saying earlier, are they trying to do?

And I know, Cowboys Nation, this is a buzzword, and it is a say. It trigger words their due diligence on potential draft prospects before they go and address them. I don't know who's free at the officeive Garden officsive tackle position right now, right tackle specifically. I don't know who's available on the market. Will Hernandez got signed by Arizona last week. I think he would have been a classic like Bridge play bridge, club, cover yourself. Dwayne Brown

is still available, but he's thirty six. Ye. Eric Fisher's thirty one from the Colts offensive tackle there right tackle. H he played left tackle, but he could play right tackle too. I think Riley Reef from uh stop trying to convert the win, converting nobody converting the guy. No, those are the offensive tackles. I was like, that's a left shoe, but I think you put on your right. It'll work for a bag around hole exactly making work. Yeah. I don't. I think they missed a boat free agent

wise on that. On those particular positions. I think linebacker, there might be some guys floating around, but everybody needs offensive linement. Everybody. So when there's veterans that are available, you got to grab them. Cats I don't care what you want to spend it. I'm telling you the teams are hoarding their offensive linemen, not letting those guys out if you can, hey, oh you can line block, you

can all block. You're here, you're here, but oh you're here, and I'm gonna hide you so far down the practice squad roster that nobody finds joy and play in the preseason. You hear me, I'm gonna lock you in the dungeon. That's how they do things. Of course they do. We talked about this every year at camp, like when they've been leaning at that position, and it's like, well, wait till the first round of cuts, and nobody's gonna cut

defensive offensive lineman. You gotta wait until maybe final cuts, but you know, you know how bad you gotta be to get cut. Look at Terence Steele, I mean, look at Steel. He's a great example of it, because initially everybody's like, why are you even signing this guy as

an undrafted free agent? They were like, this is a waste of a sign And then and then he makes the camp roster, and of course he makes the real roster, and then of course he comes in and is not very good as a rookie, and now he's presumed to be the starter at right tackles, everything goes exactly what it is. He's everything you want out of an undrafted free agent. You want a guy to come in and work his tail off, and that's exactly what he did. And he worked Leo Collins out of a job. That's

exactly what he did. He wasn't nothing shady or underhanded. He worked his tail off. He put his head down. Credit to him, you know. And that's what you and that's what you want to see. You have him now as a starter. How do you create that competitiveness? Do you? You got to bring in guys? These dogs? Are you talking about the guys that are out there that can still be signed, that can make your offensive line better because you're gonna have to run the ball. Let's just

call it how it is, you know. And for me, those dogs that you're talking about, let me just say this, anybody from Georgia please get him. Yeah, Obama, Yeah, any of those guys from Georgia's sign Jeremy Sawyers, the offensive lineman from Georgia that could probably No, No, that ain't what I'm saying. I'm on the defensive Jordan Davis, Jack Hamburger, He's probably not gonna be there. Probably. I think he's he's rising teams. He is way good. Yeah yeah, um.

Some of those linebackers I went through the offensive line. It's pretty thin in free agency, but there are a couple names linebacker wise that are out there. Dante how High Tower from New England. A J. Johnson High Towers thirty two. You know what, Cole I just thought of something was that you're getting to the point as a writer and all this where you could plan a story for us for a guy to actually start to fall. I could probably do that. Who do you want to fall? This?

Jordan Davis kid? You want me to do? Give me a second Holdupty, Hey, that's too big. He's not gonna move very well. Two things are really the biggest knocks on what I could do with Jordan Davis. First, his ability to stay on the field for more than two plays. He's just a two down player. He doesn't do a whole lot more than that. I mean, he's really good here in those two plays, but let's just forget about that.

Third down is where you need him the most, and he's not gonna would your comp be, who'd your comparison plays. I compared him to Derek Brown, who went in the top ten a couple of years ago from Auburn. Yeah, compared him to this space eat. Yeah, he's pretty darn good. The second thing is he's not great off the snap. But I also in my con for him, I was like, but his strength makes up for it, so even Yeah, because he's just gonna move people out of the way.

He doesn't need to be the first because it doesn't matter. And that goes back to that goes back to what I was saying about Belichick. What does he always have he has for He has a forklift in the middle of his defensive line. That's what he specialized in. Judahan on the outside, and he gets a guy that could play the cornerback position. You know why, Why because if your center in your guards can't work up to your linebackers. Second level stuff improves the run defense, which has been

a problem here. Like the two things, if your most recent memory of this team was the San Francisco game, couldn't run the ball, Dak got pressured way too much so and you couldn't and you really couldn't stop the run. Either, and we don't talk about that enough's right, as we love dan Quinn, we could not stop the run to save our lives at the end of the season and we well, you know, dak was just six and five down the stretch and all those different we couldn't stop anybody.

It's I think it's because it was better. But the bar was twenty twenty was the second most rushing yards allowed by a defense in NFL history, So that was you know, you just can't compare it to that. You can't compare it to the worst. But defenses are better when they forced offenses to be in third and long. If you're in third and long, I can bring pressure, if I could take take away to run, make you one dimensional. And those are the things that we couldn't

do in the playoffs. We did not make semphasis you're not going to run outside, even just run outside. If I can limit you to just taking things outside the hashes, I can control what you do. And Dallas just hasn't been able to do that as of late. And I think that was the whole purpose of bringing in big urban. He got hurt, unfortunately, so they didn't have that to rely on. I think they did their due diligence in terms of trying to feel that whole. Yeah, he just

he just sucks that he got hurt. And you're not making it very easy on me to make Jordan Davis fault because you're talking about how like even the one cop that I had or the con that I had, you're saying, it's fine, let's go ahead and get him into day they do my fault of four, give him a different compo. Who would be your bad comp don Terry Poe. Let's tug. That was my guy on mail back today though, I said, because you mentioned earlier, heck

like Jordan Davis. Yeah, yeah, like in a situation where okay, we want this position, this position, but if a guy just falls and you're just like, it's not a huge, huge need. Dan, he's in the building this week. He is a thirty visit guy reportedly throughout the week. Here, do something stupid, Jordan usually there. He's on our draft magaine or no he's not. He's not on the draft magazine. Please do something something up. You are No, we don't

want there're a straight Cowboys guy. I'm not trying to I'm not Look, I'm not sugarcoating this man. This is a guy. You can make this defense so much better. This is what will need to be. Come on, let's go, guys. We gotta get something here because we gotta get a dude that could stop plug that middle up. I mean, as much as we talk about how good the defense was, it's creating turnovers. We could not get stops, and there are defenses out there in the league that can't get

off the field that it makes you mediocre. I don't care how good your offense is. Jordan David, you're listening. Come on, there happened? Can't wait? Fans? You know what to keep your seal phones out? Any interest in secondary at all, or you want to try and stay away from that. This draft, I just think secondary take It's so hard to put your finger on an impact player, and that's right now. But you don't think you drafted that last year. I know you don't. You don't, no, no, no,

I'm saying these guys could be developed into players this year. Yeah. Development, that's what I'm saying. Development, Yes, because that's a one or two year project, right, one two or three year project. I'm talking about guys that you usually gonna find in a draft right now to see Yep, he's gonna shut down. Some guys don't really see it happen from you doub you doube. I mean, of course you doube. Players are gonna do it. But I mean, but he's like whatever,

chill okay, Sauce Gardner, Devin Stanley. Yeah, no, we need trying to make because it doesn't matter because if the guy the quarterback has time to throw the ball, I don't care who the quarterback is, the receiver's gonna get open. These receivers are too good, too fast, too agile nowadays with great hands to be able to guard these guys for three, four or five seconds. If you can't stop the run, you're gonna be in for a long day. If you can't get to the quarterback, you're gonna be

in for a long day. So if you don't have either one of those areas sewed up, and I don't care if you've got Jalen Ramsey and Neon Dion outside, it doesn't matter. Like the four or five seconds this is too long to be covering anybody, but that still is time. But let me ask you this, do you think any of the guys that we had from last year's draft will be impactful this season. I think the time is now for both Kelvin Joseph and Nashan. Right those top one hundred picks, they didn't really do a

whole lot. In your one, Calvin Joseph's kind of sprinkled in there towards the end, but that wasn't the expectation expectation last year. I feel like pressure is more on who Nashan then Kelvin. Kelvin Joseph do you think so well? I mean, he's a top fifty pick that didn't get to play much, and I think to your point, like why they probably won't invest a high pick is because they have him there. They have high hopes for him. I don't discuss, but like that expectation. But I also

put you on to what's your name. Nashan has a shorter leash. He has a way shorter leash. Look at Reggie Robinson from two years ago. He was drafted in the fourth round. No, no, no, no, I'm just saying it's the same thing though that was trying to make him a safety. That was That's all I'm saying. The thing that difference with Nashan and I believe is because

he's a better special teams player in my opinion. Good point, so point, good point, so come on, But you don't draft a guy in the top one hundred to be a special teams point. But he's contributing. He made a contribution last year. Listen, that's all I'm pointing too. He was His contribution was landing on the football one time, like on a pop swear that look at it, go look at it. He didn't do anything. He was on special teams. That doesn't mean he's a contributor. He was

just there. So it was Kelvin Joseph. Doesn't mean he was great. Not bones thought he did well. Yeah, I mean yeah, the e Hondas. Come on, man, I'm a Nation fan. I am a Nation fan. But about guys like Izzy Mukuamo. Mcquamo has learned how to be willing to hit. I talked about that all last year and once we saw him at camp, he doesn't want to hit. At that point in time, he did not want to hit anybody. If he changes that, he'll be a hell

of a player. But it's hard when you're twenty some odd years old, all of us, all of a sudden turn to switch on and say all right, I'm whoo, let's go. I'm gonna hit somebody. A guy that went from corner to safety. Also, so yeah, I think having Jamaron Curse is a guy that Mukuamo can kind of learn from because they're both bigger bodied safeties quote unquote, they that could potentially help. But it's a willingness. Man. It's no different than I'm being on Kickoff back in

the day with the Wedge. Either wanted they bust the wedge or you just didn't and it showed up on film every time. Yeah, that's a kama Kazi job right there. Yeah, so were you a big fan of that? That role? Man? I had to. I had to stay on the roster, didn't I. So you were a big fan of that. I was a fan on anything that I could have an impact on. If they've required me jumping in betweenix

hundred pounds, I'm grow man. And on the next show of Talking Cowboys, we'll be out of the Tostitos Championship Plaza. It'll be Isaiah just absolutely flattening Rob Phillips k Yeah, Phillips over the middle. Here comes Isaiah Special. Let's that's it for us here I'll talk about cowboys, probably fair, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back, heck My Harrison. I'm Kyle Yumans.

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