Talkin' Cowboys: Draft Review, Day 1 & 2

episode of your favorite Talking Cowboys crew. Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us. The draft is in the rear view mirror. The Cowboys state put made all nine picks in the way that they were slotted, and we will break it down for you hero for the next hour on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the various streaming platforms. Gentlemen, how are we doing?

Everybody recovered from a great draft weekend? Are you recovering from a great draft week You just had a draft show on top of Demanza outside of like my neck kind of feeling weird in the back here from being like hunched over a mic all weekend. I feel great. Actually, Now, well you've got the couple days. You've got these strong neck muscles, I hear you. I mean you're like a baby tank. Is that your nickname? Now? Soft? This is an inside joke. It is here. Well I can explain it,

we can talk about it on the air. There was just gonna take the whole thing off the rails right to start. Right at the start show, Audius got strong. So there was There was a presentation yesterday with with South oh Cliff and the state championship high school yesterday got a chance to kind of moderate a conversation between them and d Law and the team meeting room across a way, and it was put on by water Burger, our friends over there, and they did a great job

with it. And somebody clipped a picture of just me and d Law standing next to each other and they're like, is it just me? Or is de Law looking a little small? And I'm looking at these comments and like half the comments are, nah, Kyle Yeomans is just getting jacked. Maybe it because Kyle Yeomens is hitting the weights. I can assure you that's not the case. And I can also assure you d laws not looking small boys. The bots that you paid for don't know when to stop

start start accounts. They're both just my burners. I switched over the profile every once in a while. You got you gotta slow the algorithm down. They don't. Oh man, but that's the sidetrack. But yeah, we are going to talk tomorrow show draft. Sorry, Rob baby Tank, uh baby Tank. If that's the nickname, I'll take it. I I love tank. Should um Isaiah, you did some some draft work this weekend. How did that go? It was good man working with the Lockdown podcast network. We were down there at w

FAA studios. We reported on the one step one step close, one step. You just just right there, You just just tiptoe tiptoe that burst through the door. It was a lot of cred of coverage though. That was a Yeah, it was some long days marathon. It is a marathon. Honestly. One of the things that helped us get through the marathon was this dude right here reading two hundred scouting profiles for our draft coverage. I'm gonna be able to hit through them. Is there any way for me to

humble bragging this thing. Do it, no, humble umble, just do it, just do it. I did my thing, no, you know what. And it was so much fun just reading Damn Bugler's book. And he does a really good job. I don't know. I'm sure all you guys are taking it. And you got the digital version because you're a digital brother. You don't come down, you know, like I'm not about saving paper here. You honestly, some of these people with the big ring bind there around their beast. But yeah, man,

it was it was one for and thankful for the opportunity. Yeah, we got to hear his name quite a few times throughout the draft process, reading through Dame Brugler stuff and stuff. Getting through that it was awesome. Saved us a ton of time. And then also it allowed us to just continue to pile on information and that was awesome. And then Rob Phillips over here doing this thing on the

website writing up all the profiles, getting everything together. But he stopped doing finger paints with a little lady to write some articles. And it took a break. It took a break from the you know, baby baby shark got that done, did some podcasts into a little TV, and uh, we got nine picks to talk about. Man, yeah, we do.

Let's start. We're gonna just go through these one by one and kind of talk about the reaction and how it led to this and how the Cowboys ended up taking these guys and Rob, I'll start with you on this one. What was your initial reaction of Tyler Smith and how has it evolved as the week has gone along, Because I feel like that's the biggest thing is when the pick was made on Thursday, the instant reaction, to a certain extent was disappointment. It really was, I mean,

plain and simple. There were a lot of people disappointed in the pick, but me being included. As we got along and as we heard the reasoning and as we heard the thought process behind this selection, my thought process has evolved too, and it has gone with it. What has yours been like over the last couple of days.

I think it's the same thing. I think when you talk to people not only in the press conferences, but off the record just on what they thought of the pick, you get a better clear picture of what they wanted to do. And honestly, we're doing something on the website today about what was your favorite pick, What do you

have questions about. It's hard for me not to say that my favorite pick is Tyler Smith, not knowing whether it's going to work out, but just because I feel like a hypocrite if I don't say that, Because I sat there here in this chair the day after the forty nine ers game and said, they've got to address a line with their first pick. So and they tried to do that, and according to their board. Another board always can be wrong, and often is. It's just the

way the draft goes. They saw value in that pick at sixteen overall compared to the twenty fourth pick, so they're in their mind they're not reaching. I think the disappointment that you're speaking about Kyle is he wasn't a known name coming into this draft. In fact, his name did not really surface about forty eight hours before the pick was mad as a potential Cowboys pick. Until then, they kind of kept it from everybody else because they

worked him out personally and really liked him. But again, who knows who knows. They're looking at it from a standpoint of left guard year one. I don't think they make this pick if they don't think he can be that guy right away and left tackle in whatever year you want to say it is whenever Tyrann Smith that era ends. And if you look at it from that two punch approach, the pick makes a lot of sense.

That being said, who knows, because there's a lot of really good players picked right after him that could have very good NFL careers. So that's the fun part of the draft. Immediately after him, immediately immediately guys on defense that could make a big impact for Dame Quinn. And so that's that's the beauty of the draft. Man, you just don't know, Isaiah. I like the pick number, the number one pick. I had no no, no quandaries about it,

nothing at all. I felt good about the number one pick for those exact reasons, and I don't know why everybody was up in arms about it. I knew exactly what the game was. Well, he did absolutely Other names we liked along the way. There were the Zion Johnsons, the Kenyan Greens, the Tyler Linder Bombs that we had kind of tabbed that we be there. We talked about those guys. But when they when when they when they show his highlights, I get it right, He's the size

we need. He the aggressiveness that he has directly affects that the portion of what we sat here and talked about last week. The run game has to get going. Sure, absolutely this This team is crap on offense unless the run game is rolling. So that's what he does, right. He run blocks really well. So that's one of the things that they're gonna do. Heats a plug and play guy at the offensive guard position, and I knew immediately

that the game plan was he's the replacement for Tyron. Right, he's the exactly, he's the guy as soon as he retires. All right, buddy, you're now playing left tackle. And at that point in time, we would have already addressed the backup guard position or whatever that may be, or maybe they address it in that year's draft whenever they find out about Tyrant whenever year that is. But this was a great, great game plan for round one. I am all about their decision around one. We'll talk about the

rest later. Well, you know, not to be redundant, because you guys outlined it perfectly and I agree with both of you, and I think Kyle, come on, man, you guys, would you just just bake this fan base for like two months into a frenzy right before the draft, and their expectations were so high with that pick. I don't think that it could be met unless it just with

the first pick in the draft. There's something half of the Dallas Cowboys and moved up from twenty four, like something crazy like that could have happened, and that's the

only thing that would have satisfied the fan base. But I think all in on when you look at the NFC East, it was other teams that I kept looking at and going, oh my god, they did what And so you know, I mean I showed a lot of people a lot of love, and then they go to our rivalry and arrival teams and I told you guys in the text, I was like, this guy isn't dead to me now, Yeah, I love them. Then I won't even speak his name. We're gonna talk about it later.

But it really was. It was just one of those drafts where you were looking at around the league and asking yourself, like, you know, come on, Tennessee, what did we do to you? You know, why did you why would you make that trade? You know we would we would have made that trade with you, did you know? But those were the things that happened, and you've seen other teams start to get better that you questioned the pick. We knew all along that this team was thinking, look,

we need a left guard. Oh yeah, they couldn't have been thinking anything else. And I think as far as much as the fan base think that there's a disconnect with the front office, that really isn't. They addressed all of the needs that you have, and so they checked every box in It may not have been the guy pee. I had no idea who this guy was. I even tweeted, I said, look, if you had him picked, you have

a crystal ball. The only place I saw him was in Kyle's draft book as a guard and he was a tackle, and so that's how I even figured out, you know who he was. But guys that the men had him as a guard in my in my book, yes, yeah, yeah, you had him as a guard. He's a tackle. Again, I'm looking, I'm looking at the tackles. I'm like, he's not even tackle. The reason why I had him as a guard was because when we heard his name for the first time at the combine, they had him as

a guard. So crossed the building. A nugget for you right there, guy did right in playing sight, I thought it was a fifty six nugget and not a twenty four nugget At the time, that was my biggest thing. But I'm right there with him, no, and so I think that's the surprising thing. But guys, as you look at the fan base and and you've talked about this to Rob, everybody wanted to move Leo Collins to left guard. Nobody was was you know, they no one said anything

about that because you'd seen him do it. And even when you talk about Tyren Smith and where he is in his career as an injured Hall of Famer, future future Hall of Famer, but often injured at this point in his career, maybe that would have been the move to move him down to guard because it limits his space. Nobody can understand that perceptionally, but if you're a football player, you understand. Look, you just take that guy off the island and give him less room to work with and

help on both sides. But that's the same thing that people are thinking. That's what this this this the draft. The guys they thought, the scouts excuse me, they thought about Smith is that he could go from left tackle to left guard to a big Peters. Peters went an inside it and he went to a new team and they try to put him at left tackle. He was like, wait a minute, you gotta up the check. Yeah, the

pay Peters. It was the Eagles went to the Eagles, they had him at left guard and they were like, yeah, you know what, we'll swing, you have to tackle and he's like different places and tackle money. Yeah. And that's the same thing that you hear with Deebo and what he's doing at Alan Frisco. There's a lot of that going on. And really I just want to make sure that I don't do not forget this, but the draft really was weird this year, especially for the running back position.

I think people are talking about quarterback running back position. To me, it's really mysterious how they're trying to devalue the position. Breece Hall was one of the best running backs in the draft. I don't care. He was the best, one of the best guys in college, one of the best guys in high school. And for him to drop into the second round that was that was really trippy. But that just tells you where the NFL is going. Yeah,

running backs become a day three. Position man, it's it's day two at least, and sometimes day three because a lot of backs got taken on day three. One other thing about Tyler Smith, and Nick wrote about this yesterday on the website. He talked to Tulsa's head coach Philip Montgomery, and I heard this too that it almost changes your perspective if you were on the fence or you don't

like this pick. If he were to have transferred from Tulsa next year to a top program, which was a I don't know if it's a possibility, but teams were interested in him if he had played for a big time program next year coming from Tulsa been their starting left tackle. Where's he going in the draft next year? Though?

And I think I think when I heard that, it kind of changed my perspective of this is a very talented young guy who turned twenty one, twenty one three weeks ago, which is awesome, and he's got a transition to make. He hasn't played guards since senior year of high school, so there's a transition here. The penalties were a problem at times. That's another thing you hear about where some of that was he's knocking the crap out of guys, and that's that's that's better than technique issues

or things like or pre snap stuff. Yeah, but they can teach you. But their offense was a high temple offense, right, and they so I think I think last time I check out that he ran two hundred and fifty more plays in the next man up. Yes, So if they gave you more opportunities to have more penalties, nobody's on the island, right, You're on an island at the tackle position. Now you're gonna be sandwiching between two other three hundred plus pound man. You're not gonna have to worry about

those things. Yeah, a lot of snaps in that in that regard, You're right, and just meeting seeing him on Friday, I think Jerry Manthecparrison to Tirant. He's flows ll big. He is a huge offensive lineman. And when you think about okay, lack of experience and guard, the physical size and strength and power and nastiness, that's exactly what they wanted left guard. That's what we've been talking about. They've missed,

especially in certain matchups. So I'm not saying this pick is gonna work, but I understand the thinking, and I understand the upside, especially when you're picking in the back half of the first round. I mean, it's there's no guarantees in the twenties, you know, sometimes there's no guarantees in the team and the tens or the teens well. And it's also the fact that fans and at the time it felt like they had reached on him, and

I just get that. I get that zero reach. But he just he's not He's not Kenyan Green, he's not the names we've been talking about. Tyler Hendebaum gets picked right after, and that's another pick that, hey, we're gonna be watching in three years what happens with these picks. That's yeah, I get it. I will say the thing with the reaching, the narrative not true because Tennessee was on the phone. Tennessee was calling to trade up to

twenty four. They wanted to go offensive line. Dallas said no, thank you, hung up the phone, and then immediately Tennessee said, oh, they just took Tyler Smith, let me trade back, and they trade it out of their spot at twenty six.

So the Cowboys knew that they had their eye on Tyler Smith at least Tennessee did so other NFL teams were right there in terms of the value of where he was taking, what they were doing in the way that he fell on the back half of that first round, and so the Cowboys feel really really good about that. So with that being said, let's move on to the

second round. In third round, We're gonna bunch these two players together because I feel like both Sam Williams aka d Williams is what he wants to go by as an edge rusher in the NFL, taken at fifty six, followed by Jaylen Tilbert at eighty eight, and heckma, I mean there was talk that Tolbert would have been the pick at fifty six. How do you feel about the way that those two picks worked out for the Cowboys

in Day two? Man, I think your scout's are ecstatic that it works out that way, Especially if you have a grade on these guys, you still end up getting both of the guys that you targeted. You know, no one is able to get exactly what you want. But I think when it comes to Sam Williams, he was a guy that Jerry sent Dan Quinn to go and look at. So that to me that's another bread chrome that you kind of you didn't have to do much research. Dan Quinn's out here giving you a personal workout. Yeah,

we have interest in you. So look just like you talk about the rest of this draft. I think the really curious thing was so many guys getting drafted so high and not having the production to go with it. I call him Valentine's Day guys. But there's a lot of that where the production didn't meet where they were draft to think about when you got drafted, man, where these the way that these guys Bernie made off here. You know you would you would be happy to be

in a situation like this. But Sam Williams, to me, the production was there from college. I think he's a guy that can come into your defensive rotation. And I'm not going to call him a one trick pony, but if he is that one trick pony, he does that well. Yeah. And if I say I just hey, just pining your ears back and go after people, yeah, he can do that. And the wide receiver from Alabama what we need Alabama

South Alabama my best big difference South Alabama. Look all this tough guy talk, all that, you know, we need a guy that go get the rock. That's what we need, and that's what he does does. He goes and he gets the rock and he look for He's a superior enough route runner that I think this offense won't be hard for him to pick up. He goes and he grabs the ball, and I think, if you're a quarterback, that's your best friend. If I can trust you and

you have taping. They talk about Dak calling him, that's to me, that's all about saying, we want to make sure that we get you the right guy. And that's what I loved about Sam Tober. He just seemed like the right guy for Dallas at that pick. It's funny because you mentioned the route running and his ability to go up and get the football. I mean, they're both great, but the biggest thing for him in terms of being a Dak receiver or a guy that could fit Dad,

he creates his own separation. And that's something that a lot of times didn't necessarily work out with Amari Cooper. Mark Cooper was a great route runner, there wasn't always that big window of separation. You're hoping Jaylen Tolber could do that, much like how Amari or excuse me much, how like Ceedee Lamb and Michael Gallup have done. Yes, he can go up and get the football and he can make contested catches, but he brings separation to his game.

And Isaiah, I know you've you've talked about that at an extensive Dack's not going to throw it in the tight window. He's gonna take care of the football. Can Jaylen Tolbert help in that regard. I think he can. I think he's a shifty guy that you need if you're gonna go receiver. Obviously at that point in time. He's a style of receiver that you need. You see some of these other teams like Green Bay going with the big six four cats, and I don't think that's

what Dallas needed. I think this the trailing Burks of the world. Yeah, yeah, I don't think they need that style of receiver. I mentioned last week how Dallas needed a shifty, you know, Wes Wilker ish type guy. I don't think he's that, but I do think that he fits the mold of terms of being able to move the chains, and that's ultimate based upon his draft, that's the direction they're going. They didn't really go with on

offensively goal with anybody really explosive in that regard. They just like for guys that are gonna be sure things, sure blockers, sure catchers, move the chains. That's an interesting point. I haven't necessarily thought of it that way. I want to get your thoughts first. No, for sure, I mean, that's being Dak's best friend in terms of you know, Dak friendly, whatever you want to call it. That's to me, that's as important as any other skill you can have.

And that's what made a Maori so reliable. So and they've got to replace that. They got to replace the best route runner on the team and one of the best route runners in the league. He is explosive. He runs Jayalen Tilbert runs four four I think average eighteen yards a catch the last three years in college. So

and you're you're right, he's super competitive. Could have played at a bigger school too, he decided to kind of stay closer to home, and he got some late offers to Power five Conference teams late in the recruitment process. So yeah, and you guys mentioned Sam Williams, you know, and there's there's an off the field matter there that they had to look into. He had a sexual battery charge in twenty twenty in July that year, and the

charge was dropped two months later. Went back to school, played um that, you know, and the Cowboys looked into that, and they do look into that those types of things. Let's I know, people get skeptical about that thing, but they do. They do extensive work type of stuff they do in terms of on the field, he's got bend and he runs four four as a as an edge usher,

he could plug right into the rotation. And you know, dan Quinn's gonna has a plan in mind for how he can help because because we saw it last year, that's terrifying to think about dan Quinn and what he can do with Michael Parsons on one side, de Marcus Lawrence on another side, and then Sam Williams kind of mixed in there in between somewhere. I guess it could be it would be Williams and then Lawrence and then Parsons mixed in between. That's probably the more likely of

the three, you know. And I want to go back to something you said about this separation and Dak and this perception that Dak can't throw receivers open, and this what I want to say is that Amari Cooper is also was also a burner. He's a he was a track guy. You know, That's that was who he was, and I think a lot of people miss that when they talk about him. Dak has to the timing in this offense has to be cultivated in this offseason. You don't have the same mistake. You still don't have this

the injury element there. He can be better with his connection with his receivers and that's what I'm seeing now through OTAs and and that's gonna make the difference because he's gonna have to drive the bush. There isn't there isn't, make no mistake about it. It's not a team in the NFL that doesn't need their quarterback to be the leader of their franchise. We have one. And so all these questions about his ability and what he can and can't do. He had the number one offense in the

league last year. What you want to see them do is closed the deal. That's it. That's all you want to see them do. And that's gonna come down to availability health. You know, they were at the point where they were healthy. The running game let you down the wide receivers that you had, they didn't. They let you down as well. And so we're looking at a team right now that feels as though we got enough. They obviously feel that way, then made any moves to argue

the contract every like we obviously got enough. And so if they feel like the players that we have we lose Amar, we bring in Tobard. Okay, let's roll. Then that means that CD got a step all the way up to the play. This is a great segue because this draft gives us a clear picture, or at least I think it's a clear error picture of where this organization is going from a personnel standpoint. We're going to talk about that direction when we come back on the

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Oh my god, glad you're with us. You're talking Cowboys. Go get your tickets for Taco Fest. That sounds like a lot of fun. I wish I could go. But happy early birthday, thank you, yes birthday. Um, let's talk about the direction of this team, because Isaiah made a fantastic point in the opening segment and and a lot of the a lot of the talk, a lot of the murmurs round this draft classes that they went for toughness, size, traits, whatever you want to call it. They went for toughness

and traits. That's what they went for. And then for early parts of the draft they go get Tyler Smith, they get Dee Williams, they get Jalen Tolbert and there's the toughness. Then you go with the traits on the back end with guys like Matt will let's go or yeah, Labron Blands, John Ridgeway, Daman Clark, traits, Boom, there you go. You were talking about the way that they want to

move the football down the field on offense. Is that where the toughness comes in is moving the chains more ground and pound, not letting anyone bully you and instead becoming the bully. Because we talked about that tenacity being non existent in the playoff run, or at least the short playoff run that it was. Is this their way to try and rectify that. I don't know about them

rectifying the bully side of it. I think they want to be more consistent, and I think that's the direction that they're going with this draft and with their offseason that they've had. You pick up James Washington, what is it? He's a consistent receiver. He's a guy that's gonna catch the ball and get the first down. You're not expecting him to go run past the world. Um, you know, you look at that. You know Tolbert's the same type of guy. He's aggressive, he's gonna get in there. He's

not afraid to run block. Well, guess what you need? You need to get the ground game going. Why do you pick up Tyler Smith? Well, you need to get the ground game going, and you needed to share things up for the left guard position. Um, Sam Williams, I think you could have picked up anybody on defense, honestly, but mostly talking offense defense. I agree with you that that was all trading. Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, if you talk about Ferguson, I mean Ferguson, I think is

that he's not an explosive tight end. He's a big guy that wants to block, can block. He wants to block. What do we talk about all all season so far when they need to find some help for for Schulty. You know, Scholzenegger is not a blocker's he's a consistent catcher. He's not gonna run by you either. He's just gonna catch the ball and get a first down. Cool. It's like a pinnacle of consistency. That's what this draft seemingly is. It's not. I think fans are disappointed, probably because there's

no big highlight. There's just you know, just black markers. There's no there's no there's nothing bright and fancy and sparkly. Is just consistent, and I think I think that's what they're looking for, all right. Man, that's I love what you're saying, because you're saying, we need a dude, you know, give me a dude that I know I can trust to be the player that we've seen him be on tape.

Everybody that you're showing me, you're projecting. You're basing it off of the potential of the player, and nobody wants to hear that. We want to know that you can come in and you can get the job done. And that's why the draft is so interesting. No one knows this guy Smith can come in and be everything that you need at left guard. Sam Williams is not going to be the guy that you you put everything on him to be successful. At edge, you have those guys already.

You have a Dante Fowler. People don't want to hear that, but Dan, if you trust dan Quinn, then you trust the decisions that he even made during this draft. I think the defense is going to be ten times better the two under two years of Dan Quinn, and I trust that. Offensively, we just need to get this running game going. That's look, there's no other way to particularly put this together than to say, look, this offense has to run better, especially in the latter half. We've been

cursed by the curse of December. Now it's just the last eight games of the season that we have to get and find that rhythm. We were the healthiest team in the NFC and still found a way to get bounced out of the first round. So with the players that you have, the roster that you're putting together, you the front office is saying to me, I trust what I have and I'm willing to go to war based off of the schedule that we have. And guys, we play some teams this year, and so it's gonna be

the team that you're going to war with. It's based off of Jalen Tolbert and company, all right, and you need Ceedee Lamb to be the ultimate best part of himself. Yeah, for sure. I think if you're a fan in you your skeptical of this draft and if just cool about just everything they do. Why is it every time you say that word, I immediately think of David Hellman. I don't know why he would probably take that as a company. You could point to what we just talked about, like

Isaiah talking about the sharpie and you're just checking off boxes. Yeah, and I'm not patting myself on the back because nobody asked me over there. But when I do my and I'd said this last week, I'm pretty basic with my mock drafts. Like I just I'm basic in general. But when I go down, I go down the list and I say in order, like here's you know, here's the here's the needs basically in order, and okay, here's a guy that could fit here and here and hear my mock.

I didn't get any of the names right, but I had the positions right, I think in the first four rounds and maybe five of my initial And my point is that never happens. That never happens because usually they'll surprise you with a pick of a BPA guy. And I think fans might look at this draft and say, did they really do that or did they just did they reach? Did they go for knee needs at every round?

And they say no, they said that every everybody on Day three was a value pick, like was a fourth round or better, except for Ridgeway, who was a fifth round grade and even then a lot of people had him as a third or a fourth. Yeah, so they say they feel like they got value and need at the same time. And I think that's that's an accomplishment in itself. Will see how it plays out if guys

can step in and play and help. But to your point about a Heck's point about getting stronger, getting tougher mindset, I definitely think that was a factor. You guys mentioned the offense, and Tyler Smith can hopefully helps the run game immediately with that. On defense, Jerry spoke specifically about the Ridgeway pick, the deep tackle out of Arkansas, how he said we got big boyd in the playoffs basically, and Mike was sitting there during the Day three talking

about remember the playoffs. Remember the playoffs. They got out physical in that game, and there's other games you can point to Denver, Kansas City where they did too offense and defense. I do think there's something to that. Like there, they just went and drafted another three hundred twenty pound plus guy to help kind of be Brent Urban, to help stuff the run. They're trying to get stronger and tougher inside on both lines and we'll see if it

works out. And that's what I felt about the Ridgeway pick. I felt like that was the answer to Brent Urban's because when he went out I believe it was a tricept injury that that took him out. There's there's something happened to us at the line of scrimmage, and it

it wasn't enough presence. His presence. I think it really did deter a lot of guys from running on us, and that's when you started to see those teams those Denver was pretty much one of the first teams that I saw have that kind of success, like we can't stop them right now on the run and in the playoffs, it just felt as though we can't stop them. You need that, and you get a young, big body like Ridgeway that had a third round grade, there's no way

you can't be excited about that. I really like Ridgeways, so I don't I don't mean this in a bad way, because I do. I think he I think in terms of the value picks that they had in the drafty, they grabbed a good guy there on the back side of it, and he's Arkansas boy, and he's an Arkansas boy. That's fine. It's only the second guy they've ever taken out of Arkansas. There's no bias there. It's the first time since two thousand and eight. Felix Jones is the

last time. So I'm saying it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt now. So he brings the tough, toughness, he brings the physicality. Does it worry you in the fact that I agree completely with the way you just outlined that, Heckman, because of the Denver game, I'm thinking about the playoff game.

They waited till the fifth round to address that not only the fifth round, but their fourth pick in the fifth round to try and address a big time problem there is that still a hole after this draft is their run defense and their toughness on the interior of that defensive line. That's that's exactly what I meant by dan Quinn another year of his system. I think you get a lot of that taken care of, because the argument before is that they the Cowboys only need a

middle of the road defense to be successful. Or you were the middle of the road last year and now with some more picks and you look, we still hadn't gotten the camp and they're gonna be teams that's gonna let guys go. And as the front office has said, you know, we're not done in free agency either, so I expect for us to still be able to get guys that may be a bridge player, but be a guy that can come in and impact your team. We thought that, uh, you know, the frequent nephew is going

to be a bridge player. Curse jerun curse. Yeah, you know, he thought he was gonna be a bridge player. He wasn't. He ended up being exactly what you needed on defense. We haven't addressed the free safety position. Really, if you think about it, we have a guy that's coming off an achilles injury that had an okay season, But what is it going to be for him to be have

another year in dan Quo assist dan Quinn system. So if we've put all this trust in him, I have to trust him as well and say that the defense can be better. Isaiah, what do you think about that that side of the defense? That tenacity and what they did to kind of cover some of those holes. Uh, I would have liked to see them be a little bit more aggressive at the linebacker position. Honestly, I think linebacker an interior the lineman to me, was more of

a necessity than a defensive end personally. I don't think I mentioned this last week. There aren't that many dominant defensive ends in this league. They just aren't. And most of them, most of the ones that are very dominant, they're playing on the same teams. There's a handful of teams, right the AFC, the AFC West took all them. Yeah, it's so Raiders, Yeah, you know Raiders Chargers. I mean they have four of the guys, right, So, I mean,

I mean there's just not that many of them. So I understand the them wanting to say, Okay, that's a position that we need to get some more depth at. But personally, I think there were more effective players in this particular draft that didn't have a lot of guys that were very explosive and you know, come, jump off the screen type guys that we had opportunities go grab that I think would have had a greater impact on this team right now. Yeah, anybody specific that you wanted,

I mean, no, let's go for it. So Isaiah you you mentioned it last week. Yes, you talked about how you had a wish list, short list of guys that you really wanted to go to. And we'll talk about the rest of the NFC in a little bit, especially the NFC East. One of those teams selected that guy off your wish list, and that was mister Nakobe Dean, who's going to Philadelphia. He was selected by the Eagles. What was it in a fourth round eighty three? It

was Okay, how does that make you feel angry? But this is a therapy session for all of Okay, it made me feel very angry, Kyle Um Okay, reason being, I think everybody expected him to be gone in the first round. I don't think there's anybody that thought otherwise. Now throughout the draft, we found out more information about there being injuries him not wanted to get surgeries, blase blase, and he continued to fall being that you never thought that you even had a shot at him. Right, you

need to address old line. You had one first round pick. Okay, you take care of you old line. You gotta get him, Okay, that dude's still sitting around kind of crazy. We're gonna go take care of our defensive end position because that's what we really want to do here in Dallas. We lost Randy Gregor. We feel like, oh we have a big, gaping hole down, so let's get the defensive end. Okay, cool,

All right, Um, he's still around. You have three first round, three, fifth round, four, fifth round picks that you could have could have could have shot shot shot the dice ad and moved up to go grab him, but no, another team grabs him five picks before you in the third round.

He to me, was one of the few players in this draft that was just physical, specimen, explosive, just I don't want to face that guy type of type of dude on defense, and you had an opportunity, which we have a whole because we have we have a Jabril Clocks that we drafted last year that's coming off of ACL So we don't know how explosive he's going to be. We know he's gonna get back healthy, but do we know if he's going to be as explosive as what we was he was when we drafted him. No, that's

that's a big question mark. You have an opportunity to go grab a player that you know nobody wants to face that was a complete terror. If you have a question mark on Shabril Cox, wouldn't you have a bigger question mark on a guy who has a shoulder shoulders because I've had three shoulder surgeries, you see, but he hadn't even had so shoulder surgery and he refuses to get shoulder surgery. I think he might have been misguided

by his agent, And that's all speculation. Maybe they have more information than I'm sure they have more information than I have to say. Yeah, I hope so, But I look at it from this. From this, for this potential, you have vander ash that you resigned, that you put in the middle or you know, Yeah, Vandersh's in the middle. Okay, he's he's a big block, six four, two fifty plus. Okay, he's not going anywhere you need him to come downhill neck Roland All. You have a guy outside of him

that you drafted last year at Aka to Bozuka. That's a complete tarrant that can walk down at the line of scrimmage. But his position is outside linebacker. Correct. You could have put an Kobe Dean on the opposite side of vanders So you could have had an Akobe Dean,

vander Ash and Michael Parsons at the second level. Who who is working up to the second level and getting those guys Michael Parsons of Nikobe Deane running sideline the sideline is a complete, absolute worst case scenario at the second level for any team that plays against Dallas Cowboys. I don't disagree with you that they the linebacker depth doesn't look nearly as deep as it did last year. I will say a lot of times they're last year,

they're playing two linebackers and they're playing three safeties. And Jayron Curse, I don't they don't call him a linebacker, but he's might as well. And if you look at the snaps, you know, like vander esh is getting fifty something percent of the snaps and I'm blanking on on Keanu Neeil is getting about half the snaps. So the way they play their defense, maybe they don't view it as as much of a need. If you got Jeron Krison ever comes off the field, to your point, he's

a terrific Kobe Dean's a terrific talent. And Kyle mentioned some of the injuries Labram Kneed tendonitis. Apparently, according to reports, the peck all those things is why he dropped. Yeah, right now, Yeah, but taking but taking into account, I know you're going towards the scheme, and I understand what you're saying. How often did we do exactly what you wanted us to do last year, which was putting Michael

Parsons at the defensive imposition? Well, yeah, you move him around, you move him around, and all of a sudden, you don't have Michael Parsons at a second level. But had you had to know Kobe Dean, you could put Michael Parsons at the defensive in position and bring to Kobe Dean in at this linebacker and now you have vander esh and to Kobe Dean at the second level. This is literally preaching to the choir because I was willing to take the Kobe Dean with the first bit, Yeah,

it's on your side. No. So my my problem with once he started to fall and I didn't even hear about the injury issues until after, seriously, and that shocked me that he fell past the first round, the first round and then in the second round have I'm like, well something something, something just happened, and then that you

start to hear the murmurs. I believe that the Cowboys obviously had to have done their research, just like all the other teams did their research, because not only do you have a physical presence that you're talking about, the kid is smart, yeah, and you need, especially in the dan Quinn's defense, you need a smart player like a Nikobe Dean. Let's not even talk about Nikobe dan Let's talk about the Bobby Wagners that we don't sign, the other guys that we had an opportunity to sign because

we basically deemed that position as a need. Obviously, they know something about the way that they're going to use that position that we don't know because they're not signing linebackers. They didn't go through. And the linebacker that they got is a guy that's going to actually be a project for next year next year because of the back fall. That's a great I was just gonna say the dart that they threw was Damon Clark in the fifth round, who might have been Kyle I don't know, third round

pick if he was healthy. I had him as a top sixty players, top sixty players. I had a second round grade on the guy and a late second round grade. And I'm not gonna say that's not a calculated risk either, because you know, spinal fusion, that's no joke to come back from and play that position. Layton vander esh is back from from having that kind of surgery, so they

have experience with it. You know, you just prove. You're just proving this point because he's like, let me sacrifice one of these fifths to get the guy that you can come in and play right now. But that's that's that's a fifth round that's a fifth round pick by itself. Then giving up a fifth round pick and a top one hundred pick to go and do it. That's the other thing you're you're paying a previoum price. And you mentioned his speed and like the ability to go sideline

the sideline, that's great. He's five eleven. Sure he can run around five eleven two hundred and thirty pounds. He is a small linebacker. You drafted a guy in Sam Williams who's six foot three, two hundred and sixty pounds and ran a four four six. N Kobe d didn't run a forty. But you know what his league guest dement was on his forty And it's right here. You can look at it. It's on the a TP sheets. Try here, four four six is his guests. That's what

they want, that's what they thought he would run. Yes, can I raise my hand? Okay? So forty is a great statistic. It's a great thing for the combine, and sometimes it equates to field an actual game speed and sometimes it doesn't. Nobody's talking about how how how nasty of a player and how dominant player Sam Williams. There's no distress. Williams broke the single season record of Noman. Nobody talks about him in the same conversation as a

Nakobe Dan. No disrespect, no disrespect. I'm talking about the potential to have a Michael Parsons and then Kobe Dan at the second level on the same team. That is nasty. You don't want to face it. But if the guy comes in with a peck and everybody doctor Cooper, who is a master of sewing stuff up, and you have him sew it up, and you don't think Cooper was a part of this process, I understand, and I get it. I get it, and I'm sure there's a reason why

I understand. There's a reason why they didn't make the decision. I get it. I'm just talking about the potential. No, you're not. I'm talking about the potent, just like Philadelphia thought about the potential. I just think they were Yeah, I just think they couldn't pass on it. They didn't pass on it. Dallas is taking the safe route this draft. That's what they did. Understand it, America are saying they did. They didn't take anything that was sparkly. Even if it

falls in your lap. Last year, last year, things fail in your lap. Last year things fell on your lap. The year before that, things fell in your lap, and you took it and some of that and it worked out for you. Some of that where you're picking too, but it worked out for you. Everything to do Ceedee Lamb filling your lap, Give me that, Michael Parsons failing your lap. Give me that Kobe d filing your lap.

Get away. I don't. I don't fault them from the pure football perspective, taking an edge rusher going in the top two rounds because I said this last week, like, if you want to get a guy and you don't, I don't know how you. I forget kind of how you feel about life after Randy Gregory, what that position looks like. But if you want to try to upgrade there, you can't wait till day three. But you guys know how I feel about the position. Randy Gregory's not in

the conversation of the greats in this league. No, but he he was. He's not. I'm just not. But he's a person that I'm worried about games. He's a He's a guy that I'm worried about maybe twice a game. That's not that's not disrespect him, that's just what it is. There's maybe two plays a game that he just totally wrecks it. For you, you're just like crap fifty eight more then then that tells you how the organization viewed Randy Gregory's absence with them going into the second round

and getting an edge rusher. They were solid on Sam Williams, and who knows if they had signed Randy, would they have signed Okay with that option be more of a more lexibility to get a guy like Nikobe dam I think all of those things kind of played into the equation and that's why they didn't take. I just I just I just understand dan Quinn's system. Obviously, you guys know, I've understood it for a long time, and I understand what the addition, He'll He'll be fine, the Devas will

be fine. But the threat of those guys and that speed and that tenacity, what that could have been in a dan Quinn system would have been an absolute terror. Because other teams in our division that we're about to talk about just they just leveled up and they said we're gonna be a terror. Let's talk about it. On the other side of the break. What did the nfcast teams do that upgraded their ball club? And how did

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I like it. I don't have to be the one he's jacked up on creatine you to day. I'm telling you what well I told he's got on the one of those outfits with the muscles in the shirt and the pads in the shirts. How many protein bars you have for breakfast? Morning with your nails? None yet with your nails just straight jack. He's worked out four times already today. At least need to work out. Yeah, so

work out come. The rest of us need to work Come get on my weight plan so you can get compared to the march I had worked out in the get out of muscles popping through the shirt. One quick news item o, Go okay, um breaking news cowboys agreed to terms with and everybody's probably seen it by now.

Twenty twenty rookie free agents, undrafted, Yeah, undrafted guys and uh we'll not be official, won't sign until next week after the guys undergo physicals and all that stuff, and the mini camp is next weekend, so thirteenth through the fifteenth, right, thirteen to fifteenth. Yeah, I think that's right. And so once to sign this group of guys, they're gonna have to make I think two roster moves probably next week. Okay, by next week. Good to know, good to know, So

we'll keep an eye on that. I think next week we're gonna outline some of the undrafted free agents, talk about rookie Meti Caamp. We're gonna get more in detail next week about the back half of these picks, but we wanted to kind of outline the first two rounds or first three rounds and what direction this Cowboys team is heading in. But what about the direction of the division as well? Uh uh. Let's start with the New York Giants. Cabon Thibadeau with fifth pick, just a massive player,

my top player in the draft. They get him a number five edge rusher out of Oregon. At number seven. They turn around and they draft their favorite offensive tackle, MYOT three, Evan Neil out of Alabama. So they upgrade both of their edges offensive line edge and their defensive line edge. And then they had a couple of guys on the back end, Darian Beaver's linebacker from Cincinnati, Wandale Robinson out of Kentucky. Probably your Cadarius Tony replacement if

you really wanted to get into it. They snagged Joshua Zudu, who was an interior offensive lineman out of North Carolina that was a thirty visit Bellinger for the Cowboys. And then they did take Daniel Bellinger who was a tight end target for the Cowboys. So overall, what are we thinking about the Giants draft just with those names off the board? Heckma, Well, I mean, Thibodeaux is a player that I think is going to be impactful. He raised Hell, He's on a lot of people's draft board. He's the

first guy that should have been taken. Superior athlete he is, He's quick. You talk about bend All, he has all of the intangibles. Will he work in that system with the new coaching staff yet to be seen, But I do feel like he's a He's a player that we're gonna have to deal with. Man and a lot of these guys and a lot of these different uh, for a lot of the NFC's teams, I don't want to have to deal with. But here we are, you know, the tight end was the position was where I felt

like they got tremendously better. The kid out of San Diego State is he really is and he is everything that the kid that they had there before from Old miss wasn't you know. Um And he's big, He block, pass catcher, all of those things. So that's one of the picks that I've really paid more attention to. But I like him as an edge and and Neil is such a big kid. I just remember looking at my

television on Saturday's going what is his mom's grocery bill? Like, you know, he's six eight, three hundred and seventeen pounds. I mean, how the receipt is like out there? Get how big? And you have something to compare it to. You have a high schooler now or what's about to be a high schooler who's gonna play football and he's not. But I'm just saying, that's what I'm saying. Compare that

to Evan Neil. That's a big human being. And so I mean they got they really did get better and I felt I'm sure that they felt good about their draft, but the middle of the draft was probably kind of like I was like, who's that guy? What's that guy? You know? But at the positions that they need to get better at. It was definitely offensive line in edge Russia.

I feel confident in those picks. What do you think about it, Rob, Yeah, I totally agree, and I'm I thought about when when Isaiah was with the Giants, like they've always when they've been really good, they've had great edge guys in the trenches both sides, especially on the

defensive side, to get to the quarterback. So that's, you know, it's important the Cowboys hit on the picks that they made um and for Evan Neil, like, that's you're trying to evaluate your quarterback position in New York and one more year for Daniel Jones to get it done and then we'll see what they do from there. But that that's been a problem for them for years as their offensive line protection. So that was I think that was

a really solid pick for them. Welcome to the league, Tyler Smith, because you've not only got Cabon Thibodeau as a guy maybe in the future if you swing out the tackle that you're gonna have to face twice a year. But you've also got Federian mathis the interior defensive lineman that went to Washington twice a year while you're at guard. And then on the other side. Oh yeah, by the way,

Jordan Davis goes to Philadelphia first round pick. Philadelphia not only making one first round pick, but they traded another one for A J. Brown. So I can already see the face. It was in our text group that night. There's a lot of frustration from all of us. I think we all love Jordan Davis as a as a as a draft prospect. He can't just mention him by himself anymore, right, you can't understand that he just got drafted. He's no longer can be just a solo. He can't

be an individual. He is now attached to Fletcher Cox. He's the understudy. He is the next man up. But also side by side, side by side, different gaps, but they're gonna be side by side. YEA. If Jordan Davis and Fletcher Cox are walking down the sidewalk you across the street. Absolutely, absolutely that's what happened. You get out of the way. This is a massive humanity. I sat down with with All with an all pro officivelignement yesterday evening, who used to play for the Dallas Cowboys, and I

asked him, what is the game plan? What's the game plan if you were playing today? If what will be your game plan going against Jordan Davis and Fletcher Cox. He looked away, you know, he could he's no, he's no punk. Now he had Pro Bowls or something like that. Came back, you know, and I was like, yeah, I mean, you could try to do this, or you could try to do that. But I'm like, yeah, that's an attempt.

This is a pro bowler, multi pro bowler telling me that there's no good game plan against seven hundred pounds of grown man. That's angry and that's athletic and fast and strong. Yeah. Oh by the way, sorry, I know we just finished talking about Nakobe Dean. He's behind them. Oh no, you know so much for what people have said about Nakobe Dean. He you know, what kind of linebacker is he gonna be without George Davis in front of him? Man? You know what my answer is, I

guess we'll never know. In the words of Kanye West, we'll never know what it. I mean, these guys are and imagine how he can run and what Jordan Davis is going to meet for him, those that linebacking group. It really takes a lot of the pressure off of you when you have guys like that that are gobbling up blocks. And that's why Ridgeway is so important. And that's why you want bo Hannah to turn the curve to be that kind of guy up front, because you

need those kinds of space eaters. That's what has That's what Boo Philly has always had on us. Man, They've always had us. How dangerous. And I don't want to talk about Hall of Famers because everybody wants to make a clear comparison. I just want everybody to think about the freedom that Ray Lewis had as a player. Why did he have that freedom because he had Tony Sarah goosea in front of him. When he didn't have Tony Sarah Goose in front of him, he made sure he

had a Sam Adams in front of him. Yeah, when he didn't have a Sam Adams in front of him, he made sure he had. They got some young dude because they went without that for a minute and he started getting beat up for a little bit and he was like, screw this, I need a big boy in front of me. Oh okay, we'll draft Helodi Nada. Yeah. It works, it's it's it really is a formula that work. You think in the draft room, the Cowboys were just saw that pick and we're like, oh, Tyler, he doesn't matter,

Tyler Smith, He's got to be the pick. Baltimore. Baltimore was the next pick, right, No, I'm talking about Dallas. Was like, all right, Smith, get in here. You gotta counter that with you know, Tyler Smith, whos three hundred plus pounds, yeah, six four three twenty five. And then you So you feel pretty good about Tyrn, feel pretty good about Terrence Steele size wise, you feel pretty good about Zack Martin and probably Tyler Smith at your left

guard spot. I'm sorry, Tyler, I'm sorry you have one of these guys on each side of your eyeball. Each eyeball you have doesn't matter. Jordan Davis. Yeah, because if I'm Jordan Davis, I'm the defensive coordinator. I say, line up right over Tylert. I'm talking about nose to nose. I want to know what he had for lunch. Yeah, I want you to report back to me. That's how close I want you to him. It's salad. Yeah, and he's gonna know because he's gonna be all up in

his business. It's gonna be tough, you know. I mean, you gotta you got a lot to deal with upfront. And I think that's what, like you said. That's why twenty four they said, you know, hey, turn this picking quickly, get it done, Get it done, three twenty five. We need all of that. Not to mention the AJ Brown. It's part of their draft class sort of talking. They got better, man, they got that. That's why I said, what did we do to in the sea for them

to trade him? And then they almost tried to trade up and take the guy that we wanted at twenty four because they were on the phone. Philadelphia watched the Rams last year, pure and simple. They watched. They're tired of it, they're tired of the conversation that we've been having. Let's plan for the future, let's set our future. Screw

the future, yeah, screw the future. The futures now. They didn't even really do that though they had in a sense draft capital and they've got two first round picks next year. Absolutely they did. But but they but in a sense they said screw the future because they said, we'll pay well, you guys don't want to pay him twenty five million dollars a year. We'll do it. We'll do it. You know what happened. Yeah. Absolutely, They're gonna

give Jalen Hurts every opportunity to succeed. And if it doesn't work out, we have ever said, you got more darts in the first round, maybe to go get a quarterback? Yeah, CJ. Stroud on the way, you got Bryce Young on the way. You got guys at quarterback next year that will be much heftier. Don't be surprised if they make a move. They're gonna make another move. Yeah, they go They're gonna make another move. Yeah, because look at the look at the AMMO that you have. You have a ready made team.

And how much longer is Flecchercock's gonna pay. Yeah, he's probably done after this. They're probably gonna trade Nager shooting your shot. I guarantee you to Egan's point, they are gonna make another move that makes the freaking They're they're going for it. They're going forward. This was the start of it. It's because they see that the divisions in reach and the Cowboys are the hunted. Now they are the hunted. And we're gonna talk about the rest of

that offseason. OTA's couple of months away, and then we've got rookie minicamp. Now we talk about the Manders. Yeah, oh, I mentioned Darius Mathis. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna call them. The man They went and got Johan Dotson as a wide receiver, pretty good pick their first round. Gonna add some firepower to Terry McLaurin and that wide receiving corps. But that's I mean Sam Howe in the late rounds, Brian Robinson junior. They went almost all skilled to a

certain extent. They added to that d line one Maths. That was the thing, that was the best big thing. Yeah, they love Alabama, guess they do. But really, I think the Cowboys, the Giants, the Eagles all had decent drafts. I mean, Philadelphia and New York had great drafts. Let's just say it that way. So things get interesting in the NFC East, and we've got an entire offseason to break it down for you here on talking Cowboys. That's gonna do it for us this week. We'll see you

next Tuesday. For Chris being, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back, heck Ma Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll see you next week. From the Star and Frisco. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.