Talkin' Cowboys: Draft Picks; Lee's Greatest Hits

Dallas Cowboys insider along with myself. April fourteenth, twenty twenty was that day. April twenty six, twenty twenty one is the first day that all four make it in studio. It's a party on Talking Cowboys in the person, in the flash. We are here and we are ready to roll the time. It's about time. Goodness gracious, and it sounds great. We're not gonna have anybody lag out of the chat. We're not gonna have any technical issues. We are just firing on all cylinders Robs, Rob Phillips. We

did have one in person show last season. We did and r V show outside us at Costito's Plaza. Yes, Sir, Isaiah and heck actually met in person for the first time that day. That's how challenging this has been logistically, but hey, that's you know, that's life, and we're making it work. It's so refreshing to not only have it out there with FunTown RV and that was so much fun.

But it was like for two days and we were like, oh man, we want more, and we had to go back to the you go back to the web ax, we had to go back to the virtual. But Isaiah, we're here. We are here, We're here in back in person. Glad to have Heckla back. I mean, Isaiah's been in a couple times hectually. You're the only one that hasn't been in here since COVID started, right, Yeah, I've been feeling like that's been something against me, right And that's

why I'm not sitting down. That's why I'm not sitting down because I don't know when they're gonna come through the door and say I don't like Oh man, I'm I'm so looking forward to this and and of course we will hopefully have this for the rest of the off season and head into the twenty twenty one campaign

as well. So super excited about that. So glad that everyone around Talking Cowboys that has listened to the show previously has stuck with us too, because we know it's hard to listen to some time times and we know that it's not necessarily the best quality, but now the quality is here and we're ready to roll. The happiest person about this is Chris Beam next time the question easy, so true, I'll be yeah, And he can talk now

on the on the show, so true. I'm easily second in line for that, just having the host these shows. But man, we are pumped about this, but we do have some breaking news to go to right off the top, fitting that we're all in all in studio for this. But Rob tell us what this breaking news is and what just came down in Dallas Cowboys land as of about what three minutes ago, Yeah, Todd Archer VSPN has

the scoop. Shawn Lee is set to retire after what ten seasons with the Cowboys and some questions about his future for what the second third straight off season. So you know, Cowboys haven't officially announced it. I would expect an announcement coming up here. If not today, then sometime this week and man end of a really good career that could have been, you know, it could have been a Hall of Fame type career if he had just been able to stay on the field a little bit more.

But still a really good career. And you talk about ten seasons, fourteen interceptions, You had the tackles, the leadership, the locker room presence. I mean, what was the biggest thing that you're going to remember about Seawan Lee's career, Isaiah, when you look at what he leaves behind in Dallas, off top is just the leadership, right, those are versations

that you hear um. Obviously, he's a good player, but the main thing that you really hear when his name comes up is the fact that he led the team and everybody responded to him, and everybody respected him, and he was that voice in a locker room even when he was unable to be on the field, which I know all too well about being able to unable to be on the field. You mean, you still heard how important it was for him to have a presence even being on the sideline. And that's just not something that

you hear about from every guy. Yeah, same for me, leadership, you know, leading by example, doing it the way it's supposed to be done. Professional on the field and off the field. You know, I love guys like that. You know, they're all about their careers and making other people better. And even when he was hurt, you saw what he was doing on the sidelines making guys better end game. So I mean, I'm man Sean Lee is going to be someone one that will be remembered and probably a

staple for years to come. As that's the word cornerstone, all right, that's the guy that you only reserved cornerstone for guys like Sean Lee and what he's done. You know, he said after the or late in the season and something to the effect of, I still feel like I have a lot left to give, So you know, maybe he changed his mind. Cowboys have a new defensive staff coming in basically or an altar staff with dan Quinn. You know, they bring in Neil from Atlanta, who's more

of a dan Quinn guy. Maybe that factored into it to a certain degree. They still need linebacker depth though. The week of the draft. I mean, that's that's stop without question, that's one of them. Yeahs, as we've talked about quite a bit of wo and debated quite a bit on this show, so you know, we'll see what happens at one stat though Kyle wanted to point out, I just looked it up. He's eighth all time in

Cowboys tackles all time. Darren Woodson's number one. He's got Darren's got about three hundred and eighty tackles on him all time. Sean I looked it up mostly by injury. He missed fifty seven games in his career, including an entire season in twenty fourteen, and he plays one eighteen out of those fifty seven games. I mean, he could have added fifty seven on top of one eighteen, probably would have been the all time leading tackler, you know, and probably you know, Ring of Honor, Hall of Fame,

all that stuff. But he's still I think, got everything every ounceide of his career that he could. And he probably can rest easy knowing that. What is the biggest memory or the best memory you're gonna have of Sean Lee specifically because I mean, he had some of the big biggest stops I think in that in that time period. But I don't want to necessarily remember Sean Lee as

a what if because he was a fantastic player. I mean, we that's one of the reasons why we're taking a chance to talk about breaking news on draft week about him retiring, because he's that good of a player. He just never was on the field as much as you would like. But what's your biggest memory, best memory when it comes to Shun Lee. I don't really have one specifically, to be honest with you. Um, I just I just respect the fact that he was so so highly regarded. Yeah,

not only on his team, but a round the league. Um. And yeah, I think that that's a that's a testament to who he is, not only as a person, but as a player as well. So, UM, I don't have one specific thing. Um, but you know, you just you you you can feel how important he is to his entire organization and guys just don't have that impact. You know. I'm gonna be so ticked off of myself after this because I'm I'm trying to think of a Sean Lee moment. I can't think of one. I mean, he's just tough

as nails. I mean, you know, he's a guy that's gonna bring it every time from his rookie season on and you talk about missing fifty seven games. You know, he did everything that he possibly could to get back on the field. I remember the times and he got hurt and I believe it was OTAs that he tores knee up and twenty fourteen. I mean that was a bummer because he was right there on the cusp, you

could tell. And it's set him back that injury. So I don't want to want that to be the thing that I remember about him because he was so solid on the field. Two time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro. And you mentioned the twenty thirteen season before the injury, and they tore an ACL in twenty fourteen. Yet four interceptions as a linebacker, I mean four picks as a linebacker. If you put that kind of productivity on this Cowboys defense right now, we would explode with excitement. Yeah, that's

a playmate, would be everything you've ever wanted. So, of course fifty is gonna be missed on the field. What's next for him? Rob? Do you think he's a coach? Yeah? Yeah, I don't. I don't know where. I mean, you know, the Cowboys staff is what it is at this point. Sure an offer would come from this direction right. If not here, I could see him coaching high school. I could see him coaching Peewee Pop Warner College. You name it like to me, he it's it's a Jason Witten

type thing. Like he's got to be around football in some capacity, and I think he will be at some point. And McCarthy, Mike McCarthy said late in the season, they've even kind of had those conversations, not necessarily here, but just you know, you're you're ripe for this type of of life if you want to do it, if you want to put in the hours, which it's a lot of hours, and he's made a lot of money. It doesn't have to do it if you don't want to.

Jason Witten needs a defensive coordinator at our guy, Liberty Christian. I'm sure he's probably hired one already, but that guy's not Sean Leey. So if he wanted to go coach in the area, are you taking people's positions? I'm sorry, man. Yeah, Sean Lee. Sean Lee retiring after eleven seasons in the NFL, ten healthy ones with the Dallas Cowboys, and we of course wish Shan Lee the best, and it does present a bit of a need and put some magnifying glass

on that linebacker spot. Isaiah's already perked up at closer luck. Oh you want to talk about linebacker now? Oh my god, what does happening? So after the Cowboys take a corner a tenth overall, whenever we have a chance to get back into the top of the first round, go, let's talk about trades. How about that? Which is more likely whenever the NFL Draft comes up on Thursday, a trade

up or a trade down? And We've mentioned this on a couple other shows, but I want to hear your thoughts because trading up would take draft capital, but it would put you in a better position to take maybe either one of those corners or maybe if you think Michael Parsons is going to fly off the board beforehand. And I'm saying that specifically for Isaiah standback, But do you think it's more likely for with a trade up or a trade down scenario? Trading down of course, taking

those extra picks. I'm going with trade down. I think where we're at, I don't think financially we can really afford to me to me picks that are higher up than where we're already at. That's a good point talking about just even draft a lot men and salaries that are to those higher picks. Absolutely right, So I think we're gonna struggle even with the tenth pick we decided to stay there trying to fit that in there. But I think trading down obviously in getting that equity right,

getting those getting that young talent. Obviously, we all recognize that we have a depth issue at a number of positions, and the best way to fill those depth issues is obviously getting some young talent that you can get down there in the second round things of that nature. So I think you give up a top ten pick, and you go down there and you pick up, you know, a couple a couple of second round picks and maybe even third round pick, you know, in addition to what

you already have. Yeah, you know what. I just think that this is this draft is so hard to gauge because of COVID and and it's still it's going to be reacing habit on all the draft departments because of the whole evaluation process. But I would definitely trade back. There isn't a player that I can think of that I would trade that. He's just can't miss guy. But you know, obviously we're not in the the back of market um and even for Kyle Pitts. And that's where

everybody is thinking, like what if, what if? What if? What if? And if it's true that you know, mister Jones is enamored with Kyle Pitts and that does happen, it wouldn't surprise me, But that would be a thing I would be that would be heard about the draft capital that we'd have to give up because we need so many different things. What about Seul would you trade would you trade up to get him? Though? Because I know usually people don't trade up to get office alignment.

But if you get a solid office alignment and add him to what you already have a healthy officer of Dalla dallas Ky Cowboys office align, you throw him in the mix. Not only do you protect your man number four, but you also accelerate the production of number twenty one behind there as well. So we're just bringing this up now, that's the first time we've ever heard anybody on this show talk about a tackle going. No what I'm saying if if we're talking about treating how later not soon?

That's true? It's because Seuel seems a little out of reach and just just to go along with your point. And we did a mock draft, first round mock draft on the Draft Show this morning, and out of those top ten picks, Penney sol went number five overall, Michael Parsons went number nine, and you had Slater available at ten. Of course, David Hellman, who made the pick for the Draft Show, picked Patrick's or Tan because he thinks that

would be the selection. But Rob, if there is that, if Pinney soool is that high on the board and there is that player up there, could you go trade with somebody like Cincinnati or like Atlanta maybe to go and try and make that pick or what did you rather do that? For a generational type of talent like Kyle Pitts, Me and Hecker on the same board here, Kyle Pitts is gonna go four to Atlanta and we don't have to talk about it anymore. I mean, I can't wait for that. That's where we went in the

mock draft as well. Yeah, I mean I think they're gonna make that move. I think they're in a perfect spot of just sit and wait and see what happens. I mean, I don't think tackle even though it is a need long term. I don't view tackle as they gotta go up to get one. If they were more concerned about Tyrn Smith than Lyle Collins, fine, but I think right now they can sit there and wait and see. Maybe the first defensive player off the board comes to

them at ten. It's possible that it's that it's all offense one through nine, and even if one of the top two corners goes it, say eight, they could still have their pick there. If both are still there, maybe you trade back, which you know, and still get a guy that you really like. If they have kind of a cluster of guys they really like. I think trade

back is probably the most logical possibility. And you're gonna have so many offers on draft day for that ten spot because things are gonna fall not I mean even all the mock drafts and everyone has someone different one through ten. Sure, but if some one of these quarterbacks that say a New England wants or if someone wants to come up and get a future quarterback, we're in a prime position to give that up and get extra

picks in this draft. Maybe you know, get you another get you another number one pick, get two number ones and How angry would you be though? In Cowboys Nation, how angry would you be if you trade it out of the top ten? I wouldn't be. It depends on who's there where you trade back. How far would you trade back? Yeah? How far you trading back? Yeah, I want to ask the question. Yeah, I mean it would probably most likely. How often do you have a top ten pick? Not a lot, not often, not often. I

mean Zeke and was Mo top ten? Yeah, he was traded. They traded up to six. So yeah, it's only blaying a couple of times this last fifteen years. Yeah. The most likely trade back partners would be the Chargers at thirteen, Patriots at fifteen, maybe the Raiders at seventeen if they want to do something crazy, Washington at nineteen, and then

Chicago at twenty. You're probably not gonna do Washington because you don't want to give them their franchise quarterback because that's what they would trade up for, and Gruten's not trading out of that position. Yeah, you would probably think somebody there. He ended up taking jam And Davis, the linebacker out of Kentucky, with that pick in our mock draft earlier at thirteen at seventeen seventeen okay, still very high, but yeah, but seventeen was where he ended up making

that pick. But there were a player just some of the names that went after Jalen Waddle, Elijah Veritucker, Christian Derrisau, Davante Sman, Jasey Horne, jam and Davis Quitti Pay, Jeremiah Usu Cormoa, and Rashod Bateman. Those were ten through twenty in our picks. There's a lot of good players that

Phil needs there. But it doesn't make you more comfortable moving back only if only if they don't care you know who they get at that point, if they if they've got like a list of five guys that they're like,

it doesn't matter. We love all these guys. If we dropped I saw one mock draft where you know which, where's the New England pick in fifteen, then they pick up New England second round pick, which is like number forty six or something like that there is and then okay, you dropped five spots and hey, they're still a great defensive player. We're very confident they're still gonna be somebody there. That's that's where I would feel comfortable going down to

like twenty or something. I don't know. I don't know, because then you're missing out on it's too big of a gap. Yeah, I mean usually usually you have twenty first round grades on on guys or less, so I wouldn't want to drop back too much. But a extra they do have extra EMO, they have an extra third round pick. They haven't won multiple fourth round picks, so it's not like they're having to trade up and then all of a sudden they don't even have a set

around pick. They've got a lot of picks in this draft. I think if you trade to fifteen, and here's the full screen of what the picks were ten through twenty on the board. But if we trade back to fifteen and you go to where the Patriots were at least in the mock draft that we had earlier this morning, there's a chance this is the top nine picks you got them trade up to seven. There you go, Yeah,

Patriots did trade up to seven. But if that, if that trade didn't happen with Detroit and they're picking at fifteen and they wanted to come up and get a quarterback at ten, guess who's there that was picked at sixteen by Arizona Jase Horne, and if he may be your top corner, right, why not have that conversation with New England. Why not say, Okay, we have both Certana and Horn here. We like both of these guys. Let's drop back because New York Philadelphia very unlikely to pick

a corner. Same thing with Los Angeles. Minnesota picked two in last year's draft, with Jeff Gladney and kid out of Mississippi State. I'm forgetting his name right now, but both of those guys were picked in last year's draft. You could get a corner at fifteen depending on where you ended up selecting. Now we have this conversation last show about guys playing, you know, being just solid man to man cover corners and coming into a zone system and finding a system that meets matches what they do.

Jac Horne is a guy that is South Carolina played in a predominantly man system. Not to say that we won't play man on the outside, because we will, okay, but does he fit what we need right now? Jac Horne phenomenal player. I'm just saying when we talk, look at the defense and see all of the different things that we need. J. C. Horne and we're gonna double dip because I still believe we're going to continue to look for safety other corners and guys that are twinters

are hybrid guys at that position. But why not look at moving back If you're gonna do that to say, get an edge rusher, why not get an edge? Why not get moved back into if you would have the top edge on your board. That's what I'm saying. And then say at forty four or five wherever New England's if you pull off a trade like that and then go back and again get a one tech. These are I mean, this is what we need to fill out

this defense to make it better. Because you're looking at the defense that and just say, the month of October gave up one hundred and forty nine points in October. That's it, one hundred forty nine. So wait a second. Now, I don't know how much. I don't know how much a corner is in that the month of October would have stopped some of that. But at the same time, the building blocks to put this defense together, that's where

you're gonna have to look. And I know Cowboy Nation and Twitter and everybody, they have their guys that they want. But come on, let's just think logically about this. How you build a defense and where our needs are. Where was Parsons in your mock draft nine? He went before

the Cowboys heart Broncos picked him at nine. Bucky Brooks was on that made that selection, which I thought was interesting because before the draft process last season, before he opted out, he was a top five player on the board before the quarterbacks came into the came into the play before these quarterbacks, and by the way, five quarterbacks went in the top ten. Here's another look at the top nine pair to the Cowboys, but there you see Michael Parsons at the bottom. He was a top five player.

Off the field concerns they opt out, maybe some of the discipline all kind of started coming into play. But that's all media thought. I mean, we don't know how the scouts still feel about Michael Parsons. They still might be very, very high, and it may not be in Cowboys Land, but it might be elsewhere. Maybe Denver does need a linebacker and they want to go and get a guy like Michael Parsons who would play in that

system and fit in that system really really well. Is there any chance that Trevor Lawrence doesn't go number one. Not a chance that I would say nine off right, it would, Yeah, I mean because the Jets and the forty, they don't care. They'll just take whatever. Ye take whatever

he falls, Yeah, just take a qview. Chances might set Cleveland on fire like Jets fans may just start rioting in the streets if Trevor Lawrence somehow was to pick it too and Jacksonville went with Justin Fields, And that would be the funny thing about it is urban Meyer goes and gets this guy who he recruited to Ohio State in Justin Fields, and Justin Fields has been the one guy that nobody has talked about in this draft process. That would just that would be a mind boggling moment.

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esselor can do for you. See more, do more on Talking Cowboys Live and in person. Oh no, there's the barbecue. Yeah, this is taking a life of his own. Yeah, you know, I could see more and I could do more, you know why Rob he Lord. Yeah, yeah, all right, that's it. I'm out of I'm afraid he's so much better. It ain't smoking here in the kate man. That's the raising the smoke in here. So glad y'all are with us here. I'm talking Cowboys live and in person for the first time.

Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back as I'm Kyle Yeoman's and just wait for the bows. Read there's something immense. I have nothing. I have nothing for that. You should have something. I have nothing. Man, Rob's gonna get to put them on because it is fantastic. Can put him on? That's okay. I don't. It's okay. I can't pull it off like Isai. That's fair. I could you there? Uh. Cowboys Mailbag Monday.

This is a new segment we've done throughout the off season so far about taking a mailback question that you could go read on Dallas Cowboys dot com. This one specifically was this past week and it was answered by Dave and Johnny and they had great answers for this. But I want to hear y'all's thoughts. And this has to do with Patrick du Tan if he is the number ten pick in the NFL Draft with the Cowboys, which at least at this moment, seems like little the

likely choice. It shouldn't happen. But if Caleb Farley, the Virginia Tech corner, drops down to number forty four due to his injury concerns, but he's still rated in the top twenty by the Cowboys, do you think they would draft him as well? Or would they pass on him since they've already drafted Sir Tan in the first round. You're shaking your head them. You would do it anyway, grab them. If you've already made that commitment at that position,

you might as well go all in. You might as well go all in if you're not gonna go get my guy Parsons, and you might as well go ahead and get curs In right and get you get him, and then if you have another opportunity to get another corner that you believe in but simply just have some health concerns, well, you have the best training staff in the league over here, so if they'll check them out, and if they feel like he's ready, he's ready to rumble, then go grab him. Then you have two you have

three young corners. You have three young corners at that point, right, It gets me really excited. But but but you still have issues with the run, Yes, you do. Sure, So if you don't fix that there, if you don't fix that on the back end, doesn't matter. You can't. I can't heccet that too. Yeah, if you can't get to the quarterback and if you can't stop the run, you still have the same issues no matter how competitive you are on the outside. Because I don't want to take

this away from the corners in the league. Corners are amazing in the league. However, we all know it doesn't matter how good of a corner you are. I don't care if you're Daryl Reeves Island. If that quarterback has five secons to throw the ball, somebody's smoking. Yeah, somebody's getting open. So that's why I don't lead with corner now. But if you already made a commitment, then you might as well go ahead and round it out and solidify

your solidify it for your future. Oh God, but though, I mean, I love Caleb Farley to me pre draft, and I guess all the writers and before we realize that he had the back injury, he was right up there with I mean, everyone was talking about him and Patrick certain in the same sentence. And now with the back injury, he's the back operations. He's an afterthought in this process. And then you know you talk about doubling

down with him and Patrick certain. I mean, let's talk about what we have on the team already, right, So we have Trey Von Diggs, We've already signed Lewis, we have a b what you know, Look, we're getting young. I guess I understand you bring in more talent than these guys. Are definitely talented guys. But if you're gonna double dip in anything, it's gonna be interior line, it's

gonna be edge rusher, it's gonna be line back. Are you confident in Jordan Lewis and Antony or excuse me, Anthony Brown almost said Antonio Brown and Treyvon Dix and Treyvon Dis I mean Diggs. I feel like we're all pretty confident in, right, But are you? Is it those other two? Do they give you any kind of hesitation whatsoever? No? And I think you're not. You're not giving credence to what dan Quinn is gonna do with those guys in this systems the case. No, you have the same hope

you had to. That's what I was just about to say. You have the same hope with Mike Nolan. So you have to put it on the defensive coordinators and staff to make these guys that you've signed to these contracts better. You realize, like just what you just said, Isaiah, let's double dip. If you do that, we're gonna go all in on it. But you know what fixes this defense and this one techniques and three techniques and linebackers. I

don't disagree with you on never regard. I'm just talking about what you have opportunity to get a dominant player at another position aside from corner in terms of addressing your interior linement or your second level linebacker. If you choose to pass on that opportunity, then you missed your big opportunity, right, So you might at least get lead

because they're gonna be starters in the second round. I mean we knew that already at corner, at linebacker, at defensive tackle, it could be anywhere you're gonna get a starter in the second round. Yeah, I agree. I think you can find it's easier to find competitive defensive alignment than I think it is to find impact corners. See, but I think that's the thing that makes Caleb Farley an intriguing case at forty four is because he could be an impact corner if if you were a select

a man. Yeah, but that's that's the message that would be sent by the Cowboys training staff if they selected him with that pick. That means one, they've seen it and they feel really good about how the back's gonna heal up. But just the things you hear is just league wide. The biggest challenge right now pre draft is the medical stuff because because you're just I mean, they did one hundred and fifty medical reachecks and he was one of us. He was one of them. Drew Rosenhals's agent,

of course, came out and said, yeah, he's good. He's first round and you know what, he very well might. And Isaiah made a great point, like the Cowboys have so much trust in their medical staff, they're athletic training staff that this is they have a pattern of this in the second round. I mean, Jalen Smith, you can go back to Sean Lee, we just talked about him. Vanderesh that's a first round pick, first round, but premium pack Bruce Carter in the second round few years ago.

They are not afraid to find value and take a guy that should have been a first round pick in the second round. Now it depends on their evaluation of

the medical and whether he would be there. But I mean, look, if he's really highly rated on their board, yeah take you know, just get get your best value off of no matter what you do in the first And this draft is so crazy crazy, it is crazy and in years past and just knowing where guys are gonna fall based off of their performance in college, the opt out scene, you know, the guys that are gonna end up following

because they opted out. They're gonna be some teams that are gonna get some dogs that should have been in that top fifty that are gonna fall out of you know, top one hundred, just based off of evaluation because you hadn't seen this guy in the year. And you're seeing that at the top of this draft right now with saying you're gonna take five quarterbacks. These are like one and done guys. The only guy that has a resume

is Trevor Lawrence. Ye, the only guy that has a resume out of those five that you can say, oh yeah, he the guy that you've seen in those big game moments. Do it. Mac Jones I mean, come on, dude, he was played by Alabama. It was yeah somewhere you know, guys are just spending just saying, how is Mac Jones gonna go to San Francisco? And I don't believe that's gonna happen. But still even with the guy from North Dakota, even with Justin Fields, I just don't feel like they've

put it on tape. Yeah, and I think you're right, and it comes to me. Pat Mahomes is the reason why I think everybody looks around and says, if we don't have an elite quarterback, then we don't have a chance. And see the exception or the rules. But if you can't match what he's doing on the field, you know, and even Tom Brady at this stage, you can still get it done. It's a quarterbacks league, so you're I mean,

it just shows you how important that position is. The Cowboys think they have that guy so they don't have to worry about it, but don't. Yeah, yeah, I hope they're right. But you mentioned the opt out tech man. That's a great point because we just like we don't know how the scouts are feeling on specific prospects. How I mentioned in the first segment. We also don't know how front offices are going to weigh the opt outs, because when it comes to Jamar Chase, Rashad Bateman, players

like that at the wide receiver position. I mean, you want to go to offensive tackle Pena Seul, Rashaan Slater, Quinn Miners out of Wisconsin, Whitewater at the guard spot. I mean, there's so many of these guys that were opt outs. Michael Parsons one of those. How are we going to weigh that as a front office and across the league, because some are going to weigh it higher than others. But you could see Penna Sul fall because heven an opt out. You could see Rashawn's later fall

because he's an opt out. Michael Parsons. Indeed, if he played last year, I'm sure he'd probably be still in a conversation at least with the top ten pick. But they're, like Heckma said, there are going to be opt outs that fall further than others, just based off of the fact that the value is kind of an intriguing one For these front offices. I think those are more like second round guys and below. I would say it our front enter fall I don't see any first round guys

really falling simply because of that. I think guys, the scouts pretty much they know who those guys are. And you started looking at some of the talent that's one step maybe unberneath them. That's when you start saying, oh, if they would have played, maybe they would have been higher, right or you know, we don't really know because we don't have any film, but those when you started talking about top twenty top twenty picks, you know what you're getting.

You know what you getting. So I don't think it's gonna have any effect over those guys. Yeah, I just I mean, how do you hold it against somebody for opting out over the situation that we had a huge YEW months ago. I mean, it wasn't to me. That's not a character issue, you know. You just I don't want to play this year. We didn't know what the hell was going on with the virus back in July August, and guys made a decision to protect their safety. So

I don't blame anybody from them that. Yeah, to me, it's just the evaluation process has changed this year, from the Senior Bowl to the to Indianapolis and guys running the Pro day, everybody ran a four four four three, But you didn't have that guy from the Steelers and the action track telling I come back. They were giving out some pretty good numbers on everybody. I just look, I just feel like in those later rounds, teams are gonna miss because they hadn't had a fairy valuation of guys.

Are they going to pass on a guy that it had he played or not opted out, he would have been on everybody's list. It's something to look forward to. And of course Kayla Farley is one of those opt outs. And Michael Anderson was the one who asked the question on the mail back Monday. By the way, I forgot to throw his name out there, But so yes or no?

Would you double dip if the medical they feel good about it and it is back like Isaiah said, which I mean, is this somebody with a back issue that doesn't get better over time and a lot of instances yavity. But he's young, he's twenty two, Then yeah, I feel good about it. I think he has had other injuries, He's had an acl terror, he's had back issues. So you know, it comes down to how comfortable they are they've done it in the past. I wouldn't wouldn't shock

me did it again. It also wouldn't shock me if he goes late first round because he is such a talented prospect. Isaiah, Yes or no. I don't like backs. No, I don't like backs. I mean backs, they only take one bad little move to tweak, you know, especially in a position where you move so much somebody transverse rotational movements. I don't. I don't like backs, So I hate that transverse rotational movement. It sounds like a trainer he is. No, man,

I'm not. I'm not doing it. Yeah, not double dipping so well, because you're you're also assuming they take a corner first round. You're addressing one position with your top two picks, and you can instead of addressing something else, like in your defensive line, like linebacker, like something. Okay, Well, that leads me into my next question is what would be the first position that you think would be double DipEd on if you if you if you were in

the spot of the cowboys. Not based off of what the Cowboys will do, but do you think there's a specific spot that you would double dip on more so than others Whenever this draft comes around. Uh, well those two depending on what your board tells you. It's a corner and linebacker. Well, linebacker D defensive tackle D D N You know, I know Carlos Basham has been mocked a lot to the Cowboys at forty few in our first round, did they? Yeah? I mean offensive tackle too.

This is a pretty deep tackle class even. You know, we talked about the top guys, you know, in the top fifteen or so, but there's guys a lot of tackles with first second round grades that you see. So I would any of those positions really? Yeah, I don't know. I think I'm double dipping in that corner. I'm double depending the corner. I think that you can find some some defensive linement and some linebackers that are still a free agents right now. You're so hard to read, man,

I just don't think. What is that going on? I'm saying, are you guys are asking a question about double dipping? So you're saying, so elite talent, you would pick a linebacker or the tackle, absolutely, but with the depth that you need at the corner spot. I get what you're saying. If you don't, if you if you say, for instance, like like, like I said, if you have the opportunity

to grab that linebacker parsons, grab them. Yeah, right, But if you choose not to, if you choose not to, then get certain or whoever else you want in that position, and then get another one somewhere else. Might as well just keep building on it. You might as well build on it r because you're already there. You've already committed there, so you might as well go ahead and solidify that so you can say, hey, I'm done with that. What I don't like it again, maybe that's why I'm not

a gem. But what I don't like is having one guy over there, one guy over there. I'd rather say, Okay, this position is good, right, I'd rather just put that aside. We're good. We don't have to look at that no more. Now, let's address this, right. I like to be able to put my eyes on one particular thing. And I get that you can start helping at certain areas. But I'm much rather if you're gonna say, if say, you know, we take a corner with number ten. If that happens,

you have to grab another corner. You have to grab another corner, and now you put that away now you can say, okay, I have my corners situated, I have my safety someone situation. Maybe I get another young safety. Okay, now I can focus my attention on my front seven and you can focus all your attention on that instead of trying to put you know you, let me take you that one right there, kids, down right there. You're

still gonna have gaps. Rather, I'd rather have gaps in one position than have multiple, you know, little seeping gaps in multiple positions. You gotta feel like this explanation just proves the point to draft a corner at ten. I mean everything. You could clip everything you just said, and it would be the perfect reason on the Patrick if we don't take ours, if we don't take our off

season acquisitions into consideration. The reason why I say grab a linebacker at ten and grab Parsons at ten, not just a linebacker, grab Parsons at tens, is because with with the other offseason moves that we've already made, you can make a good case for it. That's a solid front seven with Neil with with guys coming off of coming off an injury, right and some young with Gallimore and all those guys that got they got their young rips reps already. We have competitive guys that we know

on on the end. We got d Low, we got Gregory, we got some some guys that have some gold juice. I feel good about that front seven. You're not alone on this staff. Heck, you kind of feel that way. Nick Eaton feels that way. Mickey spack Nolan feels that way. I'm leaning towards corner, but you can talk me into any defensive position. If they tell me this guy is our best, he's gonna make an impact right away. I'm

okay with that. But I said that last week, like you draft a corner, you have to pay huge contract, second contract to a corner. If you hit on a corner in the first round, you're gonna have five year deal, and then yeah, you have that under contract. If it's a pull Bowl type player, I'm thinking more of there's your windows for five years right now. But there's no corner. There's no corner, name a corner in this league that could shut down a number one receiver in this league,

not one, not one Ramsey. Ramsey's not even shutting down a risk the number one receiver. I mean what I'm saying, like you put a who you put a Julio on Ramsey, Julio is gonna win. He didn't eliminate one side of the field. He doesn't shut down one side of the field. So that's where I started talking about if if you don't have somebody that could shut down one side of the field, then you're really just kind of putting the

guy there that can make plays every so often. The closest, the closest thing to having a guy that could shut down a third of the field would be Byron Jones. And you had that here and you didn't value it. And now I feel like, so, how do you feel like you're gonna You're gonna value that now with Patrick

That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, I think you you would have to pay the price at that you you let Byron Jones walk, Which if you right now on this team this very situation, would you rather have Byron Jones or Amari Cooper I'd rather have in a passing league, I'm gonna say a Marii Cooper. Yeah, with the players you have around, yes, absolutely, you can out scheme a defense. You just can. You can outschem a defense if you have a great offensive coordinator and you say, hey, this guy,

heck was a heck of a corner. Guess what motion I'm motioning across the field now, Heck, we can't guard me now, right, So most teams have at least at least a two hitted monster receiver, at least a two headed monster. I don't think there's one team in this league that doesn't have a two headed monsters in the league. So you would still have that with gallop and lamb. Yeah, but I'm saying. What I'm saying is there's no defense that you're gonna face that you said, oh man, we

can't throw the ball. There's not one. There's not one defense in this league. Or you can't say I can't throw the ball. Now, there are defenses in this league where you say, we might not have that much time to throw the ball, or we gotta get the ball out quicker, or guess what, our offensive line can't really hold up against these guys. There's a lot there's there's teams like that. Yeah, but there's no teams where you

don't feel like you can't throw the ball. So with that said, there's a cornerback is not dominant enough of a player in this league. Right to go out there and grabbing at number ten. That's for me. And Byron Jones wasn't that dominant of cornerback for you? He was. He was an actute and I'll go with that. But I'm just saying, based off of our experience it with cornerback corner in the league. But there's other guys I

can throw too, say, don't say. That's the same reason why I made the case for the forty nine ers picking up pits, because it's like, you pick your poison. If you want to stick him cool, I'm going over here. You can't stop me, right, So if you can't stop me at that receiver position, you almost I don't want to say you wasted a pick, but your guy can't affect my ability to move the ball. It is the it is. It shows you it's a team game. And so the perception of a shutdown corner depends on who

you're playing, who's playing in front of you. I mean, if you know, if if Ramsey, I mean he plays on a good defense in LA, if he plays in Washington, shut down corner because because the guy's right, you know, it makes his job so much easier. But Aaron Donald what he he does, ramsay everything exactly, everything exactly. So who did he have in Jacksonville? Whenever he was being really Campbell and what's his name? I can't get guys,

Saxonville was seven? Come on, come thing? We got something else? Front seven, quarterback side from our quarterback. The front seven is the most dominant grouping on the field and we do not have that, not in Dallas almost you can. That's okay, that's another can I love that you just crossed that up. What makes you think one player is going to change this. It's not gonna be just one one player at any spot, doesn't Just like Isaiah, I don't think it. You're all we're set, you know, I don't.

I don't know if this draft or this offseason can totally do that. It might take two years to do it, but you can start, you know. And that's just by taking the best guys you think can help you. No. I mean, you can debate on which positions help you more, and I do lean to you guys with the front seven, but the value seems to be with the cornerback position in the top ten. And maybe that's you know, maybe

if you had a dominant edge rusher. And if you had somebody that I was not worried about off the field coming into this draft, I would throw him into that kneed Parsons. Parsons. Yeah, but if you're telling me, ranking on my board, Parsons is not as high as JC Horne or patrickshr ten. Okay, I mean, and that's just kind of how I feel. Maybe I'm just different. I'm not even going to I'm not grabbing an edge rusher at top ten and I'm just not I could

scheme to him, I can scheme. That's what you would do with the Russens, though, is he would run downhill for you? No? No, no, no, But but but I imagine if you had those three guys at that level. You have those three guys at that level, who are you going at? Who are you going at? You can't scheme linebackers. You could scheme defensive ends, you could scheme corners. You can't scheme linebackers because they're free floating as long as you put guys in front of them that don't allow

those officers a line. We get up to the second level, you can't stop a linebacker. That was the problem last year. You think about a guy like Ray Lewis. That was a Titan. That's a giant on the field. Paul, he had dudes in front Sam Adams, but think about the years when he didn't have those guys all up on him. I mean, that's the difference in what we're talking about with building a team and getting better at that level. But I just look at guys that are playing right now,

like Zadarius Smith from Green Bay. This is a guy that they move all over the field. So if you want to scheme up for him in one position, he gets a stand up linebacker, he can go down to the three to five. He could do it all. And you have players like this in the draft. You got a playmaker, you gotta have him. You don't pass on that and put Patrick Sutan on one side of the field. Yeah. Still, I'm thinking about some of our opponents this year. I'm

thinking about some of our opponents this year. There's not when Kenna, we play Kansas City, we play n Z. I promise you track me great track meet, Sure, how do you stop that? You get homes? How Tampa beat them? You get you get home? But you face you face a team like that right racetrack, how do you beat them, you get home. What if they have an amazing running game, how do you beat them? Shut them down? Stuff? And where it is worst the common denominated with both of

those sequences up front, Thank you very much. You could argue that the reason that Tampa Bay got to Kansas City though, in the first place, was because both of their tackles were out. And we know but just like that, yes, very much like both of those starting tackles that the're gonna be a problem though that was still going to be a problem for them. That was going to be an issue. So name one defense in this league where you're like, I don't think we could throw the ball

against them. Boom crickets um. But yeah, but you but you gotta have you gotta feel good. You gotta have competitive guys. Yeah, you gotta have competitive guys. That's what you have to have, because there's not bum that. We don't have bums in this league at cornerback position. No, but what you're asking your guys to do, just like he just like we, just like Quinn didn't Seattle come

up here. I need you to be competitive. If Heckam was lining up against you, I need you to come up and put your hands in his dog on chest and make a hard him to get off the ball right and guess what you do that long enough you stopped him for half a second. That's what we need because our guys are gonna get home. We're more dominant up fry. I just I understand what you're saying, and I get the persuasion that is happening here. But that

isn't that just like the fundamentals of football is. Yeah, if you could get to the quarterback, it's not just a fundament it's going to be conventional wisdom. It's gonna be it's it's proven. The test of time is show.

That's how you need it. If you're telling me right now that if you're gonna spend a pick on an edge rusher or a defensive tackle in the first round and try and get somebody there, and I'm talking about Michael Parsons as an edge rusher there, if you're talking about that's gonna make your front seven that much better over Randy Gregory, DeMarcus Lawrence, Tristan Hill, Neville Gallimore. Those are four guys. I feel pretty good about it. Yeah,

I feel decent about those four guys. And somebody behind them. That couldn't think other people don't think that could. I don't think that would make that big of a difference though, I really don't. Five three, Okay, you can get that guy off the street. You're a big guy. You cannot get that off the street. Kyle, that Kyle off the field. Does he love football? There's a lot of things. Oh yeah,

he loves football. His job. Have you watched a lot of his tape and coverage he can't cover, can't can't, cannot, cannot cover. Well, no, I don't there's a lot. I don't believe. I don't believe that that is something that you could just that's a staple for Michael Parsons. It's the staple he can run downhill. You're just getting a healthy version of tris or excuse me, of Jalen Smith. That's what you would draft with Michael Parsons. You're getting

a health out like that of Jalen Smith. I like that. But let's go back to last season. Lamar Jackson on the h OV lane drag racing on us had nothing to do with our cornerback play and had everything to do with what we wop in the run because you had Dantari Poe upfront and or I guess Poe was gone by that the only reason why. But but I'm

saying good there still not good. It does come down to though, if you don't draft a corner high, then are you comfortable with what they got and maybe with a veteran addition in May and you can can you roll with it? I think you still grab yourself a corner or two in the draft. It just doesn't have to be a ten. To be ten is you're to be ten? You grabbed one or two corners. Say you grab one corner and you Queenn picks up the phone

and says, Sherman, get your butt here. Well, that's what I'm saying, because otherwise, if you wait, you're drafting Reggie Robinson type. And you know, in the fourth round, I thought, we love Reggie Robinson. I'm not getting enough Regie. But you can't count on in the we're pegging a round hole. Yeah, but you can't count on a player in the fourth round to come in and start for you. So you gotta do something after the draft if you're not a

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Not in defence. That happened. That's gonna go here for us? I'm talking to so good Finally that was that was good? Well done, my friend, good job, he brought it. He absolutely standing up, standing up. That's what. What kind of beads wrong? That's you know, that's what's nice. I like those all right. Final predictions for the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. I feel like we have just done everything

but throw hands in this studio. What's gonna happen? It will at some point, But Michael Parsons is on one side. But what do you think the Cowboys will do? We talked about what we will do. What do you think the Cowboys will do? Robb will start with you first dip, first position to double dip on. What do you think will happen? I think, though, I predict they sit and pick it ten and let all the offensive guys go and take the best guy defensively on their board, I'll

go Sirtain. I don't know their board, but I think Sirtain. Well, I asked, I asked the first position to double dip. I don't want to do ten first. Oh, I'm so want to do it in a minute. I'm sorry, it's okay, I'm sorry. I'm distracted by Sean Lee breaking. Yeah, ok yeah, Shan Lee. That's a that's a good excuse. First position to double, first position to double dip. About linebacker, Mmm, how about get you a linebacker that I mean you

talk about consecutive rounds or just just in general. I think maybe you take a linebacker in the first three rounds. I mean, you come back in the mid rounds for somebody that can help you play special teams and maybe compete to take Francis Bernard's job, Blue Gifford's job. I'll say linebacker, Okay, Corner, it's gonna be a corner. First corner, probably, Yeah, I mean it could be exactly what we saw last year.

Second and fourth round. It's the sweet spot for both not to take yours because that's where I was going. But I'm gonna go edge. I always do that. Sorry, Yeah, I'll go edge. Okay, I can see that as well. I mean, this defense needs a ton of health. We've already established that over under one and a half trades involving the Cowboys. So do you think there will be trades involving the Cowboys or not? Heck? Am I what you got? No under under? Okay, so one trade, no trade?

Think about it. There's ten picks. They got a lot of picks, so well over then, because they will how many you think they'll make? Maybe two? Two trades? Okay? I gave it one and no draft for the future picks, Okay, i'd say at least, well I'll go with heck too, you know, try to package, bundle, move up. I kind of like to be oddish last year. Yeah, find a guy you like in the mid rounds that maybe dropped

a little bit. I would love for that to happen, because there's a lot of mid round talent here that you could go and get. But yeah, you would have to take probably trading some of those later ten picks to do so, and I think that would be something. So I'm gonna say over, I'm gonna be with you guys. I'm gonna say there's at least two trades that involved the Cowboys this weekend. What skills positions? Do you think

Dallas uses a pick on Isaiah? This is great radio. Yeah, I figured that that's a tough one man out of quarterback, running back, wide receiver. Which one do you think I'll even throw tight end in there? Yeah? I don't see them getting another receiver. Um, I think they might grab another running back. They might grab another running back, just get some debt purposes and for the future, just for the future. Two years left on both Pollard and Zeke's deals. Yeah, okay,

you think you know what? And I'm gonna say wide receiver because I'm Jalen Darden. I'm hoping that a guy like Jalen Darden, for unt, gets a shot, just saying and special teams. I think he'll be able to contribute on special teams. That would be the only place a wide receiver would be able to contribute to. See, there are a couple of those guys late in the draft. I mentioned Jalen Camp, the other day in a mock

draft that I did. Georgia Tech wide receiver. I like him a lot as a guy who you could bring in as a special team's ace. And I'm looking up. Okay, combined record twenty seven reps on bench from a wide receiver. He had thirty reps on a bench. He played wide receiver, all I mean, excuse me, played special teams with Georgia Tech for the last couple of years. Here's a couple of looks at the beam with the footage Beam was

on that quick. Yeah, he played wide receiver, played out of the slot a lot, and he can sure go and play that big He's a big guy. Bench press or he had thirty reps on bench as a wide receiver. That's a lot. That's unreal. I could maybe see receiver later in the draft. Just I mean, your your fourth and fifth receivers are on one year deals, right, Cedric Wilson, Noah Brown. He brings somebody in and to compete, you know. But to me, you just don't need a lot at

your skill position. So it may just come down to, hey, if there's a guy sitting there at any running back, tight end, receiver lea six, you feel like dropped. Take him later on you, I say how many? How many reps you get on bench? I think I messed up, but I think I hit twenty three. I think by thirty three I mes stuff. I was really angry about that because that was the only test that I could really do because I was hurt. I was hurt. So

I was like, I'm gonna bench this thing out. They're gonna say my name and freaking freaking g I Joe Brady Quinn got me about one rep. Get out of town. Yeah, man, my grip was wrong. So that we have they have they have a warm up bench. Have a warm up bench, right, and then you hit that and then you go over to the regular bench. Well, the bars were different, right, so the bench press bar it was. It was a clean bar. So I went out and I put my fingers on a little line. You know, you're hyped up,

you're not thinking about anything. Put your finger there, Put your finger there. And I came down to my first rep. Of my hands were way out here, and I was like, you gotta be kidding. And at that point you just gotta go right. And when you fatigue, there is no get me a two or three or four more. It's like you'll pull you it, you know, so I could. I had a couple of reps left at me, but that was all I had. What could you do? Now? You think that's what I was going to ask? Now

I'm old and busted. Now from Conda, you can do thirty. I could probably hit about twenty two. Oh I'm old and busted. I can always do one. What I did when I was actually a prospect, the wide grill. I could probably hit one or two. See more, do more more? You know? Uh goodness, that's terrible. We're gonna have to do this. I've got a Cowboys fit membership. Let's get you up. Can I race you? I want to race you out? You want to race me? Please freaking please raise?

Do it? Terrible? No? But you? But you said if I said, let's raise Cole, he like God right now? Let's that would be fun? Man. I wish we would have thought of this earlier. Maybe non COVID would be easier. But do like a talking cowboys combine? That would be mean. I'm come on, you can't check it out. I physically can't do a damn thing. So I'm just gonna put a headset on a commentation, Rob, will be that you got comin across all of our podcasts. Take one representative.

Now we're getting really good. Let whoever wants to do. Yeah, I'd love to get Mickey Spacknol in a forty yard dash. You're calling it out very church right now, and Jesse Holly, Okay, I call Spacknola. Then I'm calling out a sixty seven year old man I would take on I'm back out of retirement. I thought about the Derek or Shannon as the other host, but both of them are in great shape, so I feel like I would still lose that. Okay,

final couple minutes. Who's the pick at tan, Rob, since you already kind of started your your aspiration, what is your pick? Who's the final? Who's your prediction in at ten? I mos certen in my mocks months weeks ago. I'll just stick with that. I think whoever they think is the best defensive guy at ten, I'm okay with. But I think Certain is gonna be a guy that plays twelve years in the league, maybe makes a couple of Pro Bowls. I think he's gonna be a really good player.

So I think you said it last week The floor. He's got a great floor. I mean, I don't think he's gonna be a bust at ten, so I'll go with him. Yeah, I don't like that they're gonna pick, sir saying in my eyes, but I think they're gonna go. That's gonna they're gonna go. Yeah, come on, give me a little bit. Yeah, you know else, here we go. That is quote I'm going, Michael Parsons, I'm staying with my Pig's Cowboys are one. That's who I want. No, no,

I want to that's what. That's not what we're doing. What are you doing? What you think the Cowboys will do? Yeah, Michael Parsons, I can't say that. Guys, this is like heckma picking Dallas to beat Philadelphia two to nothing on the tostitos. You went too. This is just fine? Patrick, You like that what I'm saying. Do you really think that they would pick I really? I really? Do they know what they need? Yeah? You know, I think they can't ignore the conventional wisdoms of football. I think they

know where they're weak. I'm just saying everything I know they do. But why not get you a playmaker? Why a guy that can affect Hand is just as much of a playmaker on the outside. It's almost heard a voice crack. There's a whole lot of field third, He's gonna be out there on the third. Um. I would normally say Patrick's rtan, But over the last couple of days, and I'm just like you, Rob, I've mocked Patrick's utan to Dallas a lot, a lot, including on the Blitz

like three days ago. But the more I'm hearing about how these teams are lining up in front of you, I'm not necessarily sure sure Hands even gonna be on the board. I'm scared the Broncos might pick them. Am, I'm scared the Panthers might pick them. There's a chance that the Lions might pick them. Yeah, I'm scared. Patrick

Churtan's not even gonna be there. So I'm gonna go with jac Horn, sticking with a cornerback spot a little bit more of a dog, has that that extra mentality, and he's a little grabby at times, but his physicality is there, and I think jac Horne. And also this could be the trade down scenario if they end up trading to fifteen, jac Horn could be the pick there too, So you could couldn't pick here with jac Horne. He could be at ten, he could be at fifteen. Who

knows where where he ends up going. But I just I'm growingly getting more concerned that Certan's not going to be available. Stephen Jella said on the Fan on Friday, There's been a lot of great debate internally about Horn and Certain. I think obviously they like both, but be interesting to see what happens. And you're right, like, he could go, Horn might go at eight or nine, who's true,

who knows, whoever knows what it is. Yeah, And there's a lot of people that do this for a living that are on top of the draft that really like Horn more than Certain, which is especially in a Quinn scheme. Horn is a Quinn type guy. He would be, Yeah, And I think the coaching staff is kind of rooting for Horn, and the scouting department might be looking more towards Patrick Chutan because it's a high ceiling with Horn versus a high floor with Certain, And that's the pick

You're gonna end up having a make. Whatever happens this weekend, we will be back on Monday to talk about it here. Oh, it's gonna be fun. Goodness, gracious gentlemen, it's been so much fun being in has man if it's refreshing, this feels real. It's almost like Opening Day, like it just

feels special. Maybe it's because it's Draft week, but I think it's because you guys are in studio and my heart is so full and talking cowboys as it is, and I'm all I've had it up to here with Michael Parsons, all right, with Chris be even the back for Rob Phillips, isaiahs stand back and hack My Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman, thanks for joining us. I'm Talking Cowboys, presented by Geico. We'll see you after the draft is

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