Talkin' Cowboys: Debating A Dak Deal

Mickey Spagnola. Good evening, good afternoon, whatever it is. I'm tired, Good even was a late night last night. Oh you watch the Stars game? Oh? I was there? Oh you are well? You watched it? Did you were there? I'm emotionally worn out. And that play? Is that a playoff hockey beard? That is two losses away from getting shaved off? Yeah? I think so. Actually I looked at it this morning and I said, you know, I think it's time to go. Oh yeah so no, say thought Rob had two months

ago about your beard? Yeah pretty much. Did you watch basketball last night? I couldn't. I mean one lead, I'm going to bed. I quit watch. I flipped over. And I watched the Stars game, and I knew that Golden stated a thirty one point lead and somebody won a lot of money. That video that's gone viral of the fan. There's a fan uh, an older guy about Mickey's age, who watched yourself? Older gentleman, who's just going nuts because the Clippers won that game? Brian? How are you doing

doing well? Boys? Thank you for having me here today. The first question I wanted to ask today is who is the happiest man in America? Would it be I'll give you, I'll give you a few choices. Would it be DeMarcus Lawrence? Would k and Kid Garrison? How are you good? Good to be here? DeMarcus Lawrence? Would he be the happiest man in America? Or would it be Russell Wilson? Four years, one hundred forty million, the same sixty five million guarantee. I'll tell you what. How about

Russ Wilson? Basically saying, if you don't have to sing done by April fifteenth, we're gonna have some problems. That little general manager got it done there, Seattle. Good for him. Your buddy up there. That's a QB with some stroke there. Yeah, I've been to two Super Bowls one one. He's your franchise, yeah. Or would it be Dak Prescott, Ah, that's interesting. Interesting? Or would it be Tiger Woods. Vote for Tiger. Would be very happy. And Brian can say he was at

the Master's first seven minutes. No, I was there for the practice round. You can still sign with you where I was there. I was on the grounds. You know what's funny though, do you kind of feel like, though Mickey All asked this question because you're a cap guy, do you feel like the Cowboys, since they got the Lawrence deal done for less than market value, that they can get this Prescott deal done for less than market value.

I think they want to. I don't. I mean you have to define what market value okay, because I don't think Wilson sets market value for a guy that's been in the league three years. Okay, So you're thinking, so would your number be somewhere between twenty six and twenty eight then a year sometime't even know if I'd be that much. Okay. Oh, this is gonna be interesting because I'm not negotiating the contract. No, but but it's interesting how the Cowboys, you know, they came in. They came

in under market value. Though, if you think about it for Lawrence and that only one guy was more, what was market value? Well, if you think about that Donald, if you add the defensive lineman all together, if you had Donald and then you addu Khalil Khalil Mack, and then you also talk about von Miller, von Miller, he was right behind those three. Von Miller. What in terms of guaranteed money? I think he's right behind those three guys. Yeah,

he guaranteed money. Yeah, I thought you guys were talking about average. No, just guaranteed money. What's Russell Wilson's new average? Thirty five? Okay, yeah, thirty five. There's no way you'll want to know what Dak Prescott's currently ranked in the NFL. I haven't feeling I've heard this before, so I won't spoil it. But I've heard this before. Go ahead. According to over the Cap, he makes six eighty roughly yea thousand, sixty ninth. Wait, what do you mean six eighty that's

that's his base average per year? Yeah, yeah, sixty nine. He's one spot ahead of Mike White. He's got some he's got some elements making more than two million this year. Yeah, but he got some escalators from because play times, Yeah, plenty times. His bass salary is what you're saying. Yeah, bass salary is six hundred thousand dollars. That's not the Cowboys fault that he lasted to the fourth round. I'm

just saying he's due for a major rays. And if you look at some of these guys that are in the top ten in average salary, her cousins, Garoppolo, Stafford, Derek Carr, they're all at twenty between twenty five and twenty eight million a year. Dak can say I'm as accomplished as any of those guys. It's just the deal you try and do for high guarantee early like two three years, three years guarantee early, and thence to get

out of it at the end if something were to happen. No, I don't think I'm I'm worried about getting out of it, but I think the guarantee early can reduce what the total packages like I'm giving, I'm guarantee you this money right, so now I don't have to pay you thirty million a year. See That's what I'm saying. But didn't we kind of have to go through that because of Tony Romo. Didn't we go through some dead money years there for a couple of years it was the signing bonus stuff. Yeah,

but I'm just saying though it's dead money, right? Am I wrong about that? Well? Do you try if you don't, if you don't fulfill the contract? Right? But what are we interested in doing that? Or do we want this thing to go long term? I mean you you basically scheduled lords that way, right. He's young enough to go long term. Just doesn't really matter ultimately, because we've talked about it. Those those over the life of the deal

numbers are inflated. You're looking at the guaranteed money, right, Yeah, So whether it's a six year deal or whether it's a three or four year deal, how much is he guaranteed? Because that's what you're really on the hook for. So what we talk about Lawrence's deal really in essence, it's three years, that's right. Yeah, so three years, twenty one and a half million a year. And we were talking

about this upstairs before the show. Cousins they just went ahead and I don't know how long his deal is, but they just three years. Three years, Okay, he's through twenty twenty one, and they just guaranteed the whole thing. Yeah, which would you consider do the same thing for Prescott if he gives me less? If I if I if Cousins twenty eight five, he's getting twenty eight a year,

twenty eight total values eighty four million. Yeah, yeah, you get Prescott three years, ninety million dollars guaranteed, So thirty million a year, thirty million a year for three years. He's going to be your quarterback for the next three seasons. Okay, So yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would have a problem with that. You're good, mickey, We're good with that much? Would he would he want to do that? Okay? Or would he want longer security? I'm waiting minute, hang on,

let's be we're bearing the lead here, Mickey. What do you got it's too much? Three years somewhere around twenty five two? How do we? How do we? How do we get around Garoppolo's contract? See, that's the thing I make you get out of Garoppolo's contract. I just pointed this out. Derek Carr's making twenty five million a year. Garoppolo's making twenty seven five. Yeah. Staffords at twenty seven. Yeah,

Kirk Cousins is at twenty eight. Prescott. I mean, if I'm Dak, I can say, Look, man, I've been in the playoffs twice, won a game in the Pro Bowl twice. I'm just saying I don't know what they're saying, but I'm saying that that's making sense. That's the give and take, right. I mean, I'm I've accomplished as much as any of these guys. Matt Ryan makes thirty million a year. What's the four NCAP? What's the franchise take? I don't know, Like off the top of my head, it's over twenty eight,

isn't it. It's pretty high. I hate it. I don't remember stuff like this. I'm just looking at contract. I just know the pass rushing one because of that attack. Yeah, um, let's look it up real quick. But but see to me, though, maybe you find a way to guarantee this contract the first three years. In that way, you're not into you no money at the end. You know, maybe it's maybe it's what if he if he outplays it, then you know, good for you now. But I I don't know, Mickey.

I think you you're negotiating out of fear that he's not good enough by by structuring it that way, by making it shorter, by making it shorter, Yeah, but I just don't you would do that with an older player. Right. The quarterback tag is twenty four point eighth, so it's not that high for this year. Yeah, this year, next year it'll be more now than Wilson just throw thirty five and a half a million, you know, Mickey, I'm I don't think I'm scared, but I but I don't

want to be saddled. Does that? Does that? Does that make sense that I'm trying to think about a way because if he outplays a contract in three years, I mean, if it's if it's ninety million dollars guaranteed for three years and he outplays it, he might be you know, there might be other quarterbacks to go past that. But that to me is you know, if that's if that's a way to where I don't have to have something

long term. You know, I'm just trying to look much flexibility that does that give you as far as the cap goes. See, that's where I'm just throwing out numbers like I'm a drunken sailor. Well, it doesn't because it doesn't give you the flexibility that I'll longer term contract because guys that you need to do. Normally, you would say the cap is going to improve, right, so I could absorb a bigger deal, sure, but if I've got to absorb, you know, however, it's structured. See, I don't

think we're gonna get anything a big base salary. Yeah, you're basically looking at more than franchise tag. There's you're on your cap for three straight years plus and I don't I would have to be in my notes. But because twenty twenty one it is could could be the strike year, very likely, you've got to structure your contracts differently for twenty twenty and twenty twenty one because you

remember what the Cowboys tried to pull with Miles Austin. Yeah, we got in trouble for that and got in trouble. So you can't. There's a clause in that twenty twenty one season that you have to adhere to that is going to affect how contracts are structured, like twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one can't be rule yeah that he jumps from base salary, So you have to be careful. So you know, you can't just sit there and go I'll just pay him. Oh no, I'm

twenty five million. I'm just doing stupid radio right now, is what I'm doing. I'm just trying to think of ways that I can can get this guy done but still have the ability, like you say, Bill, to have some flexibility. It's gonna be tough, but I mean in Mickey's right for calling me out for maybe being scared. He's right to do that because you know, deep down in my heart, I want to believe the guy wins.

He does what he has to do. You know, is he better than is he better than all those quarterbacks you read, you know, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford that you know, Garoppolo. Yeah, yeah, he is. Absolutely, he's better than those guys. Well, Ryan got his team to a super Bowl. He did. That's a good point. I think he's didn't, right, Yeah. Or Cousins, Yeah, see I I Cousins. Has you ever had a playoff win? Have they ever been to the playoffs for that guy? Yeah?

I guess one time. You know, it's interesting what DeMarcus and Steven shared last week with the over the phone. I mean, Tank said, look, it's not my problem that you've got to get all these guys signed. Yeah, but Stephen also told him you're not as good as those guys you're talking about. Yeah, but I mean to some degree though, the players out to get as much as he can. That's his right. And dak Is, by virtue of being draft in the fourth round, has missed out

on a lot of money. So you know, that's not my problem. I don't have to make up for it. Yeah, I'm just saying he's not. I can't imagine he's gonna want to settle for way below market value just because other guys. What's twenty four million dollars? I mean, that's what the franchise tag is, right, So so what have we decided the market value is for Dad? We really have it, we haven't. Seven and a half has grew up.

I'm trying to get him thirty. He's more interesting. Trying to keep him at twenty seven, I believe making him I right about that for twenty five Yeah, yeah, something like that. And then Rob is trying to give us numbers to work with and it's not really helping me. I mean, it's a little like the Kalil Max situation with Tank. I mean, Khalil set the market, but nobody was going to exceed that. I don't, I don't. You know, Russell Wilson's deal is not going to get exceeded here.

I wouldn't think just because it's thirty five million a year. I think it's going to be twenty eight. Is it fair to comparability to Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott ability? There's some skill sets for sure, yeah, but overall production Russ is on his way to a Hall of Fame career. You know, he's been doing this for a long time. It's a different situation. Is the most important thing for the Hall of Fame career, which is a super super win.

Should add two? Yeah, should have had too, should add too? But you know again is that's not Dak's fault. But see, we just can't come to grips that Dak Prescott's a thirty million dollar player. I mean, I think I have, but I but then again, I'm spending like I own

this team. I'm probably not the right thing to do. Honestly, looking at this list, I mean I've come to grips with it too, because this is what it costs to pay a quarterback that you want to be your starter for several years, doesn't as we all wait, Yeah, because as why because this is what it costs. What are you paying him? Yeah? What am I paying him? When? When? Yeah, sometime in the next year. Well, unless you want to

franchise him, you're doing it this year. Next year my indication, I mean everything we've we've heard they're gonna work on this thing. And would it shock you if it gets done before the season, then I should I should get a discount because I don't he could make his two million dollars if he doesn't like my number. I've I'm not following you there, man, I don't have to. I don't have to pay him this year. No, you don't, No,

you don't. You don't. You don't, you don't. But and I would have control of him next year too, right, that's true for on a Yeah, for franchise tag. You a franchise tag. Yeah, So teams have done that, You cousins did it? Do you want your sixty five million dollars signing bonus two years before I have to give it to you? And I think you have to factor that into the negotiation. So you're saying, with two years to go, still, if you wanted this deal, you're gonna

have to take it to twenty six million dollars. Yeah. Yeah, because you're getting your money ahead of time, two years ahead of time. You know I would get a discount. Well, he's gonna argue I'm the most underpaid player in the league already. Well, then we're gonna have. But it's not the Cowboys' fault that he got drafted in the fourth round. It's like, I can take you back to nineteen ninety when the Cowboys drafted Alexander Wright first pick in the

second round. It was the twenty eighth pick in the draft because somebody forfeited their pick in the first round, and his agent argued that he was a first round player. Yeah, and they're saying, not my fault, you're a second round that's fair. So this is the same thing. It's not my fault that you lasted to the fourth round, and I don't have to make up for whatever you didn't

mate just because you played well. No. It's interesting because Dak, even though he has not had the playoffs success and his numbers may not match up exactly with Russell Wilson, he's at the same point in his career now and fourth round draft pick. Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick as Wilson was his last contract, which was his second contract in the which was I assume you've got it four year and of course taking into account

NFL inflation on this, this is in twenty fifteen. He got four years, eighty seven point six million with sixty one point five guaranteed. There you go twenty two million a year, right, So now inflated by four years in the NFL, what do you have twenty five? Though? What it? Tank? Tank got what about a million per year over what his franchise number would have been? Yes, are you thinking the same thing? I'm just thinking if you do that with Dak it would be about twenty five and a

half six. Sure, just thinking just spitballing here, but it kind of it kind of puts him in that pocket of quarterbacks we think he's better than. Right, Yeah, Drew Brees is in this in this mixed step. That's the rarity of Drew Brees and Tom Brady and those guys. Luck Steel was signed a long time ago too. Back to what I was saying earlier, I mean I'm just saying that's if you want to keep a quarterback long

term three years or longer, this is what it costs. Now, you could, I mean, you could start over, but what are the odds of who wants to do that? I mean, this is this is by all accounts, this is your guy. Oh, I'm the advocate of change him out, you know, I think you got to sign him for five or six years. Yeah, I'm the I'm the advocate of. This is the one

organization that the general manager is not going anywhere. And if you really wanted to play the experiment of changing out a quarterback every four years, not to pay them, this would be the organization to do it, because, like I said, the general manager's not going anywhere. Owner's not going anywhere. This is the one team that could do that and see if it actually would work. You have to be able to trust that you're going to find guys.

I mean you'd have to. Yeah, you'd have to kind of luck out because you're you're not planning on being bad, so you're not going to get a top five pick. Yeah. Well, if you look at how they structured Lawrence's contract, after three years, they can get out of it for five million dead in the fourth year and five million dead in the fifth year if you make them a June one by pro rating the signing bonus, Mickey got Folks are asking me on periscope period that you were all

in on the Romo deal. What was there something there was a hold up on that or something like that. Am I missing something or am I jogging your memory on something you want me to remember back to twenty thirteen. No, I was trying. I didn't know if there was some hold up there that maybe that that we were all that, maybe that I was maybe we're arguing the same thing.

I don't think there was. I don't think that because I don't remember there being anything contentious because when he got signed, it was like, oh, I mean it was good Friday, Yeah Friday, Yeah, good Friday, Good Friday. It's this Friday. It is this is Friday. There was a hell of a Friday for tot Romo. It was indeed, yeah, exactly, you know, I think that to me, I don't know. I'm just I feel like though that the guy wins,

he wins, absolutely wins. The bottom line is and but I'm trying to find a spot between my thirty million dollars a year and Mickey's twenty five. I'm trying to find something there, and I don't know. I don't know if I don't know how this one was gonna is gonna go, you know, And I really I shouldn't act like I knew how the it sounds like to me,

the Lawrence one started off just terribly well. Don't you think if Derek Carr two years ago got five years, one hundred and twenty five million, seventy million guaranteed, that Dak is going to get more? I would say fairly significantly more than that kind of what I was saying. I mean, it's like, no offense to Derek Carr, but what's he what's he done? I mean, because that's not the Cowboys problem, right, well I'm talking about I'm talking

about Okay, that's fine, I mean, agent proceeds. But just because one club just blows the market the average market value for this, but it doesn't mean I gotta adhere to But it's not one club. It's Jimmy Garoppolo, it's Kirk Cousins, it's I mean, I can go down to this and what's there? What's their salary cap? Situation when they did it and when and their Opland salary cap situation went through the roof, and that's why they traded

Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper and Amari Cooper. But Derek Carr was coming off a twelve and three season playoff season when he signed that contract in June of two thousand and seven and teen. And you know, I think I think you're for sure looking at twenty eight million dollars a year for Dak. If I had to guess, I'd think so too. I mean, I grew up. That's I think that's the base now. I mean you can compromise, obviously, Tank, If seven and a half million a year, then Dak's

gonna get twenty eight million a year. Let me ask you this, please, could he get a second contract? Do you think Dad could? If you if we if we structured in a way we went with the early guarantee like I was talking about, Yeah, do you think he could get the second contract? Like Russell Wilson is just gunning? Yeah? I mean Bill, Bill's talking about the eighty four million dollar contract that he got. Then could he get another contract?

Dak will be what twenty six This summer. I mean, so for four years from now he'll be where Russell. The Cowboys hope that he's where Russell Wilson is. So so we start small and then try and get there. I'm not small, but we start big and then try and work our way. I guess that's why I was trying with the thirty million for the three years and the guarantee. I was I was maybe in the Russell Wilson plan here and like give him the opportunity in

three years and even bigger. Exactly Tony kind of did that. I don't remember his numbers in oh seven when he got his first extension. I think it was like, I mean, this is over. This is a dozen years ago. But it was like sixty seven million. And then he gets he cashes in what five years later? Was it a five year deal? No, he he signed that extension, that his first extension. He was he was about I thought it was six when they cornered him in the room. No, no, No,

he wasn't before was that Parcels. That was Parcels and Jerrys that was in Parcels. And when Parcels was in the middle of the oh seven season, he got another big extension coming off a playoff Berth and I don't I don't remember how many years it was, but he was able to cash in a few years later at just over thirty years old, for one hundred plus millions. So we're liking the Russell Wilson plan here, aren't we? Maybe? I think so? All right, Okay, ready to move on? Yeah? Sure, Bill,

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hundred players before. I've always done fifty. But the fact that the team doesn't have a first round pick a you know, fifty eight would be you have to go deep. That thing took me eight hours to do. I bet seriously, man, was up here on Saturday. Yeah, I was trying. I really. I mean, maybe it's something because I'm old and I don't think as well as I once did not to mention the untold hours that you've spent over the last

few months. Appreciate that I do, but but man, it is hard when you get down to the like you near that zone of somewhere between sixty five and eighty five, and you're trying to get those players in the right order because those are important, important picks. When you're picking fifty eight, those are important important picks, and especially if you want to back up a little bit here. So yeah, I mean it's a I'm excited. It'll be out Friday on Dallas Cowboys dot com. So when it gets out there,

feel free to tear it up. But folks, I'll remind you it is my list. It's not your list. It's my list, So you know, feel free if you want to present one top one hundred, I'll be happy to look at it. But again, it is my list. Some people like vanilla and some people like chocolate. Chocolate. Yes, remember that. Remember that. It's if you if you do the work, I'll listen to you. If you don't do

the work, stay away from me like a statue. And absolutely absolutely um my concern is two thousand and nine, the Cowboys didn't have a first round draft pick. This team is better equipped. They didn't have a second round pick either. They traded, They traded twice out of it. That's right. But the what eases my concern is that two thousand and nine draft may have been the worst draft overall in recent memory. I think it, for as many picks as they had, it was poorly executed. And

I'm not talking just from a Cowboys perspective. Yeah, in general, I think that draft was a really poor draft. If you go through there's a lot of teams. If you do, you're absolutely right, Bill, and you're fair to mention that because there were several teams that took a swing at the plate and came up empty. Oh for four sombreros for everybody, that kind of thing. So yeah, it was a very difficult draft for a lot of teams. It

surely didn't help this team at all. That that was as that was going along, and then you watched how it unfolded and you saw the players come in. And if you go back and if you ever go on like the Pro Football Reference and you look at that draft, the only guy that's had any significant playing time is John Phillips, right. Everybody else played one game, three games, no games, you know, John Phillips played like sixty eight.

But I think, and I haven't looked at it recently, I think you could go back and look at that overall draft and you won't find a lot of players. No, No, at fifty one or whatever it was. Yeah, we didn't do much of anything in this league. Absolutely. Yeah, it was tough. It was. It was tough on a lot of people. But I think this team is better equipped to handle. You know, they're very comfortable draft in here now, and that's good. You know. I was actually I was

talking with Jerry Jones Jr. This morning. I had to drop something off to him, and he was talking about trusting the board and seeing the board and all that, and it just it makes a lot of sense now to me. You know, that's something that we never really were able to grasp when I was here and now they have a much better understanding of you know, hey, put the guy there, the reason he's there, and when it comes time, take that guy, you know. So I

think that's a good thing for this organization. How important is this draft? I'm looking back at ten years ago and what happened with the Cowboys on the heels. Okay, thirteen and three and oh seven and eight O nine, O nine playoffs, whatever. You had the comparison between now and ten years ago, and you looked at ten eleven and twelve things, you know, offensive line got old and they had to redo the offensive line and so forth, and that was you got into an eight and eight

whole old uh you know era of this franchise. Yeah, you paid a lot of money to defensive end. DeMarcus wareback then, quarterback was into money. Tied end was making money. I mean, you go down the board, you just traded a wide receiver, didn't have a first round draft pick. How important is this draft in order to make sure that what happened ten years ago doesn't happen going forward? Here you had all a lot of contrent you know,

the Miles Austin stuff. Yeah, you had you were entering a phase two where you're getting close to that uh CBA year where they got into salary cap hell, and that team got old, right, Yeah, and that's why this draft is. And I don't know that they're in jeopardy of getting old time, but that's what happened that year because they didn't supplement their roster and all of a sudden they got old. And uh what I forgot his first name Brewster? It was a Robert Robert Brewster. You

should have had a round lineman there. You took him in the third round, right, should have been able to step in. Sure, Bill Nagel playing for you. I cannot believe Robert Brewster when we walked into the locker room first time, look worse than me. I went, wow. But now that's that happens, you know. And sometimes you get in a rut and you and you don't your board's not as good and you're not as prepared, and you think you're doing the right thing and an actuality you're

really hurting your team. But yeah, I think that, you know, I think that Will McClay, Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones. I think I'll say one thing, and I think I've admitted this before. I give this this coach hell about X's nose, But I would love to work with this coach in the draft room. I think he knows players, I really do. And I think that's why your roster has got a chance. That's I think why your roster has gotten a little bit better every year because they're able to go to him.

There's trust that he will make the right evaluation. You know, there's players that they've drafted it he didn't want, and there's players that he stood on the table for. I just remember him standing there trying to tell Jerry and everybody in the room. You know, you see him lining up to Dak Prescott, you know, hey, yeah, this guy can do this. And do you know those are the kinds of decisions and leadership you need in the draft room. And it runs in his family. I mean his father,

Jim for six years. Yeah. Absolutely. One more thing about the O nine draft. I mean, you're way behind the eight ball if you're picking first your first picks in the third round and bundling picks is fine, but what eventually you gotta sit and you gotta take a good player, and so it's a little different to me. The other thing is they made that they lost their first rounder that year because what they flipped it for Roy Williams, Right, that is a gigantic swing, and miss Amari Cooper is

a looks like a home run. That's just different to me. It's apples. That's a good evaluation with the pro department and the college guys working together, and then you've got the owner willing to make that move again. I've sat there. I've sat there with him when he didn't have picks, first round picks. It's most an agonizing thing you can watch a man go through. That's why they're going to watch Amar Cooper highlight. Yeah, yeah, did you feel a

little better? Pay attention that draft too, But if you, if you, if you think about it, from the nineteen ninety four draft through when Jason became the head coach, only one head coach had a voice in the draft room or wanted to have a voice, and it was Parcels. Yeah, and he wasn't always right, but he at least spoke up. Switzer didn't mind that Gaily was so new. They didn't trust him. Campo kind of went along. Dave Dave, Yeah,

we did. Dave no favorite and and Wade Phillips, Yeah, I didn't know about coach about Unfortunately the time he spoke up, it was for for Williams. Yeah, way too old. Jason Williams, the linebacker. That was their topic. And yes, who wasn't I don't think he was invited to the combine. No, he was a workout warrior though. Yeah. Yeah, that a Western Illinois He was invited here and he showed up in a coat and tie, and I said, Okay, this

guy's pretty cool. Yeah for that theory. If that's the case, then you want to draft this Abram kid from Mississippi State. He's the one that showed up in a nice outfit. Did he did? He's got a lot of confidence at Jonathan Abram in the safety from Mississippi State. Um. But overall, you look at this draft and you feel good that the Cowboys are going to be at the other thing to consider now, because now we're entering back into that era of these huge contracts with de Marcus Lawrence getting

his money. You got that gonna get his, and then Amari Cooper and then Byron Jones is out there and Zeke's gonna get his all right, So you have got to have the lower paid players on your roster making major contributions and that's why this locks. Yeah, there you go. You need more human lows. But you feel good about this draft that they're going to be able to come up with their second, third, fourth round picks and get

guys that are going. Yeah, they've protect themselves with a lot of one year deals, which I think is you know, that's that's the way that Stephen Jones wanted to attack this. I think that's the right way to go. But yeah, absolutely, you know, you get down into like I said, I get down into, say into the names I've got on my board. If it just I preview this for you a little bit, if you get down to if you get down to the fifty eight where they're picking in

my numbers, you know, third round guys. I mean, this is just me. I mean, I'll wand Thornhill at fifty four, Deebo Samuel at fifty five, Damien Harris at fifty six, Riley Ridley at fifty seven, Anthony Nelson from Iowa the defensive in at fifty eight, Jase Sternberger at fifty nine, Darnell Savage, the safety from from Maryland at sixty. There's a quality Dawson Knox at sixty two. You know there's guys in that in that area, you know, depending and you're gonna have some guys in the top, you know,

the top fifty, they're gonna slide to you. You know, there's gonna be some guys, I mean number forty nine, excuse me, forty seven. I have Juwan Williams, the kid from Vanderbilt at the cornerback, the big long corner that that Chris Richard went up to Nashville worked out. You know, you never know, we talked about that as a sneaky need LJ call your the defensive end from TCU at fifty two. There's quality names right there at fifty eight.

If this thing falls for him the right way. So and I think it will, and I think it will. You and you pointed out they've set themselves up nicely. I mean you can look at their roster and say that people say you need to draft a runner. Well that's the thing that might be the one spot you look at and say they don't have a backup for Zeke. Really that that maybe they're comfortable with. There's a reason. There's a reason they brought Damien Harrison right. There is

a reason they brought him. He's like a second he's a second round pick. But what you have him at is if you and on my board right here, where do I have I mentioned at fifty six that's still in the second round? Fifty eight Anthony Nelson is my first third round grade. That's my first third round grade. So your second round grade go all the way to fifty seven. Yes, on my board, which is Ridley, which is Ridley Calvin Ridley. Yeah, so here's talking about what

you were mentioning about how important this draft is. This is this is the draft where you have to find Anthony Hitchens. Yes, meeting the not meeting the linebacker, but that type of player who can step in on a what was the a fourth round, fourth round, fourth round, fourth round pick, and he gave you four really productive years where you didn't have to go search for a starter. Another mean, you get a starter in the fourth round and right, and that's what you that's what they need

to find to supplement what they've done. See, this is when you get in the third round. You started talking about that, though, Mickey got guys like that, Tristan Hill from Central Florida. I mentioned him, I've got him at seventy four on the board, So that's a guy. I mean, that's a possibility at fifty eight. You know, they brought the kid in, but maybe he stretches to ninety. You know,

maybe that's your defensive tackle. If you turn around and you draft, you know, draft one of those tight ends and you draft a safety, you know, maybe Tristan Hill is sitting there looking at you. Renault Win from Arizona State. I got him at seventy six. Gerald Willis is a guy from Miami they brought in here. You know, I

have him at seventy nine. So we're kind of in that area that if you wanted to get a defensive tackle, if you went safety and then turn around and got a defensive tackle with my board, my one hundred falls the right way. Then those are the players who are looking at at ninety. And that's not terrible either. You know, Trevion Williams, I was talking about him from Texas A and m got him at number eighty three. Love him, yeah,

love him. So if you if you're if you want that guy, if you Emmanuel Hall from Missouri eighty two, well, I'm just telling you that's kind of that's kind of the guys you're looking at right there at that that, I think he's a pretty good player, Mick. I know I got him in the third round. I know you as an alum you proby hate him, but the film to me was pretty good. Yeah, well go go go

watch the Middle Tennessee State game. Yeah, yep, you gotta watch him playing the other Alabamas and Georgia's and stuff like that that I watch. And Emmanuel Hall is a six two, two hundred eleven pounder. We ran a four three nine and he's got five five hands. M we'll see, we shall see, we shall see's awfully good. Look at this though, Vick, they're hit right now. He's lightening him up. Yeah, he is lightening him up. Go find the times we're

playing Auburn right here. Oh that's a touchdowns? Yeah no, that might not be a TA or something that. Yeah, if if they're go watch him running in the open field at the fifteen yard line and he fumbles the ball through the end zone with nobody touching him. If they're drafting a wide receiver on day two, Mickey wants debot. I want I want the Boys to draft a manual ball now, just so that we're gonna send Mickey to go interview him about his career. Mickey will have his

Missouri sweatshirt on? What about that Middle Tennessee State in front of him? All right? If the Cowboys draft a Manual Hall, Mickey, you have to promise that you're going to interview Emmanual Hall and you're going to ask him about the Middle Tennessee State game and fumbling the ball through the ends. All right, I guarantee you that will not. Yeah, all of a sudden, he'll have all Mickey will have his Coach Farroe shirt on or whatever mnual Hall of Fame.

So good to have you here, young man. You've I've watched you for years or my favorite player. He wasn't as good as Damian Washington. That's true, Okay, Cowboys brought him in as an undrafted free agent. All right, So I ran across this running back name. I don't know if he's gonna make your lists. He may be too. It was kind of a those sleeper guys, um sleepers, and this day Xander Madison boys steak good players. Keep him coming, ye, those keep those boys to one fourth

round maybe fifth round. Yes, not only is he a running back he also can catch passes. I read, and he played special teams and he was a gunner. Yeah, he made a bunch of tackles. Be careful what you read, but yeah, we'll be okay. Well, I'm just saying that's what I read. And you're not concerned with a four six seven forty. You know what, there's a lot of guys in this draft that are kind of that that four six guy. You look at the kid holy Field from Georgia. He can do he can do everything. And

do you think Emmett ran him forty not super fast? Right? No, that it was four six while we just compared to holy Field. No, I'm just saying this guy for a backup running back in place, there's no questions and yeah, yes, there's no question. Question, there's no question. I just you know, to me, it's if you if there's several running backs at third round that compensatory four, you know there's there's gonna be an opportunity to grab a guy. Right, let me and we're gonna take a break. But I want

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What do you think? Yeah, Rodney Anderson, here's a guy that suffered an ACL injury and early in the season twenty eighteen season gets UCLA, and up until that time, he'd been really pretty good player for Oklahoma, really steady runner. I didn't think he had very much home run speed. But what I really liked about him is he does a good job of finding lanes. You know, when you watch him run that big Oklahoma line, you gotta watch all those cats there's for him that are gonna go

very high in these in this draft. But they's the very patient runner. He kind of gives them. They hand him the ball inside, he waits, he waits, he waits, and then he ghosts. But again, I think that he's got the good initial quickness of what I saw once he got the ball in. I think the best thing

he does is catch the football. You see him make some incredible catches for a running back coming out of the backfield and they swing it to him and you know, and Murray does a good job and get into him on the ghost so he can get up the field. But I thought he was a really good runner when it came a balance too. He's a hard guy to knock off his feet. He'll duck, you'll dodge, he'll spin. I mean, he'll do everything he can to kind of to stay on his feet to stay alive. He's got

a nose for an end zone. When you get him down there close and they hand him the football, he could finish and you know when he gets close, he's gonna score. The knee injury is a big concern, and Mickey and I have a date with the medical staff to kind of go through some of these players this week, and I'm interested to see how things checked out for

Rodney Anderson, running back Oklahoma. That was at the medical re check that the combines last week in any now, well, and I know that they I'm sure I don't remember what the nature of his neck injury was that's another thing. Yeah, I'm sure they checked him out thoroughly on that. He had a broken leg his true freshman year and basically miss most all of that season at eleven carries one hundred nineteen yards and three touchdowns that year. Okay, so

basically one game average eleven yards of carry. Then all right, I'm sorry. That was his last year there. Okay, his first year there just got into two games and suffered a broken leg. His second year, had a neck injury in preseason drills. Missed that entire season. They didn't need him anyway because they had p ryany mixing, right, but they in Baker Mayfields Heisman Trophy winning season. Rodney Anderson was a huge reason why Baker won the Heisman that year.

He ran for eleven hundred yards and as you mentioned, seventeen catches for two hundred and eighty one yards, averaging sixteen and a half yards a catch, and those weren't catches down field, those where he's catching the ball out of the backfield, swing it and going exactly. Yeah, he's got a terrific toughness about him. He's a physical specimen. He had twenty five bench reps okay at the combine, wasn't able to do anything else. He's one of those guys.

There's a video out there where of him jumping out of a pool onto the side of the pool. I mean, he's got his vertical is just through the roof. What's going to be very interesting on him is when somebody, because of the medical when someone takes a chance on this is sounding this sounds a lot like Bryce Love Stanford. Yeah, there's another one, Bryce Love, two thousand yard rusher a couple of years ago. Who now, what what do you get any started this? Yeah, he's I mean that's another

guy that you draft him in the mock draft? No, Dan did. Dan Dane picked him with the compensatory was at one thirty nine that compens pick something like that. Yeah, he was the only offensive player that Briggler took. I think Anderson he would have had his ACL surgery about two or three months earlier than Love. Yeah, there's if he is ACL, then he could be ready for the start of the season. Absolutely. Is there water in the pool? Yeah,

that's impressive. Huh. Why don't you do the physical probabilities of that? The equation? I think i'd have equals MC squared. He jumped out of out of the pool. I've seen other guys do that, but what really get athletes do it with water? Yeah, we can't do that. They gave me that because they're great athletes. This thing, this time machine, mickey, they call it YouTube. You can maybe find that if you want to look at it. I will go look

for it. Yeah, make sure it wouldn't Love did that or Rodney Anderson answer, can't pay attention to the show. Let's go yeah, mixing it up here? Yeah? And so do you like the running backs as I like the running backs as a whole? Absolutely? I like the running backs. I was looking at several of them. Which which of the running backs do you like? Um? How about might would be maybe available at fifty eight? Well, well I

have let's go down him. My number twenty four, actually twenty four player on my board is Josh Jacobs from Alabama. I'm just giving all the way here. If you like Damien Harris or Josh Jacobs better. I like Josh Jacob. I do I have him rated higher? He is my number twenty fourth player. As we go down, as we go down, as we go down, I have Mike Miles Sanders from Penn State at number forty nine, and then Damian Harrison number fifty six. So I have a one and then two twos? Is how that's going to work

for me? Right there? Where's that guy from pit that we saw the highlight? Yeah? I didn't have that guy from the pit on my board, and it's his Connor. There we go, guys, but yeah, oh look at can't you beasts? Can't Garrison? I hope it's going okay, hopefully, my gosh, I hope we could see this again. All right, stam it a nutrition here we go and a one and a two. He didn't hit it? Wow? All right, I hope you're watching at home. This is post a cl No, this pre Rodney Anderson. Are you sure that's

Rodney Anderson? Help us out, KNT. Well it was a cool visual regardless, and he didn't. It's actually ban When you said that, I was thinking the water was like up to his chest. Nah, well it's he's not gonna jump out of the deep end. Yeah you want to you want to hear some running backs? Puddle, I tell you the running backs that I do, like that, Uh,

that Daryl Henderson from Memphis. I have him been sixty nine, and then I'm went down my list here as I speak, Trevion Williams, I have at eighty three, and then David Montgomery at eight one. I want to ask you about David Montgomery. David Montgomery, there's a complete back for your eye like him. Yeah, David Montgomery. If you follow the Big twelve, you know all about Thanks Bill for doing

the draft show for me today. Here on whatever. They were running back from Memphis, the running back from that Pollocks, and there's two of them. There's Henderson and there's Paul Pollocks. More of a receiver, more wide receiver type. Yeah, you can put him in the backfield, uh and hand him to football. Got really good running style. Uh, quick guy. You could also play him out wide that people throw him in the slot and those slants to him, stuff

like that. Henderson's another guy that they they is. I think he's more of a quicker guy. He's a shorter guy. He's five aids one hundred and ninety nine pounds kind of a guy. But yeah, there's there's some quality backs. There's I'm excited. I'm excited if the Cowboys do in fact at ninety want to get it back and again. I think very keep an eye on on Harris at fifty eight. I know it's driving. People say that gives me anxiety because I just I'm good with taking best available,

but he's not gonna play. Yeah, there's people like this Justice Hill too from Oklahoma state. By the way, So are you about if Montgomery was there in the third round? I'm okay, third round in on, but second round again. It reminds me of all those second round tight ends they drafted when Jason Witton was in his prime and never came off the field. You know what, people on the periscope asked me about Devin the singletary from Florida Atlantic, and he is outside my top one hundred. What about

de Mario Crockett? The Mario Crockett. Are you that grin on Mickey's face? Missouri guy? Yeah, he came out too. It's a hard runner. Yeah, he's gotta stay healthy though. All right, how about unless there's Rodney Anderson right here? Here's Rodney and Okay, yeah, there's Rodney Anderson. Okay, that was not out of the pool, okay, or that or maybe that is that's Rodney. There's Rodney right there. That's him. That was pretty impressive right there. And here's our runner

from David Montgomery. Montgomery, Yeah, he's another one of those guys. He's like Anderson that really catches the ball. Well. They they feature him at Iowa State, like they you know, hand him in the inside handoff. He kind of picks and choose where he wants to get a little slide to his game though. I like him catching the football. I think he's a really good pass blocker too. When you want those complete backs, this is with these guys.

You need to look for those guys because scheme wise, those are the guys that don't come off the field, and so keep an eye on these. I just I like all these backs in the second, third, fourth round. I just think there's a lot of quality that people. There might be a run there too as we get going on. You know on that Friday of the draft, that that second day that we will be in this room and we might all send round. All of a sudden, here they go, there's like six seven of them in

a row. Kind of a thing about safe, Well, might there be a run on Safety's about that same time. You know there's people Dane Brugler said, this about somebody he's hearing about Taylor Rapp, the safety from Washington. That the fact that he ran the four seven four he you know, and Dane said this on the show the other day, that he's and he's not talking to the cowboy guys, he's talking to people around the league, which

I'll do this week myself. But they a lot of people feel like that rap will be there at fifty eight. I find that hard to believe myself, because because he might have been potentially a French first rounder oh yeah, and then seven yeah, worried people exactly. They say, well, he's only he's only a down player, you know, and that's why. But he wasn't just a down play, No,

I know, that's what I'm saying that. But people will say at four seven he would only be a down player, and that's I don't think that's the case at all. But I'll tell you what, I'll take him on this team. You know him, Adderley, Abram Gardner Johnson from from Florida. I like him at Thorne Hill. They're talking about Thornhill possibly being a corner black being like Byron Jones, a potential corner that's going to play safety. Can I get

him in the third round. Yeah, it's I haven't fifty eight or right at fifty eight, So yeah, he's not gonna stretch past much past that. I don't. I think there's Tony there could very well be for safeties. Go but find the time to Cowboys pick. Okay, So you had the argument last week. I was treed for the argument. No you did. Oh I didn't gut feeling, oh or whatever it was. Oh, yeah, so you draft the safety in the second round as he's starting. See, no he's not,

probably not because coaches will not. And that's the argument I used that. I didn't think initially it took him how many games did take him to it took an injury and coaches to start vandresh am I write about that, Um Sean got hurt and then yeah he's get start in the first three games. Right, Yeah, there you go coaches. But I don't really care about that because you can go down the list of all these positions and they have so many guys up for contract after twenty after

twenty nine team, so who cares? You know, it's different for me because Zeke is your back. Aaron Woodson started as a rookie. That was Jimmy's big regret that he didn't because coaches will do that. He was changing positions coaches. Coaches can do that. I mean, is it stands right now? I think Jeff Heath is your starting strong sac as it stands right now, over George Iloca and then you got Xavier. But yeah, if you draft a guy, let

him come in and compete. All right. You get back to the running back though, and all right, one of the things I think you look at is do you cover yourself in case of injury? And what if something happened to Zeke? What are you doing at running back? Yeah? No, they need somebody there step in. And if you bring a running back in now that it was of quality, then you can perhaps prolong Zeke's career by not having. An argument I made about the running back was you're

drafting backup players anyway. That's because you're pretty much settled in a lot of spots. Yeah, I see you're saying, get me the backup running back might be their biggest need. I think it's the one spot I don't disagree not covered. And that's why a lot of people that don't understand this team will kill this team for drafting a backup running back initially initially a backup running back. I wouldn't

kill him for it. But but I think you could draft a guy that might help you more than this year. I mean I tackle, yeah, defensive tackle before we have like maybe a minute, but let me give me a position other than running back that you you absolutely have to have. I've been saying, add another defensive tackle to come in and compete with the guys you signed with with MALIEK Collins, MALIEK Collins carry hider Christian Covington. If you find a stud, that guy could still earn snaps

on this defense um somewhere along the line. And I'm not saying second third round. I need an offensive tackle, maybe a right tackle. He's not hyll is up after this unless your back up, unless you're planning on moving, unless you're planning on starting Joe Looney at left guard and putting the letting Connor Williams work snaps, be the swing guy at tackle. And if that's what you want to do, get him ready for next year. You know

what about you? Well, if there's if it fits in its draft, if it's if it's the best player to take at that point. Tight end is one that I'd like to see we hit three different spots, anywhere different spots. Yeah, that just shows you, well, we can go for wide receiver. Yeah, well you can. You can the running backs. I mean that's what I'm saying. I mean, they're they're at fifty eight. If if my top one hundred holds true, you're gonna have a choice at every one of those positions. You

guys wanted Joe On Williams. Yeah, absolutely so, laying Damian Wilson's spot. I think Lee. I don't think you think Shanlee's playing strong side lineback. I'd like to. I'd like I was told he could play anywhere they want him to play. I'd like to see that he's don't get to play. It's a part time spot. But they initially moved him, but we side to kelvern him up. He could play Sam and he could spell the guys. Yeah, Christ, Christ, you all right? I think we'll talk draft next Tuesday.

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