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about type thriving with type one diabet with diabetes. And my daughter's had she's nine years old right now, but she's had Type one since she was three. She was diagnosed at three UM and they're just telling the story of her um and my wife and my wife's battle with it within her family. Her she's lost her uncle, she's lost her brother now and showing now how we're how we're in stealing the proper things into our daughter
and how she's thriving with type one diabetes. So they think big shout out to Good Morning America, Robin and Straighthand and the rest of the crew over there. Um, they did a nine minute feature. I think they showed it. They showed a couple of minutes of it on the air today and then it's on her face with page I mean, on their website. So, um, it's just dope. Try to keep it together. I'm a way over here. I was trying to watch it in because it all
just hit right on the way over here. But she's it's kind of cool to see your daughter be strong, you know, and let other people see her be strong. So I just hope that story inspire somebody else. The girl. Dad's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that's really really cool. Go check it out. It is on Good Morning America's Twitter and Facebook and you can find the link to there for the full story. It really is really cool. I was doing the same thing. I had my phone
on the side. I was trying to like get make sure I was getting ready and drive and safe, but I was watching. It was really, really great feature and definitely worth sharing and going and checking out. But let's get into Cowboys news and notes. Definitely some reaction to the Jalen Smith news yesterday. Since we last talked, our dream of Stefan Gilmore coming to the Dallas Cowboys was
snipped aside. It's the Carolina Panthers jumping the gun and acquiring Gilmore, the former All Pro cornerback, with a six round pick. That's all it took to take him from New England and put him with the Carolina Panthers. But Rob, what else went on yesterday was the practices ended and you got to talk to a little a couple of players. Well some good news. You got no COVID editions and you've got Scott O'Neil and Bradley and I off reserve COVID.
That was positive news. On the timeline. Heck you saw that. Thanks for the retweet. Zeke didn't practice yesterday. He's not sure what he did in the game. He's got some some tightness, some stiffness in his knee. It's better yesterday. Thinks he'll practice today. We'll see, but I don't think there's a concern about him playing in the game. And you know, Mary Cooper didn't practice, but they're trying to manage him for this game as well. And Trayvon Diggs
another player of note. I guess he had full practice with the back tightness from last game. So overall injury report looks pretty good. Man, And the Giants had a lot of guys DMP yesterday, jab Jabril Peppers, Sterling Shepherd did not practice, Darius Slayton hamstring, Cayton Smith knee, Andrew Thomas foot, Leonard Williams knee. So these are guys that you think are gonna be big time contributors that did not practice, Yester. I'm sure obviously some of these guys
will come off today. But that's interesting. That's a lot of big names for Giants fans. I mean, Williams and Jabrill Peppers. Peppers didn't play in the fourth quarter or overtime of that Saints when he did, however, go out and take the coin toss, y'all see that video. That was amazing. I was one of the funniest moments. I don't know if I've ever seen in the end the capitalized on it. They did, they did, they did. They took that moment. Was it the Al Harris? Was it?
I want the ball and I'm a score. Yeah, let's not talk about see I don't like I'll pick that. Were you on that team? I was no, no, this was like something like that. I was watching it though, so as he said he want the ball, We're gonna score, I was like, no, no, no, do that, don't do that. Next you know, Al, here is a pick. He gets to the house, the band was playing. Good thing. He's on our team now here coach Dv's coach. So that's
all positive news. What did you guys think about the reaction from the Jalen Smith releasing and more notably late and vander esh I mean, unbelievable response from him. And sure, we kind of talked about it yesterday. We didn't know whether or not it was a surprise in the locker room and just how guys would take it, and it was kind of a mixed bag of what we saw reaction wise. Yesterday. Of course, Michael Parsons took to Twitter with Emmanuel a show and then late vander Esh got
after really everyone for a certain amount of time. Isaiah, where did you see that reaction and how it kind of compared to what you anticipated? Um? I mean, I don't know. I feel like everybody has a has a high high regard for him. You know, I don't think that there's any um discontentment and within the team, I think everybody respects respects him, respects what he's brought to this team, in this organization. Um. So when you see all the negative talk about him, obviously people who care
about him are gonna feel some type of way about that. So, you know, high high respect for those guys who obviously have his back, and kudos to him for getting picked up on another squad. I loved it. I love seeing Laton vander Esh goes scorched earth on people that were throwing those negative things around about Jalen because these guys that livelihoods are at steak, and obviously in the national media a lot of times guys just talked to get attention and get likes and all followers and all that,
and this people's livelihood and families are at steak. And if you've been in the NFL A part of it, NFL family. That's a constant worry for coaches, wives, players, wives all the time. So I think what he did was hit the nail on the head by basically letting people know, Man, this is all livelihoods and I don't come to your job and tell you you're not producing. But you know, again, it's a double led swards because you have the fans and you have everybody else that
doesn't feel like you're entitled to that opinion. So it's it's just gonna be that way and always has been. Bow. Yeah, not to get all existential here, but I thought I thought he brought up a you know problem we've got in society with social media and bullying and all this stuff. And you know, if you have kids, you worry about stuff like that. And look, I know that, I know the professional athletes. I know he's getting paid millions of dollars and with that, people think they're not human and
they don't. It doesn't matter what we say. And I think Twitter, Twitter is a virtual dogpile. I mean, it's it's an opportunity for people to just jump on something and hide and you know, don't have to. You can put an egg as your profile and all that stuff, and like, look, there's been moments where he has struggled, there's no doubt about it. But I think he is bringing up the fact that, yeah, did it get out of control a little bit? Did it become like just
fun for everybody to do that? Yeah? I mean, and at the end of the day, I mean, he saw his teammate's reaction. I think a lot of guys were shocked. Zeke was shocked. Guys. I'm sure disappointed too. I mean, I forgot that Zeke was on the field when Jalen tore his knee up at Notre Dame. They were playing Ohio State, and Zeke came to the middle of the field and dapped him up. And they had a relationship
before that, you know. So I think guys that have been in this locker room, especially as long as Heke had, they know everything he's been through. And that's part of the disappointment too, because it's a he's got a complicated legacy. If you look overall at his time here, it's a really cool story. It just it didn't end well and he didn't play well enough to keep playing as much as he did, and you know, and to keep earning the contract that he had. That's that's just kind of
the cold business of the league. And Michael Parson said, this is my welcome to the NFL moment. You know that this is a tough business here. It is tough, and like you said, it is so complex with Jaylen because of the story and his resurgence from the injury and his ability to go back and actually play football. A lot of people didn't think he was gonna play football again following the injury that he had as a
senior at Notre Dame. And he turns around, he gets drafted in the second round, doesn't play for a year, and then comes back and he works as well way to a Pro Bowl. He got to a Pro Bowl. Whether what are no matter what you think about what that Pro Bowl means, you still got there. Yep. And I mean it is a pretty unbelievable story. And I'm as guilty as anybody of being very critical of Jalen. We all are critical. If you can be critical, there's
there's a fine line, right right. I think you're about to hit on this in terms of being critical, you know, being analytical, in terms of your opinions of somebody's play, because that's what we do, right, you know, we get paid to talk about guys plays and what they did and didn't do, the effect they had, effect they didn't have.
But there's a there's a fine line, right then, there's a fine line between analyzing what they've done and then bullying, right or degrading or whatever you however, whatever term you want to apply towards it. And I think that's the step that a lot of people took. Um. You know, you can have your strong opinions in favor of or against whatever, but there's a there's a definite line that
that is crossed. And when you started attacking somebody's life with whom, when you started attacking um, you know, their ability to go out there and do what they need to do without you're you on that or conscience you know, and those those type of things. There's there's a beatdown regardless, you know, to your point, guys are human. Guys are human. And this story's not done. I don't don't think that we don't have a chance of facing his new team
in the playoffs. Yeah, this story is not done. Yeah, and that's the story he got picked up immediately, so I mean, that's just a testament to him, no matter what you think about him. So he's on another team, let's go. I don't know if we've said this, but he went to the Green Bay Packers. Apparently this morning it was reported that he reports or agreed to terms with the Green Bay Packers. So that's where Jalen Smith is headed, and the Cowboys have to move on without him.
Going into Week five of the NFL season, the New York Giants are on the docket. Heckmno, you've been hitting the film as hard as anybody as always. Yeah, for sure, Cowboys Cowboys offense versus the Giants defense. Oh wait, flip it, sorry, excuse me. Giants offense versus the Cowboys defense. What do you see this Cowboys defense trying to take advantage of this week? I love looking at Jason Carrots offense, and you know the fact that it hadn't changed a whole
lot from when he was here. He used those tight end sets, those as half backs, fullbacks, and so he's gonna overload one side of the ball. He's gonna use those bunch sets, bring everybody in tight. He passes out of him, he runs out of him. I think for this defense man, they just have to stay aggressive, have to stay aggressive. Daniel Jones is an athlete, regardless of what you think about him. He is a kind of guy that if you give him some space, he can
get out, he can get gone. So the same thing I think that would apply with the Jalen Hurts, as far as you have to watch him and not allow him to hurt you with his legs and make him stay in the pocket. Those are my that's literally my only concern. I think the big playability of the Giants,
we can't allow it to hurt us. We can't allow them to get off get those big plays because when you watch the Saints games, the Saints should be so upset with themselves about that loss because they dominated them and then they let him off the hook with a big play. And so that's just something we can't afford. And that's where we are defensively. We're just giving up too many big plays. Yeah, I agree, I think that
this team should be relatively easy to handle. But again, like I said yesterday, you need to respect your opponent and understand and identify who can hurt you. Daniel Jones can hurt you because he can extend drives. He can't hurt you because he runs a four three or anything
like that. But he can hurt you because guess what on third and third and six if you don't pay attention to him, guess what, He's gonna move those chains and then now to have another three downs to try to move his chains and try to get close to the ends. So that's the threat that he proposes. He doesn't have a cannon of an arm. He does. He doesn't have blazing speed, but he does. He does have understanding this year on how to move the chains and how to make proper decisions and how to use his
assets to put these guys in a good situation. Last last year, the year before, he was a turnover magnet. Right, He has two turnovers this year one interception right, right, So he's making he's making better decisions. I don't know if that's Jason Garrett of fat whatever it may be, but he's being better for that for that team. The way that you stop these guys and on this side of the ball is not allowing san Quan to get
the say Quan to get busy. If you allow him to get the ground game going, it opens everything up for Garrett. Garret would kill you on play action. Now, Garre would kill you on play action if you allow him to get a running game. That's when he did. That's what they want to do. That's when Garrett becomes dangerous. Garrett's not gonna get hurt you if you just have
to sit back to them throw all day long. Right, But when you don't know what's coming in terms of run play, because of the twelve personnel that he uses and how he uses those guys, they can hurt you. And now with their additions that they that they've that they have this from this offseason, right, they added um Ross, Right now they have they got John Ross. You know you dub again, right? The young Utub boys keep showing up four two baby three out of four games. Um,
but he runs, yeah, he runs a four two. So play around and let these guys get the run game going if you want to, and we want to be aggressive and stop that run. Now you're walking another man down into the box. So now you have three guys that defend deep. He will run by any of the guys that we have on our defense if we don't pay attention. What do you have a fifty two yard touchdown last week, yes, and like there was no stick on that route either, that was simply just just running,
just running by you. They've got some wide receiver depth, you know, adding him and Tony the rookie, and I think I'm not sure if you mentioned some of the injuries. I don't know if Slayton and even Shepherd can be back this week, that's still questionable. But even so, they've got they've got weapons. Kenny Galladay last year or last week, yep, and then John Ross. I mean, they've got six legitimate receivers that you can rotate in and out. None of them are as as dangerous as some of the guys
you face so far. None of them are Keenan Allen Evans. But what they do they do well, right, So, so Galladay is their possession guy. Galladay is gonna get six to eight catches a game, just period. Just know, he's gonna probably gonna get ten ten attempts thrown his way. He's gonna get six to eight catches at least. Right, that's what he does. He's their possession guy. Ross is there, take the top off guy right, and then a new guy freaking Tony right, Tony right, Yeah, Darius Tones, he
is shift t yeah is Oh my gosh. He's the guy that they want to get the ball to five yards right, easy, high precision pass five yards, and then he wants to get loose. He wants to embarrass your whole defense and turn it into a big play. So they have those those aspects. They got the short yardage, shifty guy that can make make a big play happen. They got Ross I can take the top off. And then they got Galladay. Who there, who's every guy that just to move the chains? Respect him? Yeah? For me.
Evan Ingraham and the tight end Evan Egrahm is somebody that we have to keep an eye on. He's inconsistent. Watch him in other games. He's inconsistent, but some when he's way, somehow when he gets the AT and T Stadium, he finds a way. You know. I think last year when I think they did a reverse with him last year at the in the red zone, completely disrespecting us, and he scored on that. So I just want to
see how we attack him with our linebackers. Is really good to hear that Kean O'Neill is going to be back because I think he helps us in that regard. But thinking about Sequon Barkley out of the backfield, like he said, man he is, he's electrifying, and as everybody knows about him, he is the kind of guy that he doesn't hit it after one, two, three, four. It's the tip carry that he hits you for thirty forty yards. So we just have to keep him contained and not
give up those big plays. I wonder if he's starting to ramp up a little bit, you know. I think he hasn't had more than sixteen carries so far, and you know, coming off the ACL but to your point, catching balls out of the backfield, didn't he have like a fifty yard fifty four? He can do that. He's done at the Cowboys in the past, So that's something to watch for. You. Guys are write about Jason Garrett and the play action, you think about his time here.
He wants the power running game and use play play action off of that. If you want to give him credit for something, I will say Daniel Jones has done a better job this year. Watching that Washington game and watching the Saints game. He just looks more comfortable as
a pocket passer. But takeaways have been the key for the Cowboys so far the season, they've got ten And I looked it up and Daniel Jones has fumbled away a ball at least one every time he's faced the Cowboys in his career, so keep that going, so you know he's done a better job protecting it. But that's been the key for the defense because they have given up yards, they've just they've gotten takeaways and they've done a solid job for the most part in the red zone. See.
And that's what makes this matchup so intriguing because the Giants big playability is their calling card on offense is Hey, we're gonna we're gonna lull you to sleep and then we're gonna strike for the big play. Bang bang. Did it against the Saints. It's a reason they were able to come back. Dallas will give up the big play from now, now and again. And also to running quarterbacks.
I mean, Sam Darnold was no track star either, and he had two rushing touchdowns and he was able to run for a couple first downs as well, very similar to what Daniel Jones can do. And I just kind of wanted to back end what you said about Evan Ingram. Evan Ingram forty receptions, four hundred and forty three yards and four total touchdowns against the Cowboys in eight games. Jesus, he has no more than three hundred yards against any other team in his career and forty three against the
Cowboys and four touchdowns. Yeah, it's back to what you were saying about their big playability and are given up the big play. It's like it's like the boxing term. You know, styles make fights, and this is one of those ones where you look at it and say, yeah, man, we should Peter role. These guys just show up to
the statement, just punch them in the mouth. But it's a situation where if you do not protect everything, if you're not playing era free football, not turning it over, not giving up those long touchdowns, are giving up those long drives that you talk about, you'll find yourself down and have to battle back versus team that you could put the bed early these games, Right, I've played in games against obviously rivalry games, Giants, Eagles, all those kind
of things. If you allow those teams to hang around, those are the ones that that sneak up on you and then that's how you get snake bits. So my hope is that we get up. I feel that we will get up, and we need to continue to drive these boys into the ground. We need to get up by seven, fourteen, twenty one, twenty eight, keep going because as soon as you have you get up by ten points and you let up off the gas, that's when teams like this would come up and points did. Yeh,
that's exactly what they win. The prevent in the fourth quarter, and they prevented a win. That's what Carolina almost did in the fourth quarters. We did. We let off the gas. Yeah, and there are similarities to that matchup. I mean, they love the RPO stuff with Daniel Jones and that was a problem, especially in the first half with Sam Darnold. So it'd be interesting to see how the Cowboys handled
that because that's that's part of their offense. And the Giants last two losses by a combined four points, so it's not like they've been getting blown out. They're gonna stay competitive throughout the game. And I was, as you guys were all talking, I was thinking, man, this first half is gonna be crucial, and then you reminded me of the Saints. It was the second half that they let off the gat. It was the fourth quarter that they let off the gas. So it's gonna be all
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I'm Kyle Yeomen's Chris Beam in the back doing work as always. Gentlemen you time, are you ready for a little uh little take it or leave it? This week? I am yes, starting to be a little Thursday tradition. Try and stir up some some debate amongst the gentleman here at the desk, and we'll start things off with this statement. The takeaways will continue Heckman mentioned ten takeaways
in the last segment. It's been ten straight games with the takeaway the Cowboys defense, second longest active streak in the NFL. Do they continue this week? We'll start with you, Rob, Yeah, I do. I think they'll get at least one. That it's become a trend. I mean, you go back to the second half of last season and that it starts to become part of your identity. Now I'm curious. I don't know what the recipe is to constantly get them.
I mean, it's not like it's it's a quarterback situation where he's got the ball in his hands and you know he can do something good with it every single week. So I don't think you can always count on it. And if you don't have the takeaways, you know, that's where it gets interesting for this defense. Can they continue being productive and limiting big plays and doing and not
giving possessions to the offense every week? But I think it will continue because I think they've got more playmakers than they have in the past, and they got more leads to play with. Two yes, see whatever other languages, we definitely take it because fast, physical, discipline football for it brings turnovers. That's that's what we're doing right now. We talked about culture and all those things. These guys have adapted I have adopted it, and that's what's happening.
We're seeing that from depth Chart one through three. Everybody who steps on the field is given one hundred percent. Get tired, get off the field, will get you back in there. Give me everything you got, empty the tank every play. When you do that and you're disciplined in what we're asking you to do, turnovers happen. Now. I'm gonna say take it because Trayvon Dick seems to be on a Peanut Tillman kind of streak right now. It seems like the ball he is just a magnet for
the ball. I mean, you remember that the strip that he was on, he was just punching the ball out and getting the fun with getting interceptions each and every week. And so back to what you were saying about the way that our defense is playing. These guys are playing fast. Everybody to the ball, and if they get a guy held up, they're trying to rip and strip at it.
So I think it continues. It's going to be one of those things that at some point one game where a couple of games, we're not going to have it. So as we've been experiencing now, these turnovers have been happening in bunches, So just gotta keep that streak alive. You think teams are just gonna stop throwing to them at some point, though, I'm surprised they haven't already. Yeah, I mean, as well as Diggs's playing, they don't have to come from Diggs, And I don't think that they
will continue to come from Diggs in that regard. That's no, that's no, no shade on him, because I mean you heard, I just don't know if you saw the video that the Cowboys social media put out. It was amazing video they put out yesterday on Instagram. Um that was showing all the sideline footage and Coop saying, man, they're gonna stop throwing to you, like you better get it while you can because they're not gonna throw the ball no more,
you know. And and that's and that's true, that that's what happens in this league when they start seeing you as a threat. Um. But because of how the rest of the guys are playing, you know, this is a very physical game. This is so we might see things change from interceptions to straight fumbles because when you run around and you hit people, this this this game hurts for those that don't know, right, this game hurts and and and you don't want to injure a guy, but
you want to hurt a guy. Yeah, you want to put them on. I'm sorry that doesn't sound good, but that's that's the NFL. You don't want to injure somebody, but you want to hurt them, and you want to hurt them to the point where every time they see you coming, they want to tense up. And the last thing that they're thinking about is the ball security. They
want to protect themselves and not necessarily ball. You want guys thinking that every single time you're around, every time they get ready, get ready to get tackled, they should see to your point, one person hold him up, everybody else beat him up. When was the last time you saw a defense where the offense got on the field and they were like, we if you catch the ball, you better harry up and be looking for the ground
you get to the ground. Yeah, when was the last time you saw a defense like in a minute, It's been a minute, in a minute, but yeah, I mean that's what that's what that's what we're starting to see, right, and and that's why you know this all season we talked so much about, you know, in reference to Israel mcquombo, right, I mean, in terms of his ability to make the
team and have an effect. I told you he's not going to touch the field until he starts hitting people, just because the culture of this defense, you have to be able to hit, you have to be willing to hit. He won't. He won't touch the field until he throws his head in there. But Donald didn't have a problem with that. Nope, when he gets back, now, he'll get in there. Yeah, he'll get in there. Yeah. So I mean that's what you want and man, and that's and
that's an impact that he'll immediately have. Especially that's what he brings to his team almost too, a detriment going back to college, like he I'm really aggressive, got some targeting stuff in college. You gotta watch that in this league because I mean, look at Casey. You gotta watch
where he hit somebody buying the shoulder apparently. Yeah, but Casey showed you even though he's smallness stature, he will bring that would Yeah, that I think that's a perfect example for what you guys you're talking about is CAZy is not the biggest man in the world, and he was not known in Atlanta for being a hard hitter. But but you know what, but he comes over the middle and he lays the wood. When you're in that environment, the last person you want to be on film to
your teammates is the one who's not doing something. You understand when you come back on Mondays, you're watching film. Everybody's sitting there watching film together, and it could be hell, And it could be if the coach will take that little laser beam and sim push pause and circle you all day, lone, be like, what is this bare? When
everybody else is sitting up there running around hitting. When you see other guys sprinting to the pile, jumping on the pile, and you're the one guy that's not, it looks real bad. So be the one guy that doesn't throw us head in there, that wants to tense up and turn his back or turn his shoulder. You're gonna look real soft, right, sawft soft? This is this sounds a lot like what I feel like whenever I watch GMAT sending against videos on our talking cast. What is this?
What is this right here? What is that? That's your film room? Exactly? All right, take it or leave it. Dak Prescott is an MVP candidate in twenty twenty one. Yes, taking it, taking it? Got it? Okay? Yeah, hell yeah, nice, I'm gonna I'm gonna go take it. And again, I'm just you know, I've been hurt before. I'm in a little card. Let let me get past this week, Listen, I just want to give well. I mean, it's gonna come down to how the team does. Absolutely, I mean
it's a team. It's a team award as much as a point. Every successful team's quarterback is always in that conversation. But I mean, dude, like they're only they're fourteenth and passing offense right now, which is so misleading because they don't have to right now. But he's seventy five percent completion percentage madness, one seventeen passer rating, and he's on pace for forty touchdown passes. Seventy five percent is the most staggering stat that you mentioned. Ye, out of all
those things, seventy five percent is insane. Sixty percent is good, right, yea percent is good in football and he's not checkdown Chuck. Yeah. I mean, you know you start that, that's insane. You want to you want to hear something that makes that even more insane. Dak Prescott is the fourth quarterback since nineteen fifty with ten passing touchdowns and a seventy five plus completion percentage in his team's first four games of
the season. You want to know the other three. Russell Wilson in twenty twenty, he was he was at MVP caliber at that point. He was all over that conversation, Peyton Manning in twenty thirteen, Tom Brady in two thousand Monday Night Football Goat. Yeah. So you've got the Goat, Tom Brady, the other goat, Peyton Manning and potentially the modern Goat, and Russell Wilson, and then you've got Dak Prescott. Those are the four that have done it. It's pretty impressive.
What you disagree with this dament? No, No, I'm just you're down on your boy. I don't want to talk about your other team. Russell, sorry that that Seattle team. Not No, that's Those are great numbers and he's doing it in the offense is balanced. It's not like it was last year. Whether everybody's just empty calories. He's throwing for a bunch of yards and the team is still losing that efficiency that I'm talking about. That that seventy seventy five percent completion ray just points to the way
how balanced this team is. I love it, and to the people that's all these are just short throws digging you know what. Look, he's picking teams apart. And you saw on that throw to a Marii Cooper all the people that questioned his accuracy. That was one of those moments where well he dropped that thing in the bucket. Oh, that was such a good throw. And that just shows you how he's mature, even on that curl route. I mean there's been different times, and especially as rookie year,
where that just wasn't in his wheelhouse to do. Now, yeah, we're not having to throw the ball down field. And that's a testment not only to dak Right his efficiency and his accuracy. That's see, that's a testament to these receivers and tight ends that are running great routes and getting open and then Kellen Moore that's putting them in positions to get open based upon what he expects the defenses to propose to put out there that. I mean this.
I know people want to see the big plays. I know people want to see the big plays, but you much rather see W's. Yeah, you much rather see W. So if it requires him taking two shots down the field every game, even though you want to see ten, Guess what high precision passes is. Where it's at seventy is redicut. That's that's the equivalent to somebody batting five hundred. It's just madness. It's just madness. So keep it up.
Run the ball, high precision passes. Let our receivers and tight ends and running backs do what they do in terms, they get paid to catch the ball and running get some yachyr orders. Let them do it. I like what you said there. If everybody wants to see the big play, but you would rather see a w You remember last year, Week four, the season against the Cleveland Browns. I mean there's a high scoring game. Name the biggest play that happened for the Dallas Cowboys, any of you try and
name it. Cowboys lost that game to Cleveland. It was a one score game at the end of it. Because the Dallas team came storming back in that ball game, but you don't know what big play happened. You would rather have the wins because you remember the losses and the wins more than you remember the big play. I completely agree, So next one, take it or leave it? Ezekiel Elliott has returned to top three running back status in the NFL. Right now, take it or leave it?
Heck Man, we're taking everything, so we got to leave something. Now I'm going to I'm gonna take it. I mean, he's bringing the spoon with him to work, and he's looking lighter, sleeker. Zeke, you know, so everything that and I think it's only gonna get better for him as the season goes along. We're gonna go against you know, even when we get to Kansas City and everyone's gonna be talking about that matchup between Dak and Patty Mahomes,
it's still gonna be Zeke. It's gonna be Zeke. That's gonna get the lion share of that work against a bad Kansas City defense. You know, he should be get the lion share of the carriages against the Giants. Just saying, Derrick Henry's the leading rusher right now in the NFL with five hundred and ten yards. Zeke is fourth, and he's only twenty yards off a second place, and the guys in front of him are Nick Chubb and Joe Mixon.
So even statistically he's not in the top three, but he is right in that conversation, and I would argue that he's better than both of those guys just pound for pound. What do you think, Rob, Yeah, I mean, I think Derrick Henry is the only he's almost like the only feature every down back in the league right now. He's the only guy that's gotten I think thirty plus carries in a game, So you gotta, I think put
him at the top because of his workload. Beyond that, I mean, yeah, I don't think there's been a guy that's been more impressive than Zeke. Nick Chubb his second. He's got a nice, you know, running back tandem in Cleveland, and that's what the Cowboys have here with Pollard. I buy that right now. I mean, he's running as well as we've seen him run since twenty sixteen. Say it with your chest, Rob, He's running as well as we've seen him since twenty sixteen. Nice. I like here in that.
I'm taking it. I'm taking it all day long. The reason being, Zeke is a lot more than what you see on film, what you see in the stats. Yeah, Zeke is so much more than what people see in the stats. People see Paula going out there making the big plays, and that's awesome. We love it and we will take it and keep doing it. Zeke goes out there and does the dirty work. Zeke's gonna run. He's averaging four and a half yards per carry, four and a half yards percare quietly, yeah, quiet because he hasn't
hit me. Last game he had a couple of breakout runs. Aside from that, people were I don't know Zeke is. They're questioning it right because he hadn't had over one hundred and thirty yard running game like he did last week. So what Zeke is efficient? Four and a half yards per cary, He's falling forward, he's making good cuts, he's turning a negative places into positive plays. And then guess what when Dak wants to sit back there and throw the ball, guess who's out there picking off the knees
of linebackers that are blitzing Zeke. Pauler had a great block the other day too. I'm gonna put it in the film, or he blew somebody up and allows Zeke the touchdown to to Coop. Yeah. Right, So, I mean these guys are doing a great job of blocking as well, and people need to respect that aspect. It's not just when they get the ball. They have a whole other job to do when they're back there walking, and it takes a grown man to do it. Yeah, and I agree in seeing Paula throw his head in there and
make that block. It says a lot about him because people kind of doubt because he's small and statue if he can actually do it. The thing that really kind of sickens me right now in football is how like PFF and that Chris collins Worth crowd is devalue and just devaluing the running back positions. They're devaluing the running back position. And I don't. Look. The thing is, I don't I don't understand how football has changed that much.
And we use the passing league terms that we don't understand field position, ball control that the Cowboys have at their disposal. With that kind of running back, you just can't plug and play. And there's a mentality out of here out there that the Shanahans of the world don't actually need a number one. See, they can get a free agent, They can get anybody to go out there and do what a number one running back would do.
And I just don't think that's true. I think when you have a guy like Derrick Henry and Tennessee, I think when you have a guy like Nick Chubb in Cleveland, it just makes everything on your offense run better. And if he's not a threat, the defense can just pin
the ears and come after you well. And yeah, and there's two sides to like when everybody and Zeke joked about yesterday, I don't care about people who thought I was done, you know, but there's there's two sides that, like he did say, I needed to cut some weight and work on my quickness and all that, and you see it. But at the same time, last year was a problem. I mean, all those different line combinations you don't have, Dak they you're totally one dimensional as an offense.
That's really hard for running back. And then you know, people bring in the salary and I understand that, but it's hard for anybody to do that. And you see what he can do, like he said, with a with a strong offseason and was Zach Martin in front of you and Dak quarterback. You know that's gonna help anybody, no matter how much money you make. Zach Martin's the highest graded player on Pro Football Focus through the first four weeks of the year. There's a guard everyone MVP.
He should I don't know, maybe maybe he should be in that conversation a great He has been almost perfect and that's hard to do. We come back here on talking Cowboys. Should the Cowboys consider spying Daniel Jones Come Sunday afternoon. We'll talk about it right after this. Hi, I'm Clid Tillison with United aggin Turf. Before you can park yourself in front of the game, park yourself in
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NICKI goodness all right, final couple minutes. You're Talking Cowboys, presented by Tostitos, Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback, heck my Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's and I asked this going into the break, should the Cowboys consider spying Daniel Jones? We mentioned his athletic ability. No, he is not the most fleet of foot quarterback, but he can definitely run the football almost had an eighty yard touchdown Scamper a year ago, and the only reason he didn't because he got sniped from
the top upper deck. I mean fell at the twenty. He didn't score on that did not. I totally forgot about it. No, but yeah, so I mean he can run the football. You mean the Giants leading rusher. He is the Giants leading rusher right now? Is he really? Yes? He thought, because Sakwan's got one eighty six. Yeah, and I think I think Jones has one eighty eight. Oh my god, and they both had two touchdowns. Because there's not you're being paid too much? But is that a
thing the Cowboys defense should consider? No? Okay, No, I think you need to be aware of him. He hurts teams because guys forget about him. And it's one of the one I was saying, one of the things that you can't let allow these guys get the ground game going, because then they're allowed to do formations that you know, a bunch of formations like heck I mentioned earlier that really make you focus on who you have, right, so all your attention goes to who do I have? What's
the release? Are we in and out of this? Are we maunlocking this are these guys crossing our safety's face And guess what through all that, who's the last person you're thinking about? Quarterback? Quarterback? Right, because he's not a burner. You say, okay, we can we can pay coverage and worry about him later. And that's when he gets you. That's when he gets you to That's why we can't allow them to get into these these down and distances that are favorable for them, because he can pick up
six yards easy. Yeah, And you look, I just here and Jalen Hurts at this point in their career are almost kind of identical in that way, and you know they want to extend, to play and keep the chains moving. But I think for our defense, they just have to do what they do, and that's fly around and man. Watching the tape, I just man, it's number ninety seven. Really, this is what I'm seeing, Like, Ohsa Diggi zor is
he is man. He his first step, his explosiveness, he's the way that his gap responsibility, all of those things that he does, I mean, how strong he is at the point of attack. It just points to a guy that's gonna be good for a very, very long time, and I just feel like defensively, if we just line up and whoop they button, we're gonna get it. It's gonna be over with because I don't believe that they have an offensive line that could withstand the kind of
pressure that we're gonna bring. And you know, some teams have let off of them, like the Saints did they let up off of them and let him back in the game. That's something that's a mistake that we cannot make. And Daniel Jones is just like every other quarterback I've seen. If you get pressure on him, he will start moving around, he will start second guessing himself, and that will open up the Cowboys opportunity for those sacks strip fumbles. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I mean daro line has been kind
of an issue for them in recent years. I think it's been better. Um, but I mean, did they Cowboys really spy hurts all that much game? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't. I don't. You know, And you're getting you're getting counted back. You've got the speed back there, so you're a faster, more of a sideline to sideline defense than you were last year. So I feel better about it. And Jeron curse. Jeron curse is going to have an
effect on this game. Also when when I was talking about Evan Egrahm and also backs out of the backfield that when we go with that big nickel package, he'll have a lot to say about that. And also whether Dania Jones want to take that punishment coming out of the backfield. Is by to say, when you hit him, when you have an opportunity to hit him, hit the crap out of him, hit hit him and make him see Jesus and when and bring him back to light.
And just know that from that point forward, if you decide to cross this line of scrimmage, this is what you got to deal with. Let's be the title of today's show. Emanuell make him see Jesus? Is that you. I don't think there's any better way to end. Let's curse up the middle. All right, That's it for us here on Talking Cowboys. Be sure to join us tomorrow for Say It with your Chest Friday. We preview the Cowboys offense trying to take the big play on against
that Giants defense, and the fans picking. Fans are picking, So get your calls in tomorrow. We're gonna start taking calls right around that second segment. It's eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven. If you have to write it down, write it down and be a part of our pickum segment tomorrow because we will have our fan representative for the second time. We had George last week. I don't really know how good of a job he did, but I'll go back and look at
it today. I'll let you know George tomorrow. What the fans record is. I don't know what I said. I've been terribley here, but that's it for us. For Chris be even the back, for Rob Phillips, Isaiah Danback, heck Ma Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman. Thanks for joining us on Talking Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
