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Friday in Cleveland. It's football Friday here at the Star in Frisco, and welcome to Talking Cowboys. Y'all ready for another football weekend? Absolutely, let's it got started last night in a Thursday night football in a big, big way. Yeah. I listened to Cleveland Sports Talk Radio on my way home from my CBS eleven gig last night, and the talk show host on Cleveland Sports Talk Radio we're calling that one of the greatest sports nights in Cleveland history.

Never mind any NBA. Yeah they yeah, that's right. Yeah, But anyway, that's the way we kick off this football week Yet you should have seen the scene outside the stadium, because you know, you got a walk across that. There's a big, huge walkway over the highway from the stadium to downtown. There. You couldn't see anything but people. When they did the overshot on the postgame, they were channing Baker maybe they were all over the place. It was.

It was almost like they had won a championship. It was. It was. I tweeted a gift last night of Bob Yucker in the Major League press box jumping them down, just going nuts, because that's what it reminded me of. It's like they finally did something, you know, the laughing stock. Maybe it's turning around for him, Yeah, well he was. It was strange because the post game show on NFL Network they had Joe Thomas on there. Yeah, and how much weight is he lost, by the way, all those

offensive lines radio and hair too, by the way. We can't talk, No, we can't know. But he was coming out of his skin. It was giddy. And the lady who was the host was coming out of her skin. I mean, it was it was. I thought it was you know who they played this week in Oakland? In Oakland? Yeah, yes, okay, yeah, and I'm Brian's looking on can they keep this up? You know you think about in hey, very passionate football fans in Cleveland, and yeah you should be happy for them,

but okay, can you can you sustain this? Night? One? One and one? Now? And Pittsburgh off their feet? Should have beat Pittsburgh and the opener and then the Saints last week, and they finally watched Pittsburgh convinced that exactly that Baker Mayfield's their starting quarterback. He gives them a chance to win. That's all John Dorsey was looking for here,

John John talked, waited so long? Well, no, you would have made up a reason why they should never played him because he's a young guy, or no, absolutely not, but oh we shall always play young quarterbacks. I didn't say that they should have played him over what they had if they were going to make him the first two weeks in the season, three weeks in the season. Again, him is Mickey sounds. I have to agree with him, thank you. It is it. Should they played him in

week one? Should they have drafted him first? I wouldn't have drafted him first. I would have Okay, here's the of course, this this is the narrative that we've learned over these years. Yes, yeah, when things kind of roll the right way, let's see what happens in the next couple of problem. I said it, when they draft Mickey, you're not drafting a six foot quarterback first. He might be six foot, but you're not drafting a six foot

call I will say this. I was saying I would have drafted him, but I, of course in prejudice because I'm an ou you did. You picked him when you and I did the mock draft. You picked him first, and I thought, actually I thought all along that Cleveland would pick him number one overall once they reviewed everything they were looking to change, and the only was the comparisons to Manziel. In my opinion, Oh my god, he

is so Johnny it's not even funny. Well, he is in the Tony in the in the on the broadcast, and I can see that, but just the dynamic, that kind of just the wild wildness to his game reminds me of Johnny. Maybe it is he can make the throws, though,

I mean he is. I mean there's a lot of Mike Evans and Johnny Manzill's college career, sure, you know, but uh, you know, and then I take it back and relate it to the Cowboys and what Mayfield brought to that Cleveland team last night when he came in the game, especially when you compare with what was going on with Tyrod Taylor in the first half of that game.

There was a tempo and an energy. He used to play in that way exactly right, And I think that this Cowboys team needs to kind of play that way a lot of times. I'm not saying that necessarily. I think they would like to play that way as far as being able to throw the football down the field and stuff. Now he takes a lot more and he's gonna have horrible games in it's May in Oakland. In ten days from now, he's gonna have four picked games.

And he is unlike Dak Prescott in that regard because his whole thing is taking care of the football and everything. But I think when the Cowboys play with tempo, and I'm talking on defense to the speed that the Cowboys have on defense, and when you look at that Cleveland team and what they've done in acquiring players, they've got

a young team that has a lot of speed on defense. Now, I think that there's some comparisons there, and I think that's the way that the Cowboys, and I think in this league that's the way you need to play to win now is getting as much speed as you can on the field, And I don't know, you take control of the football game that way. We've seen both both guys. Everyboy's seen both guys. Now, who would you rather have

him or Mahomes? I would leave. I mean, if you're talking about big twelve guys, I would lean towards Mahomes just the size, bigger quarterbacks, less, less limitations. But I mean, I've thought Baker I didn't see much of Donald R. Kingsbury had the same decision to make about five or six years ago. And that just shows you. That just shows you that guys are supposedly no quarterbacks, don't no quarterbacks? Well no, I mean, I mean he had yeah, he

did well, Cliff had Manzelf, Well, he had David's Webb. Yeah, got rid of him as at the same time. Yeah, and Mayfield was a walk on and he wound up starting eventually in that true freshman season at Texas Rick And that's why I was upset at the end of the year when they didn't didn't give him a scholarship why he transferred. But I don't think you can be

critical of Kingsbury if your choice is Mahome. I mean, when you look at the talent that Mahomes he has, uh, the intangibles that Mayfield has, it's far he you know, he's just he's a he's a guy. That leadership intangibles is that he has as far as you know, he brings to the table a lot, as far as getting a team loaded up on his back and hey, we're going to win this game. And if you had watched the postgame show, you wouldn't compare him to Manzel. Why

because Manzel would have made it all about himself. And I thought Baker did a nice job of making it about the team multiple games for Cleveland, by the way, and and he and he handled himself really well when everybody else on the set was so giddy and beside themselves, including Reggie Bush and Michael Irvin. Uh, he was the calming factor on there. And I thought that was a

very mature thing. He's a smart guy too. I mean, he's he's had his incidents obviously off the field, you know, college kid incidents and stuff like that that out of the good ones have yeah yeah, yeah yeah, um, and I need to keep him out of Arkansas, right, They'll try to keep him out of Fayetville, Yeah, Vietnam. But anyway, um yeah. And from a leadership standboy, you look at this quarterback here and and um Dak plays with a lot of confidence. And I think that it's uh something

that energizes a team. And you know when a great example of us last November, when this team played as had as horrible a three game stretch as the Cowboys have ever had, uh, and he kept the faith, you know, and I think that's why they were able to finish somewhat strongly. You know. In turn, think you're onto something though about playing with pace. Yeah, we've talked about it here before. You know, if you do, and we call it a college attack, or at least I do, if

you if you have you played to his strengths. I think that's what huge Hugh Jackson, the we're gonna learn leveland you got to play to his strengths, whatever that is, moving them around the pocket or letting him make throws however you want to do it. But that's how you get your quarterbacks going. That's how you get your offensive go to go. You find a way to play to these guys' strengths, and if it means having to play it a little bit faster pace, trust him. He's going

to go make some plays for you this quarterback. And if that's a you know, if that's the way you have to win games, I'm all for that. Hey, remember taking it to Seattle. Remember the preseason game where when Romo got hurt and that became the starting quarterback. And remember Zeke in that game, how he took it to

the legion of Boom. I mean, I think a great collision with him and Cam Chance act and he he was a leader in that respect the way, and that was a meaningless preseason game, okay, but I think that set the tone for that entire season, just the attitude that Zeke had against that established veteran defense and Tho took it to him, and that that's the attitude they

need to have when they go up there. It's a totally different Seattle team than what they faced before, but in that atmosphere that's gonna They're gonna be playing in a home opener for the Seahawks on and it's a desperate, you know, wounded tiger. That they got to have that same attitude when they go up there on Sunday. Those guys wanted to welcome the rookie to the NFL that exactly, and he knew it was up to the challenge. He knew it was coming. Yeah, he need He's one of

my keys to the game, Brian. I think they got to get him going somehow to try to take the crowd out of it. But you mentioned pace. I'm with you there, and like with Mayfield that I don't watch as much Oklahoma football as you do, but it seemed like that reminded me of the Oklahoma offense when he was in there. Defensively talked about speed. We talked to Rod Marinelli yesterday. He said, this is the fastest defense he's had in Dallas. Just the overall team speed on defense.

And I think that's he didn't go as far as to say Chicago or Tampa Bay where he's been. Now that was those were championship level defenses. But that side of the ball too. There they are flying around and that's another thing they're gonna have to be able to do that. Team speed is critical to stopping Russell Wilson on who asked a question to him about if he was calling defenses. I don't remember. Get asked a couple of different times. It was at early. It might it

might have been taught. Arch Gut asked late. Okay, yeah, it was several times. Do you worry about Chris Rashard doing too much in this game? Um? No, because I think he's he's already done this the first couple you talked about the speed and all that you know and things. I mean, does he does he don't calling the game. I don't know that he has carte blanche treatment. I think that the way Rod was talking, it was almost like suggested the head coach telling the offensive coordinator. Okay, look,

let's not I'm sorry I missed that. That was let's dive into that. Were you there when this was discussed Marinelli, both of us, Okay, so that's a good job of being there though. Yeah, that's right. And because that was the story that came out of yesterday, I mean, if you were watching the TV tape, especially the TV copy on Sunday night, it was obvious that Richard was heavily involved. If you were not, they didn't see the sideline shots.

It was obvious that Richard was heavily involved just seeing what they were doing defensively. Yeah, the amount of blitzing they you know, and the other thing. And I was talking with Rod when we walked off. You know, it's one thing to blitz, it's another thing to get there. This team has blitzed previously and they don't get there. They didn't have guys that knew how to dry. These linebackers are better at it. The guys coming off the

edge are better than it. Because before I remember seeing them blitz and they'd get picked up and they did sit there and do the little bear dances. And now they're actually getting there and and the scheme is getting there also, So it looks like they're blitzing more when you're having success. But yeah, I thought Rod was really good when he explained it. He goes, Hey, the thing about what goes on around here as team, and we're a team, and I don't need all the all the praise,

all the glory. It's like, if he's doing it and he's got the hot hand, he's gonna go. But he also said that, you know, I'll be in his ear, and it's like, don't forget this or think about that, and and I thought it was a you know, it sounds like it's they've got a good coordination going. Now can I ask another question? Yeah, would it be to their advantage to have him call primarily call the defenses in this game? Well, that's what I was no one.

And now the problem is, Brian Schottenheimer is not Darryl Bevila, so you know he has so he I don't know if he has a lot of relationship with Brian Schottenheimer, but if he, if it was Darryl bevil standing over on the other sidelines, I think he could probably understand how Darryl might call a game. Yeah, and just his knowledge, he's been around Russell Wilson for six seven years now. Russell Wilson hasn't caught on with this offense yet. That's

been a big problem. You know. I think that the benefit of of his knowledge of the Seahawks is he knows the first personnel that intimately, it's not like you got to watch it on tape, right. I know what this guy can do. I know what this guy's good point, this is our good point, and he'll be able to I think exploit that a little bit and probably help both sides of the ball. You know, somebody asked Dak

how much does he helped you? And it was like, well, you know, he'll he'll say a few things, but he goes. You know, we watch tape and we see what you gotta see. But well, he's been a lot of time, really good. I took him through every single play that they've played him in the last few years. In fact, it was like Sean mcvaylike, wasn't it. Yes, recall, apparently we have we have someone else. We have discovered that Chris Richard, who can remember every play of every single

game he's been involved with in his life. Well, it's as coordinators, you always know what works and what doesn't work. You remember, like you say, you try and forget the ones that didn't. But in a game like this, yeah, if I'm Scott Linahan, I'm I'm taking him to dinner and I'm saying, listen, okay, I've got these thoughts. Tell me if this is gonna work. If I was cording, if you, if I was battling you with this, work against what you think that they're going to try and do.

And he because he knows Ken Norton. I mean he's worked with Ken Norton before, so Ken Norton, that is that is a familiarity he does have, right, So you know that's something that's worthwhile to keep an eye on. But now does Pete Carroll know him? Right? If now it's revealed that Chris Roshard is the one calling the defenses, calling the shots, now, oh we know exactly what he wants to do. Yeah, but like right, they have an offensive line they can handle it. Yeah, that's gonna be

The Seahawks are absolutely terrible. There's these are two teams that are terrible on third down playing against each other, by the way, I think Dallas is at twenty three percent or so in Seattle's at twenty eight. So we always it's very clicheic to say it's gonna come down to plow you play on third down, But what defense can force the other one to get off the field.

Russell Wilson's been terrible and third down. I think he's only six or seven to seventeen throwing the ball, and he's like two of six on third downs with like distance of three yards, three to seven yards. So you know, how do you get him in third down situations, if they're having as much problems as they're having a lot of the blitz as we've seen from the Cowboys have come on third down and they've been successful. That's one reason they've been able to get off the field. So

that they do more of that in this game. It might just depend on the matchups we'll see, But I do like, uh, you know the other thing about that, right, Mickey Dallas is twenty three percent, Yeah, and they're twenty eight percent. I think that's I just want to make sure I was right. Yeah, I want to make sure I was right. I knew you were gonna look me up. No, No, I knew you. I knew you were gonna do it. So I appreciate that that's teamwork, right there, Teams anything, accy.

I'm trying to be accurate here, you know. But on the subject though, of defensive coordinator, pass game coordinator, game plan, so forth, there's so much more that goes into it during a given week than then who's calling the shots

on players too. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think that a lot of a lot of fans who are casual fans out there don't understand that the responsibilities even that position coaches have on a staff, the important responsibilities that they have and that they are given, they are expected to do a lot and so I think, you know, people will make a lot about okay, who who the play caller is, but there's so much more that goes

into it than that. Well, and it's all a lot of that's pre planned, right, Yeah, there's a reason why they carry that sheet with them that that's that's not a sheet of one hundred and fifty plays and it's like, okay, let me pick this one. You know, they've got their tendencies and what they want to do on situations, and here's the choice of plays that we think will work in this situation, and so that it's all planned out

ahead of time. And Matt Eberflus did some of this for Rod in recent years too, but Rod acknowledge this is more on Shard's plate than maybe Matt had in the past. And I think a lot of it too has to come back to just overall. They have such a similar philosophy on how they believe in defense should be played, and it goes back to just their own coaching trees essentially. You know, Richard kind of came from the same style as Rod. So I think there's just

a comfort level there with Rod. Pete Carroll was with Marinelli and Monty Kiff and that's where he learned there. It is all the way back to Pacific when they were Yeah, so it's a long way. I mean, the branches are intertwined in a lot of different ways. Yeah, Okay, we will continue here on Talking Cowboys. There's a Terrence Williams report out there as well, and of course we brought that possibility up earlier in the week, and we'll take your phone calls eight eight eight eight five five

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to eat. Right, you got your half hour on Tuesday, Yes, hours, a lot of fun come out the outdoor facilities that are covered. Yes, it's right. You see on the you sit outside and have cocktails at Concrete Calbern. Watch it rain, Watch it rain. Yeah. And one time we were on Sunday afternoon, weather permitting. Well, I haven't got that kent. Help me out, producer three twenty five kickoffs. It'll probably about two o'clock. Yeah, yeah, we'll be out at two

ten outside outside. Yeah. That's why you kind of confused me, because I thought maybe you knew something I didn't know. Bill, we're outside. Yesterday I was outside and we had our high school show, Friday Night Stars, which airs at six thirty to seven o'clock on Thursday night. Friday Night Stars on Thursday night and in pre right, previews of high school football weekend and the rain. We just beat the rain.

Oh yeah, I mean we were there from six thirty to seven, and this dark, ominous law was approaching Tostito's championship plaza just as we were signing off, and I and of course the crew had to but Bill said, you know, I kind of get going here, talent leaving set. That's exactly right. And so by seven seven o'clock in thirty seconds, I always in my truck beating that raid. So very good. But that's every Thursday night we're out there,

weather permitting. All right. David Moore than Dallas Morning News has the report today about Terrence Williams and a looming suspension. What do you make of this? I think David Moore's late to the party. I don't but we don't know, right, we don't know. We official, nothing official, but we you know, when David Moore usually prints something, it always kinds of worries me a little bit. But but to me, we

talked about it as a potential. Again, nothing official yet, but I think it was you know, to me, they talk about competition and all that stuff, and I think it's more about protecting himself. If in fact that is the case. Yeah, if something does happen, then it puts the Bryce Butler signing in much clearer focus then, because I mean we were debating early part of the week, like on Sunday when the news came out that okay,

that they're thinking about signing Bryce Butler. You're wondering, okay, yeah, how many wide receivers is this now? I mean, yeah, we've already been talking about thirteen wide receivers on the roster, and something's got to be up. We've already been talking about six as it is, and how you disperse these snaps, and I don't think they've figured that out yet. Even so, now, if you've got seven active Sunday, somebody's gonna have to be inactive. We'll figure out who it is. I mean,

basically on the injury report yesterday. Right, here's that too limited? Don't you think it's gonna be Butler? If everybody's healthy, I would think If everybody's healthy, yes, based on Bryce just getting here, I would think so, you would think, yeah, but yeah, that's you know, Cole. It must have happened during practice because he was out there for the early part, right, Yeah, it wasn't on the report on Wednesday, so, but he was in the locker room yesterday. Now at that time,

we didn't know what was going on. I didn't notice anything different about him, So no raps or anything like that. I wasn't looking real close, but I don't. I don't think. So we're gonna have to go around and tell everybody stand up. Yeah, maybe we'll do that. See anything wrong, any noticeable limps? No, and Sean Lee limited in practice, but he says he's gonna play Sunday. That was a step in the right direction because he went from DMP to limited and he said he's playing. So I think

the intense there now we got to see. And he still describes it as a cramp in his hamstring. He was asked is it a hamstring or cramping? And he said, it's cramping in my hamstring. Is that possible medically? I don't. I don't know. Well, your your hamstring can cramp up, can't it. Well you never got cramps in your hamstring. I've never had a hamstring problem, never, never, like even like way of all people, mister injury man, I've never had like waking up in the waking up in the middle.

Have you never woke up the middle of night and grabbed your hamstring because it craff always my calf strings? Oh, calves, that's because I got some hamstrings. Yeah, so yeah, I can't say that I've done a lot of that sprinting. I haven't done a lot of sprinting in my life, So I'm thinking that my hamstrings aren't very well developed. Oh I'm the cramp in your string. I got the largest calves in America. You do you have candle up cass. Oh,

they are unbelievable. I have three hundred fifty pound offensive lineman calves. Really do I've noticed that about you, Bill, I'd be shocked. If Sean doesn't play right. I think he's I mean, I think they've probably been pretty deliberate with him so far in practice. I think he's helping on playing in this game, and maybe they don't say, Okay, you got to play all sixty seven plays and they've been rotating those guys anyway. You know, we got I got tweets during the game and why is Sean outen?

That was I think before the hamstring first couple of games. They will take him out for a series. They did against the Panthers too. Just be very judicious when you do it, you know. I would just like to keep talking about Sean Lee because I love what in the video of Sean Lee playing. There to a showing right now on the advantage of watching talking cowboys on the On the video side, if he's listening to it, Bill's describing Sean Lee making all kinds of tackles here right

device at home. There, there you go, Kate Garrison making the magic hat. Oh, now we're back to us, because that all right? Well, does that beg the questions team is better off? Can they survive without playing without Sean couldn't last year? I think last year better equipped? Maybe better equipped? Probably a bad word dance, you wouldn't prefer it. But I think the way Jalen has progressed. And Layton, I think he's played pretty well the first couple of games.

After reviewing coaches film, what do you think of Layton Vanders Layton Vanders playing the other day? I think that the thing with Layton vanderss you're always going to get is you're gonna get a guy that's he's got the size, he's got the athletic ability, he's got the ability to finish. When he gets around the ball, he can finish. He could be a physical tackler. What's surprising about him as though in college when he was not getting off blocks

well enough, but he was. He had some nice plays where he had to get to the outside, where he had to run, where he had to put himself in position, and so it wasn't I didn't think it was, you know, anything where I was going, my gosh, I mean, he's a liability, but no, he's They drafted him nineteenth overall for a reason, you know, and I feel like the more they get him involved, the better he might play.

So I'm all four. If they can get him out there and let him get some work, he's probably gonna make him mistake or two, just like Connor Williams does. But you know, if you talk about him, Dorrance Armstrong, Connor Wins, I mean, they've got some guys. To Mickey's point, yo, go out there and play some young players. Yeah a looks played a lot for a young wide receiver so far. So I think I think what makes it better it

was what Rob said about Jalen Smith. He's not a liability having to play fifty plays like he was last year, because look, Hitchens was bad, right, and he hasn't been bad for Kansas City. Yeah, but but but I think it was you got diminishing returns without Lee in there and his leadership, and then Jalen struggling a little bit, and you know, and and it always seemed like Damian Wilson was lost when Lee wasn't in there. When he was in there, he played well. But by the way,

I think he's played pretty well too. And then you got Joe Thomas you add to the mix, and so they they've got a deeper linebacker corps. They can do versatile things more so than all Right, I got three or four of these guys, and you know, the other guys play special teams and these guys can. So do you think that even if Lee wasn't having these hamstring issues that they would be taking him off the field anyway? In order they did? I know they didn't Week one,

and I but I kind of get making you. They've had him in bubble rep at the beginning of training camp, you know, and then I think that they were being just guarded and judicious is the word you use, Yes, And that's the correct word. You know, I let's let's be honest. Sean Lee's now in his thirties, you know, and there's a history there and it's a shame that

he is. One day they're going to look up and say, man, what a really great football player and then the next word out of Rob Phillips, Phillips mouth over concrete, cowboy is gonna be. But Brian, he never could stay healthy. He never could stay healthy, and so you have to think about that, and it's a shame too. It almost it's like it handicaps your ability. You want him out there every single play, But how did he get hurt?

In the Atlanta game, he was chasing the ball and all of a sudden he pulls up and you're like, going, it's weird because he got pushed from behind, but he's chasing, like and he just kind of grabs and you're going, but he's such a tightly wound player, you know, low body, fat, really knows his body knows is But it's to the point where almost it's like it handicaps him, and it handicaps the coaches that they he just can't you know, you can't say yeah, you can't say okay, he could

play sixty five plays. He could play fifty plays and it'll be the best fifty plays you had on defense all night. And get those fifty plays for hopefully sixteen games as opposed to and it hasn't happened. It hasn't happened. And at the same time, when he's not in there,

then you are preparing someone in his place. Looks like they finally got some players that can step up when you do take him off the field, and they're better prepared to fill in for him if he does go down with an injury because they've already been in the mix.

So I think it goes back probably to their meetings early in the off season coming out of last season, that that their personnel meetings, they made the decision that we have got to get more depth and better depth at the linebacker position because this is the way we need to handle Sean Lee. Now at his A Smith Covington. I mean, they're they're drafting Justin March, Lillard, Joe Tomas,

and they went out, they went out and got some linebackers. Yeah, that's one position that they look like they've really helped himself in the offseason and now Jalen too It's like I wrote about this week, the play he had, and everybody talks about the hit on Eli, which was tremendous, but late in the game, deep shot by Manning to Odell Beckham and he is turning and taking an angle and at a dead sprint helping break up that pass on maybe the best wide receiver and one of the

best wide receivers in the game. That's a different player than we saw last year. I mean, we talked last year about how he's better maybe going forward because coming off the injury, the change of direction, he's still working back into that. He's a different guy. He's a different guy this year and that only helps the group. All right, let's go to your phone calls. Let's go to Tim in New York. You're up, I'm talking Cowboys. Hello, Tim, Hey, thanks for taking my call first and brought us. You're

them in any show. You're I got a question for you, Um, should we leave running more twinning? One person? And let me tell you a reason to say that. We're having trouble getting to the middle linebackers. As we know, and you know, Joe Looney's doing a good job, but he's just not a guy that can get their way that Trevis Frederick could and or divide the defense like you always say, split the defense. Yeah, so should we be using the fullback more to try to dig out that linebacker? Well,

that's a good question. And you know, but if you had a fullback that can go in there and dig out the linebacker and let's I'm not going to put it all on Joe Looney, for there are some of the problems they're having with the mic linebacker or getting to a linebacker, because there's been some times where Zack Martin's got held up, Joe's got held up, Connor Williams has got held up, and then you mentioned when they've got into some twenty one personnel stuff. Oli Wally has

not done a great job with that. I mean, his indecision hurts, I think, and he's trying to search and find the right guy. Sometimes you need a guy that's just going to go in there and whatever the first color he sees, he blasts and then you go from there. So I as much as I thought that Old wall I think Old the Walley is a better special teams player than Keith Smith. I don't think he's a better,

better point of attack blocker. And so to your point, I would say, no, I wouldn't play more twenty one personnel. But what I would try and do is I would say, Okay, we need to find a way. Let's let's let's get the guy the second level. I mean, I know the intense there, but let's not okay, let's not just be right on securing the down lineman and then letting that guy run free. Let's hit him, hit the down lineman, pass him off, and then get to the second level

if we can. I think it's more of a scheme a scheme change, than it really is a personnel change. Now, have I maybe I'm making this up, and because I had to watch the first game on TV, but it looked like not a lot, but a couple of plays. Have they used an h BAC like one of them? Yeah they used they used Shultz, right, Yeah, they use Shultz, but Schultz is not again, that's they don't have they don't they don't have a guy. And and God bless

Ola Wally. And seriously, I mean Ola Wally. One of the reasons why you have three running backs is because Ola Wally can play as a single back, hen be a tailback and he's not. He's and I used to term it's a scouting term called a glass eater. You know, these guys, they're just tough, grinding out guy. I think Keith Smith was that. Keith Smith would just throw his body in there and whatever the first bit of cloth

he saw he was hitting. And Oli Wally is a little bit of a feel move feel, and you know, and I don't think that helps Zeke. I don't think that helps Zeke at all because Zeke wants to take it and go. He doesn't need somebody in front of

him with its indecision. There's a couple of cuts that Zeke made and I'll just give you example a couple of cuts in the game where even and this is where when lineman even get turned a little bit, Zeke takes a ball when he feels like a lineman has cut some off, he'll take it that way where the lineman was in bad position. And if he would have stayed the path he was on, he would have it would have probably been a better game. But because the contact point of the lineman was off, it threw him off.

That's just the way he plays with vision. So you know, any indecision in front of him is not good. And I think we get that with Ola Wally. Time to get Antoine Woods ready full back. But that's kind of a college idea, Yeah it is. I mean, like I was thinking, a body type really kind of the only one that kind of fits with you, you know, because and he's just foolish enough to stick his head in there. You know what, he gets off the ball quick. I mean, I like what you're saying. I just and and to

your point is absolutely right. Mickey's trying to tell you, and it's the right way. Give me somebody that doesn't give a damn and it's gonna run as hard as he can inside and hit somebody. He's out, he's available right now? Is this this guy, the big tight end guy from Oklahoma back in the day, Blake Bell Bell Dozer. No not. I like him and my daughter's great friends, his wife. And now what's he doing now? Is he's in Norman, Oklahoma? Yeah, I mean he's out. Oh he's

out and doing nothing. Okay, right, I thought that's who you were gonna go without. No, but it's another o. You gut Aaron Ripkowski who was with Green Bay and I was just looking at him up he is that big Bronco Nagurski bruising. Yeah, he's the guy with no face mask and slamming it. See. I haven't watched him that closely enough, but that's the way it was used at OU. But but see, okay, now you're gonna go

for the special team's aspect. And that's the thing. Yes, the Cowboys, even if there is a guy like that out there that they want to bring in, they have no spot for him unless you're cutting well. To me, the ultimate the ultimate thought would be to use the guy doesn't play special teams. But if somehow you could train Rico gathers into playing, yes, that back and if you his body is big enough to just go in there and maul somebody. But the problem is though will

he will? He be hesitant too? Is he willing? And he's he willing? That's that's Repkowski has that. Yeah, this is a guy that runs into a wall six or seven times again. I remember him well from Green Bay. Yeah, and in fact, he actually carried the ball in a couple of games. Oh no, they hand the inside a quickle inside handoff. I was surprised that they cut him. I am here for a six eight fullback. I am here for that. I'm just see him for I've never

seen that. I mean because actually yeah, but he Nicky brought up a good point. Could you could you use an eight I know what you're saying, and he's back, and I mean because type yeah, you know that the giants, I mean one thing, a true fullback. You want a guy with a low center of gravity. And Schultz is for that guy than in the other tight ends at the Cowboy. Yeah, but Schultz has got a little bit of apprehension about him as well. I mean that's the problem.

Keith Smith didn't care, you know, he really didn't. I mean, he was like he was. He would get on the path and he would just run until he until he'd hit somebody. You know, it didn't matter what his own guys, but you need that kind of player. If to the to the caller's question, if yeah, he's got the right idea. If you can't get to the full, if you can't get to the mic linebacker, use twenty one personal. But

do you have these you have that person. I never thought we'd talked ten minutes, twelve minutes, twenty one person. But but that's because most people are saying, oh, just spread them out. That's right. Steven Whitton was saying, say once again, they missed James Hannah. That's you know, that's why we're talking about this, right. There's there's players and there's another Oklahoma guy by the way, Bill. There's players.

There's players that that you don't when they leave, you're like going, god, well, there are people that were always like stunt man. You know, okay, you know, bringing the stunt man. You know, okay, we're not gonna get Bill Jones injured. We're gonna put Brian broad Us in there and let him get injured. You know that's yeah, stuntman, get in stuntman and in boom. He goes in there

and gets destroyed. But the game is for twelve yards and Zeke and everybody, and he's he's giving it the eat signal, and James Hannah is like wobbling to the sideline right and then and then and then three plays later, stuntman. And then James Hannah gets back in there and does a stuntman move. And I was just looking at Ripkowski. He was battling a back injury last year, which is probably he was a stuntman. Yeah, and probably the packers cutting.

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one more question on that. Do y'all shave in the shower? At the shower? It's a shower hard on the water bill, but shower shower. Yeah, you have a mirror, bush, No, I've mastered the I don't. I don't have a mirror. And that's why once irns here and there. Yeah, you gotta get out, ficks that when you get out, when you got a mirror? All right, you brush your teeth in the shower? No, no, why would anyone do that? People do that? Save time? Seriously, save time? How does

it save time? You know? Shave brush your teeth? Speaking of showers, I got a question, okay, yeah, Jimmie Showers. I could use him running the straight options. It's a locker room question. So the guys go in and take a shower. They need the shower. And then when they and I watched yesterday and at least five five of them came out like this with their own in the shower. So, no, they have like a phone holder, like when you go

in there to pay. Phone is waterproof? The new ones are, so they have to have your phone in the shower. It's the music. Yeah, I saw, I saw one after another another coming out with their phone out of the shower. I don't know when you get the checks they get. I think they can afford a new phone, that's true, Okay, And for any of you who are I thought maybe they had one of those platforms, you know, like when you go to a wedding, what if you don't like the music of the guy next to you in the

shower when you walk in. Maybe waterproof there too, Yeah, yeah, there might be a guy in there with a phone. Check And by the way, for any of you, a check shower at the fitness center and then go into the restroom to shave at the sink, keep your towel around you, yes, please please? Can I share one more? Pete? And maybe we'll get back to football and what I was gonna say and dry your feet. Two. The other thing, too, is if you're going to the bathroom and you're at

the urinals, don't put your phone away. Don't don't handle your phone while you're handling your business. Yes, don't do that. That's unsanitary, okay, because then you're gonna use the handle and then yeah, and everybody's getting dirty germs, right and you might call me and I'll get germs from you. You can check your phobic about grabbing the handle on the door coming out a little bit. I mean, I mean, you don't check what have you have? You get the door open? Do you can? You can take a towel

and do that. I'm just saying, like you can check Twitter after you pee, you know what I mean? Like you can you can wait, you can wait, it can wait. Anyway. This is like this like Shannon Show, right, Yeah, we talk more football on Shannon Show this afternoon than this One's all right. One NFL city is more fired up about football right now than Cleveland. More fired up? What the NFL city is more or as fired up as Cleveland is about their TEAMMP tamp But let's go to

Alan next up. I'm talking Cowboys. Hello Allan, Hey, good morning. I'm hoping we can talk more about the showering and the shaving, But listen, I would like to come back to a conversation that Brian and Mickey had after the

first about the quarterback play. I want to say that I really appreciated you taking that on that issue head on, because you were talking about the difference between Dak's performance when he stays in the pocket or when he rolls out, and Brian was making the case, you know, look, we have to talk about what are we saying about the quarterback and his abilities and is he a better out of the pocket passer, And Mickey pointed out that when he rolled out, he still threw the ball to tight

end's feet. And now when we look at this week and his performance, i'd like your opinion. I'd like to come back to that discussion about what you guys think about. What I saw this past week was a return to his season one performance and where he actually seemed best to me was as a pocket passer, not when he's

throwing the ball on the move. Most of his bootlegs are not successful from what I can see the last few years, and you guys also pointed that out when he does the bootleg, whether it's a coverage issue, his tight ends are not getting open, and he does not throw the ball from what I can see nearly as well as when he just sits in the pocket and has a little bit of time. He is a very

accurate passer. And I'd like to hear your guy's opinion about this whole idea of rolling him out, having him throw on the move, or keeping him as a pocket passer when he's going to throw the ball. Okay, I think there's a difference between a called rollout bootleg and throwing the ball then having to scramble away from trouble and try to throw the ball on the run. Usually he's throwing off his back foot when yes, yeah, that's when he gets himself in trouble. Yes, I think from

the bootleg standpoint, it's not all that bad. But the caller's right teams have gotten onto that and they and they've snuffed out his options on where to throw the ball, and guys aren't getting open as they did when he was a rookie. I thought, But yeah, you know he is.

I think he's better in the pocket, but if it's a called bootleg, I think he's Okay, it's those scramble ones that he tries to make something out of nothing and you get yourself in trouble, which I think Baker Mayfield will find out also because I think he found out last night that he's not as fast in the NFL as he was in college. The guys were running

him down and he can't break tackles like he could. Yeah, if you, if you, if you're into the numbers, just looking at where Dak throws the ball, what do you think he's thrown sixteen passes to the right sideline. How many of those you think he's completed? I would have no idea. Um, okay, well he's a six he's something for sent passers. So let's say sixteen passes to the right sideline. If you I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna walk his percentage. Yeah, he's two of sixteen

and some of those are throwaways, I bet. Yeah, But yeah, yeah, how about this? And to Nicky's point, he's seven from seven, he's seven from seven in the middle of the pocket. Seven for seven, that's what they've got, and they've got he's he's ten of twelve thrown to the left sideline. So clearly he struggled. He's clearly struggled throwing the ball to his right. And maybe a lot of that is

with the boots and the waggles and thing. But think about this, if if you're unloading one, you're not thrown across your body to the left, You're thrown to the right. Yeah. So, so half his completions last week we're throwaways, and I bet every one of them went to the right. He's twenty two of twenty five of throws from one to ten yards. He's four of eleven from throws of eleven to twenty yards. Can we get them to subtract the throwaways from their I didn't I didn't say targets. I

didn't say targets. I didn't say targets. I know that drives Mickey nuts, and he's absolutely right. But he's one of three from throws of thirty thirty or more yards. What do you think that one was bombs away? Yeah? Yeah, seven or seven the millwo pocket though I didn't think, I'm I wouldn't expecting that. I was not expecting that either. But I mean to me, if you watch him play, you would seem like to me, I don't mind him throwing on the move a little bit. I mean when

he has to scramble a little bit. I don't mind that, you know. I just want you know, I can understand playing in the pocket. I get that. I just want to see him do more read option stuff. That's what I want to see. I'm not asking him just to throw every ball in the move. I'm asking him to take the snap, read the defensive end, and run for

eight yards. I like it because it not only helps him get going, it helps Zeke because it gives him another running threat to worry about, and it kind of loosens things up for your true running back at times. All right, we're ready to get to our two minute offense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Friday Fearless Forecasts for Sunday in Seattle, Mickey, would you like to start with a pick of the game and a pick to click? And by the way, last week

I didn't get your pick to click. I didn't write it down, but you got the game, right, was it? You picked it? Nineteen seventeen? Yeah, Dallas Now Whiskey Events nineteen that's right, that's right. How about twenty four sixteen Cowboys twenty four sixteen Cowboys and your pick to click. Oh, I hadn't thought about that. Go around all right, we'll go around the games and then i'll tell you Rob Phillips I mentioned Zeke. I think, uh, if they're gonna have a chance to win, they got to get him going.

That's in the passing game too, So I'll pick him and you who's your winner. I'm going to Seattle in this game. I'm going law of averages. I don't think they're as bad as Ozo and two would suggests. I think the Cowboys are gonna have to avoid what happened in Carolina and not get in those situations where the crowd is affecting them and they're in bad down and distance. I just think Seattle's got to win this game to have a shot. And I think they're better than their

record suggests. I think they went at home. You have a score. I would say twenty one twenty Seattle. I think if you watch both teams, Dallas is capable of beating this team. Sure, I'm gonna take Seattle at home. Is that the same score as the two thousand and six Romo Bunch snaps a playoff game? Right? Something like that? It was close. And by the way, last week Rob had Dallas winning twenty to seventeen and DeMarcus Lawrence was

your pick to click. Okay, Brian brought us Yeah. I think by the way, Brian last week had Dallas winning twenty four thirteen and Sean Lee as the pick to click. Yeah, he didn't click all that well. I mean he was okay. But I think I'm with Rob on this. I don't think Seattle's a bad football team, and I think that it's gonna come down to how well Russell Wilson plays in this game for them, and they've been terrible on

third down as Dallas has been. I worry about the discipline with with the Cowboys defense is going to have to play in this game because I think that there's a lot of things that Brian Schottenheimer is going to have to look at offensive coordinator and say, you know what, we got to go back to doing some of the things that Russell Wilson can do well. I think you're

gonna see some read option stuff. I think you're gonna see really a large part because what Dallas the problems they had with it in the first half of the Carolina game. So I feel like that that's going to be a factor. I don't think Seattle's a bad team. I think their backs are against the wall. I'm gonna pick the Seahawks here to win this football game. I don't think it's gonna be a really, really high scoring game. I think it's gonna be one of those like twenty

to thirteen games. Seahawks. All right, and your pick a click was or is? Well, I mean it's gonna be Russell Wilson if they're gonna win. Yeah. But for the Cowboys, if the Cowboys are gonna win, I think that it's gonna have to be a defensive player controlling this. I think they're gonna have to tackle. Give me Jalen Smith in that if they're gonna all right, And I've thought all weeks Seattle because of the intangibles home home opener and all that, and today I decided to switch to

the Cowboys. If I'm gonna if I picked Cowboys to go eleven and five this season, then they need to win this world game. And so I'm going twenty four twenty three in a squeaker. The Cowboys win on the last second field go by Brett Maher, who is not my pick to click instead, it's Chito Awuzier my pick to click. Now, you're pick to click, Nicky to close it out. Nick's pick to click Randy Gregory. Randy one Gregor and you'll be back. And just to throw one

out there for you. This is compliments of Nick Eatman. When I pointed out that the Seahawks had won fourteen or the last fifteen home openers, Nick figured out that the Cowboys have won fourteen of the last fifteen third games of the season. There you go, and they're like two and one the last eight years after three games something like that. Yes, so that the only loss they had is in twenty fifteen when they had the lead in Atlanta with Weedon at quarterback. We'll talk about it,

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