Talkin' Cowboys: Could Witten Hang It Up?

course these guys are still grinding away getting ready. You know, Mickey joked, you can't see it in our studio, but there is a chair, a lazy boy type chair, and uh, I'm sure that's where you guys would like to sleep if you could. We're still recovering, are you. I don't know. With all the new cameras we have, we might have an angle of that chair. You might. Yeah, we should get a sleepcam. A sleepcam brought us just running on fumes. Are you doing good? No, I'm good. I'm ready to roll.

I've been working on these undrafted kids. So some of those guys should have been drafted. I don't know what the problem is, but I'm glad the Cowboys got a couple of them. We'll jump right into it. You know. Of course, we have the nine NFL draft picks, but of course, now there are eighteen undrafted free agents that will be here on the team at least you know for now. That's always kind of an up in the air. But you're mentioning some of the names. Which ones stick

out to you right now? I think if I the ones that I've looked at so far here and we've posted, I think the next set of four go up on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Cam Kelly, the cornerback out of San Diego State, was very impressive to me. Trevarious Ward, the cornerback out of Middle Tennessee. I think Ward. I think Ward's got a shot to make this team. I'll tell you why. As a quick footed kid and he's

stays in position, he tackles well. Cam Kelly, like I talked about him earlier, I was I kind of feel like that he might be a free safety in this in this scheme. The way he plays, so he's a little bit of not as quick guy, but he's got some link to him. He's a physical guy, so maybe keep an eye on him as a potential guy that they move. During training camp, I watched David Wells from the tight end from San Diego State. He is a in line blocker really more than he is an athlete

or a downfield player. So I kind of understand that de Quentin Osborne from Olahoma State is a short guy that plays as a one technique. You could also use him as a three. I like the way he plays up the field. I didn't see him at all because again I was looking at short guys, but I didn't see notice him as a short guy. I kind of liked the way he attacks the gap. And then this Kyle Quero from Northwestern is a guy that I kind

of like a little bit. He is a guy, he's a bigger guy in the six two two fifteen range. He's a guy that probably will project from a safety to a linebacker spot. So keep an eye on that one right there. I think that they're gonna move him, but you watch him down around the line of scrimmage, guys, he's really a good player, and when you play him deep,

he's a little bit more of a trouble there. Tyree Robinson was another He's a free safety from Oregon that's more of a true free safety than he is a strong So maybe what they're gonna do is gonna take Quero put him as a linebacker and then put Robinson as a true free safety and maybe do some stuff with Cam Kelly as well. So those are kind of what I got through so far. But Wards should have been drafted. Cam Kelly should have been drafted too well.

So there was a guy, Mickey, that you spoke very very highly of throughout the season and throughout training camp, especially Lewis Neal. He was an undrafted guy last year and he's found his way to maintain on the roster. So it doesn't necessarily mean you can't make the roster. It's just you know, they're different. Yeah, playing him at fullback, he's going to fullback. He's gonna move to fullback. So they like to do that so well, they're trying to

find if the guy's pretty just got talented. They did it with Keith Smith, you know, if if they want to keep, Yeah, if you want to keep, if you want you'd find spots for guys. If you want to keep them around, you'll say, okay, what about trying them here. I'm gonna give you something. Jamie Showers, Mickey and I did the show last night up at the Club and the Cowboys Club, and we were talking about the safeties.

The question came up. They they think that Jamie Showers and people are like, well, why do they do anything it's safety. Well, they brought a couple of guys in that potentially can compete. But they really talking to some guys this morning, they believe Jamille Showers, after a couple of years of working on the practice squad and stuff, has a chance to come in, step in and help. We'll see if he does or not, but they do like the possibility of what he could bring, So we'll

see what happens here in training camp. Well, safety's one, and you see the list of Goose linebackers. In that list, I'd say safety, linebacker, and defensive tackle, or three spots where a rookie free agent has a shot in terms of numbers to get on this roster, especially when you look at linebackers and safety is a guy that could play special teams might be able to crack it. I'm thinking about Barry Church, guys like that who were able to make the team with a special team's role. Jeff

Jeff Heath another dude. So those are three positions I look at and say, Okay, if you play that spot, you might have a shot to make the fifty three with a good camp. What about Marchie. I love that name. He should make it because Marchi Marchie Murdoch. He's a wide receiver. And you know, if you're looking at guys Cole Beasley, probably a little a little crowded there. It's a little crowded Marchie Murdoch. It's funny though, you know everyone called this Mountain West Draft for the Cowboys. Not

opposed to that. Got to give a shout out to them. But if you look at the undrafted guys, a lot of them come from Iowa State. You talked about two big guys from San Diego State. So sometimes it helps when you have scouts at certain schools. Well at Middle Tennessee. Again, Ward, I keep an eye on him. There's something about him to his game that I really really like. When you watched him play in that uh the Conference USA stuff. I mean, he is, he can cover, he's the movement

is really good for this kid. I again, I need to find out what the issues were were, but I didn't see anything on tape. It would lead me to believe that this kid can't play well moving forward. Of course, the draft ended on Saturday and the guys will be here. I don't know if we have exact dates, but is it Thursday or Friday? They heard get in on Thursday and then the mini camps the following week, So next week Friday Saturday. Yeah, yeah, they'll do that. So getting

ready to there. But now we're starting to look around the league and a lot of people were tweeting and mentioning it. Yesterday. Some former Cowboys were cut after the weekend. I think Terroll McClaine was a big name people were talking about, and then JJ Wilcox safety again was cut. Is there any ever any interest? I know you guys did a mailback on that. Yeah, I think I think there's interest in the defensive tackle. I do McClain. I think that's a position that they need to kind of address.

And you know, if you look at it, we we talked about the draft really didn't bring that to Fruition for whatever reason. There were guys on the board. I felt like that they could have gone, but they went a different direction. And that's okay for them, but you know, they they they look at this the undrafted guys, and they really wasn't name help. I felt like though that McClain played well enough. Uh you know with the combination. You look at him and what he was able to

do with MALIEK. Collins, that was a pretty good one. Too. Little punch in side right there. So I was told that they will explore that opportunity. I don't know about JJ Wilcox though, unless Mickey's got something different from me, I can't imagine there that ship is sailed. Okay, well McClain McClean isn't explore and Wilcox is. Mickey said it's on its way to another port. Yeah, yea or Rob Rob might have looked into that too. You going to

that one too? Yeah? Maybe? What do you think? I don't know if he's a cover guy that they're looking for. I mean, I think you look at the guys that have been available in free agency that they didn't go after, scheme fit. They want a guy back there who can play true free and that's not that's not JJ's forte. So. But Clain's interesting though. I think it comes down to money though. You know, one year, one point he made seven point five million dollars you know what way, Yeah,

it's she didn't pay him that much. His contract came to really a one year deal seven point five million dollars. Yeah, they'll do that. They'll they'll take a guy from the Cowboys and pay him way more than the Cowboys or we're willing to. Yeah, they really liked him when he was here. I don't know if the three to four in Washington was a fit for him. So um, but again, it's gonna come down to money. Look, they just traded for a guy they like, johad Ward, a young defensive tackle.

So did we'll tell you they we're gonna play him a defensive tackle? Did he tell me that? Yeah, since you're on this bit of telling me information, did anybody tell you where they're gonna play him? No? I did not. I said that during the draft press conference they got play Hm at defensive defensive tackle. Okay, I know they thought he was out of position as an end of three to four end yeah, well three to four end, yeah, as a really a linebacker five technique guys. So, I mean,

I don't know. I mean some of his production was inside playing as a defensive tackle, So I don't know. I think he's going to it sounded like he was going to tackle, Okay, I mean, he's what six four, two ninety five. They yeah, he was, he's gotten bigger. I know that. I don't think he's an end. No, yeah, he'll he'll go inside, and I think they look at him, you know, he might be a David Irving starting kid. I knew. I knew that Will really liked him coming

out of college. I knew that was something that when when they mentioned the name, When when the Raiders called and asked for be asked for Switzer and the name they brought up, and that's what made the trade really easy for them. Absolutely. Yeah, Well we're talking about other traded guys, and of course we have the benefit of being here at the Star and for us going seeing yesterday, Tavon Austin was already out here getting involved in the

workouts yesterday. Are you guys excited about this? I know it was kind of fast moving and a lot of different things will shake out before the team even hits the field for the season, But Tavon Austin, a Dallas Cowboy, Yeah, I think I think it shows a maybe a philosophy shift, or at least an idea of some new wrinkles that

they might put into this offense. I think with we talked about Dak friendly, and I think this is a guy who can be in the short passing game, run after catch and kind of take advantage of what Dak does well instead of worrying so much about a guy that I mean, he's got deep speed, but I think I think that part of his game can add something different to what they're trying to do offensively. And Deante Thompson's kind of that guy as well. They're they're trying

to Jerry talked about this at the combine. They need to find different ways to attack defenses and maybe take things from the college game, and I think Austin can kind of help in that way. But they also envisioned him like Lance Dunbar was here, or he might get some carries this you know, everybody viewed him as a receiver, but this is a guy who had He has almost two hundred career carries, So I think there's a lot

of different ways they can use him. I do wonder how many times you can give him the ball per game, though, I mean, you know this is this is still Zeke's offense when it comes right down to it. He's a web back. Come on, web web You have you heard have you heard of that phrase? Never neither, And I've been here since ninety two doing stuff, but even used it like but Brian and I have we we've we've figured it out. It means just when you look at the spider web, it just you have the ability to

kind of stretch around. He'd better figure out how not to fumble, or he's not going to be here those balls that yell at you, right, yeah, if he if he's screeching one, if he if he puts the ball on the ground a bunch, and that he has a history of doing that, it's no guarantee he's going to make this football team. But he's in a situation where he better figure out how not to fumble. I think that's one of the reasons Lucky Whiteheads off the field.

Lucky Whitehead's situation too, putting the ball in the ground. That made people very comfortable around here. I think Luck he had some other problems too, As I said, off the field. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, if you if you don't, if you don't secure the ball and whatever they're trying to do, and you're right about him, and you watch him the West Virginia tape, this was an incredible player.

Like I say, throwing the Texas game, you draft him right where he was drafted because the players he made put him in the backfield, hand it to him, throw it to him, swing it to him, you know all that stuff. But he's he's had he's had some fumble issues and that's something that you know, the minute that starts to happen, he will get people to turn on him a little bit. We spoke to him Saturday after he got traded, and he blamed a lot of last

year on injuries. You know, he said he had a wrist injury that required surgery, he had hamstring early in camp, and maybe the Rams didn't quite know how to use him. Maybe fumbles were a factor, but he was kind of a non factor for them last year. That worries me a little bit. Sean McVay is understanding. Sean say, it's not his type of receiver, but you look at what he did with Jamison Crowder at Washington, A smaller guy, a quicker guy, a slot guy, kind of got him

really involved. And the fact that they didn't get Austin involved, and you know, the Rams even extended him, they gave him, you know, more money and so that to me in itself, But they never could figure out ways to really get him going, and I hope the Cowboys come up with some creative ways to make that way. I felt like they never could get ways with Sammy Watkins. If you're gonna go with their team, I mean it was just

Todd Gurley year. Yeah, it's a free look. I mean he sure got a million dollars based salary and doesn't kick in until the team, so it's a free look. But the way they talked about him in the press conference, oh no, I'm like, they've got a role for this guy, but you they do. I mean he's the toy running back. Yeah, and maybe the kick returner as well. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely. He has to overcome a lot of history, and I

mean history in a way of things happened to him. Okay, you draft a player, why was he not the player that he wasn't? And he and you could talk about injury and stuff like that, and you know you wonder, I mean you wonder why. And again, I think Sean McVay is a very creative coach, and that would worry me a little bit. I bring him in. I'm with Mickey, free look I'm all for that, But you're going to find creative ways to use him. I think that's something

that we need to find. I think you'll find out out very early. You know how he's involved. Is he is he going to be the jet sweep guy? Is he going to be a screen guy? Is he just going to be a kickoff punt return guy. Go back to twenty fourteen, how the Cowboys used Dunbar. That's kind of what they wanted to do. They worked out before the draft. Yeah, so they were thinking the same way, and they were looking at those those type of running

backs in the draft. They just kind of went before they wanted to take one, right, So I think that's the role you see them, you know, a change up running back that comes in and and what is he? Yeah, let the defense figure it out. Now, he's got to produce when they go to him. That's that's my that's my I mean, I still see Dunbar catch and that forty yard pat was it against New Orleans before he got hurt downfield? You were that you were on you liked the idea of Dunbar returning. Yeah, I would have

been fine with that if they couldn't find anything else. Now, this guy is probably a little faster, um, maybe a little more versatile, maybe a little bit more explosives. Yeah, as a receiver. Yeah, And injuries have been a problem for Lance. Yeah. I mean every every year. Just look at the calendar and say, okay, what day is it. Yeah, that happened to him last year. A great guy, great guy. And then the Cowboys were looking at maybe had some

interest in maybe bringing him back in that role. But I think I wonder if they were looking at somebody early on Day three, like Tavon's a few years older than these rookies coming in, and they didn't find that guy, and so hey, this this trade was on the table, didn't sound like it. It sound like the guy they were really hunting was the receiver fell in their lap. And then and then Armstrong, the defensive end. That's who they want. Yeah, they weren't trying to trade back in

the draft for anybody else. They mean, I've thought when we're on the draft, we were talking about it. We thought they were going back for more the free safety from Southern miss And nah, they were going back in Awe for Arms. They were worried about him making it too when he was picked there and that's so, that's true. They thought about him at eighty one. Yeah, and well,

a couple of different things happened the Seahawks. They were gonna, you know, if you think about the draft, some things I've learned and I don't know, say if you're gonna get into him or not. We have time to visit for a second. You're gonna take a break. What are you gonna do? I think we can visit about this

second round at fifty they were talking about seats. Earl Thomas, Yeah, I mean Earl Seattle called and said, hey, listen, you interested, and the fact that the Connor Williams was on the board. They said, no, we're not. We're gonna you know. And then Dallas in the third at eighty one called back. So you know, there was a there was a lot going on in that second and third round when it

came to backs. But it seemed like to me in the third that just talking to some folks that Armstrong was that guy, so should have told him call me back on Saturday. How would that make you feel if you were Earl Thomas knowing like okay, they would have chased, you know, done this deal. Then they didn't really want me. Well, that's just that just shows you how much they thought of Connor Williams. Evidently Rob Phillips column love that pick or the need for that guy. Yeah, I think that

Chaz is good. Um, but Chad's not going to play inside at guard. I don't think he was a guard. And all you had at this point is Marcus Martin, and I think we were all in agreement. You didn't want to move Leo Collins to guard, so you you know, you filled a hole. Yeah, he did, and he started working already. I saw a picture of him running the hills at Cupelle High School concert on Sunday. Where did you see that? Mickey? Where did I see it? It's

on Twitter on social media, you know. I I got it off the phone of his uncle who showed me the picture. And then if you needed to know, trying to do family, Yeah, I know, and I jabbed back, didn't I got me all right? So much what he just said I think I think, Um, it puts the balance back in this offensive line to where now you've invested this much in Lyle Collins at tackle, keep him there. They think this guy ideally, it's kind of like Zack

Martin coming out of school. Arm reach wise, he's not he's probably not an ideal tackle, but put him at guard. He's physical, he's nasty, he's athletic. He fits in And now all of a sudden, they're deep again. They're deep, and they're talented and they're athletic. And when this offensive line is all those things, this team's usually pretty good, especially when you've got an elite back and you're you know,

banking on Zeke for sixteen games. This shoot, I think this is the move that gets the Cowboys competitive again in the division, like we're talking maybe when in the division. I really believe that if the defense can stay solid, I think this is this is a playoff team again. It really But there's another element to that. Now they have a backup swing tackle. That's what I said. They got options Now Fleming can play that swing tackle spot. But so Williams. I'm not I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

The guard cost him last year. Not having somebody behind Tyron Smith cost him last year. Yeah, you could kind of get by. It didn't cost them. But you guys wanted an upgrade from Jonathan Cooper, didn't you. Well yeah, yeah, I mean I think you looked at those two spots and said, ah, they're not where they need to be. And it was a disaster when Tyron got hurt. A disaster.

But now we're open. That's fixed. There's a trickle down effect because now you don't have to move Lale Collins and and so you leave him there because if you moved Lale Collins inside and Cameron Cameron Fleming was your starting right tackle, then okay, who's your backup swing tackle? Yeah, you still and have that good points. Good points. When we come back, we are going to get into the future of Jason Witten and the update there and what that will mean for the team. Of course they drafted

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regarding his retirement, what his next step will be. Now there's news of maybe a different network coming into play, and you know, other people talking about what it means his contract in the financial standoff it might impose with the team. But what have you guys heard? What is the latest and what's the update you have for the Jason Witten retirement? Mick, Yeah, go ahead say the break. Yeah, we're waiting, just like everybody else's waiting. We are. I

don't know that there's an update, you know. He My understanding as of yesterday was he was still contemplating that he hadn't made a decision yet and he can't seem to decide if he wants to take the deal that probably he shouldn't refuse or play another year. And I thought it was interesting listening to Emmett Smith talk about it this morning, and he was pointing out that, you know a lot of times what players do is they want to hang on that one more chance to go

to the Super Bowl. And sometimes you know, you think, okay, this maybe this next year, and it's like ten years later, you still didn't go. And and uh so that's part of the reason why guys don't want to retire if

they're healthy. And he's fortunate he is healthy. U. So that's a great appointment because more shot, you know, I think both you and Rob were there last week when he was honoring those men that were part of his Score Foundation with the J. C. Penny and Michael Strahan partnership, and he kind of opened it up and he's talking about, you know, Michael Strahan and he said he said it with you know, kind of sarcasm, but he goes, you know, that guy won two Super Bowls with the Giants while

I was down here not happy about that. And I you know, it's something that that stings when you talk about his career because he is such a such a great and it's unfortunate that at this current time he's not able to put Super Bowl winner next to his name. I don't know how you pass up an opportunity broadcast on money night football. I don't, especially for amount of money supposedly. I don't worry about the money. It's it's

one of the most iconic positions. It's if you look at the if the history of television, Monday Night Football is just as just as popular as any series Dallas, any any any series one. I almost said the Simpsons. It's been around twenty nine years. But you think about iconic television programs and the list of guys that are broadcasted for that is very, very few. And I you know, Witton's had a hell of a career. We can all you call him gold jacket wit, but I feel like

you cannot pass an opportunity up like that. I really really don't. What if it does College Game Day, I don't call it, okay, you know, if he does the SEC is a college guy like Man of the Year, Okay, if it came down to college, if it came down to the CBS version of the SEC Game of the Week, which he's a Tennessee guy, which would be perfect for him, you know, with him and Brad Nessler doing that kind of stuff. I kind of feel like, though, that that

that that would be a harder decision to do. But when you're talking about Monday night football, it's gone down, it has not had the ratings. Yeah, well, how about the league would help them with some games used to be Monday night football. It used to be yeah when I was growing up, as there was no Sunday Night. Yeah, that's the whole idea. Sunday Night gets incredible games. Sunday Night you used to be like kind of the AFC East pre Brady game where they just are West when

they just kind of give you two kind of average teams. Yeah, and now yeah, Sunday Night in some ways has become the new Monday Night. Yeah, but if you told me that, if you said, hey, listen, you can go do the Thursday night game, or oh okay, maybe it's a little bit tougher decision. It's still you're right. It is still really but his wheelhouse is the NFL. He knows the league, He's seen these teams, he's seen the players. It would be a lot easier to do Monday night football then

go back to college. I think that I think that the Jason Witton, to me, I never would believe have lieved that he was going to be a broadcaster. I always believed him to be a college football coach or a coach. I think his enthusiasm, his passion for the game translates better into college football. I think his broadcasting if he did college would translate. They would he would

he would get into it. Now, not to say he's not going to get into the NFL stuff, but he the way that he the passion that he has for the game, to me is more of a college atmosphere kind of a thing then the NFL, which is more of a business reminded. So that's part of his decision.

Would he wants a coach more than he wants a now you know what, if he wants to coach, yeah, I think if he would been out of the game for two years and had a chance to coach somewhere, he would have had a shot at the Tennessee job at University of Tennessee. I think he really would have. I think full former would have interviewed him as a possibility. I've always believed that he was going to be a coach. I just from the from the minute minute anything. Yeah,

he coaches his kids and life lessons every day. You watch how he interacts with people, those kids on the Cowboy you thing. You know, the intensity that he shows, of the passion he shows for that, and I know it's but it's kids. That's why I think the college game to him, if he was a college coach, it would make perfect sense. Coaching in his blood. I mean I spoke to his brother Sean for a while last year for a story I did on him and his brother's a coach. His brother's coaching at their old high

school where their grandfather coach for like thirty years. I mean, yeah, I agree. I've always thought that would and maybe eventually will still be the path. I don't know. I mean, he's only thirty five years old. Um, you just don't think of him as just thirty five though. No, he's been around forever. But twenty one years old. We got him here. Sean Witten told me though, like he felt like this is last year. Jason would hang it up eventually when he felt like I'm just taking up space

at this point. And I don't think. I don't think he does the youth movement of this team. I doubt he feels like that. Now. The question is does he can he can he get out there and feel like he can strap it up and like go one hundred miles an hour for until last months and do this. But until last week he felt like he could. He showed up for offseason work out. Somebody made him an offer he shouldn't refuse. Yeah, I think he was a portion. You know, I just don't refuse. Give me ten percent

to me. Yeah, it's it's difficult. It just shows you how much he loves the game of football. Because if it was me, Hello, Monday night football. You know, I've talked to John Gruden about that. You know, John got back into coaching, but John's a coach. John did Monday night football for nine years. He says. It's he says, it's he goes, you really focus on just that week, that job. But he says, it's an incredible experience going around.

He goes, I've never got to go to other teams facilities and talk to their personnel and talk to general managers and talk to coach and said, he goes, it's an incredible experience, he says, but I'm a coach. That's what I do. The Raiders made him, Mike Mickey said, an offer he couldn't refuse. Well, if if he wants

a coach. We've seen guys go from the booth to coaching, right, and maybe you learn the league a little bit and doing that job, and then it's like when you're forty years old, you go, Okay, I think I think yeah, because yeah, I think that Jason Witten was going to coach. I think he needs to be a coach. I don't. I don't say going into booth is to go go

get that experience. I wonder if I wonder if that's in the back of his mind, like I can play one more year and then I'll try to get into coaching and and and because if I get into this, my career path is going to change. Hey, look, Dan Campbell wasn't half the player or a quarter the player of what Jason Witten was. He went on to be a coach and he was interim head coach and the National Football League. And nothing against Dan Campbell. I love

Dan Campbell, but Jason Witten. If if if Jason Witton with the same path as Dan Campbell, he would be a head coach one day somebody would hire him as a head coach. Yeah, it's just you think about all the great players in the history of the league, and not many of them get into coaching because of the hours and because if you've made the money Jason Witten has, do you want to grind like? But who is committed to Who's committed to making himself the best player through

the hours? Jason Witten? There you go. Yeah, he's not late strong. Yeah, he's not lazy. No, no, I know you're not saying that at all, but he's not lazy different Yeah, yeah, yeah, guy gets worked twenty hours a day during the season. Yeah, you know. Now it's now on the family part of it. I mean his family understands now, he gets up, he goes to work, he comes home late that his family gets this. Yeah. Now, I'm just assuming the timeframe. A lot of people were confused.

Why would you wait so long to do this to your team? I am assuming just from the outsider looking in, it had a lot to do with the different contracts and different things that these networks could offer him, and just the way that those laid out with Gruden, you know, taking the job when he did, and other guys turning down down, and different things like that. Because I do think if Witten had thought, Okay, this is my retirement year. He wouldn't have waited as long as he did. Yeah.

And it's and it's my understanding that Jerry's been in the loop on this. I mean in the last I don't know, probably helping him in certain aspects. Yeah, I mean, it's it wouldn't be like Jason to just catch Jerry. Yeah, and you gotta have an offer before you can think about it. Yeah, I'm guarantee. It just came last week with all the ESPN people here for the draft. There's there's there's obviously tests that they do. You remember what Romo went through, the different tests that they had him

do games you come in. I just there's there's tests that they're gonna do, and they're gonna put that in front of audience and say, hey, who comes off as the best guy? And audience says, hey this Jason Witten. Guys pretty damn good at this. Yeah. And I always said, yeah, boom, here we go. I would love what Mickey said though, too, as far as if you knew at the start of

the season, Okay, this is Jason Witten's last year. Everyone's on board with that like a Ray Lewis type situation, Because I would love to see how this team would act and respond to certain things, just because I personally have never worked with Jason Witten on any degree, and especially not on a football field. But could you imagine not playing your best if you ever knew this was one of Jason Witten's last games, because you know, just the emotion that would draw and everything like that. I

would love to have something like that. I think would be maybe easier for Cowboys. This is gonna sound I don't mean to sound disrespectful to you here, but I don't think Jason Witten would want that because he doesn't want all that. Noah, he doesn't. I mean, I think Jason Witten has an ego, they all do, but I don't think he has it to the point of play for me, play for me bit. You know. It's Jason Witten has always been about play for yourselves, let's play

for each other, you know. I think that's something he has always done. And if every game was oh, this is the last one against the last trip to FedEx, last trip to get Yeah, I mean, for him having every week stand up there and say, Jason, last think of that last trip to MetLife, you know, and well, yeah, it is it's last trip. It was it was the last trip the week before the fed At, you know, and I think I think it would get old for him,

I really do. I think this this way, to me is pretty perfect for Jason Witten because he has it's another app opportunity, it's another chapter in his life. You know, it's something he can. He can. He closes the door on one, he opens the door on another. And he's got a good buddy who experienced this last year and it's worked out pretty well. Tony Romo. So I don't know to trust me to tell him to hurry up and make a decision. Yeah, choose your life for our

for our for our for our purposes. Yeah, choose your life now on change it forever. But yes, no, of course the Cowboys have already shown some some different movements drafting Dalton Schultz. They should have done that even if he was coming back. Should like him, the Stanford guy. I just they needed another tight end, they rico. No, they needed another tight end that play football. Yes, yes, we talked to one of the scouts came by and

said he liked the pick, maybe more than any of them. Sure, and the reason was simple because he played at Stanford, and they produced tight ends like in the NFL, like it's a factory. Yeah, you know, zach Ertz is a pretty good one. Played in the Super Bowl and want a super Bowl. So yeah, we'll see how what a ceiling is. But I think they think he's a pretty solid guy that might be underrated as a pass catcher. Absolutely.

I think that if you if you're asking him though, too to be a flex or detached player, that's not his game. His game is in line why blocking on the edge, working with tackles, working working with combo blocks, these are all things that he can do. So yeah, the right on my board, right where he was taken,

right there in the fifth round. I thought it was a great pick him and the guy Will Disley was a guy had mentioned Yevers to Washington I thought were the two best block and tight ends in the draft. Had him right there with each other, and Disley went a round ahead at him. But still Schultz is a really really good player. So like his numbers aren't great, but that's a Stanford offense, right, I mean, Stanford will put as many blockers on the field as they can.

The quarterback play hasn't been nearly as good as it has in the past, so they've had some problems that way. But David Shaw is a very physical coach. Their team is a very physical coach. They're a very run first team. They've got a kid named Love as a running back that we're all gonna be talking about next year is one of the top running backs. And the they'll be in the draft, and so yeah, it's all about it's all about really football in a phone booth for those guys.

Very similar what the Cowboys do. Very run heavy team on first down, try and play with some balance, but the running aspect of it is the most important thing to them. And that's where you have That's where you get blocking tight ends and fullbacks and just get a complete tight en. Yeah, get Mike Dicko. Yeah don't. Well that goes way back. But sorry, well because they don't. They don't make those anymos. Jerry Kramer taking a shot at the Ice Bowl people. The only guy that understood

is Ice Bowl comment was Bob Lilly. I think right there for me, Yeah, I understand, yeah, you got. I'm sorry though, the guy David Akers not impressed, just not impressed. It seemed phony. If you if you said if you sent their safety, if you sent Brian Dawkins, why did they not do that? That's the one I was. They probably couldn't get them. You know, I'll tell you what you said. They didn't get him to come and do it. They brought Rocky in there, Trotter, those were all scary guys.

That guy was the especially since Trotter's from Texas. Yeah and hooks right. The only thing that Drew Pearson really said amy at the Eagles fans the year before was that he loved them for giving them a career. He didn't really like jab them. It was mainly just in their city. Yeah, yeah, I just felt like, don't send a kicker to do a man's jose. The other the other thing is this is why movie sequels aren't as good as the original. Right, you can't, you can't, don't.

You don't even trot it's untouchable. He should have just got up there and played it straight like everybody was expecting that. Here's the pick. Why didn't you just let the best moment of the draft be Ryan Shasier Because there's nothing that can even compete against that. You don't need to have some silly rivalry moment. Ryan Shazier and Shack Griffin. They stole the draft in terms of just good, feel good moments. Yeah, Phil didn't have their moment. Connor

Williams your guy. He had some great reaction, probably the best reaction we've seen from a draft pick and quite some time. Yeah. It was kind of cool though, the family that went up there to read Connor's pick. By the way. Yeah, if you remember that the son of the soldier, the father was a fallen soldier. Soldier, they brought the family out there. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Yeah, in the jerseys it looked really sharp. Yeah. Yeah, and it was nice that at some point gil Brandt got

to go out and announce them. Why Gil Brand's not in the Hall of Fame, I will never know. He's done more for football than a lot of guys. And still, yeah, you know, for there's a reason there's a reason scouts or scouts because of gil brand There's things that he did in the sixties that we still do today. Most sure vative thinker. Absolutely, you know, we can go on and on. Jim Brown was out there, Bob Lilly was out there, it was Cherry Kramer. You are you are annoyed,

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You live out here, you should know there's one pretty close, pretty close. Yeah yeah, all right, it's always a Papa John's close. What are you guys talking about? They're all over, they're all over the place. Yea, all right, what do we gotta bring it? Staying on the draft track, you saw the pole make it's amazing. It's a miracle. Best value pick for the Cowboys in the draft, Brian, you might have a different I know you like one guy

who's not on this list. There's only four options. I squeeze in five prospects here that they drafted vander Esh, Connor Williams, Mike Gallup in the third round, and then their two fourth round picks. I grouped him together, Doran's Armstrong, and we mentioned Schultz. But we can go down the line. Anybody else really jump out? You're like wow on the poll, yeah, Pole, I voted for Conrad Williams, did you Yeah, Okay, but you're absolutely right. Mike White to me is a lottery

ticket in the fifth round. Lottery ticket. Yeah, five one, seventy one. I'm a big, big, big fan of Mike White. I think he's gonna I think folks are gonna like him at the end of the day. Connor Williams makes a lot of sense. I had him on my top fifty over vander Esh had went at twenty seven, one at twenty eight, So yeah, I was the Connor Williams, Like Tay said, that's the one that makes a lot of sense. You plug him in. You let him play

the guard spot. Get you back, Rob. You even said it yourself, to get you back to the things you were doing earlier, you know, running the football, that having a solid offensive line. You know, he gives you some flexible I wouldn't be surprised if they work him sum at center as well, to try and see if he could be a backup guy in that spot. But boy, what a good athlete, good player too, So very happy about the pick. I voted for that one. Tell you what I voted for vander Esh And now I agree

we've all exhausted the points of Connor Williams. I think they got a great one at fifty. But vander Esh. I spoke with Maryonella yesterday because a lot of people kept comparing him to Brian Urlacker, and I wanted to know what he thought about that, because of course he coached him at the Bears and different things like that. And he said, you know, he has the potential. You can't just put somebody's name and say this is the bright. He did not. He did not like to do that

at all. He said, you know, I'm just saying they have similar range, similar traits, but he is not Brian or Lacker two point zero. That can't be dawned on

anyone until they actually play NFL football. And so, you know, kind of hearing his analysis of him, you know, talks about just the smarts of him, and that's not saying that, you know, all these other guys aren't, but the fact that he can do this and pick it up quickly and seeing what he was able to do at Boise stayed and just his body is different than what we've seen him with other guys. So we'll see vender ashmick Um. I went with the people's choice Connor because I think

he was a first round pick. Yeah, and you got him in the second round. So your question was value, right, Yes it was. I think that was great value. And the fans agree, sixty six percent, say Connor Williams. I voted for Gallup because my second choice. There were guys in the war room that were down with him at fifty yep, and the fact that they liked a bunch of receivers yep, and he was They got the last one that was still available, and they waited and didn't

make a trade up. They just stayed and it looked out for him at eighty one. They really like him as well. Yeah, so they're really happy with this draft overall. And I mean maybe they say that every year, but I feel like they got value with some multiple picks here.

After the guys went down there to the Texas Pro Day, we've kind of circled back around to some different scouts and I think they were it seemed at least that they had always kind of been in agreement that Connor Williams wasn't a guy they were going to necessarily go after in the first round. Yeah. I felt like though that they traded back, that was where it was going to come from. I had an idea at nineteen they weren't planning. Yeah, at nineteen they were planning on it.

But if you went back, there were a couple of teams there that I felt like that they could go back. Carolina was one spot, the Saints. I'm surprised the Saints came up for a pick, but they went defensive end is what they did. So yeah, I shocked everyone. Yeah, it was a very shocking move, but that Connor Williams. Connor Williams was I'll tell you how special Connor Williams was to them. Connor Williams kept them from trading for

Earl Thomas. We talked about that. I mean, if you know, and they liked, they were willing to do something with Earl Thomas. If if Connor Williams was not on that board, I had a feeling that Earl Thomas would would be here. But the fact that he was on that board, they couldn't pass up that opportunity. So that's why they made the pick. Yeah, thank goodness, Nicky's Nicky's a fan. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying second round pick for Thomas was too much, but they might have done it.

You're right, they were thinking about it, but it's too much. If Connor w wasn't on the board, they were they were going to dance that dance. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm glad you brought up Mike White. Of course, he is the quarterback they picked up from Western Kentucky. Right now, their current depth is Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush, and Mike White. We haven't kill the more. He's a coach making calls. He was he was making calls forgot Dalton Storm that's on the undrafted free agent list. Are you he's the

fourth guy. Yeah, he's too Daltons. That's what the Dalton is that everybody starting naming their kids new popular from the movie Roadhouse. If you ever remember that Dalton Patrick saw Brian. What a great reference. But but these people that kids didn't know Roadhouse, at this Roadhouse, you know what I'm talking about. Damn sure know what you're talking about?

All right, Mike White, third string QB here, Yeah, we're gonna Are they gonna bring any veterans when no, don't assume I don't think third yeah, uh oh yeah, is here to compete? Is here to compete. Jerry said something interesting, and he said this to us all the way back at the combine. He'd take a young guy over a veteran. And so we saw this kind of coming um the thing with him as snaps and this guy's not going to get the same number as snaps that Dak Prescott got.

But Jerry saw the value in a rookie getting as many snaps as Dak Gott and and yeah, there go the progression he's adding his career versus like a rumo who had to sit for three and a half years ago. They'd like to just go ahead and invest in a young guy I think personally, and I haven't been told this, but look, they've tried Weed and they've tried Castle, they've tried these guys, and where did it get him? So

you might as well go job knowell him more. Yeah, you might as well just go with a young guy and start from scratch and get invest in him and in time maybe that could be a backup for you. Gee's absolutely right. I'm glad you brought up to Dak Prescott. Jerry. Jerry's obsessed. He can't believe Dak got as many snaps as he did and what it paid off for them. Yeah. Now, of course they don't want Tony to get hurt like he did, but it worked out one less preseason game.

But yeah, you'll get him some opportunities. I think that's great. I think Mike White will come in here. You know, Kelly Moore went and worked him out and you know he was able to. Yeah, he went out there and and I was I'm happy they did. I mean, I might mean personally had a third round grade on the guy. I when you look at the top, say the top five quarterbacks that went in the draft when it was

you know, Rose and Jackson, Alan Darnold and Mayfield. I don't think Mike White is too terribly down the line. I mean I had about a round difference on him. But you know what, and I think that they did the right thing here. They really really did. And the fact they got him in the fifth round I think is even better. That you're you're it's a lottery ticket. You're trying to you're trying to hit on a guy. Mike White has the talent to be a starting quarterback

in the National Football League. He really does. I don't know if it's gonna be here or somewhere else, but he has that talent. Strong. Let the competition begin, Yeah, right, absolutely. Cooper Rush, Yeah, I mean they're not going to just hand him the job. Well, you know, if Cooper Rush plays like he did last preseason, I think that's a good thing too. Yeah, I really do. I mean, I I like Cooper Rush was outstanding. That was that was very surprising to me. But but you have to get

Cooper Rush. What happened to him? He got snaps, Yes, he got a lot of snaps. Let's see if they get you know, let's see if we have Mike why Cooper Rush gets uh half a game and Mike White gets the other half of the game. So I did think they're going to divvy up the snaps since you've got so many new receivers for these preseason games. So Dak does need snaps with them, but you don't want to over expose them. So you would like to play

these young guys. But on the other hand, you know he needs to play in that one like Zeke, it doesn't matter, right, I think both Scarborough better get ready to go leading rush for preseason. Yeah, he better be ready to go to work, right, They're gonna wear him out. Yeah, because even I think Jason John yea, he made reference to Zeke. Yeah, well you know he's not gonna get too much. Yeah, so uh yeah, Scarborough and Trey Williams get ready, Yeah, gig him, gig him indeed and roll tide,

both of them. You guys. That does Brian still doesn't have a team yet. Um not really, I think does timing, I mean reports does looking for that one year deal, bet on himself and cash in next year right next week? Yeah, you know, we get we get to may people get to OTAs, they get through some OTAs, get through rookie camps. Everybody can sit back now and look at their boards and say, Okay, we're really going to go to camp

with this? Do we really want to? This is you know, I'm trying to think of when guys were added, like the Cowboys are linebacker from Alabama was added, I believe in June. Oh yeah, Rondo McClane. Yeah, sure, yeah, he was added in June. You know, sometimes you sit down and does is trying to be really he's trying to be focused on Okay, I'd like a one year deal.

I'd like to do that. You know. He's because the reports you're talking about a Ravens had offered him that multi year right, yeah, And so he's very specific where he wants to go, and some teams gonna settle in and say, okay, you know, now we can make a sign. It'll probably be a very quiet day in June when we're all sitting around and together. Oh at lunch and oh look, jes Briant, you know, oh we gotta go

to work. Yeah, des Bryant got a job. So I don't think it's a problem right now, because I've been in that room. You start looking at, Okay, where are we deficihing on our team. Where can we help our team? Des Brian would be a very good help for somebody right now. Agreed, Yeah, you do start looking at that. It's just you're right. I think the focus that I'm seeing at least is just through social media. Guys are trying to catch their breath right now. They really are.

I looked. I walked by Will McClay at breakfast this morning, and I talked about him because we asked about it. I suppose jersey number We were looking for a picture of him at Rice. What jersey was? He goes he was number one, So we're just talking about but well, he looked he looked just so just like he was trying to catch his breath. He was sitting there eating

an omelet and just by himself. He was just sitting by him and yeah, you know, and in that job you don't do you don't get to be by yourself very much, you really don't. And he looked like he was enjoyed sitting there with the sauce on the omelet. And just when I walked up to talk to me, he was like looking at me, like, what are you gonna ask me? You know, when I just knew better

I'm gonna ask. I'm not gonna ask, but he but he just looked very at peace with himself and they'll all catch their breath and get back on that horse here coming up in jew He's like, I got you, Connor Williams, just leave me a lot. Yeah. I was happy about happy about Mike White. I told him, Hey, way to go, Mike White. He goes, Yeah. We liked him a lot, We really really did. So we'll see. Yeah, and I love it. Last year was the Michigan Draft.

You know, they drafted those teammates out of Michigan, and then this year it seems like it's gonna be the Boise State one because said Wilson gets to join his guy vander esh Lve is what we're calling him on certain things we gotta work on. That's wrong with that l That's what they called him all throughout college. Yeah, it doesn't roll off the tongue now. No guy said it last night, right, Yeah, he asked us a question. He called him lv Oh. I haven't been calling him

like a nickname. Now he called that, but I understand exactly who he was asking about. Yeah, we need something, Vandy. Nah, let's let's pronounce the initials like will. Let's like let things kind of a little. We'll figure something LV. It doesn't have a ring. We got a long plane flight coming up. We'll figure out something about it when you get off that plane. I expect something from you guys.

And we're looking at, you know, kind of the youth movement of our team, and I think Nick had pulled together kind of a list of just from March first to May first, the ten ten year Cowboys we have on this team still and you know Olph sitting right there. But it really did change. And Sean Lee now is going to find himself in that makeshift Witten role. I mean he already was essentially, but huh, well, if we got breaking news here, didn't Mickey just say it's a deal.

He shouldn't refuse. I said that. I said, if it was me, I would go take the money night football job. But that's me. If Witton decides to hang up the cleats, Sean Lee will essentially be the main main main Dak. Yeah voice that means da will need to step up. Now this is about you know, this is a Byron Jones. This is important year for Dak. You know, in a

lot of ways. I think that now it's there's are certain voices that are long longer, and you can say what you want about me Scandrick getting getting along at all, but Scandrick was a voice in that room, you know, and Amazon all or nothing. Yeah, and you know, so that that means if he's a voice and that's gone.

And Witten one moment did yeah in three game losing stream and he looked at the camera after he said it, like I know you're filming me there, Yeah, come on, yeah, Like hey, but if you did see I don't know how many people have seen it. You know, Witten holds a quick meeting with the captains at the start of you know, right after it was announced, and it's like, what guy's going to do that? I hope it's Dak Yeah. Yeah, Well, Travis Frederick could be a guy too that could be

very very vocal, made a vocal guy on defense. Yeah, other than Sean Lee in case he's not Crawford DeMarcus Lawrence. Well if he if he wants to assume that role, I mean, he has the kid. He may be more of an example, but everybody else're still trying to prove themselves. Yeah, I don't know if you have to be so vocal. If that's not, you just follow my lead, follow what I do out there, you know, And I think I think lawrences are in that type of leadership. That's the

Damn Bailey rule. Yeah, that's the damn Bailey rule. Same thing. They didn't draft a kicker bring anyone in yet. So see this you about leadership role, How about Jalen Smith? Does that mean that? Does that make if he's if he's playing at a high level, yes, I mean he's, but people look at him as a guy who's overcomes so much to be where he writes. Yeah, and all of a sudden, I think you have respect. You mentioned

about Griffin. I think Griffin's gonna go to Seattle as brothers there in aw But I think people can respect the story. I think they're gonna respect the player that what he's overcome. I think Jaalen Smith could be that type of guy. I think Jalen Smith could be we always see a smile on his face kind of guy, but maybe a guy that has some leadership qualities to him,

kind of bring people together. Well, I just think it's got to be somebody that it knows how to interact with the players and not be so caught up with taking care of yourself right. And there's so many guys on that defense that are just like, Okay, I'm trying to win a starting job here. Tyrone has been one of those guys for a while now. Um, I think Lawrence is kind of go back to him. I think he's kind of moving. He showed guys a lot. I think he earned a lot of respect playing through that

back injury a couple of years ago. So that's another one for me. But although there's the way this roster's turned over, there's not many guys that remember him doing that. No, a lot of young dvs on this team think about it. That was like what four years three years ago? Yeah, it's there's it's turned It's gonna be a different locker room. Yeah, for sure, it's gonna be a different. But I I look at I look at guys like Sean Lee. I think Sean Lee is a lae. We don't see Sean Lee.

We see the emotion and all about the passion. I think you'll see that with his teammates and locker rooms and stuff. But I think it really is going to come on Dak Prescott. I think Dak Prescott needs to figure out maybe he needs to do some things that maybe to be opposite. And you guys might not agree with me on this, but needs to be opposite a little bit of what Tony Romo did in his career. And I mean this in a way of Tony I think had respect, but I don't know if he had

everybody's attention. And I think Dak needs to take a page out of take an opposite approach and try and you know, and I think about John kittena and this is gonna sound crazy. I think about John Kitten in the way that John Kitten. Everybody loved John Kitten in that locker room. The guys who played dominoes played dominoes with him, The guys that went to the Bible study went to Bible study with him. He was one of those guys as a quarterback, even as a backup, that

just brought everybody together. And I think Dak Prescott needs to figure out how to be I think Tony became a little more removed the further he went along, the more removed. It's like he became over here where you know, they needed somebody that was centrally located in the middle of all that, and I feel like Dak doesn't need to make that mistake. Don't remove yourself, try and find a way to immerse yourself and what everybody's trying to do.

The players that want to play dominoes, the players that want to go to Bible study, the players that want to do everything, the players that want to play laundry basketball. Yeah, no, I think you're right. I think Tony drifted and he tried to come back late in the game. It was a little problem because early, yeah, he had that role. Sure they were rallying around him right right, and then he got some of that just getting older, you have kids, kids,

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