Talkin' Cowboys: Concern At Backup QB?

Ridge Complex, the Mary Odd Residence in in Oxnard. And uh, we welcome you here to Talking Cowboys. How's everybody doing this morning? Doing well? Fantastic. We gotta workout in over there, right. I took a bike, took a bike ride and you got out a ways and then realize, oh, we got Talking Cowboys this morning. I have to shower and I probably didn't want me here with my bike helmet on,

scamper back. Yeah yeah, Jersey, they got in uh in Marseille yesterday when he was on the cobblestone cobblestones of Brubet should have seen me firing along. And then Brian got his workout as usual. Six am sharp, thank you. I actually was in there a little later this morning at seven am. And then there's Rob, the youngest one in the group and also the laziest. I slept in until yeah exactly, so I mean it's in the until

you slept in. Yeah. One of these days you'll understand that in order to keep that shapely figure there, Rob Phillips, you're going to have to work out. Well, that's that'll be about two decades away. That's right. I got a little time left to be rush into anything. It's all right, tasteful and easy, huh. Like the lyrics to us the right believe right right? Who's gonna sing it? No one thing, no one here. So we're trying to shed the pads

and shed the pounds. And they put on the pads here yesterday, but the first time, so that was the official start of training camp two thousand and eight. There you got the music right from there, you go, who's gonna sing it? Yeah? Oh no good? Yeah. Um, So the officials start of training camp yesterday with the pads put on. I did it feel like the start of training Yes, it did. There's a much larger crowd there on Saturday afternoon, random opening. Yeah. Uh, people showed up.

As a matter of fact, when I was peddling real fast back on my bike, there were already two cars in line at nine o clock in the morning and they don't open the gates till eleven. Did you really forget about the show? No? I didn't forget. I just lost track of the time. You know, you start going and going and going, and it's like, oh, you gotta come back to now, yeah, uber, yeah, right, coming back, let's go. It was a pat crowd out there yesterday

and the players were ready for it too. Xavier Wood said after the morning walk through, which was a special team's walk through, and the guys who didn't take part in it did some yoga for forty five minutes well and then and then the special teamers did yoga. They did they did too. After that, I think Wood said something like, we gotta hit somebody. We're ready to hit somebody.

They've been doing this type of stuff for you know, months now, basically no no real contact so um or at least these last couple of days, no compete stuff. So it was good to see him get back. Yeah, you know, and and Jason Garrett even talked about this with a team that doesn't have a lot of veterans, it has a lot of young guys. You have to figure out ways how to practice in pats. You know, you can't have guys falling all over the place, falling

on the ground, getting each other hurt and stuff. So that's gonna take a little good. They could be excited about that. Some guy probably wake up today with a little soreness in the neck area, you know, in the shoulder area and stuff. But but I think overall, when you watch the practice, I think the coaches got exactly what they wanted out of it. I thought it was gonna be when we were sitting in the press conferences,

help warm it was. And I'm thinking, Okay, he's gonna get a practice this afternoon where he's gonna get some heat, and the next and yeah and so and but but again, it makes these guys the reason you come here so you can practice in pads. And I'm watching around the NFL. I'm watching, you know, the NFL networking teams are in you know these places like in Virginia and stuff like that. The Giants are dealing with some heat. I mean, there's

all these teams are dealing with stuff. So you know, it's nice to come out here and be able to concentrate, have good hard practice and then get something out of it. I think that's what the coaches were probably the most excited, either the Red Skins or the Packers. One of the teams canceled their afternoon practice today because it was too hot. I don't I don't know why, but anyway, they've already

here we are, the third day at camp. Well, I know this morning, sitting there at breakfast watching the Redskins were practicing, so I you know it again, they're they're ways of doing this. You guys covered training camps in Oxnard and Wichita Falls and places like that, and I just think this is such a great environment for specially for pads. If you're gonna if you're gonna have hard physical practices, you know, give the players a chance to compete.

Don't make him have to survive the practice. Survive. Yeah, and I and I and I with the young team, he's going to teach him how to practice. He's got to teach him how to you know, you know, Connor Williams and and and those guys and you know Layton Banners. He's gonna have to teach these guys how to practice. They know how to practice at Texas and the Boys in places like that. But he's got guys got to learn how to practice for Jason Garrett and his's coach.

I know. Daryl Johnson says now that looking back at those training camps in Austin, they were physically drained as a team by the end of the camp, you know. And one of the things I thought was good the way they used to do it, you know, And I a going back and say, oh, it was better then. But when they were in Thousand Oaks and the Cowboys would bring in all those free agents rookies, they would bring him in for two a week like six and let the let the young guys get all that exuberance

out of him. That way, when the veterans come in, somebody doesn't take a cheap shot and a veteran and get him hurt. I remember that happened the year before. Well, it's not like Brian said, you got to learn to practice in pads. And I remember in eighty nine or ninety uh, it was the first practice and the Cowboys had signed a free agent running back. Um he was from How are they traded for him. He was from Nebraska and it was ninety because it was Stans Magala

of safety they drafted. First practice, he takes a hit on the sideline right on the guy's knee, and he's out for the year. I am hip, No, it was I am to get that's no, it's not a bad guess. But it wasn't ROSI first one. But it probably wasn't available, but I might have been, and so and and and that was just kind of an indication that in Thousand Oaks they would bring those guys in early and let that get that out of them, because you don't want

to hurt your veterans, especially now. Well, and you said it built. There were some guys on the ground yesterday and I think it was the inside run drills. Guys were, guys were going to the ground. They don't Coaches hate to see that. Yeah, don't see anybody get hurt. But as far as the weather goes, it's really conducive for getting work done. I'm sure Jason Garret would like to go two days in this kind of weather if you can't just get his team ready, but the CBA does

not allow that. It's not like the old Jimmy days well. And then also of the fact the first two days out here when they didn't add the pads on the coaches, he was having to coach the coaches to let's get creative, to make keep the energy up at bright because everyone everyone went, as Jason put it, everyone was chomping at the bit to put the pads on and let's get after it now. And so Brian, right off the top, what's your one takeaway from padge put on yesterday? I

thought the offensive line overall was outstanding. And if you go back and you watch what they were able to do, and I'm talking about really the first line, and then there's some backup guys that got some opportunities. But if you went back and watched the one on one pass rush drill, they really did not sniff the defensive line. And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Good thing is the offensive line looks like they're you know, I was really impressed with Connor

Williams right out of the blocks. He had two really good reps. Four good reps. Actually, you know, maybe the fourth one was a little shaky with the hands, but you know, getting him inside you know, we've talked about Connor when he has problems, he gets a little bit over extended. But I like what I really saw from

that group overall, Travis Frederick, Zach Martin. Now I will say this though, if you want to flip something on the other side, the one guy that did have really the most problems was Lyle Collins was having to deal with the Marcus Lawrence and the Marcus Lawrence looked like he was in week six to play reached and he set him up with two different rushes and he made he made Collins be a one legged football player a couple of different times. And Collins when he's good, I

mean it's hands, it's feet, it's everything. But he kind of broke him down a couple of different times. That that part of it was if you wanted to say, okay, offensive line good, but one era now the defensive line that was good would with me would be the way that DeMarcus Lawrence rushed the passers, the opportunities that he got offensive line. I was impressed. It was like, oh, they're right back the way they're supposed to be and they didn't suffer any drop off with Connor Williams in

there he's got he's got really good feet. He moves really good. Yeah, and and he didn't you know, and and I think you know, Brian, we had you had been pointing out that if he's going to have trouble, it's going to be his strength. And he kind of leans over, but it seems like okay, but he compensates with it with his feet. He keeps moving. He could get out of him He could run himself out of a problem, he say, with running backs can run themselves out of problems. He can use his feet to get

himself out of problem. He gets over extend, like Mickey says, he can recover with wide bass and get get narrow based quick to compensate. But yeah, it was overall. I was expecting a little bit of that. Okay, first rep too excited, be a little too us but head was back but was right in there. Yeah. And then you know, and then you get him and Zach Martin and those guys. I mean, they just the defensive line, as hard as they tried to rush, really couldn't get anything, with the

exception of Lawrence. Lawrence was like, Okay, I'm gonna play really wide and he put he put Lyle Collins in some tough situation just and they and the other thing that the defense tried to do, they played, tried to play some games and he and and if it was Tyran Smith over there, they were passing guys off and he didn't overreact and started chasing, So yeah, good on him. Also, I thought, and it's hard to tell in that I was just watching the wide receivers do their drills. I

was pretty impressed. Guys were catching the ball. It was rarely on the ground, and I know they were thrown against air early in practice, but the quarterbacks were putting the ball where it needed to do and these guys were snatching the ball and and Sanjay Law was just watching every step those guys took to be able to cut come back, and um, it looked like a good group. And I'll tell you what, Tavon Austin can run. Yeah, he's got he's got nobody else. Yes, Well you know what, Rob,

It was funny. I was sitting there and they were doing punt returns right and I think Trey Williams was out there, and Beasley was out there. There was someone else and Tavon Austin, the guy behind me in the is standing up by the fence, is yelling, put tavan in, put tavan in. Don't even mess around with those other guys. He's got different kind of speed. He kept screaming in it. I'm sitting there going, you know what, He's right. I

had a coach, had a coach one time. Tell me watching tape, he goes, this guy's socks move faster than everyone else socks. So yeah, I'm gonna let you talk because I want to. I want to kind of piggyback something about the receivers, by the way, before we get off tape on Austin for just a second. Okay. I saw a his high school mixtape this morning on Twitter, and I'm about to retweet that. Okay, And if you

want to really see him, is that him? That's him in high school and I'm gonna tweet it out CBS eleven, Bill Jones. So you can take a look at Tavon Austin in a high school and you want to see him run bassa West Virginia too, Yeah a lot. Yeah did against Oklaholma. I know that it's like Gail Sayers back there. I'm gonna go and piggyback on receivers as well. I've watched in the last couple of days, uh, two days ago. The last non competitive practice is watching them

run routes. Piggyback on what you said, Mick Sanjay Law. A lot of drills, no football, some of them working on their balance, working on their their their release and taking advantage of of you know, no wasted motion and carrying bricks after practice. He's really a teacher. And what I saw yesterday, Cole Beasley had a terrific day. Yeah, here you go, five catches. I think I think it was five catches. Um. He's such a good route runner.

He's so compact in his movements. He's so explosive, especially even on the outside. We watched the play. We put a move on Cheeto a woozier right uh and got him swimming a little bit where he couldn't help out. He had to totally account for him on the outside. Well, I tell you what I'm gonna I'm gonna help you right here. You're right, because they had him on the outside and and you have to respect Cole Beasley's quickness to get to the outside. And what happened is Beasley's

running full steam. He's got a Woozier and his pedal. Now he's got him turned, and a Woozier feels that he's gonna sit and go to the outside. So you see a Woozier sink his weight and as soon as he sank his weight, Cole just kept running up field and Dak missed the pass. I mean, it's you've got You've got Xavier Woods flying from the middle of the field, and you know it's gonna be a tight fit. But there is separation there. And I'll give you another example.

Cole Beasley as a route runner. They threw a ball to Michael Gallop inside that was really good. He runs it like a deep end and they run Beasley. They run Beasley through the zone and what happens is by Beasley getting through the zone as quickly as he does, it took cam Kelly and turned him. So cam Kelly now goes with Beasley and allowed them to fit the ball. You want some creativity, you run a guy through the zone, Beasley,

they have to account for him. Safety gone ball behind boom. Right, there's a play, big play inside the middle of the field. Because of Beasley's ability not just catching the football, but his his getting his rear through the zone and affecting the safety to get up the field. That's what they need more of, affect players so others can get open and they can have easier throw, and they're moving him around.

They are. He got tired yesterday, he said after practice, says, I'm not used because I'm used to doing all the quick stuff. I'm not used to run in go routes. Its deep. Yeah, but you know what we were. You know, you worry about a guy with that lack of size on the outside. See, that's exactly what I was about to present. Okay, playing him on the out, what are the pros and cons of playing him on the end?

But then you know what with that, it's he's gonna cause some mismatches out there because those corners aren't used to a shifty guy. If you're not used to playing in the slot against a guy like that, he's going to cause some problems on the outside. And you've got a guy like Alan Hearns who's comfortable playing in the slot. That going across the middle field too. Beasley made a heck of a catch on the sideline. I think it was a false start. It probably didn't count, but it

was when one of his little circus catches. So, yeah, he looks like he's in tiptop Chaz, by the way, God, the downfall is what we saw with the overthrow with Dak. If it becomes a fifty fifty ball and you do have a corner where you don't get separation, and now it's a downfield throw. Now it's a tight window throw. Now it's a five a guy going up against a six foot guy, and it's used to going vertically. I wouldn't think that Cole Beasley's game is much vertically off

the ground. A lot of its feet on ground, quick react, make catches and stuff and then go. So it's that's that's your downfall. Then you get a combination to him and Tavon. Yeah, yeah, both five eight guys you know, right, and they put Tavon on the outside too, right, you're gonna have a hard time overthrown. Yeah, well he made a heck yeah, I think. I think if it now,

these guys could separate. But that's where that's where guys like we've seen in the past, a guy like Dez Brian, if you do get it up the sidelines and it becomes a jump ball, basically, you know, the interception that that Byron by Jones Scott yesterday was basically if Dak thoes it a little bit further, I think he's gonna hit Thompson on the play, but perfect position by Byron

Jones to come down with that ball. So that's where I think that Cole Beasley's probably gonna have a little bit of a disadvantage of it's to the outside and he has to play a fifty fifty ball, So you're thinking small doses of Beasley on the outside or maybe

he just kind of decide how you run the routes. Yeah, you know, if if he's gonna be able to clear if people if the safety and it's so funny because watching Greg Jackson the play, as soon as camp Kelly turned to go, Greg Jackson, the secondary safety coach goes, why why'd you do that? Didn't you see you know, And it's like, you know, basically you see camp Kelly like, Okay, that's him, he's running. He's I gotta respect that, don't

I you know? And so if they could do that, that's that's where this is gonna If they could get enough guys catching ball and maybe this is we're not having a number one receiver, but if you do get a bunch of guys involved in Yeah, before you couldn't put yeah Cold on the outside right just right. Yeah. But I think the coaches realized they've got to do something different. They can't just put him in the slot and allow defenses to say, well, we're just gonna take

him out and worry. Let these guys just handle their business on the outside. So, by the way, Byron Jones interception, he said it was worth one hundred dollars before the before practice and he said, we made a bet on who was to get the first interception. He said, so pay up hundred dollars. Nice. It's good to see on the first day in pads Byron Jones making a play as he's he just kind of picked up where he left off last year in training camp when we all

thought he was going to be a pro bowler. Right at safety. I think that's if you look at the secondary other than the question marks at safety, it's okay, how well as Byron Jones really gonna play, that's I think, and that for him, I think, you know, the after you intercept, he threw the ball, you know, and it's that maybe a little bit of relief. Maybe that's okay, okay, maybe I could do this. Now I could play. I could carry a guy that's got some speed, high point

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Slash Football terms, conditions, exclusions and warranty limitations applies. You can be loot for details to talk in Cowboys. Talking Boys continues here on a Sunday morning in Oxnard, California. Bill Jones dropped Billups, Bryan brought us Mickey Spagnola. By the way, I'm going to conclude this day with a

live interview of Jerry Jones on CBS eleven Work. So if anybody out there has a question they like for me to pose to Jerry Jones, fire away all right for us or for you us asking a question for me to ask tonight? Is this the annual Yeah car Washed Jerry Jones? He does all of the TV types that are here. Yeah, does one after the other tonight. So do you find yourself? Let me ask you this, guys, because you guys do a lot of interviews. I don't

do as many interviews. But for a guy like that, when you prep with the topics that he's had to go through, right now, you rehash that or that's what's going through my mind? Right? Or do you try? Do you move on? Do you move on? I like to move on and I would like to talk football with you.

See Yeah, but I will say this, we as local TV sportscasters get pressured by our newspeople right to ask the amp to go backwards, yeah, to write and so it's weighing that and if you can find a happy medium where you can, you know, touch on that briefly and then move on, then that's probably the best way to satisfy party. How much time you get just five or six minutes. It's tough with Jerry because yeah, one

answer could go three minutes. All right, We've got Randy from Kansas on the phone line joining us here on Talking Cowboys. Go ahead, Randy, Bill, welcome back to talking. Thank you good. The understion is, if we're gonna go with ride receiver by committee, now, do you think they'll play all the receivers uh in preseason because normally they don't if you have a number one. Last when Daz was there, you didn't play a whole lot in preseason. Now,

do you see all them playing in preseason or up? Yes? Absolutely, I mean they gotta get timing down with the quarterback, and he may I mean he may play more, but even if he's out, there's so many receivers they have. These guys are gonna get reps. And they're down too right now because Noah Brown has been out with a hamstring and we saw Cedric Wilson go out with a shoulder. See what his status is today. So yeah, I mean, whoever, whoever standing, I think they gotta get reps, no doubt

about it. Yeah, I don't see them holding anything back. Is many, you know. And what's funny is I can't get a beat on how they're playing the rotation of the receivers. It's you know, you see guys different spots in Austin and and then you know with Beasley and then you see Hearns. I mean you kind of have a little bit of an idea of who it is. But Gallup was exactly, saying, they're kind of they they kind of they kind of throwing all those guys out there.

I think it's a great idea. What what Mickey was talking about. You you've got to get your timing down. I think a lot of the timing stuff is going to be out here. But yeah, and the games, even with the Cooper Rush, Mike White, Let's see what these guys have put it. Put them out there and find some combinations that are gonna work for you. And speaking a gallop, Bill had a nice interview with him, And while the interview was being conducted, I'm sitting there watching

his hands are big. He's got big hands. It's amazing to go back and look at the combine numbers and see those are those things. Yeah, well just for his body type though, you know, because he's well, he's not slender, and he's a lot taller than you think. And he had he had a nice catch out there too. Yeah, yeah, he on that end, he's sure to out He's sure

to have. But I'll tell you what though, I did see him and Cheetah Awoozier got in him a little, you know, And when he was out there, there was a couple different times where in the seven on seven period where he's got to learn that you know, you cannot let these defensive backs get their hands on you because if they do, these young guys, they'll sit on you, they'll bang you around, and they'll keep you out of your route. So he'll learn, and that's what that's what

it's all about. Those defense ends will learn. The ones that the play are SAPs that have to go up against Tyron Smith. Because I was watching the one on one pass rush drill and it's like, dude, once he gets your hand on, you're done. You are absolutely. Tony Eely went against him three times, coney Ealely got him one time, and Tyron came back. It's like he rechallenged it. In the one on one he's like, no, no, get

back out there. And then I think Rob and I were watching rot I go, this is not gonna this is not gonna end well for Cony Eely because what happens if you if you don't get Tyron Smith, you don't get to his corner fast enough. People have been able to take him inside because of the back a little bit and trying to take him where he can't

really adjust. But you know, but Cony Ellen made a huge mistake of trying to get the corner but didn't get the corner fast enough, and then it just became he just washed and washed him out of the play. So if you want to go to the outside, okay to shove, Yeah, by way of the bench, you have to rush the quarterback? What you do? Yeah? All right, let's check in with Mike in Orlando. Next up here on Talking Cowboys. Mike, Hey, good morning. Follows. I hope,

I hope you're doing well out there. Two quick questions. I know, Brian, I heard you touch on it. I believe it was yesterday every Friday about Dan Bailey and missing his first kick. Just kind of wondering what your thoughts all around his mindset. And then secondly, do you think I know he touched on briefly, but do you think that it's more playing time with these wide receivers because they seem to be different types of wide receivers than these tlateless in the past. They have much more

quickness in the past. Deante Thompson yesterday it looked like it was under thrown a little bit. Maybe he wasn't quite ready for the amount of speed that these wide receivers have Thanks, guys, take care. I'll take a question. Number one. Bailey was six for six yesterday on field goal attempts from thirty five, thirty seven, forty forty four, forty seven and fifty. I'm not watching anymore. You're done. You see enough. You said you may need to watch this.

Eleven twelve, right. It's so funny. Mickey and I the first time did drills. We were both we were walking for opposite ends of the field and it's like we got and I stopped at the left, up right, Mickey stopped the right. When I looked over out of me and he looked at me like, all right, I see what you're doing here. But yeah, he pushed that ball round and he missed the first one and everyone so he's hit eleven in a row. We're all dead center,

by the way. Yesterday, Yeah, the first day they were extra points, they were all different hash, different hash, but they were all thirty three yards, so he extended out to fifty yesterday. Yes. The thing that about a little bit about the underthrow of that they had, Tyrn Crawford had some pressure on the on the outside and what happened was he was able to kind of push Dak kind of slidtle bit to his left and then they

got some push off that left side. Smith got knocked back a little bit and it kind of forced Dak to have to kind of short the ball. But I mean, yeah, it was it was a great positional play by Byron Jones. But give him, give him assist to Tyrn Crawford for some some push off that left side that forced Dak to have to kind of throw it off, you know, just kind of throw it and maybe not get his whole entire body into the throne. But even though it was short Byron Jones, was in Jones quite great. He

had him in his hip pocket. He was perfect off the line. There became a little separation, he rallied and then he was Positionally he was just fine. But Dad getting in sync with these receivers. It's going to happen on the practice feeds as the preseason games are concerned. As the first team offensive line goes, so goes Dak. Is that's the best way to look at it. The other day, I'm not putting Dak out there if I

don't have my all pros out there too. And don't worry about Zeke yeah, yeah, I just I think that everybody's everybody, you're on the image. I'm putting him a bubble wrap. He had a couple of nice runs yesterday were kind of bounced in there, you know, I mean, and they do a really cool drill that I see why these guys have the vision that they do. I give Gary Brown some credit. They had like five or six tracks cans and everybody stands with a trash can,

and then what happens. They hand the ball to the back and then they lean the You lean the trash can one way or another, so you might have four guys lean it one way, one guy leans it the other way, and then you see the vision. You see the guy like like almost a jump cut or you're here or gott to jump back to this hole. It's because you gotta find or they'll lean the trash cans all one direction and then they'll break it to the backside or they'll keep it front side, so it works

on their vision to concentrate. Okay, where is the hole? But Elliot had a you know, they had they did that that compete period and they they I think it was a second down run and they just they trapped.

They gotta pull. They got a trap, they got second level block, and he just slammed it in there and the next thing you know, it's a you know, ten to twelve yard game and you're like, going, that's a good run on second down to do that Gary Brown when they do that drill, so he's behind the running back, so the running back doesn't know which way the garbage

can lean and watch it. It's it's a great anybody that comes out here, because he looks like he's a policeman in the middle of Rome in one of those circles. He's telling four guys go this way, this way, and you go that way, and it's really good. But they do they all it's seriously, it's like Mickey describe. They all go to one side and then somebody will go the other way, or two will yeah, that's two will go one way and two will go the other and

then you're supposed to take it to the middle. But it makes you think about where you need to hit the hole and your reads in that direction. And as a matter of fact, they did it one more time to Zeke said let's go again, Yeah, because they were done with the drill and he but he's he's one of the best when it comes to that vision and seeing where that's those cracks are. He's great at that.

About him in the passing game this year, you know what this is where I think that Vick and Ventura ask questions about, Okay, how do you get him more involved in the passing game. And I got into discussion with some people about this because he's so valuable as a blitz pickup guy. You've got five solid blockers up front, and then okay, so people thinking, Okay, we can't. We've

got to rush more than five. We're not gonna get anybody home, so all of a sudden, now you have to pick up I'm all for getting him out in the routes. And you know, by the way, Jalen Smith, he tried to run. He got Jalen Smith the day before on a route to the flat and separated. Jalen Smith got him. Yes, Jay able to stay with him, hammering the ball in his hands. But I think that maybe they think about throwing him the football, are a little bit wary of throwing him the football because he's

such a good blitz pickup guy. So maybe that's why we don't see him but they do need to get him involved more than the passing year. We've seen some two back sets, which he means Ola Wally, what about you know having him Yeah, that's what Ola Wally did in Oakland and he was a he was a he was a single back blitz pickup guy. So absolutely, if if that if anything to do anything to get those players like you had in San Francisco or Pittsburgh or those you know, you throw him the ball next you know,

it's a seventy yard run. I'm all for. But but the mindset might be a little bit about can we afford to get him out now? Maybe even the past, they didn't have anybody that were really confident enough to say, you know, okay we could pick up this. You know this, this this blitz if we have to one way to slow the blitz down those to get him out and out and it's like, okay, you want to come, no question him, no question, no question. Timing has to be. Yeah.

As far as the backup guys, rod Smith, Bo Scarborough, I don't know what they can do. I think rod Smith's got that ability. Rod Smith, he has rod Smith. It's like the catching part of the block, catching part the catching, the blocking part absolutely absolutely, And there were sometimes when we watched both Scarborough play at Alabama that they you know, the Hurts, the Hurts would throw him the ball and you know he get it out. I mean it wasn't like he was getting a ton of

plays that way, but you did see. I need to watch him a little bit more and see how he does when we start seeing one on one with the running backs first, the linebackers and that those kind of drills because it'll be wide receivers first, corners, running backs first, the linebacks with the tight ends and then the old line. That's where we need to go down there and learn a little bit about how these backs can catch a little bit of telling you this Trey Williams is going

to be the star of the preseason. I'm I don't discount what you're saying. At a fourth quarter carries and catches. Yeah, I can see that too. Oh he's a I mean, he's a you could like say, you could strike matches on him. I mean he is a rocked up guy that you know, he's got a lot of toughness. But I mean we've had some things where the drills he's fumbled some balls and Zeke's got on a little bit about that and had him back there for punt return.

It was, it was. It was a monster punt though over his head and he couldn't retreat fast enough, but he as quick as a mosquito. No, Willie Mays traits there, will Vickers. You don't watch your punt return catching the ball away from the line of scrimmage. Google it on YouTube. Yes, yeah, major league Willie Mays. Hayes tried it. You know, he may say fifty four World Series. I believe catches don't

ever do it again. Vicky was there a prob But I do have video of him running bat I got I got video of him running off the field at Candlestick Park during a game Willie Mays and Willie mc field together. Do you realize how long ago there dating yourself? It was nineteen sixty five and my dad had the camera rolling fifty three years. Yes, and it's still the cameras the projector still as a matter of fact, cameras

did in that game. Kodak was in that game, and I'm going to forget the pictures one mirror show now he adopts he was the picture for I think they were playing Milwaukee, and major league record for RBIs in a single game. The picture, Yeah, Walter Johnson. He hit two Graham slams, and he came up the third time, two grand slams. He came up the third time with the bases loaded, two grams, back to back grand slams. I told you I can't remember the picture's name, but

I remember seeing it. Keep going, man, google it. This is worth I have a feeling this is not true. It's absolutely true. Who hit the grand slams? The picture? And wait, we don't have to guess on this anymore. He he comes up the second time, and my mother goes, what did be something? If he hit another one? And I go, what are you talking about? Pictures don't hit home runs? And he hits a home run right now? Your mom's always right. It comes up the favor. He

comes up. He comes up the third time and the bases are loaded, and my mother goes, all right, wise guy got anything to say? And I kept my bow shut and they caught it on the warning track and he got a sacrifice fly. Nine RBIs wow, we'll have to look that at nineteen sixty five giants at Claninger. There Toler there were brothers. Yeah, yeah, so look it up. I'm trying. I'm an idiot, so William Hays, I bet it is all right. Carry on, boys, Okay, Shane and

Washington's Sterling first Mickey's Minute of the new season. Shane, it took a little longer because you guys keep interrupting me. Okay, Hello, Shane. Hey, so my question is in this year's draft class, from the fourth round through the seventh, do you see any of these guys actually getting some serious playing time? And I'll be seeing you guys when you come up here on the twenty September, because I'm going to the game for sure, all right, Seattle fourth through seventh round. Dalton

Schultz is a fourth rounder. Yeah, Dorn's Armstrong's working with the second team, and a couple of nice rushes yesterday and the one on one. Yeah, I like that when I saw there. You certainly hope they don't see Mike White. Yeah. Mike White needs to get the ball out a little quicker. Yeah, yesterday I felt like he was holding a little bit too long. He got he he had needed a little

bit better pocket awareness. This is about five seconds, seven on seven, you know, he's playing behind the first offensive line. I'm okay, Mickey's right, by the way, I was off a year. It was nineteen sixty six, alright, sixty five, though it actually happened July third. It says here July third, nineteen sixty six. Braves pitcher Tony Klowerger Class two Grand Slams. Yeah, and I was at the game, and guess what I'm keeping score? I got the little program, like a little

nerd keeping score. And after it got to be a nerd, it got to be like nine to nothing or whatever. I quit in the fifth ety and it's like it was a record day. I still have it, by the way you do. But it stops at the fifth thy I got bored. Yeah, he got distracted. Imagine that he started trying for about who the umpires were on the field. This was like, what's the use and he's right, He's absolutely right. Wow, Yeah, glad we solved that pretty pretty

good memory. Does he have the box score there? Brian uh And in the top of the third, Contager grounded out the third. By the time he came up in the fourth, Atlanta's lead had grown to nine and nothing. Giants pitcher Ray Snidecki remember him. Yeah at basses though this time Cleanser went opposite way. Hitting his second pitch, he saw past Hey sus Salou over the candlestick part right fuel fence. Mickey stopped keeping score at this point, giving a land at a thirteen and nothing lead the

second Grand slam of the day. So, yeah, he did it. He's absolutely right. Wow. To this point, Cleanser had stepped the plate with the sacks full fourteen. How about a picture getting fourteen opportunities for grand slams. Yeah, that's crazy. Y Rod Marinelli in the house. Here he goes headed out to the Cowboys walk through. You're not going to work. I thought you were coming to join us. No one else showed Oh they are showed up. Yeah, taking the

short cut to the practice field. A great ride. Marinelli from cal Lutheran from just down the road and takes California. In fact, they won a national championship when he was there at cal Lutheran in nineteen seventy or seventy one as a ball boy for the Cowboys in practice boys that he was a ball boy. Yeah, yeah, there you go, Bik. He's full of all kind things. Today it's just Trivia Day. Isn't It All Right Again? Nine seven two forty nine seven forty four hundred The nerd call to join us

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I've blown some smoke. But he actually were actually actually weren't lying. I do miss that segment every day. We might need to bring that. Yeah, you like that, you want to do that. I think you don't have to prepare for Yeah, I think you just just off the top of my head. Yeah, you get right. We'll help you with it. Just go off on the wall out there. I mean, you've got a bank of things to complain about. What's wrong with the wall. It's ugly, Oh it is, Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, we don't want to do

the walls. Yeah, it's I could talk Jack Black though, you guys used Joe, Yeah, I do use that very good? Is your face getting younger? That's I need more help than that. But Jack Black gives you a chance. Yeah it does. Nine seven two four nine seven forty four hundred the number to call. And by the way, looking up information on Tony Klaninger, we discovered that he just passed away five days ago. He has uh most recently been a consultant in the Socks organization in the last

fifteen years. He was the bullpen coach of the Yankees from ninety two to one, then went to the Red Sox organization and had been with the Red Sox and until he passed away this past week at age at age seventy seven, Denver, North Carolina. Yeah, so, anyway, a trip down memory lane. Very good? All right? We got Kyle in Fort Worth next up here on Talking Cowboys. Hello, Kyle, how are you doing? Bill Good? Hey, I got a question. I thank you for what you guys do. You guys

do an awesome job. Appreciate that. What do you guys? Most impressive out are have to look forward to as far as the receiving Corps goes. Just coming up here. A lot of interest in this receiving corps. I'm on the we touched on Gallop earlier. I'm on the Michael

Gallup train full board. I think he's gonna be You watch him out there, and he's got to learn to finish plays, and there's been some inconsistency in the offseason, but you watch him run routes and he's as explosive and complete a potential player as they've got out there. And how quickly can that train get on the track? That's that's the question, because it does take a little longer for receivers, and I don't know it's sometimes it varies depending on what kind of system they were in

in college. Um, but he looks like a guy that can that can make plays at this level with his ability to separate. I'll tell you what I was impressed with yesterday is the way that Alan Hearns extends for the ball. They throw him a slant that was not exactly on target, and he was able to with guys bearing down and reach out and stuff like that. All you need Alan Hurns to do is be as good as does Bryant was last year. Ye if that's if you get that, if you get eight touchdowns, and so

many yards and somebody can't. I mean that to me, that's all he needs to be. But I do I admire him right now. I think he catches the ball a little bit better than I was willing to give him credit for. I'm interested Terrence Williams back out here. As a matter of fact, Yeah, you didn't see him in team. But when I was watching the drills when they were thrown against air, he is running with kind

of renewed energy. It looks good. He looks like he is highly motivated to show everybody don't forget about me. And he was snatching the ball in this drill, so I don't know if they got that. You know what happens. You can practice something and then when you get in uh, you know, kind of a pressure situation, you revert to your old tibo. But he he was snatching the ball and he is running. I mean, he is running hard, so he's sort of ready. They're just taking care of going.

Let's not force him in too soon, but keep an eye on it. I think he's kind of the forgotten guy, and I think he's kind of want to put his hand up and go, don't forget about me. I put two size four teens up on the table for him in our in our twenty questions and everything we've been kind of talking about. I think that he's I don't think he's going to go quietly here. I really don't.

All right, when you when you mentioned that hearns, all he needs to do is what Dez did last you think, so, all right, how can how about the yards per catch? Because Dez was down last year. Obviously Dack was down on his yards per attempt. Yeah, I think if you

look at the number of catches. You know, we've seen Alan Hearns and we did a Tale of the Tape with him where they threw him a short pass in Jacksonville and he was able to break a tackle, break a tackle, then you know you're twenty more yards down the field. So the same kind of capabilities that Dez Brian has that that runner, when you mean, defensive backs see him in the open field are like, oh my gosh,

I have to tackle this guy. So yeah, if you could get him the ball, get it to him in a hurry, if they get him to him on the slants, if he can run those routes that we saw Dez Brian, Dez Brian all of a sudden, you know, and Sanji Alousa. This was an elite slant runner. But we didn't see an elite slant runner last year. I didn't feel like because there were too many times where and maybe he really didn't trust Dak Prescott where that ball was going to be, you know, with with with defenders on him

and stuff like that. It's no slam it does He's just thinking, Okay, I'm not it's not where I'm used to having the ball when it comes to slams. But I think if he has the same type of numbers as far as the catches, you know, and and and you know, the yard after the catch, I think the yards after the catch will come if you could get him the ball in the move because he is a physical runner with the ball in his hands. All right. Georgia and North Richland Hills in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

You're on talking Cowboys. Hello, George, Hello, Yeah, my question is about Dak. When he was in twenty sixteen, when he was in practice, it looked like he didn't do a lot of it, didn't feel like he knew what he was doing. But then when he got in the game, he was throwing passes sure like he knew what he was doing. Now to me, does it looked like right now? Does he look like he's trying to force the ball

or just playing it safe? Because to me, I think that he needs to take more chances and if he's going to throw an exception, just seeple what's going to happen? Because he plays better on teaming day than in practice, I think he's gotten better. Thank you for the call. I think he's gotten better at practice, to be honest with you, because I would have agreed in two thou sixteen. There was times when we were all out here in Oxten. I know me and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, man,

he missed that throw. How he's going to make that throw? And then he had a drill they went two minute one time, and he started kind of thing started clicking for him. And then we got to that Ram game field right after Romo got hurt, Yeah, and out right and then and then I'm like going. And then we get to that ram game and that first drive, You're like, well, where's this guy been? So he traditionally, even Stephen Jones did the spout him twenty and sixteen. He was a

bad practice player. I think you're seeing a better practice player. I think Dak will cut it loose. I don't think Dak is a cautious player. I think Dak will take chances. Obviously. He you know, he threw a ball the other day and we're talking about Tavon Austin. Tavon Austin is running around and basically is falling down. He's on the ground, I mean he's he's like, he's like horizontal the ground. He hits and pops up, and Dak's still throwing him

the ball. He's like, I'm going to throw it to you. I know you can get open, and Austin makes an adjusting catch, you know, and is able to go and a Lousia has kind of left, like going, WHOA, what has happened kind of thing. So I think he's willing to take chances. I just think he needs his receivers to do a little better job of separating, getting open, give him an opportunity to make some throws. He took some underneath stuff yesterday. He just kind of took what

was there on some place. He's had some good touch on some passes. It's a shame that the interception was. I felt like he had a guy in his face which forced him to maybe short it a little bit, but he took a chance. These all these quarterbacks are if you've noticed a lot of the passes they've thrown

have been down the field. There have been more passes you talk about Thompson throw, Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's that might be your fastest receiver other than Austin right that you're trying to well, he tried to hit Beasley down the field too. We talked about the stutter go that they tried to throw and he was open. Dak just missed that throw, but it it was a shot down the field. He'd be a better at quarterback if the wide receivers would catch the ball and not

pop off their hand. He had four pop off hands, catchable balls that ended up getting intercepted. The things not on him. And the thing with Dak, he's such a coachable player and had such a work ethic and so forth, and we've saw it even his rookie season in the middle of the season where he made an adjustment and remember his footwork was off the Philadelphia game, and then he was able to get it back together. And finish. You know, the second half of the season was strong

for him. So that's not a concern as far as that it's it's just it's a matter of getting on the same page with the new crop of receivers. If you want to talk about a quarterback that's thrown to some spots and I don't know why he's thrown to some spots, that's been Cooper Rush. He had another day yesterday where he just threw the ball into a into space and you know, and it's not okay. Now you have a couple of receivers, Katie Cannon being one of them, might not know where he needs to be and stuff

like that. We were watching that two receivers in the same spot and you're going, somebody's gonna do something here, and it's like he was expecting. But he's had a couple of those days where he's just you know, he's just kind of throwing it to a spot and nobody's been there where. And that's your point, Bill, about getting on the same page and you know, and and being being effective that way. All right, Jay and Frisco, You're next up here on Talking Cowboys. Hello Jay, Hey guys, Hey,

nice to talk to you, Brian. You and I met each other the first time the Cowboys had the draft at the stadium. Oh, thank you back with me, Rob, well, thank you. We were all the way back to Jay from Houston calling. But I mean Frisco now good, all right, It's good to hear you guys and watching you guys on the internet. I'm telling you four guys, awesome, man, thank you, thank you for watching talking Cowboys. And you know,

what you guys give us is priceless. And so the only thing I got to bring right now is that when I think about the backup quarterback situation, I watched Cooper Rush, I watched Mark White and guys, I gotta tell you Mark White, Mike White Man, when I go watch what he does on the field and when he was in college, it was awesome. But I'm torn because when you watch Cooper Rush in preseason last year, he made the plays, man, sure did. So how do you

how do you decide who stays who goes? And I'm now that three quarterback guy, right, we can only have two quarterbacks. They are they're planning on keeping three. Yeah, they are. Those guys. You know, those guys will decide it. They don't have to. Yeah, and I yeah, absolutely. One thing Brian you said a minute ago about Dak being kind of a gamer, we saw that from Cooper Rush last year. Actually were seen in practice a little bit sometimes. You know, I don't know if he's being a little

cautious or maybe misses some throws. He gets in the games and he I don't know, he just relaxes. He kind of feels the game a little bit. And so we'll see the game. The preseason games will probably decide, you know, yeah, my order of these two. But you know, the backup deal with Rush and Kellen went into the season last year, so maybe it's something they continue to look at as assuming both make the team. And then at this time last year, pretty much everyone assumed Cooper

Rush would probably be on the practice squad. Yeah, last year it was. And then and then everybody realized, whoa that Kellen Morris practice squad eligibility? Oh okay, well here let's do this, you know. And so yeah, I think that, like Mickey says, this will do it will be decided by four preseason games and some practice. But let me tell you this, though, Mike White is I love Mike White, you know, he was a guy at a third round grade on him at that when we're doing the draft

show and stuff like that. I was really happy the Cowboys took him where they took him. I think he's got a future to be a starting quarterback one day in the National Football League. But he'd better speed himself up a little bit. You know, we're not playing you know, Northern Illinois here. You know, we've we you know, this is real NFL defense, and you got to find a way, you know. Yeah, when you drop back and pass, make a decision, give rid of the football. Yeah, don't don't

hold the ball in the pocket. And and you know he's playing with a group of guys that are second and third offensive lineman. I get it. But you know, help your offensive lineman a little bit, you know, and you know, try and get your receivers to football. That's such a huge thing for quarterbacks, the transition is. You know, they have all this success in college and for so many of them, the one of the primary reasons they don't make it in the NFL is they can't process

quick enough with their decision making. And see that's where Cooper Rush has a little bit advantage because he's been through this, you know, he had that. But I think there's some pressure on Cooper Rush. I think he's not It's not one of these things. He realizes, well, they just drafted a quarterback. And I went from being a guy kind of by myself to wait a minute, you drafted a quarterback. So yeah, there's pressure on him to

have to perform in these preseason games and practices as well. Well. There's pressure on players throughout this roster, and which I think is one of the great things about this training camp is there's competitive competitiveness and so many position groups. Yeah, but let's hope that they evaluate their team the right way.

And it's gonna sound funny the way I'm gonna say this, but you know, and my experience from personal, when you get into training camp, you know everything, Oh, this disappears good, this appears good, this appears you know, and you're maybe hiding some of the things or you're not really seeing your team in a real light because they're competing against guys that you're probably going to get rid of it. And so I'm always looking at this as like, let's

hope this team. Let's hope Will and Jerry and Steven and these coaches, they evaluate their team the proper way, and it's when the team gets to fifty three that it is the right guys playing the right positions and stuff like that, and it's not okay, we're just carrying this guy because we're protecting the draft or whatever and this and that. Make sure you evaluate your team the

right way and make the tough, hard decisions. If if they want to carry two quarterbacks, you know, okay, find out, make the make the determination what you want to do. If you don't want to, if you want to carry Rico Gathers, make sure Rico Gathers. It's not just okay, we're doing Rico Gathers a favor here, because if you want to carry a Rico Gathers, you might have to go to exactly because I'll tell you who, who really I thought in some of the drills stood out was

was Blake Jarwin. Yeah this guy could run, Yeah he can, he could get up the field. You're absolutely right, and he runs good routes and he catches the The other thing that somewhat surprised me and I wasn't expecting, and Rob said, quit picking on the guy, Cameron Fleming. They moved him out. I didn't really see what you were seeing. Well, I just thought his knees were acting like he was forty Well that's the way he was playing five right.

And then he went out there and they put him at left tackle finally because he'd been at right tackle all through the off season, and they got into the pads and all of a sudden, guys couldn't get around him. Yeah, and I was going, well, that didn't look like the guy when they were out there in the walkthrough, and he gets it's like and you know what someone told me. He they said, don't worry about how ugly it is. Yeah,

worry about the result. And the result was good. He just looks like he can't move, but he's in that position. He locked guys up, and so that makes you feel better, a little bit better. Now, keep an eye on it for now. Yes, it's a definite upgrade over Byron Belly much so. Yes, absolutely. And you know Chaz Green is still out there competing, by the way, so we'll see

what happens with that. All right. We got a couple of minutes left here, so as they hit the practice field this afternoon right now, Well, and they've got it their walk through going on right now behind us four o'clock practice this afternoon Pacific time, and we want to remind you as well, next Sunday we will you'll be able to watch the practice right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com and in the Dallas Fort Worth area on t x A twenty one, which will be six o'clock

Dallas time next Sunday. But what are you looking for this afternoon? I'll tell you I'm interested once again to see if, now as good as the offensive line was, will the defensive line have bounce back after some corrections after sitting down a meeting. Okay, you realize now you're playing against all pro players. You better do something different. So I'm thinking, okay, what's going to happen inside of

the tackle spot? Maybe maybe peggyback a little bit off what they saw from the Marcus Lawrence and say okay, hey, that's the way you're supposed to play. So I'm gonna see if the defensive line has a little bit better day. I don't want to. I don't expect the offensive line just to have a complete shutout like they did yes, and I expect to see some one on one work wide receivers. That's absolutely yeah, that's yesterday. That's where I'm going.

I want to see Cheeto against some of these new guys, whether it's a Michael Gallup or Alan Hearns, and see how the best in the secondary competes against some of these new receivers. Although that drill is the most unfair drill and football, it's unfair, but it's I mean, he's got all the space in the world. Day. If you're covering in that drill and knocking the ball down, you need to start right that that Mickey's right, that is

not a fair drill at all for a quarterbacks. Got no rush, you know, go ahead, make all the moves you want and okay, I want to throw you the ball. Cover it all right. We're back tomorrow, off day, no practice, no practice. We've got to figure out what it will be. A configuration, will be a show. There will be a show tomorrow. We'll figure out the configuration and check Dallas Cowboys dot com or Twitter or elsewhere for all the details for Mickey, Bryan Rob I'm Bill Jones. Enjoy your Sunday,

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