Talkin' Cowboys: Comfortable Or Concerned?

in town. That would be us, that would be talking Cowboys, that would be us live from the Star in Frisco, as we are reunited, and it's also good boys family. Did you still let a trope from Mickey? Did? I got goes with the old school references, so no, thateen seventy six. Maybe I had to google that as the show intro was coming out because I thought, oh, the boys are back in town. I don't know what year this was released, so I wanted to look it up.

I even didn't even know Finn Lizzie saying that I'm not gonna lie didn't either. I had no idea the name of whatever the artist was that that put that out there. But my Harrison, Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's back here with talking cowboys and boys. It is good to be back here. I missed you, guys. I missed you guys. Y'all left, y'all, Yeah, y'all left me. Now, wait a second, I was worried about you jumping ship. Yeah, what are you worried about me? What are you talking about?

You worried about me? You don't start that, I was, don't you start the only a little bit too good? A little bit too good? Wow? Yeah, so the brother too. The only reason I say that is because on the break yesterday they were having like show versus show talk about which show is better. And you've spent some time with hanging lady, and I thought I didn't know where you're legions necessarily lie. Maybe they're threatening because he did such an awesome job. Maybe they're threatened now that you

know he's coming back. And our team has been working hard during his awesome We've been working really hard during I would expect that from Kyle. But this is a sneak blow. Are you hurt? Pa? Really? This is a side is you're here though? Yeah? So we're good. Let's go, So I miss you guys. All of us have really kind of had new roles introduced to us over the last three and a half four weeks now, I mean, heck, my hats a host hanging with the boys, which, by

the way, fantastic job. That's always great job. Isaiah over here was the color commentator a three man booth for the air Cardinals preseason. Ye, fantastic job. As always. Rob as a new father, of course we knew that. And he's having to go through anything else new for you. That's about it. But yeah, that's time. There's that long since we hung out. Who questions are I'm trying to find something new for Rob? Oh, well you're you're putting

together a documentary, so that's a big time thing. Yes, yes, airing Saturday. Oh yeah, Darren Woodson. Darren Woodson called a Path to safety his life and career. So we're excited about that. It be really where it'll be on all of our social channels and airing locally, I guess on

on CBS before the preseason game. It leads into countdown to kickoff for the preseason game against the Texans, and we did it last week with the Drew Pearson documentary, Drew Pearson's life documentary and kind of his story along the way to his Hall of Fame career. Really really good job from the Deep Blue staff all the way over. And we're excited for Rob's as well. For fans that are very passionate to think wood he should be in

the Hall of Fame, I think they'll enjoy this. Yeah, it outlines why why he needs to be there for sure, and certainly I think he should be in that conversation. So once again, the Darren Woodson documentary, you said, A path to Safety. Yes, I love that. I love that name. That's coming up Saturday, so we should to look out for that. I did some sideline reporting that was fun. You've been all over the place. Though, you've been all over the place. You've been the sideline reporter. You're doing

the camp preview, precamp, post camp. I mean, cool, man, what can't you do? Battleground even tell us he's right Battleground arts on Dallas Cowboys doctor. I mean, come on, he's a busy man, I am, And it's been a ton of fun. And I have I've missed you guys. I've missed the show. I've missed being in studio and so having every everybody back is exciting, especially since we were able to keep Peckmun and extend him to a

long term contract deal. We had some some competition from hanging with the boys and we had So let's go ahead. Since we haven't had this conversation as a group, I want to get everybody's general thoughts about what happened in Oxnard and kind of the growth of this team over the last three and a half weeks. Hech, I'll start with you to kind of to get things started. But what have you seen growth wise the most over the last couple of weeks and throughout training camps so far.

I mean, there's plenty to go to talk about the defense obviously from last year, and just dan Quinn's effect, the way that these guys are pursuing the ball, the way that they're using these multiple looks. I think dan Quinn's affect on this defense. And I've heard Nate Newton say maybe it'll take about six games, but for me, you know, some of the things that I'm seeing are

immediately the immediate impacts. I think the competition level, which we talked about the culture changing thing coming through competition, and I've loved to see a lot of the competition. Now it's all about these last couple of preseason games, just to see them put this chemistry together, to see, you know, what we're gonna have in our team in twenty twenty one. But for the most part, I think it's just been about the competition culture that I see

happening through Oxnard and continuing here in Frisco. Yeah, I think obviously taking a look at the defense, you know, trying to figure out who our guys are going to be. I think we had probably half of our defensive starters established. Aside from that, it's pretty competitive, you know, to your point, I think it's an open, open competition. So I think trying to see how that's going to kind of, uh, you know, the dust is going to settle on that in terms of the secondary, in terms of what you're

rotation gonna be a linebacker. I think in terms of the defensive line, obviously we just suffered a blow with Gallimore, but trying to understand what that's going to look like. So I think a lot of our understanding of that we have we have guys that can play, but how do we involve them into the scheme, right, how did they from and how does that change from week to week based upon our opponent and what they're presenting. And then on the offensive side of the ball, it's all

been it's been all about getting healthy. I think, you know, seeing if our offensive alignment or healthy, can they can they take rushes? Can they you know, can they put that back foot in the ground and take a bull rush on? You know, going against the rams and practice? How how did that go? We saw some guys had a little fight in them. Um at the receiver position. We're getting you know, guys are stepping up seedee lamb

stepping up. The competition for the sixth position is really kind of picking up right now, especially with the injury of the Malik Turner um and ending and then of course all the drama you know, revolving around Dak and do we have a second quarterback? Do we have is that guy on the roster? So a lot of question marks in terms of the offense right now, but I think in terms of the defense, just who is it going to be? Yeah, I go along with what Isaiah

just finished with. There's still some position battles that I'm not sure about, you know, backup quarterback. I think Garrett Gilbert has been by far the best backup quarterback in this camp. But you know, budget pending, you know, would they be still open to creating competition there based on what they've seen with him. It's been good for him to get some extra reps and kind of see where he is running this offense. If you know, they come

into a situation without Dak during the season. Backup swing tackle, what's the situation there? Backup center, what's the situation there? And now this defensive line at defensive tackle, no Neville Gallimore, who steps in? They got good numbers, as Mike McCarthy said yesterday, at that position. They don't have a ton of experience at that position. So those are still questions I've got going into this last stage of training camp. But there there have been a lot of good things.

And you mentioned Ceedee Lamb. We had a discussion our last show, I think before we all broke before camp, and I said, Amari Cooper is the best receiver on this team. He's gonna have competition for that this year. Based on what we've seen out here in Oxnard. I'll still go with the MARII Cooper based on his entire body of work his career. But what we've seen from Ceedee Lamb in these practices and they're not tackle practices, but he has been dominant. He looks like a first

round draft pick in everybody's fantasy leagues this year. That's big time head. I didn't know this football. So Robert, are you taking Ceedee Lamb over Amari Cooper and in your fantasy I didn't say that, I got I got that in my head yesterday because Derek was like, where would you where would you just hypothetically draft him in draft? I'm like, I don't know, first round, not first overall necessarily, but hi, I mean, if he's going to do this

all season, that all purpose yards, that fantasy impact. So outside of Ceedee Lamb, if you would have told me back on July nineteenth, to day before we left for Oxnard that the majority of my questions in the middle of August would be on the offensive side of the football, I might have laughed at you. Yeah, but there are a lot of questions on that offensive side, and luckily for that, the offense starters isn't necessarily the biggest question.

It's all about the depth because starter wise, I think you're pretty much set. You could set the starters right now with your eyes closed, with nothing en in front of you. You've got your starters set down after that, which you're going to go after that. It almost looks like you're one deep in every position and there's not a whole lot underneath that. Is that scaring you as much as it scares me? Yeah, it should scare you.

But the thing is is that training camp is all about evaluating talent in depth, and so they've had an opportunity to see where they are. And I think going into training camp you wanted to figure out how they were going to shore up the swing tackle position. You thought that there were going to be certain players or development from Still and Night and even the Secky signing, that we would kind of the learning curve would be there and you would kind of put that whole thing

to bed. But I think when you see the players come back, like even with Leo Collins and him coming off of the labor surgery, even looking at Trip you know with Smith and seeing where he is again, I don't fault you for having those questions after seeing Still in Night play for two preseasons and even the sec even though he did a lot better in the second preseason game. I think those questions are going to loom and you're gonna have them all the way until Raymond

James Stadium. Yeah, I'm concerned. I'm very concerned. Swing tackle is one. I think you just made a great point swing tackle. I'm extremely worried about. I am ultra worried about the center spot. What happens to if Tyler Biadas is not able to play all six? But you knew that going into the sea. You knew we get But that's the thing is we always looked at him. We had that spot circled. I think we talked about it

on it. Yes, I think we were saying, okay, what's after Tyler Beotish because there wasn't a whole lot of was Matt Farniott who played guard for the majority of his time at Nebraska. What's going on backup quarterback is the same thing. I think Garrett Gilbert has done the most out of those three positions to ensure that, Hey, guess what, We're gonna be fine at that spot if

worst comes to worst. But either way, you're not comfortable any of those three don't like our backup quarterback situation, even with Gilbert at all, I don't yes, no, no, Gilbert. Gilbert is not the answer. And that's no disrespect here. I know he's doing his best, and you know he's

he's given and given us all. But for this offense, it is very apparent to see the discouragement on the faces and the body language of all the players that are on the field when he's out there, when he goes, when he even especially even last night, guys are running open. You have guys beat on a goal routes or post routes about one or two steps and it's underthrown, the ends up hitting the back of a defensive back. That

is discouraging. As a receiver. You can see CD. You can see galloping those guys walking back, not running back, walking back to the huddle of saying next man, go ahead, get the next rep. That's because I really don't care to be in there right now with that guy. I'm

just I'm just telling you how it is. And when when it's when you have those players that that keep you you, you recognize he's not Dak as a player on that team, you reckon, He's not Dad, He's not our guy, nor is he supposed to know exactly, but you expect him to come in and to deliver, right, It's one thing. Effort is one thing, right and executing is another. He's giving effort, he's trying his best, but sometimes your best just isn't enough to match up with

the the the guys that you have around you. So if these guys are out running him, not good. If he's he's patting the ball because he doesn't feel curfortable in the pocket, is not good. If he can't step up into pocket and deliver a ball when guys are blitzing, it's not good. If he doesn't have the ability to get out the pocket and create plays when that happens,

it's not good. So it's not good, not only because you can't run the same offense that you can run when Dak's in in the game, but these guys don't even have the faith in you that you can even move the ball down the field. And that's when it becomes an issue because you've seen it last year. Ceedee Lamb dropped a lot of balls last year, not because he wasn't able to catch the ball, but because he was like, I'm not gonna be able to do nothing

with this ball afterwards. You know, it's literally a light switch. I'm discouraged, So I'm not putting forth that extra to go get this thing because we're probably gonna have him three and out really quickly. So I had noticed the same energy level drop off the first practice following Dak Prescott's shoulder injury. There was a noticeable drop off with the energy and ox Nard, how many practices have you watched in Frisco to see that exact thing or watched

live in general to see that. I saw it in the game. I saw it in the game the other night. I saw it, and I saw it last night. I saw the practices and in California. So three for three, Yeah, you've been three you've been out for three days, and you've seen it all three days. That I mean, that's that's worrisome. That's and and it'd be one thing if it was just like a couple of plays, But there's

it's consistent. It's very consistent. It's it's a sack. It's a it's a you know, I'm assuming it's a it's not picking up the call in terms of where you're sending your protection up front. I'm not in there to see that, but he's getting sacked. UM. Ball location is

not on point. There's a couple of throws here and there that you say, oh, hey, good job, But when it's pretty consistent that if the ball is not being worried where it needs to be, that's interesting because I mean, former quarterback, I trust your opinion for sure, UM, and I do to your point. I think when he's been able to set his feet, he's had some nice touch on the ball, not only the throw he made the

other night, but in practice he's done that too. I think he's shown some good poise in these preseason games when the pocket breaks down. But there have been a couple of throws first drive of preseason in Canton, and then I think the first drive the other night where easily could have been intercepted. So yeah, there's some decision

making gotta you gotta look at. I still think he's probably gonna be the backup unless they find an option that that fits their salary situation, because it's not what it was last year. UM. But the reality of the situation is, I don't know what else is really going to be out there that's that's better than Garrett Gilbert for what they can afford, probably, And it's the reality

of the job too. If you don't have Dak Prescott for a stretch of games at some point in this season for whatever reason, they're not counting on that because his shoulder is doing a lot better. Um, it's gonna be a problem and it's gonna be a pill. I have a projection, what's that. I foresee there being a surprise cut or surprise trade to go get a number

two quarterback. It's definitely something they'll talk about. I'd be shocked if they didn't, because at this point they have to because it's not even close at the other at the third and fourth guy, it's not even close. It's a separation. And even when you look at the town of level you're talking about Ceedee Lamb and guys, he's receiving core of these veteran guys, they they know when you don't have it. They've ran this route a hundred times. And if you hadn't gotten it there any of the times,

they look, you just can't do it. And that's the discouragement that you're talking about. But that's where that's where even with the backup center position and with the backup quarterback. The powers that be, they know these guys talent level, what they can and can't do, and these are just things that have to be fixed. The backup center position

is pari month. They have to do something about that right now, because you can't go into a season thinking that all of these things are interchangeable, like Martin is to right tackle, like you just can't Williams left guards to center. It's just it's just not that easy. It was a great idea on paper. It was a great idea, and I think this offensive staff has been spoiled with having a Joe Looney who can do that position. Flash can go from guard to backup center and kind of

be that guy bad and forth. I think I got spoiled a little bit in that regard. They tried to do with Connor Williams, and they said, hey, you're good enough to get that done. You're a great or I wouldn't say great, you're a good left guard in the league. You could be a good center. Right. It's not that easy, it really is. Do you if he fixed his snapping woes, would you be okay? Yeah? Yeah, but that's the first

order of absolutely so, do you guys. Do you guys believe that that can be fixed with just reps um maybe a thousand reps Yeah, I think it can. And I personally don't think the experiment's over with because I don't know what their other recourses unless they know McGovern played it in college, but they haven't been willing to put him at that position for whatever reason. I still think they're going to work at it with him. I just wonder why they didn't do it in yeah, in

May and June to kind of accelerate this process. Maybe they thought they had Joe Looney in their back pocket and they weren't really worried about it until training camera. They giants, I'd say, you they what they did. What they did was low down. As soon as Kellen Moore and Oxnard said, yeah, we don't have Joe yet. J G hops on the phone. You don't have Joe at all, my friend, you're not gonna have Joe. Joe retired and they still have first rights to Joe. It becomes out

of retirement. Yeah, So interesting thoughts at center. I think I agree with you, Rob, I don't think they're done yet. And it was what was it two snaps or three snaps during that Arizona game that we're iffy too and too. You could really say two in the first game too, So yeah, four snaps I think in live action, yeah, it's it's it's it's not good. It's you can't have that happen, and that that affects Garrett Gilbert. I do

think to play devil's advocate. I think there are plenty of things on offense you can be happy about and optimistic about, even depth wise. I mean, I think your wide receiver depth is really good. Good point. I think you're tight end depth is good, although it's gonna take it's gonna take him a little while to come back, um from from the ankle injury, probably maybe into the regular season, so got three weeks to go there. Centers into the preseason you mean end of preseason? Yeah, sorry,

end of preseason. So center, you could always kick Zach Martin at the tackle. I keep saying that that would be my recourse. But if they're just looking at the guys that are competing for that job right now, I don't know, it's up in the air who's gonna win that job as the swing guy and then yeah, backup quarterback. I like some of the things we saw from Garrett

Gilbert and Oxnard. But it's not a It's not an any Dalton situation where you feel, hey, this guy started one hundred and thirty games in the league, and I feel great about this. If Dad goes down, it's just how do you feel if we go into week one and this right shoulder situation hasn't progressed and it's still something that's limiting him on throws, and they say, Okay, this is going along a lot longer than we think, and Garrett Gilbert is gonna get the start like it's

Tom Brady. Well, I don't feel great about it. Okay, I don't feel great about it. It was rhetorical. I just yeah, I just wanted to get your expression. Well, everyone listening that as a Cowboys fan just have their heart ripped out of their chest by heck hairs. No, no, don't put that on me. I was talking to Pete. I was saying, he said he looked good, and you know he did have some he has had days where

they've moved the balls in offense. I think Kyle's point the first couple of days after Dak sat out, it was the defense was just flying around, shutting down the offense. It got better progressive. The problem they've had is the problem they've had with Dak or whoever. In the games, in these first two preseason games, they haven't finished drives.

They can't finish drives, you know, field goals. That might be a conversation we have in the Then the third segment, I want to talk about Kellen Moore and kind of the offensive scheme and scoring early in red zones troubles. Is this something that's going to continue into twenty twenty one. However, when we come back here on the other side of the break, we've got some fan questions. People are excited that the band is back together. How about that the

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all right. Time now to answer some fan questions. I've got Chris Beam in the back back and his rightful throne of running the show. He's got the sounder ready for some fans on the fis on the fifty. I love that isn't great and normally for those of you who may not have joined us. In terms of fans on the fifty during the regular season, last year, our show started at nine thirty, so the first segment was over at nine to fifty, so it was fans on

the fifty. Right now, we're at eleven and we will be up until the start of the regular season, so we'll be fans on the twenty pretty much. So we're getting closer closer to the red zone, I think with the fans at the moment. So, but we can't call it Twitter on the twenty because that's what the Draft show uses. So it's a little bit different. So let's start things off with our guy, Jake. He always asked great questions. First off, he says he's excited the band

is back together. Do you think we're gonna keep all eleven of the draft picks that the Cowboys made? Aside from Josh Ball and Farniac, it seems like every drafted rookie has been making plays. What do you guys think we'll start. We'll start with you, Rob That's a great question. I don't know if Farniac makes this team, but other than that, I think just about every guy should be

on this roster. I mean, you go down the list and Israel mcquama is a guy that I don't know where he fits in as a rookie in the lineup, but you watch him play in these games and you're like, there's a lot to work with here. He makes a player too, and you're thinking that this is this is why they drafted him. So I think there's a great chance that ten out of eleven, you know, and Josh. I don't think Josh Ball's not going to make this team.

He's just been hurt, just injured, and I think his chances of winning the backup swing tackle job aren't there. But but yeah, I'd say at least ten out of eleven. And Farniak is interesting because of the necessity maybe at center, if he's that other option outside of Connor Williams at center other than Tyler Battish, maybe he makes it because of that. Maybe that's the thing that that they throw into the mix. I think mcquambo's an interesting conversation as

far as the top three four round guys. I think you're pretty safe at saying those guys are going to make the roster, and a lot of people in the past would say and you guys can can agree or disagree with this afterwards, but usually if you're a Day one, Day two, and an early Day three pick, you're gonna make the roster. But with eleven draft picks, it's busy. I mean, there's a lot of guys late in that draft class that probably aren't a high priority for roster

acquisition and things of the sword. Is there anybody that sticks out to you in that regard? Heck, I don't want to take send me Fihoko away from you. No, no, no, I know that you're on, but I mean I was staying with the old line trend. I think Farniaki is another guy that's battling to get on this roster, but the thing with the backup center may be his saving grace to get on. I'm with you on easy mcquomo. He's a guy that I loved and know Tas loved

his footwork and everything that he's he's been doing. But in some games, I've just seen a few things with him catching and you pointed that out in your color commentating and the in the game that he's catching tackles and you can't do that from his from Dan dan Quinn's defense, But I do believe that he is guy that makes the team. But he may never suit out during the year. Yeah, that may just be his his reality.

But you know, again for all the other guys, I just feel like Ball is going to make this team. Um and and like I'm with you, there's ten out of eleven may make it. Well, I forgot about Simmy that that's an interesting one. What do you think that's why I'm leaving it for him on the show? Do you think I'm allio that one? I know you guys are going ten for eleven. I'm going eight for eleven. Well, I just we have a lot of events tards team.

We have a lot of events on this team. And when you're trying to make a run right now, which is what mister Jones's focus is, he's not concerned about development. It sounds bad, but you know, you you draft a lot, and you see what you got, and you're doing to let down to what you absolutely need that you don't draft eleven just to say I'm keeping eleven. Now you draft eleven to see, Okay, out of this eleven, who

are the best guys that deserve to be here? If that requires me cutting a fifth round pick, that's what it is. You know, typically the only time that you're safe is one through four. So anybody below that is really sonantically Ball, I think balls there. I think Ball's there. You know, Farniat, I think he's probably gone. Um I love. I mean Simmy, Simmy has a heck of opportunity right now with Malik Turner out, depending on how how long

Malik turners. If Malik turners out the rest of the preseason, that might that might be, you know, that might be Simmy's opportunity to slide in. But if if Malik Turner finds a way to get back in here within that last preseason game, I think it's hard and he has to slide in at the sixth receivers Oh yeah, yeah, one through five, there's no wiper five cut. No, you're not cutting. No, Brown, you're not cutting. Said well, so they tried, but no, those not those guys are as

consistent as they've ever been. So you so it's a between Malik Turner and you know, who's a vet, who's been around, who knows how to play. You know with you what you're gonna get out of him on special teams. Simmy doesn't bring anything in special teams number six receivers not playing offense, So what do you need him on the roster for to play special teams? So you're gonna typically you go with the for sure thing in that regard,

which he would be a core special teamer. Malik Turner would be one of the five core guys that that that he talks about. That's right. I mean he was on the team, not even kind of like CJ. Like CJ doesn't count really as a corner. And I don't know if they counted Malik as a wide receiver last year. So that's a good point. Um, yeah, I forgot about Simmy. I mean, I'm kind of hesitant. I might go nine out of eleven there, but I do wonder if he's cut at the end of camp, he may be getting

claimed by so he'll get absolutely. I just don't see for what this team needs right now. I don't see that he provides that value now. I think he'll be okay down the road, but I don't get the sense of urgency that he can contribute in the way which you need him to right now, which is your four or five and six receivers would be key contributors on special teams, that's what they would be. It's you're right,

it would be a developmental guy, kind of like keeping mcuamo. Yeah, you know, I mean Reggie Robinson was a developmental guide and I don't see him sticking around past it, you know, past this year. So so I mean, and then you look at mcquamo. I love mcquamo, but he's not a he's not hitting. So he has to show over the next two weeks that he can hit. And that's really a decision for him. If he shows that, the shows the staff that he's willing willing to hit, he doesn't

have to be awesome at it. Are you willing to throw your head in there and hit somebody, then he makes this roster. If he doesn't, then guess what you're into. You're an additional corner, just like he played at the end of the last game. But they show you how much they value of Mukuomo on some of their stuff. Yeah, I love, I love. You know he's not He's not only in it free. They'll bring him up in the nickel corner situation yesterday, you know him come up in

the nickel corner set and do really well. So that's what I'm saying. I think he's a guy that may make the team. But I but then again, the same thing with him, right, if he's going to be on the roster and you're not going to be like one of our primary safeties or primary corners, what do you have to be able to do to contribute special teams? Special teams? And if you're not running and hitting anybody, you're not playing special teams. Point taking. So if he

makes that decision, he secures his spot. That's all they are waiting for. Are you going to decide to throw your head in there and hit somebody? If you're unwilling to do that, I can't help you. And we're not talking about the cuts, by the way, for those listing from ninety to eighty five, this is not our conversation. We're mostly talking about the fifty three man roster. In the practice squad. Whenever that comes up, there's a good chance that those guys don't go don't go claimed and

go unclaimed and make their way through waivers. I think Mquamma would probably have a better shot of it than Semi Phohoko, But we see it every year where a guy we think is going to get claimed ends up going unclaimed because every every team has their dudes that they want to hold onto, and maybe Phohoko, if he is one of the cutdowns, is one of those guys.

We're not going to talk a whole lot about the five cuts because those could come out any minute and we don't want to kind of like make our predictions on it too early. How about this, This is from Ernie. He says, does Da going into a sixth year absolutely need those preseason reps? What value comes from playing him at a series against the Houston sections that he can't get in practice. I'll leave that to Isaiah. No, he

doesn't necessarily need them, not physically, he doesn't need them. Mentally, he may, but none of us are in that room, none of us are sitting next to him to understand his confidence level right now in his ankle, in his shoulder now, and that throws a whole other thing into into it. So I don't believe that he need necessarily needs those reps. I think the guys around him need those reps. Dak doesn't need those reps. His receivers need those reps. His office alignment need those reps. His tight

ends need those reps. Those are the guys that need him because they their success is dependent on him. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I Lewis Riddick on ESPN had a great point. I love his analysis, and he was saying, you know, every year in the NFL is new. You know you have a rapport with wide receivers on your team, but you have to re establish that every year. And I do think there's been something lost by him not being able to throw in these practices.

And I do think you're you're the expert on this situation. I think it would be good for him maybe to get a series or two just to kind of see the field in live action and get out there with

his guys. But clearly they're not worried about that much because based on what Mike McCarthy said yesterday, heck like they're not going to rush him in any way and to this point where now I'd be surprised if he plays in preseason because if they're keeping him out of competitive drills right now in practice, they've only really got two practices left this week, and then they play the game, and he said, we're not going to play him in

the Jacksonville game. So now it looks like it's pointing toward Tampa Bay and they're they're fine with that as long as the biggest thing is keeping him healthy. You guys, you kill me when y'all come off, so cool, call him and collective about things, right, because nobody said this guy's he's eleven months removed from football, eleven months. Not only that, he's had to have a reconstruction surgery of the ankle, basically putting things back. Two surgeries. All right,

now we're going to the shoulder. And by the way, guys, we opened up and Tampa obey and if he's not gonna take any pre season snaps at all, your live action is live action with the World champs on Thursday night. Eyeballs all over this thing. And the defense, by the way, man, they are salivating to get ahold of Dak. There's gonna be a bunch of seven and eight man fronts to come after him and pressure him. He's seeing that pretty

much his whole career. If he doesn't have the rhythm with his wide receivers, then when do you establish that? Do you establish that in real time? No friendly fire, wartime kind of situation, because most of the time in the Army, they at least play war games before they've seen you out there. And I understand he's a veteran six years. These things come natural. It's in nate for him to play the quarterback position. But still there has to be a rhythm component to this that this offense

doesn't have. I agree with you. I'm not like to panic mode about it, but I do think what sucks is that he pulled himself out and we saw everything that happened on hard knocks that folded. Why they you know, they kept him out of those drills. It was the

first padded practice, first padded practice. He hasn't really had any team drills since he's come back off the ankle and if and you know, we'll see when he gets back into that, and he probably will before the end of preseason, but it's not as much as you would like to just get a rhythm and and seeing the field, seeing things, processing things at the quarterback position. It's not it's not ideal. You know when you guys saw on Heart Knocks that Mike McCarthy asked about some number for

DAK What what is that? Like this the GPS? Yes, yeah, it's mostly like a it's the tracking system. Yeah, tracking system to see how far, how long they were going under Oh kind of is what it is. I just I didn't know what it's. It's a numeric value to the physical strength or a strain that that the players are going in what you do in your gym with no so we have so you guys have that last year in the league. That technology has been money. That

technology has been around soccer for a very long time. Yeah, they used it all they're using a soccer a ton. It's just essentially it's a track advice. It literally measures how far you ran that day, how fast you were going, um, exactly your acceleration, and it just puts analytics to your actual work. So instead of just saying, hey, heck was you've been out there running? It seemed like you had a you know, you had sixty plays a day. Okay, cool,

that's that's a good amount. All right, Well how hard were you going? What was your heart rate? All those kind of things, right, so there, but to track all that information, and essentially what you saw our hard knocks was them saying as too many reps on his leg. It wasn't a shoulder. There's too many reps on his ankle. Right, we don't, we don't. We don't need that on him right now, so let's pull him back. I did not like that. Either did not like that. No, we did not.

I like the competitive side of that. A lot of people were like, oh my gosh, whatever, and like, no, I like that. Um, I want to go back to what Heckman was saying. No, and a very good point, by the way, the first time he's going to test a hundred percent, because no matter what you do to try and replicate it in practice, you have a red jersey on, you're not running away from people trying not

to get tackled in practice. The first time if he doesn't see a preseason snap, the first time he's gonna do that is with that front seven from the reigning world champions barreling down upon you. Yeah, that's not it's not what you want, But I mean, let's look at the reality. Had it not been for his shoulder, he would been playing in preseason. Yes, had not been for his shoulder, he would have been playing in preseason. But

since his shoulder, your game plan has changed. So now, obviously he's just now starting to throw again, So you don't play him in this game obviously, And then you're not going to play him in the last preseason game that you have because that team's gonna be playing their two's at best yep, So you don't put him at risk for that because those guys are gonna be playing balls to the walls and they don't they's gonna be reckless abandonment, they don't, they don't care. They're gonna be

throwing their bodies around. It's not a safe environment. And it's not going to be the quality of guys that he's gonna be playing against the following a week anyway. So how much would he really get or gain out of playing a series or two against guys that are not at the quality or caliber of guys that he's gonna be facing on week one. It's not worth the risk, that's all. That's all we're saying. It's it's not that he doesn't need the reps, it's just that those aren't

quality reps. So you're you're, you're, you're putting him at risk for something he's not going to get a lot of value out of his risk rest reward that we've we've had hints of this the last week or so. A few of us chatted with Stephen Jones and Ox Hard and he said that it's overrated to worry about a veteran quarterback not getting preseason reps. I So they don't seem to be concerned. And the biggest thing is, let's not have a setback with that shoulder. Yeah, let's

you know, let's not do anything. And Mike reference like his volume throwing, he's just not to that point where he's throwing the amount of balls that he normally does. And until they get to that point, they're not gonna put him out there. People need people need to be more concerned about his shoulder than his ankle. Go, wow, why that's that's facts. His ankle is fine. Okay, his ankle's fine. I mean, mckillan was perfectly fine. It's he

got rolled up on. So that could happen to anybody. Yeah, right, So your ankle is good until somebody rolls the ball you whether you had previous injury or not. His shoulder, he uses that thing. It's based off of last year fifty something times a game. Okay, So the wear and tear of that game, along with the amount of reps that you have in practice if you pull. I reference this to to heck man, if you pull. For those in the world have pulled a hamstring. You pull a hamstring,

you nurse it up, you heal it up. If you don't heal it all the way, if there's even a slight tear stealing that hamstring, at some point in time, when you put that under duress and under stress, it's going to retear. So, being that this is a muscular issue seemingly for him and his shoulder, there's a risk, not necessarily not right now right but down the road when there's some more wear and tear on him that

this presents itself again. Which is why the conversation we're having previously is so important for them to prepare for the worst case scenario in terms of making sure that their number two guy can carry the load for a week or two, just in case, Just in case. Now you praying you hope that it never presents itself. You who do everything that you can, sure that's the case, but you prepare as if it's going to present itself. Hmm. That was a good question, by the way, that was

a fantastic question. Great job, Ernie. Um. Yeah, so I'm not ready to press it yet, but I'm on Amazon right now. I'm ordering a panic button. Put it right here, put it on my side of the table. You're gonna use prime delivery on one, all right? When we come back here on Talking Cowboys? Is it time to hit the panic button on Kellen Moore in the red zone? Maybe when we come back on the other side of the break. Hi, I'm Clid Tillison with United aggin Turf.

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benefits here at the start and more. Visit Dallas Cowboys dot com slash united for details and to join today. Welcome back in to Talking Cowboys final segment here on this Tuesday. We'll be back Thursday at eleven am Central time to break you down, and then it will be Monday, Wednesday, Friday next week, so you get us on a trio of occasions. I like it. I like it a lot. Heck Harrison, Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, Kyle Yeoman's the band is back together here in Frisco. Yeah, there you go.

It was a good open. It was a good reference at the was it was? Um? I was asked on the sideline. I was. I was walking around and by the way, Cowboys Nation showed out at that Arizona game. By the way, they were a lot of Cowboys fans everywhere. They were loud. I know that's usually the case, but I mean that being my first time on the sideline for a Cowboys game and I guess four years Yeah, it was. Did you feel like a small human? Yeah? Yeah, yeah I did. I'm and I'm six three, Like I'm

not a little guy. Heckma makes me look little. You make me look little. Rob sometimes does too. He's he's a big guy. We're all kind of large human beings in here. But man, I felt, Oh that's a word I never thought I would hear on this show. Um, Chris, can you get a dump? But what he's talking about

just folded? Um? Yeah that. Um. I was asked while while walking around by somebody up in the sands, said, what what what time are we going to talk about Kellen Moore, Well, when are we talking about Kellen Moore?

And my initial answer was the regular season in my head anyways, And my thought process as the day went along was, this was such an issue in the red zone last year getting off to a hot start offensively, with the exception of the first I guess three games, even then we got off to slow starts, So I guess all of last year's slow starts offensively. Is this a problem? Heck, Ma Harrison, is Kellen Moore? What's going on with him and his play calling early in games

and then whenever they get into the red zone. This preseason has really in just training camp and being able to be in the building has given me an up close and personal look at Kellen Moore's offense. And my honest opinion is is if this thing ever catches, it is going to be on fire. Sure it is going to I mean because he's using multiple sets. I mean he ran out of I had someone point is that he ran he actually passed out of an eye formation that is so nineteen eighty eight, Like if Emma Smith,

Moose and Mike in Harper out there. Because this is just certain things you hadn't seen in an offense in a very long time. I like it. The thing is I think sometimes is that he gets to the red zone and he's got a list so big, and he's trying to figure out how to get the play calling together, and he's had some misses, right, And I'm not making up a whole bunch of excuse. I just like the scheme that he has and I think that it's absolutely going to work once he gets Dak and gets gets

his all of his guys back together. But those are the questions that are looming with Kelly Moore, and I feel like, you know, look, you guys, we're married, man in and so you know that the best apology is change behavior. I can tell you I'm sorry all day, but if I don't change my behavior, then I'm just gonna doom to repeat it over and over again. Change your behavior in the red zone, Kelly, change your behavior

in the red zone. Run the ball. And I know a lot of people do not like going with those you know, twelve twenty, get crowded all up together and run the ball. But sometimes you gotta go back to basics on this thing. And that's where I feel like Kelly needs to be I well, I would like to think that Kelly Moore has been in his waterboy green bugger and that he's been drawing up before it got

stolen from him. Come up with this. I would like he has been drawing up just the most ridiculous plays you've ever seen, because he has every weapon that every team in this league wishes they had. Aside from Tampa, we have the most weapons in this league on offense side of the ball, and with the new arrival of a Dalton Schultz and what he now allows for you to do from on that side of the ball, we

are possibility should be endless. So I would like to think that his behavioral change is coming this year, and preseason should be no indication in terms of what his work has been on the back end, because he's not supposed to show what he's going to do when his opening season comes. Now Week one, I want all the tricks out because they need to get off to a heck of a start against a heck of a team. Yeah, for sure, I Kyle, your initial reaction, that's mine. I'm

reserving till the regular season. I think Kex said that too. Haven't seen Zeke have a carry in preseason, I think I think running the ball with starting offensive line is what they didn't have last year to be able to create that that part of your offense with all the injuries, that hurts you in the red zone when you can't do that, and if you have to go back and

look at every situation and why it didn't happen. If you look at the first drive that they had in the red zone against the Steelers in Canton, it was pass protection. You know, a couple plays broke down and he had to toss the ball up and one of them almost got intercepted. He should have thrown it. So there are different reasons why. But I'm just gonna wait and see when it's got the full compliment in there. And you hope that they are the full compliment in there.

I think we're all on the same page. Yes, wait until the regular season. That's something that I think a lot of people have a tough time doing, a lot of fans out there because it was so frustrating in twenty twenty. It happened all the time. It was slow starts or offensive red zone struggles. I mean, those were two things that were knocks against Calamore and then you get out in the first two preseason games and it's the same story. And so it is for us rating

and one percent get it. But you're right the offensive line and we're gonna talk about them here coming up here in a second. But having them back out there, having Zeke as a part of that weaponry on the offense, having all three wide receivers at the same time out on the field, we haven't seen that in the preseason game yet. I mean, having your quarterback. There's a lot of things that you are going to have in the regular season that you don't have in the preseason, including

a full playbook. So regardless of the talent that's out there, your playbook goes from being this big to that big once the preseason comes around because of what you want to show to other teams and what you're gonna put out on film. But I mentioned the offensive line and hackm I'll start with you on this one. But it

looked really good. I mean as a starting five, the guys that you are excited to have that return with man, they look the part throughout and I want to get your excitement level on having those guys back into the mix. Anytime you have number seventy seven on the field, you better be excited because he's the best in the business. So seeing him healthy, I mean and seeing him just completely eliminate people in practice is promising for me. Zack Martin is just a savage. I mean, he's Zack Martin.

You know what he's gonna do. He's done at time and time again be Hodish. There's obviously some confidence in Beyonnish if they're not getting him reps in the second preseason game and running Connor out there, So that to me, I just want to say, all right, obviously the coaching staff feels confident in him. Connor is making hey man, Connor's he's bringing it back. I mean he's you're seeing

fighting with Aaron Donald things like. I like where Connor is going toughness, But I don't want to see him at at center at all ever, zest nightmare. I don't want to see that. So I'm liking. I'm liking what I'm seeing from an offensive line perspective, but not seeing Zeke run behind that offensive line yet is giving me

the bigger questions. Like I said, with Lao Collins, I've been watching him a lot because he was the one guy that had the biggest question marks on and it was in the Arizona game I did he was trying to reach block xaving Collins. Zaving Collins by the way, and he got you was high up owner, He's the real deal. But he was trying to reach block Xavien. He couldn't get there. They're guys right in front of him. Yesterday we were talking in the press box h and

talking to Derek. There guys just right in front of ELC that are beating him. And these are just things that we are not used to seeing from him because he's such a dominant guy at the right tackle. So all in all, I'm really pleased with what I'm seeing. I just feel as though these next couple of preseason games, getting Layout Collins, just that confidence behind him, I think that's gonna be the thing that's gonna be important for

the offensive line. Yeah. I feel good about our starting line, our starting line, but the guys that had to step up last year in terms of Night, in terms of Steel, I feel like they've taken a massive step backwards. In terms of absolutely even Steel, because I like Steel is definitely taking a step forward. I would agree with you on night. I haven't from what necessarily been, You've seen more than I've seen practice wise, But for the practices that I've seen in some of the games, I feel

like he's taking a step back. And it's almost as if they had the confidence last year because they had to be the necessity. As a necessity, so I have to step up and be the guy. So you start getting some of your old your old confidence back, right, like I'm that dude again. But then again, now that the the real guys are back, it's like, oh, let me fall back to who I was before and play my role because I'm seeing guys blow by both of these guys, and I'm like, where are the two guys

from last year? You know, I'm not saying they were dominant last year, but they they came in and did a pretty dog on a good job last year. Like where are those guys? Yeah, I think I'm with Isaiah, Like the starting offensive line when they're full strength, you feel pretty good about it. You have to be honest,

is the X factor? Can he be? You know that Travis Frederick guy where you know he's setting he's the quarterback up there pre snap and you know it is interesting the lack of reps that he's had in the preseason games. You know, I'm a little surprised at that, But Dak hasn't been in there either, so I don't know. Mike was asked that question yesterday and he said, well, he's taken like ninety eight percent of the practice reps with the one so you have to trust your practice

schedule and all that. So yeah, I mean, I think from the starting line, there's some good things that you feel good about. I'm not sure about the center backup position. I'm kind of with Kyle. I think if you're looking at the swing tackle candidate, it's not counting Zack Martin,

who can slide over there. I think Terrence Steele might be the best one that we've seen since ox Nart started, But Tina Sek he's taken more of the snaps on the left side, so it kind of lends you to think he's still the leader in the clubhouse to win that job. Do you think a part of the step back that you're seeing Isaiah from Terrence Steele Because whenever, like you said, when you're the last man standing, what is your mindset? It's like it's like just throwing everything

at it. I mean, you're going balls to the wall, like you said, just kind of going full blown. What No, man, You're right, I mean you're you're you're fighting for your life, especially as an undrafted free agent. Now you get to kind of learn a little bit, You get to test some things out, and you get to kind of listen and learn and react and do different things along the way. Do you think that could maybe play into the factor that he hasn't had maybe some of the better practices.

Because you're saying this, and Rob and I are looking at it saying, wow, tarn Steele actually looks better than guys like Ti and Zeki and Josh Ball went he was. If you're comparing them to those guys, I'm not comparing them to those I'm comparing them to what how their performance last year in the actual regular season. And I just feel as if some of the things that I'm seeing, and even in just in practice alone, they're getting they're getting blown by. Now. I don't know the reason for it.

I don't know what their calls are. I don't know if the guys next to him are missing there as signmas. There's a whole lot of things. They don't have a blueback hall. Yeah there's no blow by, right, but there's no But it seems right without on it with the information that I have in terms of they're they're uh, what their what their roles are in their assignments are. They're not getting it done from what I've seen, and

I would expect them to have. You expect anybody, all your roster to make us a leap in in a proper direction. And I just feel as if they just have pulled that lever back and I don't. I don't. Again, there's a whole lot of reasons why it might be. It might be because they're intimidated. It might be because maybe their coaches are getting on a little bit more. Maybe it's to be the backup quarterback situation and what's going on there. I don't know. There's a whole lot

of what ifs. But I'm just not seeing I was expecting them to come out and be kind of stowick up front, and I'm just they're seeing that. I'm seeing their numbers turned sideways a lot. I'm still thinking about Harry Winkler, Kellen Moore. I will say yesterday's yesterday's practice was a win for the pass rush man. Yeah, they were all over. I mean even even Tyring Dorance Armstrong DA got around him more than one twice, definitely at least two times. We can't we can't do this without

giving your boy a shout out. Now, he made a bad he made a good bad play. But Bradley and I showed up last week. Yes, he showed up last week and I was disappointed. He got excited because he made a heck of a move, went up field, spent back, came up and he had but a dude, he can't do that. But he was excited. He was like, well I did free free and he made another good play later on to make up for it. But he showed up now, and we haven't heard much about them, Louie

alligator arms. He's been he's been getting showed a quarterback. We talked a lot about that last year. We did we did, but that was that was written in an article. Yeah, I was about to say, so you you're you're He heard you in the off season. I'm pretty sure he heard you. Well, he's heard me cheering for him all the way through the coaching staff, of me asking straight camera on camera, please get him. I was. I was excited for him. I was really excited. I've been excited too.

I've kind of come to the terms that he may be the odd man out. Um, I think yesterday. This isn't my my sheet from yesterday, but I did a like what I would do or what excuse me, what I think the coaching staff would do, cut wise, and I think he was on that chopping block. So I don't know. I liked what I saw from him. I still think he's got a little bit of a ways to go, and maybe he's a developmental guy to continue to be. And you talked about yesterday's yesterday's practice man

the defense and defensive line, Dorance Armstrong. You tweeted about dorn So Armstrong, he putting together that solid preseason game and his practices. I know this may be a contract year for him. Yep. But man, Darran says, I mean he looks big, Yeah, he looks good, and special teams loves him, especial teams coach loves him. Yeah. So I'm just saying just from what I've seen from ninety two, man, he's looking good. There's a battlegrounds coming out, Oh, Dallas

Cowboys Dot com about Doran story. I'm strong how about that? Yeah, it's coming out. I think Nick said it will probably be up around lunchtime. So Malik Hooker showed up yesterday in practice. He did He's looking good. How outside of the pick? How did he look? Because everybody saw the pick. He was a pick six, he was on a tip ball, and he looks his footwork looks good. I know a lot of and a lot of people are looking at him in his previous injury. To me, he looks good.

I was sitting up there with Barry Church yesterday and we both were seen the same thing. He looks fluent right now. And obviously the pick was a heck of a tip ball. He just had to catch it and go with it. But um, yeah, Nayan Nayan, if nay Shan just just put his hands on somebody just he did better last game. He did better last game. But e Honda, I need the e Honda to come out. I don't know if should we give him like the

Street Fighter game? We probably should. Can we go talk to talk to somebody about that younger than I am, He probably doesn't know, but if he gets can we dawesome? All right? Can we at least dwesome just just throw it out there, hit him in the chest and forgot about him too. How do you do this? Like when do you walk? I'm excited about him. He has a lot of potential and I hate that word, but if he just gets physical, he will be everything that dan

Quinn wants him to be. No, he's and and to going back to Malik Hooker, I even when you were talking about Kay's in the in the Arizona game, he came up and filled in a Harry and you saw that he met like it was like whoa we had seen that. Look at the safety. There was no thought process. No, he came up and he filled it, you know. And so if that's what we're looking for, especially in dan Quinn's defense, having safeties that you know, are aggressive and

can read and react sideline the sideline. Malie Hooker, I think just from his man from his you know, his time in the league. You know that that's his staple, that's what he does. The dB room is an interesting conversation and we're gonna have that coming up on Thursday. I think that's gonna start our show. We're gonna talk about some dbs barring any crazy news between now and Thursday, we're gonna have a dB conversation. Look forward to it.

Probably ten guys gonna stick around, maybe eleven if you wanted to stretch it, but most likely it's probably gonna be ten. And oh, there's tough decisions on the line coming up and we're gonna talk about it on Talking Cowboys. But that's gonna do it for this edition. Want to think everybody, Yeah back, I say it with your chest every single time for Chris Beams today, Heck Harrison, Isaiah Stanback, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We'll see you on Thursday

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