Talkin' Cowboys: Cap Considerations

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successful going in to twenty twenty one. I'm your host Kyle Yeoman's alongside Rob Phillips, heck My Harrison. We've got our guy, Isaiah stand back, resident super Bowl champion as always down in the bottom left hand corner. Guys, how are we doing this week? Rob? You able to stay warm throughout the last week? I missed you guys on last Monday. Yeah, we missed you too, Kyle. What was the temperature yesterday? Seventy two? So for people that don't live in Texas, like, this is what we deal with.

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Let's talk some Cowboys here over the next hour. And I mean, the biggest storylines this offseason are what quarterback play right, contracts, garterbacks, salary caps, and rob There was news the other day from the NFL that the salary cap in twenty twenty one has the new floor. We expected this. Teams on a Thursday memo said that the salary cap floor has been increased from one seventy five

to one eighty following talks with the nfl PA. So one eighty is higher salary cap than we really anticipated. We thought it might have a chance to stay the same or go down, as Cowboys fans, but this is a great sign for the Cowboys who aren't necessarily in the best place. Cowboys. Yeah, it's a little little extra change in the Cowboys cushions. You know, you reach down, you find a little extra five million. That's good. They need every bit that they can because we know that

you talked about it, Kyle. The top priorities around the league and in Dallas, our quarterback here, it's Dak Dak. There's not a whole lot of news right now. Everybody wanting to know if and when this deal is gonna get done. And obviously an extra five million helps if nothing else, you can slot it to help pay for your draft class when you have to sign those draft picks. So there's a lot the Cowboys need to work out in the co weeks. What's interesting is, you know, the

NFL doesn't really have official dates, official official dates. We know the NFL drafts at the end of April, but everything that you know, I think teams are working off of is a you know, tag window that starts tomorrow, goes through March ninth, and then you got free agency about a week later. And in that time, you know

the Cowboys guy that find ways to create room. So the raise cap floor is good, it might go higher if the league decides to try to you know, kick the can down the road and eat a little bit of that salary cap space in future years when hopefully we're out of this pandemic. So maybe there's a little extra room the Cowboys will have to maneuver, not only to slot Dak either on the tag or on ideal Plus give you some wiggle room in free agency because we all know they've got a lot of needs coming

up here. He whenever you look at this salary cap and you look at kind of the situation that's at hand in the NFL, it's positive that it went up. But at the same time, does it give you any pause as to how the Cowboys would have to handle the cap issue because of Dak Prescott, because of the way these other teams, I don't know. I look around the league and I see all these other organizations finding ways to maneuver cap money, and I feel like the

Cowboys haven't necessarily done that. Are you? Are you still hesitant on the Cowboys signing Dak Prescott to that long term deal, and especially with the salary cap not going up as much as it normally would. Well, I like what Rob said, kicking the can down the road, and that's what we've been doing with our salary cap for a little while now. It's kicking the can down the road. But all of these things have come to ahead, Kyle, and we have to make a decision on what we're

gonna do. And you know, the extra five million dollars for the cap from seventy five to eighty is good, but you're looking at a cap that's generally I think the twenty twenty was one ninety eight, So that's still eighteen million dollars in cap that you've had to sacrifice because of COVID nineteen and no one's going to cry for us because of that, but boy, we sure could

use that extra eighteen million dollars right now. And maybe that was something that they were banking on, But you know, when it comes down to do I have pause with everything that's going on with the franchise and Dak is it's yeah, is the answer. And you know, I think that when you when you say kicking the can down the road. We've restructured a lot of contracts and we can still do that. But it's not impossible to get the Dak Prescott deal done. But it's going to do.

It's going to stress the hell out of your cap and it's not going to give you a lot of room to get other things that you need. And when you talk about need verse one with the Dallas Cowboys right now, we have some bigger issues at foot with our organization and that's bad contracts and you know, an aging offensive line and injuries to guys that we may not even see anymore and the Dallas Cowboy uniform. So the priority right now, you can say, would be to

sign Dag. But again, when you look at your cap and you look at the future, kicking the can down the road, you may have to start making some bigger decisions for down the road, Isn't that what's frustrating the most about this situation, though, is that you had so many opportunities and you still haven't figured it out. Like That's what's frustrating to me. It's the fact that you've kicked the can down the road and now you've run out of road. It seems like, I mean, you really

have run out of road to kick it down. Now you're gonna have to turn around and go to the other direction. And I hate that as a fan of the Cowboys and as somebody who's been around the organization now, it's really a frustrating from a fan standpoint whenever you have a quarterback like that, you have these contract issues, And I'm sure it's frustrating from a players standpoint too, Isaiah. I know you played in the league, You've had contract negotiations more so than any of the rest of us have.

But is this frustrating. Is this insulting from a player's perspective? I know this is something we've probably hit already, but I feel like it just continues to be so as we get closer and closer than this deadline. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, obviously the injury to Deck did not help the situation at all. M complicated things substantially. So obviously, now you got the curveball, are you going to be healthy? When are you going to be healthy? Are you going

to be the same player that you were? All? Right? Do we have to put that in a contract so that you have to prove it to us? Or are we just gonna give you the benefit of the doubt because you've been so good to us, you know, in the past. So there's so many things now that are convoluted um. They we're gonna have to see. But I'm interested and I'm curious to see um as to how good our general manager skills are. Now, this is when you find out exactly how great of a manager um

you have within your organization. And because you have to get so creative, because you have to figure out, Okay, we have a new coach in, we have a general manager who's been there since since since birth, and now with a figure out. Okay, what's our vision for our for our team? What's the vision for this organization? Do we want to win right now? Do we want to are we trying to win championships right now? Or are we trying to set up our team for the future.

So you got those two those two organizational hands that are coming to coming to one and they have to figure things out. And obviously the deck situation is the most highlighted thing of them all. But there's like, as you guys already alluded to, there's so many gaps, there's so many things that need to be addressed. And you know, obviously, be eighteen million dollars short doesn't help you, but it's a lot better to be in twenty three million dollars short.

So we'll see, we'll see what happens. Man. I'm excited to see the maneuvers they're making because you see how aggressive some of these other organizations are being. Um, let's see what our what our organizations made of. And you know I do too, and it is it is like, this is the biggest offseason for the Cowboys I can remember since I've been covering the team because it is. It's like a crossroads. It's like what's your future going to be and what's your outlook for your team? And

Heck mentioned creating room and getting creative. They can do that. They can, you know they can. They can slot for this tag. It's it's not pretty. It's a monster number thirty seven point seven million if they have to do it. And I think it's a distinct possibility that they're going to have to do it in fifteen days or sixteen days to buy more time, unless less they can figure something out in two weeks. I mean, they haven't done it in two years, two plus years. I think they

would probably have to tag him again. And I think, you know that can be done. They don't want to do that. I'm sure they don't want to do that because, look, you want to have some flexibility in free agency. A week later, but but Heck mentioned the restructures, and there's a lot of speculation on what they'll do to create space. That's the most logical thing. Look, they restructure Tyrann Smith, Zach Martin, DeMarcus Lawrence last year and took all of

that space and saved it for this year. I think NFLPA said They've got the third most unused cap room carried over into this year twenty five million or so. So that's that's good, and they can restructure more deals. They've been doing this pretty much as long as I've been there covering the team, and they do they just you just kind of you can do this forever. Really, you can kick this down the road. The problem is when it comes to the back end of those deals.

If if a guy doesn't reach the end of his deal or is not playing to the level of his deal, then you've got a lot of dead money at the end. If you think about twenty eighteen, I think it was a year after they released Tony Romo, he counted nine million on their cap. Travis Frederick retires in twenty twenty, and it's like an eleven million dollar cap hit spread over two years. So that's you know, you gotta you

gotta think about the back end of those things. But other than cutting players, I don't know what else you do to create space and still keep kind of the cord your roster together and try to go win football games with Dak Prescott as your quarterback. Hey, Ron, go ahead, now, I was gonna say the other the curveball here, right, and obviously we addressed it last year. Was you know they're now also managing Dax Dax emotions, right, what are

Dax emotions? If he gets tagged? Understand, we all get it. Sometimes you have to tag to buy more time. But if I'm DAK, I probably have I'm probably having my foot in the ground. As like, hey, if y'all tag me, uncle Drew alluded to the other day, if you tag me, just no, I'm not I'm not coming back. Do you just know that you know what I'm saying. Just just just

know it can as disrespect. You guys have had two years of work on his d you know, say, I've proven to you guys what my worth to this organization. I've shown you guys, obviously through unfortunate the circumstances that when I get injured, what happens to the organization, what happens to the team. Right, So if you guys tag me again, just no, just know what's gonna happen on the back end, right, So they have to manage that as well, And that's something that's not being address obviously.

Everybody's just talking about how oh you know they'll have this much time to figure it out. Dak might not want to figure it out. Dak might be on a two week on a two week count down. I'm saying, y'all got y'all have two weeks to figure this sting out.

I'm with you in terms of, uh, you know, if if it's still the mid July deadline, that's still the count of the NFL working off of and there's no deal in place by then, I mean, yeah, you can't imagine he'll be back in twenty twenty two because it's a fifty four million dollars franchise tag or something like that next year for Dak and and that's not gonna happen. No, I mean, you can't fit that, so he would be ready to hit the market. And I agree there's there's um,

there's pride, and there's feelings involved. Guys want long term security and understandably so. UM, But I I still think they all want to get it done. I believe that. I just don't know, Um, I don't know how you Maybe they can get it done by March ninth, but something's got to give here both sides to try to work this out for the Cowboys to get some relief, to try to build a team in the free agency for Dak to get that security. Um, it's man, it's time,

it's time to get working on it. Noah, I loved Rob when you said we're at a crossroads, and it just gave me that visual of us in the car said sitting at a crossroads and which way do we go? Because if you look at it on the cow for the organization, the price for being mediocre is just getting expensive.

And that's that it just continues to build on. You look at the bad contracts that we've we've we have and there are a few of them that you can go to where these guys are once they signed their deal, their production depreciated, and we have these bad deals on the book books. And yes, you can look back two years ago where we should have gotten Dak's deal done and it's been very costly not getting Dak's deal done.

But Isaiah, I don't know if if the organization would even care, if you know, if they have to give him another tag, if he's if this is gonna be contentious, and he's already like, look I'm out of here. If you do that, then I think that the organization does that knowing full damn well that he's gonna walk in twenty twenty two. So, I mean, the art of the deal and the song and dance is very fragile right

now with the organization and his representatives. But I am hoping that they can find a way to get this deal done and if it's gonna be something for the long haul, especially if you look at not having an offensive line or anything like that, look at how bad it's gonna be if you don't have that quarterback to build around for the future. I think that Dak is the future of the franchise. But again, if the if the organization doesn't see it the same, then who the

hell am I I mean? Because I think he's good enough to sign right now. Are are we worried? And I'm not even talking about the Cowboys when I say we, I never would say we whenever it comes to the Cowboys, because I don't wear a jersey. But are we as a group or as a fan base, are we worried about Dak Prescott's ankle? Because are we worried about the injury at all? Because if we're worried about it at all,

what are the Cowboys feeling? What is the front office feeling, because that's one of my things is it's been so quiet. That's what's weird to me. It's it's been definitely silent and you haven't heard a single thing about either side of the negotiations. So is that a good sign or is that a bad sign? As nothing's getting done or something's about to get done, because Rob, I mean it's giving to the point, like you said, we're getting down

to this deadline. It's a time clock. I mean, time is ticking whenever we get to this moment, and then what happens whenever it reaches zero? Yeah, I mean I'll throw in one thing there too, is that we don't we mentioned the floor for the salary cap. We don't know the salary cap level yet, and we may not

know it till after March nineth. So that's the problem here is it's it's this weird offseason with the dates and this crazy cap with the pandemic, and so there's just a lot of when you talk about a deal with this magnitude, you need to know everything that you're dealing with, and I don't think the Cowboys know everything they're dealing with yet. Yeah. The ankle too, I mean that that is another layer. You know, we've referenced that on past shows where it's a serious injury. Everything we've

heard he's gonna make a full recovery. The Cowboys aren't concerned about it. But that is another part of the negotiations that I don't know that we know everything involved in it because we really haven't. There hasn't been, like you said, Kyl, hasn't been a lot of public discussion since this nothing really since the season ended on any subject. So there's a lot of a lot of speculation, a lot of sources. All I know is I still feel

like both sides would like to get this done. I just personally don't have as much confidence as I did last year because I've maybe I was naive last year because I feel like every time the Cowboys want one of these deals done, they get it done, and this hasn't for whatever reason. I think you can talk about both sides for you know, reasons for that um But now,

like you said, the clock's ticking. So until it gets done, I don't think you can say with confidence that that it that it will be, and that that this is going to be a long term deal. Heck, oh, it's just it just sucks to continue to do this. You know, this is the second offseason we haven't gotten yeah, third we haven't gotten this done. And it becomes the same argument, what is the organization looking to see to feel confident

in getting the deal done? And there's so many people that's going to comment and say, oh, that's not worth the money. And then you know, well, who else do you have? Do you think that you could just go into the draft and pick anybody that could come into this organization and lead you to the playoffs in the super Bowl, Because this is a right now sort of situation for every team in the NFL. Everybody. This is

a right now business. And if we're saying that, look we can just go outside and get anybody to be the quarterback here, I think you're delusional. Dak Prescott if he's not the top five. And yeah, there are a few guys you say their name, Pat mahomes all, the guy Aaron Rodgers on down, but he's not far down on that list. If there are going to be a lot of guys that get contracts that are going to be the highest player quarterback in the league that don't that are not on the same level as some of

those guys. So we can't keep moving the goalpost in this conversation about Dak because anytime you have a conversation with somebody about Dak Prescott's contract, you sound dumb and they sound dumb because no one agrees with the cap. No one agrees with the cap, and no one agrees with the talent. There's the difference on each level. But the question is what do you do if you don't

sign him? Well, we sound dumb all the time. So we're gonna continue talking about talking about Dak Prescott because you brought up the draft and we've been talking about this crossroads through the first segment. The draft is really where that crossroad stands for me. I think that is the drop dead date of this whole deal with the franchise tag and everything that's been a part of it. And we've talked about this previously on a couple of

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and I cannot wait for that day. Heckman got ahead of us and snag some before before we followed the rules, and so I'm jealous of the fact I wish we would have followed the rules, or would not have followed the rules. You got you're funny. Let's let's talk about those crossroads, gentlemen, because I'm gonna put you guys in this in the shoes of a front office, yes, personnel of the Cowboys front office, because I think we need to look ahead into the future and see what's going

to happen. Use those slur lenz is to look ahead into the future because there's a lot going on whenever it comes to the draft. April twenty ninth is the draft. We're less than sixty days away at this point. And even though the franchise tag deadline is March ninth, I think the draft is the drop dead date for the Dak Prescott contract negotiations because you can tag Dak Prescott

before March ninth, which I think will happen. I think most of us think that will happen, and then after March ninth, you can still negotiate that contract up until the middle of June. So I think there's going to be a tag there, and whether or not there's a long term deal done, it needs to get done before the draft. And so we had a mail bad question this week, Rob that was talking about no Dak Prescott long term deal. If there's a quarterback available at the

tenth overall pick, would you take a quarterback there? And what would you do from that point forward? So this is the crossroads. You're looking at a rebuilding of a future or you're trying to to center your future around Dak Prescott. Which one would it be, Robin, Which one do you think would be more successful. That is a juicy hypothetical, Kyle, I did you mean noodle of June or middle of July to get the July excuse me, Yeah, the drop dead date, get tagger or a long term deal.

Usually yes, if they keep the same schedule, the league does what they always do. I it was the mail back question, and I answered, yes, stick with Dak Prescott and don't worry about drafting the quarterback because I'm with you in that. You know, you'd like to know what the deal is by the draft because you have a top ten pick, and it's hard to get a top ten pick. You know, you got to be pretty bad

to be in that position. But the thing the thing with me is you've invested all this time, and and if you if there's still hope, if there's still optimism that you know, okay, it's not done by the draft, but we think we could still get there in two months. Then I'm not drafting somebody to potentially potentially sit for five years, four years on his rookie contract as the backup quarterback behind Dak Prescott. I'm just not ready to

do something like that. And sure that could blow up in my face, but I would still be operating under the premise that we could still have Dak as our franchise quarterback. So you're sticking with Dak no matter what, even if there's not a long term deal, and it could really put you in a situation that I know you said you would sit for a year, but isn't that ideal with a rookie quarterback that may not be ready yet aka Trey Lance North Dakota State quarterback or

Mac Jones out of Alabama. Well, I'm ease that was part of that was part of the hypothetical, that was probably hypothetical. Yeah, okay, okay, because that change your answer a little bit. Dak Prescott, are you saying that's high or low? Mack mom, I'm curious as to where you think that would be as No. Look, all of this is giving me the willies anyway. So I'm just saying that, you know, what we cannot do as an organization is

reach on a player. And when you talk about a historically awful defense and we're talking about taking a quarterback at ten, I don't look, no matter where we go with the Dak Prescott contract, what we can't do is reach on a player at ten and we can't reach on mac Jones, all respect to him, great quarterback, but not do that. Huh. Ten is too high in your mind? Absolutely absolutely, If you're in that position, you know you should start thinking about trading draft capital if that's what

that's on your mind. Okay, good, I'm glad you think that. I thought you were saying he wasn't going to fall to ten, and I was like, there's no way he's not there at ten. Ten would be reaching, I think a read. I completely agree. I think Tim would be reaching on mac Jones, and reaching on a player is where I would lean on this answer too. But I want to hear Isaiah's thought process first. All right, So

I'm either staying with that. I'm definitely a drafted a quarterback that's just not the round to go, So I'm staying with that, or I'm gonna I'm gonna have some kind of crazy, blockbuster, your Matthew Stafford type type type tree that gives me a Russell Wilson or something Aboudy somebody like that. That's the only thing that's even a foreseeable and that's that's a super stretch since we're doing uh, you know, just a craziness today. So yeah, I'm staying

I'm staying with that, or I'm doing a crazy blockbuster trade. Okay, how about I give you guys a crazy blockbuster trade.

I'll see what you think. Here. The Miami Dolphins, who currently hold the number three overall pick, the number eighteen overall pick, and they have a two a Tonga Vloa at quarterback that they don't necessarily need any or if they're gonna trade for Dak Prescott, what if they gave you all three of those for the tenth overall pick and Dak Prescott, or they give you all three of those, Let's do all three of those four Dak Prescott alone. So then you have three ten and eighteen and two

of What would you do? No in Miami, man, I'm not doing that in Miami. I would have to do something. No, I would have to do something where I'm giving up, you know, my number ten pick and Zeke to get rust in here. That would be the only thing that I could even see. I can't see anybody else that I would want to go grab. Isaiah wants a sure thing. Yeah, you get if you're gonna do If you're gonna do that, you have to get the sure thing right. Like, it's

not even a question. It's no different than Tampa. Right. Tampa was like, hey, screw it, we're gonna get T twelve because we know what position he puts us in. So if you pull a move like that, you better. That's why why do you think that La did what they did? They know Matthi Staffords a dog. They're like, hey, we'll do this. It's gonna make us look crazy, but we know we're getting a dog. You know what I'm saying. So you just if you pull that move you have

to have it's if a show right home. Yeah, and it made him look crazy for a week. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not interested in trading to rebuild. You're trading for concrete. You're you're trading for somebody that you think is going to be the dude. Is Russell Wilson the dude? Are you? Like? Are you sold on Russell Wilson? Yeah? I'm not. I'm not sold on him at all. You're not You're not sold on Russell Wilson. That's interesting in this offensive line. Though it's too short, I still think

he's short. What ya a look at the past? Look at look at the look at the positions he puts his in. Oh my goodness, look he's it's not a troll job. I think Russell Wilson's a great right goodness. I'm just saying. I'm saying, I don't let me. Let me help you out with this quarterback thing. Okay, this is a myth that obviously being in the training world now and obviously being a quarterback my entire levee, let me just just me, just go ahead and squash this.

Quarterbacks don't look over lineman. You look through through throwing lanes. So this whole height thing is such a myth and it gets way too much weight put on it. So all my short quarterbacks out there, keep balling, keep killing it because you look through lanes. You don't look over lineman. I'm sixty three. I was not looking over my six five six sixth linemen. I wasn't doing it. It It didn't matter if I was five. Tendn matter about sixty three. Listen,

you throw through lanes. So if you guys there got those figure out that footwork, be quick, that being quick and being fast is more important to being tall. Trust me, yeah, I would agree that you know what to do. Kyle Collins start an argument. He's a professional arguer, so that's what he just did. And he know that Isaiah was gonna fall for the bait, and he couldn't help himself.

But eighty six, let's come back. Let's come back a little bit, because he don't even believe He don't believe that either, right, he don't believe that when you when you talking about the Miami Dolphins scenario, and I'm with Isaiah on this, you know, I'm gonna go for this er thing if we're gonna make if we're gonna trade away draft capital, or we're gonna take on anything else, especially like to and still put ourselves in a situation in the next three years to have to renegotiate his contract.

I don't want to go that route either, with a very similar thing that you just yeah, And that's that's the kick in the can down the road sort of deal. And especially when you talk about what we need to do defensively. Now, the ideal is signed back and the rest it gives you a survey of the land on which way you need to go. But the Cowboys are in a position at ten to where they can move back.

If let's say Seoul is gone, if the offensive line before Virginia Tech is gone, if the cornerback from Virginia Tech and Alabama are both gone, then let's not reach on a player, all right. If we can go back get a bar More or get a linebacker or get someone like that, then let's do that. And then especially when it comes down to offensive tack or defensive line.

You know, look, anytime you can get a big ten, anytime you can get a big ten offensive lineman, they're gonna be a several of those guys in the second, third, and fourth round. There's going to be opportunities, and even for a quarterback in the later rounds, right, Kyle Trash, You know, I'm high on that guy. But you can go in and you can still develop guys. I don't understand how Dak Prescott is being penalized by being everything

that you want from a fourth round draft pick. You develop him, he turns out to be a player, and this is what you get. You have to sign to do, and we're reluctant to do that. And we're talking about two of like nah noh, Kyle's Kyle's throwing it out there. But going back, going back, that's just we're just throwing stuff out there. Going going back to the original hypothetical, Kyle, why do you feel like so if you if it's not done by the draft, you're not done by the draft,

you would draft quarterback at ten. It's basically what you're saying. I would highly if if if a guy's available that you like and you would have to have, you would have to have somebody that you like there, or trade up and go get somebody if you wanted to go, maybe get Ajton Fields or Zach Wilson. I don't know how much draft capital you'd have to give to give up there, and I don't know if the Cowboys would be willing to do that. I think that would be a waste of draft capital. So I don't want to

trade up. But if somebody falls and you like him a lot, like a Trey Lance, I think Trey Lance would probably be the more likely of the quarterbacks to fall and for the Cowboys to like him, because he's really similar in play style to what Dak Kreshcott brings to the table. But I just don't I'm with Hecma

and what he said. It makes my gut turn knowing how bad this defense is and thinking, oh my gosh, we're gonna have to try and maybe draft a quarterback because that just makes me sick in the point of having to use a tenth overall pick where you could get a starter opposite of Trey Von Diggs. You did get a starter somewhere else, and you make your better and you're worried about this the only way you've invested

too much onto your offense. Look offense. So that's the last position that you can have being a question that has to be a solid freaking exclamation point, you know what I'm saying, Like that has to be either you sign that or like I said, you pull something off that nobody else in a world that right, you bring somebody in who's up a show right on, because that's all you can do now you get you turn your your attention towards defense, or you solidify that offensive line.

That is the only moves that should be made on offense. Old line, that's it, you know what I'm saying. Other than that is defense. Yeah, and even even old line to me, for me personally, it's like he's got to be ceedee lamb, he's got to be the best guy on my board way better than any defensive prospect that can step in and help me right away, because because they need an infusion of talent on defense in my opinion.

But absolutely, I just feel like with the quarterback thing, the only way you consider drafting quarterback that high for me is if by the draft, like Isaiah reference in the first segment, if there's emotions involved and there is a sense that it's just not going to happen with d then then maybe you have to pivot. But unlesson if that's not the case and they're just not it's not done yet, and again maybe it won't ever get done. Then I'm still trying to build around Dak Prescott and

hope that I can figure figure something out. Yeah, Pete, let me ask you this. You haven't I know you y'all haven't forgot how bad our defense was last year, right, I've not forgotten that. Okay, I watched the film. I watched the film, and we were bad of d last year. So even all of this talk of offensive line and

I'm with new His Struggs. Man new He Struggs is the guy that said, I mean, he's hanging on this whole argument because man, you defensively, and historically we have not been a team that has drafted safeties, and we've had opportunities and free agency and all that, we still didn't get a safety last year. Bad safety play cost us.

But we can also go to the front of our defense and say, man, up front, seven was pretty weak as well, and so if we had any guys that could create or manufacture any pressure on the quarterbacks, maybe that wouldn't have been as blaring of a need. But doesn't matter. Man, if you look at the NFL, you're going to have to have a safety, especially in Dan

Quinn's defense where he's playing safety high. So look, I trust I think Dunver Wilson will be fine at the strong safety spot, but who will we have back there facilitating as a midfielder. That free safety is a huge question mark, and the Cowboys having drafted one in the first two rounds since what two thousand and two, Rob, Is that right? Two thousand and two is the last time they drafted a free safety or a safety and Roy the first couple rounds and it was Roy Williams. Yeah,

it just hasn't best. It has not been a priority for them, you know, Thomas, But like, how old were you? Kyle was six years old last time. Oh my god, drafted a safety six years old. Dang it, you're still yeah what you what you that? Doug? I could have baby set you man. Don't you ever? Don't you ever? You baby sit me on the show. Anyways. It's fine, But that's another thing. I mean, whenever, what's your birth? What's your birth? Here? Mighty what? And there's no recorection

of Michael Jordans. That's that's That's what I always go to, is I never saw mic play. Yeah. Yeah, even with even with all of the jokes and everything, aside the fact that the Cowboys could take a safety in the first or second round, it's not gonna happen at the first. It's not gonna happen in ten. I'll tell you that right now. This draft class is not strong enough to have a safety ticket ten. But at forty four, I think it's a realistic converce, a realistic conversation depending on

who's there. Because there is the Richie Grants, there is the treyvon Mo Riggs, there's the James Wiggins. I mean, there's a lot of guys there that could be at forty four that the Cowboys could take a safety so we may see it for the first time. How likely is that going to be and how highly does this front office in the scouting department think these safeties are going to be held to. I don't know like that, it's it's a huge question mark of I don't know

what it is. It continues with the quarterback, but it continues with the safety position and where they value that heck fund. But let me ask you this though, pe Now now that like last year in twenty twenty, the practice squad players increased, Now in twenty twenty one, is that going to be the same thing or where they have to go back to the regular account we're practice

squad players because teams were hoarding their practice squad guys. Yeah, that's that is a great question, because I think it was it was like an addendum they made to the new CBA because of the pandemic. I don't I don't know if that carries into twenty twenty one with a with a larger practice squad. Maybe that might be something they got to figure out at the spring meetings with the Competition Committee and all that stuff, or past rule

changes and all that kind of thing. Now that and the reason I bring that up is obviously in free agency as well and picking players. This is gonna be a huge offseason for Will McClay and his staff to be able to calm through those guys. Because we didn't have a preseason last year, and because teams were able to hoard their guys and keep their talent you know, still on their roster. Will we be able to pick potentially, you know, good guys at the safety position, d line,

what have you. But I think that's going to be important as well. I hate even having this conversation because it's scary because there's so many different spots that the Cowboys could potentially get to. Now. Last year, in the offseason, the Cowboys had an opportunity to pick up some free agents before the draft and kind of set their board a little bit to where they could go best player

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said on not in weeks. It's been two weeks, Bro, that's been two weeks, man, he said, the symphony on my face. That's why I got the on from I showed you up. Okay, my bad in the face, O, my bad. No, you're good. We love it. Uh. We've got about ten minutes left here and show about fifteen minutes left and show. We started a little late, so we'll go a little bit longer as well. But Rob, whenever it comes to the Cowboys in this crossroads. And we've talked a lot about the draft, We've talked about

the salary cap. But now it kind of comes to the fact that, well, the Cowboys have to do some some shifting, some moving. They're gonna have to to have some guys that maybe salary cap cuts. They may be something in terms of and ease. What do you expect the Cowboys and when do you expect the Cowboys to start shifting this roster around, because there are a lot of different things that are going to have to go

into the next couple of weeks. Well, yeah, I mean I mentioned the option to restructure certain guys and that's been you know, you could read about it, and it's been speculated a lot recently. There's you know, I mentioned Tyrone, Zach and Marcus. You could restructure their deals again, Amari Cooper, There's there's ways you can create millions and millions of

salary cap space. And what you're doing is you're you're taking a big base salary and you're dropping it way down and taking that extra money and converting it too signing bonus that goes on the back end. It's the whole kick the can down the road thing and they do that all the time. Teams do that all the time. So I think they can probably do a lot of that and not have to do a bunch of salary cap casualties like you mentioned, Kyle. No people have speculated

maybe Jalen Smith. They don't. I don't think they have to do that. It could be an option. Um, But to me, when you're looking at all of their needs, I would I would rather uh, knowing that you're you're you're thin on salary cap space, knowing you only have a certain amount of draft picks. How about Dan Quinn comes in and figures out the best way to use Jalen Smith. I mean, that's that's kind of where I'm at with that. Um. But yeah, they've they've got to

figure some stuff out. They will in terms of creating space, and UM, what I'm interested to see, guys is how I'm fascinated to see how this this free agency period works around the league. How many guys are going to

take a bunch of one year deals. You know, is that going to be the thing guys betting on themselves and banking on everything turning around next year and try to cash in then and maybe you maybe you can wind up with some impact players on cheaper deals than you would think, depending on on on how guys want to approach free agency this year, or maybe not. Maybe you're not gonna be able to sign anybody because you don't have any room. I don't know. I'm fascinated to

see it. Well, look at us, It's scenario time, boys and girls. So let's do this. Let's do this. Let's get specific, guys. Come on, let's get dirty. We've been I mean, spend two weeks and you know, Kyle almost started to fight with Isaiah. But so let's get into

some specifics here. So if we're just in cap Hell and we're at the point where we're like, look, we're just gonna start this whole train rode over and we're gonna reboot with some more guys than I say, everybody last named Smith boy June first is traded a cut. All right. Let you while you're thinking about whose last name is Smith, then I'll tell you anybody past ninety ninety seven, All right, any number past ninety seven, you know, trader cut. We gotta get rid of, get rid of

all of that. So basically, what you're doing is you're you're needing some you're needing some things on your defense, and that's where your draft and free agency is going to come in. Offensive line is still gonna be a problem for you because now you don't have a left tackle, so you're gonna have to get a guy there. And if you're telling me that you know the guy that we signed last year from Kansas City can come in and do it, then fine, all right, then we have

to stick with him. But you still have a problem at right tackle, and no one knows when Leo Collins is coming back with those moves. I think you're healthy. Cat wise, you're able to bring in better players, maybe even better, be able to get a good second string quarterback from somewhere that gives you confidence. I don't know to start the season, but otherwise, those are some of the things that you're going to have to do specifically

to turn this around ninety seven. When I when I keep we're here in ninety seven, I still think a taco I don't know, it's not it's not. It was a Driffin this year and he's so that's already done. And then it's above that, man Antoine Woods is above that. There you go. Yeah, so I see where Hack was going with it. But they're free agents. But they're free agents. Tyrode's a free agent, Antoine is restricted. I think I thought wasn't bad. I didn't think he was that bad

helping you at the one text spot. I don't know. Sorry, go ahead, But whether dan Quinn wants him or not, that's gonna be a whole nother thing. Like we're just kind of broad stroking this thing. I want to get specific. Let's get down and dirty. I hear you, Um, yeah,

I'm not too far off from where heck is. Man, I be honest with you, I'm gonna look at my entire roster, and I'm gonna say everybody who's under contract right now, if I picked up the phone and called all thirty two teams, how many teams would trade or if with any team's trade and pick up this guy's contract. And if if I have to debate and figure out whether or not somebody else will want to pay for the same services I'm paying for, you might want to

think about letting that person go. You might think about letting that person go. Um. And I think that's the situation that we're in right now. I mean you started talking about the last name Smith. If you picked up the phone right now and say, hey, you guys wanted his contract? Nah nah? Right, So so, I mean, obviously that's not all on the player. That's on some of that's just bad contractual agreements by by the organization. But

that's where I would start. That's where I would started, I was started, I would just pick apart my entire roster and figure out obviously this is what they're doing anyway, but I'll try figuring out who who has to be here, who do we absolutely need here, and who can who can we bring in possibly somebody else to do it the zact same road that they're doing and probably do

it for cheaper. You want to hear something that might surprise might be the most surprising thing I've said today on this show, which is going to be something interesting for you guys to hear. But I wouldn't mind having fifty four back next year. And I'm talking about Jaylen Smith. Now. There's two conditions here, though. One, like Rob said earlier, Dan Quinn's gonna have to figure out a way to use him. I think that's bar none. That's the most important thing that Dan Quinn has to figure out is

how the hell are we using Jalen Smith. How is he going to play next year? Is he going to be more of a pass rusher. Is he going to be somebody that's going to plug these gaps? Because right now he can't change direction and he can't necessarily plug a gap, so he's not physical enough to do that right now. I think you need to figure out a way to get Dan Quinn to fix Jaylen Smith. The second one is I wanted to restructure his contract and that would probably be the best way to do it.

But I if those two things happen, would not mind seeing Jalen Smith back into Cowboys uniform. But at this moment, I don't know if even one of those things are going to happen. I just look at it, like seven high, two million dollars, right if I'm looking at that curb. Yeah, but I mean you're you're hit. You're getting a dead money hit too if you do it. I mean it's not it's it's not massive. But I just look at

it like, Okay, you don't have Jalen Smith. That's another spot you go in the draft and you're like, Okay, who's who's playing whatever linebacker position. For me, I just think a more please, thank you. Yeah, he's he's a stud. But I'm just saying, I mean, we've talked. You can name any you can name a lot of positions on this team right now and say yeah, they can use that, even in the first round, and then make a linebacker

or another one. I guess that's what you'd have to do. Yeah, But this is all about trimming the fat, right, right,

This is all about trimming the fat. So I mean, yeah, even though you might create more voids, but you're you're shedding some you're shedding some weight, right and if if rich out you're ready for our spring and summer bodies that we need we got, we gotta share some fat, right and become in my wheelhouse right now talking about you know what, So even though yeah, it might create another problem for you, it might be it might be the first step to your resolution. And that's not just

that's just not just that position. That's at a lot of positions. Well, yeah, go ahead. Sorry, No, I was just gonna say, you know, if you watch the Super Bowl, man and you talk about linebacker play, Devin White, put everybody on notice and so if he is the where you start comparing your as your linebacker, then you have to start talking about Jalen Smith possibly moving to the mic linebacker and moving LV to the wheel because of

just coverage and all of that. But you're still in a situation when you talk about dan Quinn bringing into four three and starting to have those reminiscing about twenty eighteen with these two guys, I think they're far removed from that, and so I may agree, you know that, Look, you can bring it back if your restructure, but it may be time just to move on because dan Quinn may not be able to salvage anything. They've moved him from Mike to Will, They've they've put him at the

line of scrimmage. They've done a lot of different things. And you know, if you want to trust your eyes or look at film on him, as Jalen says, you know, the numbers are there. He's making a ton of tackles, but I don't think that that production correlates into difference maker on your defense, and that's what the Cowboys need. Hey,

don't forget. He's also been given it the title of cornerstone, right, and Cornerstone, yeah, are we are we sold on Layton vander Esh too, And while we're talking about linebackers, are we sold on what he brings to the table as a as a young linebacker? Is his health and issue? Are we seeing a decline already? Are we worried about fifty five moving forward? I mean not just fifty four, but Rob mentioned if fifty four goes, you're gonna have

to fill them with somebody. But same thing with Layton Vanderesh. How much of a hole is he potentially on that defense? Will be your option coming up? I like, I like LV, man, I don't I don't have to if you have to fight to put LB put it like this, if we had to compare to two, right, if we had compared to it, you're going to keep one. I think it's an easy it's an easy call for me to stick with Lvee. That's That's no shade that Jalen at all. I just I just like the way to he approaches

the game. And for me, that's a lot. Obviously, I don't know all the classroom stuff and all that other jazz that that all the intangible is that really matter? But I like the way that LV approaches the game. Now, obviously all both of those guys need to improve, just like every other player in this league. But I feel like it appears as if he's more willing to, uh, you know, to adapt, and more willing to absorb information

from coaches. Um, just when you just hear somebody, just when you hear them speak, right, Um, it's almost like Jay when Jalen speaks, it's almost like like, my stuff don't stink type type stuff. So it's like that's just from just from that alone, UM, I would go at LV if I had to pick betweenty two. I agree, I agree that with that, but also it's it's kind of funny how both of these guys came into the NFL with durability issues, with Laydon with the neck and

also Jalen with the drop foot and knee issues. So look at this point, and even back to what Peace said about the fifth year option, the durability issues of your defense are your linebackers has got to be addressed. You've got to get some young studs in here that can get the job done. I think dan Quinn realizes that he doesn't have that long of a timeline. We got rid of Mike Nolan on twelve months into the job.

So you know, there's not a lot of safety for these guys, so you gotta turn it around, especially when you talk about a historically bad defense and the linebacker played was so pits poor obviously with you know, bad defensive line player as well. Yeah, I'm I'm with the guys on it. I mean, I think I think he can play. I think he's he is a above average

linebacker when he's healthy. I don't want to make a direct comparison to Sean Lee, but that's kind of what Unfortunately, that's kind of way it's gone for him the last two years where I don't think he's been on the field enough to I don't know, find his rhythm, find you know, he just hasn't looked as comfortable overall as he did that rookie season when he was a pro bowler, And it's just unfortunately for him, it's just constantly been something.

Um But I think, I think there's a good player in there, and I think more importantly, there's a guy that really I think he has committed to being a good football player. It's just going to be a matter of health and so yeah, I mean, but he's got one year left on his rookie deal unless they pick up his option. I don't know what they're gonna do there. I would think they would, but he has had some injuries that you know, it's it's Raises dry brows the

last couple of years. Yeah, I mean the linebacker position, at least in my eyes, is the most unstable part of the Cowboys defense, even though I know there are worst parts of the Cowboys defense, talking about maybe the cornerbacks and maybe the defensive tackles, But in terms of the most unstable, it would take one injury, two injuries. We saw that last year to really up in the entire linebackers room, and I think it's something that needs to be addressed this offseason. I don't know how you

address it. I don't know if you just look for depth. I don't know if you just find a way. If you're Dan Quinn to figure things out. That's not my job, luckily. My job is to talk about it and ask about it. But we do have a We did have a trade in the division, and while we've got a couple of minutes left, wanted to get your thoughts on the trade.

Carson Wentz is no longer in the NFC East. He has been traded to the Indianapolis Colts for a conditional second round pick that could become a first round pick pretty much based on Carson Wentz health and then a third round pick plus Michael Pittman Junior, the Colts wide receiver who wore number eleven last year, was a rookie last year out of USC wide receiver, somebody Carson Wentz is going to be throwing the ball too, said no, you're not getting my number eleven. You are not wearing

my jersey number. Carson Wentz, you come in and you're just as new as the rest of us. So respect. My question is do you do you like the trade for the Eagles? Is it nice to have Carson Wentz out of the out of the division or is this a sad day for Cowboys fans that you won't have eleven throwing the ball to your team? And yes, I mean the Cowboys for any twice twice a year anymore? Well I'll go first, Eagles suck, and you know, I

absolutely love it. You know how backwards was that they take on a thirty three million, thirty four million dollar cap hit and they trade it Carson Wentz for a black and mile and a golf bag. It makes no sense. But at the same in the same breath, Um, you know, I'm not gonna miss him. I never thought he was any good at all in the comparison between he and dak As. I've always believed that dak was a better

quarterback and people know that as well. But you know, he's out of here, and unfortunately for those guys in his division, he'll be able to serve up those hot turnovers. And the wind sucks too. And you know, the Eagles are just gonna be in a situation where they're not gonna be able to bring in a bunch of talent because of that cap hit. And you know, when you talk about teams in the NFC East and you look at how bad things are for you, just look around. I mean, you can find a neighbor that is in

worse than shape. And the Eagles are in a bad place. And I can't wait to beat them twice this year. So do we move? Do we move? Mondays? I mean Fridays and Mondays now that we're only once a week that we're doing. I miss you guys. I miss you guys now. I think I Honestly, I think I think Wins needed a fresh start. I think how he's obviously been bad for for a little while now I think Nick Falls is better than him while while he had his time there, honestly, but I think he needs a

fresh start. Man. I don't think that he has a lack of talent. I think he actually has talent. I just think that he's he just mentally just couldn't get his together. So I think that Indianappa has actually got a pretty doug on good deal. Yeah, those guys, I mean, they stole him. So I think that if he has a I think if you have a resurgence and confidence um with the new way, and that happens with the new start, sometimes you you you remember who you were

at one point in time. I think that Indianappa has won the deal. And in Philly, yeah they got they got got, as we say in the hood. Yeah, I mean, I I feel like, based on it was a pretty small sample size of Jalen Hurts, but I think he's gonna be pretty good. I mean, watching him for whatever four starts, it was like, damn for a rookie, he's gonna be a problem. He's gonna be a problem and give credit to the Cowboys in December for kind of

keeping him in the pocket and making him uncomfortable. Yeah, and for a young player, that's tough. But I think I think he's gonna get better. And I you know, I know people were thinking, maybe, you know, Eagles could still draft quarterback in the first round. They could be

in play in the top ten to give competition. But I would look at drafting an alignment or a receiver or somebody to help him because I think, you know, yeah, I Wentz is out of the division, but I think there's a good chance that they build around him properly and he doesn't have, you know, all these injuries around him like Wins did. I think Jalen Hurts could be a really good quarterback in this division that you got to deal with for a while. A lot of people

don't believe that. I think you might be in the minority there and you think so disagree. Yeah, I think you might be. Now, I don't disagree with you, though. I think Jalen Hurts is a winner. He's proven that both at Oklahoma and at Alabama, and he got his way to the Philadelphia side of things and instantly provided a jolt to that offense. So we'll see if he ends up being the quarterback that ends up being the

future for Philadelphia. But right now you look at Carson Wentz and just say, hey, maybe now that he's out of the division, he can turn into the top notch prospect he supposed to be with Indianapolis, and I think that's what the Colts maybe looking for as well as a replacement for Philip Rivers. But that's going to do it for us here on talking Cowboys once again, one of it reminds you go on to the Dallas Cowboys

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